All Elite Wrestling

[Mazer]

my back was always turned. like his has always been turned on charisma

Did you even see the chair last night? Thar wax a fine custom chair.

I doubt any if us have sat in a folding chair of that caliber

[Badger]

La Parka vs Shawn Spears in a Chair vs Chair match.

[Badger]

One of my favourite parts of the show was Lambert cracking on Cody’s tattoo and fans took a moment from booing him to applauding it. Also his “I prefer Jim Cornette!” comeback to the Heyman burn from Brandi.

Also shame they had a minor misstep with the Malakai Black segment when they cut back too early and you could see him walking to the back.

[Sasori]

Every main event from the TNT era.

https://i.redd.it/it0jngld7m881.jpg

[Nash Diesel]

You should get that tatted on your body

[Badger]

Cody would probably put more of his moments on his neck if he were a giraffe.

[Nash Diesel]

I almost forgot Kenny Omega existed until I saw this. Poor guy.

[Badger]

I’m intrigued as to what they do with Omega upon his return from injury. Have him and his ego degenerate further and want revenge on Hangman or have him “see the light”, bin Callis for good and be face. I think either way he could pull it off.

[Sasori]

As banged up as Omega is, I'd be fine if he retired or at the very least worked a very part time schedule. His revelation about experiencing vertigo during matches is also concerning.

[Badger]

As banged up as Omega is, I'd be fine if he retired or at the very least worked a very part time schedule. His revelation about experiencing vertigo during matches is also concerning.

That’s a fair point. I hope he can continue and they can sort something part-time for him at least but if he can’t continue then also understandable.

[Donald]

I wonder if he experienced rear window during matches.

[Badger]

I wonder if he experienced rear window during matches.

Probably still better than trying to experience Windows 10.

[Donald]

What if by vertigo, while he was wrestling he got U2 - vertigo stuck in his head.

[Badger]

What if by vertigo, while he was wrestling he got U2 - vertigo stuck in his head.

And Elevation…

But maybe he should ask Christian for advice. Christian would probably say that he’s spinned U2 records in the past and is fine really.

[Donald]

The Edge and Christian

[Badger]

Adam Coleton….

Baybay!!!

[mth]

With Donald hating AEW and bored with WWE, it seems he still hasn't found what he's looking for...

[Badger]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mth again

[Donald]

It's a beautiful day, yes it is!

[Badger]

Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me….

Wait I mean I need to spread some Reputation around before giving it to Donald again. :shifty:

[Mazer]

Maybe a pic of blonde beard Braun with a lokidile will help


https://ewrestling.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_photo_1284x722/public/2021-12/01-braun-strowman-adam-scherr-new-look-blond-beard-2021.jpg?itok=WNCktfpD

[Donald]

Maybe a pic of blonde beard Braun with a lokidile will help


https://ewrestling.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_photo_1284x722/public/2021-12/01-braun-strowman-adam-scherr-new-look-blond-beard-2021.jpg?itok=WNCktfpD

It's like reverse Rusev

[Badger]

Why tamper with perfection? Sorry but Blond Strowman is not the same.

[Badger]

It's like reverse Rusev

Exception to the above rule: Rusev could pull it off but Braun….nah

[Bert]

Miro has a hamstring injury and that's why he hasn't did much other than the match with Bryan. That damn God. :shakefist:

[Badger]

Miro vs God on his return. God screwed Shawn but Miro won’t let the same happen to him.

[Donald]

When he got on a boat, and grabbed an oar, Lana asked him what he was doing. He replied "me row "

[Badger]

When he got on a boat, and grabbed an oar, Lana asked him what he was doing. He replied "me row "

When he got on a boat I hope he played this….


https://youtu.be/avaSdC0QOUM

[Murphy]

Jericho's pyro going off for the comeback run in was deffo lame. And was there a timing issue? Garcia and commentary seemed to be stalling to me. Would have made more sense for Jericho to appear before his buddy was taken out with the weapon. We'll see if that's where they go with Kingston being pissed.

WWE gets dicked on for camera cuts and I was paying particular attention to Jade and Thunder and it looked just the same to me?

JR lamenting heel Jade Cargill for sipping a bottle of water, yet super baby Adam Page was doing the same thing 10 minutes into his match with Danielson the other week. Made me chuckle a bit.

That main event and Chuck Taylor. Chuck gets criticised for his physique quite a bit, but for me, there was one of the 6 in that match with a worse physique than him and that's Adam Cole. He really should work on that.

Kyle O'Reilly is a terrible, terrible promo. I mean, he's clear, doesn't stumble over his words or anything. He's an overacter, basically. Perhaps trying too hard. Much like Ruby Soho, though she is better.

I tend to pick up on negative things, but I do enjoy AEW, honest. Nice to see JR back, but Taz is much better. :D

[Fanny Batter]

Kyle O'Reilly and Adam Cole is a big swing and miss for me. Their facials are some of the worst in wrestling.

[BGMaverick]

I can see how this sounds like sour grapes since she’s gone, but this honestly feels like perspective AEW desperately needs.
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/big-swole-explains-how-lack-diversity-and-structure-led-her-leaving-aew

Khan’s reply seems pretty stupid.

[Bert]

Sounds fine and accurate to me.

Swole just wants to magically make black people champions who aren't ready. She claims to care about other "people of color" but everyone knows that's all she's ever cared about.

Maybe if they get Keith Lee she'll get her wish, he should be a star instantly.

I could see Swerve as TNT champion.

They might give Jade the TBS title but she's so green I'd rather see it on Ruby so we can get good open challenge matches with people like Ember Moon who hopefully joins.

Diversity just for the sake of it is terrible and Swole claims to be against pandering but that's exactly what she wants. Her matches with Diamante sucked. Swole has charisma but can't wrestle.

[Donald]

Earlier this year Tony Khan said Swole was a great wrestler.

[Bert]

What president of a company is going to say yeah my employee sucks? I'm sure he would say Luther is a great wrestler too.

[Donald]

Maybe he should just keep his mouth shut and not say anything at all. He can wish people happy birthdays like Vince.

[Bert]

Eh when someone's talking out of their ass because they have a case of sour grapes about how they were used it's not crazy to call them out on their bullshit.

[Bert]

Lio Rush about to retire again.

[Supernovametalstar]

I can see how this sounds like sour grapes since she’s gone, but this honestly feels like perspective AEW desperately needs.
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/big-swole-explains-how-lack-diversity-and-structure-led-her-leaving-aew

Khan’s reply seems pretty stupid.

From my perspective, AEW has been pretty diverse from the beginning. Their first three womens' champions have either been asian or native american (transgender), half of the first tag champs was black, their current tag champs are Mexican, their most recent TNT champion is of hispanic origin, Jade Cargill is positioned to be the first TBS champion. Sonny Kiss got plenty of tv time last year (?), etc. Swole herself was featured prominently in her program with Britt Baker and Swole actually won that blowoff match. So her saying this seems...odd. Tony Khan never said Swole, as a black person, wasn't good enough as I've heard people saying. He said her "wrestling" wasn't good enough.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It's really about the optics and how Tony Khan made it a personal attack when what Swole said, incorrect or not, was very respectful. I get he was probably offended that it was implied he's racist, but it was still a really unprofessional move that doesn't really look great for the leader of a company. The fact he felt the need to back it up with examples of all the brown people he's pushed/employed is tone deaf, and he has a record of getting defensive when called out on anything.

I agree that diversity isn't nearly as much of an issue in AEW as some make it out. But I don't think Tony's response was really well thought-out and was emotional move that makes him come off like a dick.

[Mazer]

It's really about the optics and how Tony Khan made it a personal attack when what Swole said, incorrect or not, was very respectful. I get he was probably offended that it was implied he's racist, but it was still a really unprofessional move that doesn't really look great for the leader of a company. The fact he felt the need to back it up with examples of all the brown people he's pushed/employed is tone deaf, and he has a record of getting defensive when called out on anything.

I agree that diversity isn't nearly as much of an issue in AEW as some make it out. But I don't think Tony's response was really well thought-out and was emotional move that makes him come off like a dick.

Spot on here.

A simple statement regarding AEW's commitment to diversity and any significant achievements was all that was needed.

This is Tony's first foray beyond businesses is his father has had direct control of. One would expect some growing pains. He also might learn why most companies don't court social media drama.

[Bert]

It's really about the optics and how Tony Khan made it a personal attack when what Swole said, incorrect or not, was very respectful . I get he was probably offended that it was implied he's racist, but it was still a really unprofessional move that doesn't really look great for the leader of a company. The fact he felt the need to back it up with examples of all the brown people he's pushed/employed is tone deaf, and he has a record of getting defensive when called out on anything.

I agree that diversity isn't nearly as much of an issue in AEW as some make it out. But I don't think Tony's response was really well thought-out and was emotional move that makes him come off like a dick.

Dude, cmon. There's nothing respectful about the implication of racism and he has every right to call her out on how wrong she is. I will say he probably shouldn't have added she wasn't a good wrestler but I lol'd when I read it because we all already knew that.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Dude, cmon. There's nothing respectful about the implication of racism and he has every right to call her out on how wrong she is. I will say he probably shouldn't have added she wasn't a good wrestler but I lol'd when I read it because we all already knew that.

Have you actually read the article, though? She never said anything nearly as bad as the headline makes it out to be. Half of it wasn't even about race. She even said she had no problems with Tony Khan and wants the company to succeed. But everyone acts as if she said, "Tony Khan is a racist piece of shit."

What Mazer said is right. Acknowledging that the company doesn't have the diversity problem that's being projected is fine. But the reactionary tone is unprofessional.

[Mazer]

She didn't imply that he was a racist. She said they could do better.

Disagree or not, Tony took it to her as a performer.

From the interview -
"I believe that the company is making better strides than before, but a couple of things need to be fixed. You have to be able to call people out because not everything is perfect. I hope they listen to this with an open heart and not just, 'Ah, she's just saying this because of XYZ.' I genuinely want them to succeed.

[Bert]

You can't say a bunch of dumb shit and then try to be like no offense at the end and expect people not to reply.

[Psycho666Soldier]

A reply is one thing. The manner of response is another.

Big Swole said nothing offensive and no matter what her take, she said it respectfully. Tony did the opposite of that.

[Bert]

I disagree it was respectful. It's not respectful to accuse people of racism in any way. It's inherently disrespectful.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It's whatever, Lio Rush claims to have talked with him and claims everything is cool and I never thought Tony was racist or anything anyway. But there's no denying he didn't need to respond like that. It's basically the equivalent of a partner trying to tell you something that's been bothering them, and you saying, "Shut the fuck up, you're stupid." You can disagree respectfully, especially if the person bringing up their concerns are doing so respectfully.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I disagree it was respectful. It's not respectful to accuse people of racism in any way. It's inherently disrespectful.

That's not what she said, though. That's what it's being bastardized down into.

[Bert]

I read what she said. She wants more black people as main eventers, regardless of whether or not they're ready, and doesn't count other minorities as adding to diversity.

[Mazer]

Not everything someone says a company needs more diversity, are they accusing someone of being racist.

To say that a person can't state they would like to see more diversity, particularly as they are speaking about how their ethnicity is written...seems like quite a standard.



It's also interesting that the click bait analysis ignored that she also expressed that she'd like to see some changes in the way the women's division is handled.

[Mazer]

Also-she said



Big Swole on her podcast said that a lack of diversity and structure led to her and AEW mutually deciding to part ways.

On her Call In podcast (h/t Fightful), Swole discussed how the structure within the company seemed to be “a little off”, pointing out the lack of time for women and new talent coming in.

“I know fans of the company don't take criticism well sometimes. But know this, this is someone from the inside, the structure is a little off,” she said. “It's fine to be loose, but I like to have a little bit more structure. I felt like the women shouldn't have gone through everything they went through just to get on time. You're signed to this big company, you should get time. All these men are getting time, but the women aren't getting anything or you're not putting people on TV because more people are coming in. There are more people coming in, but you don't have enough product for all of these people.”

Swole also discussed what she felt was a lack of diversity, particularly within AEW’s hierarchy.

“I do not beat around the bush when it comes to diversity and my people,” she said. “There is no representation, truly, and when there is, it does not come across in the black community as genuine, at all. And I don't know why everybody is so afraid to accept it or say it, but it's not a good look. What happens is, you have this wonderful company that treats people like family, but there is nobody that looks like me that is represented at the top. They are not in the room with them. They’re not helping to necessarily influence decisions, but to explain why certain slang, why they are certain words that shouldn't be said. There is no one else who can explain our culture and experience except for us."

“I believe that [AEW] is making better strides than before, but a couple of things need to be fixed,” she later added. “You have to be able to call people out because not everything is not perfect. I hope they listen to this with an open heart and not just, 'Ah, she's just saying this because of XYZ.' I genuinely want them to succeed. I love art. I love to be creative and I love wrestling and I want it to succeed and I want the people in it to succeed if they are genuine people. I want WWE to succeed. I just want wrestling to flourish and I don't want it to be a long-forgotten, Tartarian sport where 'in the old days, we used to wrestle,' I want nothing but the best, but I also want the change and application to happen. With promises you made to be diverse, I want to see that. Not just with black people. I would love to see a dark-skinned Latina or Latino or Hispanic or just something, more Asians. I feel like Asians, Indians do not get love. They just don't. It's such a big gap. I hate the fact that I turn on the TV and it's the same stuff over and over again, like the Truman show. Hopefully, they get the message.”

[Bert]

You should proofread your posts.

Why dark skinned? What is this racist "white passing" nonsense that disregards the achievements of people like Dante Martin? Bowens and Caster aren't dark enough? Starks? Got to be Hobbs for it to count?

[Bert]

Proud n Powerful should be tag champs soon. Rosa will win the belt from Britt. But those don't count and only Jade possibly winning the belt does because she's "dark-skinned."

[Psycho666Soldier]

I don't disagree that what she said is inaccurate. Especially that last but, because I think the Hispanic representation in AEW has been one of the strongest representations in any American-based promotion that wasn't Lucha Underground.

But in the least, I don't see how you can see Tony Khan's tweet professional or good for PR. He didn't even have to respond because a lot of people know that Swole's take is wrong.

[Supernovametalstar]

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“I know fans of the company don't take criticism well sometimes. But know this, this is someone from the inside, the structure is a little off,” she said. “It's fine to be loose, but I like to have a little bit more structure. I felt like the women shouldn't have gone through everything they went through just to get on time. You're signed to this big company, you should get time. All these men are getting time, but the women aren't getting anything or you're not putting people on TV because more people are coming in. There are more people coming in, but you don't have enough product for all of these people.”

Swole also discussed what she felt was a lack of diversity, particularly within AEWÂ’s hierarchy.

“I do not beat around the bush when it comes to diversity and my people,” she said. “There is no representation, truly, and when there is, it does not come across in the black community as genuine, at all. And I don't know why everybody is so afraid to accept it or say it, but it's not a good look. What happens is, you have this wonderful company that treats people like family, but there is nobody that looks like me that is represented at the top. They are not in the room with them. They’re not helping to necessarily influence decisions, but to explain why certain slang, why they are certain words that shouldn't be said. There is no one else who can explain our culture and experience except for us."

“I believe that [AEW] is making better strides than before, but a couple of things need to be fixed,” she later added. “You have to be able to call people out because not everything is not perfect. I hope they listen to this with an open heart and not just, 'Ah, she's just saying this because of XYZ.' I genuinely want them to succeed. I love art. I love to be creative and I love wrestling and I want it to succeed and I want the people in it to succeed if they are genuine people. I want WWE to succeed. I just want wrestling to flourish and I don't want it to be a long-forgotten, Tartarian sport where 'in the old days, we used to wrestle,' I want nothing but the best, but I also want the change and application to happen. With promises you made to be diverse, I want to see that. Not just with black people. I would love to see a dark-skinned Latina or Latino or Hispanic or just something, more Asians. I feel like Asians, Indians do not get love. They just don't. It's such a big gap. I hate the fact that I turn on the TV and it's the same stuff over and over again, like the Truman show. Hopefully, they get the message.”

Okay, now I wasn't going to get real into this, but I feel like I have to say my peace. I emphasized some stuff in bold to make my points. First off, so, I'm guessing Brandi doesn't count? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the reasons people give her shit is because she's unapologetically "black". Like her code-switching statements she made last year, people gave her crap for it. But as a black man that "talks white" I can see where she was coming from with that. I mean, someone literally wanted me to do the Carlton dance one time or "go ghetto". I...was not...well, that's for another day. But what does "genuine" mean for the "black community"? Sorry to keep using quotes, and if I'm off base I'll hear people out. But what exactly is the black community and what is genuine to them? Far as I know, we're not homogonies.

Second, since when do the asian wrestlers not get attention? People like Cornette have shitted on the fact that AEW has prominently featured the Joshi wrestlers from the beginning. Suzuki, Ishi, and others from New Japan have had main events on the show. Wheeler Yuta was hyped up as a big deal. Unless I'm missing something, what more do you want? Not saying you shouldn't want to see people from all over get representation on tv, but they've done way more in that regard than the other company without making it stereotypical. Most of the time.

For the women specifically, I know people want two women's matches on tv, but people forget that women's wrestling is still pretty niche. If the story calls for it, I'm all for having more than one match on tv. But they also only have two shows on network tv, and from what I've seen, AEW does a pretty good job of having a niche match or segment on each show. Opener, tag, women, specialty or main event.

One final thing, and I won't rant on this further, but one of the things that people like about AEW is that it is a pretty loose atmosphere. Do you really want Tony Khan to micromanage everything like Vince does? Tear up scripts before showtime? Khan has storyline plans and from what I've seen doesn't deviate that much if he can help it.

Keep in mind, I actually liked what I saw from Big Swole when others were saying she was terrible. Most curious this whole situation.

[Mazer]

Okay, now I wasn't going to get real into this, but I feel like I have to say my peace. I emphasized some stuff in bold to make my points. First off, so, I'm guessing Brandi doesn't count? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the reasons people give her shit is because she's unapologetically "black". Like her code-switching statements she made last year, people gave her crap for it. But as a black man that "talks white" I can see where she was coming from with that. I mean, someone literally wanted me to do the Carlton dance one time or "go ghetto". I...was not...well, that's for another day. But what does "genuine" mean for the "black community"? Sorry to keep using quotes, and if I'm off base I'll hear people out. But what exactly is the black community and what is genuine to them? Far as I know, we're not homogonies.

Second, since when do the asian wrestlers not get attention? People like Cornette have shitted on the fact that AEW has prominently featured the Joshi wrestlers from the beginning. Suzuki, Ishi, and others from New Japan have had main events on the show. Wheeler Yuta was hyped up as a big deal. Unless I'm missing something, what more do you want? Not saying you shouldn't want to see people from all over get representation on tv, but they've done way more in that regard than the other company without making it stereotypical. Most of the time.

For the women specifically, I know people want two women's matches on tv, but people forget that women's wrestling is still pretty niche. If the story calls for it, I'm all for having more than one match on tv. But they also only have two shows on network tv, and from what I've seen, AEW does a pretty good job of having a niche match or segment on each show. Opener, tag, women, specialty or main event.

One final thing, and I won't rant on this further, but one of the things that people like about AEW is that it is a pretty loose atmosphere. Do you really want Tony Khan to micromanage everything like Vince does? Tear up scripts before showtime? Khan has storyline plans and from what I've seen doesn't deviate that much if he can help it.

Keep in mind, I actually liked what I saw from Big Swole when others were saying she was terrible. Most curious this whole situation.


You make a lot of good points.

I posted because Bert was saying that she said things that she didn't

[Bert]

Where?

[Mazer]

You should proofread your posts.

Why dark skinned? What is this racist "white passing" nonsense that disregards the achievements of people like Dante Martin? Bowens and Caster aren't dark enough? Starks? Got to be Hobbs for it to count?

You should keep a consistent story. First you're mad because you think she implied Tony Kahn was a racist. Now you're mad that she.....didn't also include enough light-skinned people (even though she referenced Latinos and Dark-skinned Latin0s-separately).

First, you said she said that she didn't count other minorities. She specifically mentioned separate groups. Dark-skinned latinos were just one of the groups. She also said that they were making progress, but wanted to see more. She did speak at points at her perspective as a Black person in particular:


“I do not beat around the bush when it comes to diversity and my people,” she said. “There is no representation, truly, and when there is, it does not come across in the black community as genuine, at all. And I don't know why everybody is so afraid to accept it or say it, but it's not a good look. What happens is, you have this wonderful company that treats people like family, but there is nobody that looks like me that is represented at the top. They are not in the room with them. They’re not helping to necessarily influence decisions, but to explain why certain slang, why they are certain words that shouldn't be said. There is no one else who can explain our culture and experience except for us


Do you find that statement offensive? Is that something someone is not allowed to think?


Her entire comments were part of long dialogue. My copy and paste earlier wasn't the extent of it.

[Mazer]

I read what she said. She wants more black people as main eventers, regardless of whether or not they're ready, and doesn't count other minorities as adding to diversity.

This would be one example.

[Bert]

Swole has been a broken record for months. She contradicts herself in her own podcast or whatever it is. She complains about pandering and at the same time wants more of it.

[Nash Diesel]

How many threads do we have to read from white as vanilla frosting Proud Boy supporting Bert tell black people what's good enough for them?

Tony Khan would've done himself a favor by sitting this one out BUT if he didn't address it then people would still come at him so it's a lose-lose situation.

The reality is, there isn't much diversity in AEW but there isn't that much diversity in pro wrestling as well. But I mean, AEW did make a transgender their women's champion and their first tag-team champions were SCU-which contains a black dude.

[Mazer]

Swole has been a broken record for months. She contradicts herself in her own podcast or whatever it is. She complains about pandering and at the same time wants more of it.

Where do you see the contradiction?

Because it does seem a lot if what you based your assertions on were taken out of context.

[Nash Diesel]

See, to Bert it's pandering. That's the disconnect. Bert is from a time where everyone was given a trophy for simply showing up to field day and he was raised by people who told him racism was a myth. A hip hop head who hates the message. Weird right? Like those Republicans who were blasting Rage Against The Machine.

Bert probably wish Tom Morello would stick to rock music and stay out of politics.

[Tainted Eclipse]

The reality is, there isn't much diversity in AEW but there isn't that much diversity in pro wrestling as well.

their tag team champions, pushed as among the biggest stars in the company, don't even speak english lol.

[Nash Diesel]

their tag team champions, pushed as among the biggest stars in the company, don't even speak english lol.

Shows how little you pay attention. Fenix speaks English 99% of the time. Penta, not so much. I'm not even sure what your point is.

Another idiot who likes to tell people of color what is good enough. We're just missing 1 more idiot, let's hope they've learned.

[Nash Diesel]

I like when people say there's a lack of diversity and they're still pointing out the lack of diversity. Oh wow, Lucha Bros have been tag-team champions for a month or two looks like All Elite Whites is ok. Remember how some of you defend the Proud Boys by talking about how they made a Latino their leader after the fact? Kind of the same thing. I mean, even nowadays if you're HIspanic you don't even get that as an option. You're basically white now as well it's weird.

[Nash Diesel]

Props to AEW though. Black History Month rolls around they didn't push any black folks, they didn't have any of them win a match, they didn't do any month long shout out to the people of color not just in wrestling but in general that made a difference.

[Bert]

I hope The Briscoes show up soon. I want that FTR match.

[Supernovametalstar]

One thing I wanted to mention is that when AEW has a street fight or some other match of that sort (Lights Out, Parking Lot Brawl, etc), you know you're going to get a hell of a fight. Conti, Anna Jay, Penelope Ford, and the Blood Bunny, as I now call her, put on a hell of a show and that should have been the main event. A little tidbit that I noticed a few months back watching some of the blogs Bunny does, is that she'll be all happy and nice with everyone, munching on Oreos, but if Tay or Anna are in the background, or walking by she'll switch to "fuck you bitch, I hate you," then be back to normal. I forgot what initially started their blood feud, but it's a small detail, yet still great.

[VHS]

TK really needs to keep those explanation tweets to himself. This Big Swole thing is so facepalm.

[virms]

I like when people say there's a lack of diversity and they're still pointing out the lack of diversity. Oh wow, Lucha Bros have been tag-team champions for a month or two looks like All Elite Whites is ok. Remember how some of you defend the Proud Boys by talking about how they made a Latino their leader after the fact? Kind of the same thing. I mean, even nowadays if you're HIspanic you don't even get that as an option. You're basically white now as well it's weird.

It's all the Mexican restaurants.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/i4oJ96l.jpeg

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/h1ell0a.jpeg

[Matthew]

looks like a shitty alberto del rio

[Nash Diesel]

Nice. I was becoming a fan of Jake Atlas in NXT. He wasn't doing much but he had potential.

[VHS]

Yeah, happy to see him there. He was contemplating leaving wrestling altogether, but looks like he's got things in order. :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

If you're getting paid 6 figures you start to second guess whatever venture you had in mind outside of wrestling pretty fast.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/iYOzvysTO-k

[mth]

:yes: Glad to see Atlas get signed. Was digging him in NXT and was bummed he was let go and yeah, he was talking about taking time away but it seems he's got his passion back, so that's cool.

Forgot to comment on it earlier, as well, but also stoked about Mercedes Martinez. Big fan.

I want AEW to sign Max the Impaler now that ROH isn't a thing...

[Bert]

There's way better women's wrestlers they should consider instead. They also already have Abadon.

[mth]

Fun fact: you can have more than one spooky monster wrestler. Also, they could be a team.
Also, Max rules. Watch this match:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl5xUujK4zI

[Bert]

I'd rather see Abadon in House of Black. I was unimpressed from the ROH match.

[Bert]

I just want to see The Briscoes and Danhausen come over from ROH.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/tat1Y-LIdyU

Cody comes in at 12mins.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/OvK5N3vgISo

[Nash Diesel]

There's way better women's wrestlers they should consider instead. They also already have Abadon.

You say that but AEW seems to really not want to have good women's wrestling whatsoever. The only good women's match they've ever had was the hardcore match with Thunder Rosa v. Britt Baker and even that was probably a 4/10 in comparison to the majority of matches just in NXT over the last year or 2.

They just signed Mercedes Martinez.....She's basically Kurt Angle in comparison to everyone else but outside of AEW she's about Brie Bella level.

[Bert]

You say that but AEW seems to really not want to have good women's wrestling whatsoever. The only good women's match they've ever had was the hardcore match with Thunder Rosa v. Britt Baker and even that was probably a 4/10 in comparison to the majority of matches just in NXT over the last year or 2.

They just signed Mercedes Martinez.....She's basically Kurt Angle in comparison to everyone else but outside of AEW she's about Brie Bella level.

You don't think Shida or Deeb are good?

[VHS]

You say that but AEW seems to really not want to have good women's wrestling whatsoever. The only good women's match they've ever had was the hardcore match with Thunder Rosa v. Britt Baker and even that was probably a 4/10 in comparison to the majority of matches just in NXT over the last year or 2.

They just signed Mercedes Martinez.....She's basically Kurt Angle in comparison to everyone else but outside of AEW she's about Brie Bella level.

Starting the day off strong, aren't we homeboy? AEW's women's roster is so much better than NXT's right now though. Saying AEW doesn't want good women's wrestling doesn't pass the sniff test.

[Bert]

I liked the TayJay vs SuperbadBunny hardcore match on Rampage.

[Nash Diesel]

You don't think Shida or Deeb are good?

Not really. Discussing with an AEW super mark lame like you on what is good/bad in AEW is pointless. If they had better competition in AEW they would probably have better matches. Funny thing is, the only time they've ever had a watchable match in AEW was against each other.




Starting the day off strong, aren't we homeboy? AEW's women's roster is so much better than NXT's right now though. Saying AEW doesn't want good women's wrestling doesn't pass the sniff test.

You constantly trying to get my personal information doesn't pass the sniff test. Shocked you haven't sent me a private message yet today asking for my Instagram like a fucking weirdo.

And no, AEW's women's roster isn't "so much better" than NXT's right now when NXT has Io Shirai who is lightyears better than the entire AEW women's roster combined x2.

[Nash Diesel]

I liked the TayJay vs SuperbadBunny hardcore match on Rampage.

The only women's matches I can see you saying aren't good would be any including Nyla Rose.

[Bert]

I don't like Riho either.

I hope Ruby wins the TBS title tonight because I don't want to watch Jade, a green girl, squash people every week.

[Tyrone]

I switch the channel any time Jade's in the ring. Just not a pretty sight watching a developmental-type project being pushed as she is.

[Bert]

AEW Beach Break will be Jan 26th in Cleveland, Ohio. Johnny Gargano's home town.

[Nash Diesel]

Jade Cargill is probably the only female in that entire company who has any upside. Everyone else is just terrible and/or vanilla. The worst is no doubt Red Velvet. I'd rather see Brandi Rhodes pretend she's black than see Red Velvet ever again.

[Bert]

She does a great job pretending, looks the part and everything.

I hope Regal comes to AEW.

[VHS]

Regal would be immense in AEW :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

She does a great job pretending, looks the part and everything.

I hope Regal comes to AEW.

That's the job, pretend to look the part and everything. Nobody believes Adam Cole could beat anyone in a real fight, but I bet you people think Jade could beat his ass in a real fight.

[Bert]

I wonder if there's a non-compete for coaches.

[Bert]

That's the job, pretend to look the part and everything. Nobody believes Adam Cole could beat anyone in a real fight, but I bet you people think Jade could beat his ass in a real fight.

What does that have to do with skin color?

[Nash Diesel]

If Regal comes to AEW it'll just be another veteran nobody but maybe Danielson will give a shit about. They'll pair him up with Danielson, because everyone needs a senior citizen when they wrestle apparently. By March he'll have already pissed on his legacy.

[Bert]

Or he could be like Malenko or Jerry Lynn and be involved with planning matches.

[Nash Diesel]

What does that have to do with skin color?

Who brought up skin color?


Or he could be like Malenko or Jerry Lynn and be involved with planning matches.

He should REPLACE them. Has he had any say in putting matches together in NXT? They have like 100 trainers I have no clue who is there actually contributing and who's just there as a friend.

[VHS]

Who brought up skin color?

You did, genius.


Jade Cargill is probably the only female in that entire company who has any upside. Everyone else is just terrible and/or vanilla. The worst is no doubt Red Velvet. I'd rather see Brandi Rhodes pretend she's black than see Red Velvet ever again.

:lol:

[Nash Diesel]

You did, genius.



:lol:

Hey genius....Take Bert's Trump piece out your mouth and go back and read the post he quoted.....

Hey look everyone it's VHS....Ok we cared now go back to your dungeon with Charles S Dutton.

[Bert]

Hey genius....Take Bert's Trump piece out your mouth and go back and read the post he quoted.....

Hey look everyone it's VHS....Ok we cared now go back to your dungeon with Charles S Dutton.

And then look at the post you quoted.

[Nash Diesel]

And then look at the post you quoted.

It's not on me to make sure you quote the right posts that I make. Don't worry about race, we all know, including VHS' dumbass, how you feel about race.

[Bert]

I quoted the right post. I quoted the post of you replying to my post. I'm not sure what other post I was supposed to quote.

That felt very Dr. Seuss to write.

[Nash Diesel]

I quoted the right post. I quoted the post of you replying to my post. I'm not sure what other post I was supposed to quote.

That felt very Dr. Seuss to write.

No...you quoted the post I made about Jade Cargill kicking Adam Cole's ass. Post #10100. You didn't quote my comment about Brandi Rhodes.

I get that you think you found an ally in VHS....Just remember, he's just as fake up here as he is in the Asylum.

[kdestiny]

Danielson/Hangman will open the show tonight.

[VHS]

Rajah Discord tonight eyyy!

https://discord.gg/7H2HHRpT

[Nash Diesel]

Once again rooting for Danielson but I wouldn't be shocked if Page gives BD his first L.

[Matthew]

poor fenix's arm

[Bert]

Reys arm is fucked and it really felt like that messed up something that was supposed to happen with Lucha Bros getting beat up by Malakai and Brody King. The lights even went off for no reason.

[Supernovametalstar]

Reys arm is fucked and it really felt like that messed up something that was supposed to happen with Lucha Bros getting beat up by Malakai and Brody King. The lights even went off for no reason.

Christ almighty, I hope Fenix is okay. Of all the things that can go wrong with a table spot, that is one thing I never thought of. Jesus.

[VHS]

Just watched the main event. Ay yay yay. Ay yay yay, what happened with Fenix was bad. Ugh, I hope he's comfortable as fuck right now and he has a good recovery. Ugh :(

[Badger]

Fuckin nasty. It seemed to me he shouldn’t have stuck his arm out.

Hope he gets well soon.

[Nash Diesel]

I was enjoying reading 2 people last night go back and forth on another forum about how they felt Jade Cargill only won because of the Big Swole situation...and then the other person pointed out well they had Jade win but then put the tag belts on 2 white dudes lol. I should've checked him and said that actually one of them was half dino so that's diverse as fuck lol.

Why the fuck did Fenix put his arm down? Luchasaurus getting a lot of hate online for that spot but it was Fenix's stupid ass. Fenix is one of my absolute favorites in wrestling to watch but to me it seems he is always getting hurt. Luchadores are usually pretty reckless as it is but damn it just feels like he gets hurt quite a bit.

Danielson..............They really want Adam Page to be something and in that little bubble he probably is but for me it feels like it's going to lead to Page v. Omega again with Omega winning the title back.

[kdestiny]

Nah, feels like the entire tournament was meant for Jade to win.

[Badger]

Fair enough Page gets a decisive win to make him strong but I would’ve had Danielson kick out of a Buckshot first since Page had kicked out the knee so then he has to hit it again. Kind took away from the match a little for me because up until then the little nods to the first match were great.

[Morrison]

Fair enough Page gets a decisive win to make him strong but I would’ve had Danielson kick out of a Buckshot first since Page had kicked out the knee so then he has to hit it again. Kind took away from the match a little for me because up until then the little nods to the first match were great.

the whole story coming out of the first match was that page pretty much had the match won with the buckshot but didn't have the three seconds to spare for a pinfall.

[Badger]

the whole story coming out of the first match was that page pretty much had the match won with the buckshot but didn't have the three seconds to spare for a pinfall.

Understand that, but I felt they could’ve added to the suspense a little more by having Hangman get even more frustrated. They could’ve had him hit a double Buckshot (one from each side) to still finish it off with plenty time left.

The match was still great but felt there was still a bit more mileage and story left.

[Nash Diesel]

We're basically all forcing ourselves to believe Adam Page is a "World" champion level player. I don't know if I'm buying it. And I'm a fan of Adam Page-I'm just not sure if I'm a fan of main event Adam Page. Kind of the same struggle I'm having with seeing guys in other promotions as top tier players despite not really being on the same level as everyone else.

[Supernovametalstar]

Fair enough Page gets a decisive win to make him strong but I wouldÂ’ve had Danielson kick out of a Buckshot first since Page had kicked out the knee so then he has to hit it again. Kind took away from the match a little for me because up until then the little nods to the first match were great.

I might be putting my own spin on it, but from JR's commentary, it sounded as if they're trying to really protect the Buckshot Lariat as a one and done finisher. Myself, I'm all for that. Especially when you have guys that can make it look even more devastating. There shouldn't be mulitple V-Triggers, Superkicks, or Superman punches unless they're trying to establish that a guy is ultra tough. Speaking of, I think the Orange Punch has been pretty protected, as has others. And if Hangman eventually goes up against Omega again, it'll look even better.

Before the situation, people were saying Jade as going to win for weeks. The fact that there was some logical kafabe reasons why it could have gone to someone else is great in terms of building the other women in the division. Until the Mercedes interference FROM OUTTA NOWHERE, I thought they were going to go with Thunder Rosa and Ruby since this is supposed to be the workhorse title and you already have a heel champ in Britt. Then have Jade go on a tear to get revenge for losing "her title" that she was destined for (and get more match experience in the process). But, we'll see how it goes this way. I mean, whoever does topple the unstoppable monster will get a huge feather in their cap.

Going back to the tag match and that awful table incident, why would people be giving Luchasaurus a hard time about it? I could be completely wrong, but from every table spot I've seen, the person going through the table will bring their limbs inside. I'm not saying Fenix was at fault either, because that looked instinctual, trying to brace for the fall.

On a lighter note, Punk saying MJF can headline night four of a buy one get one special attraction had me legit laughing out loud. It seemed people at first didn't know what to make of him attacking a fellow Chicagoan, but it was all made clear that it was to ruin MJF's 2022 record from the get go. Good stuff. Now we'll see if Wardlow'll get a few powerbombs in on Punk. I'd say he gets one. Hell, they might do a swerve and he destroys Punk (although I can't imagine he'd take multiple ones like we've seen from other opponents) and Punk suffers his first loss. And interesting way to make a "loser's" feud.

[Nash Diesel]

I might be putting my own spin on it, but from JR's commentary, it sounded as if they're trying to really protect the Buckshot Lariat as a one and done finisher. Myself, I'm all for that. Especially when you have guys that can make it look even more devastating. There shouldn't be mulitple V-Triggers, Superkicks, or Superman punches unless they're trying to establish that a guy is ultra tough. Speaking of, I think the Orange Punch has been pretty protected, as has others. And if Hangman eventually goes up against Omega again, it'll look even better.

Before the situation, people were saying Jade as going to win for weeks. The fact that there was some logical kafabe reasons why it could have gone to someone else is great in terms of building the other women in the division. Until the Mercedes interference FROM OUTTA NOWHERE, I thought they were going to go with Thunder Rosa and Ruby since this is supposed to be the workhorse title and you already have a heel champ in Britt. Then have Jade go on a tear to get revenge for losing "her title" that she was destined for (and get more match experience in the process). But, we'll see how it goes this way. I mean, whoever does topple the unstoppable monster will get a huge feather in their cap.

Going back to the tag match and that awful table incident, why would people be giving Luchasaurus a hard time about it? I could be completely wrong, but from every table spot I've seen, the person going through the table will bring their limbs inside. I'm not saying Fenix was at fault either, because that looked instinctual, trying to brace for the fall.

On a lighter note, Punk saying MJF can headline night four of a buy one get one special attraction had me legit laughing out loud. It seemed people at first didn't know what to make of him attacking a fellow Chicagoan, but it was all made clear that it was to ruin MJF's 2022 record from the get go. Good stuff. Now we'll see if Wardlow'll get a few powerbombs in on Punk. I'd say he gets one. Hell, they might do a swerve and he destroys Punk (although I can't imagine he'd take multiple ones like we've seen from other opponents) and Punk suffers his first loss. And interesting way to make a "loser's" feud.

I'm curious where you're getting that from. For one it's laughable when you think about how subpar the women's division in AEW is in general so hearing you say it was supposed to be the WORKHORSE title is comical. Especially when nobody ever said that. I guess the implication is that all secondary titles=workhorse title? Then why the fuck did Santino hold the IC title for like 8 months? He sucked. Or why did Honky Tonk Man hold the IC title for a year? He sucked too.

Even in WCW, the TV title was never the workhorse title. Neither was the US. It just depends on who has it. When Hacksaw Duggan was US champion or when Disco Inferno was TV champ I didn't think wow, there's a Ricky Steamboat if I've ever seen one.

[Bert]

TNT title is seen as a workhorse title so people thought the TBS title might be too.

[Nash Diesel]

TNT title is seen as a workhorse title so people thought the TBS title might be too.

I don't think some of you younger fans know what the term "workhorse" means. And some of the champions as well. They think going 20 with Sonny Kiss=workhorse. No. That's a waste of time.

[Bert]

Did Sonny Kiss have a TNT title match? I don't remember. Cody's matches for his 1st reign and Sammy's seemed to be of the workhorse variety though. Brodies and definitely Miros were more squashes like I think we'll see with Jade.

I felt happy for her when she won though. I'm surprised she didn't cry but at least she kept up the heel persona.

I hope they don't just give the TNT title right back to Sammy. Seems boring. I don't feel like they will though because Cody acted like this reign was going to be something new and unexpected.

[Tyrone]

A Sonny Kiss mention. There's a name I feel like hasn't been brought up in a year.

[VHS]

Fenix with a dislocated elbow. Still serious, but thank god not a broken arm. How he escaped that with no fractures is a goddamn miracle.

[Nash Diesel]

Did Sonny Kiss have a TNT title match? I don't remember. Cody's matches for his 1st reign and Sammy's seemed to be of the workhorse variety though. Brodies and definitely Miros were more squashes like I think we'll see with Jade.

I felt happy for her when she won though. I'm surprised she didn't cry but at least she kept up the heel persona.

I hope they don't just give the TNT title right back to Sammy. Seems boring. I don't feel like they will though because Cody acted like this reign was going to be something new and unexpected.

Cody v. Sonny Kiss Fight for the Fallen 2020. This was one of the first times I started to notice there is way too much 50/50 offense in AEW matches especially with Cody.

[Sasori]

Fair enough Page gets a decisive win to make him strong but I would’ve had Danielson kick out of a Buckshot first since Page had kicked out the knee so then he has to hit it again. Kind took away from the match a little for me because up until then the little nods to the first match were great.

It took Brian several seconds to cover Page after the knee, but Page covered Brian immediately after the Lariat. You could say those few seconds are what allowed Page to kick out.

[Bert]

Bryan is with a Y.

[Supernovametalstar]

I'm curious where you're getting that from. For one it's laughable when you think about how subpar the women's division in AEW is in general so hearing you say it was supposed to be the WORKHORSE title is comical. Especially when nobody ever said that. I guess the implication is that all secondary titles=workhorse title? Then why the fuck did Santino hold the IC title for like 8 months? He sucked. Or why did Honky Tonk Man hold the IC title for a year? He sucked too.

Even in WCW, the TV title was never the workhorse title. Neither was the US. It just depends on who has it. When Hacksaw Duggan was US champion or when Disco Inferno was TV champ I didn't think wow, there's a Ricky Steamboat if I've ever seen one.

I wouldn't say the women's division is subpar, but that's for another time. Me saying "supposed" is my supposition. Given that you can't, or rather don't put Britt in a wrestling match all the time (as they shouldn't, since you need to make her and the title special), why introduce another title if it isn't supposed to get featured on a more regular basis? Not saying the TBS title has to be an open challenge every week, but I expect you'd have people specifically in matches where the idea to get over is that they're working to get that title shot. While the AEW Women's title is reserved for either special shows or ppvs. Maybe have it where TBS is for declared shots, while the AEW is only for ranked competitors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall the TNT title having significant show appearances. So, if the TBS one is going to be the women's equivalent, then I would expect the same thing.

Yes, Sonny Kiss and Cody had a TNT title match, and I recall it was a pretty good one. I think he even had to do two Crossroads to put him away.

[Bert]

Full Cody interview.

https://youtu.be/WqnmmiF6VWE

[Nash Diesel]

I wouldn't say the women's division is subpar, but that's for another time. Me saying "supposed" is my supposition. Given that you can't, or rather don't put Britt in a wrestling match all the time (as they shouldn't, since you need to make her and the title special), why introduce another title if it isn't supposed to get featured on a more regular basis? Not saying the TBS title has to be an open challenge every week, but I expect you'd have people specifically in matches where the idea to get over is that they're working to get that title shot. While the AEW Women's title is reserved for either special shows or ppvs. Maybe have it where TBS is for declared shots, while the AEW is only for ranked competitors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall the TNT title having significant show appearances. So, if the TBS one is going to be the women's equivalent, then I would expect the same thing.

Yes, Sonny Kiss and Cody had a TNT title match, and I recall it was a pretty good one. I think he even had to do two Crossroads to put him away.

We'll start off with the bold. The fact it maybe took 2 Crossroads to beat a jobber is why it was not a pretty good one. If it takes the same energy to beat Sonny Kiss as it does Brodie Lee, there's something seriously wrong with the booking.

The workhorse term is not being used properly. Being featured every week doesn't mean you're a workhorse. The TV title was featured every week, but I wouldn't call Miro a workhorse.

And what you're suggesting about the TBS title is pretty much how the TNT title is also used. Rankings don't matter as it was pointed out to me when I was questioning how guys like Diego Del Jabroni could get a title shot with only 1 win out of 27 or how new people just show up and automatically jump the line.

Jade Cargill is someone who shines and in AEW they need that. They don't have a good women's roster. The best women they have can barely have a good match against each other so we're fucked for awhile. Not renewing Big Swole's contract was a step in the right direction.

[Bert]

I just want Jade to get better so she can have open challenges with good wrestlers like Ember Moon, Mia Yim, and Toni Storm instead of just squashing like Madi Wrenkowksi or whoever. Maybe some ROH ones too, I'm not that familiar with their roster.

[Nash Diesel]

I just want Jade to get better so she can have open challenges with good wrestlers like Ember Moon, Mia Yim, and Toni Storm instead of just squashing like Madi Wrenkowksi or whoever. Maybe some ROH ones too, I'm not that familiar with their roster.

Well none of those women you mentioned are good wrestlers so you're fucked.

Jade's only chance at truly evolving will be working the loop with Thunder Rosa...oh wait, AEW doesn't do anything but TV and youtube so she's fucked.

Honestly I don't think she's that bad in comparison to everyone else in AEW. Literally EVERYONE else, men included. She's easily a top 25 performer in AEW.

[Bert]

Hyberbole is fun.

[Nash Diesel]

Hyberbole is fun.

You should know by now you and I have a very different approach toward AEW. Jade Cargill=Top 25 in AEW. I'm not saying #25 either.

I mean, you're the type who praises Jon Silver. I thought that was another one of those Hook jokes.

[Bert]

1.01 million
.43 18-49 demo

[Nash Diesel]

If you talk about the demo you probably have a blowup doll life.

[Bert]

Advertisers care.

[Nash Diesel]

Advertisers care.

Are you an advertiser or are you just a parakeet of Jericho and Tony Khan? I'm going with parakeet because you have no original thoughts and your original thoughts are either forged in racism or homophobia so yeah....

[Bert]

You're so dumb.

[Bert]

https://projects.theplayerstribune.com/aew-dynamite-behind-the-scenes/p/1

What happened to Paul Wight?

[VHS]

God those photos are dope.

[mth]

Rey Fenix said he's got no broken bones, so that's good. Would have to think a few other things got fucked up, though.

[Bert]

I've got deja vu because I'm really really hoping Samoa Joe goes to AEW, even if it's not to wrestle and to be on commentary.

[mth]

Joe is great in the booth. :yes:

[Sinner]

If MJF hits Wardlow, causing him to win by DQ vs. CM Punk...that would be cool.

Wardlow would be mad, MJF would be like "but you won?", CM Punk would be pissed at MJF, too.

I'm available to be hired, AEW

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Rajah Discord tonight eyyy!


The more things change......

[Bert]

Sounds like Cody has covid.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/8tv4q5d.jpeg

About my previous post. AEW Twitter said a change for battle of the belts will be announced on Rampage. Britt and Riho have a tag match at Rampage and Sammy and Tay Conti have been out on Instagram stories. Cody however posted to his story that people should get vaccinated.

[Nash Diesel]

So does he have it or is he just bringing awareness since we've seen the biggest spike in positive cases?

[Bert]

Well there's only 2 title matches for battle of the belts and 3/4 people seem fine.

[BigAl]

Really enjoyed the Danielson/Page match, the MJF/Punk promo, and the tag championship match. Everything else didn't really do anything for me but I still thought it was a great episode. Wardlow/Punk next week should be interesting.

Nasty injury on Fenix, I hope he's ok. I read it's wasn't broken so hopefully if it was just dislocated he'll be back on his feet before too long as they go into a feud with Black and, I assume, Brody King. From what I've seen of King on Youtube over the past week or so I'm intrigued to see him debut.

[Nash Diesel]

Brody King is a lot like Black. 7/10 in the ring, 2/10 on the mic, but 10/10 when it comes to look. I'm all about Brody King.

[BGMaverick]

Danielson easily could have rested on the paycheck by leading Yes! chants, but he’s continuing to earn incredible stripes by churning out bangers in AEW. That was a lot of blood for that match lol. Probably unnecessary but oh well. Will be interesting to see where the two guys go from here.

Punk and MJF are still boiling at a great rate. It seemed obvious that MJF’s delivery at the end was a setup for Punk and Wardlow. That coordinates well enough to finally kick off the turn for Wardlow. Imagine Punk or Spears causes the loss for Wardlow and then he snaps.

Chuckled hard as JR waxed about how Jade doesn’t live on the top rope as she decided to deliver a strike off the top rope. Jade has an incredibly majestic and great look but she’s not ready for this spot. Now she’s going to have to do more, develop on the fly, and defend on a fairly regular basis. I don’t think that’s a good combo.

Ugly spot for Fenix. Hope he has a smooth and speedy recovery.

[Nash Diesel]

I find it odd to assume Danielson wasn't having bangers up until he left WWE last year. The only difference I see is blood. He main evented WM and had match of the night but yes, he was just resting on a paycheck. Like Tony Khan is paying him peanuts. This motherfucker is getting that Jon Moxley money-the highest paid wrestler of 2020, more than Roman Reigns and Seth.

The weird narrative that Tony Khan is apparently poor or can't match Vince's money is laughable. He's said it himself, he has more money than Vince and he's living our dream. If I had his money I would've done the same thing if I were approached by the top underground talent.

[Nash Diesel]

https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/827/636/jake_crop_north.jpg?1344284539&w=3072&h=2048

[VHS]

Danielson easily could have rested on the paycheck by leading Yes! chants, but he’s continuing to earn incredible stripes by churning out bangers in AEW. That was a lot of blood for that match lol. Probably unnecessary but oh well. Will be interesting to see where the two guys go from here.


It is refreshing to see him without the familiar constraints. It's like having the WWE filter on OFF makes it a more soothing digest.

[Dreyski]

It occurred to me when watching the match - when was the last time Danielson bled?

[BGMaverick]

It is refreshing to see him without the familiar constraints. It's like having the WWE filter on OFF makes it a more soothing digest.

He had extremely great matches in WWE, even until the very end, to be clear. You can just tell he’s pushing himself and trying some different stuff and is allowed to do so. The latter point is probably the most refreshing component.

[VHS]

He had extremely great matches in WWE, even until the very end, to be clear. You can just tell he’s pushing himself and trying some different stuff and is allowed to do so. The latter point is probably the most refreshing component.

No doubt he was. The comparison between his WWE stuff and AEW is still all the more apparent... he looks happily unleashed.

[Dreyski]

https://i.imgur.com/8tv4q5d.jpeg


I don't know about a square head, but to me he looks like a fat Matt Jackson.

[JuveLeo]

I missed Dynamite but heard Jurassic Express won the tag titles. Happy Jungle Boy finally got some gold.

[Bert]

I love Ricky Starks but if they replaced him on commentary with Joe...

[Bert]

Dustin vs Sammy for an interim TNT title

[JuveLeo]

Ok, so why does Hook have so much hype again? He's got a ways to go in my opinion

[Bert]

Ok, so why does Hook have so much hype again? He's got a ways to go in my opinion

Shun the nonbeliever. Shun.

[Supernovametalstar]

I love Ricky Starks but if they replaced him on commentary with Joe...

I'm going to keep saying this: a four man booth is really not necessary. If anyone has to go, it should Jericho. He has a habit of stepping over people, and he yells too much. I get he's trying to be hyped, but I can only take that in small doses. If the goal is to keep Ricky prominent and get better at speaking, then have him, Excalibur, and "maybe" Taz.

Something that I didn't know about until recently was that apparently it's a fundamental for wrestling (he I just watch it, I've never done it) where you have one person as a "base" for the other person to do their moves off of. So if you have a smaller person, like Riho, they love to base off a bigger person, like Hayter. Makes sense and now I can not unsee it when watching. Plus, Hayter's worked Japan with them before from what I've read, so it makes sense that whenever those two fight, they make each other look good.

Hook started as a meme, then the legend grew. He should never speak. And if they aren't offering their own brand of Hook chips at concessions, that's money on the table they are leaving behind. It will be interesting to see how he does when going up against not only a veteran, but a star veteran, that can counter his counters.

[VHS]

I agree Hook should never speak. Ever. Add to the mystery.

[Badger]

He’s sorta like a killer panda. Eats, hooks and leaves.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Fenix with a dislocated elbow. Still serious, but thank god not a broken arm. How he escaped that with no fractures is a goddamn miracle.

I guess you've never dislocated a joint vs. breaking a bone or you wouldn't be making such a comment.

Now onto a quick thought on tonight's 'Interim' TNT Title:

seems obvious theyre recreating Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels, circa Wrestlemania 10.

Sammy 'wins' the Interim title, claims he is the real TNT Champion; Cody returns, and they (big shock here) have a ladder match to unite the two belts at the next ppv

[Supernovametalstar]

Sammy 'wins' the Interim title, claims he is the real TNT Champion; Cody returns, and they (big shock here) have a ladder match to unite the two belts at the next ppv

That's right, they've not done a ladder match yet, have they? That should be fun.

Table is putting in work, isn't it? After it got a taste of fire from Cody (damn you, Cody!), its been going all out to mess up everybody: not breaking for the streetfight, that awful thing with Fenix, Sammy and Dustin tonight and then trying to take out Hayter's leg tonight. I kid, I kid. I'd watch out for Camera, though. After getting blood splatters on its lens in the streetfight, then beer on the lens last night, and now Baker hitting it in the face with the title belt, Camera might start to rebel, too. :D

[Morrison]

That's right, they've not done a ladder match yet, have they? That should be fun.

Table is putting in work, isn't it? After it got a taste of fire from Cody (damn you, Cody!), its been going all out to mess up everybody: not breaking for the streetfight, that awful thing with Fenix, Sammy and Dustin tonight and then trying to take out Hayter's leg tonight. I kid, I kid. I'd watch out for Camera, though. After getting blood splatters on its lens in the streetfight, then beer on the lens last night, and now Baker hitting it in the face with the title belt, Camera might start to rebel, too. :D

no one on one ladder matches, no. handful of multi-man ladder matches and the bucks/lucha bros one.

[JuveLeo]

Personally I think a 3 man booth is overkill. Tony Schiavone barely has a chance to say anything whenever he's commentating I feel. 2 man is good enough in my opinion.

[Badger]

Personally I think a 3 man booth is overkill. Tony Schiavone barely has a chance to say anything whenever he's commentating I feel. 2 man is good enough in my opinion.

I think 3 man is good with a straight man pbp, a heel colour and a face colour. The problem I think here is they are all face until that 4th special guest (usually heel to liven it up like when Callis is brought in for example) livens things up.

Personally think Tony is the best of the three as he has a “plot” if you like. The “straight man” but also has to keep up his loyalties to a heel in Baker. Excalibur is just there and doesn’t add much and as harsh as this sounds to JR, he’s just there on rep. You get Ricky or someone like Joe on Dynamite commentary then there’s a good shake-up!

[JuveLeo]

I agree with what you said about Excalibur and JR. I love JR, my all time favorite commentator, but it might be time to retire. Ricky could be the perfect heel commentator and would contribute well with Tony and Excalibur

[Supernovametalstar]

A couple of other things from the show:

How does Dustin do a better Crossroads than Cody? I guess because he's Dustin? Take notes, Cody!

Every time I see Ricky take a head bump like that it makes me cringe given what we saw happen to his neck before. Stop doing this Ricky!

When Britt had the belt in hand, I for sure thought she was going to waylay Riho in the head in front of the ref (like right in front on purpose, so even his blind ass can see it), and get intentionally DQ'ed. Instead, they had Riho tap immediately. A headscratcher for me, but I guess it works. Would have been better if they kept up the Britt's never beaten Riho storyline, but can't have 'em all, I guess. I'm seeing in other places, and I would concur, that the current Baker title reign has run its course. I know people assume Thunder Rosa will take the belt off her, but I wouldn't be surprised if they throw a curve ball and have her retain one more time just to subvert expectations.

All in all, it was a fun one hour show. Get in, have some good matches, get out. Glad that people that bought tickets got a full, longer show.

[VHS]

I guess you've never dislocated a joint vs. breaking a bone or you wouldn't be making such a comment.

Now onto a quick thought on tonight's 'Interim' TNT Title:

seems obvious theyre recreating Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels, circa Wrestlemania 10.

Sammy 'wins' the Interim title, claims he is the real TNT Champion; Cody returns, and they (big shock here) have a ladder match to unite the two belts at the next ppv

I’ve dislocated my elbow so I know its severity. Never broken or fractured a bone tho.

[Sasori]

A couple of other things from the show:

How does Dustin do a better Crossroads than Cody? I guess because he's Dustin? Take notes, Cody!

Every time I see Ricky take a head bump like that it makes me cringe given what we saw happen to his neck before. Stop doing this Ricky!

When Britt had the belt in hand, I for sure thought she was going to waylay Riho in the head in front of the ref (like right in front on purpose, so even his blind ass can see it), and get intentionally DQ'ed. Instead, they had Riho tap immediately. A headscratcher for me, but I guess it works. Would have been better if they kept up the Britt's never beaten Riho storyline, but can't have 'em all, I guess. I'm seeing in other places, and I would concur, that the current Baker title reign has run its course. I know people assume Thunder Rosa will take the belt off her, but I wouldn't be surprised if they throw a curve ball and have her retain one more time just to subvert expectations.

All in all, it was a fun one hour show. Get in, have some good matches, get out. Glad that people that bought tickets got a full, longer show.

The Shida v Deeb and TayJay v Super Bad Bunny feuds have been more heated than anything Britt's done since winning the title. Creating compelling title feuds for the women is something they need to work on.

[Bert]

Hook was sent.
https://twitter.com/HeartbreakJulio/status/1480573686469910532?t=8-B-huO-TrtCJuRILZ8i0A&s=19

[VHS]

FTR with a pretty good reaction. :yes: at 10:08


https://youtu.be/obPTd03xW7c

[VHS]

Discrod tonight for Dynamite!

https://discord.gg/Euva3FRb

[Bert]

I hate the big bang theory.

I'd rather watch the last 5mins of Ready Player One or The Accountant for the hundredth time.

[Tainted Eclipse]

I hate the big bang theory.

I'd rather watch the last 5mins of Ready Player One or The Accountant for the hundredth time.

it brought that female demo last week though.

i love the slow-burn wardlow push. reminds me a lot of batista's turn in 2005.

[Bert]

Finally. I feel like that debut was meant for last week but had to get delayed because Fenix got hurt.

[JuveLeo]

They've been teasing that Wardlow turn on MJF for a while now. Should be awesome when it finally happens.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/ho9s4XD.jpeg

Add Daredevil PAC and whatever Swerve's new gimmick is, throw in Pirate Julia, and they'll be the hottest faction in wrestling.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/ACYh_mrLljU

Gotta look up that Walter match.

[Sasori]

Add Daredevil PAC and whatever Swerve's new gimmick is, throw in Pirate Julia, and they'll be the hottest faction in wrestling.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Julia was clearly saying "that's enough" when they were beating down Black. I wouldn't mind her turning heel.

[Badger]

So Black may have the power of turning people by spitting mist on them?

Also I can’t wait for Wardlow to explode either. Couple of roads they could go down here I think. Either tease it again after the Punk/Spears match but then BOOM! after MJF/Punk match once MJF chews him out for another screw-up. Another way is after there’s a screw-up in the Spears match, MJF chews him out backstage and tells him to sit out accompanying him to face Punk and has Spears do it instead then Wardlow comes down later to even up the odds on purpose taking out Spears then Punk wins.

Either way is good to me.

[Donald]

Good to see Matt Hardy made the right choice on going to AEW. You know Vince wouldn't put him in matches on RAW or Smackdown frequently.

[Sasori]

So Black may have the power of turning people by spitting mist on them?

Also I can’t wait for Wardlow to explode either. Couple of roads they could go down here I think. Either tease it again after the Punk/Spears match but then BOOM! after MJF/Punk match once MJF chews him out for another screw-up. Another way is after there’s a screw-up in the Spears match, MJF chews him out backstage and tells him to sit out accompanying him to face Punk and has Spears do it instead then Wardlow comes down later to even up the odds on purpose taking out Spears then Punk wins.

Either way is good to me.

Maybe Julia removes her eyepatch and reveals a red eye similar to Black's and then spits mist in BPJ's face cementing the turn.

[BGMaverick]

I was most interested in seeing the Punk/Wardlow match and it was interesting but for very weird reasons. Punk was beaten to oblivion and the ref didn’t want to look out for his well being and stop of the match. You essentially got the visual pin of Punk, so that doesn’t help when the “underling” beats Punk rather easily. Wardlow looks great but you just set up a match you want to see (kind of) more at this point in MJF and Wardlow.

Seems like that episode should have been paced/sequence much better because the second half of that show lacked quite a bit of sizzle compared to the first half.

[Bert]

Someone on reddit pointed out Punk/Wardlow was Bret Hart/Diesel from Survivor Series 1995.

This follows with all of the other Bret Hart spots he's been doing in matches.

[Donald]

God I hope we don't get a copy of hbk vs hart from survivor series 1997. Imagine punk spelling Impact in the air.

[Murphy]

God I hope we don't get a copy of hbk vs hart from survivor series 1997. Imagine punk spelling Impact in the air.

:lol:

[VHS]

I hope this doesn’t turn into a game of who is CM Punk paying homage to this time?

[Horatio]

God I hope we don't get a copy of hbk vs hart from survivor series 1997. Imagine punk spelling Impact in the air.

I wouldn't put it past Punk to pull out a sharpshooter and turn heel somehow in the process.

[Tyrone]

Damn. Of course the one week I forget to watch Brody King shows up. AEW off to a hot start this year already.

[Bert]

I hope this doesn’t turn into a game of who is CM Punk paying homage to this time?

Austin double turn with Bryan coming soon.

[Bert]

TK on The Briscoes:

We will have to wait and see I guess but they’re a great team who I have followed for well over 15 years. Who am I kidding? Much longer than that and I think they’re great wrestlers.”

DC is 2 hours from Sandy Fork and Dem Boys owe FTR some payback. There's really no reason for this random match with Brock Anderson and Shotty Lee on Dynamite next week. I'm just sayin'.

[Dreyski]

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Julia was clearly saying "that's enough" when they were beating down Black. I wouldn't mind her turning heel.

Add in the subtle foregoing the sports jacket for a black top as well.

[Donald]

I gotta be honest. I love Wardlow.

[BGMaverick]

I legit laughed at The Acclaimed’s diss track. Two grown men going through a goth phase is a nice hook.

[Badger]

That and “The Acclaimed leaving opponents all motionless. They ain’t got a shot like Novak Djokovic.” lol:

Love the Acclaimed

[Nash Diesel]

LOVE The Briscoes. Jay Briscoe as ROH World champion was the last real moment of joy that I had with ROH that didn't involve Japanese imports or Dalton Castle.

Until I saw that brawl with them and FTR. I want to see on a national tv level. IDC if it's AEW, WWE, ROH, the masses need to see it. What I don't want is people digging up those tweets from Jay Briscoe especially with how Donald Trump TK can be with the Twitter machine. That shit will probably keep them from a contract but as long as we get a few FTR matches I'm golden.

[Donald]

I watched a part of Dynamite. Adam Cole stuff wasn't exciting for me. Kind of enjoyed Wardlow vs. Punk, though it made Punk look very weak. Hopefully we see Wardlow take out Shawn Spears. Looked very much like WWE TV to me, which it didn't seem that way whenever I last watched anything AEW. Only differences are the entrance way and the turnbuckles.

I'm trying.

[Mazer]

I actually liked UE. Which led to mth and Nash trying to kick me out of the NXT thread,

However, I'm not sure of the wisdom of running it back at this level. They sold merch at NXT and popped, but didn't seem to draw ratings (not like many people actually do draw). Just doesn't seem like it will help grow AEW.

If there's ever a true invasion angle that is well-executed, I will retract any critique.





Also, Wardlow needs to dump "Mr. Mayhem". Doesn't need WarDog either. Should be just Wardlow. His merch should just read "Wardlow, Mother Fucker"

[Matthew]

wardog is great

[Mazer]

You would think that.


You just go chant war dog, as you wear your "Mr Mayhem shirt" over your Christy Hemme-Powered autographed tank top, while wearing your Roman Reigns "The Guy" gym pants, and drink out of your Sparky Plugg freezer mug.



But you do it alone, because I'm not there for it.

[Bert]

I actually liked UE. Which led to mth and Nash trying to kick me out of the NXT thread,

However, I'm not sure of the wisdom of running it back at this level. They sold merch at NXT and popped, but didn't seem to draw ratings (not like many people actually do draw). Just doesn't seem like it will help grow AEW.

If there's ever a true invasion angle that is well-executed, I will retract any critique.





Also, Wardlow needs to dump "Mr. Mayhem". Doesn't need WarDog either. Should be just Wardlow. His merch should just read "Wardlow, Mother Fucker"

The only time NXT beat AEW in the demo it was on cards with Adam Cole or UE.

[Mazer]

Demo doesn't mean near as much as it used to, as a lot companies are actually trying to broaden appeal. Looking at ad cost tracking, the demo mark-up is getting smaller and smaller, and largely non-existent.


Regardless those ratings estimates were still typically within MOE, and not sustained. It was close enough where measurement error was often as likely a source as actual viewership. The overall trend has not been kind to NXT and resulted in the move. UE was near omnipresent when NXT was basically moved out of direct competiation.


And look, I own a UE shirt. I liked those weekly shows better than the current greenies (although there are some I like).

I just don't see evidence that they can expand the base. Particularly if they run a similar play.

[Donald]

Rumor is Cody is working without a contract. Would be interesting if he went somewhere else. No desire to see him in WWE though. Unless it's a surprise Rumble showing only to be eliminated by Madcap Moss.

[Nash Diesel]

Demo doesn't mean near as much as it used to, as a lot companies are actually trying to broaden appeal. Looking at ad cost tracking, the demo mark-up is getting smaller and smaller, and largely non-existent.


Regardless those ratings estimates were still typically within MOE, and not sustained. It was close enough where measurement error was often as likely a source as actual viewership. The overall trend has not been kind to NXT and resulted in the move. UE was near omnipresent when NXT was basically moved out of direct competiation.


And look, I own a UE shirt. I liked those weekly shows better than the current greenies (although there are some I like).

I just don't see evidence that they can expand the base. Particularly if they run a similar play.

Take into consideration who brags about the "Key demo" which literally no wrestling fan or really any dirt sheet idiot spoke about until AEW. Imagine 25 years ago and Bert is like "Well, Raw beat Nitro in the key demo!!" Shit back then it actually mattered. Now, not so much because advertisers don't solely rely on television to advertise these days.


Rumor is Cody is working without a contract. Would be interesting if he went somewhere else. No desire to see him in WWE though. Unless it's a surprise Rumble showing only to be eliminated by Madcap Moss.

It would be fucking hilarious if it was Cody. The WWE already showed AEW who runs this shit by putting Jericho on a WWE show. Notice you don't see any contracted WWE talent going on an AEW show. Jericho talking all that shit and jumps at the chance to be back on WWE programming.

Cody....All that slighting of Triple H-while saying he's his favorite and learned so much-would be hilarious. I'm not a big WWE mark, but I do enjoy when talent of any kind shit on the WWE so hard and then go back the second Vince allows it.

[Horatio]

I could see Madcap Moss making a huge name for himself eliminating Stardust

[Nash Diesel]

I could see Madcap Moss making a huge name for himself eliminating Stardust

I want Stardust in AEW. Or on the show Heels where he goes into the multi verse of wrestling and demands a match with Jack Spade.

[Sasori]

Rumor is Cody is working without a contract. Would be interesting if he went somewhere else. No desire to see him in WWE though. Unless it's a surprise Rumble showing only to be eliminated by Madcap Moss.

And people are already speculating it's a storyline for Cody's reality show.

[Nash Diesel]

And people are already speculating it's a storyline for Cody's reality show.

Hmm. Interesting. Maybe they're trying to get some kind of footage of Cody and Tony having a Bret-Vince Wrestling with Shadows moment?

[Horatio]

I want Stardust in AEW. Or on the show Heels where he goes into the multi verse of wrestling and demands a match with Jack Spade.
Same here. Stardust needs to be bigger than wrestling.

[Nash Diesel]

Same here. Stardust needs to be bigger than wrestling.

I would even go as far as bringing in Ascension, obviously under a different name. I enjoyed their trio. Not to mention, they could easily say Kris Statlander brought Stardust over to AEW.

How would Broken Matt Hardy work into this? Wasn't he some type of celestial being?

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/tBMlJ1i.jpeg

[Nash Diesel]

Even though the dude was stuck in some bullshit here and there in WWE and AEW he's been my 2nd favorite wrestler next to Asuka, pretty much since CM Punk left WWE.

[Donald]

That oughta put butts in seats.

[VHS]

Glad to see him back :yes:

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/sKq9zfi.jpeg

Swerve to the House of Black, please. He's already wearing the clothes.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/l4vuLMjQ6_Q

[greebull]

Hope this isn't against the rules but, here goes...

I have 2 tickets to AEW Rampage in DC, Section 106. I can't go. You have to show proof you had a shot in order to go. Email me: greebull@gmail.com

[Bert]

Hope this isn't against the rules but, here goes...

I have 2 tickets to AEW Rampage in DC, Section 106. I can't go. You have to show proof you had a shot in order to go. Email me: greebull@gmail.com

You should go post on reddit if you haven't already.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle
https://www.reddit.com/r/AEWOfficial

[Donald]

I read It in the late 90s. Good book.

[Nash Diesel]

Do you think 25 years ago when Sting was hanging from the rafters with Macho Man Randy Savage about to fight off the nWo that he was thinking he'd still be doing this?

[VHS]

Sounds likely.

[Nash Diesel]

I wonder what his thoughts are on working with The Acclaim.

[VHS]

Will be missing AEW tonight, but here's the rajah discord link any case!

https://discord.com/channels/884139865262927874/890388534878404618

[BigAl]

What did that dude yell at Mox?

Mox looks good. Dropped some weight and looks like he’s in much better shape. Mox vs House of Black, please.

[Bert]

What did that dude yell at Mox?

Mox looks good. Dropped some weight and looks like he’s in much better shape. Mox vs House of Black, please.

"Boo get this drunken piece of trash out of the ring"

A well deserved fuck you live on TBS.

[BigAl]

"Boo get this drunken piece of trash out of the ring"

A well deserved fuck you live on TBS.

Yeah the live fuck you was great. Couldn’t quite make out the dude was yelling but fuck him.

[Mazer]

Good on Mox.

If they keep Britt appearing with Adam, that will mitigate some of my earlier concern about them just running Undisputed Era back.

[Bert]

FTR match got scrapped I think. That sucks. I want Dem Boys.

[Tainted Eclipse]

sting and darby are the best tag team in wrestling

[BGMaverick]

Great Moxley promo. Wasn’t intentional but he absolutely neutered Jericho’s feeble attempt to get GYF over.

I thought Cody did a nice job navigating the crowd through his promo. It was certainly a good promo and will have people talking. I don’t get why he needed to go with the Jay Lethal route and the Brodie route. Those felt a little too forced.

I’m very curious to see how the Anna/Jade match goes.

Sting is something else.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/j7Grfqm.png

[VHS]

I find everything Cody does to be an eye rolling bore. Crowd was into it at first but then they wanted that shit to end halfway through.

[Bert]

I actually felt like they hated him at first and he turned it around.

[BigAl]

https://i.imgur.com/j7Grfqm.png

Dude looks so much better since drying out. I hope he can stick with it. It’s a lot of hard work but it’s worth it.

[Mazer]

Absolutely, just looks a lot healthier. Its hard for people to be perfect, and never have a relapse. I hope if he does, people will be understanding. We're all rooting for Mox.


I actually liked Cody's promo quite a bit, and think he won the crowd a bit (ever so slightly), which is a significant accomplishment in and of itself. That's going to be hard to sustain week after week, but good on him for going for it.

[BGMaverick]

I actually liked Cody's promo quite a bit, and think he won the crowd a bit (ever so slightly), which is a significant accomplishment in and of itself. That's going to be hard to sustain week after week, but good on him for going for it.

It was good but the more I thought about it, it took shots at things that didn't necessarily need it. Like, why take a shot at the tag feud that's eventually going to happen (reDRagon & The Bucks) and you're not even involved in it? Same with the Brody/Brodie thing, then mentioning Lethal and Black. The stuff actually in relation to him and the match with Guevara was solid but the rest just felt like a State of the Union (according to Cody) address.