All Elite Wrestling

[JP]

i don't think jericho as first champion would be a bad call. in fact, i think it would be a good call. get the title on a guy with name value who isn't seen as washed up or a wwe reject to start their TV deal. jericho's really revitalized his character and is doing great work. i think it's the move to make. give kenny his title win a couple weeks or months into the TV deal after he's been introduced to a wider audience to make it mean something.

:yes:

[MMH]

Orange Cassidy's website is pretty great.

https://orangecassidy.com/

[chatty]

I agree Jericho should win the first title. 48 or not, the guy is still a top star, can still go and probably has the widest marketable appeal in the company (in the West anyway). Give Omega some obstacles to get through so he can win the title of jericho and during that time he can establish himself as he is but with a more mainstream market.

They dont have to nor should rush title runs so give Jericho 6-8 months then give Omega a good year run . From there they should have built there roster up enough and signed a few more established stars that they can have a good title scene.

Jericho, Omega, Page, PAC, Cody and Moxley are probably the most established wrestlers they have in name currently and its no surprise four of them are ex WWE but they can take the top of the card mixing with others to elevate them to that level as well and that's going to be the first big thing they need to do as well as establishing the other divisions.

[Murphy]

Not strictly AEW, but All In hasn't been released on DVD, has it? Reason I ask is because I'd like to finally get around to watching it, but I'm not paying a silly price to watch it on the Fite app and I saw it on e-Bay for a tenner. Guessing it's not an official copy though...

[Hero!]

it’s pretty easily available online

[Nash Diesel]

it’s pretty easily available online

You ever think maybe people want to support this company beyond watching it for free? Or I guess does All In even go toward anyone and that's probably why it's not on a DVD yet....?

[Hero!]

The rights to All In belong to ROH.

[Nash Diesel]

The rights to All In belong to ROH.

Ah right on, I did not know that. They better get on this shit and put out a DVD for fuck's sake.

[Hero!]

So, funny story that, but it might just be stuck in ownership hell forever. ROH owns the broadcast rights, but The Elite all own the name and the trademarks for All In, as well as a lot of the promotional material.

[Nash Diesel]

So, funny story that, but it might just be stuck in ownership hell forever. ROH owns the broadcast rights, but The Elite all own the name and the trademarks for All In, as well as a lot of the promotional material.

Ah shit. So we'll probably never see this until both parties come to some sort of financial agreement on how distribution will work. This is the type of shit that people don't even think about. This stuff is why the original Batman tv show took 50 years to see a DVD release because all the music was wrapped up in licensing bullshit.

[Hero!]

Similar to how Fox owned the distribution rights to New Hope and Lucas/Disney paid them a fee to distribute their own movie.

Imagine the turnaround if ROH ends up dying in the next few years and WWE buys the distribution rights to All In before AEW could. That would be funny.

[Donald]

I just don't think a wrestling boom is going to happen with the start up of AEW. It worked in the 90s with WCW because the wrestlers were the stars. These days, the company's are the stars. When Hulk Hogan went to WCW, it was a big deal because even non-wrestling fans knew who Hulk Hogan was. They knew who Randy Savage was. People outside of wrestling don't know who Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley is . It's not like John Cena or Undertaker or the Rock are going to go to AEW to be their top star. So are you really going to be pulling in outside fans? I just think the world has changed and there are too many options for another wrestling boom to happen.

Only thing I can hope is that AEW causes WWE to step up their game in a storyline sense so it feels like must see TV again.

[kdestiny]

Just announced Moxley/Omega for All Out in Chicago

[Nash Diesel]

Just announced Moxley/Omega for All Out in Chicago

Makes perfect sense. Should be a good match. Moxley isn't the best worker out there but Omega, like Rollins and AJ Styles, might be able to pull out the best he has to offer.

I just wish I was high on Page v. Jericho. Never liked Adam Page, going back to his John Deere hat wearing days in ROH. I also don't like the idea of almost 50 Jericho being the 1st World Champion. But hey, Ken Shamrock was the first ever NWA-TNA champion so....

[Donald]

I remember Jericho calling him Ken Scamrock :lol:

[Tainted Eclipse]

based on the number of people in the online queue for all out tickets, aew could have sold out a stadium and had a wrestlemania sized crowd. what a sight that would have been.

[Beer-Belly]

based on the number of people in the online queue for all out tickets, aew could have sold out a stadium and had a wrestlemania sized crowd. what a sight that would have been.

That's not how queues work.

[G-Fresh]

I hope Vince is worried. I got mad love for WWE, but I want my shit bloody, with piledrivers, and chairs to the head. I really don't care about concussions. Don't wrestle if you are afraid of being injured.

[Romford Pele]

Concussions are very dangerous, that is something WWE got right, whether you like it or not.

[Nash Diesel]

I hope Vince is worried. I got mad love for WWE, but I want my shit bloody, with piledrivers, and chairs to the head. I really don't care about concussions. Don't wrestle if you are afraid of being injured.


Concussions are very dangerous, that is something WWE got right, whether you like it or not.

I have to agree with you here Romford. And DVDA to an extent. Blood and piledrivers, I'm down with. Chairs to the head? I'm not missing them. I'm not negative to them happening but there's a reason Mick Foley can barely remember what he had for breakfast. If it's done sparingly, sure, but something that used to happen literally 2-3 times every Raw, that's just bullshit. Glad we found out what we've found out.

Look @ it this way. The 80's were a gigantic era for pro wrestling that many of us can go back and still enjoy. You didn't have chairs and tables and fucking Sick Nick Mondo lol. And I didn't stick wtih wrestling in the 90's just because of Foley taking 100 chair shots to the head in one match.

[greebull]

On Austin’s podcast today, Tony Khan announced that “Fight for the Fallen” will ALSO stream for free on B/R Live.

So we got..
Saturday June 29 = FyterFest (Free on B/R Live)
Sat, July 13 (2 weeks later) = Fight for the Fallen (Free on B-R Live)
Sat, Aug 31 (Labor Day weekend) = All Out (PPV, probably like $50-60)
Fall 2019 = Weekly, LIVE, 2-hour show premieres on TNT (Time / Day still TBD)

[Tainted Eclipse]

I have to agree with you here Romford. And DVDA to an extent. Blood and piledrivers, I'm down with. Chairs to the head? I'm not missing them. I'm not negative to them happening but there's a reason Mick Foley can barely remember what he had for breakfast. If it's done sparingly, sure, but something that used to happen literally 2-3 times every Raw, that's just bullshit. Glad we found out what we've found out.

Look @ it this way. The 80's were a gigantic era for pro wrestling that many of us can go back and still enjoy. You didn't have chairs and tables and fucking Sick Nick Mondo lol. And I didn't stick wtih wrestling in the 90's just because of Foley taking 100 chair shots to the head in one match.

piledrivers can be done safely. plenty of people in wrestling do piledrivers. no one gets injured more than WWE wrestlers so their restrictions certainly aren't strictly an effective matter of safety.

you can do protected chair shots to the head. i think WWE even said their reasoning for not doing chair shots to the head isn't even about safety.

blood, definitely. not every week but in big feuds where the guys are supposed to hate each other, it needs blood.

[Nash Diesel]

piledrivers can be done safely. plenty of people in wrestling do piledrivers. no one gets injured more than WWE wrestlers so their restrictions certainly aren't strictly an effective matter of safety.

you can do protected chair shots to the head. i think WWE even said their reasoning for not doing chair shots to the head isn't even about safety.

blood, definitely. not every week but in big feuds where the guys are supposed to hate each other, it needs blood.

Piledrivers CAN be done safely. So can powerbombs, but tell that to Droz. Shit happens. Plus the WWE work so many more dates than any other promotion but still, we've seen talent get seriously hurt doing moves like the piledriver. Shit the WWE banned the shooting star press until Evan Bourne did it 10 times in a row without hurting himself/someone else in development before they let him use it.

You CAN do protected chair shots but what happens when you don't get your arm up in time? It's happened. And if you can find me where the WWE said they don't do chairshots for any other reason than keeping people safe, show me and we can talk about it.

With all this talk of safety, shedding blood I'm not against lol.

[Donald]

Do you lot think if the Hardy's, Lashley, EC3, Bobby Roode, etc. just waited a year or two then they'd be in AEW?

Cause apart from Lashely they don't seem to be doing a whole lot recently.

[Peter Griffin]

I think they would be best served from just gobbling up WWE talent as they should have their own identity.

Moxley was a different issue I think, But there is enough talent out their for them to be successful.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW could very well take a page out of Vince's book and build their company off the backs of other promotions. The top draws of AEW: Jericho, Moxley, Omega, Cody, and The Young Bucks=all top talent elsewhere on nationally televised shows. WWE, ROH, NJPW, Lucha Underground all have great reach visually whether that's TV, Netflix, streaming. Just like back in the 80's where Vince was taking top guys from AWA, NWA, Mid-Atlantic, USWA, etc. and next thing you know he's the biggest dog by a mile.

Not saying there's anything wrong with that because let's be honest. Scarf guy, Adam Page, and Joey Janella are not going to lure anyone in at the moment. Nobody is going to tune in to see Old Dust either. And this doesn't feel like like Global Force bullshit either.

Although, Commissioner Kevin Nash sounds pretty awesome.

[Ringo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XRPY-_lTKw

Nice segment on Private Party introducing their backstory at around 05:30.

[Nash Diesel]

I have to say this about Dave Meltzer....He is snake charmer playing his fucking mark flute. This is a real response to a comment I made asking if people were able to compare how many tickets AEW sold v how many WWE have sold SG and here's what it said:

"well when i wanted to buy a ticket for all out i was number 71385 which is almost like the number of people at wm 35, so I believe that AEW>WWE"

Meltzer has convinced these people that there were literally like 100,000+ fans waiting online to buy tickets to this show. I basically just responded with, "If that's what you believe to be true then AEW>Any form of entertainment, any musical act, etc. because that's just unrealistic and not what that number actually reflects"

Al Snow was 100% correct in saying Meltzer was the best worker in the history of the business. A guy who has never done it, never tried it, never owned it, never built it, has been able to shape the industry based on rumor.

[Donald]

Part of it is AEW is new and fresh so people get excited. Once they start having a weekly show it'll be the same shit week after week like little old boring WWE.

- Goldust and Cody being best friends/brothers, which leads to Cody turning on Oldie and then doing an Old Yeller type storyline about putting him down for good.
- Omega and Jericho fighting for the 100th time
- Ambrose acting all lunaticy
- Bunch of nobodies in battle royals
- 8,000 superkicks

[kdestiny]

As long as they don't open with a twenty minute promo I will be excited to see it.

[Donald]

As long as they don't open with a twenty minute promo I will be excited to see it.

Yes, and also if they don't have every match end in DQ only for it to turn into a tag team match it will be great.

[Sasori]

Can AEW fill a 2 hr. show every week, or will they stick with 1 hr. in the beginning?

[Donald]

Considering fans get aroused at 40 minute matches, I don't think it will be hard to fill out a 2 hour show.

[Bagel]

I'd hope they fill a couple shows with a half dozen squash matches. That'd be fresh.

[Donald]

Still lovin' the idea that Vince met the Kaan's at a billionaire party and they were all giddy about their love of professional wrestling and Vince suggested they start their own company, and that Vince would help them out. So Vince sends over Dean Ambrose as a way to make it look like a war is going to break out. Cause let's face it no one gives a shit about Chirs Jericho in 2019. In fact I bet Vince and Tony Kaan are on a boat somewhere snorting coke and banging hookers laughing it up. Vince is a genius after all.

[Morrison]

Can AEW fill a 2 hr. show every week, or will they stick with 1 hr. in the beginning?

why wouldnt they be able to fill a two hour show every week?

[JP]

Am I alone in thinking it's pretty much inevitable now that he first week of AEW on TNT is going to have a higher rating than Raw?

[Peter Griffin]

At this point I'm hoping ITV get the weekly UK deal so I can get my wrestling fix because I'll be dead in the ground before I pay an extra 30 a month for BT :lol:

[Rancid_Planet]

Am I alone in thinking it's pretty much inevitable now that he first week of AEW on TNT is going to have a higher rating than Raw?

It will get a much higher rating than any of the subsequent episodes. That's for sure.

But higher than Raw? Hmmm. All they'd have to do is hit the 2.5 million mark. Not unreasonable to do that.

[Peter Griffin]

The two upcoming shows will be 8.95 and 9.95 in the UK. I sense this will not go down well :lol:

[Murphy]

Yeah, I thought I saw Cody tweet that the other night. :chin:

[Nash Diesel]

Am I alone in thinking it's pretty much inevitable now that he first week of AEW on TNT is going to have a higher rating than Raw?

I think there's a strong possibility it will in fact beat Raw's rating for that week. It'll be interesting though to see what measures the WWE take to give wrestling fans a reason to start tuning in more and more to avoid any real dent in the market they have a strangle hold on.

[Romford Pele]

The two upcoming shows will be 8.95 and 9.95 in the UK. I sense this will not go down well :lol:

Why? They don't have a subscription model and have to make money somehow.

WWE were charging almost 60 bucks per PPV before the network came in. This is pretty reasonable.

[JP]

If a show is free in States why the fudging fudge should we pay for it?

[Romford Pele]

Ah, I didn't know it was free in the states. My bad.

Strange one...I guess they are prioritising breaking the US

[Donald]

I'd say find a live stream somewhere. If it's free here then it shouldn't be too much of a hasslehoff to find one.

[Donald]

Am I alone in thinking it's pretty much inevitable now that he first week of AEW on TNT is going to have a higher rating than Raw?

I suppose since it's not going head to head with RAW then it may do that. I think I read it could air on Tuesdays or Wednesdays?

[Hero!]

If a show is free in States why the fudging fudge should we pay for it?

Yall used to get a free wwe ppv every other month...

[JP]

Yeah, Tuesdays I believe.

[Tainted Eclipse]

If a show is free in States why the fudging fudge should we pay for it?

you get free healthcare, you can pay 10 of the queen's pounds for a wrestling show

[Hero!]

The AEW shows are also still $10 in the states. It’s FREE if you subscribe to BRLive as a part of a promotion.

wanna guess what BRLive costs?

[Peter Griffin]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/403430334746266207/815194386A5E36D1E4090CF12D318BE0012EAFC8/

[JP]

Yall used to get a free wwe ppv every other month...

With adverts randomly cutting into the show. With censorship. Utopia sucked balls.

[JP]

you get free healthcare, you can pay 10 of the queen's pounds for a wrestling show

We pay National Insurance, which directly pays for the NHS and Pensions.

I mean, it's a wonderful system which I k ow you'd prefer to have, but it ain't free.

[Peter Griffin]

With adverts randomly cutting into the show. With censorship. Utopia sucked balls.

Haha the best one was when Show returned in the Rumble one year, His music hit and it cut to ads.

[Hero!]

With adverts randomly cutting into the show. With censorship. Utopia sucked balls.

Free ain’t free, my guy.

[Fanny Batter]

Signing up for FITE for All or Nothing gave me free credits so it's free based on that. All 3 shows for £15 isn't bad at all, though I wouldn't be paying for this show for a tenner if that was the case.

[Hero!]

Haha the best one was when Show returned in the Rumble one year, His music hit and it cut to ads.

I remember Ringo and Torn telling me about that. Amazing stuff.

[JP]

"Welllllllllllllllll, well it's the NEW HOT CHOCOLATE FROM CADBURY'S!"

[Fanny Batter]

Backlash 2000 was worse, really randomly censored. Blood and table bumps gone, but most weapon shots and the Chyna stripping left in. I think they kept the Austin arson attack in as well.

[greebull]

The AEW shows are also still $10 in the states. It’s FREE if you subscribe to BRLive as a part of a promotion.

wanna guess what BRLive costs?

It's free.

[Peter Griffin]

I remember Ringo and Torn telling me about that. Amazing stuff.

In hindsight yes. 13 year old PG was not amused :mad:

- - - Updated - - -

Then again 13 year old PG was a Big Show mark so what did he know :D

[Tainted Eclipse]

AEW should bring back the crowd throwing trash at heels

[Murphy]

Backlash 2000 was worse, really randomly censored. Blood and table bumps gone, but most weapon shots and the Chyna stripping left in. I think they kept the Austin arson attack in as well.

Royal Rumble 2000 was the first show on Channel 4 and, appaz, the bosses at Channel 4 were horrified at what they saw. Mae stripping and the Foley/HHH match. So the next PPV, Backlash, aired on a 55 minute delay, with the cuts and censorship you mentioned. Then it was Fully Loaded and HHH bled buckets and they clearly just thought 'fuck it' and left it as. I mean, the alternative was cutting the second half of the match, so.

They also had the rights to Sunday Night Heat and they stuck it on at like 3am every week. They clearly didn't want the product anymore after the very first show. :D

[Romford Pele]

This got me back into the product, despite channel 4s shitness! Was at uni and we all started watching these.

Backlash 2000 remains one of my all time fave PPVs

[Nash Diesel]

I'm pretty sure the one thing Real Sex taught me about your part of the world is that they have no issues showing unrated sex acts but take issue with pro wrasslin? Weird but hey whatever man.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

AEW should bring back the crowd throwing trash at heels

For an extra $5 fee at the door, members of the crowd will be handed a limited-edition AEW trash bag full of various garbage to throw at the heels.

[Rancid_Planet]

Well it's over. Jinder Mahal just signed his WWE extension. I don't see AEW making it without that key acquisition. Pretty much no point in them trying to go forward from here.

[Peter Griffin]

YOU ARE SO HUMOROUS.

[Nash Diesel]

Well it's over. Jinder Mahal just signed his WWE extension. I don't see AEW making it without that key acquisition. Pretty much no point in them trying to go forward from here.


YOU ARE SO HUMOROUS.

It actually was pretty fuckin funny.

[Rancid_Planet]

YOU ARE SO HUMOROUS.

You misspelled hung.

[kdestiny]

You misspelled hung.

Oh right.

Hung are so humorous.

[Randolph]

Oh right.

Hung are so humorous.

https://gazettereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/william-hung.jpg

[Donald]

Jinder Mahal is a God.

[Nash Diesel]

https://gazettereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/william-hung.jpg

I'm pretty sure this guy had a 5 star match @ the Tokyo Dome against Kenny Omega.

[Hero!]

https://youtu.be/a129MRxmI8A

Fuck that is cool. That’s good shit.

[Donald]

Nice that they continue to bash WWE.

[Jordo]

Nice that they continue to bash WWE.

Well "they" isn't exactly correct. It's an unscripted promo from Joey so it's more Joey bashing WWE than "they"

[Donald]

Well "they" isn't exactly correct. It's an unscripted promo from Joey so it's more Joey bashing WWE than "they"

I understand, but it's a pre-made video, so someone in the company thought "That sounds great let's keep that in"

[Matthew]

it's meant to build the story of the match, and it does that well. if you came away from it just thinking that it's an anti-wwe piece, then you are a moron or you just have a shitty new gimmick.

[Nash Diesel]

it's meant to build the story of the match, and it does that well. if you came away from it just thinking that it's an anti-wwe piece, then you are a moron or you just have a shitty new gimmick.

There was definitely some digs at the WWE in that promo so I can understand certain fans who are just completely sick of AEW throwing shade toward the WWE because it's been a very cringey approach for many many years.

[Donald]

If I'm a moron or a gimmick poster, so be it, at least I'm not a piece of shit asshole.

The way it was worded, mentioning "PG", etc. was certainly a dig at WWE. He could have gotten his point across fine without those shots.

[Psycho666Soldier]

If I'm a moron or a gimmick poster, so be it, at least I'm not a piece of shit asshole.

The way it was worded, mentioning "PG", etc. was certainly a dig at WWE. He could have gotten his point across fine without those shots.

The point of the promo wasn't anti-WWE. It was about Moxley being a shadow of his former self because he couldn't be the real Moxley in WWE.

[Matthew]

they are also factual elements of his character and part of the match build-up. i don't know why you get so angry and sensitive about it. weird as fuck.

[Nash Diesel]

The point of the promo wasn't anti-WWE. It was about Moxley being a shadow of his former self because he couldn't be the real Moxley in WWE.

So anti-WWE lol


they are also factual elements of his character and part of the match build-up. i don't know why you get so angry and sensitive about it. weird as fuck.

Naw dude you are weird as fuck with your constant desire to shit on people's opinions like you have all the answers. Quit being a dork.

[G-Fresh]

at least I'm not a piece of shit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpMNwFSLJxg

[Matthew]

Naw dude you are weird as fuck with your constant desire to shit on people's opinions like you have all the answers. Quit being a dork.how ironic

[Psycho666Soldier]

So anti-WWE lol



Naw dude you are weird as fuck with your constant desire to shit on people's opinions like you have all the answers. Quit being a dork.
*Shrug* Take it as you will. The promo wasn't meant to be a dig at WWE and is the kind of fodder that should always be used in promos. It wasn't like Janela was cutting a promo saying, "WWE sucks and everyone should come to AEW and watch our show and never watch WWE again.". That's not what the promo was. It used an aspect of real life to fuel the match with Moxley and make it seem like it matters more than just a neat match-up on a piece of paper. anti-WWE was such a small part of it that it's silly for Donald to be bitching about it.

[Nash Diesel]

how ironic

?


*Shrug* Take it as you will. The promo wasn't meant to be a dig at WWE and is the kind of fodder that should always be used in promos. It wasn't like Janela was cutting a promo saying, "WWE sucks and everyone should come to AEW and watch our show and never watch WWE again.". That's not what the promo was. It used an aspect of real life to fuel the match with Moxley and make it seem like it matters more than just a neat match-up on a piece of paper. anti-WWE was such a small part of it that it's silly for Donald to be bitching about it.

I don't think it's silly. I think it's typical of certain fans and we've seen it a lot these last few days where anyone who speaks ill of non-WWE promotions they're somehow "bitching" but talent from other places like NJPW or AEW are ok......

[Psycho666Soldier]

?



I don't think it's silly. I think it's typical of certain fans and we've seen it a lot these last few days where anyone who speaks ill of non-WWE promotions they're somehow "bitching" but talent from other places like NJPW or AEW are ok......

I honestly think it's silly on both sides. I don't care about all that.
I'm talking about right here and now, and I think it's silly to bitch about a damn storyline. If he wants to bitch about Cody destroying HHH's throne or something, be my guest. But this is such a silly nitpick of a small part of an otherwise cool promo. It's no different than when people cut promos saying, "But this is the big leagues. You're not wrestling in a bingo hall any more."

I don't hear him complaining about that.

[Spedizzo]

that is a cool promo. the production and sound quality was a bit shit though.

why are these guys feuding though? whats the backstory?

[Psycho666Soldier]

that is a cool promo. the production and sound quality was a bit shit though.

why are these guys feuding though? whats the backstory?

That's the thing. There isn't a lot. Essentially, both are just known for deathmatch style wrestling so it was booked as a sort of dream match. I assume they've traded some barbs on the YouTube series', but adding this later in this one promo made it seem more personal. And that's why I think to take away, "Oh, Janela was just shitting on WWE" from the promo is to miss the entire point.

[Tainted Eclipse]

one criticism i will level against AEW is how they're treating their world title. the way they've gone about it really doesn't make it feel like a big deal. adam page was in a geek match on the first show and doesn't look to be doing anything really attention-getting until his title match with jericho. i don't think any of it will matter much once they get on TV with a strong champ (jericho) already crowned, but they could have done this a lot better.

[Nash Diesel]

I honestly think it's silly on both sides. I don't care about all that.
I'm talking about right here and now, and I think it's silly to bitch about a damn storyline. If he wants to bitch about Cody destroying HHH's throne or something, be my guest. But this is such a silly nitpick of a small part of an otherwise cool promo. It's no different than when people cut promos saying, "But this is the big leagues. You're not wrestling in a bingo hall any more."

I don't hear him complaining about that.

If we're talking about RIGHT HERE AND NOW, why bring up some hypothetical promo that you think he may or may not complain about?

Your example makes absolutely no sense lol. So he's "complaining" about a promo being anti-WWE, but he should also complain about a promo that's PRO-WWE? Lol. what the fuck? That's probably why he's not complaining if say Roman Reigns tells Tommy Dreamer that the WWE isn't a bingo hall it's the big leagues.............Because Donald agrees with Roman because it's a PRO WWE COMMENT.

[Psycho666Soldier]

If we're talking about RIGHT HERE AND NOW, why bring up some hypothetical promo that you think he may or may not complain about?

Your example makes absolutely no sense lol. So he's "complaining" about a promo being anti-WWE, but he should also complain about a promo that's PRO-WWE? Lol. what the fuck? That's probably why he's not complaining if say Roman Reigns tells Tommy Dreamer that the WWE isn't a bingo hall it's the big leagues.............Because Donald agrees with Roman because it's a PRO WWE COMMENT.

My point is a comment like that in a promo is anti-Indy. It's meant to belittle everything the performer did outside the promotion. And it's common use in promos that make feuds feel like they have more weight. While some real feelings might be involved, the point isn't about being anti-Indy, it's about how it plays a part in the conflict between two wrestlers. And that's great storytelling. To overlook that to say, "But fuck Roman for saying the Indies are shit" is just missing out on a good piece of wrestling entertainment.

Donald's free to enjoy whatever he wants, and I know he's actually given occasional praise to AEW. But that won't stop me from thinking his comments about a 2-minute promo are petty as fuck.

But at this point, I'm arguing with someone else about a comment that someone else made, and I think that's dumb. So add more if you want Nash, but I'm moving on.

AEW IS GREAT AND IS GONNA KILL WWE YOU GUYS OMG

[Nash Diesel]

My point is a comment like that in a promo is anti-Indy. It's meant to belittle everything the performer did outside the promotion. And it's common use in promos that make feuds feel like they have more weight. While some real feelings might be involved, the point isn't about being anti-Indy, it's about how it plays a part in the conflict between two wrestlers. And that's great storytelling. To overlook that to say, "But fuck Roman for saying the Indies are shit" is just missing out on a good piece of wrestling entertainment.

Donald's free to enjoy whatever he wants, and I know he's actually given occasional praise to AEW. But that won't stop me from thinking his comments about a 2-minute promo are petty as fuck.

But at this point, I'm arguing with someone else about a comment that someone else made, and I think that's dumb. So add more if you want Nash, but I'm moving on.

AEW IS GREAT AND IS GONNA KILL WWE YOU GUYS OMG

But why would Donald complain about an anti-indy promo?

At this point it's evolved a little more into just the whole idea that too many companies rely on trying to bury WWE and some fans do get annoyed with it. So if they read a little too deep into a promo where they in fact knocked the WWE, then don't just chalk it up to Donald being a bitch about it.

[Murphy]

Show ordered. :hyper:

[Hero!]

that is a cool promo. the production and sound quality was a bit shit though.

why are these guys feuding though? whats the backstory?

Mox used to be the Internet deathmatch indie scene guy who would cut these great shakes can promos. Janela has “quit” deathmatch wrestling, but he’s very well known for his penchant to build up to these deathmatches where he takes insane bumps (look up he and zandig going off a roof). The story here is that Janela is the “bad boy” of wrestling these days who does all the cigarette smoking and cutting his own style promos - a lot of the shit Mox used to do. Now that Moxley is back, Janela doubts that Mox still has that violent drive that used to make him Jon fucking Moxley and Mox is ready to prove to Janela, and the world, that he’s more than the wacky Ambrose character and that he’s still one sick son of a bitch.

[Sinner]

I don't know where to post this, so this feels like the best place

I do not see the appeal of Flip Gordon, at all.

at all.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Amen

[Donald]

Be careful about a negative opinion about something, you'll be told you're wrong.

[Hero!]

I don't know where to post this, so this feels like the best place

I do not see the appeal of Flip Gordon, at all.

at all.

Hes pretty slow for a cruiserweight.

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Be careful about a negative opinion about something, you'll be told you're wrong.

Thats not at all what happens to you and you know it. Stop playing the victim.

[Morrison]

Hes pretty slow for a cruiserweight.

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Thats not at all what happens to you and you know it. Stop playing the victim.

makes even less sense since almost all the negative opinions about the wwe he sees he tries to minimize by saying it's just people trying to 'be cool' by hating on them. the passive aggressive moping is not only lame, but hypocritical.

[Murphy]

I don't know where to post this, so this feels like the best place

I do not see the appeal of Flip Gordon, at all.

at all.

Don’t recall ever seeing him, but I don’t get Orange Cassidy. Fuck that shit.

[Hero!]

Orange Cassidy when he’s actuay wrestling is very, very good. Much better than Flippy Gordo.

[Eddie Brock]

I'll never understand the appeal of Flip Gordon. He's your everyday Indy wrestler.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Don’t recall ever seeing him, but I don’t get Orange Cassidy. Fuck that shit.

At least he has controversial schtick, so I get not seeing appeal. Flip is just boring and generic in every instance I've ever seen him.

[Matthew]

orange being rocked to sleep and avoiding being pinned made me giggle a bit.

[Donald]

Should be a good show tonight. Looking forward to it.

[Murphy]

Buy In at half past, yeah?

[BGMaverick]

I think we're at an interesting discussion point now for the company.

We've see one legit show, one semi cross branded show, and a benefit show. Do we feel better or worse about the prospects of AEW for the next year and beyond?

Just a quick look at pros and cons:

Pros
- The wrestling is showing promise of being very good. They provide nice diversity in terms of talent and the actual outline or flow of matches when you go across the card.
- They're willing to try different things in terms of venues and production themes.
- There's plenty of potential with their developing performers. MJF, Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy, Darby Allin amongst others are under the radar performers that have a chance to build over time.
- Joshi performers are a nice element that provide further depth to a relatively thin division.
- Tag team wrestling is definitely a strength for them.

Cons
- Production still seems to be an issue. The finish of Fight for the Fallen was so clunky and really a bad look.
- Commentary. They need to move Marvez to a backstage or ringside act and use him in that role. Otherwise, Excalibur is solid and JR should be passable in his role.
- Booking can still be remotely questionable right now when it comes to timing out matches.
- Ancillary storytelling through backstage segments or interviews leaves a lot to the imagination at this point. They're not really using it.

For now, I think there's still enough good to outweigh the bad and they've got foundational pieces that can lead to upward growth. Again, it's just going to be a matter of if they can get a viewership, maintain it, and build on it.

[Nash Diesel]

For me it's still too early. As a wrestling fan of 30+ years, I've seen so much that it's hard to gauge where a company will be down the road based on 3 shows. We need to see the weekly show, we need to see the rivalries. They have the benefit of social media, websites, etc. that can help establish talent, rivalries leading up to October when they debut on TNT so that's good.

Then we can see what kind of company they want to be. Are they going to be sports entertainment and tell stories and build their tv show based on the WWE blueprint....Or will they try to stay more along the lines of NOAH or New Japan where there's not a lot of emphasis on "acting" so to speak. For example, I don't remember the last New Japan show where a big dude flipped over a semi in protest to the NJPW authority figure lol.

[Donald]

I think it will be easier for AEW when they have their weekly show. Then we can get behind the wrestlers because we will know who they are, their backstory and motivations. Right now, for me, and I had this problem with the Evolve show I watched on Saturday, was it was just two guys I haven't heard of fighting. The only matches that interested me were the ones that involved familiar talent. I'm excited to learn more about talent, and that will make the big PPV shows even greater.

[Nash Diesel]

I think it will be easier for AEW when they have their weekly show. Then we can get behind the wrestlers because we will know who they are, their backstory and motivations. Right now, for me, and I had this problem with the Evolve show I watched on Saturday, was it was just two guys I haven't heard of fighting. The only matches that interested me were the ones that involved familiar talent. I'm excited to learn more about talent, and that will make the big PPV shows even greater.

Exactly! I have no issues with watching a wrestling match between people I'm not familiar with but it doesn't hurt to have a little backstory to go along with it. Unless it's literally just a match to have a match. But at least I would know the characters involved.

[BGMaverick]

I would say that Evolve show did a much better job of outlining characters and motivations compared to what AEW has done within a given show. AEW does take advantage of social media to build things up but not so much during the actual show. Also, their buy-ins have not been that good in terms of trying to suggest someone who casually came across it on YouTube needs to get B/R Live or whatever to actually watch the show. The things on the buy-ins have been well below par to the actual shows.

Also...I really wouldn't put it past WWE to use this as a soft opening of sorts with Evolve and the Network. It's been rumored for so long, in the addition of tiered pricing. But the long game would be that FS1 gets NXT and there's competition on Wednesday nights and Evolve takes over NXT's slot on the Network. In this hypothetical, I would assume Takeovers still remain on the Network but the weekly shows go to FS1.

[Nash Diesel]

There is so much content on the Network, the last thing I personally want to deal with is a company that's the farm league to the farm league. Half the show consisted of talent already in the WWE.

[Donald]

There is so much content on the Network, the last thing I personally want to deal with is a company that's the farm league to the farm league. Half the show consisted of talent already in the WWE.

The issue I had with the Evolve show was the main event. Do you really think WWE would have Tozawa win the NXT title, when to the best of my knowledge he has never bene on NXT? I would have rather seen Drew Gulak vs Tozawa and Cole vs Riddle.

[Nash Diesel]

The issue I had with the Evolve show was the main event. Do you really think WWE would have Tozawa win the NXT title, when to the best of my knowledge he has never bene on NXT? I would have rather seen Drew Gulak vs Tozawa and Cole vs Riddle.

That's what I was thinking. Those matches made zero sense. They were cool to see but made no sense.

[Donald]

Is Chris Jericho still good? I haven't seen him since he last appeared in WWE, I guess it was the Greatest Royal Rumble. I know he's pushing 50. I'm guessing the thought process is having a recognizable name to pull viewers in, but I hope they don't put the world title on him. I think I heard he's got a gut going on, which is fine I suppose because we all have one.

[BGMaverick]

He's embracing more of a brawler, working outside of the ring approach. Certainly alleviates some of the concern of working a more technical match but he's still capable in the ring.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW having their first World champion come down to Adam Page or Chris Jericho is a very odd decision if you ask me. And we've discussed why quite a bit but oh well lol. Jericho is a very recognizable name and the AEW fanbase for the most part has a ton of respect and love for Jericho. I can respect why he would be in this position.

Adam Page on the other hand.......I don't really ever hear a lot of buzz for the guy. He doesn't have much of a personality, his wrestling ability is average, and he looks like average. Plus, where are his fans? HIS fans. Not the fans of Bullet Club or AEW, but Adam Page fans. Where are they? So you're willing to put the belt on a guy IMHO just to do something way out of left field.

Remember when NWA-TNA came about and the last 2 men that battle royal for the new NWA World champion came down to was Ken Shamrock and Malice aka the Wall? Yeah this is what it reminds me of. But at least the NWA belt wasn't a brand brand new championship. So having Ken win it, and then lose 2-3 weeks later, it wasn't that big of a deal I guess but it was still fucking strange.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Watching the Tony Khan interview post-Fight for the Fallen, and twice now he's name-dropped Champaign, IL as the place he grew up, which is where I currently live. That's crazy to think, but it also makes so much damn sense the more I see this dude.

A more relevant and hilarious tidbit from the interview was that he got the idea for the venue set-up from the WTF episode of South Park :lol:

[Morrison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sKy0veFfY

this video is great. very nice recap of some FFTF stuff by big tony schiavone, and that hangman vingette was fantastic. very, very simple, but made me feel any kind of way about page for the first time ever. him ripping the stitches out was badass.

the spears interview was good. i loved that they filmed it in some executive suite at the jags stadium instead of some tight, dimly lit room like WWE does for the michael cole sit-down stuff. bright and open. i really liked JR here, though spears part felt very much like he was cutting a wrestling promo, whereas JR was very casual and conversational. but the point they were trying to get across worked well, and spears bringing in tully blanchard at the end was a nice surprise.

i hope we can expect more of this kind of stuff heading forward and onto the weekly tv.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I kind of get the feeling the Road To shows have been more of a taste of what we can expect from the TV shows, at least as far as the backstage, non-arena stuff. I'll have to give this one a watch soon. Sounds like good stuff.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

AEW's willingness to give anybody a shot is great. And terrible.

Darby Allin? Good.

A guy with no legs who looks like a sack of potatoes in a battle royal? Bad.

Jungle Boy? Good.

Jimmy Havoc? Fucking terrible.

You get the idea.

Alex Marvez still looks like a hostage reading a prepared statement at gunpoint every time he's on camera. Excalibur would be great if they'd just take the mask off. Announcers don't need gimmicks. Its stupid. Jim Ross is a good anchor and a good lead guy for the younger dudes and the terrorist hostages reading prepared statements under the penalty of death. Keep him, he's good.

AEW has the potential to take on WWE in terms of budget and presentation. In terms of wrestling, they're there. They just need to cut down on the worst habits of their booking, ditch the WrestleCrap bullshit (Sunny Kiss, the pocket dumb fuck, the sack of potatoes, the librarians, the stupid cunt with the baby oil) and focus on all the shit that works. They're 99% of the way there. Its the 1% of the stupid shit that's going to make them look like idiots and lose them viewers.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW's willingness to give anybody a shot is great. And terrible.

Darby Allin? Good.

A guy with no legs who looks like a sack of potatoes in a battle royal? Bad.

Jungle Boy? Good.

Jimmy Havoc? Fucking terrible.

You get the idea.

Alex Marvez still looks like a hostage reading a prepared statement at gunpoint every time he's on camera. Excalibur would be great if they'd just take the mask off. Announcers don't need gimmicks. Its stupid. Jim Ross is a good anchor and a good lead guy for the younger dudes and the terrorist hostages reading prepared statements under the penalty of death. Keep him, he's good.

AEW has the potential to take on WWE in terms of budget and presentation. In terms of wrestling, they're there. They just need to cut down on the worst habits of their booking, ditch the WrestleCrap bullshit (Sunny Kiss, the pocket dumb fuck, the sack of potatoes, the librarians, the stupid cunt with the baby oil) and focus on all the shit that works. They're 99% of the way there. Its the 1% of the stupid shit that's going to make them look like idiots and lose them viewers.

In Excalibur's defense he is just sticking to Lucha tradition. He used to be a wrestler so that's why he still dons the mask.

And what do you mean announcers don't need gimmicks? Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler are probably the most iconic duo in pro wrestling broadcasting. Notice how Lawler fell off once he ditched the King attire and JR is ass without his hat.

[Sinner]

AEW is trying too hard to be "inclusive" but wrestling only works when the wrestlers are "must see".

I don't care if you are bisexual, asexual, a dinosaur, two gendered, 1 gendered, a weird spectrum-changing gender. just be good at wrestling.

I dont need to see a mexican, a woman, a black person, a gay person, a disabled person, a japanese person, a canadian, a british guy, an american, a russian, and a furry on every show. Can't leave anyone out.

Stupid

[greebull]

JUST ANNOUNCED:

AEW will air LIVE every Wednesday night on TNT from 8PM ET to 10PM ET starting October 2. And the first show is in DC!

[Donald]

Can't wait.

[Nash Diesel]

JUST ANNOUNCED:

AEW will air LIVE every Wednesday night on TNT from 8PM ET to 10PM ET starting October 2. And the first show is in DC!

Very exciting. They're smart. Wednesday is really the only night they could fuck with. Monday/Tuesday are not in their best interest RIGHT NOW. Thursday is a hot night for prime time and the weekends fucking blow.

Although correct me if I'm wrong, by this time SD will be on Friday's on Fox so maybe Tuesday wouldn't have been that bad.

[BGMaverick]

It would have been a problem with Turner because they will air NBA on Tuesday's during the second half of the season. Monday probably wasn't ideal because they don't want to go right against Raw, same for Friday. So that really only left Wednesday.

[Nash Diesel]

It would have been a problem with Turner because they will air NBA on Tuesday's during the second half of the season. Monday probably wasn't ideal because they don't want to go right against Raw, same for Friday. So that really only left Wednesday.

Ah yeah NBA on Turesdays, forgot about that. Wednesday works out great for them imo. Maybe some kids might be at church that night but other than that, Wrestling on Wednesday=fuck yeah. NXT, NXT UK, and AEW on the same night? Dope.

[BigAl]

Very cool. Definitely looking forward to this.

[Nash Diesel]

If Lex Luger doesn't show up unannounced it'll be a flop.

[BGMaverick]

As for right now, I'd probably watch NXT live and then watch AEW later. To be honest, I probably wouldn't watch either live but NXT would get the first view. Can easily change over time, but that's how I'm looking at it...not that anybody cares.

[Nash Diesel]

As for right now, I'd probably watch NXT live and then watch AEW later. To be honest, I probably wouldn't watch either live but NXT would get the first view. Can easily change over time, but that's how I'm looking at it...not that anybody cares.

haha. I care!

Having the luxury of being able to watch NXT whenever I want is probably what will keep me watching AEW live and then NXT after. Now, if they move NXT to FS1 then that will be a tough call.

[BGMaverick]

haha. I care!

Having the luxury of being able to watch NXT whenever I want is probably what will keep me watching AEW live and then NXT after. Now, if they move NXT to FS1 then that will be a tough call.

Lol, thanks.

Next to nothing in terms of episodic wrestling is getting a live watch from me but I’ll generally watch shortly after something starts and catch up. I was making my outline regardless of FS1 or not. I do think NXT is going to FS1 and it’s just a matter of when. Regardless of 1 or 2 hours for NXT, it’d still get my first viewing for Wednesday wrestling. Need to see more from AEW and the actual TV product before considering switching the order.

[Nash Diesel]

Lol, thanks.

Next to nothing in terms of episodic wrestling is getting a live watch from me but I’ll generally watch shortly after something starts and catch up. I was making my outline regardless of FS1 or not. I do think NXT is going to FS1 and it’s just a matter of when. Regardless of 1 or 2 hours for NXT, it’d still get my first viewing for Wednesday wrestling. Need to see more from AEW and the actual TV product before considering switching the order.

See I think if I don't give AEW the benefit of the doubt right off the bat and don't watch it live (considering I have no clue if they'll have past episodes on some on-demand type service), then I'll never be totally into it. I'm just like that. Like with these fucking Marvel movies. I couuldn't just go to Black Panther and call it good lol. I'd have to go back and start with Iron Man or whatever was first. Or not fuck with it at all.

We're too old.

[ckauffman28]

so far for the first 10/2 tnt show is

Cody vs Sammy Guevara
Young bucks and Kenny Omega vs Chris Jecicho and two mystery partners

[Donald]

Geriatricho says we won't believe who his partners are. Probably Knobs and Saggs.

[Nash Diesel]

Geriatricho says we won't believe who his partners are. Probably Knobs and Saggs.

Jericho's pretty slick so I'm thinking we're not even thinking outside the box enough. The Outsiders? Or maybe it's 2 guys that aren't even a team. Maybe we're looking at Jon Moxley, who attacked Jericho so people would be like "Whoa I thought they hated each other?", and maybe John Morrison as a "wtf" moment.

[BGMaverick]

I'm prepared to be underwhelmed because Jericho has been underwhelming since DON.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm prepared to be underwhelmed because Jericho has been underwhelming since DON.

To be fair, what exactly has he even done since Double or Nothing? A bunch of Fozzy shows and beating up Adam Page.

[BGMaverick]

The beatdown was nothing new, the promo at Fight for the Fallen was unscripted (as he boasted) and you could tell because it was bloated/rehashing the promo within the promo, and he meandered again on BTE. His gimmick is fine, but he’s not nearly impressive as a talker right now.

[Nash Diesel]

The beatdown was nothing new, the promo at Fyter Fest was terrible, and he meandered again on BTE.

Well yeah I mean people getting beatdown in wrestling isn't exactly groundbreaking after 60 years and running lol.

I need to watch BTE. I never have time to and when I do have time I forget about it and check out something like 83 weeks instead. I wasn't negative to the promo @ Fyter Fest, but I'm also not a big Jericho guy. A lot of people hold him to a very high standard, he's shelled out some turds both on the mic and in the ring. I didn't start liking him until he started the 2nd feud with HBK and he had the new trunks and short hair.

[BGMaverick]

Well yeah I mean people getting beatdown in wrestling isn't exactly groundbreaking after 60 years and running lol.

I need to watch BTE. I never have time to and when I do have time I forget about it and check out something like 83 weeks instead. I wasn't negative to the promo @ Fyter Fest, but I'm also not a big Jericho guy. A lot of people hold him to a very high standard, he's shelled out some turds both on the mic and in the ring. I didn't start liking him until he started the 2nd feud with HBK and he had the new trunks and short hair.

I’d say what he did with his NJPW or even All-In attacks were a nice or relatively fresh spin. Both mask gags played off the fact it had to do with his opponent or the attacked person had just faced a person who had that mask.

It just feels like he thinks he needs to keep talking because he knows he can. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I felt like he could the FF promo twice in the span of one go lol. It was kind of funny that he presented himself as a big deal and probably inadvertently showed he was beside a convenience store or gas station to cut his BTE mailbag promo.

[Nash Diesel]

I’d say what he did with his NJPW or even All-In attacks were a nice or relatively fresh spin. Both mask gags played off the fact it had to do with his opponent or the attacked person had just faced a person who had that mask.

It just feels like he thinks he needs to keep talking because he knows he can. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. I felt like he could the FF promo twice in the span of one go lol. It was kind of funny that he presented himself as a big deal and probably inadvertently showed he was beside a convenience store or gas station to cut his BTE mailbag promo.

My boss met Bill Murray at a gas station and it wasn't some Back to the Future 2 pimp shit lol.

And the masks....I imagine there would be people going "oh he did the mask thing AGAIN? How original....." Win some you lose some. I have faith in Jericho delivering here. Even if it's something out of left field like Lance Storm and Dean Malenko.

[Donald]

I don't think this boom that people are thinking about is going to happen. It had it's peak, and I don't think it's going to rise again. AEW may start out strong, no doubt about it, but ratings will drop after a month or two.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't think this boom that people are thinking about is going to happen. It had it's peak, and I don't think it's going to rise again. AEW may start out strong, no doubt about it, but ratings will drop after a month or two.

The problem is we're anticipating something that can't be predicted. Just like WWE trying to mold a Rock/Steve Austin level star with Roman Reigns for example. They think catching lightning in a bottle is like catching a beach ball.

The thing with trying to attach AEW to a wrestling boom is that they're unproven. At least WCW had all that NWA history intertwined and a presence in the industry for many years on TBS leading up to the debut of Nitro. It's also a totally different era in terms of how we digest what we watch. So I think the definition of a "wrestling boom period" should also be redefined because 24 years ago when the MNW started you didn't have any options other than cable tv to watch Nitro and Raw.

Now....the platforms are much more diverse and convenient. Not to mention, pro wrestling isn't the only major niche form of entertainment. That's why it was so strong in certain periods in the past.

[Morrison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvQIi7-5Tbo

aew on tnt locations for weeks two and three announced. week two in boston, week three in philly. i'll definitely be trying to go to the philly show.

[greebull]

JUST ANNOUNCED FOR "ALL OUT"...

21-WOMAN ‘CASINO BATTLE ROYALE’ FOR #1 CONTENDERSHIP:
Aja Kong vs. Allie vs. Awesome Kong vs. Bea Priestley vs. Brandi Rhodes vs. Britt Baker vs. Hikaru Shida vs. Ivellise vs. Jazz vs. Kylie Rae vs. Leva Bates vs. Nyla Rose vs. Penelope Ford vs. Riho vs. Teal Piper
vs. 6 other mystery entrants

[Murphy]

On the 'Buy In' show.

[greebull]

NEW MATCH ANNOUNCED FOR "ALL OUT"

WOMEN'S MATCH:
Hikaru Shida vs. Riho

[Morrison]

they also announced earlier this week that the first defense of the AEW championship is taking place in philadelphia on the third episode of the TNT show. tickets go on sale in less than a half hour, i'm hoping to scoop up two.

[Morrison]

managed to get two at the cheapest price point. the arena they're running is small, so there's not a bad seat in the place. corner of the arena, facing the ring and stage, so really kinda perfect for $20 per ticket(plus $30 for those asinine fees).

[BGMaverick]

Ticket companies are a big scam in general.

[Donald]

managed to get two at the cheapest price point. the arena they're running is small, so there's not a bad seat in the place. corner of the arena, facing the ring and stage, so really kinda perfect for $20 per ticket(plus $30 for those asinine fees).

That's great, should be fun. Take some pics for us :)

[Morrison]

Ticket companies are a big scam in general.
it's why i dont bother going to shows in bigger arenas. even here, it's a college arena for temple and the fees were still nearly double the price of the tickets.

[BGMaverick]

it's why i dont bother going to shows in bigger arenas. even here, it's a college arena for temple and the fees were still nearly double the price of the tickets.

I don’t know how they’re not regulated better. It’s like, why is the charge so much? I don’t know how it was 10-15 years ago, or even further back, but they clearly don’t roll out all of the tickets immediately. It’s like a percentage of them, and then more a few minutes later (maybe even better than the initial rollout allotment). It’s an incredibly flawed system, not geared to the consumer whatsoever.

[Morrison]

philly show is also getting the first defense of the women's title.

[Gampo]

I gotta be honest here.. I was super psyched for AEW and for me it just hasn't lived up to the hype so far. A few of the matches have been very good/entertaining but from what I've seen I'm just not overly impressed overall.. as it sits right now about 85% of their roster doesn't impress me or even inspire me to watch. I hope they continue to improve their roster and product but as it sits now I find it very mediocre with only a few bright spots. It might be because its just the start and they're learning on the fly but it comes off as overly gimmicky and cheesy and not in the good/fun way that pro wrestling should be but in the cringey "why am I watching this crap?" way.

Come on AEW get your **** together.. I really, really want to like you.

[Donald]

I gotta be honest here.. I was super psyched for AEW and for me it just hasn't lived up to the hype so far. A few of the matches have been very good/entertaining but from what I've seen I'm just not overly impressed overall.. as it sits right now about 85% of their roster doesn't impress me or even inspire me to watch. I hope they continue to improve their roster and product but as it sits now I find it very mediocre with only a few bright spots. It might be because its just the start and they're learning on the fly but it comes off as overly gimmicky and cheesy and not in the good/fun way that pro wrestling should be but in the cringey "why am I watching this crap?" way.

Come on AEW get your **** together.. I really, really want to like you.

Once they have a weekly show and are able to explain characters and start storylines, it will be better.

[Rancid_Planet]

Come on AEW get your **** together.. I really, really want to like you.

OMG that's a T-Shirt.

[Gampo]

I happen to make custom shirts for a living.. I could make that happen. :lol:

[Peter Griffin]

Moxleys out.

[Defrost]

The match is now PAC vs Omega

[Peter Griffin]

Could be a worse replacement I guess.

[Morrison]

omega/mox felt big, but tbh, pac/omega will probably be the hetter match between the ropes.

[BGMaverick]

Considering the complications he apparently came across for his last elbow injury, this seems like a very crappy and scary situation for him.

[Rancid_Planet]

These staph infections are such a bitch to get rid of. Hopefully he gets over for good this time. Really sucks for the show though.

[Ringo]

Huge blow for AEW. What a shame. PAC is probably the best possible replacement though.

[VHS]

Word is also that Fenix "broke" his leg last night, but Taya said he's fine. I swear Fenix and Penta do this all the time.

[Sasori]

So we we're actually getting Pac v Omega? :hyper:

[Donald]

AEW has signed the greatest announcer in the history of this sport, Tony Schiavone. That'll put butts in seats.

[Nash Diesel]

Jesus Christ, so do they have like a 9-man booth now? lol.

TNA
TNA
TNA

My bad

AE dub
AE dub
AE dub

At least TNA didn't try to get on TNT or TBS. Or did they............

[Donald]

Jesus Christ, so do they have like a 9-man booth now? lol.

TNA
TNA
TNA

My bad

AE dub
AE dub
AE dub

At least TNA didn't try to get on TNT or TBS. Or did they............

To be fair, I don't know if he's being brought in to announce, he could just be doing backstage work, or working with younger commentators on their game.

[BGMaverick]

They've got more than enough people for diversity to cover commentary and backstage work. Look at a typical WWE TV event: they've got 3 commentators and at least 2-3 backstage people. It's not like AEW is that much different in terms of quantity.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW is doing their best to do what most newbies do in the entertainment industry and that's rehash something that was amazing 20 years ago in their own vision. I say good luck. But how many more remakes do we need?

[Ringo]

To be fair, I don't know if he's being brought in to announce, he could just be doing backstage work, or working with younger commentators on their game.

Sounds like he might not be in the booth much...


From last nights Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer clarified what the situation is with AEW’s announce team. Stating the the recent press release was not accurate.

The current line up planned is Jim Ross, Excalibur, and Goldenboy moving forward.

Tony Schiavone will be helping with backstage segments and video packages. But is on a limited schedule as he can really only do Wednesday’s for now. (He works for MLW, University of Georgia’s college football announce team, etc.) But will most likely also do some announcing depending on the match. (Think how WWE would bring in JR for big match ups at Mania as an example.)

Alex Marvez is still with the company and will most likely help with backstage interviews & video packages. There is still thought that he will do some announcing in the future.

[Tainted Eclipse]

dustin signed a multi year extension, meltzer reports that he's going to be a regular on the active roster as well as a coach. by far the thing im most excited about for AEW is the prospect of more big time dustin matches.

[Murphy]

Pleased to read that about Dustin.

I’ve ordered for tomorrow night. Bring it on!

[Nash Diesel]

dustin signed a multi year extension, meltzer reports that he's going to be a regular on the active roster as well as a coach. by far the thing im most excited about for AEW is the prospect of more big time dustin matches.

For real or sarcasm?

[3puppies]

This is a no-brainer for AEW. Dustin is an amazing talent who can still go, and he is in a spot in his life where he can be a really great coach if he's motivated. I have listened to him in a few interviews and I really like the way he breaks down a match, and talks about little things that help tell the story. Plus, when other wrestlers talk about working with him, they pretty much all say he's a terrific worker who helped them get to another level.

I am sorry that it means we won't get to see him in the HOF for a few more years.

Given the number of surgeries he's had, and all of painkillers he has taken, it's truly amazing he's in such terrific shape now, especially considering how so many guys he worked with aren't around anymore.

[Tainted Eclipse]

For real or sarcasm?

Of course for real

[Nash Diesel]

Of course for real

I mean I guess people were excited when Rick Martel signed to the WCW in 1997-1998 so I guess lol. I like Dustin Rhodes, Goldust, I just don't know if I'm the fan anticipating anything he's going to do.

[VHS]

I mean I guess people were excited when Rick Martel signed to the WCW in 1997-1998 so I guess lol. I like Dustin Rhodes, Goldust, I just don't know if I'm the fan anticipating anything he's going to do.

We're devastated by that.

[Nash Diesel]

We're devastated by that.

You're corny.

[Matthew]

who the fuck is 'we' anyway?

what a mope

[Jitters]

I've bought in, wanna see how this goes tonight very intrigued by how this plays out, shame Moxley ain't there though.

[ckauffman28]

Enzo and cass are in Chicago tonight ������

[Peter Griffin]

Enzo and cass are in Chicago tonight ������

Would be cool if just Cass.

[Tainted Eclipse]

enzo and cass have fallen into disgrace but let's not forget enzo was one of the best promos of the last 10 years. they could be a great heel act for AEW.

[Peter Griffin]

enzo and cass have fallen into disgrace but let's not forget enzo was one of the best promos of the last 10 years. they could be a great heel act for AEW.

Csss is on the way back up bro.

[Nash Diesel]

Enzo is dope, Cass is a good looking big man especially now that he's in real good shape (I think due to DDP Yoga). The only real obstacle is that WWE, AEW, etc. need to realize that fans like shitting on wrestlers. They like sitting behind the barricade and popping off knowing 99.9% of the time nothing is going to happen. They especially like to boo wrestlers that are actually contributing in a way they're too ignorant to see.

My good friend Matt, when he shits on Enzo, it's literally just about his wrestling ability not being up to par. And the example he will give are so ridiculous to compare, such as him literally telling me Enzo isn't Neville........No shit. Neville had zero personality until the WWE hooked him up and even now he's pretty whack. Great to watch, that's about it for me.

Enzo is a guy who doesn't need to be that good in the ring. Go back to the 80's and 90's, the most over guys for the most part worked like shit compared to today's standards. But work rate has never been a draw in pro wrestling or Shawn Michaels wouldn't have had even worse numbers than Diesel. And Diesel wouldn't have gone on to be one of the biggest names in pro wrestling as Kevin Nash when his work was even WORSE than when he was Diesel lol.

Enzo/Cass would put asses in seats and give the fans something to shit on. But the truth is, Enzo, despite the #metoo bullshit he got caught up in, deserves to at least be acknowledged as one of the best on the stick in years. I would say Enzo is top 10-15 of any company in the last 20 years.

[Morrison]

https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/chris-jericho-has-championship-belt-stolen-or-lost?amp&__twitter_impression=true

so apparently a 'championship wrestling belt' was stolen out of jericho's limo while he ate at a longhorn steakhouse. driver went to the airport to return some wrong luggage that was picked up, came back and the belt was missing.

[Nash Diesel]

Lol.

It's like the wrestling gods dipped in for a minute and tried to make a point.

Where was R-Truth?

[BigAl]

Vince did it so he can Madusa that belt on Raw.

[Nash Diesel]

This was either an elaborate attempt at kayfabing the audience or they're just parlaying this shit into a storyline. Filing a false police report though....Might not be the best thing to do lol.

[lotjx]

I think it's real. The police tweeted they found it.

[Donald]

Looks like Dean Ambrose vs. Kenny Omega at AEW Full Gear in November. Full Gear sounds like a 80s or 90s video game. I like it.

[Peter Griffin]

*Moxley

[Matthew]

uh oh you're gonna make him throw a hissy fit again

[Donald]

Robin of Moxley

[Nash Diesel]

So is it Moxley or Jon Moxley or Dean Moxley? Or just The Mox?

Should be a good match. I read some shit from people going "Oh another loss for Omega, Dean can't lose his AEW debut" Shows that nobody apparently gave a fuck about Fyter Tfest where both guys won lol.

[Donald]

Moxley sounds bad ass.

[BGMaverick]

According to Jericho on his podcast, both Omega and PAC were unhappy with their match with the time allotment being a major sore spot for both. Granted, the match (23:20) didn't feel like it was dragging, but it was the second-longest match of the night. There wasn't a build to their match so I'm not sure they should be THAT bent out of shape. They just needed to do a better job of working under the parameters they were given.

[Nash Diesel]

According to Jericho on his podcast, both Omega and PAC were unhappy with their match with the time allotment being a major sore spot for both. Granted, the match (23:20) didn't feel like it was dragging, but it was the second-longest match of the night. There wasn't a build to their match so I'm not sure they should be THAT bent out of shape. They just needed to do a better job of working under the parameters they were given.

Yeah it's too bad we didn't get a 75 minute match. 23 minutes just isn't long enough apparently.......

[Spudz Mackenzie]

According to Jericho on his podcast, both Omega and PAC were unhappy with their match with the time allotment being a major sore spot for both. Granted, the match (23:20) didn't feel like it was dragging, but it was the second-longest match of the night. There wasn't a build to their match so I'm not sure they should be THAT bent out of shape. They just needed to do a better job of working under the parameters they were given.

Wait until Cornette hears that shit. He already calls Douchey Omega, "Kenny Olivier".

Fuck you, Ken. Not every match needs to be Hamlet, dude.

[Morrison]

Wait until Cornette hears that shit. He already calls Douchey Omega, "Kenny Olivier".

Fuck you, Ken. Not every match needs to be Hamlet, dude.

lol.

[Sinner]

Based on Tradition, the Winner of a Casino Battle Royal (Adam Page) has gone on to lose in the Title Match.

So since Nyla Rose won the Womens Casino Battle Royal, she will lose to Riho.

[Nash Diesel]

Wait until Cornette hears that shit. He already calls Douchey Omega, "Kenny Olivier".

Fuck you, Ken. Not every match needs to be Hamlet, dude.

Fuckin Hamlet lol.

Spudz...please post more in the MMA threads.


Based on Tradition, the Winner of a Casino Battle Royal (Adam Page) has gone on to lose in the Title Match.

So since Nyla Rose won the Womens Casino Battle Royal, she will lose to Riho.

Nyla Rose feels like a dollar store version of Awesome Kong....who they should be using instead. Just not that impressed. Rhio...kinda whack.

Sienna should get signed. She's awesome but has the NWA thing going on so maybe down the road.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Fuckin Hamlet lol.

Spudz...please post more in the MMA threads.

I'd love to, but I don't watch a ton of MMA.

[Sinner]

According to my research, the belt should have been found near JACKSON BLUFF Road.

Is this whole thing a BLUFF perpetrated by the JACKSON Brothers?

Are they Illuminati?

[VHS]

So Jericho vs. Cody now... that's rich. :rolleyes:

[Morrison]

So Jericho vs. Cody now... that's rich. :rolleyes:

cody has been one of the consistently best things about AEW since it launched, and that's coming from someone who couldn't stand him in ROH and new japan. i'm actually fine with this.

[Nash Diesel]

So Jericho vs. Cody now... that's rich. :rolleyes:

He has the best singles record and since they're all about wins and losses it makes sense.

Don't get wrapped up in the whole "he's a vp" talk. Wtf do people expect...Bucks, Omega, and Cody shouldn't challenge for AEW titles?

[BGMaverick]

It's somewhat tricky because the record is something to lean on but it can change before the PPV. It's kind of a tricky spot to be in, but they have to have stuff to sell to help sell tickets.

[Mackdadday]

I hope DDP wearing that Star Trek uniform is his new character..never buying a new one...eventually looking like he lives in the AEW equipment trucks.

[lotjx]

I am fine with Cody/Jericho. Hangman just didn't have any juice to him at the last PPV. They need names in the main event until they can make stars out of Havoc and MJF.

[VHS]

He has the best singles record and since they're all about wins and losses it makes sense.

Don't get wrapped up in the whole "he's a vp" talk. Wtf do people expect...Bucks, Omega, and Cody shouldn't challenge for AEW titles?

Who do you think booked his w/L record?

[Matthew]

yea why have one of the biggest stars, and someone who consistently puts on the best story-driven matches on their cards, challenge for the title?

outrageous

[Nash Diesel]

Who do you think booked his w/L record?

Well...Look @ the roster. Who should be challenging Jericho if not one of the most well known guys on the roster despite their status backstage? That'd be like saying Ric Flair when he was booking shouldn't have put himself in the World title picture of the NWA despite being one of the most over wrestlers on the planet.

AEW needs the name value to draw people in and people want to see it. The people bitching and saying "Oh Cody put himself in that spot" knew it was going to fuckin happen in the first place lol.

And I've been pretty vocal and negative at times with some of their decisions like bringing in old ass Earl Hebner and being on TNT, but the reality is they only have a handful of stars and they can't do Jericho v. Adam Page (who?) too often or people won't take it seriously.

[Donald]

I'd rather see Moxley vs. Jericho.

[Nash Diesel]

I'd rather see Moxley vs. Jericho.

I'm sure we will but they definitely need to get Moxley v. Omega out of the way due to Moxley beating the fuck out of him and vice versa.

[Donald]

It will be a riveting match when it happens.

[Nash Diesel]

It will be a riveting match when it happens.

I thought they had good chemistry in and out of the ring in WWE so I have no doubt they'll continue that solid work in AEW.

[Morrison]

I am fine with Cody/Jericho. Hangman just didn't have any juice to him at the last PPV. They need names in the main event until they can make stars out of Havoc and MJF.

lol jimmy fucking havoc a star.

- - - Updated - - -


Who do you think booked his w/L record?

yaaaaaaaawn.

[VHS]

yaaaaaaaawn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36URL2UaE8c

[chatty]

Cody v Jericho is probably the best tbing they can do especially if they are doing Omega v Mosley and keeping Omega for a redemption run later in the year.

They dont have the star power at the top of the card so they really only have Jericho, Cody, Omega, Mosley, Neville and Dustin as well known wrestlers on the roster.

They need time to build up some of the fresh faces and maybes get a few more in. Cody will lose anyway but its a fair match to make which theybe been building to for months already anyway.

[Nash Diesel]

I get that we're going to start hearing a lot of people moaning about Cody, Omega, and The Bucks positioning themselves at the top but why shouldn't they be? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Matthew]

don't expect an actual reply from the person moaning about it.

[VHS]

I'm sorry, are we not allowed to be critical about things we're excited for?

[Matthew]

the company runners booking themselves/family in the hottest angles is nothing new. vince, flair, dusty, the harts, the blanchards, the poffos, the von erichs, jarretts, inoki, misawa, the fullers/welchs, lawler, etc. have all done it.

so it really isn't much to be critical about.

[Sinner]

if you are critical, then you cant say you like it. [/peoplethesedays]

If you like it, you like EVERYTHING about it. Otherwise you wouldn't say you Like it.

[Matthew]

not at all. i'm all for valid complaints. matches are too long. adam page was booked like shit and given a shot too early. the preshows are mostly garbage. alex marvez. the librarians. and i am sure i can be picky and find a lot more.

but being 'critical' of one their biggest stars booking himself in a main event is a very very low level nitpicky thing. if that.

[Morrison]

not at all. i'm all for valid complaints. matches are too long. adam page was booked like shit and given a shot too early. the preshows are mostly garbage. alex marvez. the librarians. and i am sure i can be picky and find a lot more.

but being 'critical' of one their biggest stars booking himself in a main event is a very very low level nitpicky thing. if that.

beyond that, the likelihood of this being some unilateral decision by cody is silly. there certainly had to be input from the rest of the EVP's plus tony khan. this whole company exists off the backs of these guys as workers and draws and tony khan seeing something he liked in them. i dont think he ever intended to start this promotion and not put these guys front and center in big ways.

in the end, as a viewer, if it's entertaining, i dont really give a shit about the optics of it, cause it doesnt effect me in any way. if it's a shit show and they just push themselves and dont elevate anybody with them and none of it is fun to watch, then there's a complaint, cause now it's effecting me. putting the cart before the horse to try and be the first one to piss and moan about something is dumb.

[VHS]

not at all. i'm all for valid complaints. matches are too long. adam page was booked like shit and given a shot too early. the preshows are mostly garbage. alex marvez. the librarians. and i am sure i can be picky and find a lot more.

OMG quit your moaning for the love of God.

[Morrison]

OMG quit your moaning for the love of God.

you have no idea how to have actual discussions, do you? is this weird avoidance an internet thing or are you this baffling in real life, too?

[Morrison]

and you can do us all a favor and save everybody some time by not bothering with the youtube embed/gif reply and just not post anything at all, since they're essentially the same thing, anyway.

[Supernovametalstar]

I get that we're going to start hearing a lot of people moaning about Cody, Omega, and The Bucks positioning themselves at the top but why shouldn't they be? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I would consider myself beyond a casual fan. I know of Cody from WWE. I've seen Omega via some New Japan that airs on that random cable channel. I've only heard of the Young Bucks and that they're blacklisted from the other companies for some reason. So combine them with the arguably biggest names of Jericho and then former Ambrose, this makes sense to put them at the forefront. I just hope they don't burn the star too brightly and they can keep the enthusiasm for their brand high as they head into TNT.

[Horatio]

Are The Young Bucks really blacklisted? I thought they worked all over the place...

[VHS]

I would consider myself beyond a casual fan. I know of Cody from WWE. I've seen Omega via some New Japan that airs on that random cable channel. I've only heard of the Young Bucks and that they're blacklisted from the other companies for some reason. So combine them with the arguably biggest names of Jericho and then former Ambrose, this makes sense to put them at the forefront. I just hope they don't burn the star too brightly and they can keep the enthusiasm for their brand high as they head into TNT.

They're not blacklisted, they're just notorious for being pre-madonnas.

[Matthew]

pre-madonnas.
lol

[Nash Diesel]

They're not blacklisted, they're just notorious for being pre-madonnas.

prima donnas

Don't worry I always thought it was like that until about 20 years ago I was reading an article in one of my mom's tabloid mags and they had that spelling. I was like, what a bunch of dumb asses they spelled Madonna wrong lol.

[Donald]

Pre-Madonna, music was good.

[VHS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrcl_GGpTzg


prima donnas

Don't worry I always thought it was like that until about 20 years ago I was reading an article in one of my mom's tabloid mags and they had that spelling. I was like, what a bunch of dumb asses they spelled Madonna wrong lol.

For year I'd spell business as buisness. Sometimes we never stop learning.

[Donald]

When in school, I was taught to remember it as Busy Ness and that always helped me.

[Torn]

The Bucks are very much post-madonnas

[Matthew]

wow never post again

[Donald]

You should follow your own advice.