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[Bert]

Danielson vs Evil Uno would be the works

Well I've got great news for you. Go watch Wednesday's Dynamite.

[BGMaverick]

:lol:

[Horatio]

Well I've got great news for you. Go watch Wednesday's Dynamite.

That was the works.

Danielson vs Grayson would be the shiznit.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I can't wait for Danielson/-1. It'll be a real star-making moment for AmDrag.

[VHS]

Danielson and Silver will have an absolute banger as well.

[Vandal]

https://youtu.be/v4BSi3hiti8
:lol:

[Nash Diesel]

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s960x960/260441457_10120435058356064_3184846364256875770_n. jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=tS7dVQFZ2xoAX_r5auq&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=38272ca44866a7d583610d60b83bb8c9&oe=61A15089

[Bert]

I love these road tos, I'm sure this one will be good.

https://youtu.be/kh_azI7Rb-8

[Nash Diesel]

I heard Chavo is working security tonight. Him and the rest of the LWO. Juvi, Psicosis, El Dandy, Villano 9,

[Bert]

CM TRUNKS.

[JuveLeo]

MJF vs CM Punk on the mic is simply magical. I loved it!

[Bert]

MJF vs CM Punk on the mic is simply magical. I loved it!

Samesies. I could have listened to them go back and forth for another 20mins.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i love the animated turkey

[Bert]

Be careful Bryan fickle might be a trademarked property for WWE you don't want to infringe on.

[Defrost]

FICKLE

[Bert]

Is this the first time Andrade has worn trunks in AEW or is it just the first time I've noticed? I think I like the white pants more.

[Tainted Eclipse]

man that was a great episode. loved everything on it.

[BGMaverick]

That was an amazing 18-minute back and forth verbal jousting between MJF and Punk. They really laid waste to each other along the way. On Punk's turf, MJF hit some shots that really resonated with that crowd. There was urgency and fervor in the Kingston/Punk promo that wasn't present here but that's not a knock. This go round was more performative and patient. One thing I loved about this segment is how neither MJF nor Punk really put too much effort into undermining the other’s promo. It was just straight-up them going after each other’s throat on the mic.

Very smart to have Page come out in his gear, and then Danielson having the perfect rebuttal by saying it was cowardly of Page to want to fight after he had a match. They're pacing that quite, quite nicely.

[Supernovametalstar]

FICKLE

I thought you couldn't copyright a word? But then there's "the man" gimmick, so I guess we'll see if WWE decides to unleash the lawyer hounds.

I dare say this was a perfect show. And it wasn't lost on me that the format seemed very WWE-esque in the long promo, backstage segments, CAN THEY COEXIST cluster, and other stuff. Bryan kind of opened the verbal forbidden door when he said Wrestlemania last week. Imagine how much better 3-hour Raws would be if they had people that could hold the crowd in a talking segment for 20 minutes.

I wonder though if they can string this along until the next PPV, which isn't until Feb, right? Do you do it on a special Dynamite. Or even Rampage.

Bryan literally kicking a tooth out of Colt Cabana's head and Bryan smiling about it is fantastic. The confrontation with Hangman was great also, as it didn't need to be too long and we want to see more. And I like that he isn't going to stand for his friends getting brutalized and embarrassed every week.

Main event was good, and I usually don't like 8-10 man tags.
That near front row crowd that goaded the fan to throw the weight belt back seemed to be very rowdy most of the night. Glad Aubrey didn't get hurt when that shit came whipping at her head. I guess Cody will stop doing that now.

Right as the show was going off the air, I thought I saw Cody slide back in the ring and try to help Pac. Imagine if after the show went off the air, Cody tries to help, gets beat on by Idolo and Black and friends. Pac abandons him, the Lucha bros are already gone. Black is doing dastardly shit to him. Crowd loves it. Brandy decides to insert her ass to the ring and get in Black's face, thinking she's big and bad, and she's gotten in his face before. Then you have a wild Charlotte appear and they mix it up. Or at least threaten to, since logisitically, she wouldn't be under contract with another company so there wouldn't be any hands laid. It's about time for another curtain call scenario. The wrestling world is ripe for it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the WWE wouldn't be all for that because it would get more eyes on their product at the same time. Perchance to dream, I know :p

[Bert]

That would never happen and it's unclear if Andrade is even still with Charlotte after they unfollowed each other on social media.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Pretty sure Hangman/Bryan will be on the Winter is Coming show or whatever equivalent they have this year. They tend to have one or two Supercard Dynamites between PPVs.

[Bert]

Windham Is Coming

[Supernovametalstar]

That would never happen and it's unclear if Andrade is even still with Charlotte after they unfollowed each other on social media.

My imagination runs wild, brother! Like a gazelle chased by a lion. Then breaks its leg and falls over. Then gets saved by a crocodile. Who then eats the gazelle. The hell was in that apple cider? Wasn't supposed to be that hard. HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYBODY!

[Badger]

Just needed Punk to say “Mizwell Jacob Friedman”

Great back-and-forth though!

[Murphy]

The AAA tag titles look like they're made out of cardboard.

Excellent show this week. Loving everything, really.

[Bert]

That avalanche falcon arrow is crazy.

[Bert]

Donald Tony Nese vs Sammy next friday

[Bert]

Lucha Bros vs FTR - 2 out of 3 falls

Bryan Danielson vs Alan Angels

Both set for Dynamite.

[Sinner]

Lucha Bros/FTR is for the AEW Tag Titles

[Dreyski]

Thought Christian said JE were #1 contenders for the tag titles?
Not hating 2/3 falls with Lucia Bros/FTR though.

[Donald]

Donald Tony Nese vs Sammy next friday

I'm not going to tune in to see Tony nese lose

[Badger]

I'm not going to tune in to see Tony nese lose

He has been winning on Dark/Elevation if that makes you feel any better!

[Donald]

If you win a match and no one sees it, it doesn't count.

[Horatio]

Damn. That's bleak.

[VHS]

Just watched the Punk/MJF stuff and that's about as perfect as pro wrestling can get in my wildest dreams. Fucking perfect.

[Badger]

If you win a match and no one sees it, it doesn't count.

But the live crowd there did. Also that’s why the internet exists Donald. Look it up and relive his wins.

The tree may have fallen and maybe some were around to see it. Either way it makes a sound.

[Bert]

I expect when he comes out for the match Wednesday it will show his win loss record.

[Murphy]

Laughed out loud on Dynamite last week when Excalibur messed up the dates for upcoming events, JR stepped in and fucked them up even more. :lol:

[Donald]

But the live crowd there did. Also that’s why the internet exists Donald. Look it up and relive his wins.

The tree may have fallen and maybe some were around to see it. Either way it makes a sound.

Tony Nese will have a moment of glory in AEW, just like he did in WWE, but before soon he'll be wrestling and losing to nobodies on shows no one cares about.

[Mazer]

I still can't see how Dark wins and overall record is something to get fired up about. It's rampage and dynamite that establish someone's credibility.

Imagine if I said something like "Cesaro's push wasn't out of nowhere. He's won 5 straight on Main Event".

People would come at me like piranhas.

[BGMaverick]

Laughed out loud on Dynamite last week when Excalibur messed up the dates for upcoming events, JR stepped in and fucked them up even more. :lol:

Excalibur is so, so bad at that lol.

I noticed the show I'm going to is the Winter is Coming episode. Hopefully they stack it if that's the case, for selfish reasons obviously.

[Donald]

Watching this MJF CM Punk confrontation, man MJF is so bad. I don't like CM Punk but he is oodles above him.

[Bert]

You have the right to your opinion but I don't understand how anyone can think that. He's so good and so young still.

[Donald]

"Punky", "PG Punk", more cringeworthy than anything. Though I fully expect MJF to beat CM Punk in their match.

[Bert]

I still can't see how Dark wins and overall record is something to get fired up about. It's rampage and dynamite that establish someone's credibility.

Imagine if I said something like "Cesaro's push wasn't out of nowhere. He's won 5 straight on Main Event".

People would come at me like piranhas.

Rankings = title shots. It's more like Cesaro wins a bunch of matches on main event which moves him up the rankings (if there were rankings) and then he has more matches on Smackdown which put him in the title picture. Dark just helps build records and establish momentum.

[Nash Diesel]

Where is that Billy Gunn Jr with the 30+ wins and zero singles losses rank in the World title/TNT title rankings? Just curious because he's had more wins that Daniel Bryan and Daniel is the one getting the title shot not Gunn.....

[Nash Diesel]

I still can't see how Dark wins and overall record is something to get fired up about. It's rampage and dynamite that establish someone's credibility.

Imagine if I said something like "Cesaro's push wasn't out of nowhere. He's won 5 straight on Main Event".

People would come at me like piranhas.

They don't matter. The win/loss record is completely pointless. Billy Gunn Jr is undefeated in singles competition and he's just now starting to get matches on Dynamite and Rampage lol. Sure it's getting beat up by old man Sting and the pride of the midget army Darby Allin but hey, who cares it's AEW Tony Fucking Khan bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VHS]

Yeah, it’s really about who the crowd wants to see out there. Who’s being shared on social media. Somebody can have a perfect record, but they’re not going to share the ring w/ CM Punk if they’re bland as dry toast. I just hope Daniel Garcia continues to progress because he’s a real gem.

[Mazer]

Rankings = title shots. It's more like Cesaro wins a bunch of matches on main event which moves him up the rankings (if there were rankings) and then he has more matches on Smackdown which put him in the title picture. Dark just helps build records and establish momentum.

I understand the theory, and I actually like the concept of rankings.

Its just that really it adds very little, other than to a small percentage in overall story-telling. Its not as if Dark storylines or results really impact Rampage or Dynamite. Even in your adaptation of my analogy, Cesaro would still actually need to build Momentum on Smackdown for it to matter.

Tony Neese or Frankie Kaz never win on Rampage or Dynamite, they're still lower midcard or jobbers to those who do, regardless of how many times they beat an unknown or even a lower level Dark Order member on Dark.

[Mazer]

Again, no issue with Dark and it can be cool.


Just the wins there mean very little in the world of the two main tv shows.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think the rankings are definitely meaningless in the sense of being an accurate measure of who's earned the most wins. But it works as a macguffin whenever they need to put over why a victory is important or to hype a title match. I could do with or without it, but I think it's better to sometimes ignore it instead of subjecting the fans to seeing the Gunn Club get title shot after title shot.

[Nash Diesel]

I think the rankings are definitely meaningless in the sense of being an accurate measure of who's earned the most wins. But it works as a macguffin whenever they need to put over why a victory is important or to hype a title match. I could do with or without it, but I think it's better to sometimes ignore it instead of subjecting the fans to seeing the Gunn Club get title shot after title shot.

Exactly. It's not something anyone should hang their hat on because some of it doesn't add up whatsoever. Like I said, look at that 8-man tournament and convince me why "10" was in it and Jungle Boy wasn't.

I've always campaigned for rankings and not where they would be used as the end all be all. But if you wanted to sell a storyline with maybe a less-than charismatic or over wrestler but he was ranked in the top 5 and had 20 wins in a row, that's a great story to tell.

[VHS]

I've changed my mind. Thank win-loss records are the tits.

[Nash Diesel]

I've changed my mind, I hate the win-loss records. Anything VHS likes I'm going to immediately hate!

[Mazer]

Like I said, look at that 8-man tournament and convince me why "10" was in it and Jungle Boy wasn't.
.

Fucking jealousy. That's why.

The Powers that Be are not ready for Luke Perry's kid to take over.

But eventually the Jungle Herd will make our voices .....heard.

You guys should join me while there's still time.

[Nash Diesel]

Fucking jealousy. That's why.

The Powers that Be are not ready for Luke Perry's kid to take over.

But eventually the Jungle Herd will make our voices .....heard.

You guys should join me while there's still time.

Jurassic Express is like some failed PBS show.

Marko Stunt is a time traveling 5th grader who befriends a dinosaur and a boy from the jungle who apparently has zero tan.

[Mazer]

Jurassic Express is like some failed PBS show.

Marko Stunt is a time traveling 5th grader who befriends a dinosaur and a boy from the jungle who apparently has zero tan.

No Way that show fails. You give it Arthur as a lead-in, and you've got a hit. Kids would have Jungle Express Fever.

And the only cure would be more Marko Stunt.

12 months in, we're all wearing gold-plated diapers.

Never question Bruce Dickinson

[Supernovametalstar]

It's interesting with the rankings and the win/loss records. Someone could power-level on Dark/Elevation and get a couple dozen wins,like a Shida or Gunn Club, but that kind of means nothing if another someone can just have 3-5 matches a year, like an MJF, and still be top ranked. But you can't say the quantity outshines the quality of wins, because by that measure, the Bears beating the Lions means the Bears should get +2 for victories. Or if a Brady team beats the Lions they get .5 for a victory because they aren't "that good". OH, I kid the Lions. As a Bears fan, I know of pain and suffering :P.

Justice for Riho! I've heard people complaining that she shouldn't be challenging and it is another example of the champ losing for the sake of setting up a title match. I say, unlike WWE, this one makes sense. They mentioned on commentary that Britt has never beaten Riho one on one, and the whole deal with the Casino BR is one of those things that would just get ignored for all eternity if it was WWE. So the fact that they even acknowledged it, and were good enough to use it to set up this short feud, is aces with me. And after the Dante Martin signing with Team Taz, I won't say AEW is completely predictable with their booking. Hell, if they wanted, they could surprise all of us, and have Riho win the title off Britt, she curb stomps her into oblivion out of rage, and the next week it's revealed that Riho will be out for so long, she can't defend the title. Britt demands she be reinstated as champion, but they have a match with her and Thunder Rosa (or maybe someone else if you want to give them some shine) and she wins against them. Or, have Riho so superhurt, but still competes in a rematch, Britt takes advantage and finally gets her win over her. So many possibilities...

[Badger]

Wait Dante actually signed with them? I thought this was going to be Dante/Lio vs Team Taz tag team kinda feuds but that’s intriguing!

I guess Hook’s potato chips offer worked! :lol:

[Badger]

I still can't see how Dark wins and overall record is something to get fired up about. It's rampage and dynamite that establish someone's credibility.

Imagine if I said something like "Cesaro's push wasn't out of nowhere. He's won 5 straight on Main Event".

People would come at me like piranhas.

Tbh I was just kinda joshing with Donald about Nese actually winning. I’m aware in the grand scheme of things it won’t really matter other than inflate stats for storyline purposes lol.

They had Brit Baker do the same thing. Win ultimately meaningless Dark matches to boost her ranking.

[Donald]

If Tony Nese beats Sammy and wins the title, I'll start watching AEW.

[Nash Diesel]

Tony Neese is the modern day Scotty Riggs.

[Badger]

Tony Neese is the modern day Scotty Riggs.

The Attitude Era of Sick Boy would be Puke….

Yes I went there

[Bert]

Lee Moriarty vs CM Punk tomorrow, hell yeah.

TAIGASTYLE!

[Badger]

Lee Moriarty vs CM Punk tomorrow, hell yeah.

TAIGASTYLE!

I have no idea who that is but I would love a Moriarty vs Sherlock Holmes gimmick match right now

[Donald]

Ah yes, Sherlock Holmes, that guy Eddie Guerrero mentioned in every other sentence.

[Bert]

Big Swole gone from AEW.

She has charisma and a cool theme but she's always been a bad wrestler so hopefully she works the indies and gets better.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/iHozZCzobW8

[Badger]

Big Swole gone from AEW.

She has charisma and a cool theme but she's always been a bad wrestler so hopefully she works the indies and gets better.

Not to wish ill will anyone but barely knew her plus that Brit feud and dentist match….ugh. Wish her well but won’t miss her.

[VHS]

Just caught Dark and Sky Blue never looks like she's happy to be there.

[Murphy]

Ah yes, Sherlock Holmes, that guy Eddie Guerrero mentioned in every other sentence.

:lol:

[Nash Diesel]

Lee Moriarty vs CM Punk tomorrow, hell yeah.

TAIGASTYLE!

The energy you and others who watch AEW put into pretending you're excited about every single thing that happens has to be taxing.

[Horatio]

Moriarty/Punk is incredibly retro-indie for the dream match it's being made out to be. Should be a true litmus test for how far those two have come along.

[Donald]

I think CM Punk should be facing MJF's lackeys. Maybe fight Dash Hardwood this week, Dash Wheeler next week, then Gavin Spears and Wardlow. Or have him tag with someone and face FTR, then he goes on to face Gavin then Wardlow. Leading to the 1 on 1 PPV match against MJF which Punk loses.

[Tyrone]

The energy you and others who watch AEW put into pretending you're excited about every single thing that happens has to be taxing.

You mean you wouldn't be excited about Marko Stunt vs. Joey Janela in a 30 minute iron man match?

[Psycho666Soldier]

What I like about that model of match booking is it hearkens back to the old weekly model. The stars fight the lower-rung guys as a way of getting them on TV and getting them wins without using up every big match you could have down the line. You have an excuse to put Punk on TV, and then MJF will likely be involved by coming out before, after, or even during. Someone like Moriarty gets an opportunity to show what they got to a bigger audience, and the bigger match everyone cares for gets built without it having to be some pre-booked promo segment or a series of rematches that finally leads to a PPV match.

That said, I do feel the show is more successful when these kinds of matches are given a little less time or more effort is given to the shit that happens outside of the matches. We don't need to see Punk going 10-15 minutes with QT Marshall every week.

[Nash Diesel]

Many of us on the planet have beat to the death the idea that Punk shouldn't be wrestling these nobodies, especially as often as he does. But I also like the matches where it's a bigger name, or a higher ranked opponent, beating a lesser known, lower ranked just to get that talent some shine.

What I don't get, which is barely addressed, is the over the top "hell yeah" excitement that certain fans get over a match like Lee Moriarity v. CM Punk.....And it's every match. And then a mountain of excuses and explanations as to why CM Punk v. David Garcia is phenomenal. Why Daniel Bryan v. John Silver is a dream match.

30-40+ year old men acting like my 2 year old nephew when he's watching Coco Melon when anything happens in AEW just sours people on the product. I saw it live firsthand, motherfuckers were so obnoxious and fake it was probably what Dads at a BTS concert feel like.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I mean, it basically reminds me of how I used to be when I would be watching dudes on Superstars and being like, "Why isn't Heath Slater IC Champion?" I guess the difference there is it felt like WWE had a bunch of dope wrestlers that they aren't pushing whereas in AEW it's more like most of the dope wrestlers are being pushed.

That said, I know a lot of these fans usually see these guys on the indies and hype them up because they like what they saw and like getting behind an underdog. Moriarty vs. Punk is no dream match, but I see potential in Moriarty, so I can see someone seeing the match-up and getting hyped because now he gets to test himself against a star like Punk. Do people blow it out of proportion? Of course. But if they enjoy it that much, then more power to them.

[Nash Diesel]

To be fair when we were growing up watching Superstars you rarely saw actual pushed talent fighting each other. It was almost always some jobber v. Mankind or if we're going even earlier some jobber v. Papa Shango. You never really saw lower card Hercules v. main event draw Macho King on a Saturday morning. Those matches were the Coliseum Home Video releases lol.

I won't defend my opinion as I mention it often I just don't get it. The whole "Hell yeah Lee Moriarity v. CM Punk!" It feels disingenuous, like people are trying to convince themselves it's great for whatever reason....And considering who usually responds like that in this thread, it's hard to take serious.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I mean, I'll fully admit to liking John Silver because I think dude is just kind of fun and actually really entertaining in the ring, so I'll always get excited to see him get a chance to wrestle someone like Bryan(which I hope happens before the Hangman match). But I get what you mean about some of the hyperbole being overblown.

[VHS]

Moriarty vs. Punk should be a fun one, and I'm sure Lee's gotta be giddy as a schoolboy about it. Dude's hella talented.

[Bert]

Lee Moriarty is great and I'm genuinely excited for this match tonight, however it would be better if it was against Bryan. Same with the Daniel Garcia match that Punk had. I want to watch technical wars.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I expect it to at least be better than the match with QT

[Tainted Eclipse]

Honestly this might be the best in-ring run of punks career so far. His matches with Darby and Kingston were MOTYC level, his match with sydal was awesome, and he’s mostly turned in very solid to very good performances against the other jabronis

[Psycho666Soldier]

I actually really dug the match with Hobbs. He hasn't turned in a stinker yet, and his marquee matches have been fire so far. I'm expecting his match with MJF to at least be on par with Punk/Kingston.

[Nash Diesel]

Moriarty vs. Punk should be a fun one, and I'm sure Lee's gotta be giddy as a schoolboy about it. Dude's hella talented.


Lee Moriarty is great and I'm genuinely excited for this match tonight, however it would be better if it was against Bryan. Same with the Daniel Garcia match that Punk had. I want to watch technical wars.


I expect it to at least be better than the match with QT


Honestly this might be the best in-ring run of punks career so far. His matches with Darby and Kingston were MOTYC level, his match with sydal was awesome, and he’s mostly turned in very solid to very good performances against the other jabronis

It's like these posts were made simply to troll me. I know I'm not that important but Jesus Christ.

"might be the best in-ring run of punks career" mth ban this motherfucker Tainted right now. We can't have this.

[Nash Diesel]

I actually really dug the match with Hobbs. He hasn't turned in a stinker yet, and his marquee matches have been fire so far. I'm expecting his match with MJF to at least be on par with Punk/Kingston.

I didn't include your post because I dug the Hobbs match despite (like all his matches) Punk being completely blown up within the first 2-3 minutes.

Punk v. MJF will be a good wrestling match because Kingston is not a good wrestler by any means. I've watched this man wrestler for about 15 years and he's never improved, and I can't say he's any worse so I guess that's good. But what made that match was just the verbals. Just like MJF. It'll be a better match, and it'll feel like a bigger match because of the verbals.

CM Punk....1000% my favorite wrestler of the last 20 years. He's in my top 5 of all time. It's not because of his top shelf wrestling ability and he's about half as good as he was in his wrestling prime which was probably 2008-2009. But he makes up for it on the mic. You don't have a favorite wrestler in Kevin Nash and give that much of a fuck about in-ring ability.

[VHS]

It's like these posts were made simply to troll me. I know I'm not that important but Jesus Christ.

"might be the best in-ring run of punks career" @mth (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=385) ban this motherfucker Tainted right now. We can't have this.

Can we simply share our excitement for a match without you pining for everything to be about you?

[mth]

:lol: ND accusing others of trolling in this thread...

[BGMaverick]

I noticed the show I'm going to is the Winter is Coming episode. Hopefully they stack it if that's the case, for selfish reasons obviously.

Hangman vs Danielson for the gold? Okay!

[Nash Diesel]

Can we simply share our excitement for a match without you pining for everything to be about you?

I might take you serious if you weren't so childish.

"Hey everbody, everything Nash Diesel likes/dislikes I'm going to immediately post that I suddenly feel the opposite!" Dude you were so much cooler when you were getting belittled every time you posted by what's his nuts.


:lol: ND accusing others of trolling in this thread...

The one mod who isn't hiding in a cornfield or a delusional Trumper is now accusing me of trolling. HOW?? I'm literally the only unbiased person in this thread. Even Donald just blindly hates lol.

I mean I literally drove out of state at this stage in my life for one of their ppvs a few weeks ago. Yeah it was only 3 hours but shit it's a boring drive even with great people and music to roll up there listening to.

You're trolling me now. :(

[Donald]

Nothing in aew excites me

[VHS]

Hangman vs Danielson for the gold? Okay!

As much as I want a lengthy Hangman reign, Danielson being AEW champion would be 10 times more entertaining. It's a tough one to choose.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't even watch and I hate AEW.

Hey man most people don't even watch wrestling and hate it so it's all good mang.

[Bert]

Hangman isn't giving up the title yet. He beats Bryan to gain credibility.

[Nash Diesel]

As much as I want a lengthy Hangman reign, Danielson being AEW champion would be 10 times more entertaining. It's a tough one to choose.

Oh I'm definitely thinking Danielson needs to take the title from Page. SOON. His ship sailed months ago. Now it's ultra forced and made even worse by the Dork Order. They must be trying to recreate when Foley had the JOB Squad following him around. I just don't get it.

Hopefully that helps you make your decision.

[Nash Diesel]

Hangman isn't giving up the title yet. He beats Bryan to gain credibility.

Like it did for Roman Reigns back at Fastlane 2015 I imagine. It's a wrap for Cowboy Shit. They had a chance, they blew it. I was there. His pop was on par with Britt Baker when she beat Tay Conti.

[Bert]

Lee with the MF DOOM style mask, nice.

[Nash Diesel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6aUsEA_eZQ&list=OLAK5uy_ndBwiTkRhbFcN49VS k2sR97-gIeLPj8v0&index=8

[Bert]

Pirate Pac = ratings.

[Bert]

Ass Man and Ass Boy the Ass Club.

[Bert]

Stings paint looks awesome.

EDIT: Darby's too.

I'm digging the black underneath.

[Bert]

Top of Darby's head was bleeding, he takes the suicide part of suicide dive too seriously. Hope he's okay.

[Bert]

I would have did Thunder and Jade as the final, personally.

[Bert]

Cody looks like he had a bad sunburn or something, his back is peeling badly.

[Sasori]

Somehow I feel like Cody got the worst of that finish, lol. They couldn't have come up with a better way to do that spot? Just asinine.

[Supernovametalstar]

Somehow I feel like Cody got the worst of that finish, lol. They couldn't have come up with a better way to do that spot? Just asinine.

Call me crazy, but that peeling skin on Cody's back from the near beginning, and seeing how it ended, makes me think they practiced that spot somehow. And Brandy is sadistic, l love it. She was smiling and licking her lips the entire time. That, plus her having Awesome Kong collecting hair for her back in the beginnings of the show, leads me to this.

If I have one criticism of Ruby is that she looks terrified all the time. It worked for the end of the match after that impossible poison rana and then regular? rana and was surprised Statlander still kicked out, but that is something that kinda irks me about her for now. Looked like Kris had a busted lip, too, so a hard fought contest.

I wonder if they are not so subtly leading to a Punk/Cole match...

Danielson vs Angels seemed like it never really got going for some reason. But I guess you can't have Bryan going all out every week if the big match is in two weeks.

Hate to say it, but I think they unintentionally cooled off Dante Martin with the sudden turn. At least until they give me a storyline reason why he did it. You can't just do the "I don't owe you an explanation" angle. Well, they could. But I wouldn't like it :p

Thunder Rosa ranting in Spanish tickles me.

A good show tonight.

Oh, and Wardlow is a monster.

And how can I forget Sting and Darby. Darby in particular is a lunatic with those dives through the ropes. But damn it he doesn't make you BELIEVE them when he does them. Dude bounced off Billy Gunn like Kano in Mortal Kombat.

[BGMaverick]

Not sure it was worth the potshot by MJF to take at Punk to talk about the drinking when there's a talent within the company who is in rehab. Britt didn't need the ricochet shots, either. Oh well. MJF may be overdoing it by continually calling him PG Punk. Punk gave Moriarty a ton for that match, so kudos to him.

Allin bounced off Billy Gunn in a truly remarkable way haha.

You could hear a pin drop at the start of that verbal jousting between Tazz and Rush.

Anderson took a hard ass fall but it seemed like he was okay. Cody's back looked like he had zero self awareness for body upkeep after being in the sun but that was obviously a protective measure for the finish. Couldn't he have just worn something different to look less...distracting? Cody does seem to go big in Atlanta.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/jbCVVNV.jpeg

My money's on Wangman.

[Mazer]

:lol:

That is a fun font choice

[Nash Diesel]

The delusional fans applauding Cody and Andrade comparing it to Edge v. Mick Foley is exactly why I can't stand most of the people who watch anything outside of WWE. At least with WWE delusional fans I'm not reading or listening to them try to say stupid shit like that about The Fiend getting set on fire. Why are we even doing a flaming table spot in that match to begin with? LOL.

I'm watching it thinking, holy fuck, these idiots are probably thinking it'll get Cody over as a babyface. Sorry guys, but there's one thing super marks in wrestling love to do more than anything and that's boo a forced babyface.

[Supernovametalstar]

https://i.imgur.com/jbCVVNV.jpeg

My money's on Wangman.

How has that not been someone's name by now? I heard about someone saying they misspelled his name and thought "did the graphics department turn on Adam Page"? No, it's just a weird ass gothic font.

I heard Cody (on commentary?) saying something about an opponent getting slapped in the face and he said there was a lot of that going on in his house, or something to that nature. I'm telling you, Brandy is a dominatrix that gets off on seeing her man hurt. No, the flaming table spot wasn't necessary, but Brandy thought "hey, a streetfight! Lemme just pick up a couple things from Ace. Be right back."

[Nash Diesel]

AEW is too predictable when it comes to the World championship. Super long reigns aren't necessary for every single talent. Wangman losing to Danielson and then regaining it around WrestleMania would be incredible.

Page doesn't even need the World title.

[Nash Diesel]

I will say this....Props to AEW for not having a single former WWE talent as champion right now. It's tough to not have one considering it was the main place to make money in the US until 2019. That's probably the main reason Danielson isn't going to win. AEW are not about growth, if they grow cool if not oh well. This is not a life or death situation for the owner of this promotion. Page isn't going to bring any new fans and old heads who didn't watch outside of WWE for the last 20 years don't know him.

That's why you see Punk having this jabroni matches instead of being in a top tier program. Have you noticed he hasn't even really had a program with anyone that lasted longer than a few weeks? MJF might be his first real feud.

[Vandal]

I am hearing Brian Danielson was on Dark as a Masked Wrestler named Infinito

[Bert]

I am hearing Brian Danielson was on Dark as a Masked Wrestler named Infatino.

Infinito. He did a super long airplane spin for a finish. Take that, Cesaro.
https://streamable.com/5d7ugf

[Tyrone]

I will say this....Props to AEW for not having a single former WWE talent as champion right now. It's tough to not have one considering it was the main place to make money in the US until 2019. That's probably the main reason Danielson isn't going to win. AEW are not about growth, if they grow cool if not oh well. This is not a life or death situation for the owner of this promotion. Page isn't going to bring any new fans and old heads who didn't watch outside of WWE for the last 20 years don't know him.

That's why you see Punk having this jabroni matches instead of being in a top tier program. Have you noticed he hasn't even really had a program with anyone that lasted longer than a few weeks? MJF might be his first real feud.

Feels like all of Punk's interactions stem from "Hey, I heard you saying my name" or at least it feels that way. I liked the involvement with Team Taz and wish it actually went longer where maybe someone would have aligned themselves with Punk - Rush & Martin, perhaps - but that's in another direction already.

[Nash Diesel]

Feels like all of Punk's interactions stem from "Hey, I heard you saying my name" or at least it feels that way. I liked the involvement with Team Taz and wish it actually went longer where maybe someone would have aligned themselves with Punk - Rush & Martin, perhaps - but that's in another direction already.

Yeah a lot of it feels like everyone is clout chasing lol. MJF was mad Punk DIDN'T say his name.

I'll be honest, I wasn't really a fan of anything he's done until this MJF stuff. It feels backwards seeing CM Punk, probably the biggest name under 50 in that company, and he's working with lower card talent right off the bat.

[Tyrone]

Yeah a lot of it feels like everyone is clout chasing lol. MJF was mad Punk DIDN'T say his name.

I'll be honest, I wasn't really a fan of anything he's done until this MJF stuff. It feels backwards seeing CM Punk, probably the biggest name under 50 in that company, and he's working with lower card talent right off the bat.

I'm not gonna be one to complain that some of Punk's interactions have been with lower card guys. Darby and MJF are probably the only exceptions thus far, but it's getting people involved. This is probably what Punk wanted, I'm not gonna complain. An interesting twist to Punk-MJF would be MJF costing Punk some wins again jobbers and then MJF deciding he's above that and tries to dodge getting involved with Punk.

[Donald]

Peter Griffin Punk

[Nash Diesel]

I'm not gonna be one to complain that some of Punk's interactions have been with lower card guys. Darby and MJF are probably the only exceptions thus far, but it's getting people involved. This is probably what Punk wanted, I'm not gonna complain. An interesting twist to Punk-MJF would be MJF costing Punk some wins again jobbers and then MJF deciding he's above that and tries to dodge getting involved with Punk.

I don't see it as complaining, I see it as being honest. These people were already involved and I'd even say that it's almost a negative to work with Punk because look at these wrestlers post-Punk.

[VHS]

I am hearing Brian Danielson was on Dark as a Masked Wrestler named Infinito

He did and he knocked himself loopy for a split second with his dive outside. God dammit, Byran. :lol:

[chatty]

I will say this....Props to AEW for not having a single former WWE talent as champion right now. It's tough to not have one considering it was the main place to make money in the US until 2019. That's probably the main reason Danielson isn't going to win. AEW are not about growth, if they grow cool if not oh well. This is not a life or death situation for the owner of this promotion. Page isn't going to bring any new fans and old heads who didn't watch outside of WWE for the last 20 years don't know him.

That's why you see Punk having this jabroni matches instead of being in a top tier program. Have you noticed he hasn't even really had a program with anyone that lasted longer than a few weeks? MJF might be his first real feud.

Think Punk wasn't ring ready, blowing up quickly, been out the ring 7 years. Sure he has done some behind the scenes practice but wouldn't translate to full fitness and working at his best in a live scenario.

Maybes they wanted him to get back to bear as fit as he could before putting him in big feuds. Makes sense when we've saw Batista, The Rock etc come back and look terrible in massive feuds because they were rusty as hell and had t wrestled properly for years.

If he's here for a while makes sense to let him work his way back over time and does I harm to the show.

[Fanny Batter]

So, Danielson's the best American (if not overall) wrestler of all time at this point, right? His in ring body of work spanning 20 years speaks for itself, but the character has been spectacular too for a guy that isn't a truly great promo. His mannerisms and charisma make up for it. Most consistent in ring performer, transcended the business for a while with the yes stuff, has been both sides of the coin for the two most satisfying title wins of the last decade, "yes", Team Hell No, I have til 5, Eco warrior, that return promo. Just an immaculate pro wrestler. For some reason Meltzer wasn't as much of a fan back in the day so his online cred maybe isn't as stellar as it should be, but half of his ROH defences were better than anything Will Ospreay has ever done.

[VHS]

Think Punk wasn't ring ready, blowing up quickly, been out the ring 7 years. Sure he has done some behind the scenes practice but wouldn't translate to full fitness and working at his best in a live scenario.

Maybes they wanted him to get back to bear as fit as he could before putting him in big feuds. Makes sense when we've saw Batista, The Rock etc come back and look terrible in massive feuds because they were rusty as hell and had t wrestled properly for years.

If he's here for a while makes sense to let him work his way back over time and does I harm to the show.

And it's not like Punk should only battle the big dogs. He's in a yard full of young pups that need that rub from tussling with one of the biggest names in the business today. Punk's here to elevate. He's doing that. :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

Fuck Dave Meltzer.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/RVkVINo.jpeg

I wonder if Bryan's gotten better at social media or if he has a guy.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Bryan has always been a troll, so this doesn't seem that out of character to me

[Murphy]

I can't work out if Cody is turning heel or if he's trying too hard not to. If it's the latter, that's pretty sad. I mean, that flaming table spot, like has already been said, was so unnecessary.

[Donald]

No way Daniel Bryan wins this match, right?

[Nash Diesel]

I wonder if Bryan's gotten better at social media or if he has a guy.

Because he called him Wangman like 20,000 others did when they saw that image? Not exactly a Bill Burr level diss.


I can't work out if Cody is turning heel or if he's trying too hard not to. If it's the latter, that's pretty sad. I mean, that flaming table spot, like has already been said, was so unnecessary.

The thing is with Cody, I personally think he's turning heel but what sticks out in a lot of people's minds is the comment he made a few years ago about how there aren't heels and babyfaces, it's a tired method of booking wrestling, etc. He said he'll never turn heel. He's a smart dude and anyone who says differently while watching AEW is delusional. I think that he's going to turn heel but do it in a way where he continues to act like he's in the right-which is what great villains are all about.

The best parts of his career according to many are the points that he was a heel. I think at the beginning of AEW people were on board with him as a top tier babyface. But as time goes by, and more and more WWE guys roll in and get over, plus his wife is an idiot. He'd do good to lean in to what people assume about him.

[Nash Diesel]

No way Daniel Bryan wins this match, right?

One thing about AEW is that their title matches are extremely predictable and that's fine as long as it's a good result. Page v. Danielson will be a very good match and I'd love to see Dragon win but I doubt it. If they want to shock us, take the title off Page. But they're not about that.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Yeah, I would be ok with Bryan winning as a shock. He'd be a great heel champion that would be a big shot in the arm. I'm not sure if you were sort of joking earlier or being 100% serious, but I do think Hangman winning would be perfectly fine, too. Especially if Bryan as a heel isn't long-term. It'd be nice to establish more credibility with him and make his title reign look like less of a fluke. He's still over and the crowd has been behind him firmly so far in the feud.

Ideally, I think I'd like to see Hangman have like 3 defenses, with one strong one at the next PPV. Then have him lose to MJF or a heel Cody sometime between Revolution and Double or Nothing. Establish credibility, let him have a notable run, but get the heat back before the "Too Guy Babyface" schtick wears thin.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah, I would be ok with Bryan winning as a shock. He'd be a great heel champion that would be a big shot in the arm. I'm not sure if you were sort of joking earlier or being 100% serious, but I do think Hangman winning would be perfectly fine, too. Especially if Bryan as a heel isn't long-term. It'd be nice to establish more credibility with him and make his title reign look like less of a fluke. He's still over and the crowd has been behind him firmly so far in the feud.

Ideally, I think I'd like to see Hangman have like 3 defenses, with one strong one at the next PPV. Then have him lose to MJF or a heel Cody sometime between Revolution and Double or Nothing. Establish credibility, let him have a notable run, but get the heat back before the "Too Guy Babyface" schtick wears thin.

Oh yeah I was being serious about being cool with Page winning. Especially if what you mentioned about having MJF or a heel Cody take that title from him.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think it would also be good for AEW to shake up the title reign lengths a bit, too. So far every champ has held the belt 6+ months, with the last two holding the better part of the year. So a shorter 3-4 month reign would be a nice breather.

[Nash Diesel]

I think it would also be good for AEW to shake up the title reign lengths a bit, too. So far every champ has held the belt 6+ months, with the last two holding the better part of the year. So a shorter 3-4 month reign would be a nice breather.

I felt like Omega's run was very underwhelming. He didn't have really any big marquee matches after the deathmatch with Mox which had an ending that overshadowed what was a pretty good deathmatch. I also feel like Page was going to go over a couple months ago so we wouldn't have needed the Christian Cage stuff.

I said it months ago, what Page does after winning the title will be what matters most. He's essentially a nobody outside of the super hardcore fanbase, which you could probably say about every champion they have right now. Which is fine. But he's carrying the flag and right now he's doing alright. The Dork Order needs to go.

I will give props to AEW in the sense that it's traditionally a babyface path that Danielson is taking to get to Page, so to see a "heel" take down each guy one by one in the Dork Order--interesting. I'm not a fan of anyone he's wrestled in that crew, but I like the concept. Kind of like JBL--I liked the concept of JBL I just hated JBL in general so it never clicked for me.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I felt like Omega's run was very underwhelming. He didn't have really any big marquee matches after the deathmatch with Mox which had an ending that overshadowed what was a pretty good deathmatch. I also feel like Page was going to go over a couple months ago so we wouldn't have needed the Christian Cage stuff.

I said it months ago, what Page does after winning the title will be what matters most. He's essentially a nobody outside of the super hardcore fanbase, which you could probably say about every champion they have right now. Which is fine. But he's carrying the flag and right now he's doing alright. The Dork Order needs to go.

I will give props to AEW in the sense that it's traditionally a babyface path that Danielson is taking to get to Page, so to see a "heel" take down each guy one by one in the Dork Order--interesting. I'm not a fan of anyone he's wrestled in that crew, but I like the concept. Kind of like JBL--I liked the concept of JBL I just hated JBL in general so it never clicked for me.

Out of curiosity, if you could sack every member of Dark Order, but HAD to keep one, who would you pick?

[Nash Diesel]

Out of curiosity, if you could sack every member of Dark Order, but HAD to keep one, who would you pick?

Colt. And I would have him at the booth. Maybe he's creative as well and you could have him help out on promos, storylines, etc. He can talk, he can work, and I'v heard him commentate a bunch of matche plus his podcast, he sounds incredible on the mic.

Colt's lucky because he has always been given respect, he had a reputable career attached to Ring of Honor's peak years. I barely remember he's even part of this shit stable he looks extremely out of place. Everyone else has to try and wash that DO stench off them and I don't know if it'll work. This stable has been fucked since the jump. I hate everything about it. I hated Luke Harper coming over and doing some idiotic Vince McMahon parody. I hate that everyone uses his death to try and get over because they fucking suck.

So I just want to see the stable burn.

[MTR]

Cody is a smart man but whatever he is doing right now is not working for me. I get he is trying to not do things in kind of a traditional way. He said in the one promo that the easy thing would be to turn but he is not going to do that. He seems to be trying hard to not be a heel almost to the point of trying too hard. It might be by design. It is not coming off well to me. I am all about doing things differently and what not. I think that is great but sometimes just going with the flow and with the crowd is the way to go. I seriously have no interest in Cody right now and haven't for a while. His run with MJF was great in my view and his runs with the TNT titles and brief feud with Brodie were really good. But after that lost interest and losing even more interest at this point. The street fight was overkill in a lot of ways. I don't mind AEW and WWE taking some pot shots at each other but pretty sure we have seen the sledge hammer bit before. Same with the golden shovel. Flaming table spot was not needed and seemed botched to me.

I am digging Danielson and this turn and going through the Dark Order. I hate he is the first defense for Hangman. They did such a good job of getting Hangman to this point and he needs a good solid run even if not real long he needs it for a few months at least. Granted a win over Danielson would be good but I just don't want to see Danielson lose just yet. Maybe me being a homer for him.

I have to agree that I think Omega's reign was not as good as I was expecting. I was excited with the whole crossover thing with Impact but at the end of the day he had some good matches and defenses but not much of anything after Moxley. It was not a bad reign. But not what I thought it would be. Wonder if he got spread too thin between the two shows and wrestling on ppvs for both companies at a double champ.

I personally love the Dark Order. It was a slow burn for me and I didn't like Brodie's character at first but then he did some tweaking and it worked. I also enjoyed the stuff he was doing with Colt and I hate that we never really got to see a finish to that. I can see why people are bit over them though. But I really like them and some talented folks in there like Colt and Grayson. Angels is good too and only going to get better.

[MTR]

Fuck Dave Meltzer.

Yes. :mtr:

[Nash Diesel]

Cody is a smart man but whatever he is doing right now is not working for me. I get he is trying to not do things in kind of a traditional way. He said in the one promo that the easy thing would be to turn but he is not going to do that. He seems to be trying hard to not be a heel almost to the point of trying too hard. It might be by design. It is not coming off well to me. I am all about doing things differently and what not. I think that is great but sometimes just going with the flow and with the crowd is the way to go. I seriously have no interest in Cody right now and haven't for a while. His run with MJF was great in my view and his runs with the TNT titles and brief feud with Brodie were really good. But after that lost interest and losing even more interest at this point. The street fight was overkill in a lot of ways. I don't mind AEW and WWE taking some pot shots at each other but pretty sure we have seen the sledge hammer bit before. Same with the golden shovel. Flaming table spot was not needed and seemed botched to me.

I am digging Danielson and this turn and going through the Dark Order. I hate he is the first defense for Hangman. They did such a good job of getting Hangman to this point and he needs a good solid run even if not real long he needs it for a few months at least. Granted a win over Danielson would be good but I just don't want to see Danielson lose just yet. Maybe me being a homer for him.

I have to agree that I think Omega's reign was not as good as I was expecting. I was excited with the whole crossover thing with Impact but at the end of the day he had some good matches and defenses but not much of anything after Moxley. It was not a bad reign. But not what I thought it would be. Wonder if he got spread too thin between the two shows and wrestling on ppvs for both companies at a double champ.

I personally love the Dark Order. It was a slow burn for me and I didn't like Brodie's character at first but then he did some tweaking and it worked. I also enjoyed the stuff he was doing with Colt and I hate that we never really got to see a finish to that. I can see why people are bit over them though. But I really like them and some talented folks in there like Colt and Grayson. Angels is good too and only going to get better.

He had 8 matches that spread out over 7 months. I don't think that was the issue. At all.

The main issue is that Kenny Omega winning the title was poorly timed. IMHO, he should've been their first champion. I wasn't a fan of him and Page being a tag-team and their feud wasn't anything special either. Too short, too many gaps due to Page's pregnancy and now Omega's hurt. I like watching him wrestle but what I've learned from his reign as IWGP champion and AEW champion is that maybe this guy just isn't World championship material. But again, with AEW, I think it was poor timing. It should've been Omega v. Jericho with Omega getting the clean W and then rolling into a feud with Moxley for the title. Pass the title to Moxley and THEN think about maybe giving it to an old timer.

[Nash Diesel]

Yes. :mtr:

lol maybe don't fuck him THAT hard.

He's just never been someone who's opinion I took as gospel. The proof is what FB mentioned, how it basically took Danielson to come to a company that Dave liked to give him a "coveted" 5 star rating. Personally I don't give a shit what Dave Meltzer likes and I hate listening to people parakeet his views. Dave Meltzer is an old weird groomer of young bucks that should've been knocked the fuck out by a wrestler back in the 80's, early 90's. Whenever he showed on Geraldo or whatever with that whack ass perm.

[MTR]

I think people expected Omega to be the first champ and I think it was good to not do that. Same with the Bucks. I honestly think Jericho was the good call. I just expected Omega to beat him but them Moxley came around and that worked well I think. But yeah timing probably was part of the problem here. Omega is one of the best in the world in the ring and I think a good champ but he doesn't always come off that way though. My wife never really got him when he was doing promos and such so yeah to a degree more casual fans probably never cared for him much.

[MTR]

lol maybe don't fuck him THAT hard.

He's just never been someone who's opinion I took as gospel. The proof is what FB mentioned, how it basically took Danielson to come to a company that Dave liked to give him a "coveted" 5 star rating. Personally I don't give a shit what Dave Meltzer likes and I hate listening to people parakeet his views. Dave Meltzer is an old weird groomer of young bucks that should've been knocked the fuck out by a wrestler back in the 80's, early 90's. Whenever he showed on Geraldo or whatever with that whack ass perm.

Yeah I hate his ratings. They are his opinion yet people take them to gospel. Some of his 5 star or more matches were not all that great in my view and some other matches he didn't like were way better in my view. Fine that he has an opinion but hate people thinking his ratings are anything more than one man's opinion who clearly fucking hates the WWE except NXT to a degree.

[Fanny Batter]

Lars Sullivan had a five star match before Bryan Danielson, in a 2010's multi man ladder match which all just molded into one. His opinions are his own but they're not great. I've seen most of his ROH title run and they were better than the 5 star match explosion of the last decade. That fucking KENTA match he worked with the bad shoulder. The first 2 Roderick matches. Styles. Marufuji. All the McGuinness bouts. Alex Shelley, Jimmy Rave, Chris Hero, Rocky Romero, the Joe draw, Delirious. What a run that was, such variety. That September-September part of the title reign was just incredible. He's been great for 20 years but that stretch might be the best year anybody has had.

It's crazy watching those early ROH's with clean shaven, young Danielson. He wrestled a physically compelling style but he was quite dull - like a more athletic Dean Malenko. Nobody could have expected him to grow into this level of performer. He showed glimpses of it but never really came into his own until he ramped up the heel tendencies. Once he was off to the races nobodies been better since.

[Mazer]

It makes you wonder what could have happened in WWE's Nexus days if he hadn't choked Justin.

Heel daniel bryan with original nexys could have been an interesting opening act.

[Nash Diesel]

Lars Sullivan had a five star match before Bryan Danielson, in a 2010's multi man ladder match which all just molded into one. His opinions are his own but they're not great. I've seen most of his ROH title run and they were better than the 5 star match explosion of the last decade. That fucking KENTA match he worked with the bad shoulder. The first 2 Roderick matches. Styles. Marufuji. All the McGuinness bouts. Alex Shelley, Jimmy Rave, Chris Hero, Rocky Romero, the Joe draw, Delirious. What a run that was, such variety. That September-September part of the title reign was just incredible. He's been great for 20 years but that stretch might be the best year anybody has had.

It's crazy watching those early ROH's with clean shaven, young Danielson. He wrestled a physically compelling style but he was quite dull - like a more athletic Dean Malenko. Nobody could have expected him to grow into this level of performer. He showed glimpses of it but never really came into his own until he ramped up the heel tendencies. Once he was off to the races nobodies been better since.

I've been a fan of his since around late 2000 when I heard his name, American Dragon. I thought of Don the Dragon Wilson lol. I remember people not giving him a snowball's chance in Hell back in that time you're speaking of. Especially when he started wearing the cape. People thought he'd never amount to anything in a place like WWE and I don't blame them for thinking that way based on his style and look.

Fast forward and if you can't watch him and John Cena at Summerslam and not think that was arguably the best match of the year, possibly of Cena's career, IDK what to tell people. That was one of the best WWE matches I've seen in 35 years of being a fan of this company.

I always wondered what a TNA run might have been like for him. Top tier X Division guy no doubt.

[Nash Diesel]

It makes you wonder what could have happened in WWE's Nexus days if he hadn't choked Justin.

Heel daniel bryan with original nexys could have been an interesting opening act.

It would have been interesting but I'm glad they didn't go through with it because what we got instead (Miz v. Daniel Bryan) was much better. I think NXT was all rigged and just a vehicle to get Wade Barrett over-including Nexus. So DB not being part of any of that like say John Cena was-smart.

[Fanny Batter]

It is mad to think that the minimum top 3 star produced in the post Cena/Orton/Batista era (Reigns and Punk being the other two) was going to be a lackey in a stable led by Wade Barrett. Wrestling is weird. If things went to plan for bookers it would probably be a dead industry by now.

[Badger]

It is mad to think that the minimum top 3 star produced in the post Cena/Orton/Batista era (Reigns and Punk being the other two) was going to be a lackey in a stable led by Wade Barrett. Wrestling is weird. If things went to plan for bookers it would probably be a dead industry by now.

Well Punk usurped Barrett in the end but otherwise yeah I get what you mean.

When I look back at the old Nexus though apart from the one you’ve already highlighted, Tarver had great potential and Skip was a former Rajah poster who was getting TE votes IIRC lol.

[Badger]

Do also have to say Kris Statlander has been criminally underused and underpushed since her initial return of helping Cass and wrecking Penelope. I do love Brit but Kris should still be up there.

She had great momentum but recently way cooled off. Could say the same thing about Orange actually. Maybe he’s not everyone’s technical favourite but still been cooled off when he was hot. I actually think if he talked again like in that debate, could bring his heat back like if he’s talking again, people will listen.

[Fanny Batter]

Orange has just been cycled out. He's a fun act but he's not Punk, Kingston, Sammy etc who they're pushing at the minute. His time will come again.

[Bert]

I was surprised Ruby won because I think Statlander is a better wrestler. Ruby is just more over, I guess.

[Bert]

Did no one watch Rampage? I went out with my wife and forgot it was on. I'm going to watch it now.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/3x6UqMV.jpeg

It's official. Donald

He had a good match with Sammy.

[Badger]

Unless Nese wins he’s not interested.

[Bert]

Can't wait for Pacs new look.

https://i.imgur.com/AKauXj8.jpeg

Or maybe


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/75/02/ac75029468bca9c53385340398181d57.jpg

[Badger]

I wonder how much they pay Mark Henry just to remind us when it’s time for the main event?

[BGMaverick]

I wonder how much they pay Mark Henry just to remind us when it’s time for the main event?

At least he's very good at it.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I love Kris, but she's awkward when it comes to star power. Her promos are garbage. She's technically the better wrestler, but I also think she's still kinda green at points. Ruby was definitely the right way to go.

[Bert]

https://www.tvinsider.com/1024049/bryan-danielson-all-elite-wrestling-championship-dynamite/
Good interview with Bryan.



Coming up is the AEW championship match against Hangman Page. You came in so beloved but managed to get the audience to turn the other way pretty seamlessly.

It’s all a lot easier when they care about someone. If Hangman Page wasn’t someone people cared about, it would have been very easy for the crowd to turn on him, rather than me. They love this guy. I haven’t done anything so mean or dastardly, yet. I try to not make great changes in my character. I think my time in AEW, I’ve been aggressive, a little bit of a jerk [who] people like. But it’s not hard to switch to a jerk who people don’t like.

What goals do you have for yourself in 2022, and how do they play into AEW’s future?

If I can get a group together, I’m thinking of a younger talent or two, and that develops into stories within that. Look at Sammy Guevara and Chris Jericho. By Sammy joining the Inner Circle, he’d become a bigger star. He then stepped up to the plate and hit home runs. That’s how you build young stars. A guy that comes to mind for me is Daniel Garcia.

1. It's too bad the ReDragon name is already taken. (American Dragon and Red Death) American Death doesn't sound as cool.
2. Lee Moriarty should be in that group too.

[Nash Diesel]

It is mad to think that the minimum top 3 star produced in the post Cena/Orton/Batista era (Reigns and Punk being the other two) was going to be a lackey in a stable led by Wade Barrett. Wrestling is weird. If things went to plan for bookers it would probably be a dead industry by now.

Well....look at the 3 names you mentioned at the start. Batista came in and was D-Von's lackey in a shit gimmick. Cena and Orton were about as vanilla as you could get. I'm still under the impression that Danielson was going to turn on Nexus or be the one that would leave first because you always have to have that member. The Giant comes to mind when a few months after joining the nWo he was booted and it was good for him to get the hell out of the nWo and be a top tier guy.

It's weird to think that a guy like Danielson who many didn't give a chance in hell to become not just a top tier wrestler in WWE but a quasi-crossover star with the Yes chants, the reality tv, etc. 15 years ago if you (in general as a fan) were watching ROH and said that you could predict what was to come then why aren't you saving the planet!?!?

[JuveLeo]

Hearing rumors of Brian Cage going to WWE. Any truth to that? He really hasn't done much since October I think.

[Bert]

Hearing rumors of Brian Cage going to WWE. Any truth to that? He really hasn't done much since October I think.

I think he was injured at one point in time but I don't think anything conclusive has been said. His wife said he loves TK but of course business is business.

[JuveLeo]

Interesting. If he did sign with WWE, I wonder how Vince would feel about a big man with basically a cruiserweight moveset.

[kdestiny]

Interesting. If he did sign with WWE, I wonder how Vince would feel about a big man with basically a cruiserweight moveset.

Think we already know the answer to this one!

[Murphy]

Plus, he's pretty bland, from a charisma standpoint. From what I've seen, anyway.

And, he's 37.

[Donald]

I was 37 once.

[Mazer]

I was 37 once.

I was 37 365 times.

[BGMaverick]

Hearing rumors of Brian Cage going to WWE. Any truth to that? He really hasn't done much since October I think.

Last I read over the weekend is that he's still with AEW and just hasn't been used. That seems like it's going to be a more prevalent problem for talent over the coming months.

[Nash Diesel]

Never been a fan of Cage. Saw him in Lucha Underground, meh. I was already impressed by guys like Mike Awesome and John Kronus doing luchadore like moves while being bigger guys. I mean, even LA Parka was a bigger dude. And PlutoTV has exposed to me to more of his TNA run and it's just nothing special. He's no Bobby Lashley.

IDK if he'd be a good addition to WWE. He does seem like someone AEW could use better once he's ready (if he's still hurt). But he's another guy who was in a stable of 4-5+ people, and now has to contend with growing influx of released talent from WWE. Signed or not, they're taking up spots. And Cage and that whole Team Taz stuff unfortunately hasn't done anything of worth.

[Sasori]

Looks like Shida's starting a new career.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6NGgnN1lVI

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/G7RUyljO2UE

[Psycho666Soldier]

I don't always comment when you link these videos, but I always appreciate it, because I don't usually catch them otherwise.

Also, I really feel like Jamie Hayter is going to be a big deal in the future.

[Mazer]

Other than the eventual split from Britt?

Not sure I see it for Hayter.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I just feel like she's got the whole package. Great look, really good in the ring, carries herself with presence, and she can talk without any awkward issues. Plus, the crowd seems to be really into her.

[Nash Diesel]

People seemed to be in to Alex Riley too.

In all seriousness I like Hayter but I can't stand Britt Baker. So anything associated with her whether that's other wrestlers, overrated Tony Schiavone, it just makes me want to "fast forward".

Hayter in a different situation outside of the Britt Baker bubble is what I'm interested in. I agree with most of what you're saying about her Psycho (minus the "really good in the ring", I give her a C right now).

[Mazer]

With Hayter, I just kind have her as "fine/good enough" in most of those categories, so I'm not sure that she will stand out. But I feel like the women's division really needs to have a face or two skyrocket, so maybe she'll get an opportunity.

[Bert]

I don't always comment when you link these videos, but I always appreciate it, because I don't usually catch them otherwise.

Also, I really feel like Jamie Hayter is going to be a big deal in the future.

Glad to hear it, they get me pumped for Dynamite every week.

I miss her old hair, I didn't even recognize her when she first showed up, but her new look does seem more like a star than an indie wrestler.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/j6Thhio.jpeg

I forgot myself that's how the match worked so I thought I'd post this here.

[Bert]

Punk's promo was good but felt a little repetitive.

[VHS]

Hope onto the Discord!

MJF w/ that reaction tho.

https://discord.gg/KXjBugrm

[Tainted Eclipse]

that whole deal was incredible, totally getting over the idea of MJF as a mega heel everywhere but beloved in long island.

[Nash Diesel]

I forgot myself that's how the match worked so I thought I'd post this here.

Yeah you're a little young to remember the abomination that was Battle Bowl. Or the weird DDP/Guerrero feud over the ring.

I'd be shocked if we could something original out of AEW this week.

[Bert]

The "you're probably a poor" voice over was hilarious. :lol:

[Bert]

Trent is great. Glad he's back.

[Tainted Eclipse]

aew sure does put on great shows in new york

[Bert]

Scorpio has a weird promo voice.

I don't like watching Riho wrestle. It's just as believeable as wrestling a pillow.

[Bert]

VHS won't even hangout in his own discord.

[Bert]

HOOK DEBUT ON RAMPAGE.

[Bert]

Should have played Hangmans theme for his run in. Good match. Silver is underrated.

[VHS]

@VHS (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=36173) won't even hangout in his own discord.

I was watching. I'm always watching. :)

[JuveLeo]

Are they ever going to let Jamie Hayter win a match? She's awesome and deserves a tad better in my opinion. I think she's extremely talented and can potentially be a top heel in the company once they're done with her being Bakers stooge.

[Badger]

Maybe they just hayter (hate her) :shifty:

[Badger]

HOOK DEBUT ON RAMPAGE.

Did he give away chips to anyone?

[Bert]

Did he give away chips to anyone?

He's all that AND A BAG OF CHIPS.

Spoilers say it was a great debut and he had a licensed theme.

https://youtu.be/oUi56HnUEgQ

[Mazer]

The slow build to Hook/Stunt is about to reach phase 2.

[JuveLeo]

Maybe they just hayter (hate her) :shifty:

Wait.... I get it! Lol

[Badger]

Wait.... I get it! Lol

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/--JTu-XkIp18nz4RxNL3zvVfaE99BZe1uE22W4Bz6AoiUo9nkG93eSOY L0gRf9jb_Z29QjA3_e6MWHtaPZxeG2Dizg8iO5TNCrSkUoeBAy FAOUyAAS_XfwJh4rw1fTJYebqgs4S3Cw

Psycho666Soldier knows

[Matthew]

hell yea, hook

[Bert]

The slow build to Hook/Stunt is about to reach phase 2.

Marko Stunt got a callback from The Voice so he might be busy for a while.

Hooks about to send the female demo through the roof.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/GKJllVp55Tc

The closest we'll get to face MJF for now.

[Badger]

If Hook offers potato chips to Khan, will he get a title shot? Worked luring Dante.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It's kind of crazy to think that MJF was a pseudo-babyface for a couple months near the beginning.

[Badger]

It's kind of crazy to think that MJF was a pseudo-babyface for a couple months near the beginning.

Unwritten rule in AEW I think. Align with Cody, you’ll turn heel.

Dustin’s a stretch (though how good would that be?). I thought Arn would’ve done it by this point though.

[Badger]

Or even better, he turned heel on Dustin? Would get the fans way behind Dustin.

[Nash Diesel]

CM Punk showed last night why he's a killer on the mic.

I don't follow hockey. Were the Islanders a bunch of killers and now they suck? 25 minutes in and about 12 different people shit on the Islanders.

Threw me off that the Dante v. MJF match wasn't going to happen on the spot. Kind of took me out of the show to be honest.

Big John Silver Baggins is more tolerable than Marko Stunt. It's kind of a shame that we're at this weird point where Danielson is wrestling these jabronis in the twilight of his career but he's handling it well.

[Bert]

Malakai did an interview where he said the condition of his eye "worsens" as he gets stronger. Looking forward to the full corpse paint.

[mth]

Malakai did an interview where he said the condition of his eye "worsens" as he gets stronger. Looking forward to the full corpse paint.

:yes: Was just reading that. I dig it.

[VHS]

CM Punk showed last night why he's a killer on the mic.

I don't follow hockey. Were the Islanders a bunch of killers and now they suck? 25 minutes in and about 12 different people shit on the Islanders.

Threw me off that the Dante v. MJF match wasn't going to happen on the spot. Kind of took me out of the show to be honest.

Big John Silver Baggins is more tolerable than Marko Stunt. It's kind of a shame that we're at this weird point where Danielson is wrestling these jabronis in the twilight of his career but he's handling it well.

I mean he's main eventing. Don't know why that's such a shame.

[Nash Diesel]

I mean he's main eventing. Don't know why that's such a shame.

He who?

[Bert]

Danielson, I think he means.

[VHS]

No one knows.

[Murphy]

I wish JR a speedy recovery, but I'm not missing him at the booth. Taz is just so quick witted and probably my favourite commentator in wrestling right now.

Had me creasing up at one stage this week, but I can't remember what he said. I'm getting old.

[Nash Diesel]

Main eventing a show with barely a million viewers against jabronis while making millions of dollars is nothing to be ashamed about. I believe I even said he's handling it well. I'd rather watch Danielson wrestling these guys than if it were Wangman.

The only problem with what's going on with Danielson over the last year or 2 is that he thinks all he has to do is go out there, put on 15+ with Drew Gulak or Alan Angels or jobbing to Adam Cole Bay Bay and boom=we have this new respect for these guys and they could be someone because they almost or DID beat the great Daniel Bryanson. I don't think that's the case. Nobody said these guys can't bang, it's just there corny as fuck and shouldn't be in these matches yet.

HBK didn't need to go out every week and have a 10-20 minute match with Headbanger Mosh, Taka Michinoku, and Billy Gunn. Neither should Dragon.

[Bert]

I wish Drew Gulak was in AEW.

[Supernovametalstar]

CM Punk showed last night why he's a killer on the mic.

I don't follow hockey. Were the Islanders a bunch of killers and now they suck? 25 minutes in and about 12 different people shit on the Islanders.

Threw me off that the Dante v. MJF match wasn't going to happen on the spot. Kind of took me out of the show to be honest.

Big John Silver Baggins is more tolerable than Marko Stunt. It's kind of a shame that we're at this weird point where Danielson is wrestling these jabronis in the twilight of his career but he's handling it well.

I was thinking the same thing about the Islanders. Wasn't it Becky last week that was talking shit about them to get heat? That being said, Punk usually says "he has the time" and you coudl tell he really could go all night just talking shit if he wanted to. What I find more amusing is that he trolled the audience with MJF's music the same way people were saying MJF would possibly do to Punk before his big debut.

AEW still doesn't quite seem to know how to do battle royales. At least to me. The eliminations always go by too quickly, and the mini-stories they're trying to tell in the ring don't get fleshed out. I guess leads credence to just how great the concept of WWF's Royal Rumble is, in that the 60 minute time limit, and having people come out in intervals, leads to better television.

This whole Dante thing is really...meh to me for some reason. In story, he was iffy on tagging with Lio. They tagged and had success and got great crowd reaction. Then he turns on Lio by signing with Team Taz (which should have legal ramifications). But then turns on them when given the chance.

I would love it if Hook really is this sort of killer assassin and you don't deploy him until revenge is sought. Given that his dad was famous for choking people out, I would love it if he had some sort of neck vice hold that is nigh impossible to escape from. He doesn't have the heavy stockiness of his father, so just giving him his old moves doesn't seem like it would work, and I wouldn't want that for him anyway. Let the next generation legacy wrestlers develop their own movesets.

Riho vs Hayter was a banger. Loved the blue variant outfit, too. Riho was bumping her ass off for Jamie, but also showing she's "tougher than a $2 steak" as JR would say. Watching older Riho matches, and the ones against Britt, there is a formula to her matches. I guarantee, that at some point in their match, Riho is going to go for those double knees, but Britt will lay down, Riho will miss and her forehead will hit the MIDDLE TURNBUCKE OF DOOM. Britt will try to capitalize, but Riho will recover enough to try that arm trap pin she does, but Britt will be able to counter that. I would love it if Britt won without trying to do her convoluted Lockjaw setup, though.

This episode felt like a storyline setup/progression episode and I'm fine with it. Shida and Deeb feels like it could be a street fight at this point, but because they're too good at the wrestling, they don't need to do that.

At first I thought "why is Malakai going after the Blondes?" Then I recalled from that episode of Rhodes to the Top, Lee Johnson is dating Julia Hart, so then it made perfect sense. Anyone connected to Cody is gonna get got. Could even lead to his students, which seemed to have forgiven him somewhat, to drop him like a bad habit. Just look at the track record: Cody is turning into a masochist to get crowds to cheer. Pac is apparently blind now. Arn is falling and stumbling all over the place (I know those were accidents, but may as well play them up as the influence of getting misted, right?), Lee's gotten his girlfriend blinded and will probably get his head kicked off again.

I think it was a great service to John Silver to hold his own against Bryan, as that will lead to more legitimacy when he wrestles other people in the future.

Also, Eddie Kingston is the break out star of AEW this year. He's like an even grumpier grumpy Care Bear. Loves his friends, but hates you.

This was definitely a "surprise bitch!" episode in that it was better than it should have been for a set up episode. But I guess since they have a lot of wrestling on the show, and not a lot of time for filler, it goes by way quicker than most.

[Bert]

On Hooks finishing move:
It's the tazzmission. Maybe hookmission? Doesn't sound as good.

[BGMaverick]

Should be, All That and a Bag of Chips

[Bert]

He should get sponsored by Lays.

[Nash Diesel]

I wish Drew Gulak was in AEW.

Oh I'm sure you'll get your wish. He checks all the boxes that will guarantee tv time in AEW:

Worked for WWE? Check

[Bert]

Oh I'm sure you'll get your wish. He checks all the boxes that will guarantee tv time in AEW:

Worked for WWE? Check

Ok, I laughed.

He's still a good wrestler and Bryan was reportedly why he stayed last time his contract was up. Put him in that stable that Bryan wants.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/hPW8kqL.jpeg

Quality work.

[Nash Diesel]

Ok, I laughed.

He's still a good wrestler and Bryan was reportedly why he stayed last time his contract was up. Put him in that stable that Bryan wants.

I have no desire to see another stable until every stable in AEW is wiped clean.

A good wrestler is about as basic as you can get over the last 30 years. Barry Horowitz was a good wrestler. That's why they always had him on tv putting people over.

[Nash Diesel]

Quality work.

Not really lol. Why is Hook the one dressed up as Peter Pan?? 875,000 viewers, please, answer me.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/ZoLjFWH.jpeg

[Nash Diesel]

Hook is the new Marko Stunt. Nobody believes this dude is tough. Just like nobody believed Taz was tough, because he wasn't.

[Bert]

Everyone loves Hook, no one loves Marko.

[Nash Diesel]

Right.

[Donald]

I hate Tazz. His commentary is the worst. His only use in this world is to be an arm rest when I'm tired of standing.

[Bert]

I thought he was great on commentary. He doesn't take himself seriously at all. Tazz singing Ruby Soho is one of the best parts of AEW 2021.

[mth]

Tazz's commentary is always a highlight when I tune in.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/OtwqrhR2u4s

[Psycho666Soldier]

I appreciate that Taz plays a heel voice on the booth and the fact he sounds like he's genuinely having a great time out there.

[Bert]

Interview with Hook, TK, and AB about Hooks theme:
https://pitchfork.com/news/an-action-bronson-song-is-hook-new-aew-entrance-theme/?utm_source=twitter&utm_brand=p4k&utm_social-type=owned&utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter

[Bert]

HOOK

[Tainted Eclipse]

it isnt even a meme hook rules

[Bert]

Finisher is called redrum.

[Bert]

Selling needs a little work but the kid has IT.

[Defrost]

Belt up Hook

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/iXu8i1i.jpeg

Punk knows.

[Bert]

I feel like this leads to 5vs5 with KOR replacing Cutler.

[Mazer]

Of course, Hook is not Marko. Just like Rock and Austin, they’re different sides. They’re the ying and Yang that will usher in the next era of professional wrestling.

[Bert]

Oh yeah, 100% leading to 5vs5.

[Psycho666Soldier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910097050627084291/919081148582359050/Screenshot_20211210-221347.png

[Sasori]

Aww, they fixed the "H". No more Wangman...

As far as Hook's debut.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGSDTPJXIAIZMUl?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Bert]

Aww, they fixed the "H". No more Wangman...

Not everywhere.

https://i.imgur.com/0E2jgca.jpeg

[Ringo]

HOOOOOOOK. What a debut! He's really got something.

[Vandal]

Great debut for HOOK! Taz was able to call it, is icing on the cake. Proud Poppa moments!

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/GpBaX852GT0