All Elite Wrestling

[Nash Diesel]

You can see me briefly when MJF and Darby fight. I've got my "Next time Hero" sign

This whole time I thought you were the giant old dude in the front row.

[Badger]

You can see me briefly when MJF and Darby fight. I've got my "Next time Hero" sign

Rewinding and trying to find it but can’t.

Was it before or after the running clothesline bit?

[Tyson]

Someday Xavier Woods will become the best commentary man of all-time. Just hold on until then.


Oh no doubt about Woods. He has proven his worth at the booth.

Woods with McAfee? Sign me the fuck up for that…

[Vandal]

How long before UA reforms in AEW?

[Donald]

What is UA?

[Badger]

Assuming a typo and he means Undisputed Era.

[Donald]

Undisputed Aura. There you go AEW, you're welcome.

[Badger]

Undisputed Aura. There you go AEW, you're welcome.

They got Tony Nese too. Are you All Elite now Donald?

[Donald]

They got Tony Nese too. Are you All Elite now Donald?

No, I'm not even WWE anymore

[Badger]

No, I'm not even WWE anymore

Okay we’ll start our own wrestling fed then. Mazer can watch and bring more signs

[Bert]

Okay we’ll start our own wrestling fed then.

With cocaine and hookers?

[Badger]

With cocaine and hookers?

Maybe if we get some funding maybe.

Some weed, a few guys on here to help out and maybe Virgil is the best we can afford at the moment.

[Mazer]

This whole time I thought you were the giant old dude in the front row.

I am not giant.


Or even giant gonzales

[Badger]

I am not giant.


Or even giant gonzales

But with stilts a rubber suit and barber hair stuck to it you could be. Never give up hope!

[Vandal]

What is UA?


Assuming a typo and he means Undisputed Era.

DOH! UE...

[Murphy]

Couple of :lol: this week.

Nyla Rose "How long did it take you to get to 50 wins? Don't answer that" comment to Shida was pretty dumb, eh. Er, she's the FIRST to 50 wins. That was the point.

"THUDER ROSA" bellows out of the sound system. Tony Schiavone "Who's this?" :lol:

Still loving me some AEW though. A solid show. Danielson and Miro should be bloody good. Full Gear is stacked. Can't wait.

[Bert]

My friend is going tonight.

I'm going to be on the lookout for her "It's all about the Budge" and "I'm here for CM Punk" signs.

[Nash Diesel]

Couple of :lol: this week.

Nyla Rose "How long did it take you to get to 50 wins? Don't answer that" comment to Shida was pretty dumb, eh. Er, she's the FIRST to 50 wins. That was the point.

"THUDER ROSA" bellows out of the sound system. Tony Schiavone "Who's this?" :lol:

Still loving me some AEW though. A solid show. Danielson and Miro should be bloody good. Full Gear is stacked. Can't wait.

lol funny you brought up Rosa. We had been joking about how terrible AEW entrance music is and how we still have trouble figuring who the hell is who. A couple minutes later out comes Rosa and my guy said "Even the commentators don't know the entrance music!"




My friend is going tonight.

I'm going to be on the lookout for her "It's all about the Budge" and "I'm here for CM Punk" signs.

I'll be at the ppv. 3rd row. The problem is, I can't figure out what N64 inspired sign I want to take. We thought about "Jews+Boobs=Jewbs" but undecided as we had a few other South Park signs made. Let's just say I can draw.

[Badger]

If it comes to pass that AEW are running a UK show in at Craven Cottage next year, I shall be there with bells on complete with Rajah-related sign!

[Bert]

The Acclaimed have been shitting on TK constantly so tonight it's Bryan Danielson vs Anthony Bowens.

[Badger]

When was the last time the Acclaimed won a match that wasn’t Dark or Elevation?

[Morrison]

FIGHT ME

[Morrison]

FIGHT ME

FIGHT ME

[Vandal]

https://youtu.be/OO0j3xaZ53E

Man that was awesome...

[BGMaverick]

There wasn’t a lot between Omega and Page but what they provided was pleasing. I have to imagine there’s going to be a hot showdown next week.

Difficult to navigate transition Punk had to make between support for Moxley and promoting a match but he handled the transition well. The reasoning for not being in the tournament? Probably not as good.

Pretty good reveal/arrival of Jungle Boy during the brawl, and I’m pretty surprised Christian hit the Conchairto on Cole.

PVZ was the standout of the Inner Circle/ATT segment.

Liked the segment with MJF and Allin. The kernel of truth was there as the possible out for the match, Allin trying to do too much rather than just winning the match and that ultimately costs him. Whether that’s the finish or not, it’s going to be an emotional match.

Cody and Andrade had a good one.

Exalibur is great at what he does but he’s not good at knowing the date of Full Gear lol. He’s screwed that up at least 2-3 times haha.

Bowens had that good line about Danielson’s father in law. There weren’t going to be many scenario were you could go with that jab but they certainly manufactured a good opportunity to pull it off. I know I mentioned this during one of the early chyron’s Danielson had, but why are they reference him as just a four-time world champion?

Punk and Kingston delivered as I knew they would. The interesting part was that Punk came off somewhat cavalier and smug with his rebuttals. I think he was delivering some tough love but it certainly came off as I explained too. Regardless, it was a very good segment. Didn’t take much to build anticipation for the match but they delivered in a big way.

I’m disappointed that the aforementioned Conchairto from Wednesday was bastardized. That’s a move that really should put someone on the shelf for a bit. Instead, Cole did some selling early in the match but was more or less okay. I get commentary putting over Cole’s toughness for being out there for the match. I guess Christian’s lost his fastball with the delivery of the move lol.

[Ringo]

Punk/Kingston segment was HOT. I really hope this feud goes on past Full Gear but I'm not sure it will. I'd like to see this morph into Punk as heel and Kingston as face. Although it's not exactly clear cut as it is anyway.

Hard to decide who my favourite is between Kingston and Miro right now. They're both on fire.

I love Danielson just wrestling everyone, all the time. But I really hope it doesn't abruptly end with an injury and he gets to keep doing it for a long time yet.

Full Gear card is shaping up really nicely. No reason why it shouldn't be another great show.

[Tainted Eclipse]

interesting the jurassic express vs. clique 6 man being falls count anywhere when they already have the inner circle match as a streetfight. wonder if they work the inner circle match as a close to the ring street fight while the 6 man ranges throughout the arena. i'd like that approach, as i'm a sucker for arena brawls.

[JuveLeo]

Ratings have been slipping a bit. Can't help but think the random airings on Saturday nights have messed up everyones routine. Airing on TBS will benefit AEW.

[Morrison]

Ratings have been slipping a bit. Can't help but think the random airings on Saturday nights have messed up everyones routine. Airing on TBS will benefit AEW.

having to go live on the west coast has fucked them. 5pm isnt exactly the best time for a program to be starting.

[JuveLeo]

having to go live on the west coast has fucked them. 5pm isnt exactly the best time for a program to be starting.

I didn't know that. That definitely plays a part in their recent drop in ratings.

[Bert]

They promoted it as a positive but it's always been live for me so I never really considered what time it would be coming on in other time zones.

[Peter Griffin]

having to go live on the west coast has fucked them. 5pm isnt exactly the best time for a program to be starting.

Why do they 'have' to go live on the west coast? What's changed? As I'm assuming this wasn't always the case.

[Hero!]

NHL schedule is forcing them to go live on the west coast. They’ll be back to normal when they move to TBS

[Peter Griffin]

:yes: American time zones confuse me, Luckily we only have one in little England :lol:

[Hero!]

I just realized that; haha.

Dynamite is starting at 5PM on the west coast which seems to be throwing off the rating, as people either aren’t ready to watch wrestling at that hour, aren’t home yet, or haven’t realized that the show is on.

[Romford Pele]

Is Josh Matthews still doing commentary? If so, he might take Excalijob's place as the worst.

Excalibur is better than the old guys he is with and Josh Matthews. He reminds me a lot of Mauro, which is good.

[Nash Diesel]

Excalibur is better than the old guys he is with and Josh Matthews. He reminds me a lot of Mauro, which is good.

You take that back right now....If not then it trumps the worst thing you've ever said on this board by whatever extreme measurement you acknowledge.

[Romford Pele]

Which part? ;)

[Nash Diesel]

Which part? ;)

Whoever reminded you of Mauro. If they do they're wannabes, we can't have Wish.com Mauro, and need to preserve his legacy.

[VHS]

I find Excalibur extremely annoying. His voice and tone is the same for nearly everything he says and he just doesn't hook me at all.

I so miss Mauro calling wrestling tho :(

[Bert]

Great article on the mad King.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/eddie-kingston-aew-wrestling

[Tyrone]

Excellent read, thanks for posting that. Read from time to time but hadn't caught that one yet.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/iXpEDb8BXHw

[Hero!]

Eddie Kingston is the best

[Vandal]

That Eddie Kingston Video is excellent.

[Peter Griffin]

Eddie is the man.

[Murphy]

Great article on the mad King.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/eddie-kingston-aew-wrestling

Read this last night. Excellent read.

Eddie is surely at the very least going to get a victory over Punk. Whether it's Saturday, which would fucking rule, or their programme continues.

[Nash Diesel]

Read this last night. Excellent read.

Eddie is surely at the very least going to get a victory over Punk. Whether it's Saturday, which would fucking rule, or their programme continues.

I wouldn't say it's a given that Kingston is going to beat Punk. I don't know why you would have him beat Punk but I also didn't get why they had Christian Cage beat Kenny Omega. If Punk's first L is to Eddie Kingston....yikes.

[Murphy]

It's not a given at all. At least, certainly not for Saturday.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/gZ2IADh.jpeg

I'm excited like most every Wednesday.

[Defrost]

There seems to be a real possibility Kazuchika Okada will be on tonight's show

[Bert]

There seems to be a real possibility Kazuchika Okada will be on tonight's show

I thought it was strange that Tony mentioned Chaos in the video promoting the show tonight.

https://youtu.be/6aWcI1GGGlY

[Bert]

Someone created a video for Punk/Kingston set to Ain't No Sunshine by DMX
https://twitter.com/Jordan_Patu/status/1458449987088498689?t=Ys9jLP04ZYJJiTmBvuPgyQ&s=19

Not as good as the My Way video with Omega/Hangman but also doesn't have the build up.

[Defrost]

And now every tweet they're sending out has the word Chaos in it

[VHS]

Yeah, thoroughly stoked for this show. While I usually catch things later on, I'm finding myself wanting to catch Dynamite live now days.

Going to be on the Discord when the ball drops. Feel free to join in!

https://discord.gg/RBzs86aB

[Nash Diesel]

I'm sure it's going to be something about Okada but let's not forget Colby CHAOS Covington shit all over AEW Saturday night. Former American Top Team member. So there's a little bit of a connection with AEW doing the Impact angle where ATT showed up and beat ass when Lashley was still there.

[Defrost]

No I think it best to forget about Colby Covington as much as possible

[Bert]

I can't see Colby aligning with ATT or IC so I'm not sure what purpose he would serve in AEW.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/WDdvgScUlzw

[Nash Diesel]

I can't see Colby aligning with ATT or IC so I'm not sure what purpose he would serve in AEW.

Exactly. I'm just throwing a useless piece of info. Colby's nickname=Chaos. He had a bad falling out with ATT as it is. I was just rambling.

As far as a purpose? I might not like him but he's one of the bigger draws in MMA. I mean, what purpose does Hook serve in AEW? They don't have enough twinks as it is so they have to add Hook? There's 2 in Jurassic Express right now. 2 too many.

[Bert]

I'm surprised Chaos didn't really do anything after that build up.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm surprised Chaos didn't really do anything after that build up.

Wow, I'm shocked you aren't over here praising the newest additions lol. Good on you brother you'll make a great father.

[Morrison]

I'm surprised Chaos didn't really do anything after that build up.

i really dont know why anybody honestly expected anything.

[Nash Diesel]

I was hoping Okada was going to come out in a Kato mask and clothesline Kenny Omega for 64 minutes.

[Bert]

Don Callis isn't on the banner for Omega/Hangman anymore.

[Bert]

Welp great timing for me to post that.

[Nash Diesel]

Well yeah Callis isn't in prison so he's ok to have around.

[BGMaverick]

Danielson/Romero was a good one and a nice match to have as the opener. Danielson took a break from the fresh finishers in his last match but came back around with the Tequila Sunrise this time. I thought it was a smart story to tell, with Danielson being questioned for taking this match so close to the PPV. That helps eventually tell the assumed story that Danielson would really have to fight from underneath with Miro, which is where he can really tell a good story. All things considered, I’m curious if Danielson was set to win this tournament from the jump. I still think Moxley, with character evolution, was poised to win. The CHAOS stuff mentioned before the match and in the earlier stages of it does seem especially catered to the hardest of the hardcores. I guess that’s good. It’s a better/less intricate pronouncement than when Adam Cole faced Adam Silver on Rampage and they were hammering the name “Budge” over and over.

Good beating by Lambert and Co. Page definitely needs to wear something similar to what he wore he for the street fight lol. Just too used to jeans and taped fists, so that would be an on-brand adjustment. Effective, good go-home segment for what should be a pretty lively match on Saturday.

The one thing I want to see from Anna is less thinking and more reacting. You can just see, though it’s improving, that she’s going slower because she’s thinking about what she’s going to do. Tay is a bit farther along in the development so it’s fitting she’s getting a championship shot. I’m looking forward to Thunder eventually getting another crack at it.

Uninteresting match between Bowens and Jungle Boy, but certainly interesting to see Fish attack Jungle Boy at the request of Cole. Plenty of callback references were made when Fish met up with the Superkliq. Just bring KOR over so reDRagon can be a thing and then a Era of Elite thing can happen and potentially dissolve.

PAC is really, really good. Cody with Death Triangle is a weird alliance lol but you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do.

AEW’s video packages are pretty good and the Page/Omega, MJF/Allin ones were extremely solid.

Felt kind of jarring to see Dynamite end with a talking segment. That does feel pretty rare. I thought the jabs between Omega and Page were solid. Feel like Page purposely wore white with the intention of getting color. It was a good shot but probably hard to beat the all-timers for color. Page definitely didn’t need fan support coming out of the segment but he probably got a bit more after the segment. Omega presenting a ruse of sincerity for the eventual sneak attack was a good touch.

[Bert]

Happy Birthday, Defrost

[Defrost]

Thanks

[Mazer]

Happy birthday Frosty.

[BGMaverick]

Happy birthday!

[Nash Diesel]

So there's 4 of us going tomorrow night and we had to talk my son's friend that's going out of wearing a fucking WWE hat with a Triple H shirt. I told him 10 years ago I would've been down for some good trolling but I want to enjoy the show not listen to a bunch of fucking dorks argue back and forth.

This was after talking him out of wearing his John Cena costume he wore 4 years ago for a Halloween party.......

The funny thing is, the only person who has an AEW shirt is my son. I'm going to be representing the nWo Wolfpac and then hopefully snag something cool. The only shirt they have out now that I'm feeling is the CM Punk shirt so if they sell out, oh well.

[Donald]

Didn't have anything better to do on a Saturday night, eh?

[Nash Diesel]

Didn't have anything better to do on a Saturday night, eh?

I'm shocked it hasn't sold out yet. But there will probably be a lot of people waiting until the last minute.

[Donald]

I'd go but I'd rather watch paint dry.

[Nash Diesel]

I'd go but I'd rather watch paint dry.

When was the last wrestling event you attended? Was it at least in this century? lol

[Donald]

When was the last wrestling event you attended? Was it at least in this century? lol

I saw a Smackdown house show live in 2018. Last PPV was WrestleMania 29. Last TV show was Smackdown circa 2012. Last RAW was whenever Ben Roethlisberger hosted.

I was going to go to the RAW in Raleigh a month or two ago but the tickets were too expensive for me for decent seats.

[Nash Diesel]

I saw a Smackdown house show live in 2018. Last PPV was WrestleMania 29. Last TV show was Smackdown circa 2012. Last RAW was whenever Ben Roethlisberger hosted.

I was going to go to the RAW in Raleigh a month or two ago but the tickets were too expensive for me for decent seats.

Nice! I have 1 item left on my bucket list and that's to attend one of the big 4 WWE ppvs. WrestleMania just never seems within a realistic grasp, when it's close I'm broke and when I'm not broke they're too far. I don't really dig flying or driving for years in a car just to see something I could stay at home and watch.

[Donald]

I've seen 3 manias live, I recommend it. Every 9 years so I guess I need to go see next year's live

[Nash Diesel]

I've seen 3 manias live, I recommend it. Every 9 years so I guess I need to go see next year's live

So 11, 20, 29? 11 gets some shit but I would've killed to be there live. Diesel v. Shawn, Salt N Pepa, JTT, the return of Yokozuna, the Bret/Backlund I Quit match with Piper as the ref.

[Donald]

So 11, 20, 29? 11 gets some shit but I would've killed to be there live. Diesel v. Shawn, Salt N Pepa, JTT, the return of Yokozuna, the Bret/Backlund I Quit match with Piper as the ref.

Yep, WrestleMania 11. It was my 12th birthday too. I didn't know I was going until 5 hours before the event. Woke up on that day and my parents told me we had to go to a dinner for my dad's company, and I remember being so upset because I'd miss watching WrestleMania. Then just after lunch I opened my birthday presents and one of the presents was tickets to Mania. Was so excited. Up until my wedding day that was by far my favorite day on this planet. So it was my favorite day for 22 and a half years lol

I still have the LT T-shirt, the Diesel glove, and the Shawn Michaels heart sunglasses from that event.

[Nash Diesel]

Yep, WrestleMania 11. It was my 12th birthday too. I didn't know I was going until 5 hours before the event. Woke up on that day and my parents told me we had to go to a dinner for my dad's company, and I remember being so upset because I'd miss watching WrestleMania. Then just after lunch I opened my birthday presents and one of the presents was tickets to Mania. Was so excited. Up until my wedding day that was by far my favorite day on this planet. So it was my favorite day for 22 and a half years lol

I still have the LT T-shirt, the Diesel glove, and the Shawn Michaels heart sunglasses from that event.

That's incredible.

I honestly think the only Mania that's ever been within driving distance was Mania 13 in Chicago. Where's the Kansas City or Minneapolis WrestleMania???

Now...I say this after having driven to Detroit and back several times in my younger years lol. 4-5 hours is the cutoff for me these days when it comes to driving.

[Bert]

So there's 4 of us going tomorrow night and we had to talk my son's friend that's going out of wearing a fucking WWE hat with a Triple H shirt. I told him 10 years ago I would've been down for some good trolling but I want to enjoy the show not listen to a bunch of fucking dorks argue back and forth.

This was after talking him out of wearing his John Cena costume he wore 4 years ago for a Halloween party.......

The funny thing is, the only person who has an AEW shirt is my son. I'm going to be representing the nWo Wolfpac and then hopefully snag something cool. The only shirt they have out now that I'm feeling is the CM Punk shirt so if they sell out, oh well.

Which matches are you excited for and which do you not care about?

A bunch of places seem to be doing stories on Hangman. I saw Men's Health did something and now here's one from Sports Illustrated including insight on the story from Omega.
https://www.si.com/wrestling/2021/11/12/aew-full-gear-kenny-omega-hangman-adam-page-story

[BGMaverick]

Kind of a meh Rampage in a vacuum but the video packages were quite stellar. The stuff with Page and the Bucks was a good closing chapter to the match tomorrow.

Kind of cool to see Martin become a hot prospect where people are wanting to but him under their banner. I like that a lot.

Quite a decision to have Hardy win the match with OC. That elbow drop was hilarious too. I guess the loss allows CHAOS to help even things up?

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/o0YJgm6Auz8

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/AtalJ9zUVEE

[Bert]

Great videos showing the Hangman story.


https://youtu.be/4kWsnj7AZ-4

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/4XqHK9fSExE

[BGMaverick]

Predictions
Hikaru and Thunder
Andrade & Black
Christian and Jurassic Express
MJF
Punk
Lucha Brothers
Miro
Britt
Inner Circle (least convinced of this one)
Page

[Bert]

Predictions
Hikaru and Thunder
Andrade & Black
Christian and Jurassic Express
MJF
Punk
Lucha Brothers
Miro
Britt
Inner Circle (least convinced of this one)
Page

Any debuts? I could see Brody King.
VHS you going to be in the discord server?

Oh and Bryan not Miro.

[Horatio]

I could see Miro completely mowing over Danielson, making quick work of his winning streak.

[BGMaverick]

Any debuts? I could see Brody King.
@VHS (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=36173) you going to be in the discord server?

Oh and Bryan not Miro.

I’m sure there could be some but I definitely don’t have a clue. If Okada didn’t have a match for NJPW, he’d be my guess.

Maybe I’m wrong and felt Moxley was winning the whole thing so they had to find a credible heel to step up as Page’s first defense…so Miro fits.

My hesitancy with Inner Circle is in regard to whether this is the blowoff or not. If it’s not, then they’ll probably lose here. Just not sure how much farther they want to take this. Lambert is eating a Judas Effect, though.

[Ringo]

Countdown show was class as usual. Got me right in the mood for this. What a card.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i do love saturday for the PPV day.

[Tainted Eclipse]

is this the first time they've done a special entrance set?

[Supernovametalstar]

i do love saturday for the PPV day.

I originally wasn't going to order the show, but after watching the buy-in and then they said that MJF/Darby was going to be first, I said why not. I waste money on stupid shit all the time. That was nearly worth the price in itself. People might make a big deal about Darby losing twice in a row on PPV, but in this situation it all made sense, so I ain't mad. Now to see Kingston try to murder Punk and Miro and Bryan kill each other, and that alone should be worth it.

[Bert]

5 stars for the MJF/Darby match.

I put those two in the fight forever tier with Andrade/Pac. Just unreal chemistry.

[Supernovametalstar]

I do like how the normal flippy lucha style is ineffective against FTR because they're genre savvy in that regard.
One too many finisher kickouts with that Eddie tribute. and that stuffed piledriver. But I'm still enjoying the match. And a little too convoluted with that mask shit at the end, even the crowd was wtf? I'm hoping they don't pull a "it was the wrong man" to do the match again.

But, time for Bryan's chest to get turned to hamburger. :D

[Tainted Eclipse]

frog splash REALLY should have been the ending of the tag title match

[Supernovametalstar]

Do you think if JR calls him Daniel Bryan one more time, Tony Khan will have him repeat Bryan Danielson a hundred times :D
Now it has infected Schiavone!

[Bert]

Bryan won so people have more doubt about Hangman winning.

[Badger]

Miro/Bryan….Jesus Christ fucking amazing!!!!

MJF/Darby was also great but Miro/Bryan tore it down!!

[Supernovametalstar]

A bit ugly at the end there with that ddt spot, but applause for the entire match. That turned into a damn struggle for survival.

And now for a superkick party.

It takes a tough guy to come out to international tv looking like that on purpose and be unbothered, Schiavone!

[Supernovametalstar]

Bryan won so people have more doubt about Hangman winning.

I thought that, too. I mean, I don't think they're afraid to do face vs face at times.

Jungle Boy wearing pants seems...odd at first. But I'm getting Calvin Klein model vibes from him. Maybe their theme adds to it.

[Badger]

The Young Bucks outfits:

https://youtu.be/SkkIwO_X4i4

[Supernovametalstar]

That's one for the highlight reel. That was an HBK elbow for sure.

[Supernovametalstar]

oh, so we get a TLC match after all. The crowd approves.

[Bert]

Luchasaurus is still green.

[Supernovametalstar]

Luchasaurus is still green.

Dat shooting star, thou!

[Bert]

Dat shooting star, thou!

Just took me out of it when he missed the timing kicking the Bucks with the chairs and Christian had to tell him to turn around for superkicks. Still a good match though.

[Badger]

Luchasaurus is still green.

He’s always green…maybe make him wear a red mask next time.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the layout/timing of this show is really bad.

[Badger]

the layout/timing of this show is really bad.

Hi Nash. :wave:

[Badger]

Honestly just seems like nitpicking

[Supernovametalstar]

Is Cody? Is he? Is he embracing the hate?! That smirk at the boos makes me think so.
Ha, nevermind. HIm giving the weight belt to the fan in the crowd says different. Perhaps. Embrace the hate Cody! If they wanted to go whole hog with it, have him give a belt to a fan, but in a losing effort, he goes and snatches it back. If anyone should give the "you people turned your backs on me" speech, it's him.

[Donald]

the layout/timing of this show is really bad.

I agree I would have started it at 5 pm

[Supernovametalstar]

the layout/timing of this show is really bad.

I will say, given how long, and entertaining, previous matches have been, this one shouldn't go on too much longer. Especially since the crowd is expecting shenanigans in this one. And there are at least three more matches people want to pop for.

[Bert]

I want Windham.

[Supernovametalstar]

I want Windham.

He's Hollywood now, brother! He might not even want to come back to wrestling yet.

[Supernovametalstar]

Reba is so cringey. I know she's supposed to be, but dial it back a bit.
Edit: Tay should NOT be kicking out of an air raid crash on the apron.
And STOP with surprised Pikachu faces, jeebus.

[Bert]

Rebel sounds like she has a sore throat.

Tay still has some work to do.

[Bert]

I'm glad Jamie put the highlights back in her hair. I hope she didn't burn any from the falling pyro.

[Bert]

SHORTS

[Supernovametalstar]

Crowd is awake with that smack upside the head

[Supernovametalstar]

I see what you did there, Punk. Channelling your inner Cena, I see

[Supernovametalstar]

Felt like that match needed a few more minutes. But short and sweet is good. Now for the street fight. I think we've seen it already with the falls count anywhere match, so they need to pull out some stops to top that one.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'm gonna be watching this tomorrow. Can someone tag me with overall impression of the show without spoilers?

[Tainted Eclipse]

I'm gonna be watching this tomorrow. Can someone tag me with overall impression of the show without spoilers?

excellent opener but long match times and poor pacing make the show drag and wear the crowd out.

[Morrison]

excellent opener but long match times and poor pacing make the show drag and wear the crowd out.

they were into everything until the women's title match, which was sloppy, and they immediately came back for punk/kingston.

[Bert]

Jay Lethal!

Someone I kind of overlooked just because he's older.

[Vandal]

JAY LETHAL IS ALL ELITE!

Jay will challenge Sammy for the TNT Championship on Dynamite!

Great PPV.

[Supernovametalstar]

A lot of silver and gold going on with this match. It's one of my favorite color combinations. I love it!

[Tainted Eclipse]

SO much wrong with this PPV. but there were three excellent matches and when it's all said and done i enjoyed it more than any of the WWE PPVs i've watched in the last 5 years or so.

[Bert]

SO much wrong with this PPV. but there were three excellent matches and when it's all said and done i enjoyed it more than any of the WWE PPVs i've watched in the last 5 years or so.

Highly disagree with so much being wrong with it.

[Bert]

I wanted the OWA kick out though damnit.

[Morrison]

SO much wrong with this PPV. but there were three excellent matches and when it's all said and done i enjoyed it more than any of the WWE PPVs i've watched in the last 5 years or so.

lol wat.

[Bert]

The only matches that were just ok were Tay/Britt and the Inner Circle street fight.

Everything else was good or great.

[Bert]

Maybe you're just in a bad mood and it's Tainted your viewpoint.

[Tainted Eclipse]

opening your show with four 20 minute matches is terrible pacing. the crowd got worn out very quickly. i don't know how anyone could claim the crowd wasn't extremely underwhelming for the main event.

[Supernovametalstar]

Highly disagree with so much being wrong with it.

I'll say this about AEW. Since they normally don't do screwy finishes to their PPV or big matches, it makes the times when it looks like they're going to even more heart-stopping. The commentary dialogue throughout when the Young Bucks came out is an indicator of this. Twas a great match. And I like the subtlety at the end with everybody. About the only thing I didn't like was Callis laying there dead on the apron for like 5 minutes.

As far as pacing goes, this show does give an example of why you need concession break matches or in-ring loligags for intermission. But AEW doesn't really have that yet. I dare say that's a good problem to have, because it's not perceived as a complete clown show. Because it's inevitable, think about the build to this show and the build to Survivor Series. The show is called Full Gear, which means you are giving maximum effort. All the matches were either for titles, pride, or vengeance. I would expect a show like Survivor Series to be about surviving an onslaught for various reason to get to your goal. But that show seems like everyone is just going to work for the paycheck. Even the pride matches with the champions don't seem meaningful.

[Bert]

opening your show with four 20 minute matches is terrible pacing. the crowd got worn out very quickly. i don't know how anyone could claim the crowd wasn't extremely underwhelming for the main event.

Pretty much every match was long. And I don't see how you found that underwhelming at all. The pop for kicking out of the OWA would have been massive though.

[Bert]

The one match under 15mins from the PPV was Punk/Kingston.

[Supernovametalstar]

The one match under 15mins from the PPV was Punk/Kingston.

Ironically, that was the one I thought should have been longer. Shave minutes from the tag title match and end that one with the frog splash spot instead of that weirdness they did, and there you have it.

[Jordo]

Dear wrestling gods.

Please let this Kingston/Punk story lead to punk playing this tweener role till Mox comes back. Please dear wrestling baby Jesus let punk solidify his heel turn on fresh out of rehab mox.

Pretty pretty please, I’ve been a good boy lately and I don’t ask for much

[Jordo]

I wanted the OWA kick out though damnit.

I was gonna say this in our chat but the moment passed.

You’re totally right, the pop would of been insane and might of given the match that extra little kick but…

No one kicking out of the OWA was a big thing in NJPW, not saying most of AEW’s audience doesn’t know about it, but establishing it on US TV for quite a while is probably not a bad idea.

Also the fact that it’s probably only a matter of time before Okada and Ibushi show up in AEW. It makes sense to leave the OWA Uber protected

[Jordo]

And Page winning was enough.

If Kenny was gonna win I think a kick out and then Page getting screwed would of been a cool way to keep the story going

[VHS]

Any debuts? I could see Brody King.
@VHS (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=36173) you going to be in the discord server?

Oh and Bryan not Miro.

Was working all day today, but going to start watching it in a minute. :)

[Nash Diesel]

What up fools?

Here's the quick rundown.

-My son's friend wound up rocking a 1997/1998 Sting shirt. Prior to the show actually met Sting, Matt Hardy, Wardlow, saw Lucha Bros from a distance in the parking lot, and had a weird moment with Mark Henry.

-I was a little surprised at how they just randomly brought out Jay Lethal. People popped. I've never been a big fan of Jay Lethal post-TNA. But when you think about the fact he was the one constant in ROH for almost 10 years it was a big deal if you actually knew WHY. Let's just say that in terms of ROH, the only other arrival that would be on par or bigger would be Dem Boyz.

-I'd say the majority of the crowd was up and down in terms of energy after the first 3 matches because they seemed to go on forever. I'd say Punk/Kingston woke everyone back up. Definitely the most anticipated match for me, and literally everyone around us were praying we get more. I have a feeling it was another one and done.

-The crowd popped hard for Page winning but if you were there, a lot of fans were thinking Omega was going to win after Danielson beat God's lamest wrestler Miro. People were also shocked Superdorks lost, that was probably the highlight for me lol. I was actually pretty shocked at how small Page and Omega are. MJF and Darby Allin can't be any bigger than Rey Mysterio. Darby looked mad skinny--or maybe it was because we met Wardlow and in my head I'm like shit, this guy would be average in WWE but compared to everyone else he's Abyss in TNA next to the X division.

-Good show overall. Only my 2nd ppv ever. My first was Judgement Day 2008 which also had CM Punk, a show where I also took my then 6 year old son and we bumped into Matt Hardy (and Jeff who was just coming off a suspension and later go on to face MVP).

[Nash Diesel]

Also, don't be fooled. We kicked it with Cody Rhodes and some of his people and there were fans coming up kissing his ass left and right. If he's going for that John Cena/Roman Reigns vibe he has it.

[Nash Diesel]

Which matches are you excited for and which do you not care about?

A bunch of places seem to be doing stories on Hangman. I saw Men's Health did something and now here's one from Sports Illustrated including insight on the story from Omega.
https://www.si.com/wrestling/2021/11/12/aew-full-gear-kenny-omega-hangman-adam-page-story


Going into it I was thinking on paper it was going to be a good show. I've only been to a handful of shows in general over the last 20 years so even the idea of seeing guys from the WWE/WCW that I hadn't seen in forever. I told my son, the last time I saw Sting he was nWo Wolfpac. We had actually missed Sting's Raw debut that happened here in Des Moines.

[Psycho666Soldier]

As someone who's not really a fan of Hangman, how did you feel about that match/moment?

[Nash Diesel]

As someone who's not really a fan of Hangman, how did you feel about that match/moment?

I'm a fan of Page I just don't know if I'm seeing him as World champion when looking at 10-20 others on the roster. To me it seems like every champion is lesser known than the previous. A guy next to me said that upcoming Dynamite was in Virginia so that kind of cemented the fact he was going to take the belt from Omega. I don't know how I felt. The 4 of us that went, nobody was thinking Page was going to win and nobody but me cared about either guy lol. The other guy my age that went didn't know anything about the last 10 years of wrestling other than CM Punk because he's a big MMA guy. So he was excited to learn JDS and Arlovski were going to be in a match.



I'll say this....The place popped but it wasn't the biggest pop of the night.

[Nash Diesel]

A lot of nods to Eddie Guerrero by the way. There were a few people rocking the old school memorial shirt. I didn't even think about it because it was the 1 year anniversary of one of my best friend's suicide. So when I got there and my son was like oh shit Eddie died on this night 16 years ago in Minneapolis....I wish I had rocked one of my Eddie shirts.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I will say, I totally get what Tainted was talking about with the pacing. I think the Tag Title, Falls Count Anywhere, and Women's matches all could have had some minutes shaved off and given a couple of those to Punk/Kingston. Hell, take off some time from Miro/Bryan, Inner Circle/ATT and especially Cody/Pac vs. Black/Andrade and you could maybe have even shrunk this to a 3-3.5 hour PPV which I think would have been a tighter package.

That said, I still enjoyed most of it with MJF/Darby, Punk/Kingston, and Omega/Hangman being the main highlights. Loved the Tag Title match, too, but it was dampened by the convoluted finish. Excited for Hangman's moment. Personally, I'd be fine with him getting a defense over Bryan as a way of legitimizing him before promptly losing to a mega heel like MJF or a turning Punk or something on that level, but if the matches deliver and the crowd doesn't turn, I'm fine with giving him a solidly lengthy run.

Pretty mixed on Jay Lethal. I used to love the dude when he came back to ROH and was churning out a banger of a feud with Ciampa. But the allegations about Taeler Hendrix have just made me feel icky about enjoying his work,

[Bert]

But the allegations about Taeler Hendrix have just made me feel icky about enjoying his work,

Anyone can make allegations about anyone else at any time for any reason. As far as I'm aware no proof was ever found.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Anyone can make allegations about anyone else at any time for any reason. As far as I'm aware no proof was ever found.

Just because anyone can make allegations, doesn't mean it's always a lie. And when the only people that would really know what happened are Taeler and Jay Lethal, it's kind of hard to provide evidence. Shit just didn't quite smell right with the situation. Honestly, I think there could be worse allegations anyway, but it's just unfortunate if true.

[Bert]

I didn't say it's always a lie. There is burden of proof though. ROH did do an investigation and didn't find anything.

[Tyson]

I didn't say it's always a lie. There is burden of proof though. ROH did do an investigation and didn't find anything.

A company conducted an investigation and found no wrongdoing by their biggest star? I. Am. Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Again, I don't know what evidence you even find in that situation. Talk to Jay Lethal and Taeler and decide who you believe more? It doesn't help when you have people like Kelly Klein corroborating these things while simultaneously being open about praising ROH for the things they do right. That comes off like people that genuinely want a change, not trying to start a smear campaign.

[Bert]

A company conducted an investigation and found no wrongdoing by their biggest star? I. Am. Shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

They could just be like WWE when they fired Enzo with no proof of the allegations and then it turned out he was telling the truth.

[Nash Diesel]

I will say, I totally get what Tainted was talking about with the pacing. I think the Tag Title, Falls Count Anywhere, and Women's matches all could have had some minutes shaved off and given a couple of those to Punk/Kingston. Hell, take off some time from Miro/Bryan, Inner Circle/ATT and especially Cody/Pac vs. Black/Andrade and you could maybe have even shrunk this to a 3-3.5 hour PPV which I think would have been a tighter package.

That said, I still enjoyed most of it with MJF/Darby, Punk/Kingston, and Omega/Hangman being the main highlights. Loved the Tag Title match, too, but it was dampened by the convoluted finish. Excited for Hangman's moment. Personally, I'd be fine with him getting a defense over Bryan as a way of legitimizing him before promptly losing to a mega heel like MJF or a turning Punk or something on that level, but if the matches deliver and the crowd doesn't turn, I'm fine with giving him a solidly lengthy run.

Pretty mixed on Jay Lethal. I used to love the dude when he came back to ROH and was churning out a banger of a feud with Ciampa. But the allegations about Taeler Hendrix have just made me feel icky about enjoying his work,

I don't even think you needed to add more time to Punk/Kingston. Only a couple of those matches should've been north of 15 minutes. You have to remember, that doesn't include entrances. Some of these cats were taking forever to get to the ring. Then they get to the ring and they have to pose for another 2-3 minutes. Then Justin Roberts has to introduce everyone like a bargain bin Bruce Buffer. I'm serious, by the time the women's title match was over I was thinking we were going to get matches that would lose time. Nope lol.

I did not enjoy Lethal getting the mega push. Jay Lethal and Adam Cole getting the super push that they did from ROH made me distance myself until Dalton Castle showed up. If it wasn't for Dalton Castle and some of the New Japan v. ROH shows, I would've checked out sooner than later.

[Murphy]

Coming out of it I didn't think any matches were too long and I'm a chap who doesn't really enjoy the longer matches, generally speaking. But to have so many back to back I do get the argument. Punk and Eddie I did think could have had a bit longer, but it was great.

Guess I was just into every story and therefore the length didn't bother me.

:heart: Hangman. Perfect story.

Was not expecting such a cracking match between Darby and MJF. They kinda blew me away.

[Tyrone]

Caught the show this morning. Awesome from start to finish. Great storytelling with Omega-Page.

[Morrison]

Was not expecting such a cracking match between Darby and MJF. They kinda blew me away.

same. i expected something decent, but as the match went on, it just kept getting better and better.

[Bert]

MJF/Darby was my favorite match of the show.

[Morrison]

MJF/Darby was my favorite match of the show.

i still need to watch miro/bryan, but punk/kingston is mine, currently. kingston is probably my favorite thing is pro wrestling right now, by a whole lot.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'm honestly surprised by people being surprised by how good MJF/Darby was. They've both proven to be excellent workers both in storytelling and getting their shit in.

[Horatio]

Im glad Kingston is getting some love around these parts. So many Chikara Wrestle Factory guys that have made it to the big stage, but Eddie was a year-one standout and he's worked his ass off to stay Legit. AEW were right to pair him up with AmDrag and Punk so soon into their tenures; two dream matches in a one month period and both delivered to the benefit of all 3 hookers.

[Bert]

I'm honestly surprised by people being surprised by how good MJF/Darby was. They've both proven to be excellent workers both in storytelling and getting their shit in.

I know how good MJF can be but he usually doesn't go through these athletic move sequences for the duration that they did for the Darby match. Those two just have an unreal chemistry together also.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I know how good MJF can be but he usually doesn't go through these athletic move sequences for the duration that they did for the Darby match. Those two just have an unreal chemistry together also.

MJF/Jungle Boy

[Bert]

MJF/Jungle Boy

I'll have to rewatch it but I don't remember the athletic move sequences being as intricate or lasting as long for that match.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I guess maybe it didn't have as much chain-wrestling, but it was definitely a workrate match.

Either way, I just thought it kind of surprising because this was pretty much exactly what I expected, which is to say it was awesome.

[Tainted Eclipse]

same. i expected something decent, but as the match went on, it just kept getting better and better.

i think mjf is such an outstanding character/promo guy people can overlook the fact that he's actually incredibly good in the ring.

[VHS]

Finally caught this last night, but loved it for the most part. Yeah that MJF/Darby match was my motn as well.

Kenny losing is so awesome and couldn't be happier for Page. Him tearing it up with Bryan is going to be outstanding.

I fast-forwarded through the Bucks and Jericho cluster matches. Just not into those folks.

[Nash Diesel]

If you want to talk about workers that night and I can't speak for how it looked on tv but Christian Cage was the MVP of the night for me. He was in a match that I honestly planned to leave during if I couldn't get my CM Punk shirt prior to the show. It was either that match or depending on what Tay Conti was wearing their match.

Christian just looked so smooth. I'm not saying anything everyone didn't already know but yeah even pushing 50 and the consistency in his performances....Very few men come close in this industry to Christian. Fuck the booking, I don't care if he never had a long reign in WWE as the top guy he was a fucking top guy in a tag-team 20 years ago my friends. Very hard to pull off in WWF/E, being in the same conversation as Austin, Rock, Mankind, Triple H but you're a tag-team.

Christian....MVP of the ppv, possible of the year for an AEW talent in terms of in-ring work. He's dope on the mic, when he says shit it doesn't sound as scripted as everyone else. I hope one day I can meet him and just thank him.

[Bert]

Kenny apparently has a shoulder injury and isn't able to lift anything. Makes the match at Full Gear just that much better. According to reddit he talks about his injuries in this video but I don't have time to watch it right now.


https://youtu.be/sGDMr_zIOtE

[Morrison]

Kenny apparently has a shoulder injury and isn't able to lift anything. Makes the match at Full Gear just that much better. According to reddit he talks about his injuries in this video but I don't have time to watch it right now.


https://youtu.be/sGDMr_zIOtE

he also has been suffering from vertigo where the entire ring will start spinning while he's wrestling.

i want him to take a long time off, asap.

[Nash Diesel]

Jesus Christ....so this guy has been wrestling with vertigo since 2018?

I wonder how common this is and how/why it wasn't caught by AEW's medical staff. That's wild.

[mth]

That seems like it could be a hell of a risk for him and his opponents.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/UaxZXQU.png


https://youtu.be/PoR9oz34FKQ

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/62_wmj9_880

[Psycho666Soldier]

I just read someone on Twitter complain about the outside interference in Omega/Hangman. Which, fair enough if you preferred it wasn't part of the program. But their justification for not liking it was the crowd "booed every time there were outside people coming in." When that's the exact reaction they were hoping for when someone interfered.

Also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910097050627084291/910097329909018664/dynamite.png

:hyper:

[Bert]

Cody deleted his Twitter. In totally unrelated news Too Fast Too Fuego have a match tonight.

https://i.imgur.com/rR40Br1.jpeg

[Donald]

If only everyone deleted their Twitter.

[Nash Diesel]

I just read someone on Twitter complain about the outside interference in Omega/Hangman. Which, fair enough if you preferred it wasn't part of the program. But their justification for not liking it was the crowd "booed every time there were outside people coming in." When that's the exact reaction they were hoping for when someone interfered.

Also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910097050627084291/910097329909018664/dynamite.png

:hyper:

You're misunderstanding the booing. They were not booing like we were a bunch of idiot 5 year olds watching Occupation Era WWF. It was go away why are you doing some bullshit type booing. I think a lot of people were hoping it would've been just a straight up match, no bullshit. The over the top protection of someone like Kenny Omega has no place in any company including AEW and the fans were not playing along booing the heels-they were booing the booking.

I know, shocker, AEW fans don't always blow Tony Khan.

[Murphy]

Kenny apparently has a shoulder injury and isn't able to lift anything. Makes the match at Full Gear just that much better. According to reddit he talks about his injuries in this video but I don't have time to watch it right now.


https://youtu.be/sGDMr_zIOtE

I'm not usually very observant, but I did think his arms/shoulders were looking a little smaller when he approached the ring at Full Gear.

A nice little break for Kenny is well overdue, it seems.

[Bert]

I wonder if he gets a BTE trigger from The Bucks with Cole since they don't like losers, or because they also lost their match we just get some Kenny losing his smile thing and he goes away for a while.

The smark in me would like to know what was said between Omega and Page at the end of the match but I understand Page not wanting to reveal it and it's pretty easy to guess it was something like Page saying thank you for everything and Omega saying something like you deserve it and maybe saying they love each other.

Speaking of hearing people saying things, I laughed when Jericho yelled NOW JUNIOR when JDS was late on his cue because it was kind of a double entendre.

[BGMaverick]

MJF/Allin was my match of the night. Those two had a fantastic match. I was really shocked hearing so much of the crowd being behind MJF. His counter of the Code Red was marvelous. Wonderful to have the announcement of calling his shot before the match and paying it off.

Good story for Danielson/Miro. It wasn’t flashy but was very effective. Another different finish for Danielson and it worked based on the weakness of the opponent. Sudden endings do work against building anticipation for the audience but I liked it.

Punk/Kingston was really fun. I can see why people would want that match to be longer but I thought it was great at that length.

Very cool intro for Page. I thought the main event delivered as it needed to be. Nitpicking but it would have been sweet if Page kicked out of the OWA.

The show was very good but quite long. The other stuff peaked early and had too much time left, or was just okay. Weirdest thing was that finish to the tag title match.

[Bert]

MJF/Allin was my match of the night.

Nitpicking but it would have been sweet if Page kicked out of the OWA.

Weirdest thing was that finish to the tag title match.


https://media.giphy.com/media/l1ughbsd9qXz2s9SE/giphy.gif

Tag title match had a weird ending because Dax got knocked out, allegedly by Fenix who is known to work stiff, and they had to call an audible to finish the match. I need to watch it back. Reports also said Fenix had some heat for not checking on Dax after the match which if true is disappointing.

[BGMaverick]

I read about the shot before watching the match. There was only one spot where I thought Fenix caught him heavy with a shot but that seemed more like towards the middle portion of the match. Maybe he just was carrying himself rather well (because it didn’t seem like he just disappeared) until things fell apart at the end, and they absolutely did fall apart lol. The idea for the finish could have been clever but it was absolutely bungled and it made things look pretty subpar.

[Donald]

A lot of 20 minute matches, looks like. That was the reason I didn't like watching NXT TakeOvers. Like, if it was one match in the 20 minute range fine, but 5, 6, 10 matches all that length?

I'd rather something like WrestleMania VI, where you have 15 matches but all but two were under 10 minutes. I'd rather have 10 squash matches than watch Kyle O'Reilly vs. Adam Cole or Daniel Bryan vs. Kenny Omega for 30 minuets. Ugh.

Also it seems like AEW's roster is just so huge. Are people getting lost in the shuffle? That was a criticism of WWE a year or two ago.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think four 20+ min. matches and the rest 7-15 min. in a 3 hour show is pretty much perfect. I'm not sure how I feel about the 4 hour format outside of one show per year.

[Bert]

145,000 buys is what they're reporting for Full Gear. 2nd highest ever.

All Out did 205k.

https://i.imgur.com/wvmsm3g.png

[Donald]

What was the rate for All In, that Cody did a few years ago

[Bert]

What was the rate for All In, that Cody did a few years ago

55k.

[Donald]

Nice to see growth in their numbers. Anything below 100k would be a disappointment now

[Nash Diesel]

It doesn't feel like the last ppv I ordered from AEW (Revolution) was back in March.

[Mazer]

It doesn't feel like the last ppv I ordered from AEW (Revolution) was back in March.

What can we do to help you get that last ordered a PPV in March feeling back?

[Bert]

https://twitter.com/danny_b_va/status/1461046989240606726?t=L3Db1JEouD3GQRe_7ebz9A&s=19

[Bert]

Rumor/spoiler from Fightful Select
Briscoes are backstage.

[Tainted Eclipse]

danielson is such a great heel

[Bert]

I'm loving heel Bryan.

[Bert]

Oh my fucking God it's happening

[Bert]

https://www1.pictures.livingly.com/mp/cw7J_8neAiXl.gif

[Nash Diesel]

I hope that spoiler is true but watch all the butthurt fans come out the woodwork, especially if they're already coming for Jay.

CM Punk v. MJF. I would like to have seen the 2 feuds they were in continue as they were mega short butttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt AEW has to see that their ratings aren't really doing anything and people have been wanting Punk and MJF for probably a year or 2 (If Punk ever came to AEW I'd want to see him v. MJF conversations).

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/Tnicl1m.jpg

This is why Cole said that tonight.

[Bert]

https://streamja.com/kqBjb

I feel like I'm going to remember this MJF promo for a long time. He's not wrong either.

[Donald]

He was wrong about being good on the stick.

[Bert]

He was wrong about being good on the stick.

Donald, don't troll.

[Donald]

If saying mean things to people and cursing makes you good, then I'd be king on the microphone.

[mth]

I do find it interesting that MJF cuts promos where he says the same shit WWE folks got raked over the coals for or accused of "cheap heat" (people being dead and/or in hell, people should have been aborted, etc.) but it seems like he gets a free pass for some reason.

[Mazer]

If saying mean things to people and cursing makes you good, then I'd be king on the microphone.



https://y.yarn.co/577ecc0f-015e-4d6a-8779-8d656cf5b4c1_text.gif



Also, I do not believe you say mean things to people. I reject this statement.


I do find it interesting that MJF cuts promos where he says the same shit WWE folks got raked over the coals for or accused of "cheap heat" (people being dead and/or in hell, people should have been aborted, etc.) but it seems like he gets a free pass for some reason.

Agreed. I don't see what he does a whole lot different than the Reid Flair/Jerry Lawler stuff that got shit on as too far. Just a different level of acceptance when it comes from this company.


I'm ok with it, and I do think MJF is very effective on the mic.





The varying reactions are fun though.

[Bert]

He gets away with it because he doesn't drop the gimmick.

[Nash Diesel]

The only problem I have with MJF lately is that he has been leaning a little too hard into the shock and awe approach that I don't really think he had until after the Jericho feud. Leave that shit to a nobody like Max Caster. I still think MJF is dope, the problem is he's just being a little too over the top for the audience that watches him.

People laugh at the guy flipping off a little kid and then try to say "He's staying character" Well, nobody is really taking it seriously. It's kind of like Max Caster, what are they going to say next that's low brow to shock the audience? I don't think MJF needs that. It doesn't get him legit heel heat because he's doing it in front of an ultra smarky crowd. I love his parents, but it just makes it a little too cheese dick for me.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I do find it interesting that MJF cuts promos where he says the same shit WWE folks got raked over the coals for or accused of "cheap heat" (people being dead and/or in hell, people should have been aborted, etc.) but it seems like he gets a free pass for some reason.

I personally have always liked that kind of mic work so :dunno:

[Nash Diesel]

I personally have always liked it when people put effort into their promos :dunno:

I mean, if you like these promos but hate all those friends who went into the military and came out assholes-they must really say some fucked up shit.

[Donald]

Could you imagine if Vince McMahon was as vocal as Tony Khan? I know Twitter and shit didn't exist in the 80s or 90s but damn most people didn't even know Vince run WWE until 1997.

[Nash Diesel]

Could you imagine if Vince McMahon was as vocal as Tony Khan? I know Twitter and shit didn't exist in the 80s or 90s but damn most people didn't even know Vince run WWE until 1997.

Vince might not be a buffoon on Twitter because that's not his generation. But when you think about the stupid shit he's said over the years on tv and other media outlets....Hard to put him on a pedestal.

[Donald]

Yeah I suppose until Tony Khan says the n word on live television he'll forever be on a higher pedestal than Vince.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I personally have always liked it when people put effort into their promos :dunno:

I mean, if you like these promos but hate all those friends who went into the military and came out assholes-they must really say some fucked up shit.

There's a difference in saying something for shock and becoming a hateful person lol.

I never said it's an excuse for not putting effort into your promo.

[Badger]

I don’t get why there’s heat in here for MJF being too cheap. Some people may call it cheap or easy which it is but then that’s what the basic definition of a what a heel is. Fuck the shades of grey, go for the low brow. He backs it up when he needs to but at the same time he doesn’t wrestle often. He’s a prize fighter too, only adds to the heat when he doesn’t do it every week. Heels brag and don’t want to fight all the time, he’s doing his job.

Sometimes there’s too many shades of grey, clear cut with him. Maybe somewhat predictable but that works with the general masses.

[Nash Diesel]

I don’t get why there’s heat in here for MJF being too cheap. Some people may call it cheap or easy which it is but then that’s what the basic definition of a what a heel is. Fuck the shades of grey, go for the low brow. He backs it up when he needs to but at the same time he doesn’t wrestle often. He’s a prize fighter too, only adds to the heat when he doesn’t do it every week. Heels brag and don’t want to fight all the time, he’s doing his job.

Sometimes there’s too many shades of grey, clear cut with him. Maybe somewhat predictable but that works with the general masses.

If you were talking a bunch of 10 year olds or fans who are completely oblivious that are our age (30-40+) sure.....But we are not idiots. 20+ years ago this kind of heat would be legit shocking, nuclear. But when you grew up watching Bubba Ray Dudley dress down a mother and daughter when even the ECW marks didn't know what to think was real---it's hard to look beyond what MJF does sometimes.

Cheap heat isn't always good. Personally, I just don't think it comes across as natural as some of his other material. So a lot of what you're talking about is perfectly fine when it comes to him being the prizefighter, being braggadocios....but sometimes certain heels don't need that. Paige didn't need to shit on Reid Flair, Orton didn't need to shit on Eddie Guerrero, MJF shitting on Pillman Jr's mom--not really negative to that she has it coming lol. But the low hanging fruit jabs about his dad, I guess they were bound to be made and look what it's done for neither of them lol.

[Badger]

If you were talking a bunch of 10 year olds or fans who are completely oblivious that are our age (30-40+) sure.....But we are not idiots. 20+ years ago this kind of heat would be legit shocking, nuclear. But when you grew up watching Bubba Ray Dudley dress down a mother and daughter when even the ECW marks didn't know what to think was real---it's hard to look beyond what MJF does sometimes.

Cheap heat isn't always good. Personally, I just don't think it comes across as natural as some of his other material. So a lot of what you're talking about is perfectly fine when it comes to him being the prizefighter, being braggadocios....but sometimes certain heels don't need that. Paige didn't need to shit on Reid Flair, Orton didn't need to shit on Eddie Guerrero, MJF shitting on Pillman Jr's mom--not really negative to that she has it coming lol. But the low hanging fruit jabs about his dad, I guess they were bound to be made and look what it's done for neither of them lol.

Judging from how it comes across on TV, it is still working so why does he feel the need to change it? Maybe not all the live crowds are entirely smarky.

He could put more thought into it I guess, but as long as he is getting the generally desired reaction which he is then why would he need to change it up?

The straight-forward low brow is sometimes better that than guys like cool heel HHH trying to break the fourth wall “Oh Cena pumps up his Reeboks. Five moves of doom!” lol. Though I did sort of titter at Punk a little bit but again shades of grey, is he supposed to be heel or face? Make it clear.

[Nash Diesel]

Judging from how it comes across on TV, it is still working so why does he feel the need to change it? Maybe not all the live crowds are entirely smarky.

He could put more thought into it I guess, but as long as he is getting the generally desired reaction which he is then why would he need to change it up?

The straight-forward low brow is sometimes better that than guys like cool heel HHH trying to break the fourth wall “Oh Cena pumps up his Reeboks. Five moves of doom!” lol. Though I did sort of titter at Punk a little bit but again shades of grey, is he supposed to be heel or face? Make it clear.

I get that if you think what is being presented to you is void of any criticism, but that's just not how this works.

It's funny you bring up people breaking the fourth wall and MJF does that constantly. It's not a bad thing. You're acting like I'm sitting here saying that nothing he does is working. Put down the crack and read.

[Nash Diesel]

And for the record, Triple H is one of the best to shoot from the hip on the spot and he's also said some lame shit just to be shocking when he didn't have to be. He's done lame shit just to be shocking in general. A lot of DX both back in the 90's and the 2nd go around with Shawn. Katie Vick? Maybe that's a blur to you as it is to me but I still remember it.

The problem with wrestling today is a lot of wrestlers want to break that 4th wall i.e. shoot in AEW, and then can't figure out why the only people who get booed are the babyfaces.

[Badger]

I get that if you think what is being presented to you is void of any criticism, but that's just not how this works.

It's funny you bring up people breaking the fourth wall and MJF does that constantly. It's not a bad thing. You're acting like I'm sitting here saying that nothing he does is working. Put down the crack and read.

Was there any need for that last sentence?

To be honest dude and I’m not the first to say this but you are hard to read yourself over whether you are positive or you just love to jump on folks that are being too positive over AEW.

I was simply making a point that MJF while he does go for cheap, in general he hasn’t taken real life worked shoots like other guys have. He shoots on family but he’s not “behind the curtain backstage secrets” so far like other guys have.

Bottom line is what he’s doing is working. Why does he need to change?

[Nash Diesel]

Was there any need for that last sentence?

To be honest dude and I’m not the first to say this but you are hard to read yourself over whether you are positive or you just love to jump on folks that are being too positive over AEW.

I was simply making a point that MJF while he does go for cheap, in general he hasn’t taken real life worked shoots like other guys have. He shoots on family but he’s not “behind the curtain backstage secrets” so far like other guys have.

Bottom line is what he’s doing is working. Why does he need to change?

That last question is idiotic.

He's going to change, and he has changed. I'm simply stating that he's good enough to where he doesn't need to take it that far in certain moments. It's not needed and it doesn't work. So yeah, he's going to change it up because he'll find that just because you can say a bunch of edgy shit doesn't make it edgy.

If he walks out tomorrow night and denounces his religion and does a Hitler salute, are we cool with that too?

[Badger]

That last question is idiotic.

He's going to change, and he has changed. I'm simply stating that he's good enough to where he doesn't need to take it that far in certain moments. It's not needed and it doesn't work. So yeah, he's going to change it up because he'll find that just because you can say a bunch of edgy shit doesn't make it edgy.

If he walks out tomorrow night and denounces his religion and does a Hitler salute, are we cool with that too?

It’s working right now though. Obviously things, people and feuds evolve but you’re acting like it’s a big problem now and needs to nip it in the bud now.

Just seems like nit-picking when he’s continuing to successfully draw heat from a supposedly over-smarky audience.

[Bert]

Meltzer didn't give MJF/Darby 5* (4.5) but he did the Bucks match 5*. Lol.

5.5 for Omega/Page.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Of course he did.

[Nash Diesel]

It’s working right now though. Obviously things, people and feuds evolve but you’re acting like it’s a big problem now and needs to nip it in the bud now.

Just seems like nit-picking when he’s continuing to successfully draw heat from a supposedly over-smarky audience.

I'm not acting like it's a big deal at all. It was mentioned that when he goes for the cheap heat it's lame, and I agreed.

This isn't a SUPPOSEDLY over-smarky audience. It IS a over-smarky audience and that's the charm of AEW. That's why my main man Kojima can show up and get a Road Warriors pop. You think if Kojima showed up on Monday Night Raw that audience would react the same as an AEW audience?

Let me put it to you this way. When Excalibur is bringing up shit that happened in Germany 10 years ago with Malakai Black or he says that Ever Rise and The Young Bucks have a history from PWG years ago....Who the fuck is going to know that shit? When Kingston is out there name dropping Homicide and calling Cesaro "Claudio", what random fan is picking up on that? None.

But going back to MJF....I can't stress enough how much of a fan I am of his which is why I'm saying, to me, the shit that don't work is the "Darby Allin it should've been you instead of your dead uncle!" He doesn't do it a lot, and when he does I'm sure some people dig it but for me it's overkill.

[Badger]

Agree to disagree then. Personally I think cheap heat is fine if not original but it works.

[Nash Diesel]

Agree to disagree then. Personally I think cheap heat is fine if not original but it works.

Cheap heat works in certain cases and seems to be more for people who can't really get over any other way (see Max Caster). I think that's the disconnect here, some are too busy trying to generalize everything and not paying attention to the specifics.

[Sasori]

The same guy who worked on Omega also had a session with Miro. It's a fun watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXIDlMxA_jA

[Donald]

Sounds erotic

[Bert]

Haha Mr. Ass chants.

[Bert]

Punk and Cabana both wrestling on Dynamite. Maybe they'll pass each other in the tunnel.

[Bert]

Posting this both places.


https://i.imgur.com/H60rYdE.jpeg

[Donald]

I read that as furry grappling

[mth]

That's called yiffing.

[Defrost]

I love how Omega basically Shawn Michaels' his way out of the TNA and AAA titles. Lost one to a non TNA guy and didn't even bother dropping the other belt.

[BGMaverick]

Really enjoyed how Danielson and Page created animosity and purpose right from the jump. The jabs they took at each other were fun. Danielson getting booed at the mere callback to Wrestlemania was funny. The fact we saw what we saw with Danielson still convinces me that Moxley was poised to win that tournament and turn heel along the way. Danielson is a lot of things and being smart is one of them. Page is a beloved babyface and Danielson is essentially that since he appeared in AEW. Problem is, you're not doing any favors for the new champ if Danielson is just fighting for the championship and doing so respectfully, thus splitting the audience in half. While not a champion, everyone and their mother knows Danielson is one of the best in the world, has won more world championships than the company wants to acknowledge lol and can work the crowd like very few can. He just wants to show this new audience what he's made of and he doesn't think Page is on his level. For Page, he's at a new high with his confidence, but he still has more to prove. Danielson running through the Dark Order to get to Page will help everyone.

Omega showing sincerity while congratulating Page was a nice touch. His soul might be nearly dead but he still had some warmth there for his old friend. Nice little tease of a divide as Cole thought Omega was telling him to hold down the fort but Omega was telling that to the Bucks.

MJF's promo from Saturday was on point. The stuff centered around MJF has been about that he can talk with the best of them but he showed he can work just as well when the bell rings, and that flips the script because he's able to prove that he's legit. Of course the rub comes because he cheated to win but that doesn't change the fact he had a classic with Allin. We've been waiting for Punk to get some stuff to seek his teeth into. We had a sprint with Kingston and it appears where getting something more substantial with MJF. I do like the contrast within the show with the confrontations. Danielson went aggressive with Page and the Dark Order, Punk was sly and coy with MJF.

[Bert]

Bryan was always going to win, I feel.

Mox has already been champ. Bryan is this huge WWE guy, it creates more intrigue and obviously he can be a great heel.

[Nash Diesel]

I love that Danielson beat that jobber the other night with the Nate Diaz finish.

Someone is pitching online that the idea is Danielson will turn heel as he beats each DO member leading to his match with Page. If that is what will make AEW fans boo Danielson then I'm done. They are the worst faction on the planet. I'm not booing anyone who beats their asses especially Danielson.....Just fucking turn the guy fuck all this stupid DO shit. None of them but 1 guy can even wrestle, Colt. And he's a fucking joke as it is, modern era Leif Cassidy.

[VHS]

I can't wait to see Bryan beat every single Dark Order member before he gets to Page :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

I can't wait to see Bryan beat every single Dark Order member before he gets to Page :yes:

I can't wait for you to make it to the 5th grade!

[Bert]

Bryan already turned heel after his promo on Dynamite.

I'm not sure he's going to face every single member but Alan Angels and John Silver are hometown boys the shows in the next few weeks at least.

[Nash Diesel]

Bryan already turned heel after his promo on Dynamite.

I'm not sure he's going to face every single member but Alan Angels and John Silver are hometown boys the shows in the next few weeks at least.

Eh, I don't see how that was a heel turn at all. And AEW doesn't believe in heels and babyfaces per their lord and savior Cody Rhodes.

Well I hope for VHS' sake that he does because he's legit excited to see those matches!

[Horatio]

Danielson vs Evil Uno would be the works