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[Bert]

Don't work yourself into a shoot brother brother.

[VHS]

Eh, bitter was probably the wrong word for me to use. Spiteful? I guess he comes off as more spiteful, just to retcon what I said earlier.

[Bert]

Eh, I don't think so. It's the wrestling business. Eric could be on Dynamite tomorrow and I wouldn't be surprised.

[Nash Diesel]

Bischoff's heard worse. He's not losing any sleep over it whatsoever.

[Murphy]

All Fozzy fans are wrestling fans too, right? I mean, he just posted a rehearsal clip on IG and fuck me. :rofl:

Is he deaf?

Each to their own and all that, but Jesus Christ. :lol:

[Hero!]

Hey - it’s not fair to assume that all Fozzy fans are wrestling fans.

some are also Stuck Mojo fans.

[Jenova]

After reading Jericho's response, it's your typical "moving the goal posts to fit your narrative" type deal.

Eric is pretty much spot on in his assessment of TK's boasting - unless you ACTUALLY compete head-to-head with WWE, not a 30-min SD overrun and actually beat them in the overall viewership, they have nothing to boast about.

[Nash Diesel]

It's 2 totally different eras as well. Back in the 90's, WCW were taking over the market from WWF. Then they fumbled the ball. Thankfully. Vince wasn't trying to put WCW out of business, he was trying to maintain his own. By all accounts, Bischoff was trying to take out Vince for whatever reason. In this day and age, good luck. WWE have been marching to the beat of their own drum for as long as I can remember. It allowed them to truly transcend out of the wrestling bubble.

[Bert]

After reading Jericho's response, it's your typical "moving the goal posts to fit your narrative" type deal.

Eric is pretty much spot on in his assessment of TK's boasting - unless you ACTUALLY compete head-to-head with WWE, not a 30-min SD overrun and actually beat them in the overall viewership, they have nothing to boast about.

It's really not. WWE is the ones who decided to overrun Smackdown into Rampage. Smackdown lost that overrun. That's all there is to it. Rampage is only an hour long show.

[Jenova]

It's really not. WWE is the ones who decided to overrun Smackdown into Rampage. Smackdown lost that overrun. That's all there is to it.

The overrun was due to the fact that they were broadcasting on FS1 as opposed to Fox due to the MLB playoffs, I didn't see any tweets or reports that anybody from WWE have said that it was in direct competition to AEW. Tony was the one who made the assumption. Mind you, FS1 is in far fewer households than TNT and SD still had more viewers overall even with the overrun.

I like both companies and have watched their programming but AEW is starting to be a bit of a turn off if their main goal is to destroy WWE where it hurts. I had the same feeling during the MNW when I started tuning out WCW when they kept bringing up putting WWE out of business. I don't know why it's so difficult for AEW to focus squarely on what their doing and not on what WWE is doing.

[Bert]

The overrun was due to the fact that they were broadcasting on FS1 as opposed to Fox due to the MLB playoffs, I didn't see any tweets or reports that anybody from WWE have said that it was in direct competition to AEW. Tony was the one who made the assumption. Mind you, FS1 is in far fewer households than TNT and SD still had more viewers overall even with the overrun.

I like both companies and have watched their programming but AEW is starting to be a bit of a turn off if their main goal is to destroy WWE where it hurts. I had the same feeling during the MNW when I started tuning out WCW when they kept bringing up putting WWE out of business. I don't know why it's so difficult for AEW to focus squarely on what their doing and not on what WWE is doing.

Why does having an overrun because they were on FS1 make any sense? Is that something they've done before? It is as obvious of a move as competing with them with NXT.

Rampage won the overrun. When it was deciding between watching one show or another, they won. I don't think AEW is trying to destroy WWE where it hurts or whatever, they've never been the ones initiating counter programming. WWE started it with NXT and they started it again with the Smackdown overrun.

[Psycho666Soldier]

The overrun was due to the fact that they were broadcasting on FS1 as opposed to Fox due to the MLB playoffs, I didn't see any tweets or reports that anybody from WWE have said that it was in direct competition to AEW. Tony was the one who made the assumption. Mind you, FS1 is in far fewer households than TNT and SD still had more viewers overall even with the overrun.

I like both companies and have watched their programming but AEW is starting to be a bit of a turn off if their main goal is to destroy WWE where it hurts. I had the same feeling during the MNW when I started tuning out WCW when they kept bringing up putting WWE out of business. I don't know why it's so difficult for AEW to focus squarely on what their doing and not on what WWE is doing.

Despite being cocky and overzealous, I don't think Tony Khan and AEW wants to actually put WWE out of business. I think they just want to assert their place as #1. But for all his shit-talking, I don't think Tony hates having competition. I think he's just playing too much on the "chip on your shoulder" attitude of being the company with less establishment.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Like I think Tony is as full of himself as he comes off in these moments, but I also think he sees it as fun and exciting rather than a bitter war to actually put WWE out of business.

[Nash Diesel]

The overrun was due to the fact that they were broadcasting on FS1 as opposed to Fox due to the MLB playoffs, I didn't see any tweets or reports that anybody from WWE have said that it was in direct competition to AEW. Tony was the one who made the assumption. Mind you, FS1 is in far fewer households than TNT and SD still had more viewers overall even with the overrun.

I like both companies and have watched their programming but AEW is starting to be a bit of a turn off if their main goal is to destroy WWE where it hurts. I had the same feeling during the MNW when I started tuning out WCW when they kept bringing up putting WWE out of business. I don't know why it's so difficult for AEW to focus squarely on what their doing and not on what WWE is doing.

That's what their fans want. Plus every other promotion does it. Clout chasing.

I also blame WWE. Triple H and DX didn't need to mention them at all at the HOF. But that's Triple H, he can't fucking resist shooting on people thinking he's getting the last word, the last fuck you-listen to his back and forth promos over the last 24 years. He's terrible at no-selling.

But ultimately it's what the AEW fanbase wants. No different than ECW back in the day. A big selling point for ECW was tuning in on the Sunshine Network every week to hear someone shit on WCW, WWF, or that fat kid in the front with some dirt sheet-inspired sign lol. Also, Tony and his people/fans think they're really at "war" with WWE. It's boring. Been there done that, many times.

[Bert]

I would prefer WWE put on good wrestling shows instead of going out of business. Crown Jewel was good. More like that.

[Nash Diesel]

I would prefer WWE put on good wrestling shows instead of going out of business. Crown Jewel was good. More like that.

They do, they won't, and it was.

[Bert]

RAW sucks, Smackdown is occasionally okay, when not doing rematches for the 30th time.

[Bert]

12 women for the TBS tournament. 4 first round byes. Jade and Nyla are probably two of them. Oh, and it starts tomorrow on Dynamite.

[Nash Diesel]

12 women for the TBS tournament. 4 first round byes. Jade and Nyla are probably two of them. Oh, and it starts tomorrow on Dynamite.

lol. AEW suck massive dick at putting together tournaments.

They don't have 16 women? At least it can't be as bad as the World Title Eliminator.

I guess as long as they all get 20 minute matches it'll be worth it!

[Nash Diesel]

RAW sucks, Smackdown is occasionally okay, when not doing rematches for the 30th time.

WWE collectively puts on better wrestling shows than any other company. Dynamite is better than Raw, but not better than Smackdown. Rampage sucks. NXT is....eh I'm still trying to judge that shit correctly.

[Bert]

lol. AEW suck massive dick at putting together tournaments.

They don't have 16 women? At least it can't be as bad as the World Title Eliminator.

I guess as long as they all get 20 minute matches it'll be worth it!

The entire Queen's Crown tournament was less than 20 mins.

I'll settle for a match over 3 mins. Excluding Jade, her squashing makes sense for her character at least.

[Bert]

Andrade said his AEW contract is for 3 years.

[mth]

12 women for the TBS tournament. 4 first round byes. Jade and Nyla are probably two of them. Oh, and it starts tomorrow on Dynamite.
Hope Abadaon is in...

[Badger]

I think it would be a lot more interesting with Abadaon as champ freaking people out. Jade obv has the size and look but still green and not completely sold on her yet.

[Bert]

I called 2 of the byes! No Abadon. Statlander and Thunder Rosa were the other 2 byes.

https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1451738557924659206?t=2SNS6RlLryf9Zsi-TJCp9g&s=19

Deeb vs Shida again, nice.

[Bert]

Between whiplash from the moonsault and taking that apron DDT I hope Pac doesn't have a concussion. That was a hell of a match though. Those two are so good together.

[Hero!]

Yeah, they had a very nice chemistry together.

Andrade getting help from his real-life homie Black is very cool.

[Tyson]

They don't have 16 women? At least it can't be as bad as the World Title Eliminator.

I guess as long as they all get 20 minute matches it'll be worth it!

I find it very hard to believe that TK didn’t have four more women on the roster to fill out the tournament. FWIW, go on Ruby Soho!!


The entire Queen's Crown tournament was less than 20 mins.

I'll settle for a match over 3 mins.

Co-sign. I don’t need 20 minute matches all the time, but getting in the 10-12 minute range isn’t too much to ask for; let them tell at least a little bit of a story, show some character development.

[VHS]

Feel free to join in on the Rajah Discord for today's Dynamite!

https://discord.gg/cE23P9Hu

[Tainted Eclipse]

can't express how much i love this danielson/dustin match

[MTR]

I find it very hard to believe that TK didn’t have four more women on the roster to fill out the tournament. FWIW, go on Ruby Soho!!

.

There is enough women to do 16. I think they pushing more storyline stuff with this set up and with the first round match ups. I am fine with storylines in the tournaments but I also like just seeing random matches because it is a tournament. We shall see how it plays out.

[Tainted Eclipse]

need to rewatch it but danielson/dustin really might be my MOTY right now.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/3Ruo0lJ.jpeg
Donald

[MTR]

Guess we know who Punk's next opponent. Should be a good match with Fish.

[MTR]

Shit that looked bad. Hope Archer is okay.

[BGMaverick]

I thought Anna and Britt had one of those matches that paired two ladies that you hope to see multiple times over the years for AEW. Anna has improved a bit but she still looks like she's a work in progress.

PAC and Andrade had an extremely fun match. I couldn't make heads or tails out of what Andrade was trying to get across in his promo before the match but it is what it is. At least he mentioned a friend and that came into play after the match. After weeks of appearances, they finally found something to get the crowd to boo Black.

Rhodes and Danielson had a roller coaster of a match in terms of momentum. Both guys really had their moments where they were on the cusp of winning. That probably helps quell concerns at a surface level as to why Rhodes was in the match in the first place but still doesn't fully justify the decision to have him in the tournament haha. I really do like the fact that Danielson is showing off by being able to secure wins with different finishes.

Highly entertaining and very effective segment between MJF and Sting.

Really perplexing set of circumstances for Punk, whether intentional or not. First, he moves on to Bobby Fish? Next, not a damn person wanted to come out and save (checks notes) STING, but Punk needed to go save Greene? That doesn't make sense lol. Semi-related, guys like Fish and now Tony Nese are being brought along but someone like Murphy couldn't come to an agreement before he went elsewhere? Obviously that can and will likely inevitably change but that seems like bringing things along out of order.

Nasty, nasty fall by Archer. He said he's okay, but we'll see how in the coming days.

Really liked the Moxley promo.

Super mixed bag with the main event. The timing felt absolutely off with Andrade coming down the ramp. You don't love to see it when Cody springs back to life relatively fast deep into a match after taking the Black Mass (especially after the combination he took prior to that). That seemed to be pretty understated from commentary's perspective, too. I get that Cody had just as likely of a chance to win this blowoff, but the way it happened didn't do him any favors to win over the crowd lol. Black took a massive beating after he delivered that kick. Sheesh.

[Morrison]

that mox promo was fucking awful. he's spent months getting more and more belligerent about carrying the company during the pandemic and wanting the title back, and now suddenly one week his daughter grabbed his crooked pinky and he goes 'i don't care about the title, i don't care about the tournament.' good for you, mox, but fuck off with that.

[Ringo]

Dynamite thoughts so far...

Danielson/Dustin was just a delight. It's been great to watch Danielson enjoying himself over the last few weeks. I can't say that I'm even slightly intrigued by Tony Nese's presence.

MJF/Sting segment was great, as most MJF segments are. Should be a big old pop when Darby returns.

I'm guessing it'll be Shida/Rose and then Soho/Rose in one half of the TBS tournament with Thunder Rosa facing Anna Jay and Velvet taking on Cargill. Rosa/Cargill in that semi leading to a Cargill/Soho final.

As BG said, Punk saving Anthony Greene to confront Bobby Fish but not Sting made little sense. But generally things in AEW make a lot more sense than they do in WWE, so I can allow it more. Punk/Fish doesn't particularly excite me and since Fish isn't a young guy it doesn't really fit with what Punk has been doing, but I will say that I like how Fish has been presented in AEW so far and I'm a hell of a lot more invested in him than I have been previously. His entrance theme is class.

Looking forward to Danielson/Kingston. This world title eliminator tournament feels incredibly predictable but we'll get some good matches out of it.

[Tainted Eclipse]

that mox promo was fucking awful. he's spent months getting more and more belligerent about carrying the company during the pandemic and wanting the title back, and now suddenly one week his daughter grabbed his crooked pinky and he goes 'i don't care about the title, i don't care about the tournament.' good for you, mox, but fuck off with that.

seriously it was so stupid. and then after he talks about how much he doesn't care about the tournament or the belt, he talks about how dangerous the tournament is and how he's going to win it. what?

[Horatio]

I liked the Mox promo. Things change, but people don't. Made sense. Maybe he'll squash his way into a title match. Maybe it'll lead to some off-time for him in the eventually...

I liked the Kingston/Danielson segment during Rhodes to the Top, too. Kingston's chances of winning seem slim, but Danielson did come off as a kinda overconfident dork, so it should be a close contest.

Punk as locker-room leader of the job squad is strangely fitting for him. I knew they'd make use of him before too long passed.

Still seems like AEW is missing one L.A. Park at this point, but they really have their shit together.

[Morrison]

seriously it was so stupid. and then after he talks about how much he doesn't care about the tournament or the belt, he talks about how dangerous the tournament is and how he's going to win it. what?

it's been grating on my nerves since seeing it. they've done so well making me give a shit about mox, when i couldn't have cared less about dean ambrose, so this promo was like cold water in the face.

[Hero!]

Hey Donald if you ever come back, your man Tony Nese is working AEW dark this week.

[Hero!]

Apparently the AEW/impact relationship is over now and thankfully that means I no longer have to watch the Good Brothers fuckin A

[Bert]

Apparently the AEW/impact relationship is over now and thankfully that means I no longer have to watch the Good Brothers fuckin A

I'm going to miss Sour Boy, even though he was the worst!

[Hero!]

I hate literally everything the good brothers do.

[Nash Diesel]

That AEW-Impact partnership was so blown out of proportion and looked what it lead to....Christian dropping the title to a fucking nobody who then lost to another nobody that should've beat the nobody who Christian won it from in the first place.

Danielson-Rhodes was a good match, props to him giving a shout to the Tribal Chief with the finish. There isn't one good heel in the entire tournament so I'm hoping Danielson wins. TBH, I don't really give a shit if Hangman wins or Omega retains. If Punk doesn't want the belt and wants to wrestle the bottom of the barrel to prove some hipster point, have at it chef. Danielson should be the guy. Best wrestler in the company, huge fanbase, can talk, looks like an idiot but that's his charm.

I'm curious if Archer was supposed to win that match. There's a part of me that thinks we might see Moxley v. Kingston in the finals.

[Bert]

Omega is a nobody? You gotta make your trolling a little less obvious.

Also we all know it's Moxley vs Bryan in the finals.

[kdestiny]

Omega is a nobody? You gotta make your trolling a little less obvious.

Also we all know it's Moxley vs Bryan in the finals.

I think he means losing to Alexander who then lost to Moose

[Bert]

I think he means losing to Alexander who then lost to Moose

"Christian dropping the title to a fucking nobody who then lost to another nobody that should've beat the nobody who Christian won it from in the first place."

Christian dropped it to Alexander, who lost it to Moose, Moose should've beat Omega who Christian won the title from.

Really just use fucking names and don't be so fucking confusing but that's what it reads like to me.

[kdestiny]

Ah yeah sorry, I didn't read that into it because he said "nobody" a lot so it got a bit confusing.

[MTR]

Alexander and Moose are nobodies? I mean I don't watch a ton of Impact but I wouldn't call them nobodies. That being said I hated reading that Alexander won and immediatly lost to Moose. Fans seem really excited when Alexander went for Option C.

[Bert]

I'm surprised Cody didn't change anything up besides his finisher for this match. I thought for sure he'd have a shorter entrance or attack malakai from behind or something but nope.

[Bert]

Jericho Cruise
https://i.imgur.com/KqAX1UH.jpeg

Danhausen, Will Ospreay, OC, and Jericho.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/NYBCPQb.jpeg

[Supernovametalstar]

seriously it was so stupid. and then after he talks about how much he doesn't care about the tournament or the belt, he talks about how dangerous the tournament is and how he's going to win it. what?

I "got" what they were going for with Mox's promo. But at the same time, it was kinda terrible for the message sent. Like JR says all the time, if you're not here to be the champion, then what are you here for? Him going on about how he doesn't care about the title, or the tournament, or anything really, other than getting home to his kid makes me think "okay, great. Go away, then. Get the fuck off my tv so other people can be showcased since you don't give a flying fuck." He did make the caveat about it would be different if he was a plumber or accountant or whatever "mundane" career he listed, I guess we're supposed to still be okay with him since wrestling is all he knows? Unless it leads to him going away, then getting bored at home, and coming back to either "do something" or "prove he can still be on top", he can get rolled up and keep his ass gone.

[Nash Diesel]

When I saw the promo I just thought this is weird....Did I miss a part where he said he was FORCED to be in it? That would've made sense I guess but I don't hear it in the promo. Instead what I'm thinking is, why even join the tourny?

[Sasori]

Rhodes and Danielson had a roller coaster of a match in terms of momentum. Both guys really had their moments where they were on the cusp of winning. That probably helps quell concerns at a surface level as to why Rhodes was in the match in the first place but still doesn't fully justify the decision to have him in the tournament haha. I really do like the fact that Danielson is showing off by being able to secure wins with different finishes.

I didn't notice it until several people pointed out how Brian has won all his matches with a different finish. It's a fresh approach and I want to see what else he comes up with.


that mox promo was fucking awful. he's spent months getting more and more belligerent about carrying the company during the pandemic and wanting the title back, and now suddenly one week his daughter grabbed his crooked pinky and he goes 'i don't care about the title, i don't care about the tournament.' good for you, mox, but fuck off with that.

Once wrestlers start talking about their families and "putting food on the table" I loose interest. Mox's promo was the opposite of Kingston's when he said the only thing he cared about was the title.

[Nash Diesel]

I didn't notice it until several people pointed out how Brian has won all his matches with a different finish. It's a fresh approach and I want to see what else he comes up with.



Once wrestlers start talking about their families and "putting food on the table" I loose interest. Mox's promo was the opposite of Kingston's when he said the only thing he cared about was the title.

It's funny that you talk about Moxley and Kingston and how you get lost in the "food on the table" promos when that same promo is what Kingston did when he first showed up in AEW and everyone thought it was the 2nd coming of Austin.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Only thing I didn't like about the promo was he didn't specify that it would have wrapped up nicely if he had said he needed the title to provide for his daughter's future or some shit. That's ultimately what he was getting at, I just don't think it translated that well.

Otherwise I liked it fine enough. The delivery was still fire.

[Morrison]

Only thing I didn't like about the promo was he didn't specify that it would have wrapped up nicely if he had said he needed the title to provide for his daughter's future or some shit. That's ultimately what he was getting at, I just don't think it translated that well.

Otherwise I liked it fine enough. The delivery was still fire.

i dont think that's what he was getting at at all. the heart of the promo was 'getting home to her' and how he will do whatever is necessary to make sure he gets home to her safe. that's why he said it'd be much easier if he was a plumber or some other 'common' job. but his job is to beat people up, so he will do that when people are placed in front of him, so he can go home and see his little girl. which, like, is sweet, but i dont think i care about rooting for mox to win matches so he gets home safely to see his daughter. IM HEARTLESS.

[Psycho666Soldier]

i dont think that's what he was getting at at all. the heart of the promo was 'getting home to her' and how he will do whatever is necessary to make sure he gets home to her safe. that's why he said it'd be much easier if he was a plumber or some other 'common' job. but his job is to beat people up, so he will do that when people are placed in front of him, so he can go home and see his little girl. which, like, is sweet, but i dont think i care about rooting for mox to win matches so he gets home safely to see his daughter. IM HEARTLESS.

Not saying it is, but what if it's the beginning of a heel turn?

[Morrison]

Not saying it is, but what if it's the beginning of a heel turn?

i could see it being that. mox gets out from under wwe and is all about violence and letting loose, but now with a daughter at home, the bloodlust just isnt there in the same way. the issue is that going off the promo, it would seem he wants to have his cake and eat it, too.

[BGMaverick]

Not saying it is, but what if it's the beginning of a heel turn?

That’s what I took from it. KO had his motivations when he appeared on NXT and it was for his family. Moxley said he’s going to get his opponent before his opponent gets him. He’s got motivation but the methodology could be skewed. That’s ideally what you want from a textured heel.

[Morrison]

KO called himself a prize fighter, though. he never straight up said he didnt cared about the world title.

at this moment, it's just very odd. if it is a building block for a character or alignment change, unfortunately it's a square peg jammed into a round hole, for now. obviously gotta wait and see how it plays out, especially if it is to end up with bryan/mod as the final.

[Sasori]

It's funny that you talk about Moxley and Kingston and how you get lost in the "food on the table" promos when that same promo is what Kingston did when he first showed up in AEW and everyone thought it was the 2nd coming of Austin.

I'm sure he mentioned a bunch of family and food stuff in his early AEW promos, but I was referring to an interview Kingston did right before his second match with Moxley. I couldn't find a video, but he said something the effect of "I didn't care about Moxley, I don't care about Lance Archer, I don't care about Pac. It's only about the title". He was really somber and all business.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/M8SMc1J.jpeg

I hope Donald is okay and didn't have a heart attack from this news.

[Nash Diesel]

Tony Neese.....Are we finally going to see something out of this guy? Impact, boring. WWE, boring-the guy even won a title, why?

Back to Moxley. I just don't think AEW ever truly positioned him as THE guy. It was like when Punk had that year+ reign as WWE champion but if he wasn't doing a program with John Cena it didn't feel like they were really pushing as the top guy. With Mox as champion, despite his incredible W/L record, it always seemed like whatever Jericho was doing was the main priority. Understandable to an extent (name value).

I think if Mox turns heel, this would be something to shine a light on.

[VHS]

Good for Nese, if he's indeed signed. Just blows my mind how he's get signed first thing when it took forever for AEW to make Daniel Garcia's signing legitimate. Tony's never shown a shred of charisma so let's see what he's really got.

[Nash Diesel]

Daniel Garcia is whack. But he also didn't have the WWE on his resume which usually expedites a signing.

[Bert]

I want Finn to come to AEW and he can compare abs with Tony and Pac.

[VHS]

Daniel Garcia is whack. But he also didn't have the WWE on his resume which usually expedites a signing.

Daniel's wrestled on 205 and NXT, uh oh.

[Nash Diesel]

Daniel's wrestled on 205 and NXT, uh oh.

OHHHH SHIT my bad. He did the job 3 years ago in 2 matches for "WWE" You got me. My bad.

[Ringo]

Watching Dark Elevation and Toa Liona definitely looks like a guy AEW could sign. Guy is built like an Ox and FTR gave him quite a bit. Trained by Rikishi and Black Pearl but not sure if he's a family member or not.

[VHS]

OHHHH SHIT my bad. He did the job 3 years ago in 2 matches for "WWE" You got me. My bad.

It's fine.

[Vandal]

https://youtu.be/nEqsYEKIypk

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/eIYqoPORSMM

[Hero!]

Too Fast Too Fuego was awesome

[Bert]

Too Fast Too Fuego was awesome

Lol they put makeup on 2's tattoos.

[Bert]

Dynamite is live in every time zone tonight.

Rampage is taped so there goes my hope of Windham. :(

[Bert]

So who from ROH should AEW pick up?

Rush, Dragon Lee, and Danhausen is a good start. Maybe Flip Gordon too, I liked him at All In.

The rest can go to Impact. :dunno:

[Bert]

Brody King could join Malakai Black. :eek:

[Hero!]

So who from ROH should AEW pick up?

Rush, Dragon Lee, and Danhausen is a good start. Maybe Flip Gordon too, I liked him at All In.

The rest can go to Impact. :dunno:


Rok-C and Trish Adora

[Bert]

They could definitely use more women.

[Vandal]

The Allure in AEW...:drool:

[MTR]

Just watched the Feugo match. Nice to see Cody in there just having fun and starting to do a trademark move and then switch it up. And yeah it is awesome they covered up the tattoos.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Never Flip Gordon. For the love of god, no.

[Horatio]

So who from ROH should AEW pick up?

Rush, Dragon Lee, and Danhausen is a good start. Maybe Flip Gordon too, I liked him at All In.

The rest can go to Impact. :dunno:

Rush and Dragon Lee would be cool. I could see them fitting in and bringing a lot of heat to the tag division.

The Briscoes though are so elite it's not even funny.
With fresh booking, they could draw at this point...

[Hero!]

Just watched the Feugo match. Nice to see Cody in there just having fun and starting to do a trademark move and then switch it up. And yeah it is awesome they covered up the tattoos.

What does Cody have to do with that match? Was he ringside or something?

[Bert]

Never Flip Gordon. For the love of god, no.

What's your problem with Flip?

[MTR]

What does Cody have to do with that match? Was he ringside or something?

:squint:

[Psycho666Soldier]

What's your problem with Flip?

I just think he's overrated. I find him boring, lacking charisma, and the fact he banks on being part of the military doesn't help my perception of him. The last part is more of a personal thing and I wouldn't really care if I actually found him entertaining.

Mind you, I haven't seen any of his work since probably the months following All In, so he could have improved. But from memory, I would rather not having him taking up TV time.

[Tainted Eclipse]

"he hates bullies"

CM "Ryback" Punk

[Hero!]

Bryce Donovan!! Shook Crew for life!!

[Hero!]

That match was fantastic. All the other women could learn so much from these two.

[Hero!]

Mox just murdered 10 hahaha

[Nash Diesel]

I just think he's overrated. I find him boring, lacking charisma, and the fact he banks on being part of the military doesn't help my perception of him. The last part is more of a personal thing and I wouldn't really care if I actually found him entertaining.

Mind you, I haven't seen any of his work since probably the months following All In, so he could have improved. But from memory, I would rather not having him taking up TV time.

So you don't like the military or you don't feel like he should be using that in his wrestling persona?

[VHS]

Bummed to be missing this live. Frick.

[Nash Diesel]

Bummed to be missing this live. Frick.

There's about 330 million people who aren't bummed that missed it live.

[VHS]

That Punk/Fish finish looked weird. Was that supposed to be a kickout on the GTS? Punk looked pissed w/ the ref.

[BGMaverick]

That Punk/Fish finish looked weird. Was that supposed to be a kickout on the GTS? Punk looked pissed w/ the ref.

That was looking to make good on the finer details. Punk's left leg/knee was worked over during the match and Punk hit the GTS with that knee. The fact that Punk hit it with the hurt knee, took time to gather himself, and get into pinning position allowed the moment to kick out just after 3.

[VHS]

That was looking to make good on the finer details. Punk's left leg/knee was worked over during the match and Punk hit the GTS with that knee. The fact that Punk hit it with the hurt knee, took time to gather himself, and get into pinning position allowed the moment to kick out just after 3.

Yeah, I don't see why else Fish would kick out so hard after a GTS if it was supposed to be a 3 count. Eh... could have been planned, could have been a messup. If it was the latter, then that ref probably got an ear full. Match was still good tho.

[Hero!]

100% looked intentional. Punk had a good look of exhaustion and the delay between the GTS with the weak knee and him pinning finish made the 3.1 kickout credible. I really liked it.

[BGMaverick]

Yeah, I don't see why else Fish would kick out so hard after a GTS if it was supposed to be a 3 count. Eh... could have been planned, could have been a messup. If it was the latter, then that ref probably got an ear full. Match was still good tho.
Simple answer is it wasn't a full impact GTS and they're obviously trying to do their part to help put Fish over.

[VHS]

Ah ok, that does make sense then.

[Hero!]

I like old man Punk in the long bois and always looking exhausted/worn down after a match.

[Sasori]

Mox just murdered 10 hahaha

I fear for OC next week :scared:

[Psycho666Soldier]

So you don't like the military or you don't feel like he should be using that in his wrestling persona?

Both? It's mostly the former. Like I don't really care as long as you're not an asshole, and I understand the necessity of a military. But having had a lot of alternative friends go military, it's changed most of them into awful people. So I'm pretty anti-military and don't really like when someone - especially younger people - use that as a point of pride.

Again, though, I wouldn't really care about that as much if I thought he was actually good.

[Nash Diesel]

Both? It's mostly the former. Like I don't really care as long as you're not an asshole, and I understand the necessity of a military. But having had a lot of alternative friends go military, it's changed most of them into awful people. So I'm pretty anti-military and don't really like when someone - especially younger people - use that as a point of pride.

Again, though, I wouldn't really care about that as much if I thought he was actually good.

Serving in the military should be looked as a point of pride for these people because they're the ones making it possible for you to be anti-military. So I can see your side, you had all these "alternative" friends join and some turned into awful people. Blanket everyone who served, especially people who have pride in serving, as awful people-unless they're entertaining in the wrestling bubble. Then it's all good.

[Nash Diesel]

I like old man Punk in the long bois and always looking exhausted/worn down after a match.

After a match? This dude looks gassed in the first couple minutes. I'm really curious how much time and effort he put into his wrestling return. Not just the return in general, but the actual wrestling part. I've yet to see Punk not blow up after the first few minutes.

He needs to stop fucking with these jobbers and bang out the marquee matches before he has a heart attack wrestling against Griff Garrison.

[BGMaverick]

The Full Gear card is mainly missing two matches, notably a Punk one.

[Bert]

Interesting interview with Tony Nese Donald

https://youtu.be/Lua6fATQiQg

[Bert]

Someone made a video for Omega/Page set to My Way.
https://streamable.com/vquy6h

I think it's really good. That song just works so well for these packages.

[PurePlayer]

The Full Gear card is mainly missing two matches, notably a Punk one.

I wonder who his next opponent will be. There hasn't been a tease for anything.

[Nash Diesel]

I wonder who his next opponent will be. There hasn't been a tease for anything.

They have 2 weeks to put something together and there are a lot of people that aren't on this card.

[Bert]

Well if the spoilers from before are accurate, which they have been so far it will be:
Wardlow, likely leading to MJF/Punk after that.

[Bert]

The guy put the My Way video on youtube now you have no excuses.

https://youtu.be/jW1Yi46opn8

[Nash Diesel]

If we're to believe that card then we have like 5 other matches that haven't been announced yet. Again, 2 weeks is plenty of time to throw some of these matches out there as some already have been building.

[MTR]

Getting around watching the show from last night. Deeb and Shida had a great match. I have been a fan of Deeb for a long time. She is so good and I hoping with this heel turn she gets more of a push.

[PurePlayer]

Well if the spoilers from before are accurate, which they have been so far it will be:
Wardlow, likely leading to MJF/Punk after that.

rampage spoiler on Punk's full gear opponent below
actually looks like it will be Eddie Kingston based on Rampage.

[BGMaverick]

I know I'm looking at it way too deep, but part of me still chuckles that part of the reveal for Page somehow must have insinuated that Page and the Dark Order talked and the plan somehow centered on the fact that DO had to be okay with the fact they could get jumped after the match and Page would just idly stand there and not help, but he would when he revealed himself. That reveal also 1-upped all of DO so they could rejoin in the battle lol.

[Nash Diesel]

rampage spoiler on Punk's full gear opponent below
actually looks like it will be Eddie Kingston based on Rampage.

The only part of that sucks is the lack of a month long build at least BUT maybe this will be a catalyst for an actual feud. I definitely wouldn't want this to be like Darby where they just bang it out and call it a day lol. It should be something they keep going with after Full Gear solely to hear what either man could come up with on the mic.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Serving in the military should be looked as a point of pride for these people because they're the ones making it possible for you to be anti-military. So I can see your side, you had all these "alternative" friends join and some turned into awful people. Blanket everyone who served, especially people who have pride in serving, as awful people-unless they're entertaining in the wrestling bubble. Then it's all good.

I don't see them all as awful people. I give everyone a chance on an individual basis. But from experience, I'm usually not a fan of military types. So the fact Flip capitalizes on it when I find nothing appealing about him makes it hard for me to give a fuck about him as a performer.

This is at all no judgment on him as a person, and if he wasn't ex-military, my opinion wouldn't be much different. I just think he's a bland wrestler that just so happens to take pride in a culture of which I'm not a fan.

[Hero!]

Flip is too slow to pull off the style he wants. He’s like Justin Gabriel, they try to execute these high-speed moves but they have fucking lead in their ass.

[Nash Diesel]

Flip is too slow to pull off the style he wants. He’s like Justin Gabriel, they try to execute these high-speed moves but they have fucking lead in their ass.

Pretty good comparison. I used to love Justin Gabriel but he moved like John Kronus.

Flip is boring, I give you that Psycho.

[PurePlayer]

Anyone else love the new Moxley character? I love how he comes in beats the shit out of someone and then walks right out. I would not mind a full heel turn, him winning the touney and then challenging Adam Page. But it seems like they are going to go with Danielson winning and then beating Omega with MJF challenging Danielson.

[Nash Diesel]

Anyone else love the new Moxley character? I love how he comes in beats the shit out of someone and then walks right out. I would not mind a full heel turn, him winning the touney and then challenging Adam Page. But it seems like they are going to go with Danielson winning and then beating Omega with MJF challenging Danielson.

I'm curious to see where it's going to be honest with Mox. He's looked mad out of shape, lazy, his promos are lazy, his in-ring work was never good but it's even worse now. It's like he wants out. It feels like ever since he lost the World title he's been on auto pilot. I get that he has a kid, I have 4, he might be serious in those corny promos about wanting to pinky hug his baby. It totally kills his character for me-right now. But I have faith in him to pull it together.

I'm not into the "I'm doing this for my daughter" Jon Moxley. We all know this dude is extremely well off. IDK, felt like he was going all Ice Cube in Are We There Yet? when I'm wanting Trespass Ice Cube.

[Nash Diesel]

Now....Him turning heel and feuding with Adam Page would be fire. It would be a big win for Page as well. Kenny Omega, in our wrestling bubble in certain circles of that bubble consider Omega on the same level as Moxley. I'm not talking skill level, I'm talking name value. Adam Page, if he's going to be the guy, he isn't going to be the guy off the back of what he's done up until this point including beating Kenny Omega. In the AEW world, sure, Page is now on the same path as SCSA was to dethroning HBK at Mania 14. But Page still needs big wins that transcend the non-WWE/casual wrestling fan bubble.

A solid program with Jon Moxley would be incredible. I'm a fan of Moxley beating Page for the belt when it's all said and done and giving us a heel Moxley World championship reign--incredible.

[Badger]

The 8 man tag was really fun. Nice switcharoo with Hangman/Cutler.

Also the MJF/Darby Allin/Sting stuff. Wardlow’s eventually going to fed up and do a Batista to MJF’s HHH.

[Supernovametalstar]

I fear for OC next week :scared:

An interesting dynamic, that one. Two guys that "don't care" but for different reasons. Cassidy is just lazy/conserving energy until needed, whereas Moxley is just "fuck you, I just wanna go home". I'd love it if we do get Bryan vs Mox that Bryan addresses that on tv. Or they could pull a swerve and it's Mox vs Kingston, which would be interesting because Eddie would be highly motivated for the exact opposite reasons as Moxley. Amazing how long term booking can make a tournament more interesting, I love it!

Speaking of tournaments, the TBS title one is turning out great so far. Deeb vs Shida was a banger like I thought it would be, and I love that they put the 50th win in the mix and Deeb going apeshit at the end. Also, that's the only type of rollup that should beat people, in my view. Surprise when they think they have you in their own rollup, all your bodyweight on their neck, both legs hooked; you can't escape. And you saw Deeb trying to kick out with her legs, which is an added element of awesome.

Going forward in that one, there are at least five people that you'd believably advance and/or be the winner. Nyla should win against a hobbled Shida (and they have a history from battling over the world title last year). Then Nyla and Jade should be next and that's good because Jade has beef with Nyla over the elimination from the Casino Battle Royale. After that, Jade should be in the finals (and is a good contender for winning) given she needs to keep getting experience and they can hype her up with the title. It kinda would be a step down for Nyla, so I don't see her winning. But Thunder Rosa has beef with Jade and Nyla also, and you can see them giving it to her, but if their endgame is to go after and take the title off Britt, then that might not work. Unless they want to do their own double champion thing, which seems very anathema to AEW's style of booking thus far. Throw in Ruby Soho and Statlander in the mix, and either of them could be the champ, as it could further them. Albeit, I think Kris more than Ruby, as Statlander is one of the "AEW Originals" and they might want to avoid over pushing Ruby as a former WWE talent taking shine away from their originals.

All this to say, no matter what, the outcome has the potential to be very good.

Other notes from the show, Homelander Cody is great to me. I was expecting him after he said "I'll never turn" to then go ahead and punch Arn. Adding Andrade into the mix gives much needed exposure for him, and adding Pac gives someone the fans like that when Cody betrays him, will get him over even more, and cement a Cody turn. I kinda don't get all the Cody hate, but I've always liked him. Even Stardust Cody. I think he actually was turning the crowd around. Something that I think is lost in all this, and I think it's because it wasn't picked up on the mic too well when it happened, is one of those weeks when Black attacked Cody on the stage, he said something about "hear that, the crowd hates you, they're mine" or something to that effect. Makes me think that this was the plan all along, because you knew no one was going to boo Black, after having been hamstrung by the WWE for so long and then put in a closet before unceremoniously getting let go. And the stuff with Zelina and unions at the time, but that's for another day.

Punk vs Fish was a good match. I actually loved the arm out at 3.1, as, when done right, can make you look good in defeat. That, and kicking the shit out of Punk's knee throughout the match, making it smart to try to take away his most deadly move.

I almost never watch a full Young Bucks match because they devolve into superkick spam, but I did watch the end with the Hangman stuff as StayPuft. It's goofy and silly for Halloween, but also advances the Full Gear story. So I like it.

[Mazer]

Just bought my tickets to Dynamite next week.

[BGMaverick]

Just bought my tickets to Dynamite next week.

Nice. Thinking about going to the show in Garland in December. We shall see.

[Nash Diesel]

Just bought my tickets to Dynamite next week.

I'll see you there.

[Mazer]

I'll see you there.

I'll get to verify that you're a real boy, and not a team of people stuffed in a trench coat?

[Nash Diesel]

I'll get to verify that you're a real boy, and not a team of people stuffed in a trench coat?

lol.

I won't be there so make sure you hold up a sign about loving twinks or wanting Tony to creampie your mom so we know where you are!

[Mazer]

You escaped my investigation this time Nash, but someday......


I'll wear my bright yellow UE shirt so everyone can hate me.

[Nash Diesel]

You escaped my investigation this time Nash, but someday......


I'll wear my bright yellow UE shirt so everyone can hate me.

Actually you'll probably get creampied for wearing that.

Wait until my Twitch blows up, you'll be seeing me and my crew sooner than you'd like.

[Mazer]

someone who has Nash's twitch let me know when his twitch blows up.


Or if someone else proves the 4 posters in a trenchcoat theory before me.

[VHS]

Nash, what's your Twitch? I'm Asparagus Video.

Fight meeeee!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B1ybPu6DKc

[Badger]

Just bought my tickets to Dynamite next week.

Oh you should go full Brandon Cutler! Mask, spray and tracksuit :p

[Bert]

Still holding out hope for a Windham vignette tonight.

[Badger]

The windham has been somewhat taken out the sails by this point.

Warming up there for Donald when he goes All Elite with Tony Nese.

[Bert]

You're wrong. His non-compete expired today.

[Badger]

You're wrong. His non-compete expired today.

Nah you’re wrong…

Donald has always been able to go All Elite at any time! :p

[BGMaverick]

Really good atmosphere from the crowd, having it come across as it a was a very split group in terms of favoritism. Danielson's chest seemed like it was somewhat spared in the match against Suzuki, especially compared to the Omega match, but it got wrecked in this one haha. Their standoff strikes were really good and needless to say, they really meshed together very well. Danielson has dropped phenomenal bangers since he's arrived in AEW. Again, he won with another different finish. The dichotomy could be present as Danielson has really had to work his butt off to get to the Finals, while (presumably) Moxley gets there in relatively easy fashion through dominance.

Punk and Kingston definitely has ample potential. The verbal jousting alone could be extremely combustable and riveting.

Martin/Sydal III was a fun juxtaposition to the opener haha. Martin is just absurdly athletic and it's really impressive to watch him go. He's getting better as he gets more time, and that's really tantalizing when trying to figure out his ceiling. The elevation and burst he has on that stomp is impressive. He really could have that as his finisher and I would be sold.

The interaction between Henry and Abadon during the interview portion was silly but fitting as his deadpanning really helped ease the potential awkwardness of everything. Abadon is the creepiness that WWE likely wanted from Alexa when she was inherited Wyatt's gimmick but WWE is way too homogenized to fully capture that. Anything Abadon does just has a hint of creepiness to it that can be unnerving. Rough fall on the spinning neck breaker to the outside, especially with the table not giving. Even more brutal to see that it didn't budge on the followup suplex. Really great touch to have Britt put the tacks in Abadon's mouth. I was curious to see how they were going to work into the lockjaw and I thought the executed that well. Much better than the no sell of the chair stomp to the neck. Kind of cockamamie and WWE-ish to have Abadon in a spot where beating the champ was going to earn her a shot but oh well. The match was entertaining.

[mth]

I tuned in for Abadon but ended up watching all three matches.

Have never seen Kingston wrestle before so I thought I'd take a look. Was a little bored at first but it got pretty good by the end. Bryan really likes getting his chest turned to hamburger, doesn't he?

Dante's buckets of fun to watch. Very Ricochet-esque with the speed, agility, and fluidity of his flippity shit. Match was decent.

As i said, i came for the main event and for the most part, it delivered. Look forward to the table spots in Botchamania. The head in the chair bit was particularly great but I think the camera was on Britt too much post-move 'cuz Abby probably did her neck crank recovery which is dope and should've been on camera. Thumbtacks always raise the intensity and in the fucking mouth is pretty nuts. i can only hope those were gimmicked tacks. Loved the twist on the Lockjaw spot. Pretty miffed that Abby didn't win considering the stip but heels gotta be heels, i guess, and she's pretty new overall so her time will hopefully come down the line. With her not in the TBS tourny, nice to see her get a spotlight here at least.

[Hero!]

Bryan/Kingston was awesome. Can’t wait for Kingston/Punk

[Tainted Eclipse]

Danielson's run right now is beyond insane. If he keeps going like this week in week out and Japan opens up next year, his 2022 could be the best year any wrestler has ever had.

[Hero!]

I never through her match that 06-07 run, but boy, am I glad to be wrong.

[Supernovametalstar]

As i said, i came for the main event and for the most part, it delivered. Look forward to the table spots in Botchamania. The head in the chair bit was particularly great but I think the camera was on Britt too much post-move 'cuz Abby probably did her neck crank recovery which is dope and should've been on camera. Thumbtacks always raise the intensity and in the fucking mouth is pretty nuts. i can only hope those were gimmicked tacks. Loved the twist on the Lockjaw spot. Pretty miffed that Abby didn't win considering the stip but heels gotta be heels, i guess, and she's pretty new overall so her time will hopefully come down the line. With her not in the TBS tourny, nice to see her get a spotlight here at least.

I like what Abadon brings to the table. Speaking of tables, that table no sold everything during that match. I'm actually glad about this, because it shows people that the tables aren't gimmicked to break easily, so if one gets brought out in a match, you know some shit is going to do down. I also like that, since she's a "zombie", biting Britt's hand when she tries to stick it in her mouth is the best way to counter Lockjaw. I would love it going forward that one of the reasons she's relegated to Dark is because no one wants to mess with her. In that mini feud with Shida, you saw she was the only one Shida was afraid of. During the Casino battle royale, Abadon immediately went after her, and tried to bite a piece of her again. Establish that she is a crazy mofo and stay far away if you can.

Bryan vs Eddie was a banger. I am wondering how in the hell his chest heals so fast from being turned into hamburger seemingly every week. The verbal confrontation with Punk in the hallway was great as well. Punk is still "just having fun" while Eddie portrays "this is my fucking life", so that's built in consternation for Eddie right there. People have been wondering when Punk would move on from facing "jobbers" and I think Eddie Kingston is as far from a "jobber" as you can get before facing the top tier.

Dante vs Sydal was a good match as well. Dante looks like he floats in the air, it's amazing. And I've always liked Sydal, and he really should be in contention for the TNT title.

I will say that I HATE having Jericho on commentary. His yelling doesn't suit for prolonged commentary. That, and the fighting for time against the others at the booth, makes for mute territory. Please AEW, just do three man booths if necessary. If you insist on having Jericho there, then only do him and Excalibur. Or chose between Starks and Taz. I guess since they might be skittish on having Ricky wrestle too much with his neck, they still want to make him featured.

Hard to believe that show was only an hour, it felt so packed. But at the same time, none of the matches felt rushed. And they still fit in a backstage segment, and the hype segment for the main event.

[Badger]

Jericho was much better on commentary when heel. “Pineapple Pete!”

Don’t think he meshes with Taz and Ricky that well.

[BGMaverick]

Forgot to mention it was good that Ruby ran into the scuffle between Kingston and Punk with heavy "sun's getting real low" energy to Kingston.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/2oRGXPP.jpeg:lol:

[Mazer]

Looking forward to that one.

[Nash Diesel]

Bryan vs Eddie was a banger. I am wondering how in the hell his chest heals so fast from being turned into hamburger seemingly every week. The verbal confrontation with Punk in the hallway was great as well. Punk is still "just having fun" while Eddie portrays "this is my fucking life", so that's built in consternation for Eddie right there. People have been wondering when Punk would move on from facing "jobbers" and I think Eddie Kingston is as far from a "jobber" as you can get before facing the top tier.



Kingston isn't a jobber but he's not exactly someone I'm wanting to see CM Punk work with unless absolutely necessary. As I said above, the verbals between the two would've been nice if we had maybe a month or so. But it's just another random pointless match with a guy that usually wrestles and beats nobodies, unless he teams up with Moxley then they both beat up nobodies like Ever Rise 2.0.

[Horatio]

That's a good point that Kingston/Punk deserves serious build.

I posted on the DVDVR forum saying this is the perfect time to bring in Chris Hero. He has history/beef with Punk and Kingston and an attack on both would turn things up to the next level for both Punk and Kingston, and AEW.

[Bert]

Any of you peeps going to Rampage in STL should ask this guy for a sign.
https://twitter.com/jswalton/status/1455245665638957059?t=hrDvyUDvwCepEk-ryX4LTw&s=19

[Nash Diesel]

That's a good point that Kingston/Punk deserves serious build.

I posted on the DVDVR forum saying this is the perfect time to bring in Chris Hero. He has history/beef with Punk and Kingston and an attack on both would turn things up to the next level for both Punk and Kingston, and AEW.

That's an extremely underground connection though. I don't think it would take anything next level unless you're someone like you or myself who even remember the connection. I only remember it because that's how I became a fan of CM Punk. The first time he was ranked in the 500 I read his description plus his initials were similar to my own. But it also talked about Chris Hero and Homicide, and the infamous TLC Ironman whatever the fuck match Hero and Punk had in IWA Mid South.

You want to talk about taking some shit to the next level, have CM Punk turn heel on Colt Cobana. Not only is there more history in terms of them coming up together, but also the lawsuit that made CM Punk kind of a piece of shit.

[VHS]

What was considered underground has really become more mainstream in the last 5-6 years though. The fans, especially the AEW fans, are for the most part well acquainted with beefs and past shenanigans between wrestlers. Chris Hero entering the picture would get a pretty good reaction, and all it needs is a quick video package or interview refreshing ppls' memory on their past.

[Nash Diesel]

What was considered underground has really become more mainstream in the last 5-6 years though. The fans, especially the AEW fans, are for the most part well acquainted with beefs and past shenanigans between wrestlers. Chris Hero entering the picture would get a pretty good reaction, and all it needs is a quick video package or interview refreshing ppls' memory on their past.

Dude just shut the fuck up you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Horatio]

That's an extremely underground connection though. I don't think it would take anything next level unless you're someone like you or myself who even remember the connection. I only remember it because that's how I became a fan of CM Punk. The first time he was ranked in the 500 I read his description plus his initials were similar to my own. But it also talked about Chris Hero and Homicide, and the infamous TLC Ironman whatever the fuck match Hero and Punk had in IWA Mid South.

You want to talk about taking some shit to the next level, have CM Punk turn heel on Colt Cobana. Not only is there more history in terms of them coming up together, but also the lawsuit that made CM Punk kind of a piece of shit.

Chris Hero has wrestled in front of a ton of people around the world, though, and he's one of the most engaging live performers of all time.

But yeah, it would be based on underground happenings.

[Bert]

Does Chris Hero still have weight problems?

[Horatio]

He looked okay in the last podcast I saw him on. He hasn't gotten fatter in the off season or anything.

[VHS]

Dude just shut the fuck up you have no idea what you're talking about.

This is why nobody likes you, homeboy. :no:

[Nash Diesel]

Chris Hero has wrestled in front of a ton of people around the world, though, and he's one of the most engaging live performers of all time.

But yeah, it would be based on underground happenings.

That first part has absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about though. You're wanting there to be a continuation of their rivalry from almost 20 years in a promotion very few people even knew about. You might as well want to see SAT return or Ace Steel or BJ Whitmer, John Walter I believe returned. Xavier could come back too. At least that's ROH history. IWA Mid South, despite being a trash promotion, was very very local and deserves zero press even if it's based on something that went down back in the day.

It's like wanting to see Metallica perform with Ron McGovney or a collab album with Jay-Z and Jaz-O (it'd be fresh but who would even care?)

Bottomline, I'd like to see Chris Hero on tv again but I don't know if I want to see him based on a rivalry very few people know about.


This is why nobody likes you, homeboy. :no:

Oh well shit I guess I better stop posting here because nobody likes me.

[Hero!]

Does Chris Hero still have weight problems?

No problems, he’s just accepted that he’s gonna be a fat guy and doesn’t try to lose weight anymore.

[Nash Diesel]

He has some type of thyroid issue so he has no real choice but to be heavy. The guy is 40 something he's not going to be able to perform the way he did 10-20 years ago as it is. But he can still kill it in the ring.

All this talk about Hero makes me want to bust out Death Before Dishonor DVD I have with the ROH v. CZW cage of death match.

[Sasori]

No problems, he’s just accepted that he’s gonna be a fat guy and doesn’t try to lose weight anymore.

There really needs to be a stable of heavier wrestlers called the Fat Farm. Hero could be the leader.

[Hero!]

I recall on one of those shoot deals he did between NXT stints, he said that decided to stop fighting the fat and just be thick boi like his hero Misawa.

[Nash Diesel]

I recall on one of those shoot deals he did between NXT stints, he said that decided to stop fighting the fat and just be thick boi like his hero Misawa.

He's talked about how it's a thyroid issue so there's not much he can do about it. Or that he wants to do about it I guess. I don't think it's something life threatening, maybe he was just using it as an excuse.

Either way....At the very least ROH should've given him a run with the World title when he first came back after getting released by WWE. Or even the 2nd time for fuck's sake how is the ball not being given to him but Impact's like oh hey Moose here's another boring title run for ya. Hey Adam Cole let's make you a multi-time ROH champion but Chris Hero? Nah, too tall.

[Bert]

He just needs to get on DDPY.

[Nash Diesel]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/1c/d0/ab1cd09d866584b51b2f94a0eccd2f4f.jpg

[Mazer]

Mth was asking where the most beautiful men thread was.


it's here mth.


It's right here.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/ubLCuSNiCE0

[Tainted Eclipse]

i hope they're able to heat up omega/page over the next few weeks close to where it was back in the summer. just not feeling the buzz for the match at this point. hope they get it back up there.

[Horatio]

He just needs to get on DDPY.

*ding ding ding ding*
I heard he has serious back problems...

I want to see The Briscoes and The SAT in AEW because it never happened in ROH and someone needs to slap them bitches for that.

[Nash Diesel]

i hope they're able to heat up omega/page over the next few weeks close to where it was back in the summer. just not feeling the buzz for the match at this point. hope they get it back up there.

I know it comes across cold saying this but I said it already.....any momentum he truly had dropped significantly when they had to pivot to the shit they've done in his absence. As a father I can respect his decision to be gone. He was obviously concerned with missing the birth of his child. I just think AEW had to pivot but went in the absolute wrong direction.

Now Omega's reign is 2-3 months longer than it should've been. He's now a guy who came back after the return of CM Punk, the debut of Bryan Danielson, plus you have guys like Malakai Black, Adam Cole, Andrade, more than likely Bray Wyatt. Plus you have talent like Cassidy, Jungle Boy, MJF, Darby Allin, Cody Rhodes is fucking back, PAC, the tag scene=nice, the women's division is finally looking halfway decent.

And we're supposed to get jacked up for Adam Page? Honestly I feel the same way about Page right now as I did when he was going in against Jericho to possibly be the 1st ever AEW champion....I think if he does win, they'll be ok I just wonder how much better of a spot he would be in had he won the title at the last ppv. For me with this guy it's going to be the "and then what happens next" that impresses me. He beats Omega, wow, so did Christian fucking Cage. But I want to see what happens next for the guy.

[Bert]

Everyone was hyped for his promo. I think he'll be fine.

[Nash Diesel]

Everyone was hyped for his promo. I think he'll be fine.

I said they'll be ok if he wins. But everyone wasn't hyped for his promo. Enough of the excuses.

[Horatio]

So if Windham Rotunda shows up, it's got to be to murder Adam Page and then steal his cowboy boots, right?

[Bert]

I said they'll be ok if he wins. But everyone wasn't hyped for his promo. Enough of the excuses.

Everyone I know loved his promo. :dunno:

Your friends didn't like it?

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/lMSTHQg.jpeg
Hero! what do you think?

[Nash Diesel]

So if Windham Rotunda shows up, it's got to be to murder Adam Page and then steal his cowboy boots, right?

Probably something stale like that.


Everyone I know loved his promo. :dunno:

Your friends didn't like it?

Everyone you know means what to me?

I honestly have no clue if my friends liked it or not. I have 4 friends who sometimes watch AEW, I know this because I'm old and my circle is shrinking every year lol.

My best friend and I watch AEW religiously, wrestling and breakdancing is what connected us back in 1st grade. If that promo was so fucking good someone would've said it. We're 40, I've been spoiled in the 36 years of knowingly being a fan of this industry. That promo was nothing special. It was a basic promo that did nothing to salvage the last 2-3 months.

[Hero!]

@Hero! (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=22093) what do you think?

100% gonna be a joke tag team of luchadors. Probably Spears and Wardlow

[Hero!]

Moxley heading to rehab. Happy for him to get the help he needs.

[BGMaverick]

All the best to him.

[VHS]

Best of luck to him, alcohol addiction is not an easy mountain to conquer. :heart:

[Bert]

I can't imagine a sober Mox but I look forward to seeing it, down the road.

[Peter Griffin]

All the best to Mox.

[Murphy]

Aye, all the best to him. Now is the time if he has a problem with them just having their first born. Hope to see him back soon.

[Peter Griffin]

I'm guessing that was his main motivation.

[BigAl]

Good luck to Mox. Having that first baby is an eye opener to your own faults. That was what led me to stop boozing.

Looking forward to reading Mox's book as well.

[Nash Diesel]

Moxley's had a hard life and I wish him and his family all the best. Conquer these motherfuckin demons.

[Sasori]

Some people have been saying how Moxley seemed like he's been phoning it in for a while and not really there. This lends credence to that as he was struggling with alcoholism. His daughter must have been the wake up call he needed and I'm glad he's getting help. The "I only care about getting back to my daughter" promo had more truth in it than we realized.

[Mazer]

That's a tough battle. All the best for Mox.

[Hero!]

Some people have been saying how Moxley seemed like he's been phoning it in for a while and not really there. This lends credence to that as he was struggling with alcoholism. His daughter must have been the wake up call he needed and I'm glad he's getting help. The "I only care about getting back to my daughter" promo had more truth in it than we realized.

:yes:

Kids do that to you. They’re the best.

[Nash Diesel]

Some people have been saying how Moxley seemed like he's been phoning it in for a while and not really there. This lends credence to that as he was struggling with alcoholism. His daughter must have been the wake up call he needed and I'm glad he's getting help. The "I only care about getting back to my daughter" promo had more truth in it than we realized.

He's had a drinking problem for many, many years. He might've been phoning it in for years.

[Mazer]

Was getting the kids prepped for Dynamite tonight. 1 of the 3 I'm taking watches with me intermittently (this will be her first live show). The others just find it fun to go with me to the live events, but don't really watch.

They watched Rampage with me last night, and were mildly into the first few matches. But they all really were focused on Britt vs. Abadon.

[Hero!]

100% gonna be a joke tag team of luchadors. Probably Spears and Wardlow

well I was fucking wrong. AEROSTAR and SAMURAY DEL SOL!

[MTR]

Was getting the kids prepped for Dynamite tonight. 1 of the 3 I'm taking watches with me intermittently (this will be her first live show). The others just find it fun to go with me to the live events, but don't really watch.

They watched Rampage with me last night, and were mildly into the first few matches. But they all really were focused on Britt vs. Abadon.

My kids watch intermittently. Attention spans. But they love going to live shows. Son won't go unless there is a chance he knows people there. Daughter doesn't care which is why she went with me to NWA Empowerrr. But neither one hesitated about saying yes to Rumble. I was debating last couple days of nose bleed seats for Rampage but just spent chunk of change for my son's homecoming and other things. Kids are expensive and especially so when they are seniors in high school.

[Mazer]

Yeah, they are. Mine are expensive, but the oldest is 14, so not Sr. level expensive yet.

[Hero!]

Why aren’t you bringing me too, dad?

[Mazer]

Why aren’t you bringing me too, dad?

Don't worry about it slugger. By the way, I hope you weren't planning on going straight home from school today......no reason.

[Hero!]

Oh my god I can’t wait

[Bert]

well I was fucking wrong. AEROSTAR and SAMURAY DEL SOL!

I came here to say you were wrong. And Samuray used to be Kalisto!

[Bert]

Miro/OC will be good.

The crowd loves Hangman.

[Sasori]

Wow, I didn't know Kalisto had connections like this :hyper:

[Defrost]

Mei Suruga debuted on Dark

[Bert]

Taigastyle!

[Hero!]

Wow, I didn't know Kalisto had connections like this :hyper:

He and FTR and Sasha are all still a very tight crew

[Bert]

He and FTR and Sasha are all still a very tight crew

I knew about Sasha.

https://i.imgur.com/BB6PEHq.jpeg

[Bert]

Crazy running closeline by Darby. I thought he was doing a shotgun dropkick.

[Mazer]

Had a great view on Darby and MJF. Youngest was just marking out.


Sorry I missed picking you up Hero. I'll come soon. We'll get together then. You know we'll have a good time then

[Bert]

You need to change your location now that you've escaped Portland.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Ugh, commercial break right after a 10-minute main event starts. I appreciate the picture-in-picture, but surely there's some way they can get that shit sorted?

[Psycho666Soldier]

Bryan's gonna get pure magic out of Miro

[Nash Diesel]

Greatest night of wrestling I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching.

[Bert]

Greatest night of wrestling I've ever seen in my 30+ years of watching.

Even without Marko Stunt?

[Mazer]

You need to change your location now that you've escaped Portland.

I didn't escape Portland. Portland escaped me.

I don't get why that's the case either, but here we are.

[Mazer]

Got a decent video of Bryan after it went off ait giving a but on Brodie and Mox, then fucking with Justin Robert's.

Might post later

[Nash Diesel]

Man I haven't watched Aero Star in 2-3 years. He looked like he came into this match hurt. Plus there were a few spots where he just fucking splattered himself on the ground.....I don't remember him looking so much like Gran Metallik in terms of size.

CM Punk makes it hard to admit he's my favorite wrestler of the modern era. When he came out I predicted 2 things: SHout out to Moxley and something relating it to his time in WWE. He delivered. 4/10.

Cody v. Andrade was incredible. Andrade and Cody are probably the 2 biggest tools outside of the ring but hard to deny they're not 2 of the absolute best in this company.

Still not sold on Page beating Omega but again, Page's success will be more about what happens after he wins the title. Someone said he should win it and then do an open challenge where MJF beats him the following Dynamite. Kind of reminded me of when Christian finally won the World title in WWE and then lost it 3 days later to Orton at a taped Smackdown.

Why is Nyla Rose still employed?

To end it on a positive, if Jade Cargill fired Steve Corino's brother she'd be much better off. Oh a positive? PVZ, couldn't stand her push in the UFC but she should be the TBS champion. I can't believe she left herself wide open for some of those jabs lol. Against Jericho of all people. Incredible.

[Hero!]

Aero Star has been working hurt for a while. He and Kalisto came off pretty badly in that match.

[Donald]

CM Punk makes it hard to admit he's my favorite wrestler of the modern era. When he came out I predicted 2 things: SHout out to Moxley and something relating it to his time in WWE. He delivered. 4/10.


Could see Moxley return and feud with CM Punk. Moxley heel.

[Mazer]

It made sense to send Punk out. The last thing you want if for a crowd to boo (some may not have known what happened), because of a cancelled match in that situation.


Using Punk there pretty much guaranteed the Pro-Moxley chants that I'm sure most people who knew Moxley were hoping to hear.

[Nash Diesel]

Aero Star has been working hurt for a while. He and Kalisto came off pretty badly in that match.

I thought Kalisto looked normal but yeah, Star was pretty Villano IV looking.

Also, how about Jericho and Amanda Huber going ape shit on Kalisto for adding the letter H to Brodie Lee aka Jon Huber's name? She's on there bragging about how funny it is that her son jokes about his Dad being dead....but you better spell his name correctly!!

Ok Vickie 2.0


Could see Moxley return and feud with CM Punk. Moxley heel.

No shit. Have Mox come back, how dare you speak on my personal life and try to make it about yourself!

Punk is so fucking high and mighty it's extremely difficult cheering for him lol. But that's your typical straight edge Rancid fan. Just like vegans, you'll know someone is sXe because they're tell you.




It made sense to send Punk out. The last thing you want if for a crowd to boo (some may not have known what happened), because of a cancelled match in that situation.


Using Punk there pretty much guaranteed the Pro-Moxley chants that I'm sure most people who knew Moxley were hoping to hear.

The crowd knew what was up. This isn't the WWE audience where a good chunk are oblivious to the internet. The AEW fans knew the situation with Moxley.

It was cool other than when he tried to relate his past with Moxley's present. I'm sure Tony Khan could've came out there for you guys and did a good sing a long for Moxley.

[Mazer]

A lot did. Not all.

There were some right around me asking what was up. Its not like it was MSG, fairly small stadium. A few rowdies with a bad reaction could have been heard.



I actually think it makes sense to play it safe, and Punk bringing WWE into it was certainly that.



On another note, Tony fucking Kahn. He comes out before the show to an introduction of "Our owner, president, founder, booker, etc, etc, pretty much everything....Tony Kahn" and does his thing. Then at the end of the show, when he's thanked he does the "no, not me" gesture. Its a bit off.

I mean he's not the first rich guy with a weird ego, but you have to chuckle.

[Nash Diesel]

Punk bringing WWE into it is all Punk can do. And it made no sense. How is Punk being burnt on wrestling 10 years ago the same as Moxley being an alcoholic? Is he implying that Mox is going to rehab because of wrestling? And that is the same as Punk's history how? He's straight edge.

Tony Khan....Hey he's the greatest promoter, booker, etc. of all time. Not only do we get to hear about it before and after the show, we get to hear it during the show.

[Bert]

I do not think the Kalisto drama is actually about misspelling a name.

Seems it's more about opportunistic clout chasing for fan support and maybe trying to get a contract.

Also hilarious that the bigotry of low expectations strikes again and people assume he can't speak English when he was born in Chicago.

[Nash Diesel]

Someone said it on Twitter that makes sense. Instead of her just accepting it as is she rolled with Jericho and made it into an even bigger issue.

Clout chasing lol. I highly doubt that judging by the interview he did with Chris Van Vliet back in July. So I mean, are all these fans clout chasing when talking about Brodie Lee to this day? Is that what AEW is doing? Benefitting off the death of Brodie Lee just to keep the Dork Order relevant.....How much longer can they ride that wave before they realize it's done zero for anyone?

https://itrwrestling.com/news/kalisto-discusses-reaching-out-to-brodie-lee-when-he-was-struggling/

[Donald]

There's a high chance that Chris Jericho has spelled someone's name wrong. Who wants to go through his Twitter?

And also, is it possible that Jon could auto correct to John, as that seems to be the more common spelling?

[Nash Diesel]

There's a high chance that Chris Jericho has spelled someone's name wrong. Who wants to go through his Twitter?

And also, is it possible that Jon could auto correct to John, as that seems to be the more common spelling?

Listen to Jericho on commentary he fucks up more than Jim Ross. Dude is drunk 90% of the time he should be roomies with Mox asap.

It wasn't a big deal at all. Jericho was probably drunk again and I can't put parameters on how Ms Huber chooses to grieve. It was just odd that she didn't even bring it up, it was Jericho.

[Donald]

Listen to Jericho on commentary he fucks up more than Jim Ross. Dude is drunk 90% of the time he should be roomies with Mox asap.

It wasn't a big deal at all. Jericho was probably drunk again and I can't put parameters on how Ms Huber chooses to grieve. It was just odd that she didn't even bring it up, it was Jericho.

So you're saying he misspelled "Drunk God" as "Demo God"?

[Nash Diesel]

So you're saying he misspelled "Drunk God" as "Demo God"?

Pretty sure right before or after the CM Punk segment they were advertising his bubbly.

[Bert]

I hope if Joe gets released from WWE and is not medically cleared he replaces Jericho on Rampage commentary.

I wanted him in the beginning, before he went back to NXT.

[Nash Diesel]

I wish WWE would release Michael Cole and Dynamite would be Cole and Tazz.

The one nice thing about being a fan for 3+ decades is you master the art of turning out terrible commentary. Excalibur is by far the worst commentator I've heard since Mike Adamle. And Adamle used to be the shit back in the 90's doing American Gladiators. Tony Schiavone is a close 2nd. I was never a fan of his going back to his little stupid mustache phase. JR.....I love Jim Ross but you can literally hear the disgust in his voice calling AEW.

CM Punk would be a good addition if he gets to wear the sports jacket again.

[Bert]

I don't understand Excalibur hate. He's the best. Commentary had a glaring hole when he was missing. I will take him over Michael "vintage" Cole, every time.

[mth]

As someone who only watches a bit of AEW here and there, I think Excalibur and Tony are fine. Tazz is hilarious. JR is terrible. Jericho is also pretty unpleasant. And then there's always a fourth dude like Wight, Henry, or Starks that seems totally unnecessary.

[Hero!]

If you wanna hear bad commentary, listen to IMPACT’s commentary. It’s brutal.

[Nash Diesel]

As someone who only watches a bit of AEW here and there, I think Excalibur and Tony are fine. Tazz is hilarious. JR is terrible. Jericho is also pretty unpleasant. And then there's always a fourth dude like Wight, Henry, or Starks that seems totally unnecessary.

Those last 3 suck too but they're not expected to be good.

Yes, for someone who barely watches AEW I'm sure you think they're fine. As someone who has been listening to Excalibur commentate for many years (PWG, now AEW) He sucks.

[Ringo]

I don't understand Excalibur hate. He's the best. Commentary had a glaring hole when he was missing. I will take him over Michael "vintage" Cole, every time.

Yeah, he's excellent. The commentary on the PPVs, Dynamite and Dark is really good and one of the big reasons watching AEW is so enjoyable at the moment. I don't think WWE commentary has been nearly as listenable in about 15 years. Wight and Tony on Elevation are fine. The Rampage team needs trimming for sure.

[Nash Diesel]

WWE commentary is pretty terrible outside of Corey Graves and Pat McAfee. Beth and Wade on NXT aren't too bad. The play by play are pretty whack. Jimmy Smith gets a little bit of a pass because I did enjoy his Bellator/UFC commentary and he's still pretty fresh. If it was just him and Graves, it'd be a lot better. Byron is probably the worst commentator next to Excalibur solely based on the fact they've been doing it for so long.

I can't speak for most of you but those who are my age, we grew up with the elite. Nowadays I long for Mongo McMichael and his dog.

[Peter Griffin]

If you wanna hear bad commentary, listen to IMPACT’s commentary. It’s brutal.

Listen pal you better recognise this is slander.

[Nash Diesel]

Is Josh Matthews still doing commentary? If so, he might take Excalijob's place as the worst.

[Hero!]

Matt Striker and D’Lo Brown these days and they are fucking horrible

[Mazer]

Someday Xavier Woods will become the best commentary man of all-time. Just hold on until then.

[Nash Diesel]

Oh no doubt about Woods. He has proven his worth at the booth.

[Badger]

Put Truth in there on colour commentary as well.

[Mazer]

Truth should be a backstage interviewer or the next generation briscoe/patterson.

He's better in limited doses.



I could easily do 3 hours with the dulcet tones of Xavier.


I loved when Bryan Danielson Bryan was on Main Event doing guest commentary.....His stuff about bear wrestling....gold.

[Badger]

Truth should be a backstage interviewer or the next generation briscoe/patterson.

He's better in limited doses.



I could easily do 3 hours with the dulcet tones of Xavier.


I loved when Bryan Danielson Bryan was on Main Event doing guest commentary.....His stuff about bear wrestling....gold.

That’s true but Truth being a technophobe trying to get the headset to work properly like him gaming on UUDD would be gold as well.

[Badger]

Just catching up on Dynamite. Really good show so far.

Nice nod to Nitro with the “Stings” coming out. Great clothesline spot.

[Mazer]

Just catching up on Dynamite. Really good show so far.

Nice nod to Nitro with the “Stings” coming out. Great clothesline spot.

You can see me briefly when MJF and Darby fight. I've got my "Next time Hero" sign