All Elite Wrestling

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/_nGkzPra3Xo

"It's the second time they've decided to go head-to-head with us. I want the fans to be able to watch all the wrestling. I'll coin a phrase right now, WYW; Watch Your Wrestling. I want people to watch your wrestling. Whatever you want to watch, watch it. A lot of people have chosen to watch AEW because it's the best show. Watch Your Wrestling. I want people to watch everything. It's the second time they've chosen to put their wrestling head-to-head with mine. The last time they did it, it didn't happen overnight, but from the start, AEW consistently did better numbers than NXT and we eventually won that war and AEW is now the Wednesday night show and Wednesday Night Dynamite has had a great run. On Friday, they're doing a half-hour head-to-head with Rampage, which is new. I put my show on consciously after SmackDown knowing there is a huge audience of people that watch that show and a lot of people are going to watch Rampage, which has been a hit for TNT. They're literally going to do a half-hour head-to-head, that's fine. We'll see what happens. I'm not saying for sure we'll win and maybe the odds are against us in some ways, but we're going to do the better show, I know. If you don't believe me, watch the go-home show [Raw] they did last night because it sucked,"

TK not pulling any punches. Damn.

[mth]

That Kayla Rossi chick that's muscle for Janela can do some crazy shit. First the standing moonsault landing with her feet on a chair and now this:
https://twitter.com/SirLARIATO/status/1447707255210659846?t=2jt_V3mBoW1VhVo0lnlXEQ&s=19
I know fuck all about her but the wife and I have been watching Sonny Kiss' matches on Dark/Elevation the past couple weeks so we've seen her and she's immediately grabbed our interest with her unique look and impressive feats. Janela can fuck off but if she and Sonny are going to eventually have a match, I am so here for it.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/CmIjSdo.jpg
Someone tell Bryan they can say shit. I think he's said it on TV.

[Hero!]

https://youtu.be/_nGkzPra3Xo

fucking tk finally confirma his DVDVR name. He WAS COACH TONY K!

[Nash Diesel]

All that cocaine Tony is doing we'll have a Dark Side of the Ring episode in time for the next season.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/_nGkzPra3Xo

fucking tk finally confirma his DVDVR name. He WAS COACH TONY K!

IF YOU DON'T STOP MAKING THE SAME POSTS I DID THREE POSTS UP... I'll keep yelling at you or something.

[Hero!]

I have you on mute so I don’t have to read your posts

[Bert]

Just scroll past them like everyone else. No need for such drastic measures.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/gTgmyJJ.jpg

I was thinking by year 3 they would have some sort of streaming thing setup.

[Hero!]

Yeah too soon for streaming honestly. They don’t do enough PPVs to have much to go back and watch

[Tainted Eclipse]

I’d just like to be able to watch some of those dynamite matches uncut where big spots happened during commercials

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah too soon for streaming honestly. They don’t do enough PPVs to have much to go back and watch

Yeah but he didn't just say ppvs only unless I'm seeing words that aren't really there.

Every week for about 2 years they've apparently put on the greatest wrestling show that tops the previous week. So if you're a new fan, I think going back and watching the greatest wrestling in the history of tv to get caught up-especially if you want to follow the Adam Page story-this would be extremely smart.

[Nash Diesel]

I’d just like to be able to watch some of those dynamite matches uncut where big spots happened during commercials

You might still miss them. It's not like when you go back and watch old Raws, Nitros, etc on the Network they include what you didn't see when they went to break.

[Bert]

I’d just like to be able to watch some of those dynamite matches uncut where big spots happened during commercials

How long has Dynamite been on Fite TV? Because their version has no commercials.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/qJIf7MA.jpg

BGMaverick is this image better?

The Bucks are truly such good heels though.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Wrong thread

[Nash Diesel]

X-Factor Heat=terrible heels.

[BGMaverick]

@BGMaverick (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=22697) is this image better?

The Bucks are truly such good heels though.

:yes:

[Bert]

Tony might have accidentally leaked the Full Gear card so I'll spoiler tag it. They used ZOOM AND ENHANCE :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/7r0xLNg.jpeg

Bryan vs Mox is probably the Full Gear tournament final.

I'm surprised some of these other feuds are going to be dragged out for another month.

[Murphy]

How long has Dynamite been on Fite TV? Because their version has no commercials.

I've had FITE TV since Rampage debuted and it's so much better.

Doesn't answer your question, but putting it out there that it's great. :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

Tony might have accidentally leaked the Full Gear card so I'll spoiler tag it. They used ZOOM AND ENHANCE :lol:


Bryan vs Mox is probably the Full Gear tournament final.

I'm surprised some of these other feuds are going to be dragged out for another month.

Homeboy needs to spend more time figuring out why the Jags fucking suck so much and less time doing cocaine and playing EWR.

[Sasori]

Tony might have accidentally leaked the Full Gear card so I'll spoiler tag it. They used ZOOM AND ENHANCE :lol:


Bryan vs Mox is probably the Full Gear tournament final.

I'm surprised some of these other feuds are going to be dragged out for another month.

Yes, he accidentally leaked the card by holding it up in plain view, lol.

[Bert]

Yes, he accidentally leaked the card by holding it up in plain view, lol.

4d chess? I don't know, it's pretty hard to decipher that chicken scratch for most people.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Homeboy needs to spend more time figuring out why the Jags fucking suck so much and less time doing cocaine and playing EWR.

So he shouldn't be trying to book one of his biggest shows of the year? That's an odd take.

[Psycho666Soldier]

That said, unless it's because it was unreadable, I think it's hilarious that he doesn't yet have an idea for who Britt will be facing.

[Nash Diesel]

So he shouldn't be trying to book one of his biggest shows of the year? That's an odd take.

An excuse for everything.

It's an odd take that instead of focusing on the Jags who are on a 20 game losing streak while at their game-he's working on booking AEW? Maybe he should be doing something related to the Jags instead of staging a "woops did I accidentally show my booking sheet??" moment.

[Nash Diesel]

That said, unless it's because it was unreadable, I think it's hilarious that he doesn't yet have an idea for who Britt will be facing.

I'm sure he's just waiting for Dana Brooke to get released.

[Psycho666Soldier]

An excuse for everything.

It's an odd take that instead of focusing on the Jags who are on a 20 game losing streak while at their game-he's working on booking AEW? Maybe he should be doing something related to the Jags instead of staging a "woops did I accidentally show my booking sheet??" moment.

Yes, because I never criticize AEW ever, ND. How perceptive you are.

Isn't he just like a financial manager for the Jags or something? Not to mention if he has his hands in so many different avenues, it makes sense he would have to work on one while working for the other.

This just seemed like such a weird thing to criticize and felt more like taking a shot for the sake of taking a shot.

[Nash Diesel]

Yes, because I never criticize AEW ever, ND. How perceptive you are.

Isn't he just like a financial manager for the Jags or something? Not to mention if he has his hands in so many different avenues, it makes sense he would have to work on one while working for the other.

This just seemed like such a weird thing to criticize and felt more like taking a shot for the sake of taking a shot.

It's a weird thing to also defend I guess if I'm looking at it from a different perspective.

I'm very perceptive. I don't see many, if any, posts where you're not defending something negative. It's like AEW has a handful of plants for every social media outlet no matter how big or small to make sure someone is there to carry the flag. The one nice thing about this particular group is at least you're not giving Tony Khan credit every time the sun comes up.

[Bert]

Praise the son.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It's a weird thing to also defend I guess if I'm looking at it from a different perspective.

I'm very perceptive. I don't see many, if any, posts where you're not defending something negative. It's like AEW has a handful of plants for every social media outlet no matter how big or small to make sure someone is there to carry the flag. The one nice thing about this particular group is at least you're not giving Tony Khan credit every time the sun comes up.

That's because I'm an optimistic fan. Always have been. What you're missing is I've largely been the same way when I watched WWE regularly. The difference is WWE kept burning me and the faith ran short. Issues I've had with AEW are either corrected or offset by things I really enjoy.

But your narrative is that I always defend AEW when that's not true. And if you were as perceptive as you claim to be, you'd know that.

In the same way you say you can be largely critical of AEW and call yourself a fan, people can mostly enjoy AEW and not be a bootlicker.

[VHS]

ND, quit starting shit for no reason. Damn man. Like is this your hobby or something?

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/CUjRF2dwuKg

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/bnvTc4-1kC0

[Bert]

TIL Evolve 4's main event was Bryan Danielson vs Bobby Fish and the opening match was Brodie Lee vs Jon Moxley. I wish more Evolve was on Peacock. They have "seasons 1 and 2" and then "season 10" they skip over a lot of good shit like Darby Allin vs Ethan Page.

[Murphy]

Guessing the 'Buy In' show will be available after it airs, as it's a 2am UK start time?

[Bert]

Guessing the 'Buy In' show will be available after it airs, as it's a 2am UK start time?

It's on Youtube, at 1am your time. So it will still be on Youtube whenever you want to watch it.

[Nash Diesel]

That's because I'm an optimistic fan. Always have been. What you're missing is I've largely been the same way when I watched WWE regularly. The difference is WWE kept burning me and the faith ran short. Issues I've had with AEW are either corrected or offset by things I really enjoy.

But your narrative is that I always defend AEW when that's not true. And if you were as perceptive as you claim to be, you'd know that.

In the same way you say you can be largely critical of AEW and call yourself a fan, people can mostly enjoy AEW and not be a bootlicker.

I honestly don't care about how you view WWE, too many AEW apologists and bootlickers have an extremely difficult time keeping WWE out of their mouth.

I'm optimistic. You're an apologist. An excuse for literally everything negative that gets posted. Which is what I said right? "An excuse for everything". Plenty of people do that. I deal with it at work all the time. You'll hear someone bitch about their client, and then when you chime in and say something negative they always have an excuse as to why something shitty happened. All the while I'm like, hold up, I thought you were actually critical of this shit as well when in reality you're not.


ND, quit starting shit for no reason. Damn man. Like is this your hobby or something?

Do you even contribute these days other than trying to pop off toward one of my posts? You are one weird dude. I guess now that homeboy doesn't follow you around shitting on your stupid videos you had to take up the mantle and be a piece of trash yourself.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Nash not reading, imagine that :lol:

I'd like you to prove I find an excuse for everything when I literally said that's not what I do. I also struggle to see your posts about AEW as optimistic.

[Bert]

Tonight's card.

https://i.imgur.com/ok4floP.jpeg



https://i.imgur.com/f5JB2Fo.jpeg


I could see Tony trying to get more money from Warnermedia.

[Nash Diesel]

Excited to see the Danielson/Minoru match and JDS. I've always thought JDS looked like a wrestler from the old days like the Bruno era.

[Nash Diesel]

Nash not reading, imagine that :lol:

I'd like you to prove I find an excuse for everything when I literally said that's not what I do. I also struggle to see your posts about AEW as optimistic.

lol what didn't I read?

Didn't all this start because you had an excuse for my comment toward Tony Khan and the Jags? Or did you forget that while trying to be clever with your remarks?

[Psycho666Soldier]

lol what didn't I read?

Didn't all this start because you had an excuse for my comment toward Tony Khan and the Jags? Or did you forget that while trying to be clever with your remarks?

It's the part where you said I have an excuse for everything negative about AEW. My original comment wasn't even an excuse. You turned it into that. You made a comment about how he shouldn't be spending time booking the next big show for his primary business venture, and I questioned why that was an issue. You were being overly critical about something frivolous to be a smart ass and I was a smart ass back.

We can just drop this though because this going to be a circular argument that accomplishes nothing when you take every positive comment about AEW as coming from a fanboy who can say nothing wrong about AEW.

[Nash Diesel]

It's the part where you said I have an excuse for everything negative about AEW. My original comment wasn't even an excuse. You turned it into that. You made a comment about how he shouldn't be spending time booking the next big show for his primary business venture, and I questioned why that was an issue. You were being overly critical about something frivolous to be a smart ass and I was a smart ass back.

We can just drop this though because this going to be a circular argument that accomplishes nothing when you take every positive comment about AEW as coming from a fanboy who can say nothing wrong about AEW.

OVERLY critical? I was pointing out the obvious. I don't even think I gave that comment my traditional 147 paragraph response.

I don't take every positive comment about AEW that way or I'd be a fucking hypocrite. I take the weirdo responses some of you AEW fans have and react accordingly. Some days I'm just like, Jesus Christ will some of you just let others have a moment where we're not all sucking off Tony Khan's booking decisions lol. Fuck me runnin.

[Psycho666Soldier]

OVERLY critical? I was pointing out the obvious. I don't even think I gave that comment my traditional 147 paragraph response.

I don't take every positive comment about AEW that way or I'd be a fucking hypocrite. I take the weirdo responses some of you AEW fans have and react accordingly. Some days I'm just like, Jesus Christ will some of you just let others have a moment where we're not all sucking off Tony Khan's booking decisions lol. Fuck me runnin.

If only you could see the irony

[Bert]

Denial is just a river.

[Nash Diesel]

If only you could see the irony

Explain. I think you are misunderstanding what you put in bold.

[Nash Diesel]

Denial is just a river.

And a pretty dope Sevendust song.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Explain. I think you are misunderstanding what you put in bold.

The fact you're painting me as taking every negative comment about AEW that way when it's not true.

[Bert]

Punk vs Sydal is commercial free tonight.

[Nash Diesel]

The fact you're painting me as taking every negative comment about AEW that way when it's not true.

It is true. You already proved it. I said something construed as being negative and you had an excuse for it. Your original defense was questioning my take on something, calling it odd when it was a very reasonable take. Then you doubled down and made even more excuses.

It's all the time. You, Bert, Hero!, and Matthorison I can always fucking count on making excuses like this guy is going to one day reward you for sucking his booker cock.

[Nash Diesel]

Punk vs Sydal is commercial free tonight.

FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bert]

FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This, but unironically. The only two wrestlers I've met having a commercial free match is pretty cool to me.

[Nash Diesel]

This, but unironically. The only two wrestlers I've met having a commercial free match is pretty cool to me.

That's probably the dumbest thing ever posted in this thread. It's cool because you've met them.....? You weirdos ruin this shit for me on a daily lol.

[Bert]

Ok.

[Psycho666Soldier]

One negative comment = every negative comment

[Bert]

You could just not come in the thread, Nash.

VHS has also kindly made you your own discord channel.

[Bert]

Tony says JDS cracked his rib when he hit him with a power double leg takedown. I think it was after they went off air too.

[Hero!]

Punk/Sydal Will be commercial free


edit: sorry Bert I wasn’t reading all this shit

[Hero!]

TIL Evolve 4's main event was Bryan Danielson vs Bobby Fish and the opening match was Brodie Lee vs Jon Moxley. I wish more Evolve was on Peacock. They have "seasons 1 and 2" and then "season 10" they skip over a lot of good shit like Darby Allin vs Ethan Page.

evolve was pretty bad, honestly. Some random good shit, but mostly all the worst elements of ROH.

bryan and fish from evolve 4 isn that good.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Honestly, I'm very meh on Bobby Fish and always have been. I think he's a solid dude to have around and can make for a good person to give a star a dance partner or to give some cred to someone less tested. But I'm not exactly looking forward to either of his matches this weekend. Other than being down to watch Bryan wrestle just about anyone.

[Nash Diesel]

You could just not come in the thread, Nash.

VHS has also kindly made you your own discord channel.

You and VHS look real cute together.

I could do a lot of things, just like you could as well. But, we all have to eat, shit, breathe, and post so whatcha gonna do?

[Nash Diesel]

Tony says JDS cracked his rib when he hit him with a power double leg takedown. I think it was after they went off air too.

When you live on a diet of rice, banana laffy taffy, and cocaine, you are bound to have these things not really happen.

[Morrison]

Honestly, I'm very meh on Bobby Fish and always have been. I think he's a solid dude to have around and can make for a good person to give a star a dance partner or to give some cred to someone less tested. But I'm not exactly looking forward to either of his matches this weekend. Other than being down to watch Bryan wrestle just about anyone.

same. he's good to put in there with someone you want to showcase, and he's great in a tag team, but otherwise just bland as hell.

[Psycho666Soldier]

same. he's good to put in there with someone you want to showcase, and he's great in a tag team, but otherwise just bland as hell.

Yeah, I meant to say he could be valuable in a tag team with either a younger guy or someone who's doing fuckall otherwise, but honestly, I don't even know that I'll care much if it's not a reDRagon reunion.

[Hero!]

Yeah, I meant to say he could be valuable in a tag team with either a younger guy or someone who's doing fuckall otherwise, but honestly, I don't even know that I'll care much if it's not a reDRagon reunion.

put him with Lee Moriarty. I feel like thats a money tag team

[Bert]

Hell yeah.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/cXHm7Oc.jpeg

TNT puts together cool posters.

[Hero!]

they fuckin love aew so much

[Tainted Eclipse]

Honestly, I'm very meh on Bobby Fish and always have been. I think he's a solid dude to have around and can make for a good person to give a star a dance partner or to give some cred to someone less tested. But I'm not exactly looking forward to either of his matches this weekend. Other than being down to watch Bryan wrestle just about anyone.

Generally always agreed but I thought he looked really good against Sammy last week, good striking that was worked well in the match. Made me think he’d match up really well with danielson so I’m excited for that match

[Psycho666Soldier]

Generally always agreed but I thought he looked really good against Sammy last week, good striking that was worked well in the match. Made me think he’d match up really well with danielson so I’m excited for that match

I did like the match with Sammy. I was more into it than I was before the bell rang.

[Badger]

Honestly, I'm very meh on Bobby Fish and always have been. I think he's a solid dude to have around and can make for a good person to give a star a dance partner or to give some cred to someone less tested. But I'm not exactly looking forward to either of his matches this weekend. Other than being down to watch Bryan wrestle just about anyone.

Riddle and his silly song about him at TakeOver is probably the most attention I’ve paid to him as an individual. Solid worker no doubt but was always just….there.

The UE guys were great together but apart (besides Cole)…charisma bypass.

[Bert]

He did a good pretape promo before the Sammy match and I also thought it was a good match. I'd really only seen him in UE matches before.

[Badger]

He did a good pretape promo before the Sammy match and I also thought it was a good match. I'd really only seen him in UE matches before.

Pretaped being a key word. We all thought way about Sean O’Haire and look how that turned out.

On the live stage is what really counts.

[Hero!]

Amanda Huber is all elite! She’ll be joining AEW as a part of the Community Outreach team.


that’s awesome. Keeping money coming into the household after Brodie’s passing.

[Badger]

Amanda Huber is all elite! She’ll be joining AEW as a part of the Community Outreach team.


that’s awesome. Keeping money coming into the household after Brodie’s passing.

That’s really cool.

Does Negative One really need to go to school? He has a job for life lol.

Seriously really cool.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/ipHzmucwYtc

[mth]

Nothing on tonight's show that I'm interested in, really, but I do want to see Malakai Black vs. Dante Martin on tomorrow's show.

[Bert]

Lee's music sounds like a mix of Hello Kitty and Navi from Zelda.

[Hero!]

Nothing on tonight's show that I'm interested in, really, but I do want to see Malakai Black vs. Dante Martin on tomorrow's show.


Suzuki vs Danielson on the buy-in?

[Badger]

Dante Martin strikes me as a Leon Ruff kinda guy. How amazing would it have been if he or Fuego would’ve beaten Miro instead of Sammy (who I do like)?

I want to see Dante go heel and say fuck everyone.

[Bert]

Dante Martin is way better than Leon Ruff. He's more like Ricochet.

[Defrost]

I was very wrong about Bryan Danielson

[Bert]

I was very wrong about Bryan Danielson

What did you say?

[Badger]

Dante Martin is way better than Leon Ruff. He's more like Ricochet.

Was more talking Dante could pull off a shock title win one day and still wet behind the ears to pull off a big career-changing win whereas Ricochet in WWE as lovely as he is is getting past that point.

[Bert]

Suzuki has the face like a flower, a cauliflower!

[Psycho666Soldier]

Holy shit this rules

[Morrison]

that was absolutely phenomenal.

[Hero!]

Perfect match. Amazing. I could go for another twenty minutes of that easily

[Badger]

Holy shit this rules

Christ better delete that by Monday before Nash gets here.

[Defrost]

What did you say?

I thought he'd been in WWE so long and between that and age people were setting themselves up for disappointment in thinking what'd he be if he did leave WWE.

And he just immediately went back to being the Bryan Danielson of the mid 2000s.

[Badger]

I thought he'd been in WWE so long and between that and age people were setting themselves up for disappointment in thinking what'd he be if he did leave WWE.

And he just immediately went back to being the Bryan Danielson of the mid 2000s.

When a heart of cynical wrestling fandom stone is melted, they must be doing something right ;)

[Hero!]

I thought he'd been in WWE so long and between that and age people were setting themselves up for disappointment in thinking what'd he be if he did leave WWE.

And he just immediately went back to being the Bryan Danielson of the mid 2000s.


when we got the cattle mutilation and mma elbows back in his first match I knew AmDrag was back

[MTR]

Love seeing the American Dragon. That match was awesome

[Morrison]

Perfect match. Amazing. I could go for another twenty minutes of that easily

same. i was almost hoping it'd go the 30 minutes.

[Mazer]

I was skeptical of the strategy in putting this show together.

But it doesn't matter.

The Fucking American Dragon.

[Morrison]

what do i mean 'almost,' i wish it did. great excuse to do it again on a big dynamite or ppv.

[Hero!]

Punk vs Sydal has been awesome

[MTR]

Another great match

[Morrison]

Punk vs Sydal has been awesome

best punk has looked in-ring since coming back. that was fantastic.

[Hero!]

best punk has looked in-ring since coming back. that was fantastic.

I have enjoyed every punk match so far. The Hobbs one wasn’t as great but it was fun in its own way. I really liked Punk vs Garcia last week a lot.

im enjoying punk as the Rampage guy. He can just go out there, work 20 minutes, and then do promos on Wednesday

[Bert]

CM Trunks is the best.

Fuck the longbois.

[Hero!]

I’m a big fan of the longbois

[Psycho666Soldier]

Bunny actually looked decent tonight.

[Bert]

Who is Ruby going to get for a friend?

[Psycho666Soldier]

Who is Ruby going to get for a friend?

Thunder Rosa

[Bert]

Very excited to see how well JDS does.

[Bert]

Thunder Rosa

That was my guess. It might be Kiera Hogan though with that Penelope Ford match.

[Bert]

I thought this already happened but I guess maybe he's moved up to tier 1 or whatever?

https://i.imgur.com/Y66H6KW.jpeg
Taigastyle!

[Hero!]

Very excited to see how well JDS does.


Same! I hope we get Masvidal in the ring at some point too. I love that fucker

[Hero!]

I thought this already happened but I guess maybe he's moved up to tier 1 or whatever?

Taigastyle!

yah, he was on a tier 0 before, so this means he’s now tier 1 at least

[Bert]

Daniel Garcia said he was signed on Evil Uno's vlog. So maybe he's still tier 0. They should lock him down too though.

[Bert]

Why were they saying holy shit the first time?

[Hero!]

Wow, Sky gets the pin too. Wow!

[Psycho666Soldier]

Honestly, I was kind of hoping Inner Circle would win here so that American Top Team(specifically Ethan Page/Sky) could win the blowoff match that I assume will happen. But honestly, I think I'm good with American Top Team looking dominant until the whole Inner Circle comes together.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i'd been growing a little tired to suzuki's schtick for the last while, to tell you to truth. still mostly enjoyed him but had been often finding his much-praised matches hollow imitations of his years earlier work. but that match with danielson was outstanding. amazing work from both guys, one of the best matches of the year.

[Tainted Eclipse]

also thought punk/sydal was wrestled exactly like the kind of match they'd have had in ROH in 2004 or 2005, really smart, well worked, well put together, with the highspots being things that had been built to the entire match rather than just move move move. lots of guys in AEW could learn from a match like that.

[Hero!]

also thought punk/sydal was wrestled exactly like the kind of match they'd have had in ROH in 2004 or 2005, really smart, well worked, well put together, with the highspots being things that had been built to the entire match rather than just move move move. lots of guys in AEW could learn from a match like that.

is Danielson vs ishii the dream match right now? Has to be right?

danielson/Okada would obviously hump, but Danielson/Ishii I feel would be a fucking classic

[Tainted Eclipse]

four matches into this AEW run i'm confident saying danielson is still the #1 best in the world.

[Tainted Eclipse]

is Danielson vs ishii the dream match right now? Has to be right?

danielson/Okada would obviously hump, but Danielson/Ishii I feel would be a fucking classic

danielson/darby allin is easily my #1 dream match right now.

[Badger]

Honestly, I was kind of hoping Inner Circle would win here so that American Top Team(specifically Ethan Page/Sky) could win the blowoff match that I assume will happen. But honestly, I think I'm good with American Top Team looking dominant until the whole Inner Circle comes together.

I haven’t watched this ep yet and will watch tomorrow but it seems like it’s following the simple yet effective formula of the bad guys winning the battle but the faces winning the war like with the Pinnacle feud.

Make the face (s) chase.

[mth]

Suzuki vs Danielson on the buy-in?

The only Suzuki I've seen was his match with Mox a month or so ago and it sucked so not a good sell. However, after reading everyone's reactions to this match with Danielson, I might check it out.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/RXd5cjK.jpeg

Tomorrow's card.

[BGMaverick]

Extremely solid crowd for the show.

I don't know why, but it makes me chuckle that Santana just moves from promotion to promotion and just appears to be fodder. Tay seems to be coming along but her timing needs some work.

Kind of curious to see when KOR's contract runs out because despite being a stacked division, reDRagon could be good utilization for both guys. Just not entirely sure what role Fish has in AEW other than helping younger guys. Certainly value in that but looking to make more of him than just that, while still helping others. Moriarty was pretty solid and will definitely be another in a long line of guys to watch mature/develop in the company.

Danielson/Suzuki was physical theatrics to the maximum. I was trying to come up with how to describe it and that's what just came to mind as they took time to set everything up, allowed the crowd to really taking things up, and then just delivered bomb. The sell Danielson had after that forearm when they first when into dueling shots at each other was pretty remarkable. He just sold that forearm like instant death. I was quite a fan of the counters near the finishing stretch of the match. It was a good much but I enjoyed Omega/Danielson much much more.

It's still kind of intriguing to see Punk come back after a seven-year absence to primarily work as the top attraction for the second show. That said, he's looked pretty damn good in each showing. The fun-loving Punk is thriving and that's going to make it that much more palpable whenever he does inevitably turn.

Bunny and Ruby had pretty good chemistry together.

The main event probably was much better than anticipated, and the crowd certainly helped enhance things across the board. Jericho was perfect in his role in helping steer the ship. It probably helps to minimize his shortcomings to have multi-man matches, too. JDS marking out as Guevara hit that springboard stunner was hilarious but quite awesome. I thought things were rushed by going with Guevara and giving him the TNT championship but he's really coming into his own more as time as come along. ATT really seems to be coming into its own as a group. Jericho being the one to take the fall is pretty notable, as well.

[Bert]

Crowd chanting tap? Brutal.

[Bert]

Good match. Nice to see some selling from Dante.

[Bert]

So this is how we get to FTR vs Lucha Bros.

[Bert]

FTR going to AAA? Nice.

[Bert]

That was the funniest shit with the kiss on Cole.

[Bert]

Miro vs God.

[Bert]

Great promo from Hangman. Crowd was hanging on every word.

[Tainted Eclipse]

DUSTIN RHODES VS BRYAN DANIELSON?????????????

[Sasori]

Easily Hangman's best promo. It's definitely his time.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I was just thinking earlier today that Hangman needs to do a promo where he talks about the emotional growth that's been going on since the start of AEW, both to catch newer fans up to speed and to officially tie this in to Hangman's entire journey. Glad we got that here.

Next I need Hangman to tell Kenny to his face that he carried those tag matches.

[Matthew]

Miro vs God.
ugh aew signing more wwe rejects

[Psycho666Soldier]

Also, really dug Miro's promo last night. All of his backstage promos are awesome, but I love this evolution of calling himself God's Favorite Champion and then immediately gearing up for war with God the moment he loses the title is both hilarious and awesome. I want to see him crush a jobber on Dynamite or Rampage and just start screaming "WHERE ARE YOU GOD?!" as he's beating the ever living shit out of his poor victim.

[Hero!]

I love seeing an ex-champion who is devastated by the loss. He doesn’t just move onto the next thing. He’s out for blood.

[mth]

Watched Danielson vs. Suzuki. Vastly superior to the match with Mox. Really good stuff.

Also watched Black vs. Martin which was pretty solid, too.

[Hero!]

Martin vs Black was awesome. I’d give Punk/Sydal a watch too. Awesome match and vastly different from the other 2 you watched.

[Murphy]

The brackets for the men's eliminator tournament are a little odd. As much as I want to see Dustin and Bryan, it seems very strange that Dustin is in it, especially as it's only an 8 man tournament. And some random member of the Dark Order?

[MTR]

The reasoning is probably to give different people a chance to win that are not up in the rankings. Maybe. Not sure. Seems reasonable.

[Nash Diesel]

Watched Danielson vs. Suzuki. Vastly superior to the match with Mox. Really good stuff.

Also watched Black vs. Martin which was pretty solid, too.

Dante Martin is phenomenal and looks like the bastard son of John Cena.

IMHO, this was Black's best match since joining AEW.

[Murphy]

Martin and Rush are going to be a really fun team. :yes:

Assuming Rush doesn't retire again, of course.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm intrigued by the pairing for sure.

[Nash Diesel]

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/246069219_1967806090055937_7708334388590305312_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=k2dUVNoHBfgAX802Wm0&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=6d8b95217cd4550a1c3c7e0ebb850577&oe=6192BA93

Is this who inspired Black's skull mask? I hope. I always thought this dude was a bad motherfucker.

[Mazer]

Also, really dug Miro's promo last night. All of his backstage promos are awesome, but I love this evolution of calling himself God's Favorite Champion and then immediately gearing up for war with God the moment he loses the title is both hilarious and awesome. I want to see him crush a jobber on Dynamite or Rampage and just start screaming "WHERE ARE YOU GOD?!" as he's beating the ever living shit out of his poor victim.

I kinda love this idea.

Miro the Blasphemous.

[Mazer]

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/246069219_1967806090055937_7708334388590305312_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=k2dUVNoHBfgAX802Wm0&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=6d8b95217cd4550a1c3c7e0ebb850577&oe=6192BA93

Is this who inspired Black's skull mask? I hope. I always thought this dude was a bad motherfucker.

Underrated flick. Was pretty intense as a kid.

[VHS]

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/246069219_1967806090055937_7708334388590305312_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=k2dUVNoHBfgAX802Wm0&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=6d8b95217cd4550a1c3c7e0ebb850577&oe=6192BA93

Is this who inspired Black's skull mask? I hope. I always thought this dude was a bad motherfucker.

DESTROY THE BEAST! FIND THE BABY!

[Hero!]

what the fuck are you old people talking about, who is that

[Nash Diesel]

what the fuck are you old people talking about, who is that

One of the villains from the movie Willow.

[Mazer]

what the fuck are you old people talking about, who is that

Its right up your alley Hero.

Frankly, I'm disappointed. I'm tempted to call you a stupid daikini, but I am not sure if that's right for you.

[Hero!]

is this shit on streaming?

that skull guy looks cool

[Hero!]

So overall, Rampage beat the 30 min smackdown overrun in the demo. Becky/Sasha lost to Punk/Sydal, but interestingly enough Bunny vs Ruby tied with the contract signing.

I think they're head to head again for a bit this week? So, let's see what gets thrown out there this week, lol

[Nash Diesel]

is this shit on streaming?

that skull guy looks cool

Disney+


So overall, Rampage beat the 30 min smackdown overrun in the demo. Becky/Sasha lost to Punk/Sydal, but interestingly enough Bunny vs Ruby tied with the contract signing.

I think they're head to head again for a bit this week? So, let's see what gets thrown out there this week, lol

Out of respect for those of you from your era who were raised with the whole "everyone gets a trophy" mentality I just want to try and old chant from back in the day:

SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*

AEW lost. Smackdown won. Smackdown on a channel not very many people even have. Rampage already has a reputation. Where did the 500k fans go that tuned in for Punk? They literally lost half a million viewers in a matter of weeks. That's crazy. For a company who's hardcore fanbase prides itself on praising ratings like 800,000-1.2 million, where's that energy now? Instead it's "The key demo" What a joke. What was it 0.32 v. 0.34...? Just take the L with all that money he's got.

[VHS]

what the fuck are you old people talking about, who is that



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSxc9GBIXpU

[Psycho666Soldier]

Disney+



Out of respect for those of you from your era who were raised with the whole "everyone gets a trophy" mentality I just want to try and old chant from back in the day:

SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*
SHUT THE FUCK UP *CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP*

AEW lost. Smackdown won. Smackdown on a channel not very many people even have. Rampage already has a reputation. Where did the 500k fans go that tuned in for Punk? They literally lost half a million viewers in a matter of weeks. That's crazy. For a company who's hardcore fanbase prides itself on praising ratings like 800,000-1.2 million, where's that energy now? Instead it's "The key demo" What a joke. What was it 0.32 v. 0.34...? Just take the L with all that money he's got.

Rampage's half hour beat Smackdown's final half hour purely in viewers

[Hero!]

Rampage's half hour beat Smackdown's final half hour purely in viewers

Old man yells at cloud

[Bert]

Chants never last that long either.

[Nash Diesel]

Rampage's half hour beat Smackdown's final half hour purely in viewers

So?

[Nash Diesel]

Old man yells at cloud

You could learn a thing or two.

[Bert]

So?

So that was the head to head part.

[Psycho666Soldier]

So your argument is moot. You said Smackdown beat Rampage, but when they were actually going head-to-head with WWE's biggest segments of the night, AEW outdid them.

[Nash Diesel]

So your argument is moot. You said Smackdown beat Rampage, but when they were actually going head-to-head with WWE's biggest segments of the night, AEW outdid them.

LOL remember the other day when you tried to say you don't have an excuse for everything....here you are.

Here's my argument: Smackdown beat Rampage. Slice it up however you want Man of 1,000 Excuses, but they lost.

Again, you don't make excuses yet here you are trying to slice it up. Anything to try and make AEW seem like they never do anything less than WWE lol. For fuck's sake.

[Nash Diesel]

You same AEW marks propped up AEW beating Raw in the key demo like it was a real victory. Like I said, anything to make it seem like AEW always has the drop on WWE.

I can't wait for the non-excuse making quitter Psycho666 (oh edgy!) to make another excuse.

[Hero!]

So your argument is moot. You said Smackdown beat Rampage, but when they were actually going head-to-head with WWE's biggest segments of the night, AEW outdid them.


shhh facts have no place in an argument with ND

[Nash Diesel]

shhh facts have no place in an argument with ND

The fact that Smackdown beat Rampage?

[Hero!]

The fact that Smackdown beat Rampage?

you don’t know how to read and that’s ok

[Hero!]

For the thirty minute that the two programs were head to head, more people watched aew


i know, numbers are hard and you’re not that bright, but you should probably stop acting like a petulant child because you’re wrong.

[Hero!]

10-10:15: 363,000 vs. 272,000
10-15-10:30: 293,000 vs. 293,000


Full 30 min: 328,000 vs. 282,500


can anyone good at math tell me which numbers are larger this is so hard and difficult to figure out

[Nash Diesel]

The other day you guys were bragging about Dynamite beating Raw in the 18-49 demo.

Smackdown had more viewers than Rampage. Smackdown lost 60% of their audience moving to FSN and Rampage still couldn't get a decent rating. They had a 13% increase, wow.

I just don't see why you guys pretend like you're about one thing and then change it up when AEW doesn't pull it off.

[Psycho666Soldier]

LOL remember the other day when you tried to say you don't have an excuse for everything....here you are.

Here's my argument: Smackdown beat Rampage. Slice it up however you want Man of 1,000 Excuses, but they lost.

Again, you don't make excuses yet here you are trying to slice it up. Anything to try and make AEW seem like they never do anything less than WWE lol. For fuck's sake.

I'm just pointing out where your argument obviously falls short. No excuses needed.

[Hero!]

I'm just pointing out where your argument obviously falls short. No excuses needed.


numbers hard

[Nash Diesel]

I'm just pointing out where your argument obviously falls short. No excuses needed.

It didn't fall short. Who had more viewers? Smackdown.

[Nash Diesel]

numbers hard

I've read your posts about educating, it's scary.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It didn't fall short. Who had more viewers? Smackdown.

Not when viewers had to choose which show they wanted to watch live.

[Nash Diesel]

Not when viewers had to choose which show they wanted to watch live.

More people watched Smackdown live than they did AEW. Is this even a real conversation right now??

[Psycho666Soldier]

More people watched Smackdown live than they did AEW. Is this even a real conversation right now??

It is, surprisingly

[Nash Diesel]

It is, surprisingly

How difficult would it be for you to not make an excuse for AEW?

[Psycho666Soldier]

See my comments on Bobby Fish

[Bert]

Amazing that so many people watched Rampage live when at the exact same time they could have been watching that extra half hour of Smackdown. Huge win for AEW.

[Bert]

https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1450168869692248072?t=nbR0b2UtjQ50til92SmnjQ&s=19

This is the holy shit moment that wasn't on TV.

[Nash Diesel]

See my comments on Bobby Fish

What about them?

[BGMaverick]

The Martin/Black match was really good. The nod at the end was an unnecessary but fun touch.

I definitely laughed when Punk made the comment about Serena's hair.

The comedy was probably more memorable to me than the actual match between the trios. Like the teasing they did between Britt and Ana. It's a good progression for both of them and has added sizzle based on the implication of who they're dating and the different level of animosity that can be created by that. It can be good to utilize that as long as you don't beat the viewer over the head with it.

Miro's promo was really good and used his message in a warped perspective now. Shame he's not in the tournament but I'm guessing that's fitting for the narrative he's using now.

Page needed to deliver a money promo to give his character direction, address his absence, and set the stage for the road ahead and he really delivered. They've got time to build off that and it's safe to say that the promo established a very strong foundation for his reintroduction.

Good grappling for the main event.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't understand the World title eliminator tournament one bit. Why is Moxley wrestling #10? Why is Danielson wrestling Rhodes? It would be one thing if these were matches to get IN to the tournament and then you'd have a pretty good 8-man tournament. Who knows....maybe #10 will win it all and throw everyone off.

[Bert]

Too many people that shouldn't lose right now.

[Mazer]

Too many people that shouldn't lose right now.

I agree with this. Its going to be interesting to see how AEW handles managing these competing priorities over the next 3-6 months. Hard to keep as many people that separate in the long-term.

I enjoyed this week's programming quite a bit. I didn't enjoy this week's Tony Kahn interview statements, too much of a weird ego vibe right now.

[Nash Diesel]

Too many people that shouldn't lose right now.


I agree with this. Its going to be interesting to see how AEW handles managing these competing priorities over the next 3-6 months. Hard to keep as many people that separate in the long-term.

I enjoyed this week's programming quite a bit. I didn't enjoy this week's Tony Kahn interview statements, too much of a weird ego vibe right now.

So you put lames in the WORLD TITLE ELIMINATOR to avoid someone taking a loss?

That's a huge problem with AEW. Too many padded records. Quality over quantity is something they need to really think about.

The ratings don't lie. Rampage lost over half their audience. Dynamite hasn't really grown beyond what we all expected when NXT moved to Tuesdays. When they do put on a heavy card, it doesn't really move the needle but at least it's better than watching Sting beat up the youth or Moxley v. some nobody.

[Mazer]

There was realistically no way for Rampage to keep that ratins audience. Punk was something that most people wanted to see live. It was one of the few things that could significantly cut into recordings. I'm not sure that the decline in total viewership isn't less than traditional ratings suggest.

That said, Tony Kahn is making weird flexes on ratings that exist inside margin of error.

There's a level of specificity in these ratings arguments that are asinine. Ratings are estimates. And increasingly imprecise. They're arguably less relevant now than social media tracking. The thing is, those numbers are not readily available to the public, so 90s logic and availability makes us overinflate. Of course, they are also easy to point to by company reps on social media and investor calls.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens when the model changes.


https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/nielsen-local-tv-impressions-ratings-1235069796/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nielsen-media-companies-tv-ratings-improvements-1235010407/

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/nielsen-undercounting-tv-ratings-coronavirus-1234970113/

[chatty]

I don't get these demograph ratings. So Smackdown gets more viewers but because AEW gets more in a certain age category they claim it as more.

Doesn't make sense to me. Do people outside of that bracket not count like?

[Nash Diesel]

AEW will claim anything as a win. It's like listening to die hard supporters of Hillary Clinton. Only here in this thread it's die hard supporters of Trump.

[Mazer]

I don't get these demograph ratings. So Smackdown gets more viewers but because AEW gets more in a certain age category they claim it as more.

Doesn't make sense to me. Do people outside of that bracket not count like?

The 18-49 male demographic is among the most valuable to advertisers. Its viewed that people in this category have some level of autonomy in their purchasing decisions, but are more less likely to have established brand loyalty.

Like in the last 20 years, I've had toyotas, kias, fords, and a lincoln as vehicles. I will likely not go through as many different auto companies in the next 20 years.

Advertisers expect I'll be less likely to flip companies as I get older. And often they're right. So they want to get me before I buy my 3rd apple product, and therefore never allowed to consider the specs on a competing product again.

So shows with higher ratings in that demo can sell ads at a higher rate for shows that have the exact same viewership at different demographics.



Which still is kind of a weird thing for companies or fans to flex on.

Although I kinda have enjoyed Jericho calling himself a demo god anyway. What can I say? I can't stay mad at him.

[Hero!]

I don't get these demograph ratings. So Smackdown gets more viewers but because AEW gets more in a certain age category they claim it as more.

Doesn't make sense to me. Do people outside of that bracket not count like?

During the 30 minutes the 2 programs were head to head, more people watched AEW. Nothing to do with demographics. For the other 2 hours when Smackdown was on TV and AEW was not, Smackdown had more viewers.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Tony Khan is definitely in tool mode with how much he's boasted about this stuff lately.

The important thing for me isn't so much AEW beating WWE but more that the closer they get, the more likely they are to sustain as competition and keep support from the network and all that jazz. Not only is that good for AEW, but I feel the more successes they have, the more WWE will feel pressured to give a full effort with their product regularly.

[Mazer]

I'm a big believer in competition there as well.

And honestly, I'm not a brand loyalist. I agree with Yes Movement Daniel Bryan "American Dragon" Danielsen. There's too much tribalism among fans.


Like its fucking emotionally challenging to be both enjoying Roman Reigns' heel run and the potential for Hangman Page to go over Kenny Omega?


And yes, I legitimately get more worried about the long-term sustainability the more I hear Tony Kahn talk. hopefully, as the inevitable bumps come his way, he brings it back in.

[Bert]

I think he's just playing off of the buzz and the idea that all publicity is good.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't get the fascination. I would enjoy talking someone who was in their 30's, 40's during the Monday Night Wars. Everyone of my older relatives or friends' siblings who were older, none of them watched wrestling. They knew The Rock, Stone Cold, nWo, but they also knew other shit that was popular-didn't mean they watched it. Obviously you look in the crowds and you see these people but were they truly brand loyal or were they just loyal to sports entertainment?

That's why you'll hear Eric and Bruce talk about how it wasn't 9-10 million fans watching Nitro and Raw it was more like 7 maybe 8 million and a lot of channel surfing.

I just think some fans get caught up in the mob mentality, like they're part of the company the same way I'm sure straw hat guy and Faith No More guitarist in the ECW crowd were.

[Nash Diesel]

If you watch WWE or any company and all you can think of is "I can't wait to shit on the other company when this is over!" You have a mental issue. It's weird.

[Sasori]

You'll never look at Orange Cassidy the same way again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAbjTlxj2ms

[Bert]

You'll never look at Orange Cassidy the same way again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAbjTlxj2ms

On the flip side:
https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1408329546307411969?t=po0yD2-RI5Y4Q3zO71hNfg&s=19

[Nash Diesel]

Those versions both suck balls. This is the only persona he should be known for, the all powerful Fire Ant:

https://i.imgur.com/8kINqGy.jpg

[Mazer]

I think he's just playing off of the buzz and the idea that all publicity is good.

He might be. He also might be James Dolan who thinks his dad's success makes him successful.

But the whole "WWE watches AEW at NXT, we JUST CONCENTRATE on OUR SHOW', but also "I have more money than WWE and I can't wait to kick their ass straight up"


Ultimately, its all a wash as long as AEW continues to put out a wrestling show I enjoy.

But it seems like he's going to become a bit of card. Or maybe not. This is AEW's biggest spotlight. He might chill with thime.

[Nash Diesel]

He's not stupid, let's just make that perfectly clear. He's a super mark. When people watch AEW they need that anti-WWE rhetoric. They need Dan Lambert so they can pretend to boo the naysayers, the Jim Cornette's, the Russo's, whoever the fuck.

See, 25-30 years ago, Vince McMahon would've been right there on Twitter, on the the Canadian talk shows, taking a shit on Tony Khan. In a way he still is, remember that line about how he said he would keep providing them talent? That was brilliant. Vince is just too old to truly give a shit about another wrestling company because despite demos and tv ratings, AEW doesn't have the global presence and that's fine. I don't know if that's Tony's goal.

5 years from now will Tony Khan even be running AEW?

[Nash Diesel]

It's like watching ECW back in the day. I wasn't into Bischoff releasing the results of Raw, it honestly didn't bother me because A-I didn't know if he was lying and B-you can't get a real feel of the product by reading results.

But ECW were ruthless, even when they were in business with the WWF at the time. And I think a lot of people tuned in to listen to Shane Douglas or Taz take a shit on Ric Flair, HBK, Vince, Hogan, etc. Whatever was mainstream, whatever was #1-fuck 'em.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Tony's gonna end up being the next Feinstein.

You heard it here first

[Hero!]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCF4gClWUAIjxVg?format=jpg&name=large

[Mazer]

Tony's gonna end up being the next Feinstein.

You heard it here first

When I first read this, I saw it as Weinstein.


I thought that he's a bit out there, but I'm not sure that we go there.

[BGMaverick]

When I first read this, I saw it as Weinstein.


I thought that he's a bit out there, but I'm not sure that we go there.

You were not alone in your first read assessment, ha.

[Mazer]

Although, I do want Psych to now dive deeper into his Feinstein theory.

[Nash Diesel]

So is Khan going to get a #metoo moment? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Psycho, how can you have such incredible taste in rap music (Going to see my favorite rapper GZA) yet act like such a jabroni? I guess I should ask myself that same question........

From now on I will no longer shit on you.

[Hero!]

Feinstein isn’t better then Weinstein, unfortunately.

[Mazer]

So is Khan going to get a #metoo moment? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Psycho, how can you have such incredible taste in rap music (Going to see my favorite rapper GZA) yet act like such a jabroni? I guess I should ask myself that same question........

From now on I will no longer shit on you.

You're thinking of Weinstein (as we all were). And not Feinstein.

[Bert]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCF4gClWUAIjxVg?format=jpg&name=large

I'm glad it's finally official. Now if only Garcia had better taste in rap. Westside Gunn fucking sucks.

[Hero!]

I'm glad it's finally official. Now if only Garcia had better taste in rap. Westside Gunn fucking sucks.


what about Austin gunn

[Bert]

what about Austin gunn

He's aight. I know you don't really watch Sammy's vlog but I think you'll like this.

https://i.imgur.com/SXS2srk.jpeg

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/L8ovNcYzaGE

[Hero!]

He's aight. I know you don't really watch Sammy's vlog but I think you'll like this.

I do and I am excited. Always happy to see more Luchadors working in the states.

[Nash Diesel]

You're thinking of Weinstein (as we all were). And not Feinstein.

Oh I'm well aware of who is who. I thought maybe I was confusing Rob Black from XPW with Rob Feinstein (Founder of Ring of Honor/RF Video for those who don't know) but I just googled the Feinstein situation. He got Chris Hanson'd trying to meet a 14 year old boy.

The thing with Tony is I don't really see him being about this life forever. He'll dip from AEW before Vince dies.

[Mazer]

I was not aware of that Feinstein situation.

Psycho has taken us to a dark place today.

[OD50]

He's aight. I know you don't really watch Sammy's vlog but I think you'll like this.
So, I try to keep up with Dynamite and Rampage but why is Cody wrestling as a luchador in the Impact Zone..? Is it Arn forcing him to work his way back up from the bottom?

/I don't watch any vlogs or whatever you kids call it.

[Bert]

So, I try to keep up with Dynamite and Rampage but why is Cody wrestling as a luchador in the Impact Zone..? Is it Arn forcing him to work his way back up from the bottom?

/I don't watch any vlogs or whatever you kids call it.

They were doing this thing on Sammy Guevara's vlog where Fuego Del Sol was Dustin Rhodes' son and then one day Cody just shows up in luchador gear and they censor his neck tattoo on the youtube show and call him Fuego 2 - Son of Fuego, saying this is Fuego Del Sol's son. It doesn't have anything to do with the Cody Rhodes storyline. Everyone will no sell him being Cody most likely.

[Psycho666Soldier]

In case it wasn't clear, I don't actually think Tony is gonna wind up like Feinstein. But there is a part of me that wonders if he's really as great of a guy as everyone professes or if he has a cult-like psychological ownership over all of his employees like a modern-day Paul Heyman.


So is Khan going to get a #metoo moment? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Psycho, how can you have such incredible taste in rap music (Going to see my favorite rapper GZA) yet act like such a jabroni? I guess I should ask myself that same question........

From now on I will no longer shit on you.

Unlike some people here, I actually think you're chill. I might give you shit for opinions I think are weird and you'll do the same, but it's just message board shenanigans.

[Mazer]

Psych shamefully walking back his assault on Kahn here.

Honestly, I kinda feel the same. Like right now, he's building, he's given multiple people outlets, they're really still in the honeymoon phase.

Right now, he's the first viable alternative to McMahon/WWE in a while. Read some reports that WWE internally thinks that AEW will have a WCW like spending/budget arc (who knows if that's true).



I'm rooting for AEW. I like having alternatives, and I very much enjoy a lot of aspects of the show, so I'm hopeful they continue to grow and adapt.

But in a lot of ways, the next few years are more interesting to me than the start-up phase.

[Psycho666Soldier]

They're pretty much in the "Put up or shut up" phase right now. They've earned the goodwill, built up the foundation, established stars and brought in some heavy hitters. The next few years will show if they really do have long-term planning that's sustainable and whether they can adapt well on the fly when things change up. As positive as I am about the product, there are lingering things like Punk not really shaking the world right now and some people not carrying forward momentum from big moments, so there's enough doubt that it's exciting to see how it plays out.

In general, I feel like they've had a strong enough great:shit ratio that I think they have proven they're here for at least another 5 years barring a drastic implosion or scandal. But if enough of the effort is hollow or poorly thought out, that'll show by the end of that 5 years.

[BGMaverick]

I might be making a mountain of a molehill (and that's usually my thing) but I was wondering about Danielson and Punk and how they're utilized. I'm wondering if there's actually a difference in their perceived value in the pecking order within the company. I just think it's interesting how Punk is mainly "working" the Friday show and working with younger talents, while Bryan is pushing for the top championship in the company. I guess part of it might be the working ability/learning curve as Punk was out of the game for years and Danielson was just out for a few months.

Since there's a few days before the next show, just thought what other people thought.

[Mazer]

Its interesting for sure. I do kind of agree. A build makes more sense for Punk. Daniel was fighting for a championship, just a few months before AEW. Him starting in the middle would have felt more off.

I'm skeptical that CM Punk wrestling midcard is going to move the audience needle (it never did previously). Eventually people are going to want a pay-off, and I would guess you'll drive some engagement with the story.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think Bryan has more priority as sort of a current top draw. Punk I think is in a weird part-timer void where, like you said, he needs to shake off ring rust, and knowing his personality, he probably wanted to sort of ease into it instead of going whole hog into big programs and being the main spotlight. And while I can see the argument that it's a misuse of Punk and the momentum his signing brought, I think it's probably for the best considering the landscape in AEW right now. There's a handful of people that are on the cusp on breaking through to the top in AEW, and you throw in people like Bryan and Punk into the mix, it's a lot more crowded. Bryan can carry on wrestling, so as long as you advertise his matches and give some occasional mic time or face-to-face build, he doesn't have to facing FOR the title, but should be adjacent in the ultimate hierarchy of things. Punk can kind of live in his void until he feels comfortable moving on to bigger things or really sinking his teeth into a big program.

That said, I think there's still a way of doing that without underutilizing Punk. He can still be the unspoken Rampage draw squaring up against the low-to-midcard, but I really think they'll get more mileage out of having segments setting up those matches other than, "Hey guys, happy to be here, catch me on Friday!" Makes the matches more intriguing, takes more advantage of Punk, and more chance to give some shine to whoever he's facing.


There's also the part of me wondering if they're purposely milking the smiling Punk thing as long as they can until the crowd starts turning on him to flip that into a heel turn. I don't really think that's smart if that's what they're doing, but it crossed my mind.

[Bert]

I might be making a mountain of a molehill (and that's usually my thing) but I was wondering about Danielson and Punk and how they're utilized. I'm wondering if there's actually a difference in their perceived value in the pecking order within the company. I just think it's interesting how Punk is mainly "working" the Friday show and working with younger talents, while Bryan is pushing for the top championship in the company. I guess part of it might be the working ability/learning curve as Punk was out of the game for years and Danielson was just out for a few months.

Since there's a few days before the next show, just thought what other people thought.

I think Punk is doing what he wants to do, which is (mostly) work with the younger talent and help build them up and show off what they can do.

Bryan just wants to wrestle the already established wrestlers that are already considered good or the best, like Kenny.

I could see them trading off eventually and we get the Daniel Garcia vs Bryan Danielson match I want. Maybe Punk turns heel and starts feuding with top baby faces.

[BGMaverick]

It is rather smart on their part to make Punk the draw to Rampage. I'll give them that. It really does seem apparent that this happy-go-lucky Punk is definitely planting some seeds for when he turns but it's just a matter of when that will happen. I'm sure there could be a retread story of Punk/Hardy if he turns and tussles with Page. It would be wild if that eventually became a feud for the gold but that would likely require a very lengthy reign for Page because I doubt Punk is all the sudden going to jump to the front, though his record is indicating he's headed that way.

Another thing that I mentioned a while back that was alluded is we've got to see what comes of the Punk dust that he's sprinkled on the likes of Hobbs and Garcia. Allin was fine and was going to be fine before battling Punk but the other two are ones to monitor. The tricky thing is determining when those dividends are supposed to pay out.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Both were good showings for his opponents for sure. Only issue is Hobbs will probably be sidelined for whatever Ricky's doing for a while, though I think Garcia could benefit from just consistently getting ring time on TV until they're ready to put him in a proper program.

But that's why I definitely would like to see Punk get in even the most basic of angles with these dudes. If you're going to put them in there on Punk's time and not able to fit them somewhere else, why not make these more memorable before the bell rings?

[Nash Diesel]

I want to know what Rampage's ratings would be like if CM Punk wasn't used as the draw. I honestly don't think it would change. I honestly don't think that outside of the "AEW can do no wrong" crowd that people are not enjoying Punk's run right now like we should be.

Don't get it twisted-I respect Punk for wanting to do whatever he wants to do in his own life. But as a fan I have every right to look at what he wants to do and go yeah, no thanks. I'm not excited for CM Punk at all in AEW I'm just not. I'm not saying I just want to see him fight for the World title and all the established WWE guys + Kenny Omega. But right now he is literally fighting the bottom of the barrel.

Where the fuck did those other 4-500,000 fans go that tuned in to see him do a Disney remake of the pipebomb promo?

[BGMaverick]

Both were good showings for his opponents for sure. Only issue is Hobbs will probably be sidelined for whatever Ricky's doing for a while, though I think Garcia could benefit from just consistently getting ring time on TV until they're ready to put him in a proper program.

But that's why I definitely would like to see Punk get in even the most basic of angles with these dudes. If you're going to put them in there on Punk's time and not able to fit them somewhere else, why not make these more memorable before the bell rings?

Yeah, it's getting a 1-2 week build (at best) for these or next to nothing with Sydal. Like you said, you'd like to see more to make it worth the while so its kind of wonky how they're navigating it. That doesn't necessarily help when you're trying to help build them to amount to more via association.

[OD50]

They were doing this thing on Sammy Guevara's vlog where Fuego Del Sol was Dustin Rhodes' son and then one day Cody just shows up in luchador gear and they censor his neck tattoo on the youtube show and call him Fuego 2 - Son of Fuego, saying this is Fuego Del Sol's son. It doesn't have anything to do with the Cody Rhodes storyline. Everyone will no sell him being Cody most likely.
How odd.

Thanks.

[Mazer]

Where the fuck did those other 4-500,000 fans go that tuned in to see him do a Disney remake of the pipebomb promo?

I think some of them are still there. They're just not watching live.

I give Kahn credit for making it a "see it live" moment.



I do agree though. This is CM Punk. One of my favorite wrestlers. Its almost November. He should absolutely be in a compelling angle soon.

[Nash Diesel]

I think some of them are still there. They're just not watching live.

I give Kahn credit for making it a "see it live" moment.



I do agree though. This is CM Punk. One of my favorite wrestlers. Its almost November. He should absolutely be in a compelling angle soon.

Naw, if we're not giving Vince all the credit we're not giving any other promoter credit lol. CM Punk made that a "see it live" moment. It's too bad WWE stuck to their guns because if they had just sold out like CM Punk was going to, Raw/Smackdown would be thriving. He'd be in probably the biggest feud since Cena v. The Rock with Roman Reigns on Fox. Instead he's on TNT....Friday nights at 10pm/EST.....wrestling Ice Train and Evan Bourne......

You know he had a compelling storyline with Darby Allin. I'm not negative that AEW pivoted from MJF feuding with Pillman Jr to Darby, but we could've seen Darby v. Punk transition to include MJF, possibly set up Darby turning on heel with him feuding with Sting. Punk goes full on with MJF tearing the mics up every week.

It'll all be excused when he does wrestle another Darby or higher level talent as a slow burn. Like this guy was Jinder Mahal when he had his "slow burn" to WWE championship.

Also-I do agree to an extent about how a lot of those viewers aren't going out of their way for the reasons we keep mentioning. It's just such a huge fucking drop. It's not like Wednesday nights are some awesome slot. Wednesday has and always will be the worst night for anything. That's why they put hockey on Wednesdays lol. Fuck hockey.

[Bert]

Tony on Busted Open

"For Eric Bischoff, of all people, the guy who got lowered down on a motorcycle from the ceiling, the guy who challenged Vince McMahon to fight him, to say that somebody should stay quiet is laughable.

Eric is doing an act. I respect it, but let's be serious, Eric used to be a wrestling company executive and now he is a commentator and as a commentator, he's trying to stir up controversy, but I think it would be pretty naive of anybody to look at this and not examine that the person talking is Eric Bischoff, who is the most out-spoken wrestling executive of all-time and somebody who got a lot of heat, but somebody also who, look, if we're going to be honest, the things I'm trying to do in terms of balancing these great stars we have like CM Punk, Chris Jericho, and Bryan Danielson and people who come in with years of experience and they've got lots of time on television as big TV wrestling stars and then we have the people who have emerged hear and become TV wrestling stars in AEW like Kenny Omega and Hangman Page and the Young Bucks and we also have a whole crew of people who are the young stars and a lot of them are becoming young and established stars on TV too, whether it's MJF, Britt Baker, Sammy Guevara, Jungle Boy, and so many others, Darby Allin, in particular, just stars I'm committed to to keeping in AEW and not losing and building around.

When Eric says 'focus on the wrestling,' I am focused on the wrestling and pushing these people and not running them out of the company like Chris Jericho couldn't get out of WCW fast enough and Eddie Guerrero was put in his place and the wrestlers were told by their boss that there is only three guys in the company, when Eric said that [Hulk] Hogan, [Randy] Savage, and [Roddy] Piper were the only three guys that had ever drawn money. Of course, a slap in the face to a few other people in the room, but what does that say to the morale of the young wrestlers who are busting their asses every week. It just doesn't make sense. I am happy and grateful to not go off like that every week and really only when there's a call for it and when there's competition brought to our doorstep and we have to respond. I'm just really grateful for the fans for their support and there's nothing to talk about now because we did what we had to do last weekend and now we can enjoy it and also look forward to great cards this weekend."

Damn, shots fired.

[Mazer]

If Tony Kahn spends a lot of time on Eric, Eric has already won.

[Nash Diesel]

Eric Bischoff is the reason why guys like Chris Jericho and Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit and countless others that the WWE wanted ZERO to do with were even able to reach that level of greatness. Without the WCW platform, where were they going to get over? ECW? lol. Japan? I'm sure Vince would've had Jericho unify the WCW and WWF world titles after a JHW run in New Japan......

Tony Khan, get some new material.

Bischoff was a fucking goon but he lead a team that did some magical shit. When you guys watch AEW, that style, that's because of WCW. Shit, if you weren't smart, you'd think you were watching Nitro lol.

[Badger]

Double-edged sword really. Very true that WCW gave them their start and got their name out there but at the same time they had no idea/couldn’t be arsed to sustain them.

[Mazer]

WCW had some great moments and great runs. They also showed that its harder to sustain than create initial buzz.


People get mad every time WWE cuts people. There's downside to backlog of talent as well.

[Badger]

Exactly. For example Jericho, if they actually got a proper Jericho/Goldberg match and made him a proper threat, chances are Jericho could’ve stayed but instead they made him a stepping stone without that proper match. Zero self-awareness how hot that would have been.

[VHS]

Tony on Busted Open

"For Eric Bischoff, of all people, the guy who got lowered down on a motorcycle from the ceiling, the guy who challenged Vince McMahon to fight him, to say that somebody should stay quiet is laughable.

Eric is doing an act. I respect it, but let's be serious, Eric used to be a wrestling company executive and now he is a commentator and as a commentator, he's trying to stir up controversy, but I think it would be pretty naive of anybody to look at this and not examine that the person talking is Eric Bischoff, who is the most out-spoken wrestling executive of all-time and somebody who got a lot of heat, but somebody also who, look, if we're going to be honest, the things I'm trying to do in terms of balancing these great stars we have like CM Punk, Chris Jericho, and Bryan Danielson and people who come in with years of experience and they've got lots of time on television as big TV wrestling stars and then we have the people who have emerged hear and become TV wrestling stars in AEW like Kenny Omega and Hangman Page and the Young Bucks and we also have a whole crew of people who are the young stars and a lot of them are becoming young and established stars on TV too, whether it's MJF, Britt Baker, Sammy Guevara, Jungle Boy, and so many others, Darby Allin, in particular, just stars I'm committed to to keeping in AEW and not losing and building around.

When Eric says 'focus on the wrestling,' I am focused on the wrestling and pushing these people and not running them out of the company like Chris Jericho couldn't get out of WCW fast enough and Eddie Guerrero was put in his place and the wrestlers were told by their boss that there is only three guys in the company, when Eric said that [Hulk] Hogan, [Randy] Savage, and [Roddy] Piper were the only three guys that had ever drawn money. Of course, a slap in the face to a few other people in the room, but what does that say to the morale of the young wrestlers who are busting their asses every week. It just doesn't make sense. I am happy and grateful to not go off like that every week and really only when there's a call for it and when there's competition brought to our doorstep and we have to respond. I'm just really grateful for the fans for their support and there's nothing to talk about now because we did what we had to do last weekend and now we can enjoy it and also look forward to great cards this weekend."

Damn, shots fired.

Sheesh, Tony needs to learn how to stay subdued because he really comes off as the loud kid in the room. I'd be excited too if I was in his shoes now that AEW is on the biggest wave wrestling has seen in years, but there's more benefit in not being bitter about ancient history. Eric knows more than Tony. Tony should listen. He can disagree, but he should still listen.

[Bert]

How is he bitter for calling out what happened?

Tony's the best.

LFG!

[Nash Diesel]

Double-edged sword really. Very true that WCW gave them their start and got their name out there but at the same time they had no idea/couldn’t be arsed to sustain them.

It's clear that at the time when WCW was killing it, those wrestlers were not over enough or ready for those top spots. And when WCW did start putting more emphasis on the likes of Guerrero, Benoit, Booker T, Jericho, say mid-late 1998 into 1999, guess what started happening? WWF were just that much better. Bischoff was barely in charge the last 2+ years that company existed and when he was in charge---why would he put Chris Jericho in say 1997 with Sting? Benoit wasn't in a position to replace Ric Flair. And again, when they did start taking those spots it wasn't working.

Which is probably why Vince never put everything behind these guys. Jericho, Benoit, Guerrero, up and down, up and down. Guerrero won the title then asked to lose it since the ratings were going down with him as World champion. It's easy to look back and say "Well, look at this shit!" But when they were ready in WCW, the show wasn't that great. Idk if I can blame Bischoff anymore than I can blame Vince for not wanting them in the first place.

[VHS]

How is he bitter for calling out what happened?

Tony's the best.

LFG!

Ehh, he sounds pretty bitter to me. :dunno:

[Nash Diesel]

Of course he's bitter. He thought he paid off Bischoff.

I'm just sad that his comebacks were the same tired, played out "insults" directed toward Bischoff that don't even make sense. I hate when people use Chris Jericho as some example of "the one that got away!" The guy had no intention on staying WCW forever. He wanted to be in WWF since day one. They just never gave a shit about him. Russo was the only one who wanted him, bcuz he was doing Attitude style shit on Nitro.

[Morrison]

Ehh, he sounds pretty bitter to me. :dunno:

lol what the hell does he have to be bitter about?

[Horatio]

Tony sounds like he's having the time of his life. More power to him; his star shines brightly. And although not everyone likes a star, it can't be easy to go up against McMahon and fail, much less win.

[Hero!]

AEW has killed their relationship with Komen and will be working with BCRF instead!! This is awesome! An actual good charity. Glad that they listened to backlash and dumped Komen quickly.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCQSndTWQAIBo5V?format=jpg&name=large

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/6V7eTx7btsc

[Nash Diesel]

lol what the hell does he have to be bitter about?

That unlike you and a couple others not everyone is sucking his dick whenever he does something.

He's bitter that he thought Bischoff was his bro thanks to the money he gave him for a couple minutes of Eric's time and it's not the case.