All Elite Wrestling

[Nash Diesel]

Nope.

Before the Network was dumped into Peacock, I was trying to rewatch Nitro and Raw from the beginning of Raw, and then watch ECW for the first time. The switch to Peacock put a wrench in that since I lost momentum without being able to access all of it from the jump and eventually stopped giving so much of a shit about wrestling.

In the thick of 1996, ECW was telling the most interesting stories at the time, WCW had probably the best actual wrestling on their shows, and WWF were absolute shit. WCW may not have had the most compelling storylines going on all the time, but there were stories being told. They had the NWO, and while there were times that matches would occur without real storyline behind them, it fed into the NWO which **was** a storyline that fans paid attention to.

The matches were mostly cold matches. They had angles throughout the show with certain people yes, but when you turned on Nitro and it was Jerry Flynn v. Chris Jericho, then Harlem Heat v. Public Enemy, maybe Juventud v. Super Calo for the CW title despite Calo never winning a match. The main event was usually nWo guy v. top WCW guy fighting the nWo (Hall v. Luger, DDP v. Buff, etc).

WCW had a bloated roster. Very few people outside the nWo storyline had much going on.

[WizoOzz]

The matches were mostly cold matches. They had angles throughout the show with certain people yes, but when you turned on Nitro and it was Jerry Flynn v. Chris Jericho, then Harlem Heat v. Public Enemy, maybe Juventud v. Super Calo for the CW title despite Calo never winning a match. The main event was usually nWo guy v. top WCW guy fighting the nWo (Hall v. Luger, DDP v. Buff, etc).

WCW had a bloated roster. Very few people outside the nWo storyline had much going on.

Again, not true. WCW had at least two other shows on TBS which fed into whatever went on on Nitro. Saturday Night on, well Saturday Night, and Main Event on Sundays. Not to mention syndicated shows like WCW Worldwide. *YOU* may not have seen them as anything other than cold matches, but there were for sure stories going on on those other shows which led to a match on Nitro.

ETA: Bloated roster? Sure. I'll give you that. WCW was owned by a media conglomerate. They had the money to have a bloated roster.

[Nash Diesel]

Again, not true. WCW had at least two other shows on TBS which fed into whatever went on on Nitro. Saturday Night on, well Saturday Night, and Main Event on Sundays. Not to mention syndicated shows like WCW Worldwide. *YOU* may not have seen them as anything other than cold matches, but there were for sure stories going on on those other shows which led to a match on Nitro.

ETA: Bloated roster? Sure. I'll give you that. WCW was owned by a media conglomerate. They had the money to have a bloated roster.

I disagree. To YOU there might have been some connection to why Jerry Flynn and Chris Jericho had a random match that went nowhere on Nitro but I didn't see it that way.

And yes, they like AEW had the bankroll to have a bloated roster. That lead to what, 2 years of somewhat good television and then what? Where is WCW now? They had too many wrestlers and the show suffered. I 100% have always felt WCW had the edge in overall wrestling up until Benoit and those guys left. After that, WWF was the shit and late 1999/early-mid 2000 saw WWF get the highest ratings during the 90's/Attitude Era IIRC.

[WizoOzz]

I disagree. To YOU there might have been some connection to why Jerry Flynn and Chris Jericho had a random match that went nowhere on Nitro but I didn't see it that way.

If there were story elements told on one show building to a Jerry Flynn/Chris Jericho match on another, you would. Not making a proclamation here that Jerry Flynn and Chris Jericho had a build up on Main Event leading to a match on Nitro, but there were for sure wrestlers who had storylines from Saturday Night lead to things happening on Nitro.


And yes, they like AEW had the bankroll to have a bloated roster. That lead to what, 2 years of somewhat good television and then what? Where is WCW now? They had too many wrestlers and the show suffered. I 100% have always felt WCW had the edge in overall wrestling up until Benoit and those guys left. After that, WWF was the shit and late 1999/early-mid 2000 saw WWF get the highest ratings during the 90's/Attitude Era IIRC.

WCW's shows suffered for many reasons. Bloated roster wasn't the prime suspect. Also, if you think that WCW only had 2 years of good television, that's sad. Because there's a lot more to WCW than just NWO that's worth watching, going as far back as the pre-Turner buyout/Jim Crockett Promotion days of Mid-Atlantic.

WWE isn't exactly starving for revenue. They could keep whomever and do whatever they want with them or not and just pay them a downside. They're quite possibly the most profitable they've ever been in spite of possibly the most criticism they've gotten from their fans and with what would appear to be some of the worst ratings trends they've ever had **and** a goddamned pandemic that literally kept audiences away. It's as possible that they're attempting another shift of vision to the company as it is that they're prepping for sale. Vince is old. He absolutely could be looking to sell to Disney or Comcast or Fox. At the end of the day, business is about money and how to make it. Vince has proven that in spite of himself, he can make money. I don't believe Vince is necessarily looking to sell right this minute, but it sure as hell looks as if he's looking to eventually sell this thing off, because there's a time where he's not going to be around to steer that ship - successfully or unsuccessfully. His dad sold the business to him. He's going to have to sell it to someone eventually too.

I don't know what AEW's financials look like, or how that's set up. But those Khans seem to also have a bottomless pit of cash. The Khans seem to at least have the one thing that Vince and the WWE don't at the moment. Momentum with the fanbase.

[Nash Diesel]

If there were story elements told on one show building to a Jerry Flynn/Chris Jericho match on another, you would. Not making a proclamation here that Jerry Flynn and Chris Jericho had a build up on Main Event leading to a match on Nitro, but there were for sure wrestlers who had storylines from Saturday Night lead to things happening on Nitro.



WCW's shows suffered for many reasons. Bloated roster wasn't the prime suspect. Also, if you think that WCW only had 2 years of good television, that's sad. Because there's a lot more to WCW than just NWO that's worth watching, going as far back as the pre-Turner buyout/Jim Crockett Promotion days of Mid-Atlantic.

WWE isn't exactly starving for revenue. They could keep whomever and do whatever they want with them or not and just pay them a downside. They're quite possibly the most profitable they've ever been in spite of possibly the most criticism they've gotten from their fans and with what would appear to be some of the worst ratings trends they've ever had **and** a goddamned pandemic that literally kept audiences away. It's as possible that they're attempting another shift of vision to the company as it is that they're prepping for sale. Vince is old. He absolutely could be looking to sell to Disney or Comcast or Fox. At the end of the day, business is about money and how to make it. Vince has proven that in spite of himself, he can make money. I don't believe Vince is necessarily looking to sell right this minute, but it sure as hell looks as if he's looking to eventually sell this thing off, because there's a time where he's not going to be around to steer that ship - successfully or unsuccessfully. His dad sold the business to him. He's going to have to sell it to someone eventually too.

I don't know what AEW's financials look like, or how that's set up. But those Khans seem to also have a bottomless pit of cash. The Khans seem to at least have the one thing that Vince and the WWE don't at the moment. Momentum with the fanbase.

Again, I'm not saying Nitro didn't have storylines. I'm saying most of the matches on their shows were cold with nothing to them. That's just how I viewed. I'm rewatching early 1999 Nitro right now to understand the point of the Fingerpoke of Doom booking. Not too many matches with a purpose on the show.

There are many reasons why WCW failed. And I will agree that pre-Nitro WCW had a few good moments especially before it became Hogan and Friends and obviously the NWA days were really good. WCW itself didn't do very well, they were losing money until I believe late 1996 early 1997 as it was and ratings were not very good for any of their shows. That's just a totally different story that doesn't need told in this thread again.

[WizoOzz]

Again, I'm not saying Nitro didn't have storylines. I'm saying most of the matches on their shows were cold with nothing to them. That's just how I viewed. I'm rewatching early 1999 Nitro right now to understand the point of the Fingerpoke of Doom booking. Not too many matches with a purpose on the show.

Not how I read the part that I literally quoted in the first post I made addressing the topic where you said it was "like one match" that had a storyline going into it "whatsoever." Further, to go with your example in 1999 lies outside of your range of 1996-1997 that you gave earlier. Or I'm nitpicking. Whichever.

[Bert]

It's fun to watch other people argue with Nash where he makes things up that he wishes were true and pretends they're facts or consistently moves the goal posts about what the discussion was pertaining to. How about those TNA ratings lol


https://youtu.be/bEvp5bBVZ8Y

CM Punk was pretty good on Heels. People should watch that show so it doesn't get canceled.

[Nash Diesel]

Not how I read the part that I literally quoted in the first post I made addressing the topic where you said it was "like one match" that had a storyline going into it "whatsoever." Further, to go with your example in 1999 lies outside of your range of 1996-1997 that you gave earlier. Or I'm nitpicking. Whichever.

It was like one match that had an actual storyline attached to it. The show had angles throughout the night but the matches were cold. You'd have a segment in the ring with Piper and Hogan, and then a match that meant nothing for the CW title.

My bad I'll try and stick to the years of Nitro I was referring to. Just so we're clear, we're not going to include Crockett-era WCW unless you meant the tv show they used to have called World Championship Wrestling but IDK if that was Crockett. Either way, whatever works for you Wizz. However you want to argue your point.

[WizoOzz]

It was like one match that had an actual storyline attached to it. The show had angles throughout the night but the matches were cold. You'd have a segment in the ring with Piper and Hogan, and then a match that meant nothing for the CW title.

Christ almighty you're still trying to do this. Give me a random Monday in 1996-1997, and I'll watch the Nitro, and take a look at a recap of the Saturday Night or see if I can't track it down somehow and tell you any storylines that bled over.


My bad I'll try and stick to the years of Nitro I was referring to. Just so we're clear, we're not going to include Crockett-era WCW unless you meant the tv show they used to have called World Championship Wrestling but IDK if that was Crockett. Either way, whatever works for you Wizz. However you want to argue your point.

From 1988 to 2001. Seems to me there's got to be more than two years worth of television that are good out of 13 years. You're talking Vader's monstrous reign as champion and Ron Simmons' win. Sting continuously taking up Ric Flair's offers at being a Horseman only to be beaten down every time. Dangerous Alliance stuff. Peak Steiners in the tag division. There's plenty to like about WCW that isn't just Monday Night Wars shit.

[Nash Diesel]

Christ almighty you're still trying to do this. Give me a random Monday in 1996-1997, and I'll watch the Nitro, and take a look at a recap of the Saturday Night or see if I can't track it down somehow and tell you any storylines that bled over.



From 1988 to 2001. Seems to me there's got to be more than two years worth of television that are good out of 13 years. You're talking Vader's monstrous reign as champion and Ron Simmons' win. Sting continuously taking up Ric Flair's offers at being a Horseman only to be beaten down every time. Dangerous Alliance stuff. Peak Steiners in the tag division. There's plenty to like about WCW that isn't just Monday Night Wars shit.

That could be fun. Ok. August 26th, 1996. Let me know how many of those matches that happened were part of an actual storyline. This was a show I just watched not too long ago because someone told me that Flair/Anderson v. Rock N Roll Express happened on this episode. Totally forgot about it.

Ok that's on me. When I said WCW I wasn't including the NWA. I even went into talking specifically about Nitro. So yes, you're right if we're going back to the late 80's early 90's before it was WCW, before Nitro. A few spurts here and there from 1992-1996 but nothing I was super into.

I apologize for bringing WCW into this discussion as you are without a shadow of a doubt the most knowledgeable on what feuds were going on during 1996-1997 such as The Giant v. Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

[WizoOzz]

That could be fun. Ok. August 26th, 1996. Let me know how many of those matches that happened were part of an actual storyline. This was a show I just watched not too long ago because someone told me that Flair/Anderson v. Rock N Roll Express happened on this episode. Totally forgot about it.

Ok that's on me. When I said WCW I wasn't including the NWA. I even went into talking specifically about Nitro. So yes, you're right if we're going back to the late 80's early 90's before it was WCW, before Nitro. A few spurts here and there from 1992-1996 but nothing I was super into.

I apologize for bringing WCW into this discussion as you are without a shadow of a doubt the most knowledgeable on what feuds were going on during 1996-1997 such as The Giant v. Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

I was into 1996 when I stopped my rewatch because of Nitro not being available on Peacock during the WWE Network move. I'm not proclaiming to be be the arbiter of WCW knowledge in the known universe. Further, JCP bled directly over into WCW . . . it's the territory Turner purchased to create WCW. It's essentially the same lineage. But 1988 is when the purchase happened. So, you too wanna nitpick, I'm good either way.

[Nash Diesel]

I was into 1996 when I stopped my rewatch because of Nitro not being available on Peacock during the WWE Network move. I'm not proclaiming to be be the arbiter of WCW knowledge in the known universe. Further, JCP bled directly over into WCW . . . it's the territory Turner purchased to create WCW. It's essentially the same lineage. But 1988 is when the purchase happened. So, you too wanna nitpick, I'm good either way.

I wasn't nitpicking I was simply fleshing out my point because I didn't realize my response to Donald was going to turn in to a debate with the person I learned my long posting style from firsthand. You are straight up nitpicking everything lol. This is why you don't get pussy.

This is going to be like when we used to go back and forth about TNA. Creative or promoting, which one did TNA lack the most? They even made us do a Wilfred's to decide once and for all lol.

So that's cool man you were into 1996 when you stopped your rewatch. So you should be able to spit off the top of your head the storyline for why The Giant wrestled Duggan or how Mr JL earned a CW title shot that night. I'm sure it bled into Saturday night.

[WizoOzz]

I wasn't nitpicking I was simply fleshing out my point because I didn't realize my response to Donald was going to turn in to a debate with the person I learned my long posting style from firsthand. You are straight up nitpicking everything lol. This is why you don't get pussy.

This is going to be like when we used to go back and forth about TNA. Creative or promoting, which one did TNA lack the most? They even made us do a Wilfred's to decide once and for all lol.

So that's cool man you were into 1996 when you stopped your rewatch. So you should be able to spit off the top of your head the storyline for why The Giant wrestled Duggan or how Mr JL earned a CW title shot that night. I'm sure it bled into Saturday night.

An asset to the Boards as always, ND.

Your argument style never changes. Someone pops your point away and you gaslight and deflect with shit that isn't even on the merits.

Some things never change.

[Bert]

Rampage dropped a lot from the Punk episode. Not a huge surprise. 722k, the debut episode did 740k. I think being live helps numbers and so does having a better card.

[Nash Diesel]

An asset to the Boards as always, ND.

Your argument style never changes. Someone pops your point away and you gaslight and deflect with shit that isn't even on the merits.

Some things never change.

I appreciate you and your once every 2 years commentary about things I actually enjoy.

You didn't pop my point away at all lol. Not even in the slightest. I'll be anxiously awaiting your break down of the August 26th 1996 Nitro and what feuds those matches represented. I just don't remember the CW title feud with Mr JL.

I apologize for offending you with what I said to WCW as it pertains to when they had a bloated roster that affected their shows. Now, you don't have to agree, you even said "TO YOU they might have been cold matches", maybe that's all it was. But what you speak are facts, I forgot, you're a fucking Wizzard.

[PurePlayer]

Rampage dropped a lot from the Punk episode. Not a huge surprise. 722k, the debut episode did 740k. I think being live helps numbers and so does having a better card.

Friday at 10pm with Brandon Cutler in the main event along with the Bunny vs Tai Conti doesn't sound appealing. Dynamite is the number 2 show and that's fine. I don't expect them to be at 1 million every week. I think their numbers can beat NXT though.

[Nash Diesel]

Friday at 10pm with Brandon Cutler in the main event along with the Bunny vs Tai Conti doesn't sound appealing. Dynamite is the number 2 show and that's fine. I don't expect them to be at 1 million every week. I think their numbers can beat NXT though.

So far every Rampage has had that 1 cool segment/match and then everything else was either weak or average. Omega v. Christian=awesome, CM Punk back from the dead=incredible, CM Punk just being there=tremendous.

Dynamite was kind of lackluster for me. I'll be honest, right now in AEW, I don't really think anything is even in the same universe as CM Punk. It could be Punk v. one of those Dork Order jobbers and that would be the most intriguing part of AEW by lightyears. But the number was good for AEW. 1.1 I believe?

I don't think we can use the timeslot as an excuse. 722k, that's not terrible for AEW. That's not really any different than Dynamite had been consistently doing for a long time. Is Wednesday, which always seemed to be treated like the worst night of the work week (church possibly??), really any better than Friday @ 10pm? 9pm here in IA. I mean, I get that we like to pretend we're just so fucking busy and have these entertaining lives where we can't fit wrestling in on a Friday....but come on, of course it'll get better ratings than fucking NXT.

CM PUNK on his own should be able to draw 500,000 viewers, how can NXT realistically compete with the name value AEW has had since the jump? Samoa Joe v. CM Punk was legendary, but Joe isn't the name that Punk is. Joe chose to go to TNA for creative freedom, Punk chose to go to WWE to cry about it like the typical poser punk he is. "Chick Magnet" was under oath by the way. Under oath. No real punk calls themselves a chick magnet. Dude probably had Rancid and a bunch of fuckin Counting Crows shit lol

[Bert]

Rampage is still #1 on cable in the 18-49 demo. TNT seems happy.

https://i.imgur.com/kYLd4kQ.jpg
I was hoping this would be on AEW TV but it's cool that it's happening.

Shida was working kind of heelish on Dark Elevation. That could be interesting.

I like Fuego and Sammy as a tag team. I was hoping this was the announcement that was actually Sammy getting engaged. I feel like Sammy brings Fuego up rather than Fuego bringing Sammy down.

[BGMaverick]

Rampage dropped a lot from the Punk episode. Not a huge surprise. 722k, the debut episode did 740k. I think being live helps numbers and so does having a better card.

The 722k number doesn't really seem bad in the grand scheme. Would clearly love to have a better number but certainly not worth scoffing at 722k (know you weren't, just saying). The problem this week with the slate of programming was that it just felt like everything was subdued or more on the filler side.

[Bert]

https://twitter.com/realrubysoho/status/1432555205422366730?s=19

New Ruby Soho video and I would imagine the last one.

The last frame says Destination: _ _ _ _ _ _ _

[Donald]

I'd be interested to see the ratings of episodes where a debut happened vs. a non-debut episodes. I know the first episode had Jake Hager's debut, so it makes sense it got such a high number, but what about debuts with Sting, Malachi Black, Andrade, Big Show, etc?

[Morrison]

sting, black and andrade were all surprise debuts. nobody knew to tune in to see them. big show was announced ahead of time as having signed with the company.

[Nash Diesel]

I see what you're saying Don. I remember an article about how after Sting's surprise debut supposedly TNT wasn't a fan of AEW not promoting it. Probably just rumor because it also said TNT didn't want anymore surprise debuts yet we had Black and Andrade, and technically CM Punk wasn't advertised but we all knew going in he was showing up which is why the number was so high on Rampage.

I'll be honest, I don't think advertising any of those names would've done much. I don't see Dynamite getting an extra 4-500,000 viewers for someone like Black or Andrade if it was promoted the week prior.

[Hero!]

https://youtu.be/p40Zbct_D-s

[Tyson]

https://twitter.com/realrubysoho/status/1432555205422366730?s=19

New Ruby Soho video and I would imagine the last one.

The last frame says Destination: _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Pretty pumped to see where she lands, feel that she was very unappreciated by the suits in Stamford.

[mth]

Ruby was easily one of the most underrated women in WWE history in my opinion so I hope she gets a chance to excel wherever she ends up. If it's AEW, they'll continue to be getting more of my attention.

[Nash Diesel]

They need Ruby in AEW badly. She's average in the ring, but Britt Baker looks like prime Kurt Angle compared to the majority of that division. If we can get Britt v. Ruby I think it'll be very good. Ruby v. Thunder Rosa is another match that will be good.

[Mazer]

Where would Brie Bella rank within the current division? Kidding. Kind of

Catching up on AEw for the last 3 weeks (first time since early winter), I've enjoyed alot of what I've seen. But nothing in the woman's division has really grabbed my attention.

[Nash Diesel]

Where would Brie Bella rank within the current division? Kidding. Kind of

Catching up on AEw for the last 3 weeks (first time since early winter), I've enjoyed alot of what I've seen. But nothing in the woman's division has really grabbed my attention.

Red Velvet makes Brie Bella look like Daniel Bryan.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Headed to Dynamite tonight. Gonna be going to Rampage on Friday, too, with a badass hardcore show in between. Should be a blast.

[Tainted Eclipse]

one thing i think AEW dropped the ball on last week was building up darby allin. they should make a badass video package of all his awesome moments in AEW to sell him the new viewers as punk's opponent. i hope they do something to spice up the punk/darby build tonight.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Yeah, I think the video package thing they did for Punk/Darby on Rampage was lacking. Here's hoping for something cool tonight.

[Morrison]

fucking loved that whole punk segment.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i think this is definitely the best go home dynamite yet. shows before the PPV have always struck me as weakness for AEW before.

[Hero!]

That whole qt/bs/Gunn club segment was a mess. Wtf was any of that?

[JuveLeo]

Jamie Hayter is a smokin!

[Tainted Eclipse]

That whole qt/bs/Gunn club segment was a mess. Wtf was any of that?

yeah but the crowd WAS really into it

[Donald]

fucking loved that whole punk segment.

Sounded pretty cool, looking forward to checking out the YouTube clip tomorrow

[Nash Diesel]

yeah but the crowd WAS really into it

Name a segment the crowd WASN'T into?

The Live show AEW fans and non-contracted WWE talent all act like starving dolphins at Sea World and Tony Khan has all the fish. It's like some fan is hoping they'll be asked to dress up as Scooby Doo and drop Kenny Omega with a Diamond Cutter. Tony has the loot but I know from personal experience that he doesn't pay these people.

Don't get offended people but it's like watching fans at a Justin Bieber concert. Is everything really that dope? For fuck's sake. I was watching Dynamite last week and Marko Stunt hopped up on the ring apron and bounced on the ropes and the crowd went bananas. Oh but he's the most hated guy in the company, right? Not when you're there apparently lol.

[Nash Diesel]

Seriously who was sitting there saying "Let's have CM Punk get his ass kicked by 3 complete jobbers!!" Terrible. Punk looks like Michael J Fox.

[BGMaverick]

Not really sure what I was expecting, but I was a little surprised AEW didn’t make it more of a bigger deal that this was their 100th episode.

Kind of an interesting use of finishing a match during PiP. Honestly, it made sense because the match was serving the purpose of the stuff after the match so skimming ahead through PiP made it more effective.

Thought MJF and Jericho really nailed it with their promos.

Fun opening and closing tag matches.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Last night was a really fun show to be there live for. That said, the closing segment was actually pretty awkward live. I think the crowd was expecting some kind of surprise save or something, and the beatdown seemed like it dragged, so the crowd was mostly dead. Not sure how it came across on TV or exactly how much was on the air. The crowd did find Kenny's antics amusing at least, but eh

Being there live for FTR/Santana & Ortiz was really awesome. Easily match of the night. Also really dug the Punk/Darby segment.

Was Sting's promo televised or was that a commercial break thing?

[BGMaverick]

Last night was a really fun show to be there live for. That said, the closing segment was actually pretty awkward live. I think the crowd was expecting some kind of surprise save or something, and the beatdown seemed like it dragged, so the crowd was mostly dead. Not sure how it came across on TV or exactly how much was on the air. The crowd did find Kenny's antics amusing at least, but eh

Was Sting's promo televised or was that a commercial break thing?

The end was a little clunky/dragged out on TV.

Sting's stuff was on TV.

[Psycho666Soldier]

More important question: did the "Eat his ass" chant make it to TV?

[Nash Diesel]

PAC v. Andrade pulled from the ppv due to travel issues on PAC's end. Andrade v. Jungle Boy????

[Psycho666Soldier]

PAC v. Andrade pulled from the ppv due to travel issues on PAC's end. Andrade v. Jungle Boy????

I was wondering why they didn't mention that match during the card rundown. I'd be down for that replacement :hyper:

[Nash Diesel]

I was wondering why they didn't mention that match during the card rundown. I'd be down for that replacement :hyper:

It was the wrestling match I was looking forward to the most. Punk v. Darby is the match in general I'm wanting to see the most but I felt like PAC v. Andrade was going to tear the house down.

I just figure since Jungle Boy doesn't have a match why not?

[BGMaverick]

I was wondering why they didn't mention that match during the card rundown. I'd be down for that replacement :hyper:

Andrade/PAC is happening on a future Rampage.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Last night was a really fun show to be there live for. That said, the closing segment was actually pretty awkward live. I think the crowd was expecting some kind of surprise save or something, and the beatdown seemed like it dragged, so the crowd was mostly dead. Not sure how it came across on TV or exactly how much was on the air. The crowd did find Kenny's antics amusing at least, but eh

Being there live for FTR/Santana & Ortiz was really awesome. Easily match of the night. Also really dug the Punk/Darby segment.

Was Sting's promo televised or was that a commercial break thing?

Yeah the ending segment was bad. Nothing wrong with having the heels get heat and beat down the faces before the ppv but the dramatic timing was awful. Have Kenny and the bucks hit everyone in the head with the kendo sticks and then go off the air while their music is playing, they’re posing, and the commentary is yelling about the baby faces wanting revenge at the ppv. Instead of fading the black while Kenny is wandering around the ring mumbling incoherently lol

[Psycho666Soldier]

All of that. The idea behind the segment was smart. The execution and timing just missed the mark.

I dipped out for the dark match main event(Mox/Darby/Kingston vs. someone), but I'm sure that was a much more satisfying end for those who stayed.

[MTR]

It was the wrestling match I was looking forward to the most. Punk v. Darby is the match in general I'm wanting to see the most but I felt like PAC v. Andrade was going to tear the house down.

I just figure since Jungle Boy doesn't have a match why not?

Jungle Boy has a match. They announced and added a ten man tag for the buy in. Jurassic Express, Orange, Taylor, Yuta vs Hardy, Private Party, TH2

That being said I love the idea of a Andrade/Jungle Boy match. Needs to happen.

[MTR]

Ugh. I really want to see this ppv but $50 not in the budget right now. :( Between tickets for last weekend to see NWA Empower and new laptop and trying to stash money back for ticket to Full Gear just not going to happen. Maybe my daughter who has like no bills except her car payment and student loan can pay for it. :chin:

[Nash Diesel]

Jungle Boy has a match. They announced and added a ten man tag for the buy in. Jurassic Express, Orange, Taylor, Yuta vs Hardy, Private Party, TH2

That being said I love the idea of a Andrade/Jungle Boy match. Needs to happen.

Yeah I had only seen a little bit of Dynamite as I was trying to fix a broken shower while it was on so I missed that part. What a weird match to put on the buy in.

What about Andrade v. Archer? I'm not big on Archer, but I think you need to have Andrade against someone worth a damn.

And why isn't Black on this ppv?? I know they're trying their best to make him a heel, and failing miserably considering the crowd hates everyone he's kicked the shit out of including Arn. But THANK GOD Big Show v. QT Marshall is on the card. Man, to think Big Show left the WWE bitching about how he didn't want to work with nobodies from NXT and here is working with a straight up fuckin nobody.

[MTR]

I think they added it to just keep the whole Hardy group vs Orange and his friends thing going. They moved the Women's Casino Battle Royal to the main card after adding this match.

I would be okay with Archer vs Andrade.

Not sure why Black is not on the show. I like QT. I mean that being said not exactly excited about him vs Wight but I do like QT.

[Nash Diesel]

I think they added it to just keep the whole Hardy group vs Orange and his friends thing going. They moved the Women's Casino Battle Royal to the main card after adding this match.

I would be okay with Archer vs Andrade.

Not sure why Black is not on the show. I like QT. I mean that being said not exactly excited about him vs Wight but I do like QT.

I have literally hated QT since Ring of Honor. I hate his fucking name, it makes me vomit in my mouth. A 40 year old man calling himself "Cutie Marshall". I will say this, he would be more tolerable somewhere like HWA back in the late 90's or even OVW but you'd never see that version get drafted to the main roster.

He would've been the guy they draft and put the Eugene gimmick on him or something. And whatever happened to the boxer they had?

[MTR]

Yeah I don't think QT is like a superstar or anything but I do kind of like him. Not sure what happened to the boxer. He just kind of disappeared. Maybe I missed something since I don't watch all the youtube shows. Not enough hours in the week to watch all the wrestling I want to watch. That and my wife would shoot me.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm really trying to pump myself up for Moxley v. Kojima. Moxley isn't very good, I love the guy but as a wrestler, very mediocre. Kojima is not the same Kojima that carried both Triple Crown and IWGP titles years ago. I didn't even know he wrestled a little bit recently for Impact for fuck's sake. Why??

It just feels like if we could get Kojima from 10-15 years ago v. DEAN AMBROSE when he was WWE champ on Smackdown, that would've been killer. Now it's just kind of, meh. Mox looks so lazy these days. He looks like he's pilled out/drunk lol.

[Badger]

MJF “Vegan Cassidy is All Elite” FB photo! :rofl:

[Badger]

Also totally agreed on the last segment. Bringing the cage down with Omega stealing the keys was brilliant but they overextended themselves with the face beatdown and should have ended it with the heels posing. Maybe there was a production or timing miscue and they had to cut it down there and then.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Rampage tonight. Stoked to see Black wrestle again. Haven't seen him live since he destroyed Lars' jaw

[Hero!]

I won’t stand for this fucking QT Marshall slander.

[Badger]

Billy Gunn chairshotting Big Show’s hip was the one time I paid attention to him since he showed up. That was good.

[Hero!]

All Out will be available on Fite in the US!

[Bert]

All Out will be available on Fite in the US!

Is it $50 still? I already bought it with my VPN a few days ago so it just shows purchased but I won't need to use the VPN to watch it now, so that's pretty cool.

I'm kind of surprised by how much offense Lee Johnson is getting in.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i loved darby vs. garcia. one of my favorite matches in a while.

[Bert]

These countdowns are always good. I love all of these produced packages. They're so well done.

[Hero!]

Yeah this thing is cool.

really good episode of Rampage tonight too. Punk’s return a few weeks ago aside, this was probably the best episode start to finish.

[Bert]

There's a different energy when it's live and of course being in Chicago adds to that also.

[BGMaverick]

On Countdown during the Punk/Allin portion, was TK on another planet or something during that B-Roll slow-mo shot (https://twitter.com/tde_gif/status/1433991036272054273) or what? Lol

[Badger]

Omega did steal his cage keys somehow during their talk so always possible! :lol:

[Bert]

On Countdown during the Punk/Allin portion, was TK on another planet or something during that B-Roll slow-mo shot (https://twitter.com/tde_gif/status/1433991036272054273) or what? Lol

Dudes a mark, but I love it.

So, if Adam Cole is coming in I'm thinking maybe he's under the ring during the cage match and helps the Bucks retain. If that's not the case then I hope Lucha Bros win honestly. A lot of people seem to think Proud n Powerful win the belts at Grand Slam and I love those guys but Lucha Bros are also over as fuck and Fenix bends gravity to his will on a nightly basis.

I really have no clue what you do with Bryan Danielson. The only thing I've been thinking is maybe Omega wins and is beating up Christian and Bryan comes out to make the save. It would be similar to Christian saving Jungle Boy from a beat down before and he didn't immediately enter into a title program with Omega so I don't think Bryan would need to either. It would just show that yeah, he's with AEW now.

[Bert]

https://twitter.com/MisterJ831/status/1433991768228433920?t=kAmEr9UrLElv6iBqPQleRg&s=19

Love it. I was hoping Caster would do this.

[virms]

i loved darby vs. garcia. one of my favorite matches in a while.

My first Darby match and I was impressed. Nit with just him but Garica as well. I figured it was just going to be a straight up showcase match for Darby but it was well contested.

Now the fact Punk looks like a giant beast next to Darby did make me lol.

[Hero!]

My first Darby match and I was impressed. Nit with just him but Garica as well. I figured it was just going to be a straight up showcase match for Darby but it was well contested.

Now the fact Punk looks like a giant beast next to Darby did make me lol.

the coolest thing about this is that Garcia hasn’t even worked at AEW but a month. Dude came out of nowhere and just made a presence. I love it.

im probably one of the most plugged into the indies guys on this board and I had barely even heard of Garcia, much less seen him wrestle. He’s very much impressed me in his short AEW run so far. Pairing him with the overwhelming charisma of 2point0 was a good call too.

[Hero!]

Punk is on Oral Sessions today btw. Says his dream tag match is him and American Dragon vs Young Bucks

[Tainted Eclipse]

My first Darby match and I was impressed. Nit with just him but Garica as well. I figured it was just going to be a straight up showcase match for Darby but it was well contested.

Now the fact Punk looks like a giant beast next to Darby did make me lol.

this was really the first darby allin match you've watched? he's my pick for best wrestler in the world right now. his january match with cage is my moty so far: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7yrhfd

[Hero!]

So on a special We’re Live Pal featuring Bryan and Dave, Andrew Zarian says that he’s heard there will be a big debut tomorrow besides Danielson and Ruby…… could it be Cole?

[Bert]

So on a special We’re Live Pal featuring Bryan and Dave, Andrew Zarian says that he’s heard there will be a big debut tomorrow besides Danielson and Ruby…… could it be Cole?

I don't think Buddy Matthews would be that big, even given as good of a wrestler as he is, and I hope it's not Braun. So, I hope it's Cole. Put him under the ring for the tag match. That match might even open the show. Or be 2nd on the card since the Battle Royale got moved to the PPV.

[MTR]

https://twitter.com/MisterJ831/status/1433991768228433920?t=kAmEr9UrLElv6iBqPQleRg&s=19

Love it. I was hoping Caster would do this.

Entertaining but I still think most of his raps were terrible and not a fan of them even before the one that landed him in trouble. Talented in the ring. Wish they would drop the rap gimmick.

[MTR]

All Out will be available on Fite in the US!

That is cool. If I end up getting it I would rather get it on fite

[mr sabu]

heres hoping tony paid for the rights to the final countdown

[Bert]

Entertaining but I still think most of his raps were terrible and not a fan of them even before the one that landed him in trouble. Talented in the ring. Wish they would drop the rap gimmick.

Why would they drop the only thing that separates them from anyone else? Max is also an actual rapper. He had a concert the other night.

https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/eddie-kingston-redeem-deez-nuts.html

AEW knows when to capitalize on things.

[MTR]

He may be an actual rapper but the raps he does for this character are terrible in my view and I tend to mute the tv anymore. I don't hate them in a good way like he is getting heat. I just plain hate them because they are not good in my view. I know lots of people like his stuff before their matches he gets good reactions from the crowd but I also know that I am not the only one that thinks they are terrible. I am sure the stuff he puts out and performs away from wrestling is good if it is something he does. Just not a fan of the stuff he does before the matches.

[Hero!]

heres hoping tony paid for the rights to the final countdown

why? At this point he’s better known for Ride of the Valkyries anyway, which is royalty free

[Tainted Eclipse]

no way, i want final countdown. i DEMAND final countdown.

[Bert]

Special dark tonight:

https://youtu.be/vMTrMYTL9QU

Watching this Shida match has me fantasy booking heel Shida who is tired of being on Dark being that she's a former champion against the new signee who can really wrestle, Ruby Soho. Those would be some great matches.

[Hero!]

no way, i want final countdown. i DEMAND final countdown.

Look, I would sing along to final countdown happily, but a) it’s gonna be expensive and b) a lot of these fans only know Bryan from his wwe run and would recognize Valkyries first

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/5lv4zKN.jpg

So pumped for tonight, having some friends over to watch the PPV and having a potluck. Should be a great night.

[virms]

I'll bring the hot peppers.

[Peter Griffin]

My brother just Saif something I never thought of, With all the forbidden door stuff will we get gts vs gts, Punk vs Kenya :chin:

[Psycho666Soldier]

Anyone know of a reliable stream I would be able to cast to my Chromecast for tonight's show?

:shifty:

[Tainted Eclipse]

My brother just Saif something I never thought of, With all the forbidden door stuff will we get gts vs gts, Punk vs Kenya :chin:

that would be one hell of a handicap match

[Bert]

Anyone know of a reliable stream I would be able to cast to my Chromecast for tonight's show?

:shifty:

PM sent. ;)

[Hero!]

I don’t think there’s anything on this card that I’m not looking forward to

[Bert]

I don’t think there’s anything on this card that I’m not looking forward to

QT/Tall Paul?

[Jarrod1983]

They got my money. I forget the feeling of having to drop $50 on a show but am looking forward to it. I'm like Hero! the card shod be good. I haven't watched much AEW at all so looking forward to seeing what they got.

[Jarrod1983]

QT/Tall Paul?

I think they'll keep this short with a thunderous chokeslam at the end. I haven't seen Show in forever so just my curiosity has me intrigued for this one.

[Bert]

They got my money. I forget the feeling of having to drop $50 on a show but am looking forward to it. I'm like Hero! the card shod be good. I haven't watched much AEW at all so looking forward to seeing what they got.

You should watch countdown.

https://youtu.be/9oSk7GcJoIs

[Hero!]

QT/Tall Paul?

you are severely underrating how much i enjoy QT Marshall.

[Tainted Eclipse]

yeah i think it could be a fun match if they keep it to five minutes.

[Tainted Eclipse]

can't say i'm looking forward to the women's battle royal. i like AEW battle royals a lot but the women's division is a mess. we'll see.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'm mostly looking forward to the battle royal in hopes we'll see Ruby.

[Hero!]

can't say i'm looking forward to the women's battle royal. i like AEW battle royals a lot but the women's division is a mess. we'll see.

aew battle royals are always a mess and always suck. I hate them. Same with the casino ladder match things. Awful.

[Bert]

aew battle royals are always a mess and always suck. I hate them. Same with the casino ladder match things. Awful.

I'd rather watch a ladder match than a QT match.

[Tainted Eclipse]

danielson's debut itself won't be a transcendent moment like punk's was, at least not on the same level, but i'm more personally hyped for danielson tonight than i was for punk that friday.

[Hero!]

I feel like it’s Wrestlemania Sunday. Indie shows have been running all weekend, the wrestling médica is all there, and I’m hyped af for this show. I expect several big surprises and I think the matches should all be good.

[virms]

I've been debating back and forth about whether or not I'm going to watch live. I guess it will boil down to how well the stream works. The surprises has got me amped, as well as punk but I don't want to be refreshing the fuck out of everything over and over.

[Hero!]

Just pay for it. You’re old, you’ve got money.

[virms]

I could buy a lot of spicy goodness with 50 bucks.

[Jarrod1983]

I've been debating back and forth about whether or not I'm going to watch live. I guess it will boil down to how well the stream works. The surprises has got me amped, as well as punk but I don't want to be refreshing the fuck out of everything over and over.

Punk's only coming back once like this. Do it!

[Tainted Eclipse]

buy the show virm you cheap bastard

[Tainted Eclipse]

perfect opener, super fun spotfest.

[virms]

Nah. I spent my money on a friend who passed from covid. I'd rather support his wife and family.

[virms]

perfect opener, super fun spotfest.

I didn't think it was on fir 15 more minutes. Ffs

[Stocky]

First PPV i've legally purchased in years. Lets go!

[kdestiny]

I didn't think it was on fir 15 more minutes. Ffs

Buy In

[virms]

Everyone get in the discord chat.

Crowd is hot. Kingston is meh

[Tainted Eclipse]

miro/eddie was fucking AWESOME. maybe my match of the year.

[Morrison]

GIMME A FUCKING REMATCH. RIGHT NOW.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the whole ending drama with the turnbuckle was brilliant. seems like a big rematch at the stadium in nyc is a no brainer

[virms]

miro/eddie was fucking AWESOME. maybe my match of the year.

:wtf:

They had a few rough spots. No way. Your Russian love has blinded you.

I did like the ref spot and the way the crowd went banana on him. Little hbk looking motherfucker.

[Jarrod1983]

Mox sorta looking like Sam Roberts when he first came out.

[Morrison]

miro/eddie was fucking AWESOME. maybe my match of the year.


the whole ending drama with the turnbuckle was brilliant. seems like a big rematch at the stadium in nyc is a no brainer

it was absolutely perfect.

[virms]

Mox sorta looking like Sam Roberts when he first came out.

Hes starting to look like weight watchers Bully ray if you ask me.

[Tainted Eclipse]

SUZUKI!!!

[Psycho666Soldier]

Mox/Kojima fucking ruled

[Morrison]

this new japan pro wrestling show is pretty good so far.

[Tainted Eclipse]

this show is nuts

[virms]

Did Suzuki get bit by a vampire on the way to the ring?

Did the women's battle royal already happen? Figured it would be before the women's title match

[Morrison]

Did Suzuki get bit by a vampire on the way to the ring?

Did the women's battle royal already happen? Figured it would be before the women's title match

mox's first elbow shot was with his left arm that was gashed.

battle royal hasn't happened yet.

[Tainted Eclipse]

this new japan pro wrestling show is pretty good so far.

honestly between the style and length of those first two matches it's been like one of those great 2013-2014 G1 shows to start

[Stocky]

This match fucks!

[Tainted Eclipse]

i cant think of a better aew women's match

edit: britt/thunder rosa i guess

[Stocky]

First hour has been great.

[mr sabu]

Well mox its been an honor..

Shall remember you vividly before murder grandpa kills you.

[Morrison]

THIS FUCKING ENTRANCE.

[Peter Griffin]

Very enjoyable, But Justin Roberts can get to fuck.

[Tainted Eclipse]

this absolutely feels like a genuine wrestlemania-calibre show.

[Stocky]

I'm going to tell my grand kids that was bad bunny.

[Stocky]

THis crowd has been amazing and the matches haven't disappointed. Big Show has to be quaking in his boots.

[virms]

First time I've seen the thumbtack shoe. Love it.

[Mazer]

Great show so far.

This is where you need the Big Show breather I guess

[Jarrod1983]

This is one of the best tag cage matches I've ever seen.

[Jarrod1983]

Didn't think Lucha Bros. would win. I've known of them but never really seen them before. Pretty dam good.

[Bert]

Happy for lucha bros.
Disappointed in no Adam Cole.

[virms]

Hella mad props to all 4 men. They did some amazing shit and put it all out there but I'm guessing you've got to really overlook some of the more outlandish things like that 4 way super kick fest where there was out of the blue no selling from one of the bucks so they could complete the spot with the double clothesline. Same for the spot off the top of the cage. Wrecks the bucks but luchasaurus was just fine. Dunno. First time I've seen the bucks in years. I'm guessing that's the stuff Cornette rants about.

That fucking Canadian destroyer though. Fuck me.

[Stocky]

I do wish this was just a mini rumble.

[Mazer]

Cage match was just great work for all.


Happy for Ruby. Hope they use her well

[Tainted Eclipse]

MJF entrance was brilliant

[virms]

Surely jericho has an amazing entrance as well if this is his last match.

[virms]

Fuck that guitar player has a terrible connection. ��

[Supernovametalstar]

I do wish this was just a mini rumble.

I don't order shows often, but I did for this one. It's been non-stop banger. Yes, that Casino Battle Royal was too chaotic and needed "slow down" periods. Hopefully they can figure something out going forward. I want justice for Riho since she didn't go over the top! Also, I'm surprised they didn't have Shida last longer. I've seen that she's been regulated to Dark for some reason. It's...perplexing.
But having Ruby debut and win is always a crowd pleaser (didn't know this was her "home town" as it were).

The tag match was great. I love how AEW will "give the fans what they want" more often than not when it's logical and not try to prolong things too much.

Miro/Eddie opener was great.

Baker/Statlander was good, too. I love that they had Orange show emotion and fire to get Kris fired up to beat the count back in the ring.

Moxley and Kojima was a hard hitter. And even though I didn't know who the guy was at the end, I'm glad more knowledgeable fans of New Japan gave him his props.

MJF is the new master of the asshole fake out music pop. Also, even Aubrey showing her disdain for MJF (and earlier, the ref screw up for the Kingston missed cover) were fun additions. I love when they do the little things.

[Morrison]

I don't order shows often, but I did for this one. It's been non-stop banger. Yes, that Casino Battle Royal was too chaotic and needed "slow down" periods. Hopefully they can figure something out going forward. I want justice for Riho since she didn't go over the top! Also, I'm surprised they didn't have Shida last longer. I've seen that she's been regulated to Dark for some reason. It's...perplexing.


most of their battle royals drag too long. this was probably the best one i've seen, it was snappy and the crowd stayed engaged. slow down's in battle royals stink.

[Stocky]

The issue with the way they do their casino battle royals is that the first one out gets a big move on entry which takes away from who ever comes out next. Let it start with 5 or 6 then 1 minute intervals or something.

[Stocky]

The first miss of the night was that electric guitar though.

[Supernovametalstar]

most of their battle royals drag too long. this was probably the best one i've seen, it was snappy and the crowd stayed engaged. slow down's in battle royals stink.

Maybe pacing out their time periods from 3:30 to 5:00 and if there are personal battles to hash out, extend when those suits come out? I'll have to see more of them.

I think MJF actually fucked himself up right there by the way he immediately reacted. Played it up later, but fuck, I am always impressed with how they can land on their coccys and NOT show emotion most of the time.

Okay, a little overbooked, but I'll allow it! We knew a ratfink was going to happen to see if they could get the reaction.

[Tainted Eclipse]

MJF/jericho wasn't clicking for a while but ended up really good, at least in the last several minutes.

[Supernovametalstar]

I'm surprised they'll run Punk/Allen next. I figured they'd do the Big Show/QT match as the cooldown before the title match. Or, I don't know, just scrap that one all together because I have no interest in either Paul Wight or QT. :)

[Morrison]

the pacing and structure of this show might just be perfect. that mjf/jericho match had the crowd engaged but not super hot, now we get punk/darby which will be nuts. we'll get qt/show as a come down and then finish off with the main event.

[virms]

Refs are really fucking it up tonight :lol:

[Tainted Eclipse]

punk with long tights? :o

[Morrison]

punk with long tights? :o

this is okada levels of betrayal.

[Stocky]

He trolled us all with those wrestle in my undies comments!

[Supernovametalstar]

I'm not surprised Punk has said he's nervous. You have the entire wrestling world watching you, and more than a few people waiting for you to fuck something up or deliver a dud so they can see, you actually do suck and over rated.

[Jarrod1983]

the pacing and structure of this show might just be perfect. that mjf/jericho match had the crowd engaged but not super hot, now we get punk/darby which will be nuts. we'll get qt/show as a come down and then finish off with the main event.

Especially if Danielson shows up to confront Omega at the end.

[Jarrod1983]

I haven't seen much of Darby either but he definitely has some Jeff Hardy charisma.

[Stocky]

Especially if Danielson shows up to confront Omega at the end.

After the match 2.0 and garcia will attack sting will be laid out and daniel bryan will come to help punk out.

[Stocky]

50/50 Darby/Punk chants in Chicago people love this kid.

[Tainted Eclipse]

darby is working his ass off

[Tainted Eclipse]

punk looked good for not wrestling for seven and a half years, but darby was on another level. masterful performance from him.

[Supernovametalstar]

I'm glad Darby is one of the few guys I've seen that doesn't put his arm up to block the GTS, making it look bad if the camera doesn't cut just right. Okay, so now do we get Punk and Sting? I can dig it!

Edit: maybe not. But I'm dying that he acknowledged the heel/face tunnels.

[Mazer]

Fun match.

Great way to reintroduce Punk.

[Psycho666Soldier]

the whole ending drama with the turnbuckle was brilliant. seems like a big rematch at the stadium in nyc is a no brainer

Agree with this all the way. That match fucking ruled.

This whole PPV has kicked ass.

[Bert]

Finally a piss break.

[virms]

Punk trolling with the tunnels is great. Hinting a heel turn:lol:

Just absolutely brilliant whoever really decided to book punk vs Darby. I was unfamiliar with Darby as well but the kid has got it from top to bottom package wise. He was a nice safety net for Punk to work off any ring rust and the kid can sell like no other. He damn near looked crippled the way he dragged himself across the ring. As crazy as it sounds Darby definitely walks away the person of that match. Punk was absolutely fine and I think after his first match back and shaking off the nerves we will see him let go a bit more in the ring. I'm interested in what is next.

[Jarrod1983]

I dig Wight's new theme.

[virms]

Big shows entrance music has just enough of a sample of the weeeeellllll that Vince may have just seen some dollar signs

[Stocky]

Big show and CM Punk both 1-0 in AEW.

[virms]

Black is so much better in aew. God fuck damn.

[Jarrod1983]

Awesome job by Darby. He made me a fan.

Punk looked great. Nice jumping off point. Excited for his upward and onward trajectory.

I thought Wight looked good. Like I said his theme was good. Chops were good. Short and simple.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Honestly, this main event could tank and it would still be my favorite wrestling show of the year.

[virms]

I love Christian so much. Be a giant swerve if he wins but I'd love it.

You know I think my biggest grumble is the announcers. I love Jr and Tony but they are desperately over selling way to much non stop. I think they've said big match feel 40 times now.

[Bert]

Big shows entrance music has just enough of a sample of the weeeeellllll that Vince may have just seen some dollar signs

They had the guy re-record it. It's not a sample.

[virms]

They had the guy re-record it. It's not a sample.

I thought It sounded like the same band but wasn't wasn't sure. I figured wwe owned the rights to it. Maybe not.

Crowd seems a bit worn out and is ot just me or does omega look a bit like al snow?

[virms]

Lol at Jr calling omega cerebral with that hhh facial hair

[Tainted Eclipse]

not nearly as good as the rampage match

[Tainted Eclipse]

BOOOOOOOOOOOO

[JuveLeo]

I knew Adam Cole would join the Elite lol

[JuveLeo]

Danielson coming out

[Jarrod1983]

Happy for lucha bros.
Disappointed in no Adam Cole.

There ya go bay-bee!

[Jarrod1983]

Danielson coming out

Hell yeah.

[JuveLeo]

Man, I haven't been this hyped for Wrestling in a very long time. This is amazing!

[Stocky]

Fucking hell man AEW is just going all out!

[Tainted Eclipse]

i will never forgive tony khan for not buying rights to final countdown.

but, yay.

[Stocky]

I mean if you are going to debut 2 people that is the way. Hot segment.

[kdestiny]

My God

[JuveLeo]

I feel like they should have had Adam Cole come out on Dynamite or something. Danielson overshadowed his debut. Still awesome though!

[Hero!]

Fuck me. Awesome.

[Jarrod1983]

Well shit, that was a fucking wonderful wrestling show. No complaints what so ever.

[Bert]

FUCK YES

[virms]

I feel like they should have had Adam Cole come out on Dynamite or something. Danielson overshadowed his debut. Still awesome though!

Nah. Such a perfect God damn swerve. I'm ready for Wednesday.

[Tainted Eclipse]

copyright law needs to be reformed so you can just use whatever song you want as entrance music like they did on the indies.

anyway that was the best wrestling show since at least dominion 2017.

[kdestiny]

Yeah the timing was really well done at the end. Figured Cole was the only one.

[Supernovametalstar]

I mean if you are going to debut 2 people that is the way. Hot segment.

Now that was some good shit, pal! I was wondering how they were going to play that Adam Cole would be mad at the Elite since they're his best friends. So I loved this here. Bryan at the end was icing on the cake. Truth be told, if Tony Khan was going to get the rights to any music, it was going to be the one most accessible from where most of the current audience knows Bryan's music from. I don't associate Final Countdown with him because I haven't seen him outside of WWE, really.

[virms]

copyright law needs to be reformed so you can just use whatever song you want as entrance music like they did on the indies.

anyway that was the best wrestling show since at least dominion 2017.

They could easily make it that way if they wanted to. All musicians with copyrights would get royalty checks from any type of event. Problem is it would boil down to fractions of a penny and Lars needs that 11th house and 6th yacht.

[VHS]

WWE has been lapped.

[Mazer]

Great work by all involved in a show


If they got any new eyeballs, thanks to Punk....the rest of AEW just hooked them in

[JuveLeo]

WWE has been lapped.

BAH GAWD

[Jarrod1983]

They could easily make it that way if they wanted to. All musicians with copyrights would get royalty checks from any type of event. Problem is it would boil down to fractions of a penny and Lars needs that 11th house and 6th yacht.


https://youtu.be/NofDpJcuIw8

[Tainted Eclipse]

the main event match was a big letdown imo, but i think between the quality of the matches, the atmosphere, and memorable moments, you could easily say this was the best wrestling PPV since wrestlemania 17.

[Hero!]

the main event match was a big letdown imo, but i think between the quality of the matches, the atmosphere, and memorable moments, you could easily say this was the best wrestling PPV since wrestlemania 17.

You really think that? I thought the main event was awesome. Every match barring QT/BS was pretty awesome in its own way.

[Bert]

Absolutely the best way to get Adam Cole into AEW. As a face he would just be overshadowed. That pop for him was crazy too.

I missed the entirety of the QT/Tall Paul match taking a piss and getting more food to eat. I can't say I care to watch it again really.

[Tainted Eclipse]

You really think that? I thought the main event was awesome. Every match barring QT/BS was pretty awesome in its own way.

it was fine. didn't have any real heat or energy to it i thought. it was competently worked, had some pretty cool spots and segments, but overall felt flat both in atmosphere and execution.

[Hero!]

Absolutely the best way to get Adam Cole into AEW. As a face he would just be overshadowed. That pop for him was crazy too.

I missed the entirety of the QT/Tall Paul match taking a piss and getting more food to eat. I can't say I care to watch it again really.

that’s what that match was for. I took a long piss and made it back in time for Christian to come out

[Morrison]

You really think that? I thought the main event was awesome. Every match barring QT/BS was pretty awesome in its own way.

it was decent enough but having the first match be a sprint match on rampage, with no anticipation of a rumored big debut afterward hanging over the entire thing, didn't help.

[Tainted Eclipse]

they went into the match with the mentality of "one upping" a perfectly executed TV main event sprint with an epic PPV main event, but it wasn't the match up or the time to have an epic PPV main event because the fans weren't into the match up on that level. if they had a quick, energetic 15 minute match a lot like their rampage match, it would have been a lot better.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the consensus match of the night is going to be the cage match, and i liked the match, but for me it's the third best match of the night behind darby/punk and miro/eddie (best match of the night). i might have even liked the pre-show tag better. which isn't a knock on the cage match.

[virms]

it was fine. didn't have any real heat or energy to it i thought. it was competently worked, had some pretty cool spots and segments, but overall felt flat both in atmosphere and execution.

I think that was 25% the crowd was a bit fatigued and 75% they knew Bryan was coming. The match was fine but the crowd, who had been rip roaring all night suddenly took a step back.

I'm ready to rewatch the end though like maybe 5 or 6 times.

[Morrison]

the consensus match of the night is going to be the cage match, and i liked the match, but for me it's the third best match of the night behind darby/punk and miro/eddie (best match of the night). i might have even liked the pre-show tag better. which isn't a knock on the cage match.

miro/eddie by far my match of the night. fuck me that went down smooth. cage match the runner up, then darby/punk. surprised how much i enjoyed mox/kojima, too.

[Hero!]

Gabe’s burner going nuts.

[virms]

Gabe’s burner going nuts.

What's that?

[Morrison]

Gabe’s burner going nuts.

what the @?

[virms]

what the @?

I think Beardobones1

[virms]

Gabe's burner account went nuts on Adam Cole and then was deleted. So he's totally headed here.


Gabe Sapolsky? What did he say? How do you know it was his burner account?

Also,
https://i.imgur.com/PYpfNQU.jpg


That fake Kobashi stan one

Somebody link it lol

[Hero!]

Current one is Kobashii11

[Morrison]

what a sad guy.

[virms]

Oh kept meaning to mention that even though Cole came out as a face he walked out of the heel tunnel indicating his allegiance right off the bat. Nice touch.

[Hero!]

Ok, overall show thoughts:

Mox/Kojima was a banger. Loved the post match Suzuki stuff
womens battle royal thing was good. I usually hate these from AEW, but I thought they did a good job on this one.
TNT title match was fucking awesome.
cage match was perfect. Fuck. What a battle!!
women’s title was solid! I enjoyed it!
QT/BS was what it was. I took a good piss from all the Trulys.
CM Punk vs Darby was fantastic. Punk looked great (even in long tights) and Darby is such a star. What a great match
main event ruled. Christian just GETS IT and Kenny can do anything. Awesome awesome match.
The post main reveals we’re executed great.

WHAT A FUCKING SHOW.

[Bert]

I don't want to steal Hero's gimmick but man am I still really excited after that show.

You guys should check out the post media scrum on youtube.

CM Punk, Ruby Soho, Lucha Bros, Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson all did interviews.

Oh and I love Adam Cole's theme and I want to hear the full thing.

[Morrison]

I don't want to steal Hero's gimmick but man am I still really excited after that show.

You guys should check out the post media scrum on youtube.

CM Punk, Ruby Soho, Lucha Bros, Adam Cole and Bryan Danielson all did interviews.

Oh and I love Adam Cole's theme and I want to hear the full thing.


https://youtu.be/0SLgKlJVD28

[Bert]

snip for dumb rules about having more than 1 video in a post

I thought it was saying all about the boom. Someone tried to say it was all about the Cole and I didn't think that made much sense.

Here's the post media scrum.

https://youtu.be/WolAUme7Z_s

[Morrison]

and here's danielson's theme, complete with 'your gonna get your fucking head kicked in' chant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VoqgBceP_8

[Morrison]

also bert, you might be missing out on full gear.

[Bert]

I'll probably watch it at home with friends like I did All Out. Unless the baby comes early, who knows.

Thanks for the Bryan song. I don't like it that much though. The trap sounding beat doesn't really fit him.

[Peter Griffin]

I fucking love wrestling

[GtheMVP]

Agreed, BD and punk as faces was more than enough. Cole was the perfect heel of the new additions.

AEW was amazing last night. WWE will be forced to step things up, we all win!

[Ringo]

Wow, what a fucking great PPV. The ending was a special segment which could probably only have been topped if Danielson came out to Final Countdown. 10/10.

[Hero!]

:lol: the Danielson theme having the chant built in HAHAHAHAHAHAHAPQGAGAIAB

[Bert]

:lol: the Danielson theme having the chant built in HAHAHAHAHAHAHAPQGAGAIAB

I don't think they used this version at the show. I never heard the words born for greatness. Hopefully they do use it moving forward though. I like it more with lyrics.

[Hero!]

I just watched the entrance again and I swear I could hear it. Maybe I’m just imagining it now that I know it’s there?

[Bert]

I just watched the entrance again and I swear I could hear it. Maybe I’m just imagining it now that I know it’s there?

So, I do hear the chant now that I just listened to it again. The first time I just thought it was yes chants. I don't hear the chorus of the song though.

[Psycho666Soldier]

the consensus match of the night is going to be the cage match, and i liked the match, but for me it's the third best match of the night behind darby/punk and miro/eddie (best match of the night). i might have even liked the pre-show tag better. which isn't a knock on the cage match.

I don't even know how to rank the four matches I loved the most.
Darby/Punk, Miro/Eddie, Mox/Kojima, and the Cage match were the bangerest of bangers

[Tainted Eclipse]

danielson's interview with the media is so great

[Hero!]

He’s very honest. He loves wwe but wanted to come work matches with the AEW guys.

I fully expect him to go back to wwe in 3 years or whatever. His wife is there and his father in law is Vince right hand man again

[virms]

and here's danielson's theme, complete with 'your gonna get your fucking head kicked in' chant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VoqgBceP_8

That chant sounds terrible and doesn't even fit. Yuck.

[Nash Diesel]

Very excited to see Dragon wrestle some of these cats.

Fuck Adam Cole.

[VHS]

AEW just caught a big wave and it actually feels like wrestling is at the doorstep of a golden age. They've had the establishment, but now they seem to have the pieces needed to fill it out and start making a legacy. The phase of "hope this thing works" is over because it's working. People are talking and people are excited. I can't remember the last time fans were this united in celebration and hopeful for the future, something that's been missing for a long time.

They're off to the races now. The only thing that can fuck this up is a scandal. Don't fuck this up, AEW.

[Morrison]

AEW just caught a big wave and it actually feels like wrestling is at the doorstep of a golden age. They've had the establishment, but now they seem to have the pieces needed to fill it out and start making a legacy. The phase of "hope this thing works" is over because it's working. People are talking and people are excited. I can't remember the last time fans were this united in celebration and hopeful for the future, something that's been missing for a long time.

They're off to the races now. The only thing that can fuck this up is a scandal. Don't fuck this up, AEW.

i am worried that the accusations against darby, which have been pretty much ignored, will be picked up the more attention he or the company gets.

[virms]

Fuck sake. Didn't hear about that.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Aren’t the allegations against Darby pretty generic, and basically just read like a bad relationship that one party has a really negative impression of?