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[Badger]

I can't be any more specific for you, Badger. You can read it again later and not be offended.

Morrison, what don't you like? Baron Corbin?

Okay quote my posts about Kofi and what this has to do with this.

More offended about the stoned comment which was completely out of left field.

[Horatio]

Why? Will you agee that Kofi sucks?

[Badger]

Why? Will you agee that Kofi sucks?

No I don’t agree with anything you have said because I fail to see how Kofi is relevant to this discussion in any way whatsoever.

Btw I love Kofi. Seems like you need more power of positivity.

[Horatio]

Well, like I said, work ethic means nothing to you, Badge.

[Badger]

Well, like I said, work ethic means nothing to you, Badge.

You’re right, must train harder to be a wrestler.

Damn my work ethic.

[Horatio]

Or be a smart mark like in the old days?

[Badger]

Yeah sure.

[Morrison]

Well, like I said, work ethic means nothing to you, Badge.

what in the fuck are you talking about.

[Horatio]

Wrestling.

[Badger]

Wrestling.

Shit Morri how did we not get that?

[Tainted Eclipse]

i'm a fan of moxley's overall. i like his character and most of his promos, he feels like a big star, i really respect him walking away from easy money in WWE to do something self fulfilling. so i'm a fan of his for sure. but i'm really not too high on his wrestling. he works comically light. his strikes are downright awful most of the time to be honest. his style is, or at least can be often, kind of like a soulless pantomime of hard-hitting NJPW style ~8 years ago, but without the actual hard hitting and without the genuine fire. i cut him slack on his flaws because i like him overall and he's a major asset to AEW but the flaws are there for sure.

[Donald]

Moxley is one of the better parts of AEW. He and Black are the two main reasons I tune in.

[Badger]

Better character than worker is fair. :yes: Solid worker though.

I think the Omega street fight early on is my favourite Moxley match so far.

[VHS]

Mox's match with Karl Anderson was a breath of fresh air, more of this Mox please. His Texas death match w/ Archer should be ok, but I'm fatigued from all the hardcore stuff.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i'm definitely tired of stunt-heavy hardcore stuff. give me a brawl where they just punch and kick each other, bite each other, and bleed buckets. no table spots or goofy weapons.

[kdestiny]

i'm definitely tired of stunt-heavy hardcore stuff. give me a brawl where they just punch and kick each other, bite each other, and bleed buckets. no table spots or goofy weapons.

That's one of my worries with Moxley. I think all of the extra bells and whistles needs to be more of an attraction for the PPVs. I get they are back on the road but just let the guy scrap, he's pretty good at it despite whatever his "work ethic" supposedly is

[Nash Diesel]

I'm going to start out by saying Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose has been one of my top 2 favorites in wrestling for several years now.

With that said, look how fucking triggered people get in this thread.

[Nash Diesel]

Okay quote my posts about Kofi and what this has to do with this.

More offended about the stoned comment which was completely out of left field.

People asking if you're stoned is a common question when someone is trying to give you the benefit of the doubt for saying something really, really stupid. Not exactly out of left field unless you have some rep of being a big pothead that I'm unaware of.


what in the fuck are you talking about.

So dramatic.

[Badger]

Don’t know what he was talking about though Nash. He’s bringing up me liking Kofi for some weird reason which was out of let field.

[Nash Diesel]

Don’t know what he was talking about though Nash. He’s bringing up me liking Kofi for some weird reason which was out of let field.

He was probably stoned too lol

[Matthew]

So dramatic.
not as much as calling someone a 'fucking retard' for posting 'lol'. but nothing about that one, hmm?

typical. carry on

[Donald]

lol

[Matthew]

i am glad you got over the 'mat sounding weird' to watch the show. impressive.

[Donald]

Thanks. :heart:

[Matthew]

nick gage throwing out a challenge for kenny at GCW homecoming next weekend, after callis took a shot at him on the impact ppv.

[Ringo]

:hyper:

[Hero!]

Gage is dropping his title to Cardona, I believe.

[Nash Diesel]

not as much as calling someone a 'fucking retard' for posting 'lol'. but nothing about that one, hmm?

typical. carry on

Where did anyone say that?

[Nash Diesel]

Happy 71st Birthday to the man who made AEW a reality and gave us what we thought would be the true competition all these years later after Nitro died Mr. Shahid Khan!!

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[Matthew]

Where did anyone say that?
mod had to edit it out, but it is pretty easy to see.

[Nash Diesel]

mod had to edit it out, but it is pretty easy to see.

Ok well then shout out to the mods for doing what they're supposed to be doing.

[Donald]

I'd like to see W. Morrissey tangle it up Wardlow or Lance Archer, if Impact and AEW allow it.

[Tyrone]

It would be spectacular if he got Morrissey to provide his entrance music. W is probably a fan.

[JuveLeo]

Man, Jericho looks in rough shape. Did he gain more weight? Yikes

[Bert]

Oh wow. I didn't expect Nick Gage.

[Tainted Eclipse]

NICK GAGE!!!

[Defrost]

MD MOTHER FUCKING K

[JuveLeo]

The king of the deathmatch? Wow

[Hero!]

They subjected us to a luke gallows match and this show has still been great

[VHS]

Too much happening every segment, this guy comes out then that guy then THESE guys.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Are they angling toward trying to create their own version of Los Ignoberables with Andrade, Chavo, and Vickie as their mouthpiece?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Orange Cassidy vs. The Blade -- A Main Event In Any High School Gym of VFW Hall in The Country!

[VHS]

Blade gets pyro? :lol:

[Bert]

Orange Cassidy vs. The Blade -- A Main Event In Any High School Gym of VFW Hall in The Country!

It's not the main event.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

It's not the main event.

Semi-main.

Orange Cassidy should be manning the register at a 7-11. Not wrestling on my TV.

[Tainted Eclipse]

bigly stacked card next week

[Horatio]

Mox brought his working boots tonight. I expected him to work up to Archer; Archer should have been AEW champ by now.

[Bert]

Hikuelo is a big dude. I couldn't tell when he was sitting down.

[Morrison]

Too much happening every segment, this guy comes out then that guy then THESE guys.

lol

[Defrost]

Haven't seen Hikuleo wrestle in forever. Very interested to see Meng's large adult son in that spot next week.

[Nash Diesel]

It's not the main event.

The point was the match could be a main event in some gym or VFW Hall.


Are they angling toward trying to create their own version of Los Ignoberables with Andrade, Chavo, and Vickie as their mouthpiece?

I hope not. Andrade deserves more than being on a bloated roster working in for "fans" who praise a guy like Nick Gage. This is what wrestling looks like when the neckbeards get what they want.

[Nash Diesel]

Mox brought his working boots tonight. I expected him to work up to Archer; Archer should have been AEW champ by now.

Mox looks like being a dad for the last few months aged him about 20 centuries.

I somewhat agree about Archer. I think he needs to be the one to truly retire 65 year old Sting. Then go to WWE and kill off Goldberg.

[Horatio]

I don't think Sting should ever retire. If he's willing to work at 60, he should keep the door open.

Nick Gage just makes me nervous. He was supposed to wrestle Low Ki last year before the shutdown hit and I wanted to see that -- I mean, Low Ki has no reason to fear a pizza-cutter, right?
Jericho is a legit tough guy though and it should be interesting to see those two work, but I'd rather not look forward to whatever Gage has planned, redemption-story or not. Return of The Painmaker seems like the smart way to go. Hopefully it's a squash.

[kdestiny]

Okay, Spudz.

I know you've just come back, but we don't need posts like that here.

[Nash Diesel]

Pruning all the anti-Nick Gage posts.

[kdestiny]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is

[Bert]

Pruning all the anti-Nick Gage posts.

I thought you'd be a fan to be honest.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Okay, probably went too far.

So... fuck Nick Gage. He sucks and deathmatch "wrestling" is for brainless idiots who don't know what real wrestling is.

[Nash Diesel]

I thought you'd be a fan to be honest.

I'm a huge fan of "deathmatch" wrestling I'm just not a fan of Nick Gage as a wrestler or a human being.

I don't think purposely trying to split people open in ways that they ask you not to and robbing banks doesn't fly. I have zero sympathy for literal garbage wrestlers. It's like expecting me to be a fan of Tamina because women's wrestling is the best wrestling on the planet. Naw. Every genre has a really shitty sub genre lead by a dirtball people pretend to like.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I'm a huge fan of "deathmatch" wrestling I'm just not a fan of Nick Gage as a wrestler or a human being.

I don't think purposely trying to split people open in ways that they ask you not to and robbing banks doesn't fly. I have zero sympathy for literal garbage wrestlers. It's like expecting me to be a fan of Tamina because women's wrestling is the best wrestling on the planet. Naw. Every genre has a really shitty sub genre lead by a dirtball people pretend to like.

I actually respect Tamina because at least she has an ounce of actual talent. She's not "good", but at least she tries. I've never seen Tamina try to cut somebody's tongue out with a pizza cutter or try to horribly maim David Arquette. Nick Gage is an irredeemable pimple on the deflated ball sack of life.

[Nash Diesel]

I actually respect Tamina because at least she has an ounce of actual talent. She's not "good", but at least she tries. I've never seen Tamina try to cut somebody's tongue out with a pizza cutter or try to horribly maim David Arquette. Nick Gage is an irredeemable pimple on the deflated ball sack of life.

No but just simply having to witness a Tamina match is right up there with Nick Gage or DJ Hyde bullshit.

Just call up Super Humann and have him woop woop into a bed of butcher knives.

[Donald]

Ironic that Jericho is completing labors when he looks like he could go into labor at any minute.

[Nash Diesel]

Ironic that Jericho is completing labors when he looks like he could go into labor at any minute.

lol. Dude talks a lot of shit about other people's looks. I did feel bad for his band having to play in front of 12 people recently. Living that 80's rockstar life.

[Bert]

Ironic that Jericho is completing labors when he looks like he could go into labor at any minute.

MJF used that line 5mins into the show. :chin:

[Donald]

Well I don't watch the show.

[Bert]

I'm a huge fan of "deathmatch" wrestling I'm just not a fan of Nick Gage as a wrestler or a human being.

I don't think purposely trying to split people open in ways that they ask you not to and robbing banks doesn't fly. I have zero sympathy for literal garbage wrestlers. It's like expecting me to be a fan of Tamina because women's wrestling is the best wrestling on the planet. Naw. Every genre has a really shitty sub genre lead by a dirtball people pretend to like.

New Jack?

I'm not a fan of death match spot wrestling with no real wrestling in between. I'm ok with the way Moxley does it. Nick Gage still has a lot of charisma and blurs the line between kayfabe and real life. I think he's very similar to New Jack in that way. I also know Jericho isn't going to be taken advantage of so I'll be interested to see what they come up with next week.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

New Jack?

I'm not a fan of death match spot wrestling with no real wrestling in between. I'm ok with the way Moxley does it. Nick Gage still has a lot of charisma and blurs the line between kayfabe and real life. I think he's very similar to New Jack in that way. I also know Jericho isn't going to be taken advantage of so I'll be interested to see what they come up with next week.

New Jack was a very singular type of wrestler. When they made Jack, they broke the mold. And every death match idiot that's ever come after him has tried to match what Jack was. And they fail.

New Jack was a lunatic bounty hunter with 4 justifiable homicides under his belt who just so happened to stumble his way into a company where their booker was insane enough to make him a featured player. And that was after a different kind of lunatic put Jack's life on the line by making him a heel in a deeply racist, Southern territory.

Nick Gage wishes he could be New Jack. But New Jack wrestled major stars on pay-per-view. Nick Gage is a cocaine addict who robbed a bank.

[Nash Diesel]

New Jack?

I'm not a fan of death match spot wrestling with no real wrestling in between. I'm ok with the way Moxley does it. Nick Gage still has a lot of charisma and blurs the line between kayfabe and real life. I think he's very similar to New Jack in that way. I also know Jericho isn't going to be taken advantage of so I'll be interested to see what they come up with next week.

What about New Jack?

What about Madman Pondo? What about Zandig? What about Jun Kasai?

I disagree with every positive you're trying to make for this idiot. He doesn't have a lot of charisma. Coming out flipping people off saying fuck fuck motherfucker, wow, come to the Iowa State Fair you'll find about 2,000 Nick Gages on East Side Night lol.

Nick Gage doesn't blur any lines for me, I see him for exactly what he is. Terrible. I can see what you're saying with that super loose comparison to New Jack but I wasn't really a fan of New Jack either.

[JuveLeo]

I don't think Sting should ever retire. If he's willing to work at 60, he should keep the door open.

Nick Gage just makes me nervous. He was supposed to wrestle Low Ki last year before the shutdown hit and I wanted to see that -- I mean, Low Ki has no reason to fear a pizza-cutter, right?
Jericho is a legit tough guy though and it should be interesting to see those two work, but I'd rather not look forward to whatever Gage has planned, redemption-story or not. Return of The Painmaker seems like the smart way to go. Hopefully it's a squash.

I highly doubt they'd bring Nick Gage in just to have Jericho squash him. Jericho obviously wins though.

[Romford Pele]

Reports saying Punk in talks with AEW. Man, what a signing that would be!

[Ringo]

AEW's roster is already amazing right now. Punk and/or Bryan would just be taking the piss.

Another great Dynamite. So many hot things going on at the moment.

[Romford Pele]

Could really be a game changer if he is in shape and ready to go. Imagine the promos.

[Hero!]

AEW's roster is already amazing right now. Punk and/or Bryan would just be taking the piss.

Another great Dynamite. So many hot things going on at the moment.


bryan seems to be a done deal, likely to debut at the NY show.

[Ringo]

I heard they were opening up other sections to potentially get to 19,000 seats. Bryan making his debut in that stadium in front of that crowd will be something else.

[Hero!]

I was going through their upcoming events and it’s a whole week of shows in Chicago leading to All Out. Not a bad time to bring in Punk.

[Nash Diesel]

Some talks circulating that this has been something in the works pre-pandemic but it feels like every year we have a story about CM Punk returning. I do believe this is legit. Some of these cats like Punk, Christian, Bryan, Big Show, they're going to look at AEW the same way Nash, Booker T, Angle, and even Christian looked at TNA. Lighter schedule, tv presence, and operated by someone who has unlimited resources for now.

[Donald]

Funded by Khanda Energy, perhaps.

[Nash Diesel]

I can't hate on the premise. It's the reason why Hogan, Savage, Hall, Nash, etc. jumped ship to WCW. More guaranteed money for half the dates. And guys like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk have in some respects earned that spot. Just like in TNA--Dixie was willing to pay Sting 7 figures a year to work 10-15 dates. Did it do them any good? Of course not. TNA at one point had a crazy deep roster of legends, new talent, etc. and it didn't really do much.

I wish 5-10 years ago we were as forgiving with the shit ratings TNA had as we are with AEW and WWE.

[Donald]

I think AEW is going to be the # 1 pro wrestling company in the USA in the next year or so, especially if they sign Bryan and Punk. I'm hoping this will light a fire under WWE's ass to have them put on a better product.

[Bert]

I can't hate on the premise. It's the reason why Hogan, Savage, Hall, Nash, etc. jumped ship to WCW. More guaranteed money for half the dates. And guys like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk have in some respects earned that spot. Just like in TNA--Dixie was willing to pay Sting 7 figures a year to work 10-15 dates. Did it do them any good? Of course not. TNA at one point had a crazy deep roster of legends, new talent, etc. and it didn't really do much.

I wish 5-10 years ago we were as forgiving with the shit ratings TNA had as we are with AEW and WWE.

I don't remember people caring about TNAs ratings until they brought in Hogan and tried to air on Mondays.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't remember people caring about TNAs ratings until they brought in Hogan and tried to air on Mondays.

They've cared about TNA's ratings since the first weekly ppv.

[PurePlayer]

They've cared about TNA's ratings since the first weekly ppv.

absolutely. just listed to the Jeff Jarrett podcast

[Bert]

They've cared about TNA's ratings since the first weekly ppv.

Who's they? The wrestlers? Management? Or people on this forum? I was talking about the people on this forum.

[PurePlayer]

Who's they? The wrestlers? Management? Or people on this forum? I was talking about the people on this forum.

i don't think people on these forums cared about ratings until AEW started right? i mean the ratings would always be shared but it seems like fans on twitter live and die by them the minute they come out

[Bert]

Ratings for TNA were definitely talked about when Hogan showed up there and said they wanted a monday night war. Before that I don't remember anyone caring though. It was more talked about how great the wrestlers were.

[Nash Diesel]

Who's they? The wrestlers? Management? Or people on this forum? I was talking about the people on this forum.

People in general. I'm not going to pretend I vividly remember ratings discussions on Rajah's message board from 10+ years ago.

[Nash Diesel]

i don't think people on these forums cared about ratings until AEW started right? i mean the ratings would always be shared but it seems like fans on twitter live and die by them the minute they come out

I can't really speak on that far back on this message board because Hogan came to TNA in what, 2009?

[PurePlayer]

I can't really speak on that far back on this message board because Hogan came to TNA in what, 2009?

yeah I don't remember that. i am thinking more along the lines of WWE from like 2014-2019 before AEW debuted

[Nash Diesel]

Ratings for TNA were definitely talked about when Hogan showed up there and said they wanted a monday night war. Before that I don't remember anyone caring though. It was more talked about how great the wrestlers were.

And if you go back and actually read my post, I said the last 5-10 years, which would mean AFTER Hulk Hogan arrived correct? But I've been talking to people, reading the WON for 20 years talking about TNA/Impact ratings. It all tied in with many many people trying to predict when it was finally over for that company-which started before they aired their first show. Very few people thought they would last with that weekly ppv model.

[BigAl]

I do remember one guy was always kind of gloating about how bad the WWE ratings were. Soxfanatic maybe? Might be thinking of someone else.

[Nash Diesel]

yeah I don't remember that. i am thinking more along the lines of WWE from like 2014-2019 before AEW debuted

I can 100% tell you that we've cared about ratings on this message board prior to AEW.

[PurePlayer]

I do remember one guy was always kind of gloating about how bad the WWE ratings were. Soxfanatic maybe? Might be thinking of someone else.

i remember that! he was waiting for those ratings to come out to shit on them. he also made fun of the fans who cried at the cruiserweight classic haha

[Nash Diesel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY

[Donald]

Are ratings even accurate? DVR, YouTube views, streaming apps etc. have to be factored in no? I feel like watching live on cable might be the minority way of watching these days.

[Nash Diesel]

Are ratings even accurate? DVR, YouTube views, streaming apps etc. have to be factored in no? I feel like watching live on cable might be the minority way of watching these days.

Fuck no. It's just unfortunately an outdated way a lot of us fans still gauge the popularity of wrestling.

Let's put it this way. WWE have record low ratings for Raw, but they still continue to make more money each year than the year prior. They make more money now, inflation factored in and everything, than when Hogan, Rock, Austin, etc. were on top. When WWE were getting 7-8's in the ratings, they were making maybe a 5th of what they make now.

For example, I rarely watch AEW live. My best friend DVR's it. Raw-SD-NXT, we watch those on Hulu the following day. This past week's Raw was the first Raw I have watched live in a long, long time and fuck me I was pissed lol. It sucked. I know people who watch these promotions youtube whether that's clips or the entire show getting uploaded like AEW will do in segments. You might have missed Pockets and Stingk baby kicking each other last night, hop on Instagram people have all the highs and lows right there.

But they do matter in the sense that again, it gives people an outdated way of gauging the popularity of something. The thing is, WWE operates on a completely different level than AEW and everyone else. How many international tv deals does AEW have in comparison to WWE?

[Hero!]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E67AP17XoAU30cP.jpg

[Donald]

I believe that's Spanish for Thunder Rose.

[Nash Diesel]

Nice! I'm honestly not that high on her wrestling, I'm just a fan of her in general.

[Bert]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E67AP17XoAU30cP.jpg

Great news! I thought she might end up going back to NWA.

[kdestiny]

I believe that's Spanish for Thunder Rose.

Thunder isn't Spanish though, so jokes on you

[PurePlayer]

i don't remember her being used much since her match with Britt Baker. am i wrong? if so then why did she win?

[Horatio]

I highly doubt they'd bring Nick Gage in just to have Jericho squash him. Jericho obviously wins though.

Uhh, have you seen Gage wrestle? Deathmatch wrestlers have evolved into hybrid types who can actually wrestle, but Gage is still Gage (he's not exactly what you call athletic). He'd be lucky to get a one-night jobber's slot in WWE.

He made a name for himself being a pretty terrible wrestler, but now he's kicked heroin and gotten a serious cult following so great for him, but I could see him getting squashed, then berated by MJF (the guy he SHOULD be facing), and then, i dunno, fighting off MJF and his crew with lighttubes for a quick pop.

And I know I'm being hard on Gage for his faults, but he needs to be on his best behavior with this opportunity he's got. And I've seen him wrestle women and I know he's got good behavior in him.

[mr sabu]

Wonder who vince is gonna blame for getting bryan sign to aew

[Hero!]

1.14 mill for Dynamite last night. That’s crazy, but awesome. Over a mill 2 weeks straight.

[Horatio]

Wonder who vince is gonna blame for getting bryan sign to aew

He's probably never met Danny Boy.

[Nash Diesel]

Uhh, have you seen Gage wrestle? Deathmatch wrestlers have evolved into hybrid types who can actually wrestle, but Gage is still Gage (he's not exactly what you call athletic). He'd be lucky to get a one-night jobber's slot in WWE.

He made a name for himself being a pretty terrible wrestler, but now he's kicked heroin and gotten a serious cult following so great for him, but I could see him getting squashed, then berated by MJF (the guy he SHOULD be facing), and then, i dunno, fighting off MJF and his crew with lighttubes for a quick pop.

And I know I'm being hard on Gage for his faults, but he needs to be on his best behavior with this opportunity he's got. And I've seen him wrestle women and I know he's got good behavior in him.

Nick Gage is not a "hybrid type" who can actually wrestle though.

The question is....are fans of his truly drawn into a possible redemption story or are they just fucked up people? The biggest misconception about wrestling fans is that we're good people.

We cheer the heel, we boo them when they turn babyface. We blame it on bad creative, but the irony in that statement......I can look in the mirror and have no issue cheering Kevin Nash powerbombing Eric Bischoff off a stage for simply asking who the 3rd man is. That's not normal behavior to applaud.

Look...people making excuses and apologizing for Nick Gage's behavior need to stop. That's his job, none of you encouraged him to do the things he's done in and out of the ring. He would tell you the same thing I would hope. He's over because a % of fans know that other fans hate that he's accepted. "Let's cheer the guy everyone thinks is a piece of shit haha!!" That's ECW-present day fanbase's MO.

[PurePlayer]

1.14 mill for Dynamite last night. That’s crazy, but awesome. Over a mill 2 weeks straight.

great rating!

[Horatio]

Nick Gage is not a "hybrid type" who can actually wrestle though.

The question is....are fans of his truly drawn into a possible redemption story or are they just fucked up people?
That's a great question. Coming up with MDK cult is truly psychotic and probably only legal in the wrestling world AND i can't believe people are expecting him to do his thing on cable. It's really not a laughing matter.

I'm honestly feeling backed up against a wall waiting to see what he and Jericho can pull off.
I am more than happy for Gage for kicking heroin, even if he had to go through incarceration to do it (i was forced to clean up the same way and that's part of why I'M glad to be under the law). But yeah, i haven't seen him put on a good match where he actually came off as good as his opponent.

The one hope I've got going into next week's Dynamite is knowing that Gage can't possibly go any lower. He SHOULD just go in and job and be grateful for the hype he'll get going into his indy bookings.
And actually, i guess I can't see Jericho letting this kid fuck up the biggest opportunity of his career. The Painmaker should squash him and get his own gimmick over, because MDK is not good, or cute, or funny, it's depressing.

This is only like Vince bringing in Foley in that it's got some fucked up people wanting to see fucked up things.
But you can count me in as one hoping the best for Gage and his recovery. Every day is a fight.

[Nash Diesel]

That's a great question. Coming up with MDK cult is truly psychotic and probably only legal in the wrestling world AND i can't believe people are expecting him to do his thing on cable. It's really not a laughing matter.

I'm honestly feeling backed up against a wall waiting to see what he and Jericho can pull off.
I am more than happy for Gage for kicking heroin, even if he had to go through incarceration to do it (i was forced to clean up the same way and that's part of why I'M glad to be under the law). But yeah, i haven't seen him put on a good match where he actually came off as good as his opponent.

The one hope I've got going into next week's Dynamite is knowing that Gage can't possibly go any lower. He SHOULD just go in and job and be grateful for the hype he'll get going into his indy bookings.
And actually, i guess I can't see Jericho letting this kid fuck up the biggest opportunity of his career. The Painmaker should squash him and get his own gimmick over, because MDK is not good, or cute, or funny, it's depressing.

This is only like Vince bringing in Foley in that it's got some fucked up people wanting to see fucked up things.
But you can count me in as one hoping the best for Gage and his recovery. Every day is a fight.

It's absolutely nothing like Vince bringing in Mick Foley. We need to ease back on the comparisons.

Jericho isn't a noob to hardcore wrestling. And what Nick Gage does is easily replicated. I've been watching idiots like Nick Gage since the late 90's backyard wrestling tape trade phase.

It's kind of sad the anticipation for someone like Nick Gage but I saw the same stuff with Necro Butcher in terms of fans with the desire to see that dude do his thing. Like I said, I'm a huge deathmatch fan but that doesn't mean I like everyone. I'm not jerking off to Abdhullah the Kobyashi or whoever the fuck you spell it. I'm not a fan of Madman Pondo. I can live with Nick Gage v. Chris Jericho, I just hope this is it like when Jeff Cobb wrestled Moxley-not saying Cobb=Gage just the concept of a one-off.

[Horatio]

It's absolutely nothing like Vince bringing in Mick Foley.

And what Nick Gage does is easily replicated.

Exactly. Foley could work.

Another good point. I don't think people realize there's guys getting their head skewered on a weekly basis; they just saw Dark Side of the Ring and want to cheer this guy as an underdog.
Or they're actual MDK retardo-fans wanting to see hardcore wrestling get taken to the next level, and the next, and so-on...

[Nash Diesel]

Exactly. Foley could work.

Another good point. I don't think people realize there's guys getting their head skewered on a weekly basis; they just saw Dark Side of the Ring and want to cheer this guy as an underdog.
Or they're actual MDK retardo-fans wanting to see hardcore wrestling get taken to the next level, and the next, and so-on...

I think there's something to be said about fans who praise workers who go into business for themselves at the expense of another person they might not like.

The Nick Gage-Arquette situation wasn't a work. When 2 wrestlers enter the ring, and one of them decides to shoot on the other under the guise that they're cool....I can't respect that. That's a big reason why I don't respect New Jack.

[Horatio]

I think there's something to be said about fans who praise workers who go into business for themselves at the expense of another person they might not like.

The Nick Gage-Arquette situation wasn't a work. When 2 wrestlers enter the ring, and one of them decides to shoot on the other under the guise that they're cool....I can't respect that. That's a big reason why I don't respect New Jack.
Gage definitely has mental health issues; I don't know why he didn't get arrested for that shit. He could be receiving treatment by now, but I haven't heard that the courts demanded it of him. I feel you, but it's a Don't hate the player, hate the game sort of thing for me.

[mr sabu]

I expect wwe sales ti go way down with punk and bryan signing to aew..

[Defrost]

i don't think people on these forums cared about ratings until AEW started right? i mean the ratings would always be shared but it seems like fans on twitter live and die by them the minute they come out

There was a pretty famous wrestling war over this. Fuck since so many people ended up dying it was damn near a literal war.

[Donald]

Imagine how you'd feel watching these shows without knowing who was going to debut. You'd lose your fucking mind.

[Nash Diesel]

Imagine how you'd feel watching these shows without knowing who was going to debut. You'd lose your fucking mind.

I remember 1996 being the year that I started reading stuff on the internet plus the hotlines. Thank God wrestling mags were usually 2-3 months behind because there are several mags I have with the covers talking about Diesel and Razor are heading to WCW--Problem is, the stories were from March/April but the mag didn't drop until July lol. So by the time THE WRESTLER made it on the stands with "Diesel v. Hulk Hogan planned for Bash at the Beach", we were already deep in the Hogan turn.

[Bert]

Imagine how you'd feel watching these shows without knowing who was going to debut. You'd lose your fucking mind.

That's how Moxleys debut was. I had no idea on Matt Sydal. I hoped for Ethan Page. The Tommy End/Malaki Black debut kind of happened like that too because even though I thought the lights going out was a work the first time I kept thinking about who it could possibly be for because I thought everyone had 90 day no competes. It's still not real to me for Punk and Bryan until we see them on TV even if it's "confirmed" now.

[Nash Diesel]

I try to be shocked even if it's something like Black's debut. Problem is, I kind of expected these dudes to show up. I wasn't shocked when Moxley showed up, a little surprised he lied saying he was going to retire but hey, Nash said the same shit back in 93 to get out of WCW so I can't hate lol.

[Badger]

Imagine how you'd feel watching these shows without knowing who was going to debut. You'd lose your fucking mind.

Stayed off the internet the time Bischoff debuted in WWE and it was fucking great seeing it having no clue.

Love Bryan…merely curious if or when it’s official with Punk and how it will go if it happens.

[virms]

Punk and Bryan. I'm gonna make time to watch aew it seems

[Bert]

Stayed off the internet the time Bischoff debuted in WWE and it was fucking great seeing it having no clue.

Love Bryan…merely curious if or when it’s official with Punk and how it will go if it happens.

Pretty much everywhere is saying it's official now and I would expect something to happen during their string of Chicago shows before All Out September 5th to draw more ppv numbers. September 1st is Dynamite in Chicago and September 3rd is Rampage in Chicago. I'm interested to see how this Rampage show is going to work. Will it be separate storylines just on that show or will it be carrying them over from Dynamite?

[Ringo]

Matt Cardona beat Nick Gage for the GCW title. Huge heat, got pelted with drinks and trash as he celebrated in the ring. Jericho's music played and some random came out to distract Gage.

https://twitter.com/ColbsMMA/status/1419143232584302593?s=19

[Hero!]

Danhausen came out to Jericho’s theme for a match against Suge D (Pineapple Pete) last night.

judas was everywhere

[Tainted Eclipse]

that was cool. people who whine about trash throwing are DORKS.

[Badger]

Danhausen came out to Jericho’s theme for a match against Suge D (Pineapple Pete) last night.

judas was everywhere

Not seen him post in a while though. :p

[Hero!]

that was cool. people who whine about trash throwing are DORKS.

lol Meltzer is so mad about it. I don’t know why, it’s the hottest thing I’ve seen in years.


Not seen him post in a while though. :p

you motherfu— that was good.

[Nash Diesel]

Matt Cardona beat Nick Gage for the GCW title. Huge heat, got pelted with drinks and trash as he celebrated in the ring. Jericho's music played and some random came out to distract Gage.

https://twitter.com/ColbsMMA/status/1419143232584302593?s=19

And I thought Hogan turning heel and some of the early JCW events pissed off fans with the level of garbage they hit him with. I was watching it Gage-style and just thinking damn, how did the WWE not see this guy as a top heel? I guess I always pictured him as a top tier babyface, I always thought him v. a heel Ziggler could've been HUGE. Once again I've been proved wrong.

He just took GCW to the next level. I was already thinking damn, how did they even get this guy to agree to work for them? Now I see why. Give him the ball, he can dunk it from half court.

[Donald]

Maybe with this AEW money Gage is getting he can afford a dentist.

[Badger]

Maybe with this AEW money Gage is getting he can afford a dentist.

He should get the absolute best dental care money can buy in Dr Isaac Yankem. :yes:

[Bert]

He should get the absolute best dental care money can buy in Dr Isaac Yankem. :yes:

No sir, Dr. Britt Baker DMD has this covered.

[Badger]

No sir, Dr. Britt Baker DMD has this covered.

True but I also wanted to go old school a bit for Donald.

[Donald]

I feel like Britt Baker should have a chef gimmick.

[Badger]

I feel like Britt Baker should have a chef gimmick.

With her finisher being the Great Brittish Bake Off!

[Bert]

I feel like Britt Baker should have a chef gimmick.

Red Velvet would call gimmick infringement.

[kdestiny]

With her finisher being the Great Brittish Bake Off!

:getout:

[Nash Diesel]

AEW does have a lot of gimmicks that scream 1995. Their world champion sweeps for a living it's kind of sad the pay isn't what people think it's cracked up to be.

[Hero!]

You think that's bad, their first world champion had a side gig as a bad musician.

The second guy was so broke he had to go to Japan and underground shoot fighting programs to earn a wage.


Come on TK, pay these boys!

[Nash Diesel]

You think that's bad, their first world champion had a side gig as a bad musician.

The second guy was so broke he had to go to Japan and underground shoot fighting programs to earn a wage.


Come on TK, pay these boys!

lol

He should've paid Moxley NOT to shave his head like that. Dude looks like 55 and ready to wash my car.

[Hero!]

his hairline was gone, gone, gone. He just needs to take it all the way clean though.

[Nash Diesel]

his hairline was gone, gone, gone. He just needs to take it all the way clean though.

Well now that Chavo is there he could probably get the hook up on new hair.

[Hero!]

I took the plunge last year with shaving my head and I'll never go back. I can still grow a thick head of hair, but the hairline was starting to look all jagged, so I said fuck it and just buzzed it all down...now I shave my damn head every other day cause I don't even wanna see stubble.

My wife got me this head shaver gimmick for my birthday last year and that shit is the best. Just lather up some barbasol on the dome and go to town with this shaver and VOILA, nice shiny bald head.

[Donald]

I hate having short hair, but then I always hated growing it out too, so I'd get a buzz cut then let it grow for 6-7 months and then get another buzz cut. But since the pandemic I've gone 20 months without a haircut because I don't have to go to an office, and I'm loving the long hair. I'm sure when I go back to the office all I'll have to do is maintain it so it looks presentable. The beard though they may not be happy with. Haven't shaved since January.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I still can't ever imagine cutting my hair. It helps that it grows wild and covers my face enough that I don't have to worry about hairlines for a while.

[BigAl]

For a long time I put my clippers on 0 and buzzed my head once every other week or so. Then I started going a barbershop to have them do it and to give me an edge up every weekend. That got expensive quick so then I went back to buzzing it myself. Now I let it grow long enough to tie up and once every few months get a little trim. But the moment I see my hairline is going or I notice a bald spot on the back of my head, I'm shaving it like Hero does.

[Bert]

Loved the opening. Of course Gallows is wearing a jersey that says 69. :lol:

[Bert]

Listen to that Johnny Hungie chant.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I can't wait for John Silver to get the token midcard push

[Tainted Eclipse]

they cant really be thinking of NOT giving hangman the belt at all out, can they? that would be a terrible, awful decision.

[Bert]

I feel like some of you just came after seeing that dude.

[Bert]

they cant really be thinking of NOT giving hangman the belt at all out, can they? that would be a terrible, awful decision.

I agree. The stipulation tonight was he couldn't challenge Kenny for the belt if he lost though so what do they now? A non title match that he wins first and then he gets a shot at the title again?

[Tainted Eclipse]

it's almost unimaginably dumb to not follow through with page beating omega at all out at this point.

[JuveLeo]

AEW Rampage debuts in Chicago... I guess that's where CM Punk will show up

[Hero!]

Oh fuck I am so excited

[Hero!]

I feel like some of you just came after seeing that dude.

tanahashi? Yes and I’d do it again.

[Bert]

"Be there if you're the best in the world."
https://media1.tenor.com/images/618c1ccdb2b125769e1fab068a072f95/tenor.gif

[Morrison]

AEW Rampage debuts in Chicago... I guess that's where CM Punk will show up

it's not the debut show, it's the second show.

[Bert]

Isn't the first Rampage in Pittsburgh?

This will be the first Chicago show since going back on the road though. I'm so excited, I thought I'd have to wait til September.

[Bert]

The Black Mass on Fuego! Kicking Cody won't get him booed, kicking Fuego might. :lol:

[Defrost]

Yeah they're not running a building that size in that city that close to All Out if CM Punk isn't going to be there.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i like how nick gage AEW promos sound like he's reading off a cue card because he has to try REALLY hard not to curse

[JuveLeo]

it's not the debut show, it's the second show.

Oh, that's my bad. I thought Tony said debut

[JuveLeo]

Did they actually go to a commercial while Moxley was cutting a promo? Lol

[Defrost]

Did they actually go to a commercial while Moxley was cutting a promo? Lol

In Canada

[Bert]

Yeah, I saw the full promo.

Gage needs to get some weapons out.

[JuveLeo]

Ahhh lol. Damn TSN

[Tainted Eclipse]

the main event was a nick gage match followed by a juventud guerrera announcement

[Bert]

Juvie better come out on a riding lawnmower.

[JuveLeo]

How's the Juice looking these days?

[Hero!]

How's the Juice looking these days?

fucking JACKED and wears his mask again

[Defrost]

So this show set up future matches between Darby Allin and CM Punk, Jon Moxley and Hiroshi Tanahashi, & Chris Jericho and Juventud Guerrera.

[Sasori]

I agree. The stipulation tonight was he couldn't challenge Kenny for the belt if he lost though so what do they now? A non title match that he wins first and then he gets a shot at the title again?


it's almost unimaginably dumb to not follow through with page beating omega at all out at this point.

From what I've heard, there's still matches they want to do like Omega v Christian. They had to address Hangman's consistent ranking and find a way to delay the inevitable title match. I'd prefer to see the title on Hangman sooner rather than later, but TK likes to play the long game.

[Tainted Eclipse]

there's no excuse for not pulling the trigger on page at all out. he's too over, it's too perfect, the crowd wants it too bad.

[JuveLeo]

fucking JACKED and wears his mask again

Sick! I'm excited to see him. I was hoping he wasn't a fat slob, lol.

[Morrison]

there's no excuse for not pulling the trigger on page at all out. he's too over, it's too perfect, the crowd wants it too bad.

not too long ago you were saying page needs to win the title completely on his own and to leave the dark order out of it. im willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the dudes putting on awesome wrestling shows every week.

[Defrost]

New Japan announced that the match between Archer and Tanahashi will be at the show in LA.

[Bert]

Apparently there was a Domino's commercial right after the pizza cutter spot. :lol:

[Hero!]

Watching the Page/Dark Order video package/entrance again and getting chills.

that was fucking awesome

[Nash Diesel]

the main event was a nick gage match followed by a juventud guerrera announcement

This reads like something you wouldn't expect to say when talking about arguably the best wrestling show in 2021.

If that was a headline on the main page I'd click it thinking this was some super local promotion trying to gas up a return of Juvi Juice of all people. One piece of trash after the next. Is that the point of this thing? Is there something fucked up about Shawn Spears--does he beat Peyton Royce on a daily? Did he rob a pregnant mother for rocks? Just curious what MJF's approach is with picking opponents.

[Bert]

What has Juvie done?

[Nash Diesel]

What has Juvie done?

Got his ass beat by Jack Evans so that right there disqualifies you from life.

[Bert]

Got his ass beat by Jack Evans so that right there disqualifies you from life.

Just read the story and that doesn't sound like what happened to me. Konnan was really the instigator from what I read and this happened in 2009.

[Donald]

Looks like Chris Jericho is once again going to go down south and beat some jabroni named Juventud.

[Nash Diesel]

Just read the story and that doesn't sound like what happened to me. Konnan was really the instigator from what I read and this happened in 2009.

What it sounds like to YOU and what really happened, which was Juvi got that work by Jack Evans, are two different things.

[Nash Diesel]

My bad PB....

Juventud???? No fucking way!! Class act and a great wrestler. One of the most memorable feuds in WCW history was the Jericho-Juvi feud. Plus, who could forget his legendary CW title run in WWE when he was part of Mexicools.

[Badger]

I love the WCW feud callback.

I’m not sure what they’re doing with Page with that stipulation unless he just earns his way back into the rankings but is he just number 6 now due to his otherwise great win-loss? Fun match but disagree with that outcome.

He should be the one to dethrone Omega.

[Defrost]

Meltzer is under the impression it's Moxley vs Tanahashi at All Out.

So your top four matches for that show would be Omega vs Page, Punk vs Darby, Jericho vs MJF, and Mox vs Tana.

[PurePlayer]

I love the WCW feud callback.

I’m not sure what they’re doing with Page with that stipulation unless he just earns his way back into the rankings but is he just number 6 now due to his otherwise great win-loss? Fun match but disagree with that outcome.

He should be the one to dethrone Omega.

there's still like 5 weeks before the ppv. also, it's possible plans change when you sign Danielson and Punk.

[Nash Diesel]

For me he's really the only option if they want to really put someone on the map. I'm not saying Kenny Omega is a household name, I'm not even saying Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley is a household name but in the wrestling community they're huge. Adam Page is not on their level and I think AEW putting someone like Adam Page on top for awhile would be good for them. If they weren't going to go with MJF, Orange, Jungle Boy or even Darby Allin at this point then Page should be it. Ditch the Dark Order, win the title from Omega, and go into a feud with MJF. Establish these 2 men as your future.

Adam Page still lacks charisma, the Dark Order do him zero favors. I think Page just needs more time on the mic and if he's still a little rough oh well. Bret Hart's promos were pretty weak until 1996 when he just started shooting from the hip. That's why I say go right into a feud with MJF because that guy can talk and he's ready to be the man. He wasn't fully there in the Mox feud, but he's been there long enough and established himself as the top heel.

[Nash Diesel]

Is Darby's "best in the world" comment toward CM Punk or possibly Bryan Danielson? Before Jericho and Punk were using the moniker, American Dragon was getting it chanted everywhere he went pre-WWE.

[Hero!]

Meltzer is under the impression it's Moxley vs Tanahashi at All Out.

So your top four matches for that show would be Omega vs Page, Punk vs Darby, Jericho vs MJF, and Mox vs Tana.

I am very interested in all of these

[Bert]

Is Darby's "best in the world" comment toward CM Punk or possibly Bryan Danielson? Before Jericho and Punk were using the moniker, American Dragon was getting it chanted everywhere he went pre-WWE.

They would be stupid not to have Punk show up in Chicago though.

[Nash Diesel]

They would be stupid not to have Punk show up in Chicago though.

The asshole in me wants the Punk talk to fizzle out and be nothing. I've explained a few times how I'm not keen on him coming back after 7 years and offering something that is the same shit we've been seeing. Punk's routine doesn't work if everyone else on the roster does it, even if they do a very weak version of it. I'm worried his work will be lackluster. Upside is he was never super clean like Styles or Danielson so if he is a little sloppy that's out of the ordinary but again....I see a dude who was already losing a step due to injuries, he dipped into MMA for a long time, he's had an in-ring return in the rearview for a grip.

And he could easily kill all of my fears and put on some great matches at this stage in his life. I'm just preparing for the worst. More often than not when you see someone out this long, it isn't what you remember by any stretch when they do return.

[Defrost]

Oh if you're afraid Punk won't live up to the hype that is already here not even mentioning what it will be like once he's been officially announced then you have good instincts. Especially since just listening to what he's said this feels like a total cash grab.

[Nash Diesel]

Oh if you're afraid Punk won't live up to the hype that is already here not even mentioning what it will be like once he's been officially announced then you have good instincts. Especially since just listening to what he's said this feels like a total cash grab.

I just don't want to see my favorite wrestler of the modern era come back and blow his knee trying to springboard clothesline Scorpio Sky.

Yeah, Punk is definitely about the money. That might be his downfall. Definitely the one thing AEW doesn't have to worry about is money which is the #1 thing people said would be needed to really be a factor in pro wrestling these days. Punk saw that from the jump but man, I just don't know if this live action WWE 2K video game is the right choice.

[Bert]

Rumor regarding who's joining Britt Baker:
Sounds like the former Iconics will be joining AEW forming a stable with Britt Baker and Rebel.

I think it sounds likely, they were released in April, and I love the sound of it.

[Defrost]

Who are they?

[Nash Diesel]

Rumor regarding who's joining Britt Baker:
Sounds like the former Iconics will be joining AEW forming a stable with Britt Baker and Rebel.

I think it sounds likely, they were released in April, and I love the sound of it.

Were you a fan prior?

[Bert]

Were you a fan prior?

Yeah.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah.

Spoiler alert, so was I lol

[Bert]

I saw something about a ratings drop but it was from 1.148 last week to 1.108 last night, so it's still over a million. :dunno:

[Hero!]

1.11 mill. Not too shabby!

[Bert]

I just hope they get a good rating for Rampage with it being on a Friday. It's also only an hour, right?

[Hero!]

Should be good, they’ll prob have a big card that night and pull the trigger on Phil or Bryan debuting

[Nash Diesel]

I just hope they get a good rating for Rampage with it being on a Friday. It's also only an hour, right?

Plus it's on after SD, correct? If so, that's kinda cool you get to watch SD and then Rampage so 3 hours but 2 different companies. So the time slot isn't the greatest if it's in fact 10pm EST but you never know.

Right now AEW is feeling like when I buy a new WWE game and immediately go to community creations lol. Holy fucking shit they have a lot of people on the roster for the sake of having people on the roster. The joys of a never-ending bank account, I'd be doing the same shit. Their roster has to be almost the same size as all WWE brands combined.

[Nash Diesel]

I saw something about a ratings drop but it was from 1.148 last week to 1.108 last night, so it's still over a million. :dunno:

Is that good?

[Nash Diesel]

Should be good, they’ll prob have a big card that night and pull the trigger on Phil or Bryan debuting

You think? They'd have to hype it up. 10pm on a Friday night? Eh, I expect too much out of wrestling fans to have lives so yeah it probably will have the debut of one of them. I definitely see them debuting within a week of each other if not the same week but one Dynamite the other on Rampage.

[Bert]

Is that good?

Over a million is good.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Honestly, for as fucked in the head as Tony Khan is for bringing in the bank addicted drug robber Nick Gage, I give Chris Jericho at least a tiny bit of credit for playing along with the crackhead wonderfuck's little reindeer games. Jericho's at a place in his career where he literally never has to do anything he doesn't absolutely, positively want to. So The Covid Judas taking lightbulb tubes to the dome and blading for somebody who looks like every white trash scumfuck arrested on "COPS" for trying to kick down his ex-girlfriend's door while high on paint thinner and crystal meth, really meant that Jericho was all for it. And even though he looks like an angry, bloated mime cosplaying as Rob Halford from Judas Priest, Jericho went all-in. He didn't pussyfoot around. And the right guy went over. Jericho might have spewed "the mist" like a beached whale expelling bilge water from its blowhole, and the Judas Effect elbow has all the impact of a strong gust of wind, but the right guy went over.

Now give Nick Gage his $40, a baggie of weed, and a bus ticket back to Methtown, New Jersey and tell him to fuck off and never come back. We've indulged him, now its time for Jericho, as bloated and and Meatloaf-ish as he is, to get back to wrestling the grownups.

[Bert]

Domino's has disavowed AEW and said they're considering pulling their ad spots after the pizza cutter spot picture in picture with their ad. :lol:

[chatty]

The asshole in me wants the Punk talk to fizzle out and be nothing. I've explained a few times how I'm not keen on him coming back after 7 years and offering something that is the same shit we've been seeing. Punk's routine doesn't work if everyone else on the roster does it, even if they do a very weak version of it. I'm worried his work will be lackluster. Upside is he was never super clean like Styles or Danielson so if he is a little sloppy that's out of the ordinary but again....I see a dude who was already losing a step due to injuries, he dipped into MMA for a long time, he's had an in-ring return in the rearview for a grip.

And he could easily kill all of my fears and put on some great matches at this stage in his life. I'm just preparing for the worst. More often than not when you see someone out this long, it isn't what you remember by any stretch when they do return.

If he's taking it seriously he'll have been hitting up some wrestling school and getting hismelf into great shape and wearing the rust of.

He's only 42 so should still be able to go for another 5-10 years and the rest period might have done him good on the injury front. It's been quite a while since he even did the MMA stuff.

I think if they work it right then he should be fine match wise. He doesn't need to wrestle that often, just keep him for big matches against Omega, Bryan, Moxley, Cody, Andrade, Penta/Fenix, Miro, Black, PAC, MJF at first. Maybes a tag match with the Bucks at somepoint. I'd prob keep him away from Jericho as they had a fairly long rivalry in WWE and I don't think they'd be capable of doing much better at this point.

Then hopefully they can build up to the likes of Guevara and Starks and the like if they can establish themselves as top carders.

[Hero!]

I assume he was working on ring stuff when working on Heels and “internet rumorz” indicate that 1 or 2 people have been training with him on the low for the last few months.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Currently waiting in queue to check the prices of these "First Dance" tickets. I already blew money on Dynamite and Rampage in September, but this event kind of begs to make an exception for it.

EDIT: Aaaaaand purchased :cool:

[Nash Diesel]

If he's taking it seriously he'll have been hitting up some wrestling school and getting hismelf into great shape and wearing the rust of.

He's only 42 so should still be able to go for another 5-10 years and the rest period might have done him good on the injury front. It's been quite a while since he even did the MMA stuff.

I think if they work it right then he should be fine match wise. He doesn't need to wrestle that often, just keep him for big matches against Omega, Bryan, Moxley, Cody, Andrade, Penta/Fenix, Miro, Black, PAC, MJF at first. Maybes a tag match with the Bucks at somepoint. I'd prob keep him away from Jericho as they had a fairly long rivalry in WWE and I don't think they'd be capable of doing much better at this point.

Then hopefully they can build up to the likes of Guevara and Starks and the like if they can establish themselves as top carders.

I don't know. He's had some serious injuries not just in wrestling but while training. He might "only" be 42 but I don't see him wrestling another 5-10 years. He was already breaking down pretty easily prior to stepping away and again, he's had injuries while training MMA and who knows what doesn't get reported.

The upside is there, but I'm preparing myself for the worst so that way I can be somewhat happy even if it's a truly shitty performance. I usually do that with my favorites. When Kevin Nash came back and worked that ladder match against Triple H I did everything I could to convince myself it was ok. It actually didn't suck but who knows that might be the low expectations I had going in lol.

[Defrost]

Yeah United Center is gonna sell out

[Nash Diesel]

Does it somewhat takeaway from the shock of CM Punk returning to wrestling with all these hints? Or are the AEW bookers smart in having their talent drop hints because of how fans are with needing to know beforehand? A lot of fans say they like being surprised, they don't. The fans that are left at least.

[Defrost]

The goal is to make money. Saving Punk for a surprise doesn't sell out United Center.

[Bert]

Currently waiting in queue to check the prices of these "First Dance" tickets. I already blew money on Dynamite and Rampage in September, but this event kind of begs to make an exception for it.

EDIT: Aaaaaand purchased :cool:

Congrats dude. Maybe the system is better now, I spent like 2 hours trying to get tickets for Revolution last year and bots got them all.

[Nash Diesel]

The goal is to make money. Saving Punk for a surprise doesn't sell out United Center.

I disagree with the part about Punk. The last 3 years that they've been in Chicago the fans start wondering, is he coming back?? Danielson's name was also mentioned as a possible debut. THey'd sell out regardless.

[Bert]

I disagree with the part about Punk. The last 3 years that they've been in Chicago the fans start wondering, is he coming back?? Danielson's name was also mentioned as a possible debut. THey'd sell out regardless.

How many more seats is United Center compared to where they usually run shows? Is this the biggest venue they've ever ran?

[Psycho666Soldier]

Yeah, half the arena has sold already according to Meltzer. Pretty insane.

I think Punk showing up as a shock/surprise would be cool, but there's also nothing wrong with advertising it low-key. Most of us already know the rumors. And they haven't directly said Punk will show up, so the marketing is still intriguing. There's still that small chance that this is all a troll job/red herring and something else happens.


Congrats dude. Maybe the system is better now, I spent like 2 hours trying to get tickets for Revolution last year and bots got them all.

Not sure how it was then, and this time was still kind of annoying, but not sure if it's because tickets were selling that fast or the system was confused. Past waiting in the queue, it probably took me like 10 minutes to finally purchase some decent tickets.

[Nash Diesel]

How many more seats is United Center compared to where they usually run shows? Is this the biggest venue they've ever ran?

23,000+ seats but IDK how many they'll actually have for wrestling considering the stage, ring, etc.

Right now they're running the NOW which seats about 11,000. I mean fuck, I think AEW could sell out the United Center with the current roster.

I'm officially convinced he's coming back. Part of me thinks the Danielson talk is just talk at the moment. But I definitely think the idea that one or both could show up in Chicago is enough to sell it out.

[Psycho666Soldier]

How many more seats is United Center compared to where they usually run shows? Is this the biggest venue they've ever ran?

Wintrust Arena(Revolution from last year's venue) is a roughly 10-11k capacity for comparison, whereas the United Center is 20k+. I'm pretty sure it's the biggest venue they've done so far.

[Morrison]

yeah, this will be their biggest. had covid not been a thing, and they got to run blood and guts at the prudential center last year, that would've been the biggest.

the rescheduled philly date from last april is october 6th. im almost glad covid pushed it back so far, cause now i dont gotta scramble to get tickets for that show, filled with all the fall out of this crazy two months that's about to happen. fingers crossed the delta variant holds the fuck off until after that.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It's actually pretty impressive how AEW was able to carry the momentum through the pandemic to come out of it hotter than ever. Even if it ends up burning out quick, props to them for taking enough advantage of the pandemic to keep the product interesting.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah I figured that the more and more WWE talent they were signing and the other established talents from various promotions coming in for one offs would have turned fans off.

Just kidding. It's not a shock that the more and more established talent that comes to AEW the more people will be interested. Storylines are pretty shit in AEW, but the variety is what really sells it for me. It's nice not to see Jon Moxley v. Kenny Omega for 3 weeks in a row and then they wrestle on the ppv, then another 3-4 weeks of Kenny v. Jon on Dynamite.

[chatty]

How does IP work for entrance music. Like Punks is Living Colour song and Bryan's is a classic by Wagner. So in those cases do WWE pay a fee and then IP the songs so they can only be used in WWE or can AEW pay the band/Up on them should WWE have reliquished any IP rights and be able to use them as well?

I'm taking they can't as I can't remember any wrestlers bar when WWE obtained WCWs full package going across anywhere else and using the theme tunes but for the most part WWE uses their own music people and I think WCW did to a lesser extent.

It just so happens with these two WWE didn't use their own music for the songs they are most notable for.

Would be pretty amazing if Living Colour blasted out upon return.

[chatty]

I'd also like one of them to announce themselves during some chaos. Most of AEWs new signings show up as an announcement or some sort of promo. I think the impact of a debut or return is so much better when there is a melee and then they come down and clear house.

[Bert]

How does IP work for entrance music. Like Punks is Living Colour song and Bryan's is a classic by Wagner. So in those cases do WWE pay a fee and then IP the songs so they can only be used in WWE or can AEW pay the band/Up on them should WWE have reliquished any IP rights and be able to use them as well?

I'm taking they can't as I can't remember any wrestlers bar when WWE obtained WCWs full package going across anywhere else and using the theme tunes but for the most part WWE uses their own music people and I think WCW did to a lesser extent.

It just so happens with these two WWE didn't use their own music for the songs they are most notable for.

Would be pretty amazing if Living Colour blasted out upon return.

WWE was licensing Cult of Personality when Punk was in WWE.

AEW should be able to license Cult of Personality without issue, from what I understand. He also used it in UFC.

I think Flight of the Valkyries is actually royalty free so anyone can use it. I would like Tony Kahn to see how much The Final Countdown is though. This is the American Dragon Bryan Danielson, not Daniel Bryan.

[Psycho666Soldier]

How does IP work for entrance music. Like Punks is Living Colour song and Bryan's is a classic by Wagner. So in those cases do WWE pay a fee and then IP the songs so they can only be used in WWE or can AEW pay the band/Up on them should WWE have reliquished any IP rights and be able to use them as well?

I'm taking they can't as I can't remember any wrestlers bar when WWE obtained WCWs full package going across anywhere else and using the theme tunes but for the most part WWE uses their own music people and I think WCW did to a lesser extent.

It just so happens with these two WWE didn't use their own music for the songs they are most notable for.

Would be pretty amazing if Living Colour blasted out upon return.

If they don't outright give them something new, they could go back to their ROH themes. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Bryan come out to The Final Countdown.

Punk coming out to AFI might be a bit out of place nowadays, though.

[Bert]

I'll eat Jim Ross's hat if Punk doesn't come out to Cult of Personality.

[Donald]

I'll eat Jim Ross's hat if Punk doesn't come out to Cult of Personality.

With BBQ Sauce?

[Nash Diesel]

WWE was licensing Cult of Personality when Punk was in WWE.

AEW should be able to license Cult of Personality without issue, from what I understand. He also used it in UFC.

I think Flight of the Valkyries is actually royalty free so anyone can use it. I would like Tony Kahn to see how much The Final Countdown is though. This is the American Dragon Bryan Danielson, not Daniel Bryan.

You can come out to anything in the UFC. Something about it being live. That's why Hogan could come out to Voodoo Chile at WrestleMania but everything released has Real American. Kind of odd watching him air guitar out of synch.

[VHS]

You can come out to anything in the UFC. Something about it being live. That's why Hogan could come out to Voodoo Chile at WrestleMania but everything released has Real American. Kind of odd watching him air guitar out of synch.

It being live, that doesn't fly. Bischoff had to go through licensing for Voodoo Child, I believe he went through Hendrix's sis to get the deal done.

But UFC though, hooo boy they dodge this by a hair. So they have rights to the broadcasting, but only rights to the broadcast itself. Any RE-broadcasting or re-streamns or DVD sales etc. they will dub over other music to avoid royalty issues. It's always such a mess.

[chatty]

Now rumours that Brock Lesnar has signed up to AEW. No idea if it's just people running with the latest news and trying to get a few clicks or if it has any truth to it but imagine that trio of signings. Would be a hell of a statement.

[Morrison]

the rumor is that he isn't signed.

[Bert]

The rumor I heard was he signed with someone other than WWE, which means UFC to fight Ngannou probably.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/T8pvzy4.jpg

That makes things make more sense.

[Nash Diesel]

It being live, that doesn't fly. Bischoff had to go through licensing for Voodoo Child, I believe he went through Hendrix's sis to get the deal done.

But UFC though, hooo boy they dodge this by a hair. So they have rights to the broadcasting, but only rights to the broadcast itself. Any RE-broadcasting or re-streamns or DVD sales etc. they will dub over other music to avoid royalty issues. It's always such a mess.

You explained it much better lol. My best friend's band was on a few of the 2008-20012 era DVDs. One time I believe they were Chuck Liddell's entrance on one of the DVD's but you could still hear DMX in the background very faintly. Their manager would send in like 4 songs and the UFC would splice them up and scatter them throughout. Pretty cool.

[Nash Diesel]

https://i.imgur.com/T8pvzy4.jpg

That makes things make more sense.

So it's all for nothing? Man, as a father of 4 I'd like to think whether it was #1 or #4 that if I was about to live my dream, main event the biggest ppv in AEW history while also winning the World title that my wife would understand lol. But on the other hand....I guess we can get another 15-16 tweets out of that dude explaining that this was the plan the whole time. Page purposely knocked up his wife, all that shit so he could dedicate it to his newborn child!!

I just want this dude to win the title so we can see what he brings to the table. We knew 10-20 years ago what Jericho, Mox, and Omega bring. Time for fresh blood.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Kenny Omega wrestled a 9-year old once, right?

Maybe they're swerving us. Hangman's having a kid so Hangman Page Jr. can wrestle Twinkle Toes McFingerFuck on AEW's next pay-per-view? It'll be the first ever "Grown Adult vs. Newborn Baby" match in wrestling history.

[Hero!]

So it's all for nothing? Man, as a father of 4 I'd like to think whether it was #1 or #4 that if I was about to live my dream, main event the biggest ppv in AEW history while also winning the World title that my wife would understand lol. But on the other hand....I guess we can get another 15-16 tweets out of that dude explaining that this was the plan the whole time. Page purposely knocked up his wife, all that shit so he could dedicate it to his newborn child!!

I just want this dude to win the title so we can see what he brings to the table. We knew 10-20 years ago what Jericho, Mox, and Omega bring. Time for fresh blood.

What.


it’s his first kid and I think being a dad is more important than a wrestling title. Maybe that’s just me.

[VHS]

Sounds like Page has his priorities straight, that alone deserves high respeccs.

[Nash Diesel]

What.


it’s his first kid and I think being a dad is more important than a wrestling title. Maybe that’s just me.

It's just you and the guy with no kids that thinks he's a VCR.

[Nash Diesel]

Kenny Omega wrestled a 9-year old once, right?

Maybe they're swerving us. Hangman's having a kid so Hangman Page Jr. can wrestle Twinkle Toes McFingerFuck on AEW's next pay-per-view? It'll be the first ever "Grown Adult vs. Newborn Baby" match in wrestling history.

If they don't give Page's wife a Canadian Destroyer...

[Bert]

Real life is definitely more important than wrestling.

[Nash Diesel]

Real life is definitely more important than wrestling.

Question, and maybe I'm completely misinformed....What pays the bills?

[Bert]

Question, and maybe I'm completely misinformed....What pays the bills?

I think he gets paid pretty well. Missing a few shows won't hurt. He probably saves anyway, doesn't seem like he has an extravagant life style.

[Nash Diesel]

I think he gets paid pretty well. Missing a few shows won't hurt. He probably saves anyway, doesn't seem like he has an extravagant life style.

Or he doesn't get paid that well and has to live that same ROH lifestyle. Now another mouth to feed and he's turning down the title?

[Bert]

Do you think the title gets people more money? Do they get it from the pay window?

[Nash Diesel]

Do you think the title gets people more money? Do they get it from the pay window?

There used to be a time where being the champ did get you more money...I guess that just shows you that you could be a Kenny Omega or a Player Uno and it doesn't really matter if you are the champion.