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[Nash Diesel]

Bakers promo was very well written just not executed that well. She's still young so plenty of time to grow.

Was it a script or did she freestyle? I guess I haven't heard of anyone writing promos for talent.

[Sasori]

Scripted or not, I thought Baker did just fine. Don't know how she could have done better.

[Donald]

She should go on the Great British Baking Show then she'd really be a Brit Baker.

Her interacting with "Paul Hollywood" Hulk Hogan would be great.

[Nash Diesel]

Nothing personal against Britt Baker but she has go away heat with me so I found a little sadistic joy in seeing her getting tossed into tacks in front of 7 people and Billy Gunn's family.

[Murphy]

Nothing personal against Britt Baker but she has go away heat with me so I found a little sadistic joy in seeing her getting tossed into tacks in front of 7 people and Billy Gunn's family.

:lol:

I kinda like, Britt myself.

[Peter Griffin]

Britt is one of the best things in AEW.

[Murphy]

I always get a little kick out of her and Tony's segments together. :yes:

I love Hikaru Shida with all my heart. :heart:

Big fan of Serena Deeb too. Love watching her wrestle.

Liking a bit of Tay Conti too.

Overall, I think they are getting there with the women's division. Oh, and Thunder Rosa! She's the next champion, surely.

[Peter Griffin]

For sure they now have the talent and the Rosa/Britt match was hopefully a good springboard for the division.

[Nash Diesel]

Britt is one of the best things in AEW.

The sad thing is, many people agree.

[Donald]

They also say MJF and Orange Cassidy are two of the best things about AEW. Is the bar that low?

[Peter Griffin]

The sad thing is, many people agree.

Why is it sad? Different strokes for different folks and all that.

[Nash Diesel]

They also say MJF and Orange Cassidy are two of the best things about AEW. Is the bar that low?

Extremely low depending on who you ask. I like MJF but there are some wrestlers who people have high opinions of that I'm just not feeling.


Why is it sad? Different strokes for different folks and all that.

Exactly, different strokes for different folks. So while I find it sad that there are many AEW fans who find Britt Baker one of the top talents, I don't. At all. There are a lot of people who could not care any less about Pentagon Jr or Moxley, I love those cats.

Now, if anyone starts stroking it to QT Marshall then I think we can all agree simply putting "AEW" next to someone's name doesn't exactly make them an immediate star.

[Hero!]

They also say MJF and Orange Cassidy are two of the best things about AEW. Is the bar that low?

Christ almighty dude, you don’t even watch AEW.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Extremely low depending on who you ask. I like MJF but there are some wrestlers who people have high opinions of that I'm just not feeling.



Exactly, different strokes for different folks. So while I find it sad that there are many AEW fans who find Britt Baker one of the top talents, I don't. At all. There are a lot of people who could not care any less about Pentagon Jr or Moxley, I love those cats.

Now, if anyone starts stroking it to QT Marshall then I think we can all agree simply putting "AEW" next to someone's name doesn't exactly make them an immediate star.

dude i love qt marshall

[Hero!]

dude i love qt marshall

Oh thank god, me too. He’s so fucking good.

[Ringo]

I love JD Drake

[Peter Griffin]

Oh thank god, me too. He’s so fucking good.

He was good in my book until he did Dustin dirty.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i want a full on qt marshall vs. dustin feud so bad

[Ringo]

The sunset in the background with the palm trees at Daily's Place looks incredible.

Big Show seems solid on commentary so far.

[Hero!]

He was good in my book until he did Dustin dirty.

classic heel, baybee


i want a full on qt marshall vs. dustin feud so bad

love it, I’m all in for it

[Ringo]

Bill Collier and Rex Lawless are great. They remind me of those WCW jobbers that were always massive.

[Peter Griffin]

Bill Collier and Rex Lawless are great. They remind me of those WCW jobbers that were always massive.

When you said this I immediately thought of Kenny Kaos.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW is to pro wrestling what QAnon is to Trumpers.

[Bert]

I don't see the correlation.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't see the correlation.

All I know is that Tony Khan has been to soapland.

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/UZyZvGLEvN8

I'm only posting this because Carlito is in the first 30 seconds.

[Nash Diesel]

Carlito's been getting his apples from the same guy Super Mario gets his mushrooms from. Must be that Mushroom Kingdom farmer's market.

[Bert]

AEWs going from all the tag teams to all the stables.

I do love Nick Comoroto though.

[Tainted Eclipse]

QT!!!! loved that angle

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/3S60i6e.jpg

[Bert]

Ooh a Sky and Page tag team.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i find everything going on with the bucks/omega/callis/good brothers totally uninteresting

[Bert]

Starting to feel like they rented these arcade games and aren't allowed to destroy them.

[Bert]

The fakest looking MK2 lol.

[Hero!]

QT with the Order 66 on the Nightmare Family, lucha six-man, Pinnacle beatdown, Christian/Kaz, and the arcade madness were all awesome. So many different storylines everywhere

[Sasori]

Miro looked like an absolute beast in the main event. The whole match was built around him and it took three guys to take him out.

[Hero!]

I like how Trent back, bigger than ever, and Miro still fucked him, OC, and Chuck up with ease.

[PurePlayer]

I would still like to see a Miro/Cassidy blow off match with Miro fucking him up. Miro can then move up the card.

[Hero!]

Once he’s done with the best friends, I need Miro absolutely battering Darby for the TNT title.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm glad that most of us agree that Rusev needs to be a monster and not a Billy Mitchell fanboy.

[Nash Diesel]

QT with the Order 66 on the Nightmare Family, lucha six-man, Pinnacle beatdown, Christian/Kaz, and the arcade madness were all awesome. So many different storylines everywhere

It's too bad more wrestling fans aren't excited about a promotion like you are about AEW.

Your mom could get decapitated by John Silver and you'd be like "THIS WAS THE GOAT SEGMENT!!!"

[Hero!]

It's too bad more wrestling fans aren't excited about a promotion like you are about AEW.

Your mom could get decapitated by John Silver and you'd be like "THIS WAS THE GOAT SEGMENT!!!"

She's been dead 22 years, so if John Silver were to decapitate her, yeah, that would be a GOAT segment.

[Nash Diesel]

She's been dead 22 years, so if John Silver were to decapitate her, yeah, that would be a GOAT segment.

How is it everytime someone's mom gets brought up they're always deceased??

And I have no doubt if she was alive that would be another segment that fills you with an extreme amount of joy.

[Hero!]

I don't understand why you hate my love of AEW so much. I enjoy AEW, MLW (who also put out a BANGER last night), and IMPACT when it's not pissing me off. I don't know why that's a bad thing.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't understand why you hate my love of AEW so much. I enjoy AEW, MLW (who also put out a BANGER last night), and IMPACT when it's not pissing me off. I don't know why that's a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing, I literally said I wished everyone was as excited for a promotion that you are about AEW.

I will admit, sometimes I have to question how you could find every single segment every week to be so wonderful but you're an impressionable youth who made things like Chocolate Rain iconic.

[Donald]

Your mom has to question how you could find every single segment every week to be so wonderful but you're an impressionable youth who made things like Chocolate Rain iconic.

[Nash Diesel]

Your mom has to question how you could find every single segment every week to be so wonderful but you're an impressionable youth who made things like Chocolate Rain iconic.

Your question could like iconic mom but an every has Chocolate segment who you're single week so to could youth Rain made wonderful like you to be.

[Bert]

Someone call 911

[Ringo]

Thing is... if you look elsewhere, lots of wrestling fans are as, if not more, excited about AEW than Hero! is. In some places you won't see a bad word spoken about it. Even so, ND's obsession with what other people do or don't enjoy and need to constantly include superfluous pop culture references in every post is a bit tedious.

Anyway, Dynamite was genuinely a super fun show this week. There's still stuff going on that I don't really like but the fun stuff makes it more palatable.

[Peter Griffin]

The only thing I hate is AEW ultra fans and NXT ultra fans who are convinced they are in an actual war and defend 'their' company no matter what and use 'we' when talking about them.

Can you imagine if twitter was a thing in the attitude era ffs?

Actually I also hate Dave and Bryan's schilling/spokesman role, But that's on them.

[Hero!]

The only thing I hate is AEW ultra fans and NXT ultra fans who are convinced they are in an actual war and defend 'their' company no matter what and use 'we' when talking about them.

Can you imagine if twitter was a thing in the attitude era ffs?

Actually I also hate Dave and Bryan's schilling/spokesman role, But that's on them.

Dave buries AEW when something is bad. Bryan is more a fanboy of it, but that's more due to how bad WWE has gotten. When Alvarez is yearning for old Nitros, you know RAW has hit a low point.

[Badger]

Just seen the Inner Circle/Pinnacle brawl on YouTube. When MJF opened the door! :lol:

Fantastic!

[Nash Diesel]

Dave buries AEW when something is bad. Bryan is more a fanboy of it, but that's more due to how bad WWE has gotten. When Alvarez is yearning for old Nitros, you know RAW has hit a low point.

We all know this is total bullshit. Dave MELTZER? He's never buried AEW. He may have been less than pleased, but the guy literally has nothing but positives to say about this company and the "negatives" are like when your Dad (he's alive right?) pats you on the back and says "Better luck next time, Champ".

What's wrong with old Nitro's? Are we talking 1999-2001 because I can see that, but 1995-early early 1999 were pretty good to great.

[Hero!]

We all know this is total bullshit. Dave MELTZER? He's never buried AEW. He may have been less than pleased, but the guy literally has nothing but positives to say about this company and the "negatives" are like when your Dad (he's alive right?) pats you on the back and says "Better luck next time, Champ".

What's wrong with old Nitro's? Are we talking 1999-2001 because I can see that, but 1995-early early 1999 were pretty good to great.

i listen to dave and and bryan's shows daily....Dave absolutely will shit on something he doesn't like. But that stuff doesn't make the snippets on twitter, people only see him praising omega or the bucks in-ring and think that's what he spend a full hour on.

And yes, deathbed WCW nitros. Alvarez, who wrote the death of wcw book, has always snapped back at fans who said that RAW was getting as bad as WCW...but now he's completely broken and saying "at least those shows were stupid, RAW is just boring"

[Nash Diesel]

i listen to dave and and bryan's shows daily....Dave absolutely will shit on something he doesn't like. But that stuff doesn't make the snippets on twitter, people only see him praising omega or the bucks in-ring and think that's what he spend a full hour on.

And yes, deathbed WCW nitros. Alvarez, who wrote the death of wcw book, has always snapped back at fans who said that RAW was getting as bad as WCW...but now he's completely broken and saying "at least those shows were stupid, RAW is just boring"

2 things. I've listened to many many shows and once you get over Dave saying "ya know" a trillion times in 2-3 hours it's not horrible. You can't have an opinion about someone without knowing how that person feels about a product. Dave and Bryan do not shit on AEW. They might be like "oh that wasn't the best match Moxley's ever had" or "Not a GREAT promo from Nyla Rose" when what they're talking about was in fact dogshit.

But I get it.....Not every show is going to be Jim Cornette-style, very few are. Solomonster is another guy who for some reason barely sees a single thing wrong with AEW and goes out of his way to try and overexplain why fans are not understanding why something is cool that AEW has done.

The other thing is that Death of WCW book. HILARIOUS but full of shit. I remember ordering it off WrestleCrap.com simply because I wanted to see how shitty the cover looked in my hands. It's a funny, totally ignorant but funny take on WHY WCW went down. You and I could've done it. Those Nitros did suck, but they had Kevin Nash, and Raw doesn't so I sort of agree-bring back Kevin Nash!

[Nash Diesel]

Thing is... if you look elsewhere, lots of wrestling fans are as, if not more, excited about AEW than Hero! is. In some places you won't see a bad word spoken about it. Even so, ND's obsession with what other people do or don't enjoy and need to constantly include superfluous pop culture references in every post is a bit tedious.

Anyway, Dynamite was genuinely a super fun show this week. There's still stuff going on that I don't really like but the fun stuff makes it more palatable.

There's no obsession. And I would say Hero is pretty much in line with a lot of people who are ultra AEW fans as PG put it. There are more fans like me who are like CALM THE FUCK DOWN GUY lol. You're making it super weird to be a fan of AEW right now. I get a little dirty feeling when I'm around ultra fans of wrestling promotions.

I mean, I used to give Peter shit every day for being such a VKM apologist. Now he barely defends Vince lol. So I guess I helped out in some way.


The only thing I hate is AEW ultra fans and NXT ultra fans who are convinced they are in an actual war and defend 'their' company no matter what and use 'we' when talking about them.

Can you imagine if twitter was a thing in the attitude era ffs?

Actually I also hate Dave and Bryan's schilling/spokesman role, But that's on them.

We did have Twitter but it was called AOL chatrooms and holy shit....I'm pretty sure the reason I'm such a badass on the boards and have such thick skin is all those years defending Kevin Nash in the 90's lol.

The ultra fans thinking this is a war....God bless them. If anyone who was old enough during the 80's and 90's to see a real wrestling war actually considered AEW v. NXT a war, they need their head checked. I can understand younger fans, just like younger people trying to say they have it just as hard today as my great-great-grandparents who were slaves or my grandparents who went through the Depression, WW2, etc. Those were wars, this is just a military conflict.

AEW v. NXT is a battle only the super hardcore and/or ignorant young fan are going to consider bigger than what it is. That's because the bubble is so small, so exclusive despite trying to be more inclusive-we just alienate more and more people because who wants to watch WRESTLING with nothing but rabid, hardcore weirdos like us? Nobody that's who lol.

[Dreyski]

Who else forgot about Kris Statlander?

[Bert]

Who else forgot about Kris Statlander?

Do you watch BTE? I didn't, but I watch BTE.

[Sasori]

Statlander also shows up on Sammy's vlog now and then. If you kept up with either show then you would have seen her go from crutches to walking on her own.

[Badger]

Tbh I was getting a bit bored of the feud however that was a great pay-off. Just missing a slap from Trent’s mum.

Hopefully Miro can go onto bigger and better things soon.

[Ringo]

I'll admit, Cassidy/Best Friends getting "where is my mind?" as their theme has instantly enhanced my enjoyment of them. I even enjoyed them winning, celebrating in the ring and waving to Sue. Miro still looked super dominant and hopefully it's just a matter of time before he destroys Kip.

[Badger]

Kip trying to put Miro down for not being the “best man” not having his bad then Miro going face doing a Batista-ish turn and systematically destroying everyone on the card before eventually reaching Omega would be brilliant television.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I feel like such an outlier sometimes as an unadulterated Best Friends mark :lol:

[Badger]

Best Friends and Santana/Ortiz = best tag teams not to have won the AEW tag belts already.

Best Friends could even do the Freebird rule thing.

[Bert]

Max Caster has grown on me. I still don't understand why he was kissing someone else's hand in the ladder match though.

[Bert]

May 5th, Blood n Guts. Pinnacle vs Inner Circle.

That should be awesome. I'm surprised they're doing it on free tv.

[Nash Diesel]

Greatest. Dynamite. Ever.

Super shocking "turn" by The Young Bucks. I was totally sold on their allegiance to Mox last week and to see them do what they did....TK did it again!

Mike Tyson coming out and saving Chris Jericho was probably the highlight of the night. It's good seeing Tyson be part of pro wrestling again and we all know if he was in WWE he'd be winning the 24/7 championship facing The Miz at WrestleMania. Maybe back in 1998 that would've worked but not in 2021.

All in all a good show. I was a little let down with the lack of in-feud fighting that they did a great job putting in every single segment last week. This week just seemed more about delivering on the shock and awe and NXT might've been called "Stand and Deliver" but everyone knows TK delivered tonight, not VK.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Honestly I hate this bullet club angle.

[Donald]

AEW Dynamite: Stand and Underdeliver

[PurePlayer]

I really liked the show last night. I do think there are a lot of stables but I am interested to see who ends up helping Mox and Kingston. Will it be death triangle? Christian Cage? Big Show?

[Nash Diesel]

Honestly I hate this bullet club angle.

Hate is a strong word for an angle that's really really booked well.


I really liked the show last night. I do think there are a lot of stables but I am interested to see who ends up helping Mox and Kingston. Will it be death triangle? Christian Cage? Big Show?

It should be Christian Cage and Big Show. Kingston is kind of an odd man out since he's not a former WWE wrestler pushing 50 but Mox isn't even 40 yet so there's a balance.

To me it would be kind of like WWE v. AEW/TNA. The ultimate storyline and an even bigger upside that WWE would never try. Big Show and Christian, especially Big Show, so much more to give to the business at this stage in his career. Imagine The Shield but with Big Show and Christian and then Eddie Kingston just kind of like the Louie Spicolli/Disco Inferno of their squad. Brilliant and TK is doing a wonderful job with the rebirth of the Attitude Era.

What I'm hoping is that Steve Austin and Jericho start building toward an angle that sees the Inner Circle come to WWE and beat down everyone.

[Bert]

To make it 5vs5 I was thinking Eddie Kingston, Christian Cage, and then SCU since they're at the top of the tag team rankings and not doing anything.

That leads to SCU vs Young Bucks for the titles at Double or Nothing.

[Nash Diesel]

To make it 5vs5 I was thinking Eddie Kingston, Christian Cage, and then SCU since they're at the top of the tag team rankings and not doing anything.

That leads to SCU vs Young Bucks for the titles at Double or Nothing.

That would be incredible. Christopher Daniels and Kazarian need to win back the titles. Get the TNT title on Big Show and Christian can be the World champion.

The only real issue is the women's championship. I think TK needs to think about signing Molly Holly. She's fresh off the HOF induction. Jillian Hall is someone else I was thinking after Rumble, WHY didn't the WWE bring her back? She was one of the top women's wrestlers back in the day. So if they could get either of them to win the Women's championship.

Mox and Kingston need to have like an Ultra Violence tag-team championship created. What a lot of people don't get is how far the hardcore matches have come. The matches you used to see in FMW or ECW, that's exactly what we're seeing when these 2 are in those deathmatch settings. Moxley has the record he has because he's easily one of the best wrestlers out there today. In WWE, they had him put over some people and I just never understood WHY. WHY are you having Dean Ambrose lose? He was US champion for 11 months, never lost the belt by pinfall or submission, not even sure if he ever held it again but that was just another example of why TK>VK

[Bert]

That would be incredible. Christopher Daniels and Kazarian need to win back the titles. Get the TNT title on Big Show and Christian can be the World champion.

The only real issue is the women's championship. I think TK needs to think about signing Molly Holly. She's fresh off the HOF induction. Jillian Hall is someone else I was thinking after Rumble, WHY didn't the WWE bring her back? She was one of the top women's wrestlers back in the day. So if they could get either of them to win the Women's championship.

Mox and Kingston need to have like an Ultra Violence tag-team championship created. What a lot of people don't get is how far the hardcore matches have come. The matches you used to see in FMW or ECW, that's exactly what we're seeing when these 2 are in those deathmatch settings. Moxley has the record he has because he's easily one of the best wrestlers out there today. In WWE, they had him put over some people and I just never understood WHY. WHY are you having Dean Ambrose lose? He was US champion for 11 months, never lost the belt by pinfall or submission, not even sure if he ever held it again but that was just another example of why TK>VK

Molly Holly said recently she was offered a spot at the performance center as a trainer and didn't even want to do that because her heart isn't in wrestling anymore. I think they need to bring Zelina Vega/Thea Trinidad in already. She's not the most amazing wrestler but I think automatically she'd be one of the best on their roster because so many people are green. She also can talk and is used to live TV which are both major pluses.

[Nash Diesel]

Molly Holly said recently she was offered a spot at the performance center as a trainer and didn't even want to do that because her heart isn't in wrestling anymore. I think they need to bring Zelina Vega/Thea Trinidad in already. She's not the most amazing wrestler but I think automatically she'd be one of the best on their roster because so many people are green. She also can talk and is used to live TV which are both major pluses.

I 100% agree about Zelina.

TK has access to funds that Molly Holly could wipe her passion back to front with.

Just wait until Andrade signs. By the end of this year we'll be seeing Charlotte in AEW.

[Supernovametalstar]

I 100% agree about Zelina.

TK has access to funds that Molly Holly could wipe her passion back to front with.

Just wait until Andrade signs. By the end of this year we'll be seeing Charlotte in AEW.

I'm not sure why, but it seems to me that former Zelina would be a good match with the Dark Order. Have her come in and be the one to get them back to the menacing side.

Would Charlotte coming to AEW be like Hogan going to WCW? Arguably there are bigger names, but of who would be available and has a current disagreement with WWE, that would be a good get. However, I do hope AEW doesn't become the get the WWE castoffs or disgruntleds. Sure, Tony Khan technically has the money to lure people away, but you don't want to repeat the mistakes that lead to the downfall of WCW.

[Matthew]

why is nash diesel gimmick posting

it's weird

[Bert]

I felt like he was half being serious and half trolling.

[Ringo]

I can't make sense of any of it to be honest. It's bizarre.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm not sure why, but it seems to me that former Zelina would be a good match with the Dark Order. Have her come in and be the one to get them back to the menacing side.

Would Charlotte coming to AEW be like Hogan going to WCW? Arguably there are bigger names, but of who would be available and has a current disagreement with WWE, that would be a good get. However, I do hope AEW doesn't become the get the WWE castoffs or disgruntleds. Sure, Tony Khan technically has the money to lure people away, but you don't want to repeat the mistakes that lead to the downfall of WCW.

Never have and never will be a fan of the Dark Order. I loved Brodie Lee, I think it's a nice gesture to have his boy out there since they're a jobber squad, but nothing about them works for me as a fan.

Charlotte coming to AEW would be huge. It would be the equivalent of a Hogan or Savage leaving for WCW in terms of female name power in today's wrestling world. The WWE 4 Horsewomen, if any of them left for AEW it would be a big deal but I think Charlotte and Becky would be the biggest gets in terms of female talent.

TK has studied the mistakes of WCW and TNA. WCW unfortunately made the mistake of being in existence because it was just a tv show with wrestlers. They had no pull if TNT killed them and the suits had been wanting wrestling off the network since Ted bought it back in the late 80's. But somehow Tony Khan and his team have been able to do the impossible and not only bring wrestling back to TNT, but to make it better than anything we've seen since probably that tiny window of success in 1996-1998. Prior to and after, show me a feud, wrestler, match, etc. that rivals anything we've seen in the main event level of AEW. I'll wait.

[Supernovametalstar]

Never have and never will be a fan of the Dark Order. I loved Brodie Lee, I think it's a nice gesture to have his boy out there since they're a jobber squad, but nothing about them works for me as a fan.

Charlotte coming to AEW would be huge. It would be the equivalent of a Hogan or Savage leaving for WCW in terms of female name power in today's wrestling world. The WWE 4 Horsewomen, if any of them left for AEW it would be a big deal but I think Charlotte and Becky would be the biggest gets in terms of female talent.

TK has studied the mistakes of WCW and TNA. WCW unfortunately made the mistake of being in existence because it was just a tv show with wrestlers. They had no pull if TNT killed them and the suits had been wanting wrestling off the network since Ted bought it back in the late 80's. But somehow Tony Khan and his team have been able to do the impossible and not only bring wrestling back to TNT, but to make it better than anything we've seen since probably that tiny window of success in 1996-1998. Prior to and after, show me a feud, wrestler, match, etc. that rivals anything we've seen in the main event level of AEW. I'll wait.

One of the last Raw main events I taped was HBK vs HHH blood match (that's how I have it labeled), so that a was '99.

It's always odd to me when I hear about how the network wanted to get rid of WCW for so long. But then, most of the Turner networks got jacked up for a good while before the nostalgia bug hit and they started correcting some mistakes. I'm thinking mainly of CN. But that's another story.

I think AEW has a really good base of talent, they have die hard fans, they're proactive with marketing in many avenues (merch, video games, action figures, etc). I don't think they've gotten to the household name level just yet. I do wonder who could be a Rock or Cena level cross over talent.

[Donald]

I'm loving this sarcastic Nash Diesel.

[Nash Diesel]

One of the last Raw main events I taped was HBK vs HHH blood match (that's how I have it labeled), so that a was '99.

It's always odd to me when I hear about how the network wanted to get rid of WCW for so long. But then, most of the Turner networks got jacked up for a good while before the nostalgia bug hit and they started correcting some mistakes. I'm thinking mainly of CN. But that's another story.

I think AEW has a really good base of talent, they have die hard fans, they're proactive with marketing in many avenues (merch, video games, action figures, etc). I don't think they've gotten to the household name level just yet. I do wonder who could be a Rock or Cena level cross over talent.

Oh man I think right now you have Moxley who's in a movie with Gina Gershon, Christian Cage, Chuck Liddell "Cagefighter" so that right there will put him further than where he's been, not just in AEW but in general. I actually didn't even know Christian was in it so it makes sense as to why he will probably team up with Moxley to take down The Bullet Club Elite.

Taking out the legends like Jericho, Sting, Jake, etc. you have Cody. That guy is about to kill it with the reality show he and his wife have been working on since I think prior to All In. Some people think AEW was simply a vanity project so Brandi and Cody could slide in to red carpet events but come on, if Cody gave a shit about Hollyweird he wouldn't have tatted the old IWGP championship on his neck in red, white, and blue.

Everyone else like you said, probably too early to tell but right now I would say fresh talent like MJF, Darby Allin, Jungle Boy, Britt Baker, and probably Nyla Rose are the most well known wrestlers that don't have the "Oh well he made his name in NJPW-WWE-ROH-TNA" vibe. Omega and The Bucks obviously are household names, they've had their merch in Hot Topic and ProWrestlingTees.com for a couple years now so I think if someone would consider Finn Balor a household name or AJ Styles, you'd have to throw in those 3 as well, right?




I'm loving this sarcastic Nash Diesel.

I'm loving that I keep thinking you're me LOL. I'm like, "I don't remember posting in this thread" and it's you!

[Donald]

I'm having the same issue lol

[Defrost]

Konosuke Takeshita is at the show tonight

[Ringo]

That's interesting. Presumably it'll just be the odd appearance but he's an amazing talent.

In other AEW related news, Moxley challenged new GCW Champion Nick Gage at Spring Break. That's going to be something. I watched Moxley vs. Barnett from Bloodsport 6 and it was a fantastic, chaotic match. Absolute bloodbath with some great visuals.

https://i.imgur.com/xHoVfeu.jpg

[chatty]

I thought this week's episode was great tbh.

Jericho's promo was excellent, lots of passion, really helped take the feud up a notch. Then the attack was great as well. Tyson save is what it is, some outside promotion, was done as well as could be. I think they should have had Spear sell Tyson more though, he should have been Kod from one punch, 50 odd year old or not Tyson would spark him in real life so should have sold that.

Liked QTs promo as well, sold his group well and went full on in on Cody, made it seem hot and personal. He's really come on the last year so happy for him to get a push.

Britt also hitting another good promo, guess she's gonna go on a run killing jobbers though to prove a point. She should be the one to take the belt of Shida.

Omega/Good Brothers v Moxley)Bucks was fun. Hope that's the Bucks turned heel for a while now, them flip flopping all over the place was getting full. Have them lose to Death Triangle due to interference to ramp this up a bit.

No Miro, hopefully they are gonna split him and let him go solo on a killing run.

Death Triangle v Best Friends should be decent enough.

Not sure where they are going with either of the Sting/Archer or Team Tazz stuff so keeps it interesting at least.

Solid show.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

I 100% agree about Zelina.

TK has access to funds that Molly Holly could wipe her passion back to front with.

Just wait until Andrade signs. By the end of this year we'll be seeing Charlotte in AEW.

never going to happen, all pontificating one....

wanna make a bet?

right now.

whoever is wrong doesn’t post for the first half of 2022.

[Nash Diesel]

never going to happen, all pontificating one....

wanna make a bet?

right now.

whoever is wrong doesn’t post for the first half of 2022.

I'll take the bet on the grounds that every prediction made by either of us from now until the end of the year be tallied January 1st, 2022 and whoever has more correct predictions than the other not only does the loser not post until June 1st, 2022, but the winner gets blown by the loser's first love every day for that entire waiting period.

Sound good? Fucking dork.

[Donald]

I'd enter but can I see pics of first loves before I fully commit?

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

I see Cody tweeted a crib he's built for his daughter.

Surprised he didn't save it for a 5 minute segment on Dynamite.

[Nash Diesel]

It's Wednesday and you know what that means!!

Sadly I won't be able to watch Dynamite tonight but it's DVR'd so we're good to go.

Here's to MJF making note of Jericho working with the enemy. I think we have the tag match of the decade on our hands with the Young Bucks v. Fenix/PAC. Fenix and PAC are easily the top 2 high flyers in the world today.

Darby v. Matt Hardy, this feud reminds me a little of the Matt Hardy-Adam Cole ROH feud. Matt has a very very similar gimmick going right now all that's missing is Mike and Maria Kanellis and taht sweet pink furry belt. I figure if TK can get the FTW back in a prominent position he should be able to get the ICON title in the mix sooner than later.

Jade Cargill v. Red Velvet. This is what we used to call the "brought to you by Jergens" match.


I see Cody tweeted a crib he's built for his daughter.

Surprised he didn't save it for a 5 minute segment on Dynamite.

It's for the reality show. I can already see the comedy pouring out of the episode where Cody and Brandi attempt to craft a baby crib. Hopefully they injected her with enough Cody seed we get Octo Mom II

[PurePlayer]

Good show. The opening tag title match was awesome. I like the Young Bucks as heels. Dax vs Jericho was decent and liked the inclusion of Tyson. Main event between Darby and Hardy was chaotic. My only gripe is the twist of fate with the chair around Darby's neck. No way should that be a kick out. If anything, that should be a move done to take someone off tv for at least a week or two. A twist of fate on the floor would've done just fine. Dynamite was a fun show if I am comparing it to NXT , it was the better show.

[Tyrone]

Haven't tuned in to AEW in about two months, stuck with NXT but since it changed to Tuesday this was the only thing on. Pretty good show for me being out of the loop on ongoing storylines.

[Nash Diesel]

Good show. The opening tag title match was awesome. I like the Young Bucks as heels. Dax vs Jericho was decent and liked the inclusion of Tyson. Main event between Darby and Hardy was chaotic. My only gripe is the twist of fate with the chair around Darby's neck. No way should that be a kick out. If anything, that should be a move done to take someone off tv for at least a week or two. A twist of fate on the floor would've done just fine. Dynamite was a fun show if I am comparing it to NXT , it was the better show.

I thought NXT slightly edged out Dynamite this week but only because I thought the main event had a little more going on than AEW did.

I will say this when I saw the twist of Fate it took me back to that Mania match with Matt and Jeff. That's how Matt beat Jeff so I can see why Darby kicked out. He's a better, younger version of Jeff Hardy.

[Sasori]

My only issue with this week's episode is all the chaos around the ring. If you're going to do that, save it for one match. I felt like it ruined the main event which was off to a great start.

[Bert]

The only reason I can think of why they're giving away Blood n Guts on free TV is they really want to try to break 1 million viewers.

[Bert]

Uhh, nevermind.

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2021/04/15/aew-dynamite-breaks-1-2-million-viewers-without-wwe-nxt-competition/amp/

[Tainted Eclipse]

darby allins a draw brother

[PurePlayer]

1.2 million viewers damn. RAW was doing around 1.5-1.8 before Mania.

[Ringo]

That's great. I need to watch this week's episode.

[Nash Diesel]

My only issue with this week's episode is all the chaos around the ring. If you're going to do that, save it for one match. I felt like it ruined the main event which was off to a great start.

See, that neverending chaos is what draws me to AEW. Remember watching ECW ppvs and they'd have like Chris Chetti/Nova v. FBI. That would somehow turn mid match into those teams v. DOring/Roadkill then it'd somehow end with Jazz pinned Spike Dudley.

Those are the type of shows, that Russo meets XPW meets No Mercy N64 type shows that have always drawn well. Look at the ratings. 1.2 million. People saw all that WWE bullshit over the last week and said nope, fuck that.


1.2 million viewers damn. RAW was doing around 1.5-1.8 before Mania.

Exactly. It's not hard to tell which company is going to be 1.5-1.8 this time next year and it ain't WWE Raw. I'd be shocked if Raw got 1.2 this week as fucking terrible as it was, I imagine the drop off after hour 2 had to have been significant.

I'm still not sold on the idea that the rating is a result of the move. I used to think that it was probably the same audience minus 1-2,000 viewers but I'm not sure. 1.2 million for AEW isn't exactly unheard of. I think it's purely coincidental that they hit 1.2 million. The show already had serious hype with the TNT title match and the tag team title match plus you had Thunder Rosa v. Ivelisse advertised and I'm sure many fans wanted to know what would happen with Jericho after appearing on WWE programming Sunday night after Mania.


That's great. I need to watch this week's episode.

Watch last week's too

[Sasori]

They did 1.2 mil?! I thought the rating would be up, but not by that much. I wonder how much of a factor Tyson was.


See, that neverending chaos is what draws me to AEW. Remember watching ECW ppvs and they'd have like Chris Chetti/Nova v. FBI. That would somehow turn mid match into those teams v. DOring/Roadkill then it'd somehow end with Jazz pinned Spike Dudley.

Those are the type of shows, that Russo meets XPW meets No Mercy N64 type shows that have always drawn well. Look at the ratings. 1.2 million. People saw all that WWE bullshit over the last week and said nope, fuck that.

Fair enough. Having a chaotic atmosphere can definitely draw people in. I prefer a bit more controlled chaos, but it was still preferable to the post 'Mania RAW.

[Nash Diesel]

They did 1.2 mil?! I thought the rating would be up, but not by that much. I wonder how much of a factor Tyson was.



Fair enough. Having a chaotic atmosphere can definitely draw people in. I prefer a bit more controlled chaos, but it was still preferable to the post 'Mania RAW.

Tyson's probably the biggest name in sports right now. His comeback fight a few months back was insanely huge. Just like in 1998 when he was responsible for elevating WWE into the mainstream he's elevated AEW into the mainstream. I would even go as far to say that Tyson and Rodman were responsible for the boom in pro wrestling in 1997-1998. If AEW could get Rodman....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Nash Diesel]

If you're TK, who are you bringing in first? Joe? Maybe. We might see an nWo type angle where we have Joe, Christian Cage, Archer, Mickie James, Sting, and maybe Chris Jericho form this TNA-invasion style group. You ask why I mention Jericho, well his band did debut a video on Impact once upon a time and you need that super huge crossover name to turn on the company they're in (AEW).

[Ringo]

Watch last week's too

How do you know I didn't?

Well you're right, I didn't. But I read it wasn't such a hot show. Will try and check out both over the weekend.

[Nash Diesel]

How do you know I didn't?

Well you're right, I didn't. But I read it wasn't such a hot show. Will try and check out both over the weekend.

Oh sorry I was just implying that you should watch last week's too.

[JuveLeo]

I didn't think Dynamite would pull a 1.2 mill. Pretty impressive. It will be intriguing to see if they gather around roughly the same mark next week.

[Nash Diesel]

I didn't think Dynamite would pull a 1.2 mill. Pretty impressive. It will be intriguing to see if they gather around roughly the same mark next week.

Why not? It's practically the same audience. They've pulled a number like this in the past so I'm not saying my opinion is beyond anything but an opinion. I just think the number reflects the obvious. NXT moved to Tuesdays, they had a slight bump but we also have the joy of being able to watch NXT on multiple platforms anytime we want whereas outside of DVR, you either watch AEW on WEdnesdays or wait for them to put clips on Youtube that night.

[Supernovametalstar]

If you're TK, who are you bringing in first? Joe? Maybe. We might see an nWo type angle where we have Joe, Christian Cage, Archer, Mickie James, Sting, and maybe Chris Jericho form this TNA-invasion style group. You ask why I mention Jericho, well his band did debut a video on Impact once upon a time and you need that super huge crossover name to turn on the company they're in (AEW).

You know what? That sounds awesome. And it makes perfect sense. Christian is already kinda heelish, Archer is disallusionsed with AEW's decisions, Micke's worked with Impact before, so she has no allegience to AEW, and Sting, despite being ALL ELITE, was in TNA for a good while. Add Jericho as the Austin type, and that makes gold. Plus, it makes Impact seem like a bad ass force that can actually take out AEW's people. Right now they're playing second fiddle, but at some point if they're going to have a working relationship, they have to go on top for a good amount of time. BOOK IT, Tony!!! Man, IMPACT needs to find a way onto TBS. I've said it before. More eyeballs, cross network promotion, historical context (Saturday nights would be perfect for them). WHY CAN'T WE BE IN CHARGE OF THIS?!//1//1?

[Nash Diesel]

You know what? That sounds awesome. And it makes perfect sense. Christian is already kinda heelish, Archer is disallusionsed with AEW's decisions, Micke's worked with Impact before, so she has no allegience to AEW, and Sting, despite being ALL ELITE, was in TNA for a good while. Add Jericho as the Austin type, and that makes gold. Plus, it makes Impact seem like a bad ass force that can actually take out AEW's people. Right now they're playing second fiddle, but at some point if they're going to have a working relationship, they have to go on top for a good amount of time. BOOK IT, Tony!!! Man, IMPACT needs to find a way onto TBS. I've said it before. More eyeballs, cross network promotion, historical context (Saturday nights would be perfect for them). WHY CAN'T WE BE IN CHARGE OF THIS?!//1//1?

We pretty much are in charge of this. Tony Khan is right around my age, he's not someone my parents/grandparents' age trying to appeal to a younger audience. It's ridiculous that 25 years ago, wrestling was tailor made for 18-49 demographic. I'm only 39, in 1996, I can't eve imagine how incredible it felt being a fan my age. I mean I know what it was like as a 15-18 year old during the MNW so it'd be nice to recapture that feeling.

AEW v. NXT was like WCW 1996/1997 v. WWF Superstars in 1995. That's why you see so many wrestlers from that late 90's early 2000's that show up in AEW and immediately thrive, immediately hit that same level of ability they had that Vince and Kevin Dunn hindered so much.

I mean for fuck's sake, Vince can't even figure out what to do during a rain delay so how he's going to figure out how to manufacture crossover stars like he did with Austin, Rock, Hogan, Diesel, Shawn, Cena, etc. He's lost it and these releases really show.

[Sasori]

So Ivelisse is out already? TK doesn't mess around.

[Peter Griffin]

Is she the same one who stiffed someone in Mexico?

[Hero!]

So Ivelisse is out already? TK doesn't mess around.

Rumor has it she yelled at Jerry Lynn and didnt wanna job clean to Rosa. Yeah, fuck her.


Is she the same one who stiffed someone in Mexico?

no?

[Donald]

For some reason I keep thinking Ivelisse is that tall NXT rookie, Isis the Amazon :lol:

[Nash Diesel]

Is she the same one who stiffed someone in Mexico?

You're thinking Sexy Star when she tried to snap Rosemary from TNA's arm.


Rumor has it she yelled at Jerry Lynn and didnt wanna job clean to Rosa. Yeah, fuck her.



no?

Yeah for one, you yell at a top shelf legend like Jerry Lynn you might as well never work in the business again.

If Britt Baker can job clean to Thunder Rosa then so can Ivelisse.

[Hero!]

jerry lynn produces the women's matches, so gettign into a shouting match with him over taking TR's finisher is just stupid.

[Peter Griffin]

I was thinking of Sexy Star, I'm going mad

[Nash Diesel]

jerry lynn produces the women's matches, so gettign into a shouting match with him over taking TR's finisher is just stupid.

Oh see I'm out of the loop. So does Kenny Omega have anything to do with the women's division? I guess I only read he was BOOKING it, doesn't mean he's also producing. Kind of weird Jerry Lynn would be in that spot but hey, a match is a match no matter the gender. Cradle Piledriver time.

I mean I understand there might be some heat between the women but you have a job to do. Ivelisse, I know she's a hot head but she's not Teddy Hart. I imagine this was the last straw and they don't really NEED her.

AEW are building up a women's division that can spare losing 3-4 consistent talents. Have you seen Dark? They have probably 250 (no joke) wrestlers in general cycling through that show alone. I've seen 10-12 different women that haven't even appeared on Dynamite that honestly should be getting more airtime. I get that Conti is super hot, but she seems a little Ivelisse-ish to me as well. Kind of surprised she's the #1 ranked female in terms of challengers. As much as I love AEW, this is probably my only real honest gripe. Her and Red Velvet. Overpushed.

Jade Cargill...I'm sorry but she belongs in the WWE. Not a knock on AEW, it's not a competition I just feel like the WWE model and how they could showcase her on all those platforms.....AEW is sports entertainment but they're a wrestling promotion. WWE could take Jade Cargill and blow her the fuck up.

[Nash Diesel]

I was thinking of Sexy Star, I'm going mad

It's understandable. Both were top players in Lucha Underground, both Latino, both assholes.

[Bert]

Konosuke Takeshita is really good. I wonder how long he's going to work with AEW?

[Nash Diesel]

Konosuke Takeshita is really good. I wonder how long he's going to work with AEW?

Ahhh yeah from DDT. Hey, Ibushi got his start in DDT and Kenny Omega really blew up there as well.

[Bert]

Ahhh yeah from DDT. Hey, Ibushi got his start in DDT and Kenny Omega really blew up there as well.

Do you watch Dark or Elevation? He's been on both I think.

I thought about making a separate thread for Dark/Elevation to talk about the enhancement talent mostly. I still might. I know Hero watches it too.

[Nash Diesel]

Do you watch Dark or Elevation? He's been on both I think.

I thought about making a separate thread for Dark/Elevation to talk about the enhancement talent mostly. I still might. I know Hero watches it too.

I just started watching more and more Dark within the last couple weeks but it's while I'm doing some night work so I'm not always payin attention. They have like 40 matches on Dark lol.

[Hero!]

Konosuke Takeshita is really good. I wonder how long he's going to work with AEW?

already on his way back to Japan.

he’s really good tho

[Bert]

already on his way back to Japan.

he’s really good tho

Noooooooooooo

[Bert]

That MJF promo was straight fire.

[Bert]

Tay vs Shida was a great match.

[Nash Diesel]

Tay vs Shida was a great match.

So was I trolling or are you finally embracing the vision?

[Bert]

So was I trolling or are you finally embracing the vision?

I still don't know I buy that Shawn Michael's hindered her performance and Jerry Lynn enhanced it. I also think Dustin Rhodes is working with the women too. Part of it could just be getting more experience. There's going to be a difference for anyone wrestling 2 years vs 4 years. She is good though and this seemed like a test, also hints of a Shida heel turn?

What the hell was the thing with Moxley and Kingston? They messed that up. Just put the new elite or whatever back in the trailer and cut to Cutlers camera as Moxley and Kingston come in and beat everyone up left standing or something.

[Hero!]

Tay conti was very much just overlooked in NXT and from what it sounds like, she was taught to work very soft, which worked against her natural instincts from martial arts...

leaving wwe, she seems to have gone on a deep dive of All Japan and started learning how to work stiff and that laying her shit in can be safe and look awesome. Give her another year to get her timing and ring psychology down pat and she'll be one of the best in the business. She's already so much better than she ever was in the NXT system

[Bert]

Tay conti was very much just overlooked in NXT and from what it sounds like, she was taught to work very soft, which worked against her natural instincts from martial arts...

leaving wwe, she seems to have gone on a deep dive of All Japan and started learning how to work stiff and that laying her shit in can be safe and look awesome. Give her another year to get her timing and ring psychology down pat and she'll be one of the best in the business. She's already so much better than she ever was in the NXT system

Is there an interview about this? I'd like to read it.

[Nash Diesel]

Tay conti was very much just overlooked in NXT and from what it sounds like, she was taught to work very soft, which worked against her natural instincts from martial arts...

leaving wwe, she seems to have gone on a deep dive of All Japan and started learning how to work stiff and that laying her shit in can be safe and look awesome. Give her another year to get her timing and ring psychology down pat and she'll be one of the best in the business. She's already so much better than she ever was in the NXT system

I will say that there is a possibility that she would've been given more time as some of the better talents moved up the ladder but the oversized roster of both companies is a huge negative. I'm glad WWE are cleaning house, there will be some people released that various fans will shake their first about, I do it all the time for at least 1-2 talents. I think if they didn't have 400 people in developmental, someone like Tay Conti wouldn't have slipped through the cracks and become so disinterested in what NXT was offering.

It's like in Rocky 3 where he trades in the high tech training for the old stomping grounds of Apollo Creed and look what happened.

By this time next year Tay Conti will be a front runner for being the first AEW ppv main evented by a woman.

[Hero!]

Is there an interview about this? I'd like to read it.

I dont have one direct reference for this, it's come up on her twitter and in various portuguese & spanish interviews she's done. From what I gather, at the PC they just run the same drills over and over and not really teaching the funadmentals of match psychology and structure.


I will say that there is a possibility that she would've been given more time as some of the better talents moved up the ladder but the oversized roster of both companies is a huge negative. I'm glad WWE are cleaning house, there will be some people released that various fans will shake their first about, I do it all the time for at least 1-2 talents. I think if they didn't have 400 people in developmental, someone like Tay Conti wouldn't have slipped through the cracks and become so disinterested in what NXT was offering.

It's like in Rocky 3 where he trades in the high tech training for the old stomping grounds of Apollo Creed and look what happened.

By this time next year Tay Conti will be a front runner for being the first AEW ppv main evented by a woman.

Looking ahead, AEW's women's roster is gonna be insane in another year or so.

[Nash Diesel]

I dont have one direct reference for this, it's come up on her twitter and in various portuguese & spanish interviews she's done. From what I gather, at the PC they just run the same drills over and over and not really teaching the funadmentals of match psychology and structure.



Looking ahead, AEW's women's roster is gonna be insane in another year or so.

This part I don't agree with at all because the proof is in the talent. The NXT system works, it's just bloated. Conti is a victim, not of the system but of timing.

Trust me, at first I thought Tay Conti was getting the super push in AEW as a way for AEW to try and make a nothing talent in NXT into a top tier player. But then when you see her matches and nobody can look at a Charlotte Flair or Bayley or Asuka and not say Tay Conti isn't on that same level now.

[Hero!]

This part I don't agree with at all because the proof is in the talent. The NXT system works, it's just bloated. Conti is a victim, not of the system but of timing.

Trust me, at first I thought Tay Conti was getting the super push in AEW as a way for AEW to try and make a nothing talent in NXT into a top tier player. But then when you see her matches and nobody can look at a Charlotte Flair or Bayley or Asuka and not say Tay Conti isn't on that same level now.

So, i agree that she's definitely a victim of being overlooked in the bloated system, but take a look over the history of NXT and look for people who were trained at the PC that have gone on to be great wrestlers. Charlotte and Sasha seem to be the top ones I can think of and they worked there during the Bill Demott and Dusty Rhodes days. I have no clue wtf is going on at the PC anymore...the trainers seems to not put as much work into the trainees and instead focus on the people who come in off the indies and need the final WWE polish.

[Donald]

My 4th grade teacher was Mrs. Conti. Can't remember her first name. Sure she's dead now.

[VHS]

Tay conti was very much just overlooked in NXT and from what it sounds like, she was taught to work very soft, which worked against her natural instincts from martial arts...

leaving wwe, she seems to have gone on a deep dive of All Japan and started learning how to work stiff and that laying her shit in can be safe and look awesome. Give her another year to get her timing and ring psychology down pat and she'll be one of the best in the business. She's already so much better than she ever was in the NXT system

Overlooked, absolutely, and also put in the ring way too soon before she even knew what kind of wrestler she was. Her BJJ was always mentioned, but they wanted her to be kind of that crazy chick that would yell in peoples' faces "ARE YOU CRAZY?!" and boy that was cringe. Her offense right off the bat was awkward and miles away from looking convincing... then she took some time away and worked on her body, then her overall look started to come together, her offense started to take shape, and she even started to show genuine personality not forced crazy junk. And being grouped with Caesar Baloni and that other BJJ dude didn't stick, but she was starting to show real potential.

WWE letting her go was the best thing to happen to her. She's clearly done her homework and will totally be a big name in a year or two. :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

So, i agree that she's definitely a victim of being overlooked in the bloated system, but take a look over the history of NXT and look for people who were trained at the PC that have gone on to be great wrestlers. Charlotte and Sasha seem to be the top ones I can think of and they worked there during the Bill Demott and Dusty Rhodes days. I have no clue wtf is going on at the PC anymore...the trainers seems to not put as much work into the trainees and instead focus on the people who come in off the indies and need the final WWE polish.

I mean, even veterans like Sami Zayn benefited from being in NXT. I'll be honest, was never a fan of El Generico on his own. Loved the KO tag-team stuff against the Briscoes and if there were maybe people he was wrestling I really liked I would check it out in ROH or PWG. But I 100% love him as Sami Zayn.

We also can't forget that AEW isn't developmental. NXT is a glorified developmental system almost in the same vein as ECW or USWA. Obviously moreso ECW with the television exposure. Because there are definitely wrestlers who I think were better in NXT and nowhere else so far. The Revival is a great example. Love their matches but I loved them more in NXT than Raw/SD or AEW.

[Hero!]

AEW: 1.104 million18-49: 0.37


over a mill two weeks in a row. Nice.

[Bert]

AEW: 1.104 million18-49: 0.37


over a mill two weeks in a row. Nice.

Shows it wasn't a fluke.

[Nash Diesel]

Shows it wasn't a fluke.

Who said it was a fluke? I think 99.9% of the fans knew that people were channel surfing and when NXT moved to Tuesdays AEW would see a bump in ratings.

[Bert]

I'm sure there are NXT fanboys trying to say so. Not necessarily on this forum, just in general.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm sure there are NXT fanboys trying to say so. Not necessarily on this forum, just in general.

Maybe. You posted saying it's not a fluke. Who said it was a fluke?

[Tainted Eclipse]

two million+ ratings two darby allin main events

[Bert]

Maybe. You posted saying it's not a fluke. Who said it was a fluke?

...

I'd rather watch The Circle on Netflix than play this circle game.

[Nash Diesel]

...

I'd rather watch The Circle on Netflix than play this circle game.

Better than The Inner Circle.

[Psycho666Soldier]

https://dailyddt.com/2020/10/14/eddie-kingston-aews-last-stop-im-not-goin-anywhere-else/

This interview is a little old by this point, but it's a pretty worthy read. I feel like every time I get to peek into Eddie Kingston off camera, he comes off as the most genuine dude who just wants to live well and see others do the same. He's so humble about his role in wrestling and is positive as fuck without being some kind of stooge for a company. He's pretty much earned me as a fan forever barring some sick shit comes out about him.

[Donald]

NXT probably has the same, if not more viewership. A lot of peple wait for it to show on Peacock.

[PurePlayer]

NXT probably has the same, if not more viewership. A lot of peple wait for it to show on Peacock.

that's a big assumption. people can do the same thing with Dynamite on the tnt app like I do.

[Nash Diesel]

that's a big assumption. people can do the same thing with Dynamite on the tnt app like I do.

NXT you can watch it live, Hulu, Peacock, plus the scandalous fans who post shit on Youtube and I'm sure there are other places.

Dynamite, eh no so much. You're probably the only person I've heard say they watch Dynamite on the TNT app.

[Bert]

I watch it live on the TNT app with my parents cable info because I don't have or need cable. With all these streaming services it seems like I'm close to paying for cable though. If I couldn't do that I'd just download it and watch it a couple hours after it aired, which I do sometimes also if I'm too busy to watch it live.

PurePlayer how long does the episode take to show up on the TNT app? Next day?

[Donald]

Remember NXT, with the rookies? That was getting 2.5 ratings to begin with. 11 years later look how much things have changed. And that was on SyFy. Not sure but I would guess that's in less homes than TNT or USA Network.

[VHS]

AEW: 1.104 million18-49: 0.37


over a mill two weeks in a row. Nice.

That's rad news for them. Hopefully they keep it fluctuating around the 900k-1.1m range. :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

I think someone made it clear why these shows are breaking a million, especially in that key demographic of 18-49 year olds. I can't deny it either. I was so wrapped up in thinking that there wasn't a war when it fact there was. Now people want to watch the winners of the war.

Here's the thing. If NXT was so great, USA would have put soccer on Tuesdays. Who the fuck watches soccer? I'd rather watch curling. What are soccer ratings, 0.04? So obviously nobody gives a shit about soccer or they'd have the same ratings if not better regardless of the channel.

I know when WWE won the MNW war, they went from 8-9's to 11-12's because the WCW audience had to get their fix. DDP, Booker T, Sean O'Hare, Chavo Jr, Kronik, Hugh Morrus, they even had Kaz Hayashi in developmental for a day I think lol. He said naw, I'll hold out for CHIKARA.

[mr sabu]

so who does kenny drop the impact belt to..

there's no way he is losing it in a one on one match

[Hero!]

Moose

[Peter Griffin]

Samoa Joe

[Nash Diesel]

Christian Cage or Samoa Joe. Then that person will put over Moose.

[PurePlayer]

I watch it live on the TNT app with my parents cable info because I don't have or need cable. With all these streaming services it seems like I'm close to paying for cable though. If I couldn't do that I'd just download it and watch it a couple hours after it aired, which I do sometimes also if I'm too busy to watch it live.

@PurePlayer (https://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=32424) how long does the episode take to show up on the TNT app? Next day?

I am pretty sure you can watch it live and right when it's over as the very least.

[Nash Diesel]

I am pretty sure you can watch it live and right when it's over as the very least.

For someone who watches it on the TNT app you'd think you would know a little more about it.

Hmmm.

[kdestiny]

so who does kenny drop the impact belt to..

there's no way he is losing it in a one on one match

CM Punk

[Nash Diesel]

All trolling aside I don't think he's going to drop it to anyone in a match. I have a strong feeling he's going to come out and Shane Douglas that shit on Dynamite this week. Then Impact will have a tournament with Moose going over.

Either that or they should put the belt on TK. WWE put the ECW strap on Vince so why not? We've seen worse. Was David Arquette ever booker of the year?

[PurePlayer]

For someone who watches it on the TNT app you'd think you would know a little more about it.

Hmmm.

LOL whatever you say ND. How does that have an impact on when I watch it? I have to know the exact second it drops? I usually check out the show over the weekend if I don't watch it live.

[Nash Diesel]

LOL whatever you say ND. How does that have an impact on when I watch it? I have to know the exact second it drops? I usually check out the show over the weekend if I don't watch it live.

So do you watch it live on the TNT app?

[Bert]

I watch it live on the TNT app. I'm still wondering how long it takes for the episode to show up on the app after it airs. I would bet next day.

[Nash Diesel]

I have to sign in through my friend's cable provider to use the TNT app but I never use it for that specific reason. He DVR's the shows and then we get together either that night or the next day. Or I'll just go on youtube because they literally post everything by segment as it's happening to their youtube channel.

[PurePlayer]

So do you watch it live on the TNT app?

when did i say I did?

[Nash Diesel]

when did i say I did?

You didn't specify how you watched Dynamite live so that's why I'm asking you. Not that hard to grasp.

But you did say you watched Dynamite on the TNT app, so I'm asking you, do you watch it live on the TNT app?

[PurePlayer]

You didn't specify how you watched Dynamite live so that's why I'm asking you. Not that hard to grasp.

But you did say you watched Dynamite on the TNT app, so I'm asking you, do you watch it live on the TNT app?

No.

[Nash Diesel]

One big negative to the TNT app is that you can't watch the full episodes unless you are signed in to a cable provider or pay for the app. It'll let you watch the first 5 minutes and that's it. But at least they give you that first 5 and usually AEW comes out the gate like Nitro used to with a CW-style match.

[PurePlayer]

One big negative to the TNT app is that you can't watch the full episodes unless you are signed in to a cable provider or pay for the app. It'll let you watch the first 5 minutes and that's it. But at least they give you that first 5 and usually AEW comes out the gate like Nitro used to with a CW-style match.

That's correct. I use my parent's cable log in for it.

[Donald]

I think I read a week or two ago that AEW was looking to start their own streaming service. Perhaps with their partnerships with Impact and New Japan, they'll have a lot of content.

[Nash Diesel]

I think I read a week or two ago that AEW was looking to start their own streaming service. Perhaps with their partnerships with Impact and New Japan, they'll have a lot of content.

GFW/Impact whatever the fact has one I think.

I don't think they'd be able to show Impact or NJPW without a decent deal in place. Especially NJPW because they have their own streaming service. Right now AEW are putting everything up on Youtube as it airs on TNT so they should just stick with that method for the time being.

[Hero!]

yeah, IMPACT PLUS, New Japan World, Honor club all exist already, If AEW gets into streaming, why would they strike a deal with anyone else? These places already have their own things and most of them are really good too.

[Nash Diesel]

At this stage I guess you could put the B and C shows along with old ppvs and maybe some of the BTE. Content is key and I think everyone knows what people like out of the wrestling world.

[Supernovametalstar]

I just looked it up, and Paramount network, former TNN, former SpikeTV, gets about 80 million households (back in 2018). Right now AXS which has Impact has 50 million. Since there is precedence for wrestling being on the former one, why not try to get on Paramount? It says they're trying for more scripted programming, but they used to do reality shows all the time. That's pretty much what wrestling is, a hybrid of the two. Impact needs more exposure, as does New Japan. I'd even toss in Ring of Honor. Too bad pretty much all the high output channels are gobbled up by either NBC Universal or Turner or Fox. I don't think Disney would touch wrestling. Actually, doesn't MeTV have a nationwide distribution at this point? Why not syndicate it? Hmm....

[Bert]

I wish they would have pinfalls for the Blood n Guts match. What's the difference between submission and surrender?

[Morrison]

I wish they would have pinfalls for the Blood n Guts match. What's the difference between submission and surrender?

tap out or a verbal admission of quitting.

[Nash Diesel]

I just looked it up, and Paramount network, former TNN, former SpikeTV, gets about 80 million households (back in 2018). Right now AXS which has Impact has 50 million. Since there is precedence for wrestling being on the former one, why not try to get on Paramount? It says they're trying for more scripted programming, but they used to do reality shows all the time. That's pretty much what wrestling is, a hybrid of the two. Impact needs more exposure, as does New Japan. I'd even toss in Ring of Honor. Too bad pretty much all the high output channels are gobbled up by either NBC Universal or Turner or Fox. I don't think Disney would touch wrestling. Actually, doesn't MeTV have a nationwide distribution at this point? Why not syndicate it? Hmm....

Who's to say they haven't tried?

The reality is that we wrestling fans think wrestling has this huge fanbase here and it doesn't. There isn't a desire to have wrestling on these channels.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'm excited to see Yuji Nagata in the states. That should be a trip. Against Mox, too, so that should be sick.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm excited to see Yuji Nagata in the states. That should be a trip. Against Mox, too, so that should be sick.

Check out his WCW work, mainly his matches against Ultimo Dragon in WCW, if you haven't seen anything of his prior (in the states at least).

Mox is easily my favorite in AEW so I'm ready for this. If anyone can make Nagata look like he's in his prime, it's Moxley. Especially if we have some blood and glass in the mix. Idk if I've seen Nagata in a hardcore style match before.

[Donald]

How is Billy Gunn allowed to use Billy Gunn in AEW? Does he own the rights to the name?

Looks in fantastic shape for nearing 60.

[Nash Diesel]

How is Billy Gunn allowed to use Billy Gunn in AEW? Does he own the rights to the name?

Looks in fantastic shape for nearing 60.

Good question because he couldn't use the name in TNA so I wonder if maybe when he came back 5-6 years ago he was able to get the trademark.

When you're on that juice you're going to look sweet at 60.

[Tyrone]

How is Billy Gunn allowed to use Billy Gunn in AEW? Does he own the rights to the name?

Looks in fantastic shape for nearing 60.

Should've been William Pistol in the Impact Zone. Missed opportunity.

[Nash Diesel]

Will E Gatz

[mth]

Bill Firearm

[Nash Diesel]

I definitely think if AEW does introduce the trios titles that the Gunns should be the first champs. I have a feeling it'd be Omega and the Bucks, but if not them definitely the Gunns.

Any truth to the rumor that TK is working on a deal with CMLL?

[Psycho666Soldier]

I would actually like the first Trios Champs to be Death Triangle

[Hero!]

I definitely think if AEW does introduce the trios titles that the Gunns should be the first champs. I have a feeling it'd be Omega and the Bucks, but if not them definitely the Gunns.

Any truth to the rumor that TK is working on a deal with CMLL?

cmll just broke up w ROH, but that has to do with Rush starting his own Mexican promotion. AEW seems to very much be enjoying their relationship with Triple A.

[Hero!]

How is Billy Gunn allowed to use Billy Gunn in AEW? Does he own the rights to the name?

Looks in fantastic shape for nearing 60.


he doesn’t. He uses the name “Billy” and just gets introduced as “Billy and Austin Gunn” to get around it. I think on the AEW website he’s even just listed as “Bill”

[Nash Diesel]

he doesn’t. He uses the name “Billy” and just gets introduced as “Billy and Austin Gunn” to get around it. I think on the AEW website he’s even just listed as “Bill”

I know for a fact he's been called Billy Gunn on Dark and Dynamite but I think everytime it was done by Taz or JR. Kind of like when Heenan was always calling Meng "Haku". But that makes perfect sense if that's how they get around it, fucking genius actually.

[mth]

he doesn’t. He uses the name “Billy” and just gets introduced as “Billy and Austin Gunn” to get around it. I think on the AEW website he’s even just listed as “Bill”

I just checked and he's actually listed as Billy Gunn on their roster page now. Definitely used to just be Billy, though. WWE must've dropped the trademark recently.

[Nash Diesel]

Spoiler if need but did anyone feel let down that we haven't had any 69ing going on in a while?

[Donald]

I just checked and he's actually listed as Billy Gunn on their roster page now. Definitely used to just be Billy, though. WWE must've dropped the trademark recently.

They also have Mr. Brodie Lee and Awesome Kong on the roster page. I think they should have an alumni section, like WWE.

Is Awesome Kong a part of AEW?

[Hero!]

I just checked and he's actually listed as Billy Gunn on their roster page now. Definitely used to just be Billy, though. WWE must've dropped the trademark recently.

Nice! That woouldn't be too big of a shock after WWE gave up their claims to Cody Rhodes and Chris Jericho recently.

[Nash Diesel]

What a show.

Punk is right, nobody better on the mic than Kingston. Seeing Kenny with all the gold (but no Mega title, weird) puts a stamp on the career this man has had. Kenny should start calling himself Kenny "Overeem" Omega.

We haven't seen a champion this decorated and skilled since Lance Storm. Who IMHO had he been given the WCW World title we would've been talking about WCW to this day or at least until 2002.

What I don't get though is having Orange Cassidy beat Penta. I think OC is fantastic, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around the lack of Pentagon in the main event.

All in all 9/10.

[Hero!]

So, i believe there's an issue with showing the Mega Championship on TV. When Jeff Jarrett was Mega Champion years ago, he had to use a fake faceplate and call it the "Mexican championship"

https://prorasslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/jeff-jarrett-mexican-champion.jpg

[Hero!]

btw, someone posted this on reddit i thought it was awesome:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d49c9b9fd8be40001ad4078/t/5f933f14f52cb6316d1e06de/1603485466721/princeton-design-guild_.pdf

page 4.

orange cassidy is a freaking architecht

[Nash Diesel]

I wonder if we're going to get a jacket war between WWE and AEW. Pockets and Kyle O'Realllly rocking similar denim jackets and now the Young Bucks got the Smedium size Rollins jackets lol.

[Matthew]

he doesn’t. He uses the name “Billy” and just gets introduced as “Billy and Austin Gunn” to get around it. I think on the AEW website he’s even just listed as “Bill”
he was definitely introduced as Billy Gunn when he had his last dynamite singles match

[Hero!]

he was definitely introduced as Billy Gunn when he had his last dynamite singles match

no, you were

[Matthew]

i wasn't on the show that week you liar

[Nash Diesel]

Matt Gunn everybody

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[Hero!]

i wasn't on the show that week you liar

You were on elevation, i saw it.

[Defrost]

Well looks like the main event of Triplemania is Omega vs Andrade so that's how AAA gets their belt back. When Kenny eventually beats Akiyama for the KO-D title he'll drop it to either Takeshita or Endo. I have no clue who is winning the TNA title from him though.\

Also Covid fucking up the belt collector gimmick with him dropping the Mexican belt before he wins the Japanese one.

[Donald]

What a show.

Punk is right, nobody better on the mic than Kingston.

Didn't Punk say a couple of months ago there was no one better on the mic than Pat McAfee? Or was he just referring to NXT in that case?

[Defrost]

Didn't Punk say a couple of months ago there was no one better on the mic than Pat McAfee? Or was he just referring to NXT in that case?

A couple of months ago Punk was looking to get back in with Vince.

[Defrost]

AAA is being sued by AAA so there won't be a legal stream of the match by the way

[Nash Diesel]

AAA is being sued by AAA so there won't be a legal stream of the match by the way

?

[Nash Diesel]

Didn't Punk say a couple of months ago there was no one better on the mic than Pat McAfee? Or was he just referring to NXT in that case?

Naw he did say that but I think he meant in the WWE. He said Kingston is the best in the business right now.

[Defrost]

?

So basically AAA has a parent company called Antonio Pena Promotions. Kinda like how Titan Sports and the WWF worked. Lucha Libre AAA is the Mexican subsidiary and Lucha Libre FMV is the World Wide one that was created for Lucha Underground I think. At some point Antonio Pena Promotions sold all rights for AAA trademarks outside of Mexico to Lucha Libre FMV yet still kept doing business outside of Mexico. So Lucha Libre FMV is suing. It will probably end with a settlement where Antonio Pena Promotions buys everything back.

That's why you never see Omega with the AAA Title belt outside of AAA shows in Mexico.

[Nash Diesel]

So basically AAA has a parent company called Antonio Pena Promotions. Kinda like how Titan Sports and the WWF worked. Lucha Libre AAA is the Mexican subsidiary and Lucha Libre FMV is the World Wide one that was created for Lucha Underground I think. At some point Antonio Pena Promotions sold all rights for AAA trademarks outside of Mexico to Lucha Libre FMV yet still kept doing business outside of Mexico. So Lucha Libre FMV is suing. It will probably end with a settlement where Antonio Pena Promotions buys everything back.

That's why you never see Omega with the AAA Title belt outside of AAA shows in Mexico.

Ohhhh ok I thought you meant to say AEW sued AAA or vice versa lol. I was like, what does AAA have to do with AEW Dynamite and what match was supposed to go down? My bad.

[mr sabu]

i expect blood and guts to draw massive numbers

[Nash Diesel]

i expect blood and guts to draw massive numbers

It'll be record breaking for AEW. I actually expect it to get at least a 1.7 This feud has been going on for awhile, especially if you start it when MJF joined the Inner Circle. This isn't even the payoff. Look at nWo v. WCW at War Games. That was just the beginning of a 3-4 year long feud and it wonders for WCW.

The rest of the card is looking stellar. I've seen some of the matches announced for WrestleMania Backlash (WTF kind of name is that Vince??) and let's be honest.....TK and his booking team have surpassed Vince like we all knew he would. Everyone kept saying wait until Vince is gone, why? Just turn on AEW.

[Tainted Eclipse]

bryan danielson vs. darby allin. damn i need to stop myself from thinking about that possibility, can only end in heartbreak if he re-signs or they dont book it.

[Hero!]

I’ve been thinking of Danielson vs Omega and peeper is hard now

[Hero!]

But he’ll just cockblock and sign with wwe again and I can’t blame the guy. GET YOUR BAG, BRYAN.

[Bert]

But he’ll just cockblock and sign with wwe again and I can’t blame the guy. GET YOUR BAG, BRYAN.

But he wants to work with other companies. Does MLW count?

Really excited for this Blood n Guts match.

[Hero!]

But he wants to work with other companies. Does MLW count?

Really excited for this Blood n Guts match.

mlw is a great company but they couldn’t afford MJF, much less Bryan Danielson.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i've been underwhelmed by some of moxley's promos in AEW but that promo on nagata was awesome.

[Defrost]

Hey the AAA Belt

[Bert]

Kenny needs Don Callis to talk for him.

[Tainted Eclipse]

next week is LOADED

[Tainted Eclipse]

Kenny needs Don Callis to talk for him.

he needs to be more succinct. i liked the promo but it went long.

[Tainted Eclipse]

this whole episode has had a great atmosphere. the product overall feels really hot tonight.

[Bert]

Everything Luchasaurus does looks stiff (not in a good way) and janky. Jungle Boy should be a singles star.

[VHS]

Ratings are in for Dynamite.

324,000

[Bert]

What are they chanting? I can't make it out. I heard AEW and probably this is awesome.

[Bert]

I'm going to have to find the FITE rip of this later. They really should have made this match commercial free.

[Bert]

Good match. Weak ending.

[Bert]

Could have used a crash pad that wasn't black at least.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the match was awesome until everyone was in the ring. then it was still really good but kind of fell apart. jericho/mjf ending segment on top was strong until the anti-climactic ending. aew really need to stop killing these spots by showing the obvious crash pad landings.

[Defrost]

War Games stinks 9 out of 10 times. That was one of the 9.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i liked it a lot more than any of the NXT wargames. needed more blood though.

[Morrison]

would work much better as a PPV match. three ad breaks during it, with the second batch losing picture in picture, so we come back to a ring all torn up like wtf happened. too much stalling and padding waiting for ad breaks to end. mjf should've just pushed jericho off as soon as they surrendered instead of waiting. was a weak looking bump, regardless.

still a super fun match and atmosphere. super excited for a full capacity crowd for double or nothing.

[Morrison]

i liked it a lot more than any of the NXT wargames. needed more blood though.

the first women's war games match is probably my absolute favorite out of the new crop of war games matches. this one is second.

[Bert]

I loved the Undisputed Era vs Team Ciampa War Games match.

[Defrost]

The 1991 and 1992 WCW ones are legit great. The ROH vs CZW Cage of Death might be the best version of this kind of match. Other than that I can take or leave this gimmick.

[Bert]

i liked it a lot more than any of the NXT wargames. needed more blood though.

I think one of the chants was "we want guts."

It also seemed like Jericho told MJF to milk it for the camera before pushing him and that just made his fall look even lamer then it would have if he did it right away.

[Beer-Belly]

the match was awesome until everyone was in the ring. then it was still really good but kind of fell apart. jericho/mjf ending segment on top was strong until the anti-climactic ending. aew really need to stop killing these spots by showing the obvious crash pad landings.

Crash pads are the worst thing to happen in pro wrestling.

[kdestiny]

Crash pads are the worst thing to happen in pro wrestling.

I haven't watched this, but this certainly feels like an overreaction.

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

I mean it's not an over-reaction in a way because.. and I don't want folk to die from falls.. but this ending plus the "explosion" ending to the other show really puts a dint into the "PPVs". Don't build up to something and then wiff on it. They've done that twice now.

My problem wasn't the pads, and I may be completely wrong on this, but they clearly replaced that bit of the stage and it was the cardboard/board painted to look like the metal? Either use "metal" (like the trash cans) that's heavily malleable.. or don't. Don't pretend it's metal and forget to paint the underside of it.

They'd have done better to put the crashpad at least out of sight (so another 2ft down) a bit like WWE do, so at least the impact you go "holyshit!" and then find out there's a pad... and not "oh.. he's landed on a cardboard bed..".

It just takes away from the match, and the "PPV", when you end on shit like that.

* I've wrote PPV but appreciate they're TV matches... but the build is arguably to set it up as a PPV-like event

[Morrison]

I mean it's not an over-reaction in a way because.. and I don't want folk to die from falls.. but this ending plus the "explosion" ending to the other show really puts a dint into the "PPVs". Don't build up to something and then wiff on it. They've done that twice now.

My problem wasn't the pads, and I may be completely wrong on this, but they clearly replaced that bit of the stage and it was the cardboard/board painted to look like the metal? Either use "metal" (like the trash cans) that's heavily malleable.. or don't. Don't pretend it's metal and forget to paint the underside of it.

They'd have done better to put the crashpad at least out of sight (so another 2ft down) a bit like WWE do, so at least the impact you go "holyshit!" and then find out there's a pad... and not "oh.. he's landed on a cardboard bed..".

It just takes away from the match, and the "PPV", when you end on shit like that.

* I've wrote PPV but appreciate they're TV matches... but the build is arguably to set it up as a PPV-like event

agreed. multiple moves done inside the ring over the course of the night felt more impactful than the big 'holy shit' top of the cage bump. you're slamming people onto a solid mat that is mic'd to give a good boom of a sound all night, so to do a death spot, especially one that made the other team verbally surrender out of fear for safety, and it ultimately ends up looking way more gentle than a normal bump in the ring, is a bit of an oof.

[kdestiny]

The worst thing to happen in pro wrestling is a bit of a stretch for sure though.

I get it being a bit like a fart in church and that they could've set it up better, but I'm not going to ask someone to take a bump like that unless they feel they could safely do it.

[Peter Griffin]

Enjoyed the show and I feel the bump has been summed up here.

What I did like was the commentators bemoaning MJFs lack of humanity then Schiavone says he should be thrown of the top head first :lol:

[Matthew]

crowd going to go apeshit for OC in the title match.

i miss crowds

[Nash Diesel]

I'll be honest, as big of a fan that I am of AEW I felt that this show was very, very mediocre. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that big matches were dumb as hell for the most part. I love watching Kenny and Jon mix it up, I love hearing Eddie talk. I don't like watching a poor man's version of WWE comedy wrestling-or as I'm sure the apologists will try to convince "Oh it's like DDT" Naw, nobody got gorilla raped. Seriously, go back and watch this match, nobody gives a fuck. You even hear Jon say "What the fuck is this shit?" off camera when he throws one of them into the rail. lol

The main event was cool for what it was but like every match on this show it was weakened by jabronis. Shawn Spears sucks. To be 1000% honest, if I'm the only person who felt this was just a gorier version of the 1997 War Games, I'm cool with that. But the next time Tony or whoever wants to say MJF is going to throw Jericho off onto the concrete below.....don't lol.

One last thing...I noticed Kenny had the MEGA belt with him. I can't wait for OC to be the new AEW World champ.


The 1991 and 1992 WCW ones are legit great. The ROH vs CZW Cage of Death might be the best version of this kind of match. Other than that I can take or leave this gimmick.

And it had a killer story going into it with so many different layers that weren't solely about ROH v. CZW. Great match, and I've never said that about anything involving Nate Webb in my entire life.

[Nash Diesel]

crowd going to go apeshit for OC in the title match.

i miss crowds

He's been getting apeshit applause from crowds that size since he was an ant in CHIKARA so you're not missing much.

[Matthew]

i'm talking about when the title match happens at double or nothing with full capacity crowd. it's really just myself missing a large, hot, crowd. wrestlemania was cool, but audio usually sucks in the open-air venues.

did chikara run arenas of that size?