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Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 1:35 PM
I'm certainly no fan of Marko Stunt (not to mention many of the other AEW "originals") but you're wrong about Silver. He's really come into his own during the pandemic. He's really impressive in the ring and has connected with people organically. I expect to see him continue to blossom in front of a full crowd. He's rapidly become quite the star.

How am I wrong about John Silver? I'm not impressed with his in-ring work, his look, his mic work. That's cool that he's connected with people organically, so has Marko Stunt and a laundry list of other wrestlers I'm not a fan of. So maybe we're both wrong about Marko Stunt....?

"He's rapidly become quite the star" How so? In what way that people measure star power is this guy a star? What kind of ratings does he get? Does he have any merch? Or are we just basing this off the one time Meltzer said he got the biggest pop in a tag-team battle royal which was total bullshit.

Ringo
March 8th, 2021, 1:47 PM
Okay, throw in the words "I think" before "you're wrong" then. I'm impressed with him and think he's good. I fancy him as looking quite the star as of late. That's a separate thing. But the evidence that he's gotten over would be the pops he gets and overall fan response to him.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 1:54 PM
Okay, throw in the words "I think" before "you're wrong" then. I'm impressed with him and think he's good. I fancy him as looking quite the star as of late. That's a separate thing. But the evidence that he's gotten over would be the pops he gets and overall fan response to him.

What pops? From Billy Gunn's family and Jade Cargill?

If that's what you think a star looks like that's cool. I'm not impressed at all with his work in the ring. Mainly because he literally does every move everyone else does in AEW and many do it better. I think if people are going to come here and say I'm wrong for not being a fan of John Silver you better have something better than personal taste.

If a year from now this guy is on his own killing it then that's great! Right now, in a jobber tag-team in a jobber stable that is only still around out of respect for a man who died.....Yeah I don't see it. But again, you guys are hearing massive pops whenever he comes out and he's selling a lot of John Silver merch, I think he's helped Dark Order sell a non-Brodie Lee shirt once or twice so that's an accomplishment.

Morrison
March 8th, 2021, 1:55 PM
lol who the fuck is 'shouting out' marko stunt.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 2:08 PM
lol who the fuck is 'shouting out' marko stunt.

Do I have to subject myself to going on social media across 3-4 platforms to show people giving props to Marko. Shit in this thread people were propping him, all excited for him to work with his favorite wrestler Big Slow.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 2:50 PM
How am I wrong about John Silver? I'm not impressed with his in-ring work, his look, his mic work. That's cool that he's connected with people organically, so has Marko Stunt and a laundry list of other wrestlers I'm not a fan of. So maybe we're both wrong about Marko Stunt....?

"He's rapidly become quite the star" How so? In what way that people measure star power is this guy a star? What kind of ratings does he get? Does he have any merch? Or are we just basing this off the one time Meltzer said he got the biggest pop in a tag-team battle royal which was total bullshit.

How are you not impressed with his in ring work? He's so smooth, specifically with Reynolds. He's also strong as fuck.

I want to see him fight Pac and I think so do a lot of people after the tease last night.

The crowd was chanting "Johnny Hungie", for fucks sake.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 2:52 PM
Do I have to subject myself to going on social media across 3-4 platforms to show people giving props to Marko. Shit in this thread people were propping him, all excited for him to work with his favorite wrestler Big Slow.

You're confusing Hero saying that Marko was marking out because Big Show is his favorite wrestler for anyone being excited about Marko.

Ringo
March 8th, 2021, 3:01 PM
Yeah, it's a silly comparison because I don't think they're being received in remotely the same way from fans. It's not as easy to remark on with the lack of proper crowds but ND wanted evidence so here's some. cagematch.net is a big database where you can comment and rate on wrestlers, matches, events etc. I think it's a good source to see how wrestling fans generally view a given worker or match

Here's the last 10 comments on John Silver



[7.0] "Silver is a good worker and a charismatic guy who found his stride in the Dark Order. Might be a bit undersized but that doesn't define him."

[8.0] "Really broke out towards the end of 2020. Just looked like a jobber when he first was in AEW. Looking at the comments he has been this good for years."

[10.0] "I LOVE this kid John Silver. Insanely entertaining and a great in-ring competitor. He shows great tag chemistry with Alex Reynolds, and is also great by himself. His biggest trait is his comedy and charisma. I love Silver."

[8.0] "knows how to work, is comfortable in ring and with himself, and really shows a knack for entertaining people."

[10.0] "Silver has gotten some huge exposure from Being The Elite, and it's done him a world of good. The guy has incredible comedic timing, and his goofy charisma is amazing. In-ring, he has a really unusual combination of assets, being a really muscular guy who only stands 5'4" and moves at a tremendous pace. Even if he only ends up doing comedy stuff, I expect him to be tremendously entertaining, and if he gets the opportunity to do more in-ring work, I expect he'll do very well there too."

[10.0] "He is one of the most underrated stars on the AEW roster. On Being the Elite, he and the Dark Order are funny."

[10.0] "John is absolutely my favorite wrestler in Dark Order. Too talented and can put on an amazing show without a doubt."

[8.0] "The Meat Man and the star of Being The Elite, even if most things happen at his expense. Solid worker on the indies, and oddly entertaining in his interactions with Mr. Brodie Lee and Evil Uno. Chili's have never had a better pitchman."

[7.0] "John Silver is a REALLY good wrestler in the ring but he's lack of charisma is a little handicap for him. Glad to see him in the Dark Order, who's a stable that I love."

[8.0] "Insanely talented and appealing on multiple levels, Silver is one of those guys who deserves to break out on a major level in the next year or so. He has star power."

and here's the last 10 comments on Marko Stunt



[1.0] "Very poor worker. He'd work better as a heel manager, as he's only effective at being irritating and bumping. Beyond that, he has no use inside the ring, with it not being his lack of size, but rather his lack of ability"

[1.0] "A completely unrealistic worker due to his size. A decent bumper but that is his ONLY redeeming quality. He's essentially dead weight on Jurassic Express, which is ironic since he weighs a few feathers."

[0.0] "For me, if we don? t include unsafe workers, Stunt is the worst wrestler in the world today. He? s a non package, he doesn? t has nothing, like literally nothing that actually good. He has no character, his wrestling skills are horrendous, he can? t talk on the microphone, he looks like a child and doesn? t even try to look legit in any way. Like for example, Saya Iida from Stardom is really small but at least she goes to the gym and her move set is believable. Stunt needs to retire if he isn? t gonna change in my opinion."

[3.0] "Assets: Plays the "mighty mouse" archetype to a "t. " His in-ring work and unique image opened the door for him to make it onto television. Is capable of holding his own as either a singles or tag/faction wrestler. - - - Flaws: Is woefully undersized for someone who is not considered a mini wrestler. Likely wouldn't be taken seriously as a heel character. May need to rely on success through tag team wrestling beyond the independent circuit to get over. - - - Career Potential: Adequate national league wrestler with some upside."

[5.0] "He sort of has charisma but then he starts to irritate you. His size makes a lot of things he does in the ring look unrealistic. Looks like he is always being carried."

[0.0] "Marko Stunt is a fail in every single category when it comes to being a professional wrestler so much so I feel embarrassed calling him one. Originally I didn't want to criticize the guy too much for living his dream but after seeing the spot he did in his "match" with Effy at GCW I no longer care about hurting his feelings. So I will concisely list all the problems that this idiot has: 1) cant wrestle 2) not only extremely short but also has a shitty physique; he looks like a child and any offense and/or kickout by him is unbelievable 3) he is not athletic enough to justify his presence in the ring considering how bigger wrestlers appear to be more athletic than him IN SUMMARY Marko Stunt is SHIT"

[2.0] "This guy used to be fun during the start of AEW , he serves his purpose in trios matches where he is the one getting rag dolled by the bigger guys and then surprises them using his speed and agility but the main problem his that his offense is not at all believable. It just does not feel impactful at all. The guy can sell marvelously but he just does not do much for me and in my opinion Jurassic express would do way better without him . I admire his passion and all but he just does not work for me."

[6.0] "The AEW version of Hornswoggle who has much better in-ring skills. He is not a very good single wrestler, but he can be a good stable member."

[2.0] "Absolutely hate when he's on my TV screen. He looks like a little kid that keeps wondering around in the ring after getting lost from his parents. I don't even think he'd be on the AEW roster if it weren't for the Jurassic Express stable. His best quality is being able to take a severe beating, which I love seeing, but he serves no purpose other than that. The 2. 0 rating is solely because the other wrestlers beat him up all the time."

[1.0] "Marko can sell well, but the entire act is a huge miss for me. He just isn't believable, and kills every segment that he's involved in. His involvement in the Jurassic Express has really dragged down the entire act, and seems superfluous."

[7.0] "I don't hate Marko Stunt. In fact, I actually enjoyed him in AEW. He's one of those few guys that could play a role of a mouse in a good way because he's always been small and he could make that weakness up with his speed, much like what Riho always does when she faces a bigger woman. He really had a way to fit perfectly as a member of the Jurassic Express."

[1.0] "Man, nothing personal against the guy but I just can't stand him in the ring. Just kills every match he's involved in, dragging everyone down to his level. I really don't mind having to suspend my disbelief for modern wrestling, but Marko's a bit too much."

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 3:15 PM
Marko Stunt can sing, that's really all he has going for him.

https://youtu.be/irMoJ4mJrCc

I don't really think Luchasaurus is a great wrestler either.

Jungle Boy will do the best when he goes solo.

Fanny Batter
March 8th, 2021, 3:21 PM
I haven't watched a full AEW show since Double or Nothing but watch the clips on a Thursday and BTE, and I enjoy Silver. He's a laugh. I just hope AEW don't fall into the "over so they get a push" trap like with Orange Cassidy. It's alright being a midcarder. You can be the most over act in the company and just not fit that role. It's like Road Dogg in 1998. I don't think you'd hear many arguments that Triple H was more over at that point, but he rightfully wasn't pushed in the main event because his act didn't translate to that role. Let fun midcarders be fun midcarders. Like when people complained about Zack Ryder in 2012 - like, good on him for getting over and he deserved a spotlight on the show for that, but he clearly should have been getting kicked in by the top heels.

Hero!
March 8th, 2021, 3:23 PM
Luchasaurus is awful. Dude tries to be an “athletic big man” but all his athletic feats look like shit. It’s not good. He needs to work far more aggressively

guys like Cage, Luchasaurus, and Archer would benefit tremendously from just watching what Dustin Rhodes or will Hobbs do. Those guys know how to work their fuckin size

Donald
March 8th, 2021, 3:31 PM
Just seems like a really bloated roster. Hopefully they get another show starting soon. Does AEW Dark have any storyline progression or is just people fighting people?

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 3:34 PM
They're supposed to get a one hour TNT show sometime this year with Jericho on commentary for it.

Hero!
March 8th, 2021, 3:39 PM
Just seems like a really bloated roster. Hopefully they get another show starting soon. Does AEW Dark have any storyline progression or is just people fighting people?

Dark is basically what heat used to be. Midcard guys go there to squash jobbers or low card guys. The only storylines on there will be for lower card guys like Peter Avalon, Brandon Cutler, Serpentico, Luther, dark order's lower guys. It's a fine background noise show...i mostly watch it to see new faces and hear Taz's commentary.

Tim
March 8th, 2021, 3:54 PM
I think as a general rule you shouldn’t advertise a surprise new signing unless it’s Punk or Brock. If it’s not one of them two then just bring them in like you did Sting and Big Show.

Donald
March 8th, 2021, 3:55 PM
I think as a general rule you shouldn’t advertise a surprise new signing unless it’s Punk or Brock. If it’s not one of them two then just bring them in like you did Sting and Big Show.

I would have announced Christian, and had the surprise be Big Show, because that was genuinely a surprise.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 3:56 PM
How are you not impressed with his in ring work? He's so smooth, specifically with Reynolds. He's also strong as fuck.

I want to see him fight Pac and I think so do a lot of people after the tease last night.

The crowd was chanting "Johnny Hungie", for fucks sake.

I literally said why I'm not impressed. He does literally everything everyone else does just not as good. How many times did he do the same back brain kick? Half of them missed. Such a talent. Seeing him square up with Pac made my son go "Wow I didn't realize how tiny that guy is" because Pac is like 5'5".

WOW, Johnny Hungie chants!!?!??!? No fucking way. Wow. I mean, that right there is proof he's on his way. The talent around the ring chanting that is comical.




You're confusing Hero saying that Marko was marking out because Big Show is his favorite wrestler for anyone being excited about Marko.

I am and for that I apologize.


Yeah, it's a silly comparison because I don't think they're being received in remotely the same way from fans. It's not as easy to remark on with the lack of proper crowds but ND wanted evidence so here's some. cagematch.net is a big database where you can comment and rate on wrestlers, matches, events etc. I think it's a good source to see how wrestling fans generally view a given worker or match

Here's the last 10 comments on John Silver



and here's the last 10 comments on Marko Stunt



I wasn't even trying to make a side by side comparison of John Silver and Marko Stunt, I just used someone equally if not smaller than John Silver as way to show that yes, there are fans who appreciate what both contribute to the product.

But I will use your evidence as proof that he is more popular on cageside than Marko Stunt. An argument that was never actually made but hey, whatever it takes to sell a nobody as "over".

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 3:57 PM
I would have announced Christian, and had the surprise be Big Show, because that was genuinely a surprise.

Exactly. We've already had the "OMG Christian isn't in WWE anymore!" moment about 10+ years ago in TNA.

But hey we're in the realm of "booker of the year" according to some fans so you get what you get.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 4:02 PM
I literally said why I'm not impressed. He does literally everything everyone else does just not as good. How many times did he do the same back brain kick? Half of them missed. Such a talent. Seeing him square up with Pac made my son go "Wow I didn't realize how tiny that guy is" because Pac is like 5'5".

WOW, Johnny Hungie chants!!?!??!? No fucking way. Wow. I mean, that right there is proof he's on his way. The talent around the ring chanting that is comical.





I am and for that I apologize.



I wasn't even trying to make a side by side comparison of John Silver and Marko Stunt, I just used someone equally if not smaller than John Silver as way to show that yes, there are fans who appreciate what both contribute to the product.

But I will use your evidence as proof that he is more popular on cageside than Marko Stunt. An argument that was never actually made but hey, whatever it takes to sell a nobody as "over".

The fans in attendance were the ones chanting Johnny Hungie and it is a ridiculous chant, that's literally my point. You have to really love a wrestler to chant something that ridiculous.

So basically just because you don't like John Silver no one else must either seems to be your opinion, even when given evidence to the contrary.

You seem like you just want to win an award at the Player Haters Ball, to be honest.

Tainted Eclipse
March 8th, 2021, 4:09 PM
Luchasaurus is awful. Dude tries to be an “athletic big man” but all his athletic feats look like shit. It’s not good. He needs to work far more aggressively

guys like Cage, Luchasaurus, and Archer would benefit tremendously from just watching what Dustin Rhodes or will Hobbs do. Those guys know how to work their fuckin size

Strongly agree. He needs to simplify his offense badly

Donald
March 8th, 2021, 4:11 PM
I wish this was the 90s, where you didn't know contract statuses, etc. Then Christian showing up would have been oh wow.

Still waiting for the first AEW guy to defect to WWE though.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 4:43 PM
The fans in attendance were the ones chanting Johnny Hungie and it is a ridiculous chant, that's literally my point. You have to really love a wrestler to chant something that ridiculous.

So basically just because you don't like John Silver no one else must either seems to be your opinion, even when given evidence to the contrary.

You seem like you just want to win an award at the Player Haters Ball, to be honest.

People chant ridiculous shit all the time especially at AEW shows. I swear to God every wrestler has about 4 chants a piece and none of them are good. I mean, The Rock has been able to get some of the dumbest shit over with crowds over the last 2-3 years so are you really that shocked AOB?

No...you said my opinion was WRONG. So really it's YOU saying that if everyone doesn't like John Silver we're wrong and you're right. That's literally the sole reason for this wrestler even getting mentioned is because you told me I was WRONG. How ninja?

I just dropped $50 last night on this ppv while the rest of you snakes pirated it so who's the hater? Don't ever disrespect Outkast by speaking their song title.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 4:49 PM
People chant ridiculous shit all the time especially at AEW shows. I swear to God every wrestler has about 4 chants a piece and none of them are good. I mean, The Rock has been able to get some of the dumbest shit over with crowds over the last 2-3 years so are you really that shocked AOB?

No...you said my opinion was WRONG. So really it's YOU saying that if everyone doesn't like John Silver we're wrong and you're right. That's literally the sole reason for this wrestler even getting mentioned is because you told me I was WRONG. How ninja?

I just dropped $50 last night on this ppv while the rest of you snakes pirated it so who's the hater? Don't ever disrespect Outkast by speaking their song title.

Who's this we you're talking about, you and your son? As opposed to evidence from a website and multiple posters here who like him and say he's good.

I dropped $20. Learn how to use a vpn. :dunno:

I was referencing Chappelle's Show.

Donald
March 8th, 2021, 4:54 PM
I dropped $0 and did something better with my time.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 4:57 PM
Who's this we you're talking about, you and your son? As opposed to evidence from a website and multiple posters here who like him and say he's good.

I dropped $20. Learn how to use a vpn. :dunno:

I was referencing Chappelle's Show.

I'm saying "we" in general. You're trying to say you're own personal opinion is right. That's comedy. I never said nobody on the planet likes John Silver and I never said if you think he's over you're wrong. I pointed out why I personally don't think he's over at all and you're trying to defend this guy for what reason? Did he vote for Trump as well, idk....

Good for you buddy! Don't calling someone a player hater when they're contributing more than you are to make sure a product exists. Wow, you paid $20...And? Still a pirate. Typical Trumper.

Defrost
March 8th, 2021, 5:00 PM
Luchasaurus' mask is so cheap looking

Hero!
March 8th, 2021, 5:02 PM
Luchasaurus' mask is so cheap looking

his vibora mask on LU was way cooler

https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc0MTc0NzA5ODkyNzIwMTI0/lucha-tributes-pindar-vibora.jpg

Plus i prefer my big men in boots. I think he looked so much better in this gear than his AEW stuff. Same with Cage...looked aweomse in a singlet w/ boots. Looks more like an indie guy in his trunks and kickpads.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 5:04 PM
I'm saying "we" in general. You're trying to say you're own personal opinion is right. That's comedy. I never said nobody on the planet likes John Silver and I never said if you think he's over you're wrong. I pointed out why I personally don't think he's over at all and you're trying to defend this guy for what reason? Did he vote for Trump as well, idk....

Good for you buddy! Don't calling someone a player hater when they're contributing more than you are to make sure a product exists. Wow, you paid $20...And? Still a pirate. Typical Trumper.

Ringo and I have both proved he is over you just don't like the fact for whatever reason.

Of course when you can't make an argument for shit you have to make it about politics. You and Peter Griffin are a lot alike, I guess.

Paying money is not being a pirate. I buy every PPV I'm just tech savvy enough not to pay $50. Fite TV is a ppv partner.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 5:08 PM
Ringo and I have both proved he is over you just don't like the fact for whatever reason.

Of course when you can't make an argument for shit you have to make it about politics. You and Peter Griffin are a lot alike, I guess.

Paying money is not being a pirate. I buy every PPV I'm just tech savvy enough not to pay $50. Fite TV is a ppv partner.

And again...I'm not saying you guys are wrong lol. I'm saying it's your opinion that he's over. You telling someone they're wrong for having a different opinion, sounds very AOC of you.

I did make a perfectly clear argument. I don't think he's over, you think he is. Good luck with that.

Tech savvy? Yeah, that's what all hackers aka modern day pirates say all the time. You going around having to pay the actual cost is some shady shit. Especially when you're trying to call someone a player hater. I'm willing to NOT be a shady person and pay the full price. YOU are doing what you Trumpers always do. Find a way to fuck the minority.

Ringo
March 8th, 2021, 5:09 PM
Everything about LU was cooler. :(

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 5:11 PM
Everything about LU was cooler. :(

Did they shoot that in the same location as Wrestling Society X?

I bought the entire season of WSX at Wal-Mart years ago. It's very fun to watch.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 5:11 PM
And again...I'm not saying you guys are wrong lol. I'm saying it's your opinion that he's over. You telling someone they're wrong for having a different opinion, sounds very AOC of you.

I did make a perfectly clear argument. I don't think he's over, you think he is. Good luck with that.

Tech savvy? Yeah, that's what all hackers aka modern day pirates say all the time. You going around having to pay the actual cost is some shady shit. Especially when you're trying to call someone a player hater. I'm willing to NOT be a shady person and pay the full price. YOU are doing what you Trumpers always do. Find a way to fuck the minority.

:lol: You're really just showing how old you are if you want to compare widely available vpns advertised on almost every podcast as hacking. Who's the minority?

Peter Griffin
March 8th, 2021, 5:11 PM
Did Alvarez really say say AEW finally had their botchamania moment :lol:
I guess even the official PR guys couldn't save that one.

Hero!
March 8th, 2021, 5:12 PM
Everything about LU was cooler. :(

Agreed....it was really something special.

LU lives on through MLW...well, Mil Muertes at least. Really hoping Dario Cueto shows up there soon. He's the best GM character since attitude era VKM.

Ringo
March 8th, 2021, 5:13 PM
Did they shoot that in the same location as Wrestling Society X?

I bought the entire season of WSX at Wal-Mart years ago. It's very fun to watch.

You never watched Lucha Underground?

It was great. I actually think it might even be more up your street. :dunno:

Morrison
March 8th, 2021, 5:29 PM
I dropped $0 and did something better with my time.
yet now you're spending it here talking about shit without watching, like usual.

BGMaverick
March 8th, 2021, 5:31 PM
Did Alvarez really say say AEW finally had their botchamania moment :lol:
I guess even the official PR guys couldn't save that one.

From what I listened to, it seemed like they did a reasonable job saying it was terrible.

mr sabu
March 8th, 2021, 5:39 PM
Did Alvarez really say say AEW finally had their botchamania moment :lol:
I guess even the official PR guys couldn't save that one.

Could make an aew jr version already

Peter Griffin
March 8th, 2021, 5:42 PM
Just to be clear I love AEW, Can't be doing with Dave and Bryan.

So with recent signings what is the next step in giving Vinny Mac a true kick up the ass? Then again I guess he has no reason to fight back like against WCW because of the tv contracts he has now.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 6:32 PM
You never watched Lucha Underground?

It was great. I actually think it might even be more up your street. :dunno:

Oh my bad I probably worded that wrong. I saw the first season on Netflix and I think maybe even some of season 2. I always thought LU and WSX were shot in a very similar looking spot but I just looked up both spots again and yeah, pretty different.

Lucha Underground was very cool. I actually first started watching it on tv but couldn't understand the dialogue very well so when Netflix put it up I was very happy, except for the fact that I went from Hugo and Vamp to Matt Striker and Vamp.

Pentagon was the god of that show for me. I had only seen maybe 2 matches of his prior to LU. Same with Rey Fenix.

Nash Diesel
March 8th, 2021, 6:40 PM
:lol: You're really just showing how old you are if you want to compare widely available vpns advertised on almost every podcast as hacking. Who's the minority?

I know exactly what a VPN is young man. You're showing your age by thinking everyone else is wrong because they don't agree to your OPINION.

I mean seriously, all this over Long John Silver? Maybe if dude came out with some hush puppies and those little crispy things he'd win me over. I was going to buy his shirt but they must be completely sold out.


Just to be clear I love AEW, Can't be doing with Dave and Bryan.

So with recent signings what is the next step in giving Vinny Mac a true kick up the ass? Then again I guess he has no reason to fight back like against WCW because of the tv contracts he has now.

Well, I doubt that Vince or anyone for that matter consider Christian Cage, Big Show, and Ethan Page a threat to the WWE product. People just need to stop even trying to talk about WWE v. anyone else because WWE are their own shit. When AEW or ROH or whoever have the multi-layer company that is World Wrestling Entertainment, then we can talk.

It's like thinking your local amusement park can compete with Disney World. Vince only cared when his pocket book was getting the work, now he's making more money than ever-including the peak years of pro wrestling ratings and interest-so until someone/something comes along and fucks with that, WWE are going to do what they want.

Vince and co. got out of the wrestling business when Cyndi Lauper came along. Nobody ever went to the WWF to have great matches they went for exposure. Same holds true today. IDGAF how great Kenny Omega is or how great Jungle Boy Johnson is, if you're not in the WWE, who gives a shit?

Tainted Eclipse
March 8th, 2021, 6:41 PM
first season and a half of lucha underground was the best episodic wrestling since 2000 WWF. such a shame they ran it into the ground

Tim
March 8th, 2021, 6:56 PM
I think the first to jump from AEW to WWE will be Sammy Guevara. It might be a long while before he's considered AEW World Champion material and he might get impatient and take an offer to jump to WWE with a promise of being NXT World Champion.

And eventually once live crowds are back and he gets bored with his position in AEW Cody will jump ship for a WM World title win and run. No way he's content with there never being a Rhodes as World Champ in WWE.

I just watched the finish of the barbwire match and... Goldberg's entrance looks more dangerous.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 7:03 PM
Cody is an EVP. He's not going anywhere.

Bert
March 8th, 2021, 7:17 PM
Why does Max Caster kiss hands? Is he french? That was the weirdest spot of the ladder match to me.

Morrison
March 8th, 2021, 7:24 PM
And eventually once live crowds are back and he gets bored with his position in AEW Cody will jump ship for a WM World title win and run. No way he's content with there never being a Rhodes as World Champ in WWE.


uhhhh, no.

Badger
March 9th, 2021, 4:03 AM
Just caught up with Revolution. Really good overall but the phrase “didn’t end with a bang but a whimper!” seems appropriate!

Murphy
March 9th, 2021, 7:00 AM
Felt really bad for the talent with the finish. A great match though.

It may have been obvious, but was it known ahead of time that the Sting match was going to be cinematic? I mean, I know about Sting's injuries and limitations, but with him taking bumps on Dynamite, I wasn't sure.

I love Taz. I always have. Dude makes me laugh and always puts over the talent, whilst still being a heel. Tempted to watch Dark because of him, if it wasn't so damned long. Speaking of Dark, what's the difference going to be with Dark and the new Dark 'Elavation' show? It's still a YouTube show, so...

I agree that the Christian reveal was a letdown. In that how they presented it, I mean. Love Christian, but it's 2021. Tone it down a bit.

Ringo
March 9th, 2021, 7:40 AM
Taz's commentary is the best thing about Dark - he should really be in the main announce booth alongside Excalibur and Schiavone. They'd be a good trio. JR can do Dark Elevation with Jericho if they absolutely must keep him around.

Peter Griffin
March 9th, 2021, 7:49 AM
Nah just let JR go and let him go for his pervy foot rubs every day.

Peter Griffin
March 9th, 2021, 7:49 AM
Taz is great.

Murphy
March 9th, 2021, 7:50 AM
Totally agree there. Totally.

Peter Griffin
March 9th, 2021, 7:54 AM
I was pleasantly surprised to hear Paul say Vince called him and congratulated on his new gig, I doubt he afforded Christian the same courtesy though :lol:

Why bring him in for the rumble if he's not locked in though? Christian doesn't strike me as someone who would act in bad faith so WWE must have fucked this one.

Tainted Eclipse
March 9th, 2021, 8:21 AM
Taz's commentary is the best thing about Dark - he should really be in the main announce booth alongside Excalibur and Schiavone. They'd be a good trio. JR can do Dark Elevation with Jericho if they absolutely must keep him around.

I think JR appreciates the gig and they don’t have the heart to put him out to pasture

chatty
March 9th, 2021, 9:09 AM
Maybes WWE don't actually care about Christian going there. They got a nice surprise entrant out of the RR out of him but what else would he do, WWEs roster is stacked and I don't they have anything near the top for him so he's probably better off in AEW.

He's also 47 year old with a lot of injury problems so hes unlikely to push AEW into the mainstream, solid hand for them and will help the youngsters get over but not really a blow for WWE.

BGMaverick
March 9th, 2021, 10:42 AM
solid hand for them and will help the youngsters get over but not really a blow for WWE.

Granted they have guys like Blanchard, Rhodes (Dustin), Roberts, who do stuff while either not wrestling very much or at all, but I do wonder where the saturation point is with the amount of these guys they need for that type of role or that purpose in mind.

Badger
March 9th, 2021, 11:27 AM
I think JR appreciates the gig and they don’t have the heart to put him out to pasture

That is likely what it is with JR. He really shouldn't have been commentating at Revolution the way his voice was but I guess money talks even if he couldn't!

However I'd have thought he'd maybe think about retiring as under the impression he's pretty financially well set.

Hero!
March 9th, 2021, 11:31 AM
JR is still a better commentator then most others in wrestling. Ill talk JR rambling on about nothing, forgetting peoples name, pervving on women, and generally giving no fucks over a josh matthew or michael cole or tom thomson who sound like computer-generated announcers.

Schiavone is a godsend in that booth.

Nash Diesel
March 9th, 2021, 12:57 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to hear Paul say Vince called him and congratulated on his new gig, I doubt he afforded Christian the same courtesy though :lol:

Why bring him in for the rumble if he's not locked in though? Christian doesn't strike me as someone who would act in bad faith so WWE must have fucked this one.

I'm actually shocked someone that goes above and beyond to back up Vince's decisions that you automatically just assumed it was something negative on WWE's part. Carlito was in that Rumble as well. Literally every year since like the early 90's we've had people from the past show up at Rumble and they're never seen again.


Maybes WWE don't actually care about Christian going there. They got a nice surprise entrant out of the RR out of him but what else would he do, WWEs roster is stacked and I don't they have anything near the top for him so he's probably better off in AEW.

He's also 47 year old with a lot of injury problems so hes unlikely to push AEW into the mainstream, solid hand for them and will help the youngsters get over but not really a blow for WWE.

I don't think they cared one bit. Vince was never a big Christian fan and being a great worker doesn't always translate into superstar main event status. I'm a huge Christian fan and I have no clue what if any plans WWE might have had for him beyond the Rumble. Like I said above though, to me it was just another throwback entrant like Jillian Hall and Carlito were. AEW has no problem picking up anyone that has been on WWE tv over the last 40 years so I'm not shocked he's going to risk his life to get a reverse frankensteiner off the top through 2 tables of sparklers.

Peter Griffin
March 9th, 2021, 1:18 PM
Not withstanding the fact I have been critical of wwe plenty when I feel it's warranted,

Yes Christian being in there after not being cleared for years and having a moment with what is now the WM main eventer is exactly the same as a couple of nostalgia pops every year.

That's a F for effort Nash, Try better.

Nash Diesel
March 9th, 2021, 1:32 PM
Not withstanding the fact I have been critical of wwe plenty when I feel it's warranted,

Yes Christian being in there after not being cleared for years and having a moment with what is now the WM main eventer is exactly the same as a couple of nostalgia pops every year.

That's a F for effort Nash, Try better.

He had a moment...Wow. He also had moments prior with Orton, as did Big Show, Ric Flair, etc.

I think you're reading too much into Christian of all people being in AEW. So you can get an A for being your usual skitzo self but an F for thinking something that ignorant. That WWE must have fucked up something...like what? Let us know Pete Meltzer.

Morrison
March 9th, 2021, 1:54 PM
Granted they have guys like Blanchard, Rhodes (Dustin), Roberts, who do stuff while either not wrestling very much or at all, but I do wonder where the saturation point is with the amount of these guys they need for that type of role or that purpose in mind.

I mean, I doubt there's a limit on that kind of thing, especially when they are all from different eras of the business and can offer way different perspectives.

Morrison
March 9th, 2021, 1:55 PM
JR is still a better commentator then most others in wrestling. Ill talk JR rambling on about nothing, forgetting peoples name, pervving on women, and generally giving no fucks over a josh matthew or michael cole or tom thomson who sound like computer-generated announcers.

Schiavone is a godsend in that booth.

my love for skeeavone grows more and more everyday.

Nash Diesel
March 9th, 2021, 2:14 PM
There isn't a single company in all of wrestling that has a good English speaking announce team. There are good people in these companies don't get me wrong but the pairings are unfortunately pretty weak. In the major companies they all lack a good play by play man. My personal favorites are JR and Joey Styles, but JR's time has come and Joey isn't interested, plus we need the 90's versions.

Right now everyone is very robotic for the most part. WWE has some good people but most are in that school of Michael Cole-who doesn't totally suck as we saw in non-Vince heavy shows he's done. But ultimately what we get is pretty whack.

BGMaverick
March 9th, 2021, 2:16 PM
I mean, I doubt there's a limit on that kind of thing, especially when they are all from different eras of the business and can offer way different perspectives.

The ability to serve different purposes certainly helps. I know I mentioned those guys, but I was referencing more the OPs point in regards to my curiosity in which was more in the literal in-ring working sense. In that circumstance, you're adding Cage to the likes of Jericho, Sting, Hardy, and I guess to a lesser degree Hager. Obviously there's not a tried and true breaking point but it's still something I'm intrigued by.

Hero!
March 9th, 2021, 2:29 PM
my love for skeeavone grows more and more everyday.

I'm so happy that conrad brought that man back to wrestling. He's so damn good at commentary.

I miss the NWA commentary team. Stu & Joe Gali were awesome together. Loved Cornette in that role too.

Defrost
March 9th, 2021, 2:30 PM
It's rough if they don't have Excalibur there. He's the only one who seems to know what is actually happening most of the time.

Ringo
March 9th, 2021, 2:34 PM
Yeah, Excalibur holds it all together. Stumbles over his words sometimes and he's not that interesting but he does a reasonable job I'd say.



I miss the NWA commentary team. Stu & Joe Gali were awesome together. Loved Cornette in that role too.

Forgot about them. They were the best announce team going.

Morrison
March 9th, 2021, 2:36 PM
I'm so happy that conrad brought that man back to wrestling. He's so damn good at commentary.

I miss the NWA commentary team. Stu & Joe Gali were awesome together. Loved Cornette in that role too.

same. I was a wcw kid, so schiavone is really a big 'voice of wrestling's to me. you can tell through his commentary that he's enjoying the product, is invested, has brushed up on history and has a pretty good eye for details. I'm super glad he's all over the company.

Nash Diesel
March 9th, 2021, 2:39 PM
It's rough if they don't have Excalibur there. He's the only one who seems to know what is actually happening most of the time.

I disagree. I think he is knowledgeable, but he's still just alright. He's still trying to be the PWG guy but I can definitely hear improvement.

My problem with all of this talk today is that we're lead to believe that when Jim Ross spoke "negatively" about the product, nobody but Darby gave a shit. Nobody in that company was going to bat for Jim when that dork friend of the Bucks shit on him and the reports from AEW Dave and company were that a lot of people did not like what JR had to say-which wasn't even that bad!

I want to believe that a guy like Excalibur is being given advice and taking it and improving so he can be a good commentator. Sadly I think most of these guys assume they already know everything and are content with where they are. Especially if they live and die by WON awards.

Sasori
March 9th, 2021, 5:51 PM
Taz's commentary is the best thing about Dark - he should really be in the main announce booth alongside Excalibur and Schiavone. They'd be a good trio. JR can do Dark Elevation with Jericho if they absolutely must keep him around.

Half the reason I tune into Dark is for Taz's commentary. He's been one of the MVP's of 2020 in that regard.

Hero!
March 9th, 2021, 5:54 PM
Half the reason I tune into Dark is for Taz's commentary. He's been one of the MVP's of 2020 in that regard.

He and Anthony Ogogo have a tremendous chemistry.

Donald
March 9th, 2021, 6:11 PM
Ogogo = Oganesson Oganesson Oxygen .... Even better chemistry

Peter Griffin
March 9th, 2021, 6:25 PM
-1 is my favourite commentator, When he told Excalibur to shut up the other week, loved it :lol:

Nash Diesel
March 9th, 2021, 6:41 PM
-1 didn't grow up on some bullshit PWG he grew up on the real shit. That kid is going to grow up and be WWE champion one day. The son of Luke Harper accomplishing his father's dream, what a fucking story.

He just needs to get on the gas asap, that Vince Russo guns aren't going to cut it.

Donald
March 9th, 2021, 6:51 PM
-1 didn't grow up on some bullshit PWG he grew up on the real shit. That kid is going to grow up and be WWE champion one day. The son of Luke Harper accomplishing his father's dream, what a fucking story.

He just needs to get on the gas asap, that Vince Russo guns aren't going to cut it.

Because by the time he's old enough AEW will no longer exisf?

Nash Diesel
March 9th, 2021, 6:58 PM
Because by the time he's old enough AEW will no longer exisf?

More about the fact AEW's been around a year and we have no idea what they'll look like if/when that kid decides to step in the ring. I mean they could still exist but there are promotions who have been around 20 years like Impact and ROH that probably don't have a lot of people in the business feeling accomplished with their World titles.

Donald
March 10th, 2021, 11:45 AM
I actually don't think WWE will be around by the time he's old enough. At least not as we know it today. I think some major company will buy it then it'll slowly dissolve it lol

Nash Diesel
March 10th, 2021, 12:28 PM
I actually don't think WWE will be around by the time he's old enough. At least not as we know it today. I think some major company will buy it then it'll slowly dissolve it lol

Let's be honest, that kid isn't going into wrestling.

WWE will be around as long as it stays in the family. Once it leaves, whoever controls it won't have the passion to keep that shit going.

Hero!
March 10th, 2021, 12:35 PM
I could see wwe selling outside of the family within the next 10 years.

Peter Griffin
March 10th, 2021, 12:37 PM
Does Tony Khan have kids? Hey Dad the name on the contract does read Khan...

Donald
March 10th, 2021, 12:39 PM
Chaka maybe.

Nash Diesel
March 10th, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Donald
March 10th, 2021, 3:00 PM
Should be a good show tonight. Will be exciting to see Christian Cage. Do you think they'll immediately thrust him into the World Title picture?

Nash Diesel
March 10th, 2021, 3:34 PM
Should be a good show tonight. Will be exciting to see Christian Cage. Do you think they'll immediately thrust him into the World Title picture?

I doubt it. He'll probably join the Dark Order and do some Brood knock off with John Silver and -1

ckauffman28
March 10th, 2021, 3:35 PM
i thought they werent gonna do that with Cage but who knows...

Hero!
March 10th, 2021, 3:40 PM
It's hard to think of who christian could feud with because everyone is kinda tied up, but I could see it being Christian vs Team Taz in some way now that sting/darby are done with them

Nash Diesel
March 10th, 2021, 4:04 PM
It's hard to think of who christian could feud with because everyone is kinda tied up, but I could see it being Christian vs Team Taz in some way now that sting/darby are done with them

They have a trillion people on the roster, most aren't even used, so he'll have quite a bit to choose from.

I want something fresh. There are a lot of good wrestlers, the last thing I want is to see him work with WWE wrestlers as he's wrestled pretty much everyone from there that's in AEW many times.

Donald
March 10th, 2021, 4:10 PM
It's hard to think of who christian could feud with because everyone is kinda tied up, but I could see it being Christian vs Team Taz in some way now that sting/darby are done with them

:idea: Christian Cage vs. Brian Cage in a Steel Cage!

Ringo
March 10th, 2021, 4:12 PM
I'd like to see Cage work with and put over Ricky Starks actually.

Also want a Miro/Darby feud.

Hero!
March 10th, 2021, 4:13 PM
I'd like to see Cage work with and put over Ricky Starks.

Also want a Miro/Darby feud.

Miro absolutely battered the dorks he worked on the PPV, I can only imagine how amazing his beatdown to Darby will be. I'd love a nice Miro TNT run too.

Nash Diesel
March 10th, 2021, 4:22 PM
I feel so bad for Miro. WWE cuts him, and what happens? He should have went to ROH or New Japan or even MLW. For me, the serious killer is what I enjoy more than his real persona that we've seen more and more over the years. He seems like a really cool guy to kick it with, has a hot wife, but WWE and AEW must really hate Bulgaria.

VHS
March 10th, 2021, 9:21 PM
Acknowledging the shitty explosion is not doing them any good. This is cringe.

Bert
March 10th, 2021, 9:41 PM
What the fuck happened to the audio?

RadOnAnxiety
March 10th, 2021, 10:27 PM
With the Matt Hardy direction of feuding with the Dark Order, I think it would of been interesting if they would of had Broken Matt been a fan of Dark Order and Big Money Matt hate Dark Order. Then it would of confused everyone involved which Matt Hardy they were going to deal with. Though I'm sure he is done with the Broken character for now.

Donald
March 10th, 2021, 10:49 PM
I doubt it. He'll probably join the Dark Order and do some Brood knock off with John Silver and -1

You doubt wrong lol

Bert
March 10th, 2021, 10:56 PM
MJF IN THE FOUR HORSEMEN :panic:

Defrost
March 10th, 2021, 11:00 PM
Good angle.

JuveLeo
March 10th, 2021, 11:06 PM
I like MJF in this type of faction. I don't think he really fit in well with Inner Circle.

Morrison
March 10th, 2021, 11:23 PM
Acknowledging the shitty explosion is not doing them any good. This is cringe.

says the master of cringe on this forum. fuck outta here.

Dreyski
March 11th, 2021, 5:41 AM
8218433 (tel:8218433)[/URL]:idea: Christian Cage vs. Brian Cage in a Steel Cage!
Or Christian Cage & Adam Page vs Ethan Page & Brian Cage in a Steel Cage :chin:

Hero!
March 11th, 2021, 8:40 AM
says the master of cringe on this forum. fuck outta here.

yeah, wtf? Mox and Kingston’s promo was great and I think they pulled off the desired effect very nicely

PurePlayer
March 11th, 2021, 11:41 AM
I like how AEW went right into building new storylines and feuds right after the ppv. I think WWE misses the boat on doing that sometimes.

Just from last night we know of Archer/Sting, Darby/Sky, MJF's Faction vs Inner Circle, Omega/Christian, Penta/Cody, Kingston/Moxley vs Good Bros, Pac/Fenix vs Bucks.

They probably could've done without so many heel turns and face turns on the same show. Maybe save the Scorpio Sky turn for the following week. Was Penta always a heel or was last night considered his heel turn? Archer was a heel then a face now back to a heel which is what he should be.

I loved the swerve with the Inner Circle. I was expecting MJF to take over the group and turn on Jericho and Sammy but I think this is even better.

PurePlayer
March 11th, 2021, 11:42 AM
yeah, wtf? Mox and Kingston’s promo was great and I think they pulled off the desired effect very nicely

I agree. However, I don't think they should've kept talking about it later in the night with Omega.

Ringo
March 11th, 2021, 11:46 AM
Yeah Mox and King did a good job which isn't a surprise as they're two of the best talkers in the business. The "if you're going to flash a weapon... you better use it" line was a good one.

Dynamite delivered - they've rebounded well from the PPV I'd say.

Loved the Penta/Cody and Inner Circle segments. Penta killed it. I hope he "breaks" Cody's arm and writes him off TV for a while. Everyone killed it in the final segment. I'm all for this new Horsemen faction and I'm all for the Inner Circle returning to its original form. All set for War Games I'm guessing.

Christian's appearance was a bit... oddly timed? I feel like he should be talking right off the bat, introducing himself and stating his intentions. No reason to hold off on him challenging Omega though I guess.

Archer appearing to challenge Sting could be good. Archer has to be going over. Scorpio Sky's not done anything for me so a heel turn is welcome.

Hero!
March 11th, 2021, 11:46 AM
I agree. However, I don't think they should've kept talking about it later in the night with Omega.

I enjoyed that segment too with omega and don picking on Kingston like a bunch of dickhead bullies.

"69 me, Don!" is an amazing line too.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 1:17 PM
Everything that had nothing to do with talking about the end of the ppv or the women's tag match was really, really good last night.

Archer v. Sting's stunt double should be pretty awesome.

So yeah if they can just not worry about the failed ending of that long ass ppv I'm high on everything they're doing right now for the most part. Damn good Fenix match as well.


says the master of cringe on this forum. fuck outta here.

That means he can easily recognize it.

The reality is Eddie Kingston fucked up. He stuck to the script instead of ad-libbing. Now they're trying to save face by having Don Callis 69 Kenny Omega and wow, that's fucking hilarious.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 1:18 PM
I enjoyed that segment too with omega and don picking on Kingston like a bunch of dickhead bullies.

"69 me, Don!" is an amazing line too.

I know right? I was like, damn, why don't we see this stuff more in other promotions. It took me back to the peak years of wrestling so hopefully doing this kind of stuff will bump that rating into the 5's. MLW needs to take note.

Sasori
March 11th, 2021, 1:21 PM
I don't think I've ever heard Penta speak English before. He sounds chilling no matter what language he's speaking in :scared: They went with such a simple and effective way to start the feud too.

chatty
March 11th, 2021, 1:24 PM
Granted they have guys like Blanchard, Rhodes (Dustin), Roberts, who do stuff while either not wrestling very much or at all, but I do wonder where the saturation point is with the amount of these guys they need for that type of role or that purpose in mind.

There will be a poi t but I guess it depends on what they are doing backstage. Think Christian said he was also going to be training and working on production. Big Show is working on commentary, I'd imagine Jake could be working on booking/writing so if they have all.these hands in backstage roles who can also add a bit to the TV and wrestling then they aren't bad to have about.

Most other wrestling companies do this but I think the problem becomes when they are taking up the bulk of TV time and stopping the prime and future talent from getting over like on TNA. I don't think AEW has hit that spot yet but there are going to be more veterans on offer and will AEW just keep snapping them up.

I think they have just about the right balance for where they are now.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 2:42 PM
I don't think I've ever heard Penta speak English before. He sounds chilling no matter what language he's speaking in :scared: They went with such a simple and effective way to start the feud too.

2 things, you owe me for the gimmick and Penta is probably the coolest looking wrestler in the company. I'm actually glad he's not teaming up with Fenix, I don't like any of the Death Triangle in a tag-team situation to be honest. They should all be going after singles gold. Pentagon has lost a little steam being in the tag division and not really doing much while in it so this is fucking exciting.

Ringo
March 11th, 2021, 2:50 PM
Only problem is Penta is quite clearly far cooler and more likeable than Cody who for some reason is still supposed to be a face. It made sense when AEW began but he's gradually become less and less likeable as time's gone by and he'd surely be getting booed by proper crowds by now. He needs to break his promise about challenging for the world title and go full heel.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 3:00 PM
Only problem is Penta is quite clearly far cooler and more likeable than Cody who for some reason is still supposed to be a face. It made sense when AEW began but he's gradually become less and less likeable as time's gone by and he'd surely be getting booed by proper crowds by now. He needs to break his promise about challenging for the world title and go full heel.

I would prefer all companies to book Penta like LU did where he was just beating everyone's ass, including women.

Cody can easily turn heel. Just up the reality of his position in AEW and then he can break his promise, go after the babyface World champion (whoever beats Kenny).

The sad thing is, I think they're going to have Cody beat Kenny for the title after Kenny unifies the AEW and Impact titles.

Hero!
March 11th, 2021, 3:01 PM
yeah, i want full-blown egotistical heel cody. The most pyro, 40 people in the nightmare family, big cars on his entrance, all of it.

He's already doing most of that, just do it as a HEEL

Hero!
March 11th, 2021, 3:02 PM
"Cody can't challenge for the world title, but I never said anythign about Cody Rhodes..."

Easy as that.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 3:06 PM
Everything about Cody is already heel, he just doesn't wrestle heels. He has the most absurd entrance, the stupid fucking neck tat, the arrogant promos, the self absorbed interviews both in and out of the company, the fact Ringside thinks we need 15 different Cody Rhodes figures. He has one of the best heels as his manager, Arn Anderson.

This company is all about pissing on kayfabe's grave so why not just say fuck it and talk about Cody booking himself to already win one title (TNT title) what's stopping him from booking himself to win the World title? Then he can 69 with his brother.

Ringo
March 11th, 2021, 3:13 PM
He's even changed his theme, which was enjoyable, by adding that Snoop rap and it all just sounds like such a mess now.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 3:24 PM
I think he should steal the nickname Cornette's show gave him, The Wrestling Sage. Just going around telling us how it should be, what's truly best for the wrestling industry, etc.

Donald
March 11th, 2021, 5:43 PM
Looks like Dynamite dropped significantly in viewership this week. Is it because of the ending of the PPV?

Hero!
March 11th, 2021, 5:46 PM
Probably, plus NXT had 3 title matches this week.

Peter Griffin
March 11th, 2021, 5:48 PM
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DEMO DAMN IT

Donald
March 11th, 2021, 5:55 PM
Probably, plus NXT had 3 title matches this week.

I could see that being a factor, but NXT's viewership barely changed.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 6:26 PM
Shaq. Shit even I underestimated his drawing power but what other reason could it be? I would actually be interested to see if his match was the peak and it just dropped immediately after he was done. Which wouldn't be good because they were the opening match and it lasted about 10 minutes.

Sasori
March 11th, 2021, 7:28 PM
2 things, you owe me for the gimmick and Penta is probably the coolest looking wrestler in the company. I'm actually glad he's not teaming up with Fenix, I don't like any of the Death Triangle in a tag-team situation to be honest. They should all be going after singles gold. Pentagon has lost a little steam being in the tag division and not really doing much while in it so this is fucking exciting.

When I write my autobiography, I'll make sure to give you a shout out.


I would prefer all companies to book Penta like LU did where he was just beating everyone's ass, including women.

Cody can easily turn heel. Just up the reality of his position in AEW and then he can break his promise, go after the babyface World champion (whoever beats Kenny).

The sad thing is, I think they're going to have Cody beat Kenny for the title after Kenny unifies the AEW and Impact titles.

Penta needs to go back to breaking people's arms. He did that to a jobber this week on Dark and the crowd ate it up. I expect that will play into the Cody feud since he alluded to it on Dynamite.

Nash Diesel
March 11th, 2021, 11:34 PM
When I write my autobiography, I'll make sure to give you a shout out.



Penta needs to go back to breaking people's arms. He did that to a jobber this week on Dark and the crowd ate it up. I expect that will play into the Cody feud since he alluded to it on Dynamite.

It was brutal. He's what drew me in to Lucha Underground and he's the reason I started watching Impact more than I had in years. Instead of 69ing Don Callis let's have Penta "break" Brandi's pregnant arm. Afterbirth on a pole match.

Nash Diesel
March 12th, 2021, 1:28 PM
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I saw this on FB

Bert
March 12th, 2021, 1:41 PM
Spoiler on MJFs stable name.
The Pinnacle

Maybe it will grow on me, I don't think I liked Inner Circle at first but I'm not loving it. I just hope there's no jokes about TP = toilet paper, with "no more BS" who knows if they would do something that cringy. I wish it was New Horsemen

Morrison
March 12th, 2021, 1:50 PM
Spoiler on MJFs stable name.
The Pinnacle

Maybe it will grow on me, I don't think I liked Inner Circle at first but I'm not loving it. I just hope there's no jokes about TP = toilet paper, with "no more BS" who knows if they would do something that cringy. I wish it was New Horsemen
yeah, I'm not really feeling it. sounds so generic.

Nash Diesel
March 12th, 2021, 2:42 PM
Spoiler on MJFs stable name.
The Pinnacle

Maybe it will grow on me, I don't think I liked Inner Circle at first but I'm not loving it. I just hope there's no jokes about TP = toilet paper, with "no more BS" who knows if they would do something that cringy. I wish it was New Horsemen

"69 me Don"

Donald
March 12th, 2021, 3:32 PM
Ok

Hero!
March 12th, 2021, 4:05 PM
yeah, I'm not really feeling it. sounds so generic.

Honestly, i hated "inner circle" at first too, but it grew on me

Hero!
March 12th, 2021, 4:06 PM
I wish MJF could bring over Hammerstone and Richard Holliday from MLW and just be The Dynasty

Ringo
March 12th, 2021, 4:25 PM
Revolution was the highest grossing non-WWE PPV since 1999. Which probably sounds more impressive than it actually is.

Hero!
March 12th, 2021, 4:32 PM
that would include ALL-IN then, no? That was a huge card.

Nash Diesel
March 12th, 2021, 4:40 PM
Yeah it's a weird accomplishment but impressive nonetheless. It was one of the few AEW ppvs I myself have paid for, usually if I watch their ppvs a friend of mine will get it and then he'll come over to watch UFC or WWE stuff with me.

The ppv is being considered probably the worst AEW ppv they've put on but I loved it. I watched it a 2nd time on Tuesday and it was still really good.

Donald
March 12th, 2021, 5:02 PM
Well they hooked people with a exploding barbed wire death match and two surprise signings.

Psycho666Soldier
March 12th, 2021, 6:13 PM
Yeah it's a weird accomplishment but impressive nonetheless. It was one of the few AEW ppvs I myself have paid for, usually if I watch their ppvs a friend of mine will get it and then he'll come over to watch UFC or WWE stuff with me.

The ppv is being considered probably the worst AEW ppv they've put on but I loved it. I watched it a 2nd time on Tuesday and it was still really good.

That's a shame if it's being considered the worst AEW PPV because I thought other than parts of the ladder match and the very end, the show killed.

Nash Diesel
March 12th, 2021, 6:24 PM
Well they hooked people with a exploding barbed wire death match and two surprise signings.

My tax return is what hooked me.


That's a shame if it's being considered the worst AEW PPV because I thought other than parts of the ladder match and the very end, the show killed.

I can see why some fans would see it that way. I mean, as a ppv in general it was very good but the complaints are valid-they're just things that I don't give a shit about, with ANY promotion.

VHS
March 12th, 2021, 11:16 PM
Inner Circle vs. Pinnacle feels like Evil Faction 23C vs. Evil Faction 24A.

Bert
March 12th, 2021, 11:18 PM
Inner Circle vs. *snip* feels like Evil Faction 23C vs. Evil Faction 24A.

You might want to spoiler the name, leave it up to people if they want to know or wait til Wednesday. :dunno:

VHS
March 12th, 2021, 11:19 PM
Ahh, you're right. DONE

Nash Diesel
March 13th, 2021, 3:16 PM
Still not feelin Shawn Spears. It might be some inner jealousy that he's married to Peyton Royce or that I just never thought he was cool with his "sweet" hair designs and perfect 10 gimmick. Or his spaceman gear he used to wear.

AEW, they haven't done shit with him since the very start. Maybe this will be his Kofi Kingston moment where it all just clicks and we see what his BFF Cody Rhodes saw in him. I just don't see the need to have him-unless..........unless they turn on him and he's seen as the weak link. Seriously...you have MJF, Wardlow, and FTR with Tully as the manager. What purpose does Shawn Spears serve?

Bert
March 13th, 2021, 3:30 PM
Makes the stable matches even.

Sammy, Jericho, Santana and Ortiz, Hager.

I would imagine he fights Sammy.

Peter Griffin
March 13th, 2021, 4:19 PM
I muted cornette a while back because he's a cunt, But Miro is not happy. And tbf he's right.

https://twitter.com/ToBeMiro/status/1370828638392700929?s=19

Badger
March 13th, 2021, 11:03 PM
AEW has wasted him worse than WWE has. Dude is a monster and should be in the main event run in either company but this stuff is worse because he’s fighting a fucking wimpy butler.

He’s not hard to use yet both companies have fucked up.

Donald
March 13th, 2021, 11:54 PM
hey

Morrison
March 14th, 2021, 12:05 AM
AEW has wasted him worse than WWE has. Dude is a monster and should be in the main event run in either company but this stuff is worse because he’s fighting a fucking wimpy butler.

He’s not hard to use yet both companies have fucked up.
tbh i don't know how much AEW is to blame for a lot of this, because by all accounts they tend to let their roster form their own gimmicks and stuff. if anything, their relaxed attitude on roster micromanagement is probably the prime culprit.

Bert
March 14th, 2021, 2:27 AM
There's still time for a main event push. He's not going anywhere. First he has to have the falling out with Kip and then maybe he can have matches with Lance Archer or Eddie Kingston and work his way up.

Ringo
March 14th, 2021, 2:55 AM
I kind of get the impression it's been building to him finishing off OC and Taylor, destroying Sabian and then getting the push when his more "serious" side has been established. But perhaps I'm giving them too much credit.

Badger
March 14th, 2021, 8:24 AM
I still have some hope for a monster push too but that fucking awful wedding segment where he was “outsmarted” by being shackled or just in general being Sabian’s sidekick who’s low on the general totem pole has made me wonder what they’re doing with him. don’t do weddings.

He’s generally won his matches but not quite in the monster way I had hoped plus with Omega/Morley et al prob will take a while.

Hero!
March 14th, 2021, 10:02 AM
Miro is 100% a victim of his own creative freedom. Like all the people who used to go to TNA and “be themselves” and it sucked (here’s looking at you, Aron Rex) this hypebeast Miro sucks and Kip Sabian has absolute “go away” heat with me.

Miro needs a manager and bad. I wish he was in the MJF group instead of Shawn “The Sponge” Spears

Badger
March 14th, 2021, 10:39 AM
I don’t think he necessarily needs a manager even. Dude has range, can play the monster but also in real life the most chilled guy on the planet as seen when he was on UUDD. He can definitely talk.

Poor booking on a guy can often be seen as a lazy excuse and fair enough, but he’s definitely been a victim of it and maybe even partially his own fault for going with it. He’s a gold mine being wasted....again.

Murphy
March 15th, 2021, 9:33 AM
Another good episode last week. Rey Fenix is so good and really looking forward to Penta and Cody next week.

Enjoyed the final segment. Quite a bit, actually.

I actually thought Scorpio Sky may have taken the TNT Championship. Heel turn makes total sense.

What is the point of Justin Roberts's time updates in matches when they're never audible? And the commentary team never seems to acknowledge them either? :dunno:

Nash Diesel
March 15th, 2021, 11:31 AM
tbh i don't know how much AEW is to blame for a lot of this, because by all accounts they tend to let their roster form their own gimmicks and stuff. if anything, their relaxed attitude on roster micromanagement is probably the prime culprit.

Of course AEW are to blame. Tony Khan literally said that nothing goes on tv without him approving it. Which is it how it should be, just like with Vince.

Nash Diesel
March 15th, 2021, 11:39 AM
I muted cornette a while back because he's a cunt, But Miro is not happy. And tbf he's right.

https://twitter.com/ToBeMiro/status/1370828638392700929?s=19

Miro is clout chasing and threatening a 60+ year old man who lives in a bigger house, not a basement, simply because Cornette said the gimmick of Sabian and Penelope comes across as exactly how it's portrayed on tv?

That just shows how sensitive how some of the AEW roster can be and also pretty fucking stupid. Cornette needs to charging these people rent.

chatty
March 15th, 2021, 12:58 PM
Miro is easy to book. They booked him perfectly for the first year of his run in WWE. Big monster who kills everyone. I mean you can remove the evil foreigner part tbf but basically book him like that and give him more time to promo evil monster shit.

I'd have him squash anyone who wasn't main event level and then have big matches with them. I wouldn't even have him wrestle a whole bunch, maybes one big match, a squashes and a couple of promos/skits each month.

How the hell can you feature in two deplorable wedding angle in a single year for different companies as well, it was bad once, why repeat it?

I honestly skip past a lot of these segments now cause they just aren't very good but I was excited for him to make the jump.

After last week I think they have most of the roster int he right places going forward. Have Miro turn on Sabina and kill him, Sabain can either go face or of with Penelope.

Turn Cody heel, turn PAC on Fenix and have them solo after this Bucks match and your all good.

Donald
March 15th, 2021, 1:05 PM
Miro should have been booked as a monster from the start. Could of obliterated a high mid card talent first, maybe two, then challenged Moxley for the title and perhaps won it.

Nash Diesel
March 15th, 2021, 1:23 PM
Kudos for Miro's personality being what it is but apparently his still a bitch ass if he was that easily shook by Jim Cornette's words.

I just don't really understand how some of these former WWE talents have the balls to cry about how they were used and then they come to another promotion either doing the same thing or worse lol. Not all are like that, The Revival for example had a legit complaint, but then they were used as transitional champions so the Young Cucks could get a W over them after their twitter beef.

I also think that we as fans need to stop acting like every wrestler in the WWE had potential to be the next John Cena. Not everyone was destined to be a main eventer in this business just like everyone in Hollywood is destined to win an Oscar.

Donald
March 15th, 2021, 1:37 PM
Kudos for Miro's personality being what it is but apparently his still a bitch ass if he was that easily shook by Jim Cornette's words.

I just don't really understand how some of these former WWE talents have the balls to cry about how they were used and then they come to another promotion either doing the same thing or worse lol. Not all are like that, The Revival for example had a legit complaint, but then they were used as transitional champions so the Young Cucks could get a W over them after their twitter beef.

I also think that we as fans need to stop acting like every wrestler in the WWE had potential to be the next John Cena. Not everyone was destined to be a main eventer in this business just like everyone in Hollywood is destined to win an Oscar.

Just like not everyone at my company can be CEO, even if they wanted to be. Plus, there's so much more to a push than just saying "Hey, let's push this guy." Injuries, attitude, presentation etc. have a lot to do with it. What we see on TV may not be who that person is backstage.

Nash Diesel
March 15th, 2021, 2:30 PM
Just like not everyone at my company can be CEO, even if they wanted to be. Plus, there's so much more to a push than just saying "Hey, let's push this guy." Injuries, attitude, presentation etc. have a lot to do with it. What we see on TV may not be who that person is backstage.

Exactly. We don't know who is truly to blame for certain situations going down. Luke Harper/Brodie Lee for example. It's hard to push that guy when he was hurt all the time, same with Rowan. You start doing something, then someone gets hurt. Rusev could've been like hey, I don't want to be an 80's gimmick I want to be how you see me on Total Divas or when I'm with the boys.....

When you look at his career, all the comedy shit hasn't worked. All the "real" shit hasn't worked, like with the angle his wife took it upon herself to kill with Summer Rae and Dolph lol. They tried to bring him back with the League of Nations, but it was too late. Rusev Day....it sold shirts but by that time he was midcard at best and he wasn't happy about that. Now look...Just not my thing.

Bert
March 15th, 2021, 7:22 PM
More teases for the Kip/Miro break up on AEW Dark Elevation. Love it. Do it.

Bert
March 15th, 2021, 7:29 PM
Breaking news: Big Swole still sucks.

Charisma, but a bad wrestler.

Bert
March 15th, 2021, 7:34 PM
Matches with Marko Stunt remind me of wrestling my pillow when I was 10.

VHS
March 15th, 2021, 7:41 PM
Stunt's opponents may as well be wrestling an invisible man because they pretty much do all the moves for him, he just hangs on.

Nash Diesel
March 15th, 2021, 8:49 PM
Matches with Marko Stunt remind me of wrestling my pillow when I was 10.

He's like a wrestling buddy only sold at Family Dollar and looks like the singer of Mr. Big

I seriously think that anyone who finds that kid entertaining prob dug Hornswoggle.

Eh...what the fuck do I know I marked out as a young kid to that wrestler Beetlejuice with the silly string lol.

Peter Griffin
March 16th, 2021, 6:06 AM
Outside those fake ads on impact I'm not sure Khan is good enough talker to be coming out making matches, Which leads to this

https://twitter.com/MeltzerSaidWhat/status/1371689121626923010?s=09

:lol:

Ringo
March 16th, 2021, 11:24 AM
Yeah, he's going to get a lot of stick for that I'd imagine. Hope he gets the message. An authority figure of any kind isn't necessary but Tony Khan a regular on screen character sounds actively bad.

Despite what they said, Elevation just sounds like another two hours worth of Dark but with Tony & Big Show on commentary. :dunno:

Peter Griffin
March 16th, 2021, 11:56 AM
That Confused me too as I'm sure I heard it was going to be lower guys against each other. Paul got better through the show I thought, I am confident he will grow to be a good commentator.

(Also I'm a man in his 30s who is creeped out by abadon ffs)

Ringo
March 16th, 2021, 1:42 PM
Abadon is scary as fuck

Donald
March 16th, 2021, 1:45 PM
Nice cleavage though

Bert
March 16th, 2021, 2:12 PM
I saw a picture, I think from a Christmas party, and Abadon is a babe.

Can't find it, but here's one from google.
https://i.imgur.com/2oGZrzX.jpg

I don't think Tony will ever show up as an authority figure on Dynamite, maybe lesser shows like Dark though. They should just pretape any segments and have him on the tron.

Nash Diesel
March 16th, 2021, 2:40 PM
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51-9ojSwgwL._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg

I'm sold

mth
March 16th, 2021, 8:45 PM
Abadon has my heart...

(...in a jar on a bookshelf.)

VHS
March 17th, 2021, 1:29 PM
Thunder Rosa vs. Britt Baker... nothing else matters. :yes:

Donald
March 17th, 2021, 1:35 PM
wherever i may roam

Nash Diesel
March 17th, 2021, 2:42 PM
I'm almost positive that 6-person tag match was the worst match in AEW history, if not all of wrestling that I have personally seen. Thunder Rosa's face said it all, she looked like she would rather kill herself than be in that match again.

Thunder Rosa is the shit, stands out like a sore thumb in a company who's division is full of talentless "wrestlers".

Bert
March 17th, 2021, 3:10 PM
Really excited for the Lights Out match tonight. Spoilers said it was really great but didn't go in depth on what happened.

Nash Diesel
March 17th, 2021, 3:18 PM
Really excited for the Lights Out match tonight. Spoilers said it was really great but didn't go in depth on what happened.

Not a fan one bit of Britt Baker but at least she can sort of wrestle.

VHS
March 17th, 2021, 8:20 PM
Terrible ending to the Cody/Penta match. The arm break used to be the most brutal move in wrestling, but now it means nothing. Arm break, Cody immediately rolls Penta up, wins?

No me gusta.

Bert
March 17th, 2021, 8:35 PM
MJF is just so good. Still not sold on the name.

Tainted Eclipse
March 17th, 2021, 8:35 PM
yeah that sucked, and then it just served as a set-up for some QT marshall angle. i mean i actually love QT but come on.

Bert
March 17th, 2021, 8:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/B4Ahq0I.jpg

This would be a good avatar.

VHS
March 17th, 2021, 9:57 PM
Why thumbtacks again?

Bert
March 17th, 2021, 10:00 PM
Britt with the crimson mask, damn.

Hell of a match.

Bert
March 17th, 2021, 10:01 PM
Why thumbtacks again?

Because they hurt.

Hero!
March 17th, 2021, 10:25 PM
Five star main event. Wow. Amazing work, ladies.

Hero!
March 17th, 2021, 10:29 PM
Can someone get me a better version of this picture for my avatar?

Nash Diesel
March 17th, 2021, 10:46 PM
Can someone get me a better version of this picture for my avatar?
https://www.familyhandyman.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/shutterstock_429281740-dog.jpg

Supernovametalstar
March 17th, 2021, 10:55 PM
Britt with the crimson mask, damn.

Hell of a match.

Gotdamn that was horrifying. And I loved it. If I didn't know any better, I would think that they, or maybe Britt herself (well obviously herself since she has to agree to the shit) want to position her as "Queen of the Blood" since she keeps getting beat to hell, but keeps coming. Like a female Mick Foley. Crazy as a loon, but will fight you to the death. And as long as they keep it relatively sparse, I'm all for it. If anyone should take the title of Shida, it should be her. They mentioned the broken nose thing from a year ago, too, so I think that's where they're headed.

Bert
March 17th, 2021, 10:58 PM
Can someone get me a better version of this picture for my avatar?

Is this the same one?
https://i.imgur.com/GtZaV9h.jpg

Supernovametalstar
March 17th, 2021, 11:42 PM
Good grief. You'd think it was Halloween, not St. Paddy's Day. That's the real fiend right there!

BGMaverick
March 18th, 2021, 12:19 AM
Very fitting climax to a grudge. Those ladies delivered. I swear, Britt has some incredible blood flow. When she's cut open, the floodgates open. She absolutely knows to look for the camera when that happens to get an epic shot. You could tell neither of them held back when it came to the physicality. Nice touch where Thunder repositioned during the Lockjaw to get the tacks on Britt. Nice attention to detail there. Kudos to both of them.

mth
March 18th, 2021, 12:49 AM
Think I might dial up the main event match tomorrow. :yes:

mr sabu
March 18th, 2021, 1:23 AM
atleast britts teeth are fine

Zacharie
March 18th, 2021, 2:10 AM
Dr. Britt Baker DMD's "austin 3:16 says" speech was her "whataburger faces" speech in Cedar Park Texas where I was there live and nearly shit myself

Tainted Eclipse
March 18th, 2021, 8:21 AM
Easily the best AEW women’s match ever. What also shouldn’t be ignored from last night is how awesome fenix/angelico was.

Hero!
March 18th, 2021, 9:15 AM
Easily the best AEW women’s match ever. What also shouldn’t be ignored from last night is how awesome fenix/angelico was.

britt/thunderrosa was easily the best women's match of the year...and thunder rosa has been knocking out several of the top women's matches this year. She's so, SO good.

Donald
March 18th, 2021, 12:10 PM
Haven't watched the match yet, but not too big a fan of blood in wrestling. Still, match of the year and other such praise has me curious.

Peter Griffin
March 18th, 2021, 12:21 PM
If you this is the start of them really investing in the division I'm all for it because tbh it's the only thing that wasn't up to standard vs wwe or nxt imo.

Hero!
March 18th, 2021, 1:09 PM
Thunder Rosa, Britt Baker, Hikaru Shida, and now Riho is back. Great foundation for a division. Whenever Serena Deeb is around, she's a gem too.

Maki Itoh, Tay Conti, Anna Jay, Jade Cargill, Nyla Rose are all getting better and adding a lot to the division too.

I can't wait to see where they go with the women in the next year.

mth
March 18th, 2021, 1:15 PM
Just watched the Rosa/Baker match. Pretty good. Don't think I've ever seen women use thumbtacks before. Some nice nasty spots with the ladder and table, as well. Hat's off to them both for going so hardcore. Hopefully AEW's women's scene is turning a corner.

Bert
March 18th, 2021, 1:23 PM
Thunder Rosa, Britt Baker, Hikaru Shida, and now Riho is back. Great foundation for a division. Whenever Serena Deeb is around, she's a gem too.

Maki Itoh, Tay Conti, Anna Jay, Jade Cargill, Nyla Rose are all getting better and adding a lot to the division too.

I can't wait to see where they go with the women in the next year.

Maki went back to Japan, dude.

Nyla needs to get stronger and work on cardio. Her lifting people should look effortless, not strained. Her being gassed means she botches more.

Hero!
March 18th, 2021, 1:49 PM
Maki went back to Japan, dude.

Nyla needs to get stronger and work on cardio. Her lifting people should look effortless, not strained. Her being gassed means she botches more.

Yeah, but Maki can always come back, as long as she's willing to quarantine the 2 weeks when she goes back to Japan.

VHS
March 18th, 2021, 1:54 PM
Rewatched the Thunder/Baker match and just couldn't be happier for Thunder. She's pretty much supporting womens wrestling on her shoulders outside WWE Land. I still don't think the thumbtacks were necessary tho. They've become such a cliche next phase of a hardcore match.

If AEW intends to turn the corner w/ their womens division, they need to make sure Thunder is there because I don't think we would have had the magic here if it was Britt vs. anyone else.

Oh, and I hope Maki stays fucked off forever.

Hero!
March 18th, 2021, 2:11 PM
Oh, and I hope Maki stays fucked off forever.

why?

Morrison
March 18th, 2021, 2:11 PM
Rewatched the Thunder/Baker match and just couldn't be happier for Thunder. She's pretty much supporting womens wrestling on her shoulders outside WWE Land. I still don't think the thumbtacks were necessary tho. They've become such a cliche next phase of a hardcore match.

If AEW intends to turn the corner w/ their womens division, they need to make sure Thunder is there because I don't think we would have had the magic here if it was Britt vs. anyone else.

Oh, and I hope Maki stays fucked off forever.

the spots they did with the thumbtacks were awesome, so that's reason enough to include them.

Morrison
March 18th, 2021, 2:12 PM
why?

cause he's a fucking lameo who thinks she's cringey.

Sasori
March 18th, 2021, 2:19 PM
The thumbtacks was a bit too much for me, but overall an outstanding match between Rosa and Baker. This was a great way to rebound after the botched explosion in the Death Match. Also reminds me how Alvarez was saying to under promise and over deliver after some people were let down by the surprises at Revolution. I had zero expectations for the Lights Out match and it blew me away.

As much as I love Shida's work in the ring, if they don't move on from her, the division is never going to gain any steam. Has she had a single memorable feud since she's been champion? It says allot that more people are talking about Maki Itoh than the Women's champ. And now Rosa and Baker overshadowed her as well. They've got to figure something out and fast.

Sasori
March 18th, 2021, 2:23 PM
https://i.imgur.com/B4Ahq0I.jpg

This would be a good avatar.

Indeed it would be.

PurePlayer
March 18th, 2021, 3:00 PM
Loving the stuff going on with AEW. Lots of stories going on right now.

One thing that did annoy me was Penta kicking out of everything and then losing to a very weak rollup.

Nash Diesel
March 18th, 2021, 4:23 PM
The thumbtacks was a bit too much for me, but overall an outstanding match between Rosa and Baker. This was a great way to rebound after the botched explosion in the Death Match. Also reminds me how Alvarez was saying to under promise and over deliver after some people were let down by the surprises at Revolution. I had zero expectations for the Lights Out match and it blew me away.

As much as I love Shida's work in the ring, if they don't move on from her, the division is never going to gain any steam. Has she had a single memorable feud since she's been champion? It says allot that more people are talking about Maki Itoh than the Women's champ. And now Rosa and Baker overshadowed her as well. They've got to figure something out and fast.

Yeah all that positive talk.

AEW just doesn't have the experience booking anything to begin with so give them time. The women's division is being booked by the World champion who was also the tag-team champion for the better part of a year so where is his head at when putting this stuff together?

I'll say this...Name a memorable storyline any woman in AEW has been in. Every angle has sucked and having a super cheap pop match doesn't suddenly change AEW's future as it pertains to women's wrestling. A 3 week feud ended in some shit Megumi Kudo would be proud of. It's like when WWE has a short feud lead to Hell In A Cell.

I will also say that I actually thought this match was punishment for the shit match they were in last week. They should have done a lot worse to each other for that abomination.

So people can talk about Ito all they want but they also talk about Kim Kardashian more than Elon Musk....

Bert
March 18th, 2021, 4:56 PM
Yeah all that positive talk.

AEW just doesn't have the experience booking anything to begin with so give them time. The women's division is being booked by the World champion who was also the tag-team champion for the better part of a year so where is his head at when putting this stuff together?

I'll say this...Name a memorable storyline any woman in AEW has been in. Every angle has sucked and having a super cheap pop match doesn't suddenly change AEW's future as it pertains to women's wrestling. A 3 week feud ended in some shit Megumi Kudo would be proud of. It's like when WWE has a short feud lead to Hell In A Cell.

I will also say that I actually thought this match was punishment for the shit match they were in last week. They should have done a lot worse to each other for that abomination.

So people can talk about Ito all they want but they also talk about Kim Kardashian more than Elon Musk....

I think Britt Bakers storyline with Big Swole was memorable, it helped they had a cinematic match in a dentist's office which covered for Swole still being green.

The "roll model" stuff when she was in a wheelchair was gold.

PurePlayer
March 18th, 2021, 5:13 PM
I think Britt Bakers storyline with Big Swole was memorable, it helped they had a cinematic match in a dentist's office which covered for Swole still being green.

The "roll model" stuff when she was in a wheelchair was gold.

remind me why Swole went over in that match anyway? She isn't being used anymore lol

Ringo
March 18th, 2021, 5:14 PM
She's been inactive due to struggles with Crohn's disease apparently

Bert
March 18th, 2021, 5:16 PM
remind me why Swole went over in that match anyway? She isn't being used anymore lol

She has Crohn's disease and has been reportedly having issues with it until recently.

Bert
March 18th, 2021, 5:25 PM
768,000 vs 597,000 for NXT. Probably doesn't help NXT that their card wasn't even known til right before the show started because of a covid outbreak.

Ringo
March 18th, 2021, 5:59 PM
Lights Out match was terrific, especially the last 5 minutes or so. Loved the way Rosa just broke down as the pin was counted. JR's commentary though. At the end of that match he's SAYING all the right things, he just doesn't sound like he actually means any of it.

VHS
March 18th, 2021, 7:23 PM
Lights Out match was terrific, especially the last 5 minutes or so. Loved the way Rosa just broke down as the pin was counted. JR's commentary though. At the end of that match he's SAYING all the right things, he just doesn't sound like he actually means any of it.

Yeah, her reaction to knowing it was finally over was awesome. Feel the same way about JR's commentary, like he was just repeating lines from Mankind/Undertaker HIAC.

mr sabu
March 18th, 2021, 7:32 PM
only thing i hated about the lights out match was the tacks...

i hate thumbtacks spots.

not because it's overused but ive stepped on so many of the fucking things on accident i now how much it hurts

Nash Diesel
March 18th, 2021, 7:56 PM
Jim Ross just has to be wondering if the paycheck is actually worth it at this point lol. You can always tell when he thinks a segment or match is complete dogshit because it's so bad not even JR can make it come across spectacular. If he was over the top we'd know he wasn't being real because he's always been this way. Go watch some of the goofy shit during the late 90's early 2000's, he's clearly phoning in a lot of commentary that was centered around garbage cans and titties.

VHS
March 18th, 2021, 8:51 PM
Jim Ross just has to be wondering if the paycheck is actually worth it at this point lol. You can always tell when he thinks a segment or match is complete dogshit because it's so bad not even JR can make it come across spectacular. If he was over the top we'd know he wasn't being real because he's always been this way. Go watch some of the goofy shit during the late 90's early 2000's, he's clearly phoning in a lot of commentary that was centered around garbage cans and titties.

Ehh, I'm pretty sure he's just happy to have a chill job compared to WWE. As long as he's having fun, which I'm sure he is.

Nash Diesel
March 18th, 2021, 8:58 PM
Ehh, I'm pretty sure he's just happy to have a chill job compared to WWE. As long as he's having fun, which I'm sure he is.

Oh yeah he sounds like he's having a blast.....There's no passion behind what he's saying and it's been that way for many many years. Tony Khan came to JR not the other way around and pays JR 6 figures to be a shell of himself.

I don't know, according to you he's having a blast repeating lines from KOTR 1998.

Donald
March 18th, 2021, 9:48 PM
Jim Ross just has to be wondering if the paycheck is actually worth it at this point lol. You can always tell when he thinks a segment or match is complete dogshit because it's so bad not even JR can make it come across spectacular. If he was over the top we'd know he wasn't being real because he's always been this way. Go watch some of the goofy shit during the late 90's early 2000's, he's clearly phoning in a lot of commentary that was centered around garbage cans and titties.

JR believed the hype.

VHS
March 19th, 2021, 1:02 AM
Oh yeah he sounds like he's having a blast.....There's no passion behind what he's saying and it's been that way for many many years. Tony Khan came to JR not the other way around and pays JR 6 figures to be a shell of himself.

I don't know, according to you he's having a blast repeating lines from KOTR 1998.

Correct.

Donald
March 19th, 2021, 7:49 AM
They all thought AEW was going to revolutionize the business, start another wrestling boom. All it's done is just provide another place for wrestler to perform for the same kind of money that WWE offers. Their fan base isn't going to grow beyond what it already is, even if they signed John Cena, Brock Lesnar, and CM Punk. The Rock may change things up, but he's too busy in Hollywood.

The same applies to WWE. Numbers are just going to stay the same regardless of what they do.

Nash Diesel
March 19th, 2021, 9:52 AM
They all thought AEW was going to revolutionize the business, start another wrestling boom. All it's done is just provide another place for wrestler to perform for the same kind of money that WWE offers. Their fan base isn't going to grow beyond what it already is, even if they signed John Cena, Brock Lesnar, and CM Punk. The Rock may change things up, but he's too busy in Hollywood.

The same applies to WWE. Numbers are just going to stay the same regardless of what they do.

Yeah wrestling itself is too far under the radar for it to be what it was 20-30 years ago. There's no revolution, but it's been an EVOLUTION of the way we watch and how accessible other promotions are in comparison to any other time. The evolution we've seen take place over the last 10 years with promotions relying on the internet to sell their merch (shirts, DVDs, etc.) has made it easier to watch promotions you would have only read about in PWI back in the day.

In the wrestling bubble AEW has been a positive for the reasons you gave i.e. place where talent can perform for WWE type money. But anyone with a real understanding of the entity that is WWE v. the wrestling bubble knows that outside that bubble, it's really just WWE and then everyone else. Even AEW looks like WWE, most of the roster were just on WWE tv within the last year. But I've said this before, until AEW (or anyone else) are global, making movies, while also doing the wrestling thing....then AEW are in competition with the wrestling world and WWE are in competition with the entertainment world.

VHS
March 19th, 2021, 2:09 PM
AEW needs to make movies? What?

Bert
March 19th, 2021, 2:11 PM
AEW needs to make movies? What?

He's saying if they want to be big they need to expand from just wrestling like WWE did.

Bert
March 19th, 2021, 2:12 PM
The final quarter saw AEW with Baker vs. Rosa gain 119,000 viewers and 59,000 in 18-49. It was also AEWís peak in men 18-49. NXT with Lorcan & Burch defending against Balor & Kross lost 45,000 viewers and 33,000 in 18-49. But it was the NXT peak in women 18-34.

:yes:

Nash Diesel
March 19th, 2021, 2:38 PM
He's saying if they want to be big they need to expand from just wrestling like WWE did.

Despite our differences don't go too detailed with VHS he has a really hard time understanding words.

Nash Diesel
March 19th, 2021, 2:39 PM
AEW needs to make movies? What?

You're too busy trying to be like these useless pricks who diss you every day around here that you're intelligence level has dropped significantly.

Simple as simple can be: WWE are a global entertainment company whereas AEW and everyone else are simply wrestling promotions.

VHS
March 19th, 2021, 3:49 PM
Projection, much? It was just a question.

Donald
March 19th, 2021, 4:23 PM
I might be crazy, but I never knew Tony Shiavone yelling "It's Sting!" was a thing. I mean I didn't watch WCW but I feel like something that supposedly iconic would have entered my realm at some point.

Nash Diesel
March 19th, 2021, 4:28 PM
I might be crazy, but I never knew Tony Shiavone yelling "It's Sting!" was a thing. I mean I didn't watch WCW but I feel like something that supposedly iconic would have entered my realm at some point.

Well if you didn't watch WCW you probably weren't going to hear that at any point because why would you? Unless you watched a WWE released DVD/tape with WCW matches featuring Sting.

Donald
March 19th, 2021, 4:41 PM
Well if you didn't watch WCW you probably weren't going to hear that at any point because why would you? Unless you watched a WWE released DVD/tape with WCW matches featuring Sting.

I mean I don't watch aew but I know it's sting is a thing ding a ling

Hero!
March 19th, 2021, 7:22 PM
Well if you didn't watch WCW you probably weren't going to hear that at any point because why would you? Unless you watched a WWE released DVD/tape with WCW matches featuring Sting.

:lol:

cmon Donald, you walked right into that.

NWo4LifeOr2Years
March 21st, 2021, 2:47 PM
Britt with the crimson mask, damn.

Hell of a match.

somebody has to teach these girls how to blade properly.

Anyhow, that was something.

Cant wait for Cornette’s rant on it. :freak:

chatty
March 21st, 2021, 4:33 PM
Really enjoyed Rosa v Britt, was done pretty much perfectly, well paced, not overly long, told a story. Great stuff.

Not much else of note. The ending of Penta v Cody was awful and ruined the full match.

The Pinnacle promo was Ok but forgettable, Archer v Sting/DDarby promo again did what it had to but nothing great. I can't remember anything else on it tbh.

Nash Diesel
March 22nd, 2021, 9:56 AM
AEW doesn't fuck around. Moxley and Kingston feuded for about 2 weeks before their payoff which of course required half of FMW's arsenal. Rosa and Britt feuded for what, a month? Fuck a steel-cage, fuck a strap match, fuck a ladder match, let's just go straight to the death match. And for what? A drop in viewership? Weak.

Bert
March 22nd, 2021, 10:27 AM
AEW doesn't fuck around. Moxley and Kingston feuded for about 2 weeks before their payoff which of course required half of FMW's arsenal. Rosa and Britt feuded for what, a month? Fuck a steel-cage, fuck a strap match, fuck a ladder match, let's just go straight to the death match. And for what? A drop in viewership? Weak.

The feud was building for months and they picked up viewers for their segment so I don't understand what you're saying at all.

Nash Diesel
March 22nd, 2021, 11:16 AM
The feud was building for months and they picked up viewers for their segment so I don't understand what you're saying at all.

Terrible build. 1 match prior to this and it leads to a Megumi Kudo inspired death match?

Bert
March 24th, 2021, 8:22 PM
Hangman has such a good theme, there's no mistaking it for anyone elses either.

Nash Diesel
March 24th, 2021, 9:09 PM
Hangman has such a good theme, there's no mistaking it for anyone elses either.

Is he related to Adam Cole? They have the same exact body type. Giant midget syndrome.

Bert
March 24th, 2021, 9:25 PM
I'll watch that Rhodes To The Top show.

Bert
March 24th, 2021, 9:37 PM
Super surprised Tay just won that.

Bert
March 24th, 2021, 10:01 PM
John Silver is underrated.

Darby's dive on Matt Hardy scared me.

Tainted Eclipse
March 24th, 2021, 10:02 PM
really good show overall but i'm so not into this omega/bucks thing

Bert
March 25th, 2021, 12:48 AM
Orange Cassidy has a new theme that will debut on Dark next week.

https://youtu.be/N3oCS85HvpY

Ringo
March 25th, 2021, 1:24 PM
Orange Cassidy doesn't really do it for me like he seems to for many but that song is kind of perfect for him.

virms
March 25th, 2021, 10:28 PM
Bakers promo was very well written just not executed that well. She's still young so plenty of time to grow.