All Elite Wrestling

[Peter Griffin]

And I too popped for Gangrel... Kind of knew Helms would show.

[Ringo]

Hell of a show, had a blast watching it.

- Omega/Page as the opener delivered in a big way. Right man won. Nice to have Don Callis on commentary for it. I think this is a story that has been well told since it began a year ago. We've now arrived where many thought we would with Omega back challenging for the big gold and Page seemingly in a downward spiral. I'm looking forward to seeing it develop further still.
- OC/Silver was a real joy. Two guys who you'd expect to be "lower card" (and in NXT/WWE certainly would be) getting over and having the chance to show what they can do. Silver is a great little worker to have in this position on the card.
- Darby and Cody was very good until a somewhat abrupt ending but it was great to see Darby finally get the big win (albeit not as great as it would've been in front of a packed house but we're working with what we've got here). As they were celebrating as I was thinking about potential opponents for Allin and figured Cage would be one of them. Taz and Team FTW are really enjoyable right now. Taz is so good in this role it's a mystery how little we've seen of him doing it since he feuded with JR and Jerry Lawler 20 years ago. Cage will be a good asset for a while and I think Starks will go far in AEW too. They're all just complete, no nonsense dicks. The attack was vicious and old school and I loved big Willie Hobbs coming to the rescue. Felt like an old school angle.
- I like Vickie being paired with Nyla Rose. Makes her a bit more usable, so hopefully that's not the end. Shida impressed here again. She's such a bad ass. The women's division in AEW has been fleshed out a lot and there's a number of girls with potential but they're still working things out. I'm fine with Shida beating challenger after challenger until someone really worthy comes along.
- Tag Title match was a show stealer as expected. FTR are still brilliant at what they do, The Bucks reigned it in a bit and the two teams had a brilliant match. Hot closing stretch.
- Elite Deletion was far too long but I did enjoy parts. GANGREL's cameo was especially great as I think I'd had it in my head that he'd died in the last couple of years, so even more of a shock. The absurdity of the fireworks battle, what fun. Then they locked themselves in the arena with the ominous music and it just begun to drag. Fine end to a solid midcard feud though.
- Great entrances for MJF/Jericho. Jericho looked pretty good here and the match was booked to perfection. MJF and Jericho's interaction in the Inner Circle should be entertaining and Wardlow/Swagger staring daggers at each other is the real draw. Wardlow quickly getting off the ropes when it was Hager's turn was predictable and satisfying.
- Main Event was sufficiently brutal but I was a bit disappointed. With how intense the build up was perhaps that was inevitable but I was hoping it would be up there with Eddie Kingston's best wars. I think it fell a bit short. The build seems to have gotten quite a few people behind Eddie to the point that they actually thought he had a chance of winning. Then of course you recall he IS the heel and this IS an I Quit match. Anyway, solid end to one of the year's best feuds. The announce team sounded tired by this point as well (or JR and Tony did at least).
- Also, one of the things I like most about AEW is how good a job they do of keeping the rest of the roster involved (the PAC video on Dynamite, Miro and Kip's appearance on this show, the vignette with Archer and Jake, all the people that came out with competitors, even Will Hobbs).

[Peter Griffin]

Orange Cassidy would be fine in NXT I think.

[Tainted Eclipse]

elite deletion is probably my pick for worst match of the year.

page/omega best match of the night for me. with a hot crowd and some fat cut off of the last 10 minutes or so, bucks/FTR could have been a classic. main event didn't quite live up to expectations, for one it needed a LOT more blood, but was still very good.

[Tainted Eclipse]

also the top rope cross rhodes spot in darby/cody was just STUPID.

[Ringo]

Orange Cassidy would be fine in NXT I think.

Aye that's probably true.


also the top rope cross rhodes spot in darby/cody was just STUPID.

That spot was fucking nuts, loved it.

[Ringo]

Absolutely love that we're getting Dustin Rhodes in a Bunkhouse match on TV in 2020 as well by the way. Should be a blast.

[Peter Griffin]

Is that the thing were Dustin got fired from WCW back in the day for blading?

[JuveLeo]

Great PPV. I enjoyed almost every match aside from the Hardy/Sammy match. Was kinda goofy with the horrendous acting, but seeing Gangrel pop up was nice. Also, did anyone else notice Private Party standing by the ring before their run in? Lol, i had nice chuckle.

[Murphy]

Great show. Opener, Darby/Cody and the tag title matches were all great. Silva and Orange had a good match and Nyla/Shida was entertaining enough too.

The Hardy match was far too long and a bit shit.

MJF and Jericho I didn't particularly like either, but I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

Main event, a little disappointing. But nothing outright bad.

3 excellent matches, some good and not a lot of bad. So overall a solid 8/10 show.

[JuveLeo]

Mox vs Omega for free on Dynamite. I'm surprised they're not waiting to put this on PPV.

Ughhh Brandi is so cringeeee

[Defrost]

They need to get the belt off Mox in time for him to quarantine for two weeks in Japan. They also don't want him losing as AEW Champion at the Dome either. So spoiler alert Kenny is winning.

[Morrison]

what defrost said, plus they were never going to wait for the next ppv, which isnt for another three and a half months. if there werent new japan conflicts, i'd assume it would've went down at the early january special event.

[JuveLeo]

Yeah, i kinda figured. Kinda lame if Kenny wins it on TV. PPV would have felt better in my opinion, but it is what it is.

[Peter Griffin]

Good show and all but hype man TK said something about the balance of power in wrestling :dunno:

[Donald]

If the big surprise was Shaq...

[VHS]

Cody wants to bring back chair shots to the head. Thoughts?

Personally, not a fan of that opinion.

[Morrison]

Cody wants to bring back chair shots to the head. Thoughts?

Personally, not a fan of that opinion.

you're like a year and a half late on this.

if they can use a gimmicked chair and do them without endangering the health of the person taking it, i'm all for them. i'm for anything in wrestling that looks brutal and conveys hatred without being an actual danger.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah, i kinda figured. Kinda lame if Kenny wins it on TV. PPV would have felt better in my opinion, but it is what it is.

Their ppv numbers are horrifying. Probably because most of their audience are broke ass ninjas who illegally stream everything anyway.

PPV is kind of a dead model anyway. It works if you have the audience but they can barely pull 700,000 viewers on cable and a literally fraction of that PAYS to watch it. Put it on free tv and it'll be the highest rating they've done. Or we'll find out if that shit tag-team Kenny was stuck in for over a year truly did kill his appeal he had coming in to AEW.

[Defrost]

All of their PPVs have done over 100,000 buys. That's really good.

[Tainted Eclipse]

all of their PPVs are doing double TNA's biggest buyrate ever at a time when spending money on traditional wrestling PPVs has been bigly devalued

[Tainted Eclipse]

Yeah, i kinda figured. Kinda lame if Kenny wins it on TV. PPV would have felt better in my opinion, but it is what it is.

i feel like the first televised world title change is actually a bigger deal and feels more memorable

[Defrost]

Also better than every ECW PPV ever and better than most of the last year of WCW.

[Nash Diesel]

All of their PPVs have done over 100,000 buys. That's really good.

I'd believe 100,000 views, idk about actual buys but that's just me avoiding being wrong lol.

100,000 buys, especially in comparison to TNA when TNA were going up against the UFC and WWE when they were giving a shit about ppv, that's pretty good if actually legit.

Think about this. WM 35 did just over 100,000 buys. Now obviously that's on top of those who watched it on the Network. If you go and look at just the Mania buyrates, as soon as the Network hit prior to WM 30 the PAY PER VIEW BUYS for just that show drop significantly. AEW not really having anyone to run up against in the ppv world and drawing 100,000+ buys, very impressive so I definitely take back what I said.

[Chris Scott]

Good show and all but hype man TK said something about the balance of power in wrestling :dunno:

Actually thought that’s the worst one yet they’ve done.

[JuveLeo]

i feel like the first televised world title change is actually a bigger deal and feels more memorable
Good point, but i feel AEW doesn't do the greatest job hyping their TV events. I remember when they did Bash at the Beach and they literally hyped it up a week before. Viewership didn't even pass 900k if i recall correctly. They should Inform viewers of the event at least a month before so word can get around and can create interest.

Mox vs Omega is December 3rd i believe. They got roughly 3 weeks to build this. If done properly, they should hit over a million.

[Tainted Eclipse]

it's pretty much the biggest thing they can possible do on TV, so it'll be interesting to see what their true ceiling is.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Penta/Fenix II was surreal as fuck and I loved every second of it.

It also might not have been the shift in power balance as was hyped by TK, but that ending segment with PAC and Kingston was fucking fire. I think AEW, while still a bit bloated, are really starting to build a bag of stars that's getting a bit fatter. You have Mox, Jericho, Cody, The Young Bucks, who have pretty much all been hot and popular before and/or from the start of AEW and have made a foundation to build from. Then you have the likes of Kenny, Orange Cassidy, MJF, PAC, Darby, Hangman, who may not have started strong or been consistent, but have earned a lot of clout from the crowd and have developed tremendously. And of course, Eddie Kingston has stood out from the get-go by just seeming to give a fuck more than any other person on the planet.

And there are a lot of guys underneath who are just waiting to break out at some point, like Jungle Boy or recently Ricky Starks to name a couple. And of course, the tag division is in good hands with The Revival, Best Friends, and Jurassic Express hanging around. All they need to do is tighten up their women's division. There's a lot of potential, and if they can end up getting more Thunder Rosa, I think that could help a lot. I'm interested to see what could happen with Anna Jay and Tay Conti if they continue to follow up on that.

[Donald]

Sounds like AEW is slowly becoming interesting. Don't think I'll fork over money to watch the PPVs, but I might start recording Dynamite and check them out. Could do without Jericho, Miro and Brodie Lee, but then again WWE has some talent I could do without.

[Sasori]

Meltzer's ratings for Full Gear:

Deeb vs. Kay: 2.5

Omega vs. Page: 4.5

Cassidy vs. Silver: 3.5

Allin vs. Rhodes: 4.25

Rose vs. Shida: 3.25

FTR vs. Young Bucks: 5.25

Guevara vs. Hardy: No rating (cinematic)

Jericho vs. MJF: 3.5

Kingston vs. Moxley: 4.25

[Psycho666Soldier]

Definitely didn't rate FTR/Young Bucks that high. It was a great match, but I think I liked both Omega/Hangman and Cody/Darby more.

[Bert]

Kingston/Moxley is overrated. It wasn't that good.

[Chris Scott]

Definitely didn't rate FTR/Young Bucks that high. It was a great match, but I think I liked both Omega/Hangman and Cody/Darby more.

Nah loved the tag match one of the best ones I’ve seen. I’d agree with that rating.

[Badger]

And that was without the Meltzer Driver lol.

Seriously, Meltzer has a tendency to overrate a bit especially when it comes to AEW’s tag division but I did really appreciate the overall story and the finish here with them throwing their best at each other, then that last desperate superkick with one leg after FTR targeted it.

Wouldn’t give it that high a score but it was my favourite with Omega/Hangman a close second.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Nah loved the tag match one of the best ones I’ve seen. I’d agree with that rating.

I wasn't saying the match was bad at all. I loved it. I just wouldn't say that it was greater than 5 stars.

[Chris Scott]

No I know you weren’t, I was just making my point I agree with the score it got.

[Chris Scott]

The Inner Circle/MJF & Wardlow stuff has been really good.

The picture from Vegas, Jericho, MJF & Santana all happy. Sammy G and Ortiz pissed off and Hager & Wardlow staring at each other as usual :lol:

[Sasori]

There's so much going on in this pic. MJF, Jericho, and Santana are having a blast while Otiz and Sammy are utterly dejected. Meanwhile, Wardlow and Hager are as far apart as possible, but staring holes into each other.

https://i.redd.it/v3rgsss5d8z51.jpg

[Donald]

Is MJF a fan of Tom Baker?

[Chris Scott]

There's so much going on in this pic. MJF, Jericho, and Santana are having a blast while Otiz and Sammy are utterly dejected. Meanwhile, Wardlow and Hager are as far apart as possible, but staring holes into each other.

https://i.redd.it/v3rgsss5d8z51.jpg

:lol: this was the one I was on about

[Nash Diesel]

"A picture is worth a thousand words"-Nash Diesel 2020

[Bert]

I believe Michael Scott said that.

[JuveLeo]

There's so much going on in this pic. MJF, Jericho, and Santana are having a blast while Otiz and Sammy are utterly dejected. Meanwhile, Wardlow and Hager are as far apart as possible, but staring holes into each other.

https://i.redd.it/v3rgsss5d8z51.jpglol, that's actually pretty funny.

[Ringo]

I stuck the latest Dark on. Few observations:

• The women's matches were probably the highlight. Leyla Hirsch is the business, expect her to go on to bigger things for sure. Her opponent Tesha Price needs work but showed flashes. Lindsay Rose against Thunder Rosa and Alex Gracia against Ivelisse also impressed. Kilynn King and Big Swole less so but it was fine too.
• D-Von's sons TNT have definitely got potential. They look pretty solid already.
• Griff Garrison's going places I reckon. Fun match with Kazarian.
• Britt Baker has a new talk show segment called The Waiting Room. Could work for her. The Hybrid 2 were on and their promo was quite effective. Dorks.
• Another of Billy Gunn's sons, Colton, made his debut as part of the Gunn Club so they're a trio now. He's taller and older than Austin but doesn't look as polished. Billy at 57 is still the best of the three.
• Amongst all the newer talent, I think The Acclaimed stand out. I see they got contracts so that makes sense. Max Caster feels like an instant star especially. Look forward to them appearing on Dynamite.

[Sasori]

Leyla Hirsch is the real deal. Get her a manager and let her tear up the division.

This was an amusing find.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvY-Ue1rfMQ

[Caito]

I told a couple of the guys in Fantasy Football I would give AEW another chance, so I watched last weeks show.....


It probably isn’t good that my main takeaway was that Cody still has the most pretentious fucking entrance in professional wrestling.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I told a couple of the guys in Fantasy Football I would give AEW another chance, so I watched last weeks show.....


It probably isn’t good that my main takeaway was that Cody still has the most pretentious fucking entrance in professional wrestling.

I mean, if nothing else, he definitely plays on that personality. He's basically a pseudo-heel at this point.

[Donald]

For a big signing in Miro, I haven't heard a lot about him recently in AEW. Also Brodie Lee for that matter.

[JuveLeo]

This Top Flight tag team are really good. They've executed all their high flying moves near perfectly. The only issue i have is, like much of AEW, they go at a 100 percent the entire match. These guys need to slow down.

[Bert]

For a big signing in Miro, I haven't heard a lot about him recently in AEW. Also Brodie Lee for that matter.

Brodie Lee is injured.

Also, it's so Mox to just casually mention in a promo that Renee is pregnant.

[Chris Scott]

This Top Flight tag team are really good. They've executed all their high flying moves near perfectly. The only issue i have is, like much of AEW, they go at a 100 percent the entire match. These guys need to slow down.

Loved their match. This is a team I can get fully behind

[Chris Scott]

Loved the Vegas stuff :lol:

[Murphy]

The Vegas stuff was fantastic. :lol:

Enjoyed the Top Flight/Bucks too and the main event this week, also.

Oh, Deeb and Rosa was good too. Rosa looking very strong in defeat and moving on with Baker.

[Nash Diesel]

So what's the story with the AEW Women's championship? Why do we have both the AEW and NWA women's champions in this company? I don't watch really anything related to the NWA that happened after the 80's so I can't even tell you if there are any other NWA talents working for AEW like the women's champion has been.

[Bert]

So what's the story with the AEW Women's championship? Why do we have both the AEW and NWA women's champions in this company? I don't watch really anything related to the NWA that happened after the 80's so I can't even tell you if there are any other NWA talents working for AEW like the women's champion has been.

Doesn't seem like they can film their youtube show NWA Powerr right now so I think Billy Corgan just wanted to get the title some exposure. I think it's just Thunder Rosa and Serena Deeb working for both, Thunder Rosa isn't signed to AEW though, Serena Deeb is, but Ricky Starks and Eddie Kingston were both with NWA before they signed to AEW.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Wrestling_Alliance_personnel

[Nash Diesel]

Doesn't seem like they can film their youtube show NWA Powerr right now so I think Billy Corgan just wanted to get the title some exposure. I think it's just Thunder Rosa and Serena Deeb working for both, Thunder Rosa isn't signed to AEW though, Serena Deeb is, but Ricky Starks and Eddie Kingston were both with NWA before they signed to AEW.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Wrestling_Alliance_personnel

Ok I wasn't sure if it was some weird angle they're working toward to have an AEW/NWA Women's champion or what the deal is.

[Ringo]

Colt Cabana and Allysin Kay also appeared on Power. I miss that show. :(

[Chris Scott]

The Vegas stuff was fantastic. :lol:

Enjoyed the Top Flight/Bucks too and the main event this week, also.

Oh, Deeb and Rosa was good too. Rosa looking very strong in defeat and moving on with Baker.

Oh good was the Top Flight match. It flowed very nicely and the high spots where nice and crisp.

[JuveLeo]

Is it me, or has Jake the Snake gained a lot of weight again? I hope he's still keeping himself healthy.

[Kev]

Lads

As someone who has only kept up to date with reports online due to being flat out with work and family, I'm curious

Who are the 'faces amongst the Penta/Fenix/Kingston/Pac/Butcher/Blade/Bunny/Archer thing

Seems like a weird way to close the show

[Morrison]

penta, fenix and pac seemed to have turned face. kingston is a clear heel.

[Defrost]

Cody says there is no such things as faces and heels and he's the best booker in there so think about that.

I don't mean this as a compliment.

Who is the best booker in wrestling right now anyway? Gedo has shit the bed this year. AEW is fine I guess. Vince is senile. I haven't been paying much attention to anything else during the plague.

[Hero!]

Court Bauer is doing a solid job with MLW honestly. Is delirious back in charge in roh, because they’ve been good since rebooting.

[Defrost]

Yeah it sounds like Scurll got shitcanned

[Donald]

What if Hook wrestles in a peter pan costume.

[Chris Scott]

Nice show this week. Give me Team Taz vs The Nightmare family all day please, should be fun Taz & Cody on the mic

[Sasori]

Is it me, or has Jake the Snake gained a lot of weight again? I hope he's still keeping himself healthy.

Jake revealed in September that he's dealing with C.O.P.D. (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

[JuveLeo]

Jake revealed in September that he's dealing with C.O.P.D. (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

Thanks for informing me dude.

[Sasori]

Thanks for informing me dude.

No prob.

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah it sounds like Scurll got shitcanned

Can't think why. Anyhow Dynamite and NXT are my shows now, Skip through Raw and SD to stuff I like the look of (bel to bell is usually good) but yeah Vince and his yes men have rendered me a casual main roster watcher barring ppvs.

On the other side of that I enjoy Dynamite and NXT every week on the whole.

Inner Circle
Team Taz
Eddie's Family

Are probably my favourite things going.

[Hero!]

I can’t watch any wwe stuff at this point. The camera work makes me dizzy and there are like 10 hours of tv a week, I just can’t do it.

my weekly viewing now is basically:

MLW...easily my fave weekly shows.
ROH most weeks. The new product is very good, but some ppl on the roster are a bore.
Dynamite...good most every week. I really enjoy it.
whenever NJPW does a show...although Gedo’s booking is going apeshit in a bad way.
Impact. The matches don’t really do it for me, but the storylines and characters are top notch.


I miss POWERRR tho :(

[Matthew]

Hero! what impact stories are top notch?

i've watched a little of the new product, and it's just all over the place. how is rich swann a main eventer.

[Chris Scott]

Haha I recored a random episode of Impact the other day too see how it was.

Myers was wrestling Hornswoggle and there was a who done it angle because someone was shot whiles getting married or something, madness.

[Matthew]

that guy who got shot is one of the worst characters i have seen in awhile

[Chris Scott]

I gave up half way through it was like watching a very bad B movie.

[mth]

I just saw Abadon is going after the Women's championship. :yes: Looks like I'll be tuning into a bit of AEW now.

[Donald]

Time to change my username to Abadonald

[mth]

:yes::lol:

[Donald]

AEW and WWE are going up against an NFL game this week. I have no interest in handegg, but from what I hear this is an anticipated game so it will be interesting to see how AEW and NXT fair. Hopefully neither show is hurt too bad. I should watch both shows live to help them out.

[Chris Scott]

Both no doubt will do shit.

[Fanny Batter]

The NFL game will finish before, starts at 3.40pm ET.

[Chris Scott]

Oh didn’t know it was starting that early.

[Ringo]

I was gonna say. Would've made all the talk of AEW potentially getting a record number with this big match rather odd unless the NFL game had been moved.

[Morrison]

I was gonna say. Would've made all the talk of AEW potentially getting a record number with this big match rather odd unless the NFL game had been moved.

well the game was originally supposed to happen on thanksgiving last thursday, but there was a bunch of covid cases on one of the teams, so it kept getting pushed back; first to sunday, then tuesday and finally wednesday. they would be playing wednesday evening/night, but NBC is already committed to airing the rockefeller center tree lighting ceremony, so they moved the play time up. there was never supposed to be any conflict like this for this episode of dynamite.

[Ringo]

Ah, that makes sense. Would've been a bit of a downer for AEW if they'd clashed.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/Y3bRP67.jpg

[Badger]

Cody supposed to be a face and Tazz supposed to be a heel yet they got it ass backwards in that segment. Tazz just trying to get a title recognised and Cody bringing up Tazz’s son like a dick.

[Ringo]

Dark is a fun show. Far too long to actually sit through but I've enjoyed dipping into it. Danny Limelight impressed me this week. I think he'd be a good fit for Team Taz and they already brought up the Brooklyn link. The Acclaimed are a fun act too.

[Defrost]

Cody supposed to be a face and Tazz supposed to be a heel yet they got it ass backwards in that segment. Tazz just trying to get a title recognised and Cody bringing up Tazz’s son like a dick.

Shades of gray

[Bert]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Cody said he didn't want heels or faces to usually be well defined. That's why Death Triangle vs Eddie Kingston's family is a thing. Also if you look at the Young Bucks superkicking everyone and throwing money at them before they won the titles.

[Bert]

Leyla Hirsh is tiny.

[Psycho666Soldier]

She's pretty dope, though

[Psycho666Soldier]

I also dig that Hobbs is rocking the orange and black now

[Psycho666Soldier]

This feels like one of those old school Rajah

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moments.

[Tainted Eclipse]

definitely a cool, totally unexpected moment. the production on the entrance was awesome.

[Bert]

That theme is awesome. I don't understand what exactly he's going to do in AEW though.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I legit had chills watching that staredown with Darby. It felt so impactful, yet minimal.

[Tainted Eclipse]

That theme is awesome. I don't understand what exactly he's going to do in AEW though.

if he can do it physically they should do him vs. darby allin at the next PPV and put darby over.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Also, Mox has gotten so good on the stick. Just comfortable as hell, and both passionate and gritty.

[Psycho666Soldier]

if he can do it physically they should do him vs. darby allin at the next PPV and put darby over.

I expect it'll be a bit of a coaching thing with some big blow-off between Team Taz and Darby/Cody/Sting.

A proper Sting/Darby match before he's gone or chills would be awesome, though.

[Bert]

They said he signed a multi-year deal.

[Morrison]

They said he signed a multi-year deal.

also said it's full time, whatever that means.

[Donald]

also said it's full time, whatever that means.

Maybe something similar to jake roberts?

[Bert]

I get so tired of Omega overusing vtriggers.

[VHS]

Mox lost because of a microphone.

:lol:

[Defrost]

TNA and AEW? Huh.

[Bert]

Lol I just joked about Omega going to impact with Callis to my friend and they're really doing it.

[Tainted Eclipse]

uuuhhhhhhh i am not into this angle

[Morrison]

Mox lost because of a microphone.

:lol:

well it was also the insane amount of v-triggers and one of the most protected finishers in the whole business, but yeah... a microphone.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Hot damn, what a main event. Wasn't perfect, but the strong parts were awesome. And that was almost exactly the finish they needed to have. A mic might seem kind of weak, but the execution was done really well, especially with the blade job and the post-match stuff.

AEW killed it tonight.

[Tainted Eclipse]

yeah i really liked the execution of the ending. but a TNA crossover? really???

[Psycho666Soldier]

yeah i really liked the execution of the ending. but a TNA crossover? really???

I'm not 100% looking forward to that itself as much as I just think it's cool to see wrestling promotions willing to do that with such a big angle.

[Matthew]

very fun show. different way to go about things with the end. i'm intrigued

[Tainted Eclipse]

I'm not 100% looking forward to that itself as much as I just think it's cool to see wrestling promotions willing to do that with such a big angle.

in theory yeah but .... it's TNA in 2020. the least exciting thing imaginable.

[Psycho666Soldier]

In general, though, I think Kenny becoming a shithouse heel is something that he both needed and was obviously building. Robbing Mox of his title and undefeated streak through underhanded means after talking about beating him with pure wrestling is the perfect character arc for him. A lot of potential here, and an eventual showdown with Hangman is going to be charged as hell.

[Psycho666Soldier]

in theory yeah but .... it's TNA in 2020. the least exciting thing imaginable.

I haven't really followed closely, but they still have some cool dudes on the roster. It obviously has a lot of potential to flop, but I'm at least willing to give it a shot and see what they do.

If nothing else, hopefully it will mostly be involved with the World Championship angles and the rest of AEW can still do things without it.

[Hero!]

AEW and impact crossing over a bit could be very nice. As long as it’s not a full-on crossover and mixing up I’ll be happy.

[Psycho666Soldier]

AEW and impact crossing over a bit could be very nice. As long as it’s not a full-on crossover and mixing up I’ll be happy.

Yeah, we don't need an AEW/Impact war. I'm hoping it's just a flavorful way to announce an official working deal or something like that.

[Tainted Eclipse]

why do you want your new world champions first televised wrestling appearance as world champion to be on a show a max of 1% of your audience watches

[Hero!]

I honestly think it’s more to boost impact’s ratings than anything.

also just thought about how fun AEW women vs impact’s awesome KO division could be. Also The North vs The Young Bucks would be sick.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i mean, they could do this for the TV title. sure. tag titles even. but the world title???

[Hero!]

Dude it’s just an appearance to get impact some views. Omega and Jericho are great friends with Callis, so they’re just helping them a bit.

[Psycho666Soldier]

This was also the perfect place for Moxley to lose the title. He had a full run, had a bit of a dull start, but had a hot string of matches over the last few months while starting to fire on all cylinders and really find his footing and niche as the face of AEW. He pretty much reached the peak point where had they gone longer, you risk people turning on him. And then they have him lost like this and not only reset that heat, but put over how strong of a champion he was that he had to lose like this.

I'm looking forward to an eventual match with Cody beefing about calling himself the Ace while Mox is champ.

[Bert]

I honestly think it’s more to boost impact’s ratings than anything.

also just thought about how fun AEW women vs impact’s awesome KO division could be. Also The North vs The Young Bucks would be sick.

Ethan Page's contract is supposed to expire soon so they better do it now.

[Hero!]

Fuuuuck hold up, they could do Bucks vs MCMG again.

Bucks and Omega with Gallows and Anderson mini reunion.

[JuveLeo]

I really enjoyed Dynamite tonight. Great episode and I'm happy to see Omega win the title. Hopefully he has a good run. Becoming a heel helps i think.
I'm not too excited about the TNA cross over though. Kinda meh for me.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Personally I thought the whole episode was extremely predictable. Not necessarily bad wrestling in curtain matches, just extremely easy to see what is coming, which isn't even always the case in Vincent Kland. And that leads to boring tv eventually.

Last week, I posted on the 'front page' that the battle royal would come down to MJF vs Cassidy, with the guy who has the new super man punch (Cassidy) winning the match and super sized ring, great for punching of course. Very basic, predictable booking there.

the second the lights went off, I said, "Sting" . It's been so IN YOUR FACE obvious he was coming with the WWE removing his merchandise plus Darby Allen dressing like Sting, wearing make-up like Sting and then finally hiding in the rafters of the 'arena' like Sting. Subtle is something AEW doesn't do at all let alone well....

Another Young Bucks "aren't we assholes" interview. You mean they're facing another jabroni tag team next week? Wow, there's something new for them....

But thank Harley. I'm so sick of hearing how unbeatably tough John Moxley is. Kenny Omega the cheater is my new favorite AEW wrestler for setting us free from the curse of Moxley toughguy Promos..... I hope.

[Sasori]

This was kind of a weird episode. What happened in the ring was good, but there was a big a schmoz after every match. Felt like overkill. And that segment with the guy saying the Young Bucks were staring at each others junk. Is this 2002?!

I liked the Hangman/Dark Order stuff. If you follow BTE, then it makes sense.

Remember that comment Tony Khan made about "changing the balance of power in wrestling"? Well, the conclusion of the Moxley/Omega match has to be the pay off to that.


That theme is awesome. I don't understand what exactly he's going to do in AEW though.

Sell his merch, lend his likeness to AEW products (they've got 2 video games coming out), mentoring people, etc. There's a ton of things he can do outside the ring for them.

[Bert]

Personally I thought the whole episode was extremely predictable. Not necessarily bad wrestling in curtain matches, just extremely easy to see what is coming, which isn't even always the case in Vincent Kland. And that leads to boring tv eventually.

Last week, I posted on the 'front page' that the battle royal would come down to MJF vs Cassidy, with the guy who has the new super man punch (Cassidy) winning the match and super sized ring, great for punching of course. Very basic, predictable booking there.

the second the lights went off, I said, "Sting" . It's been so IN YOUR FACE obvious he was coming with the WWE removing his merchandise plus Darby Allen dressing like Sting, wearing make-up like Sting and then finally hiding in the rafters of the 'arena' like Sting. Subtle is something AEW doesn't do at all let alone well....

Another Young Bucks "aren't we assholes" interview. You mean they're facing another jabroni tag team next week? Wow, there's something new for them....

But thank Harley. I'm so sick of hearing how unbeatably tough John Moxley is. Kenny Omega the cheater is my new favorite AEW wrestler for setting us free from the curse of Moxley toughguy Promos..... I hope.

Darby has always done his face paint and dressed how he does, it has nothing to do with Sting.

[PurePlayer]

I wonder if WWE thinks Shotzi Blackheart will win in the ratings war lol.

Seriously, great show of AEW! Sting showing up was a holy shit moment for me. The main event was awesome. I loved the ending with Omega needing to cheat. The announcers sold it so well. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think they will eventually build to Omega vs Page again. I wonder who will be the first contender.

[Chris Scott]

STING SHOWING UP WAS LIKE WTFUUUUUUUUCK

Nice episode. No PAC? Or did I miss him in the battle royal?

[Matthew]

he was not there

i loled at kingston just jumping on the mic at the end

[PurePlayer]

STING SHOWING UP WAS LIKE WTFUUUUUUUUCK

Nice episode. No PAC? Or did I miss him in the battle royal?

I think they should do this more often. Every big name doesn't have to be on tv every week. Hopefully that is something we see more of going forward. Take the two hours and focus on 3-4 storylines and then the following week you can focus on the others. Obviously, you can keep advancing the big ones but I think it would be great if they didn't over expose their main guys.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Darby has always done his face paint and dressed how he does, it has nothing to do with Sting.

Im sure he wasn't influenced as a youngster like all children are, right? Anyhow, the git-up is most definitely Stingish and always has been. Not surfer Sting but Crow Sting. (Lame joke)

I also noticed you failed to mention how he recently started hanging in the rafters in a most Sting-like way?

Well Ating's arrival was telegraphed like pitcher giving up his pitches to a better before he releases the ball.

I also gotta chime in on the announcer's overkill. It's a bit much at all times with the 'Moxley tough guy routine' but last night was too much from start to finish, even trying to get "Reba" or "Rebel" correct.

And seeing Arn Anderson fight, fall and try to get up looks more like something that belongs in Jackass Senior The Movie

[Nash Diesel]

I like that Tony Khan playing EWR with his dad's money is giving us old timers something to look forward to. I wish WWE did stuff like this where they brought back legends but it seems they only want to bring back people who can still work and do look 100.

Sting is 61 years old and look about 81 last night. WCW 3.0 in full effect.

Oh and while I'm glad Kenny won the title, fuck the story. I have no desire to see AEW and Impact working together. My son thinks it's all just to get Gallows and Anderson working with AEW.

[Matthew]

Im sure he wasn't influenced as a youngster like all children are, right? Anyhow, the git-up is most definitely Stingish and always has been. Not surfer Sting but Crow Sting. (Lame joke)

I also noticed you failed to mention how he recently started hanging in the rafters in a most Sting-like way?

Well Ating's arrival was telegraphed like pitcher giving up his pitches to a better before he releases the ball.

I also gotta chime in on the announcer's overkill. It's a bit much at all times with the 'Moxley tough guy routine' but last night was too much from start to finish, even trying to get "Reba" or "Rebel" correct.

And seeing Arn Anderson fight, fall and try to get up looks more like something that belongs in Jackass Senior The Moviedo you know what rafters are

[Nash Diesel]

If anyone thinks Sting is there for anything other than 7 figures you're fucking delusional. He was never and has never been a wrestling fan. In TNA, he never did shit for anyone. Listen to any interview, nobody ever talked about how Sting was a mentor, that helped with creative. He himself has said he has no desire to do any of that stuff and never has.

He's not there to mentor talent or to help behind the scenes. He's there for the money and the fact the owner of AEW is a fucking mark just like Dixie Carter is why he'll probably enjoy his time more in AEW than WWE because WWE, in case you all forgot, do not operate like any other wrestling company because they're lightyears beyond being simply a wrasslin company.

[Matthew]

don't you dare try and besmirch real estate steve like that

[Bert]

Im sure he wasn't influenced as a youngster like all children are, right? Anyhow, the git-up is most definitely Stingish and always has been. Not surfer Sting but Crow Sting. (Lame joke)

I also noticed you failed to mention how he recently started hanging in the rafters in a most Sting-like way?

Well Ating's arrival was telegraphed like pitcher giving up his pitches to a better before he releases the ball.

I also gotta chime in on the announcer's overkill. It's a bit much at all times with the 'Moxley tough guy routine' but last night was too much from start to finish, even trying to get "Reba" or "Rebel" correct.

And seeing Arn Anderson fight, fall and try to get up looks more like something that belongs in Jackass Senior The Movie

I must have missed Sting wearing jean shorts over tights with a belt. You're an idiot. I never said he wasn't influenced by him, I'm sure Finn Balor was too. It didn't mean Sting was going to NXT.

[VHS]

If anyone thinks Sting is there for anything other than 7 figures you're fucking delusional. He was never and has never been a wrestling fan. In TNA, he never did shit for anyone. Listen to any interview, nobody ever talked about how Sting was a mentor, that helped with creative. He himself has said he has no desire to do any of that stuff and never has.

He's not there to mentor talent or to help behind the scenes. He's there for the money and the fact the owner of AEW is a fucking mark just like Dixie Carter is why he'll probably enjoy his time more in AEW than WWE because WWE, in case you all forgot, do not operate like any other wrestling company because they're lightyears beyond being simply a wrasslin company.

Ok, ND.

[Nash Diesel]

Ok, ND.

Oh shit I didn't even know you were still alive good job bro I was worried there for a second bro you are fuckin dope bro I hope you're feeling ok bro.

[Chris Scott]

If anyone thinks Sting is there for anything other than 7 figures you're fucking delusional. He was never and has never been a wrestling fan. In TNA, he never did shit for anyone. Listen to any interview, nobody ever talked about how Sting was a mentor, that helped with creative. He himself has said he has no desire to do any of that stuff and never has.

He's not there to mentor talent or to help behind the scenes. He's there for the money and the fact the owner of AEW is a fucking mark just like Dixie Carter is why he'll probably enjoy his time more in AEW than WWE because WWE, in case you all forgot, do not operate like any other wrestling company because they're lightyears beyond being simply a wrasslin company.

Don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t know he’s not there for the money. It’s still a cool thing for the company. We know he’s not there for the company or the long run but only put over people.

[JuveLeo]

I think they should do this more often. Every big name doesn't have to be on tv every week. Hopefully that is something we see more of going forward. Take the two hours and focus on 3-4 storylines and then the following week you can focus on the others. Obviously, you can keep advancing the big ones but I think it would be great if they didn't over expose their main guys.

Or they can create a new show that would air on TV. Wasn't that in the works anyway?

[Nash Diesel]

Don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t know he’s not there for the money. It’s still a cool thing for the company. We know he’s not there for the company or the long run but only put over people.

How? He's 61 years old and can't even wrestle. Remember, he retired at the WWE HOF supposedly for real. Hanging out with old man Sting isn't exactly putting people over. So what is his purpose other than appealing to tiny % of fans that are consistently killing off the fans while simultaneously not creating any new fans of the sport....

[Matthew]

to be spooky and carry a bat and maybe wrestle with a shirt on

[Sasori]

I wonder if WWE thinks Shotzi Blackheart will win in the ratings war lol.

Seriously, great show of AEW! Sting showing up was a holy shit moment for me. The main event was awesome. I loved the ending with Omega needing to cheat. The announcers sold it so well. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think they will eventually build to Omega vs Page again. I wonder who will be the first contender.

Since it's off topic:


Why is Shotzi getting such a push? Is it just her turn after everyone else in the division got theirs?



to be spooky and carry a bat and maybe wrestle with a shirt on

I kind of like the idea of Sting being AEW's enforcer and showing up once in a while to defuse in ring brawls when they get out of hand.

[Deadman31]

Jericho looked awful last night. He was so fat and bloated. His frigging pants almost fell off. What is going on with him?

[Peter Griffin]

He's probably depressed and stopped working out since his pal Don lost.

[Chris Scott]

How? He's 61 years old and can't even wrestle. Remember, he retired at the WWE HOF supposedly for real. Hanging out with old man Sting isn't exactly putting people over. So what is his purpose other than appealing to tiny % of fans that are consistently killing off the fans while simultaneously not creating any new fans of the sport....

Who says he has to wrestle? Obviously he can do a angle or a storyline, same like old man Hogan did when he popped up in wwe. Doubt it’s a tiny % too way more than that he’s appealing too and no doubt will have hardcore fans thinking I’ll check AEW out see what Stings all about on there.

[Chris Scott]

I kind of like the idea of Sting being AEW's enforcer and showing up once in a while to defuse in ring brawls when they get out of hand.

And this is what we call a storyline :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

to be spooky and carry a bat and maybe wrestle with a shirt on

I saw him and Shawn Michaels on the Jesus Network years ago, now that was spooky....They both had shirts on too but had crosses instead of bats.... :(


Who says he has to wrestle? Obviously he can do a angle, same like old man Hogan did when he popped up in wwe. Doubt it’s a tiny % too way more than that he’s appealing too and no doubt will have hardcore fans thinking I’ll check AEW out see what Stings all about on there.


Like I said bruh, hanging out with Old Man Sting isn't exactly putting people over but I'll give it a chance. Why? Because I'm turning 39 and when I was 15 I really liked brown haired 1996 Sting and obviously Brandon Lee is god-level so he's hitting me there with the look.

But ultimately I find it a step backwards because this is tv time that should be going to someone/something else born within the last 3-4 decades, idk. I'm giving it a chance but that doesn't mean much when I give damn near everything a chance these days. We're revisiting nostalgia everywhere else in entertainment might as well keep the ball rolling.

[Chris Scott]

I think they should do this more often. Every big name doesn't have to be on tv every week. Hopefully that is something we see more of going forward. Take the two hours and focus on 3-4 storylines and then the following week you can focus on the others. Obviously, you can keep advancing the big ones but I think it would be great if they didn't over expose their main guys.

Imagine this happening. Would be good like.

[Chris Scott]

I saw him and Shawn Michaels on the Jesus Network years ago, now that was spooky....They both had shirts on too but had crosses instead of bats.... :(




Like I said bruh, hanging out with Old Man Sting isn't exactly putting people over but I'll give it a chance. Why? Because I'm turning 39 and when I was 15 I really liked brown haired 1996 Sting and obviously Brandon Lee is god-level so he's hitting me there with the look.

But ultimately I find it a step backwards because this is tv time that should be going to someone/something else born within the last 3-4 decades, idk. I'm giving it a chance but that doesn't mean much when I give damn near everything a chance these days. We're revisiting nostalgia everywhere else in entertainment might as well keep the ball rolling.

Well it’s the first thing they’ve done with an old legend guy coming in, he’s showed up once. Like you mentioned give it a chance, see what happens.

I still think who ever gets the run it will help them get over no matter what level they’re currently at.

[Chris Scott]

Jericho looked awful last night. He was so fat and bloated. His frigging pants almost fell off. What is going on with him?

Aye he certainly did. Think his days are unfortunately winding down. Hopefully they have him more concentrating on building the Inner Circle chaos.

[Sasori]

Jericho should be strictly a tag team wrestler.

[Sasori]

This poster is pretty sick.

https://i.redd.it/d86b2547s2361.jpg

[Sinner]

Darby and Sting have almost nothing in common. They wear face paint. That's about it.

It's kind of annoying.

Sting was a body-building 80s hero, turned silent vigilante with a steel resolve

Darby is an under-weight, scrappy, underdog with a high pain tolerance and no fear who won't back down

[Nash Diesel]

Darby and Sting have almost nothing in common. They wear face paint. That's about it.

It's kind of annoying.

Sting was a body-building 80s hero, turned silent vigilante with a steel resolve

Darby is an under-weight, scrappy, underdog with a high pain tolerance and no fear who won't back down

Khan and co. were apparently big fans of WCW's last 2 years because it's just like with Sting and Vampiro. They had NOTHING in common at all but were dubbed "Brothers In Paint" That made more sense when Sting was teaming with Road Warriors as they all had a similar background. Vampiro's history was totallllly different than Sting and they didn't have a history together so wtf was the point? It was almost like we were being sold a feud based on white and black face paint. ICP gets in the mix it's now gang warfare? Lol.

I'm sure the connection will be the paint and then they'll build off that. Maybe the brooding element of each man's character. But ultimately it is simply they both have black and white facepaint and AEW is all about "big brother" relationships although here it's more like Grandfather and grandson.

[Tim]

Sting can probably do some cinematic matches for AEW.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

do you know what rafters are

Yes, they are exactly where Darby Allin is told to sit the month before Sting shows up. wtf.

All alone.

at the fa king top of the venue brah.

It doesn't necessarily mean he had to be in the actual walkway at the top exactly like the Stinger was (if there is one in such a small place)

perhaps they wanted him seated all alone in the Bob Uecker Seats to get the point across clearly yet subtlly at the same time for those who can use their brains without seeing it on the front page of the wrestling news?

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Like I just told my wife: "I'm the idiot online arguing with some guy who says my proof that had me saying
'Sting!' Before he ever showed up must be wrong because he couldn't see what obviously allowed me to figure out Sting was coming in advance."
Too funny.

[Matthew]

so the answer is no, you don't know.

[Matthew]

Like I just told my wife: "I'm the idiot online arguing with some guy who says my proof that had me saying
'Sting!' Before he ever showed up must be wrong because he couldn't see what obviously allowed me to figure out Sting was coming in advance."
Too funny.
you must lead an interesting life

[Nash Diesel]

I honestly don't know how Matt Morrison has kept up this routine for 20 years. It has to be tiring.

[Sinner]

Also, if you say 'rafters' that does not equal 'nose bleed seats'

'rafters' means 'rafters'

[Nash Diesel]

Is this going to be like your going to bed and you're going to bed? Who gives a shit? It's dude trying to start shit with someone who says even dumber shit. It's a tired gimmick that shockingly hasn't died in 20 years. Don't get sucked into it. We all understood what dude meant when he said "rafters" Who gives a fuck? Matthew definitely doesn't he's just a bitch ass mark.

[Matthew]

wait until i tell my wife about this

[Nash Diesel]

Anyway, enough about rafters and back to AEW.

I will admit after having a couple days to digest I am growing a little more intrigued with what might be going on with AEW and Impact. I look at similar to when TNA had a working relationship with ROH. I don't remember any invasion stuff though, that was more CZW v. ROH. Impact just doesn't have the roster to make it really awesome. FTR v. The North doesn't exactly blow my wig.

Kofi Kingston Jr v. Kenny Omega doesn't blow me away. Don Callis has never been cool, even when he had a jewel in his forehead. Although the tag-team with Rick Martel has me wondering what could have been.....

Ugh...This is one of those angles where we'll have to for sure wait and see how it all plays out obviously since it's super fucking early but what kills me is Impact isn't TNA and TNA wasn't cool after they lost the Hardyz and Drew...even then it was barely worth a fuck. Although I have to admit the idea of Ken fuckin Shamrock v. Moxley would be dope.

[Nash Diesel]

wait until i tell my wife about this

Holy shit this whole time I thought Morrison was a dude. Although you could still be a man and be the wife it's almost 2021 we're beyond labels.

[VHS]

I would like the conversation about rafters to continue.

[Bert]

I would like the conversation about rafters to continue.

Ok.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/3e8310600d782af32311a9b70fdd2f96/tumblr_owe1ruP9UD1s05wxzo1_400.gif

This is Sting coming down from the rafters. Darby was sitting in the nose bleed seats. They're not the same thing and nwo4life is an idiot.

[Matthew]

rafters

[Nash Diesel]

It says a lot when Sting causes the most activity this thread has ever seen and it's mostly trolling about rafters lol.

[VHS]

It says a lot about what?

[Nash Diesel]

It says a lot about what?

Your life. This whole message board is your dream come true, your very own Truman Show. Only YOU are the camera. Weird right? You are the actual camera. You're like a modernized Soundwave bruh

*Edit* Naw fuck that I just looked it up you're Refraktor. Bitch ass Refraktor.

[Sasori]

As far as AEW working with Impact, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Tony Khan wants to work with as many companies as he can. With Harold Meiji gone, it's more likely a partnership with New Japan will materialize. 2021 should be a crazy year.

[Nash Diesel]

As far as AEW working with Impact, it's just the tip of the iceberg. Tony Khan wants to work with as many companies as he can. With Harold Meiji gone, it's more likely a partnership with New Japan will materialize. 2021 should be a crazy year.

I don't think it's so much Tony Khan as it is the nature of the business. New Japan works with other companies, Impact works with other companies, WWE even works with other companies and not just wrestling promotions. I mean, half of AEW's roster on Dynamite works for at least 1 other promotion. They even feature the NWA Women's champion more than their own.

[Tim]

It's a nice though trying to help TNA but I don't think there's a single wrestler that could jump to TNA and make me watch. I love Taker but if they announced he jumped to TNA I would end up just being sad for Taker's mental health and still wouldn't watch.

[VHS]

I don't think it's so much Tony Khan as it is the nature of the business. New Japan works with other companies, Impact works with other companies, WWE even works with other companies and not just wrestling promotions. I mean, half of AEW's roster on Dynamite works for at least 1 other promotion. They even feature the NWA Women's champion more than their own.

This is what turns me off about AEW in some aspect. They've made their claim as one of the top promotions in the country at the moment, but they've banked heavily on wrestlers they didn't build up themselves. I see guys like Darby, Orange Cassidy and Jungle Boy flourishing in the future, but they're not going to make it to true star status in AEW. They depend heavily on names coming in from other establishments, like Sting for instance. And also the NWA womens champions Thunder Rosa and now Serena Deeb. Their dependency on others has made them a bit clueless about what to do w/ the big names once they get them. FTR's just there, Miro's a joke and Lucha Bros. are being wasted.

I guess what I believe is... people like Thunder Rosa and Darby, they're going to be huge no matter what because they flat out have IT. They'll continue to grow, but it won't be because of what AEW does for them but more so what they do for AEW before continuing on w/ their journey.

[Psycho666Soldier]

This is what turns me off about AEW in some aspect. They've made their claim as one of the top promotions in the country at the moment, but they've banked heavily on wrestlers they didn't build up themselves. I see guys like Darby, Orange Cassidy and Jungle Boy flourishing in the future, but they're not going to make it to true star status in AEW. They depend heavily on names coming in from other establishments, like Sting for instance. And also the NWA womens champions Thunder Rosa and now Serena Deeb. Their dependency on others has made them a bit clueless about what to do w/ the big names once they get them. FTR's just there, Miro's a joke and Lucha Bros. are being wasted.

I guess what I believe is... people like Thunder Rosa and Darby, they're going to be huge no matter what because they flat out have IT. They'll continue to grow, but it won't be because of what AEW does for them but more so what they do for AEW before continuing on w/ their journey.

What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.

[Morrison]

What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.

vhs typically has these shit takes. best explanation you'll get out of him is a link to a youtube vid or a gif.

[VHS]

What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.

Right, most haven't. But they've depended the most from the folks that have.

[Morrison]

Right, most haven't. But they've depended the most from the folks that have.

fucking duh.

[Nash Diesel]

It's a nice though trying to help TNA but I don't think there's a single wrestler that could jump to TNA and make me watch. I love Taker but if they announced he jumped to TNA I would end up just being sad for Taker's mental health and still wouldn't watch.

The Rock inducted Ken Shamrock and I forgot all about it that's how important TNA is to me now. But around 2005 up until shit I'd say whenever they were doing Wolves v. Hardyz v. Team 3-D I was very into it. They had their ups and downs like anything else but when they were easy to watch on Spike, I was very into the product.

Now it looks like shit and the stories are fuckin dumb for the most part. I'm not a fan of really anyone there other than Ken Shamrock and the Club. Women's division is still pretty interesting but that's about it.


This is what turns me off about AEW in some aspect. They've made their claim as one of the top promotions in the country at the moment, but they've banked heavily on wrestlers they didn't build up themselves. I see guys like Darby, Orange Cassidy and Jungle Boy flourishing in the future, but they're not going to make it to true star status in AEW. They depend heavily on names coming in from other establishments, like Sting for instance. And also the NWA womens champions Thunder Rosa and now Serena Deeb. Their dependency on others has made them a bit clueless about what to do w/ the big names once they get them. FTR's just there, Miro's a joke and Lucha Bros. are being wasted.

I guess what I believe is... people like Thunder Rosa and Darby, they're going to be huge no matter what because they flat out have IT. They'll continue to grow, but it won't be because of what AEW does for them but more so what they do for AEW before continuing on w/ their journey.

I want to give AEW the benefit of the doubt but they talk so much shit it's only fair that we give them what they want and nitpick their shit just like we do WWE. They have it fuckin easy and they can't even handle Jim Cornette shitting on their show.


What are you talking about? Most of AEW's focus has been on signed talent. FTR was a major part of the programming until they lost the titles(but have shown up to say they're basically biding their time for a return), and the Lucha Bros. are currently involved in one of their highlighted programs. Other than Sting, which literally just happened, Thunder Rosa has been the only outside talent they've given a large amount of shine to.

Why does it matter if the likes of Mox/Hangman/Omega/Jericho/Young Bucks/Cody have been some of the main ones carrying the weight? Half of them are part of the group of people that started the damn company, and two of them have fully embodied the spirit of the promotion(I guess mileage could vary with Jericho). So I don't see how this is really valid complaint when most of the people who have been featured haven't even been to WWE.

I think it's fair to say the WWE are living rent free in the roster's head. Those that are trying to do their own thing and not worry about what quirky meme or tweet they can come up with or promo shot at the WWE, those are going to be the true stars. It's still early for AEW. Their main focus is whatever Chris Jericho and WCW 1998 are interested in doing.

But like I said above....AEW wants to be considered an alternative, well Pepsi is an alternative to Coke and they get praised and shit on just as much as the other. AEW and some of their fans needs to grow a set, stop worrying about Cornette, maybe stop catering to that 35-85 demographic.

Imagine 20 years and a company acting like we were supposed to be hype for muthafuckin Pedro Morales scaring away DX. Or shit imagine if Warrior returned and took out Nexus.....Ok maybe that would have been cool IDK but still. I'm still not understanding why they hate Kenny Omega so much.

[VHS]

fucking duh.

Holy frick, we agree? :yes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7egnsU9Ckek


I want to give AEW the benefit of the doubt but they talk so much shit it's only fair that we give them what they want and nitpick their shit just like we do WWE. They have it fuckin easy and they can't even handle Jim Cornette shitting on their show

Ehh, yeah. AEW does have the plus side of not being WWE, who has almost entirely shit the bed (creatively) during the last 9 months.

[Psycho666Soldier]

The Rock inducted Ken Shamrock and I forgot all about it that's how important TNA is to me now. But around 2005 up until shit I'd say whenever they were doing Wolves v. Hardyz v. Team 3-D I was very into it. They had their ups and downs like anything else but when they were easy to watch on Spike, I was very into the product.

Now it looks like shit and the stories are fuckin dumb for the most part. I'm not a fan of really anyone there other than Ken Shamrock and the Club. Women's division is still pretty interesting but that's about it.



I want to give AEW the benefit of the doubt but they talk so much shit it's only fair that we give them what they want and nitpick their shit just like we do WWE. They have it fuckin easy and they can't even handle Jim Cornette shitting on their show.



I think it's fair to say the WWE are living rent free in the roster's head. Those that are trying to do their own thing and not worry about what quirky meme or tweet they can come up with or promo shot at the WWE, those are going to be the true stars. It's still early for AEW. Their main focus is whatever Chris Jericho and WCW 1998 are interested in doing.

But like I said above....AEW wants to be considered an alternative, well Pepsi is an alternative to Coke and they get praised and shit on just as much as the other. AEW and some of their fans needs to grow a set, stop worrying about Cornette, maybe stop catering to that 35-85 demographic.

Imagine 20 years and a company acting like we were supposed to be hype for muthafuckin Pedro Morales scaring away DX. Or shit imagine if Warrior returned and took out Nexus.....Ok maybe that would have been cool IDK but still. I'm still not understanding why they hate Kenny Omega so much.

I'm all for arguing that AEW isn't doing enough to be different from WWE or are too focused on competing with them or have their own hypocritical flaws. I don't 100% agree with all of that, but I see the merit. I just don't really feel like VHS's complaint is particularly true. They're partially reliant on previous WWE stars and non-signed talent, but I think they have put a lot of shine on guys like Darby, Jungle Boy, Team Taz, MJF, and that's just naming a few.

On top of that, there's nothing wrong to spotlight former stars in popular companies when they're tired of working other places. The roster might be inflated, but the focus is spread through most corners of the roster.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm all for arguing that AEW isn't doing enough to be different from WWE or are too focused on competing with them or have their own hypocritical flaws. I don't 100% agree with all of that, but I see the merit. I just don't really feel like VHS's complaint is particularly true. They're partially reliant on previous WWE stars and non-signed talent, but I think they have put a lot of shine on guys like Darby, Jungle Boy, Team Taz, MJF, and that's just naming a few.

On top of that, there's nothing wrong to spotlight former stars in popular companies when they're tired of working other places. The roster might be inflated, but the focus is spread through most corners of the roster.

So many wrestlers have worked for WWE over the years it's hard not to find someone who hasn't worked under their umbrella in some capacity.

That's not the knock from my end because no wrestling company has ever been 100% homegrown talent. The knock from me is when I see fans immediately think AEW is doing better with them or that wrestlers should leave WWE-not ROH, NJPW, etc but just WWE- and go to AEW to get treated better. Based on what?

Which leads me to the talent like MJF, Jungle Boy, and Darby Allin. Those 3 right there could be top guys that only die hard super fans of the indies knew about but the rest of us would give props to AEW for putting them on a much much bigger platform than they were getting previously. The problem is that too many people in AEW are hellbent on telling Vince to suck it, like he fucking cares.

Vince knowingly put NXT up against AEW. Here's what gets lost in the conversation. AEW super fans will be like "Oh Vince fucked himself by putting NXT on at the same night he'd have a lot more viewers if he didn't split the audience like that" Well no what he did was also take away AEW's audience-which are basically one in the same. And Vince knew that his fanbase could watch NXT on the Network as well. USA isn't kicking WWE to the curb anytime soon and WWE know this isn't 1995. They make more money now than when they had Austin and The Rock headlining.

So AEW needs to let WWE go, and worry about what they have now because they are sacrificing too much just to cater to people my age. I'll 39 Saturday, I had my time as a fan. MOST people my age stopped watching wrestling 20+ years ago. Even the MNW had weak numbers compared to Friends.

[Sasori]

Shaq tonight on Dynamite.

[Nash Diesel]

Shaq tonight on Dynamite.

Cool said 1998.

[Ringo]

Shaq's one of the most famous NBA players in history and one of the current analysts on TNT's NBA coverage. Let's not pretend he hasn't been relevant since 1998 like he was some z-lister that had his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Did anyone watch Impact?

The episode itself wasn't that intriguing. It seemed like they kind of had most of their stories in stasis for the PPV and just tried to get on some of their best talents to showcase who could make for a good crossover. Wasn't terrible, just felt pretty sterile. The "paid advertisement" with the Tony's was pretty funny with the low-key sass and digs at Impact, and I also kind of liked how they actually showed Rich Swann getting pissed about being treated like a lesser champion in Omega's presence.

The interview itself wasn't too revealing, but it's good to hear Kenny in his full heel persona, and I like that he's taking the direction of blaming his actions on Moxley(and probably every single problem of his on everyone but himself). It sets the stage for the perfect kind of hypocrisy a heel needs to have, as well makes for an already written program with Page when the time comes. He'll blame Page for dragging his career down and for failing to retain the tag titles, when it was actually Hangman that carried that team and shined as a star.

[Nash Diesel]

Shaq's one of the most famous NBA players in history and one of the current analysts on TNT's NBA coverage. Let's not pretend he hasn't been relevant since 1998 like he was some z-lister that had his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago.

In the NBA, sure. In the wrestling world, no. He wasn't even relevant a few years ago when they kept trying to make Shaq v. Big Show a thing.

It's like with Tyson. Wow, he showed up in AEW and nobody gave a fuck. I get why Shaq is appearing, but for anyone to act like this is cool or some big deal in wrestling.....It wasn't even a big deal back in 1994-1995 when he cornered Hulk Hogan. If you're a fan, cool. I was a fan of Shaq once, when he was on my Celtics and did nothing but look odd in our jersey.

[Nash Diesel]

Did anyone watch Impact?

The episode itself wasn't that intriguing. It seemed like they kind of had most of their stories in stasis for the PPV and just tried to get on some of their best talents to showcase who could make for a good crossover. Wasn't terrible, just felt pretty sterile. The "paid advertisement" with the Tony's was pretty funny with the low-key sass and digs at Impact, and I also kind of liked how they actually showed Rich Swann getting pissed about being treated like a lesser champion in Omega's presence.

The interview itself wasn't too revealing, but it's good to hear Kenny in his full heel persona, and I like that he's taking the direction of blaming his actions on Moxley(and probably every single problem of his on everyone but himself). It sets the stage for the perfect kind of hypocrisy a heel needs to have, as well makes for an already written program with Page when the time comes. He'll blame Page for dragging his career down and for failing to retain the tag titles, when it was actually Hangman that carried that team and shined as a star.

It'll be interesting to see how a guy who never had to worry about carrying a storyline outside of what he does in the ring will do as World champion. I have been waiting for Kenny Omega to win the AEW title since day one but what bothers me is how bad he is on the mic. I mean he's fucking terrible. Even in interviews he's very awkward, maybe he's just a socially awkward dude but man he needs serious help. He shouldn't have trouble finding help considering he has his own mentor from the 80's/90's in Don Callis beause you know AEW can't really fuck with someone unless they have a former WCW/WWF guy mentoring them.

I did find it funny that some comments online talked about Swann being frustrated like he was the lesser champion of the two and let's be honest, despite TNA's unheard of longevity, he is the lesser of the two. Swann is probably the worst Impact champion in history and I'm pretty sure they had Moose as champion.

[Psycho666Soldier]

It'll be interesting to see how a guy who never had to worry about carrying a storyline outside of what he does in the ring will do as World champion. I have been waiting for Kenny Omega to win the AEW title since day one but what bothers me is how bad he is on the mic. I mean he's fucking terrible. Even in interviews he's very awkward, maybe he's just a socially awkward dude but man he needs serious help. He shouldn't have trouble finding help considering he has his own mentor from the 80's/90's in Don Callis beause you know AEW can't really fuck with someone unless they have a former WCW/WWF guy mentoring them.

I did find it funny that some comments online talked about Swann being frustrated like he was the lesser champion of the two and let's be honest, despite TNA's unheard of longevity, he is the lesser of the two. Swann is probably the worst Impact champion in history and I'm pretty sure they had Moose as champion.

Oh, he most certainly is the lesser of the two, but I just think it's nice that they acknowledged it in storyline rather than writing off like the Impact Champion would just be happy to have his spotlight overshadowed by another company's champion. That said, I don't really have an interest in seeing a Kenny/Swann program.

I think Kenny's mic work is fine as a heel because he doesn't necessarily have to impress you, but I agree that it's easily his weakest asset. I think if he has Callis fill in the blanks for him and you let Kenny just play up this sleazy, full-of-himself asshole who is constantly in need of reassurance, the personality could make up for the shoddy mic skills. But we'll see how it goes.

[Nash Diesel]

Oh, he most certainly is the lesser of the two, but I just think it's nice that they acknowledged it in storyline rather than writing off like the Impact Champion would just be happy to have his spotlight overshadowed by another company's champion. That said, I don't really have an interest in seeing a Kenny/Swann program.

I think Kenny's mic work is fine as a heel because he doesn't necessarily have to impress you, but I agree that it's easily his weakest asset. I think if he has Callis fill in the blanks for him and you let Kenny just play up this sleazy, full-of-himself asshole who is constantly in need of reassurance, the personality could make up for the shoddy mic skills. But we'll see how it goes.

Oh yeah man I'm glad they did acknowledge it on screen because I'm sure a lot of people who may have watched were thinking exactly like me when it comes to Swann.

The bold part is what I'm going to focus on real quick because I think as a heel, you most definitely have to impress on the mic more than anything. Especially when your in-ring work is as good as Omega's. Especially over the last fuck....20 years, where more often than not, a great in-ring wrestler trying to be a heel gets cheered more than the babyface. I'm not saying it's a make or break but I want to look back 6 months from now and be like damn, Kenny is the total fucking package.

So he needs to be able to do something other than heelish in-ring tactics to really get to that next level for me. He's already one of my absolute favorites to watch, but I've never felt the need to boo the guy but one time in my life and that was when he helped beat up AJ Styles lol. Plus I want to see the end of these mentors as I call them. If you can't talk, find someone better than Impact's Don Callis-which I'm hearing is not going to be anything long term and that's from AEW's own Dave Meltzer.

[JuveLeo]

To be honest i fast forwarded the entire Impact show just to see what Omega was going to say. I don't really find TNA interesting or intriguing at all.

[Matthew]

taz said rafters

i'm shook to the core

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Ok.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/3e8310600d782af32311a9b70fdd2f96/tumblr_owe1ruP9UD1s05wxzo1_400.gif

This is Sting coming down from the rafters. Darby was sitting in the nose bleed seats. They're not the same thing and nwo4life is an idiot.

Well Sting just finished saying you are in fact the one who was wrong. (Nice way to respond in this day and age of rudeness and pride gone wild.)

gotta run and say say goodnight to my son who has autism. Peace to all.

[Bert]

Still nosebleed seats. Thanks for the status update.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i thought mjf/cassidy was one of the best matches of the year, but the ending sucked.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Ending could have been stronger, though I didn't hate it. A decent way to keep the ring on MJF(who makes more sense to have it), further the feud with Miro, and have Cassidy lose without looking weaker than MJF.

But I agree that the match as a whole was one of the better ones this year.

The rest of the episode felt a bit meh. But the opening match was good.

[Bert]

I was hoping Sting would say more and we'd see Good Brothers.

[Sasori]

I guess I enjoyed this episode more than most. It felt like it was jam packed and rarely had a dull moment. The Shaq/Brandy segment was pretty tame, but other than that, there was always something going on.

The main event was damn good. Probably MJF's best showing this year. And Best Friends made the logical decision to go in the back and getting help.


Did anyone watch Impact?

The episode itself wasn't that intriguing. It seemed like they kind of had most of their stories in stasis for the PPV and just tried to get on some of their best talents to showcase who could make for a good crossover. Wasn't terrible, just felt pretty sterile. The "paid advertisement" with the Tony's was pretty funny with the low-key sass and digs at Impact, and I also kind of liked how they actually showed Rich Swann getting pissed about being treated like a lesser champion in Omega's presence.

The interview itself wasn't too revealing, but it's good to hear Kenny in his full heel persona, and I like that he's taking the direction of blaming his actions on Moxley(and probably every single problem of his on everyone but himself). It sets the stage for the perfect kind of hypocrisy a heel needs to have, as well makes for an already written program with Page when the time comes. He'll blame Page for dragging his career down and for failing to retain the tag titles, when it was actually Hangman that carried that team and shined as a star.

The highlights of Impact for me was the tag team main event and the continuation of the ridiculous attempted murder storyline.

"I didn't do it. Anyway, let's have a match and if I win, I'm free, but if I lose, I go to jail." :lol:

Not having any crowd noise hurt the show, but at the least there was nothing too cringy.

I also forgot Emma was still there.

[Nash Diesel]

I guess I enjoyed this episode more than most. It felt like it was jam packed and rarely had a dull moment. The Shaq/Brandy segment was pretty tame, but other than that, there was always something going on.

The main event was damn good. Probably MJF's best showing this year. And Best Friends made the logical decision to go in the back and getting help.



The highlights of Impact for me was the tag team main event and the continuation of the ridiculous attempted murder storyline.

"I didn't do it. Anyway, let's have a match and if I win, I'm free, but if I lose, I go to jail." :lol:

Not having any crowd noise hurt the show, but at the least there was nothing too cringy.

I also forgot Emma was still there.

We can't even blame this on covid-19. They normally don't have people there as it is.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Ending could have been stronger, though I didn't hate it. A decent way to keep the ring on MJF(who makes more sense to have it), further the feud with Miro, and have Cassidy lose without looking weaker than MJF.

But I agree that the match as a whole was one of the better ones this year.

The rest of the episode felt a bit meh. But the opening match was good.
I wouldn’t have minded so much of the clothesline didn’t suck and make zero connection. A match that good deserved a strong ending not a dud of an ending.

[Sasori]

We can't even blame this on covid-19. They normally don't have people there as it is.

So they were wrestling in dead silence pre-Covid? That's rough. By now, I would have thought they'd follow WWE's example and pipe in some crowd noise. It can't be that hard to do.

[Hero!]

“AEW: 995,000
NXT: 659,000


AEW #2 on all of cable and #1 on all of cable in males 18-49 (0.57), and an 0.45 in persons 18-49.”



jesus christ

[Nash Diesel]

Sting and AEW v. Impact. NXT just needs to have Luger show up and then start a feud with Ring of Honor. Then at Mania it could be AEW and Impact v. NXT and ROH in WAR GAMES hosted by Shotzi Blackhart and Brandi Rhodes. Naked.

[JuveLeo]

“AEW: 995,000
NXT: 659,000


AEW #2 on all of cable and #1 on all of cable in males 18-49 (0.57), and an 0.45 in persons 18-49.”



jesus christ

Damn, that's great for AEW.

Impact also drew 750,000, which is their highest viewership since joining axs tv last year. I guess this proves that Omega is a legit draw?

[Sinner]

I would have tuned in for any AEW wrestler appearing on Impact, for the novelty of it.

But - Kenny is a draw also.

Combine those, but I was there for the angle. Kenny was a bonus

[VHS]

Was thoroughly enjoying Orange/MJF, but there was just too much going on around the ring. Too many bodies and then adding Miro in at the end, it was a cluster.

[Sasori]

I'm sure the intention right now is to advance as many feuds as possible with so many eyes on the product. Things will probably slow down in January.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm sure the intention right now is to advance as many feuds as possible with so many eyes on the product. Things will probably slow down in January.

One thing AEW isn't known for is slowing down. They have convoluted storylines that bleed into each other with no real purpose and it's impossible to follow at times. That's why the show has never been that good as an actual tv show. The storyline aspect is not there and there's no excuse for it when you have the likes of Arn Anderson, Jake the Snake, Goldust, Dean, Tully, the list goes on of credible veterans including Cody Rhodes who worked for the WWE for how many years under how many great talents including his own Father?

That's a big result of people who grew up watching or were part of booking late 90's Raw, Nitro, etc. because that's how these shows would go sometimes. WCW having a Nitro end without 40 people fighting would have been unheard of during their peak years. People forget, not everything was cool and not every segment worked. That shit was not fun to know you're sitting through 2-3 hours of Nitro just for it end with a bullshit finish where 90 dudes came out to rape Savage.

[Sasori]

One thing AEW isn't known for is slowing down. They have convoluted storylines that bleed into each other with no real purpose and it's impossible to follow at times. That's why the show has never been that good as an actual tv show. The storyline aspect is not there and there's no excuse for it when you have the likes of Arn Anderson, Jake the Snake, Goldust, Dean, Tully, the list goes on of credible veterans including Cody Rhodes who worked for the WWE for how many years under how many great talents including his own Father?

That's a big result of people who grew up watching or were part of booking late 90's Raw, Nitro, etc. because that's how these shows would go sometimes. WCW having a Nitro end without 40 people fighting would have been unheard of during their peak years. People forget, not everything was cool and not every segment worked. That shit was not fun to know you're sitting through 2-3 hours of Nitro just for it end with a bullshit finish where 90 dudes came out to rape Savage.

I recall a stretch of a couple months when they first moved to Daily's Place where there wasn't a whole lot going on. Lots of tag matches without too much advancement in the storyline department. Once they got in the groove, things did pick up. I'm not trying to be contrary just for the sake of it, but I'm fine with how AEW runs their shows. I enjoy the roughness and how it doesn't follow the standard wrestling show formula. WWE is so controlled that It's refreshing to sit down and watch something which is unpolished. It's purely optional viewing, but I also watch BTE and Sammy's Vlog pretty regularly which does fill in the holes. It would be nice to see more development with Hangman and the Dark Order on Dynamite because they've been developing that story pretty heavily on BTE.

[Sasori]

Keep an eye on Alex Gracia aka the Pink Dream. She's got potential. Gracia has been popping up on Dark since September. This is her best showing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE9clnQV30U

[JuveLeo]

Kenny made quick work of Joey Janela. I like it. That's how it should be done when the champ is up against a jabroni. Good episode tonight

[Tainted Eclipse]

still not into the kenny angle so far

[JuveLeo]

still not into the kenny angle so farI can see many people feeling this way. He's kinda awkward when he speaks. Mic skills are meh

[Sasori]

That was some damn fine wrestling from Cody and Angelico. I don't remember Angelico working like that style in Lucha Underground. He was always just trying to kill himself, lol.

Eddie Kingston is going to have to find an equalizer to deal with Archer. I can't think of anyone currently on the roster who isn't already involved with another faction, so maybe a new recruit is in order.

The only stuff I didn't like on the show was the Acclaim's childish disses and Don Callis talking to Kenny during the main event. Thankfully, he shut up.

[Nash Diesel]

I can see many people feeling this way. He's kinda awkward when he speaks. Mic skills are meh

It's my biggest gripe but understandable considering he never worked anywhere where what you said mattered. Nobody was talking up his mic skills in DDT or NJPW because he didn't have to really impress anyone over there. Now he has to contend with the Western fans who for the most part grew up with the mentality that you should not only be a great wrestler but a great talker...And a great talker more often than not draws more money than the guy doing the best shit in the ring.

I think he'll get it. Even in AEW he never really cut promos. Him and Page were pretty quiet and when they did talk it was very short and to the point. He just needs to get rid of Don Callis. Every wrestler doesn't need a mentor, look at Mox. Doing just fine without Cactus Jack in his corner lol.

[Donald]

If Don Callis brings in the Truth Commission, I will be All Elite.

[Nash Diesel]

If he brings in the ICP I'm all elite

[MTR]

I don't mind the rapping thing with the Acclaim but the insults are so childish and what not. Just kind of puts me off on them despite the fact they are talented wrestlers. Like find better insults. Maybe just me.

Orange Cassidy still remains one of my favorites on this roster even when he is not wrestling. :lol:

I am have been loving AEW so much more than Raw and Smackdown lately. Not that I am not enjoying those two shows but Dynamite has just been better in my view.

So like when is Darby going to like defend the TNT title. He has wrestled what one time since winning it? I get the whole character thing and hanging in the rafters but he is not Sting. Talented wrestler who I want to see in the ring and see the TNT title defended.

Nice to see Serena Deeb getting to show her talent on tv as well.

Love MJF. Interested to see what they do with him as they go,

Just some random thoughts as I catch up on Dynamite that I didn't finish watching last night while eating lunch. Need to catch up on Dark as well.

[Sasori]

I don't mind the rapping thing with the Acclaim but the insults are so childish and what not. Just kind of puts me off on them despite the fact they are talented wrestlers. Like find better insults. Maybe just me.

So like when is Darby going to like defend the TNT title. He has wrestled what one time since winning it? I get the whole character thing and hanging in the rafters but he is not Sting. Talented wrestler who I want to see in the ring and see the TNT title defended.

The kind of insults the Acclaim do are just lazy. They need to research their opponents more and get creative.

I thought the TNT title would be defended regularly on TV, but I guess that was just with Cody. Darby has a match coming up against Cage, so that should be at one of the Holiday Bash shows.

[JuveLeo]

The Acclaim seem like an 03 John Cena knock off to be honest. All they need is the retro jerseys to fully complete the gimmick. Pretty good in ring though

[Nash Diesel]

I'm sick and tired of these wrestlers and their dumbass nicknames they give themselves on twitter. "The 5 Tool Player" What in the fuck is that? Homeboy looking like Rousemar Palhares from the UFC.

[Donald]

Looks like AEW dropped significantly in the ratings, while NXT improved slightly. Just wish both companies would stop relying on nostalgia acts and gimmick episodes to pop a rating. Make some long term interesting storylines.

[Sasori]

AEW is booking long term storylines. Omega's industry shaking title reign and the Inner Circle tension are the major ones. To a lesser degree they've got Death Triangle vs. the Family, Best Friends vs. Miro & Sabian, and the Dark Order recruiting Hangman. Your mileage will vary depending on how you feel about the people involved, but these storylines have been playing out for months.

Sting was on TV for about 30 sec. last week so they're not relying on him all that much.

[Morrison]

AEW is booking long term storylines. Omega's industry shaking title reign and the Inner Circle tension are the major ones. To a lesser degree they've got Death Triangle vs. the Family, Best Friends vs. Miro & Sabian, and the Dark Order recruiting Hangman. Your mileage will vary depending on how you feel about the people involved, but these storylines have been playing out for months.

Sting was on TV for about 30 sec. last week so they're not relying on him all that much.

there was also the whole storyline with kenny, hangman and the bucks that took up the majority of this year, and is in itself part of a larger story that is building up adam page that is encompassing YEARS of history from all the central figures.

[Sasori]

there was also the whole storyline with kenny, hangman and the bucks that took up the majority of this year, and is in itself part of a larger story that is building up adam page that is encompassing YEARS of history from all the central figures.

Yeah, that was a glaring omission on my part. I was trying to list more recent storylines, but AEW has been doing long term booking from the beginning.

[Chris Scott]

Very good show from Wednesday, all be it a lot of tag matches. Liking the younger tag team dudes and heel Kenny is looking good so far, hopefully it’s a very long title reign.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

taz said rafters

i'm shook to the core

I can hear Schiavone now:

"IT'S .....DARBY!!!"

:barf:

[JuveLeo]

I'm sick and tired of these wrestlers and their dumbass nicknames they give themselves on twitter. "The 5 Tool Player" What in the fuck is that? Homeboy looking like Rousemar Palhares from the UFC.

Hahaha, he actually does. That's great!
His finisher should be a rear naked choke where he doesn't let go even after his opponent taps.

[Nash Diesel]

Hahaha, he actually does. That's great!
His finisher should be a rear naked choke where he doesn't let go even after his opponent taps.

lol. Then all his wins keep getting overturned and/or he just keeps getting fined. He could have the most wins overturned to losses in wrestling history.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW is booking long term storylines. Omega's industry shaking title reign and the Inner Circle tension are the major ones. To a lesser degree they've got Death Triangle vs. the Family, Best Friends vs. Miro & Sabian, and the Dark Order recruiting Hangman. Your mileage will vary depending on how you feel about the people involved, but these storylines have been playing out for months.

Sting was on TV for about 30 sec. last week so they're not relying on him all that much.


there was also the whole storyline with kenny, hangman and the bucks that took up the majority of this year, and is in itself part of a larger story that is building up adam page that is encompassing YEARS of history from all the central figures.


Yeah, that was a glaring omission on my part. I was trying to list more recent storylines, but AEW has been doing long term booking from the beginning.

Key word that was left out: INTERESTING. Just because you have this long story going doesn't mean it's good.

And it 100% depends on how you feel about those involved and the direction. For example, I think anything involving the Young Bucks and Adam Page has been terrible. I mean, I'm not a fan of Adam Page but what the fuck? What is this Dark Order bullshit? So again, it's not about having a long storyline but an interesting long-term storyline. I don't expect Tony Khan to know shit and obviously he doesn't utilize the veterans and legends his dad spent millions to have play EWR every Wednesday on TNT.

[JuveLeo]

Is Dynamite delayed tonight because of the NBA?

[Sasori]

Yeppers.

[Sasori]

Merry Christmas from the Dark Order!

https://preview.redd.it/g2q2uav369761.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&74c562cbhttps://preview.redd.it/g2q2uav369761.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&74c562cbhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqGC2ClXcAA_bCn.jpg

[Defrost]

Brodie Lee died

https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1343006487988342786

[Sasori]

I don't know what to say. I'm stunned...

[Rancid_Planet]

Oh wow.

[Chris Scott]

Still can’t get my head around this.

What a guy he was the amount of praise he’s getting says it all.

[Bert]

https://i.imgur.com/mMIEtxF.jpg

Great move by Tony Khan.

[Nash Diesel]

https://i.imgur.com/mMIEtxF.jpg

Great move by Tony Khan.

Yeah when a name like this passes it's nice when the company they work for does a tribute show of some kind. Kind of like when Eddie passed and Vince had both Raw and Smackdown as tribute shows. That Rey v. Shawn match for example.

This is surreal. Very sad.

[JuveLeo]

It's nice to see Tony Khan changing the show to honor Brodie. Still can't believe this happened. It'll be a very emotional episode Wednesday

[Donald]

You'd never catch me watching an AEW show otherwise, but I will be tuning in to watch this on Wednesday.

[Sasori]

In case anyone is wondering, John' son, actually named Brodie, was added as a member of Dark Order recently as -1. He could be seen on AEW Dark outside the ring during Dark Order matches wearing their trademark mask and holding a kendo stick. He was referred to as their enforcer.

This is a fantastic picture. I'm not 100% sure which one is Brodie.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article23225319.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_WWE-Brodie-Lee-or-Luke-Harper.jpg

[Jordo]

In case anyone is wondering, John' son, actually named Brodie, was added as a member of Dark Order recently as -1. He could be seen on AEW Dark outside the ring during Dark Order matches wearing their trademark mask and holding a kendo stick. He was referred to as their enforcer.

This is a fantastic picture. I'm not 100% sure which one is Brodie.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article23225319.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_WWE-Brodie-Lee-or-Luke-Harper.jpg

Pretty sure he's the older one.

[mth]

He also "won" the AEW Championship off Kenny Omega post-Dynamite...
https://www.gerweck.net/2020/12/27/brodie-lees-8-year-old-son-wins-aew-world-title-after-dynamite-in-touching-segment/

[Chris Scott]

https://i.imgur.com/mMIEtxF.jpg

Great move by Tony Khan.

Brilliant by TK