All Elite Wrestling

[Spudz Mackenzie]

It wasn't really Miro's fault. Janela was definitely the worst last night. Botched 3 or 4 times.

Joey Nutella might be the worst full time wrestler on any "major" wrestling show on TV right now.

[Donald]

Joey Nutella might be the worst full time wrestler on any "major" wrestling show on TV right now.

Somewhere Nia Jax is breathing a sigh of relief.

[Donald]

How Iong until Lana come in and join the gamer Miro as Lana Croft?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

How Iong until Lana come in and join the gamer Miro as Lana Croft?

As long as she dresses in the old-school Lara Croft outfit and never wrestles, not soon enough.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Somewhere Nia Jax is breathing a sigh of relief.

I guess the question bears asking -- What's worse, constantly and repeatedly hurting other people or constantly doing stupid shit clearly far, far beyond your skill level while barely managing to not hurt others and yourself?

[JuveLeo]

How Iong until Lana come in and join the gamer Miro as Lana Croft?
I really wish she never joins AEW, but it will undoubtedly happen eventually.

[Nash Diesel]

I guess the question bears asking -- What's worse, constantly and repeatedly hurting other people or constantly doing stupid shit clearly far, far beyond your skill level while barely managing to not hurt others and yourself?

What's worse, being almost 40 and still being worked or being almost 40 and still being worked?

You probably think Undertaker was really buried alive.

[Bert]

Nia is a worked shoot. They made her hurting people into part of her character.

[BGMaverick]

Nia is a worked shoot. They made her hurting people into part of her character.

I'm pretty sure that was the case for Becky, but she was hurting people before that...and after.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm pretty sure that was the case for Becky, but she was hurting people before that...and after.

No more or less than pretty much any other wrestler. Not to mention I don't think we ever heard anyone in the WWE including the people she supposedly hurt saying they were legit injuries.

That's a major problem with people when it's a talent they don't like, or even worse, they like the gossip. So they just assume, well of course Nia hurts people look at her! All these dirt turds take their cue from Meltzer and spit it as fact because once upon a time she broke Becky Lynch's nose and made her a star.

My bad Seth Rollins couldn't do the same.

[Bert]

No more or less than pretty much any other wrestler. Not to mention I don't think we ever heard anyone in the WWE including the people she supposedly hurt saying they were legit injuries.

That's a major problem with people when it's a talent they don't like, or even worse, they like the gossip. So they just assume, well of course Nia hurts people look at her! All these dirt turds take their cue from Meltzer and spit it as fact because once upon a time she broke Becky Lynch's nose and made her a star.

My bad Seth Rollins couldn't do the same.


https://youtu.be/UzSPoCv4TqE

Not included: Kairi Sane.

[Donald]

Nia hurt my feelings once too.

[Nash Diesel]

https://youtu.be/UzSPoCv4TqE

Not included: Kairi Sane.

So who in the WWE is on this video verifying Nia Jax actually hurt talent?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

What's worse, being almost 40 and still being worked or being almost 40 and still being worked?

You probably think Undertaker was really buried alive.

Nia hurt Kairi Sane with fairly basic stuff, like two weeks in a row. And then once before that. She almost dropped Charlotte on her head, going for a shoulder-breaker. She potatoed Becky Lynch so hard it looked like her nose exploded.

Nia is bad. Very bad.

Joey Janela constantly fucks stuff up. Even in that tag-team match with Miro on Wednesday, he was completely out of position to catch Kip Sabian on that dive, he fucked up his part of a crossbody spot, to the point where Miro yelled at him.

And did you forget about how Nutella almost hurt Marko Stunt doing something stupid? Or when he tried some overly-complicated spot where he walked across his opponent's backs in a tag-team match and he just fell off on his ass?

Yeah.

I'm not "being worked".

Nia Jax and Joey Nutella are two of the worst wrestlers in a "major" promotion right now.

[Nash Diesel]

Nia hurt Kairi Sane with fairly basic stuff, like two weeks in a row. And then once before that. She almost dropped Charlotte on her head, going for a shoulder-breaker. She potatoed Becky Lynch so hard it looked like her nose exploded.

Nia is bad. Very bad.

Joey Janela constantly fucks stuff up. Even in that tag-team match with Miro on Wednesday, he was completely out of position to catch Kip Sabian on that dive, he fucked up his part of a crossbody spot, to the point where Miro yelled at him.

And did you forget about how Nutella almost hurt Marko Stunt doing something stupid? Or when he tried some overly-complicated spot where he walked across his opponent's backs in a tag-team match and he just fell off on his ass?

Yeah.

I'm not "being worked".

Nia Jax and Joey Nutella are two of the worst wrestlers in a "major" promotion right now.

Did Kairi or anyone from the WWE ever confirm Nia Jax hurt her? Nope. Again, you're getting worked brother.

It's wrestling. You cats out there that pick and choose who you want to claim is unsafe need to check your ID, see that you're about 40, and this shit is not for the weak. It might LOOK like Nia blasted Sane or fucked up Vega, but that's the point. Please don't watch any Japanese wrestling, I can only imagine how realistic you think that is.

Dude I'm not even speaking on Joey Janella. I have seen more stunts with him and Super Humman on Instagram than matches and to say this guy is somehow one of the absolute worst in the world among major promotions is probably not correct considering the amount of shitty wrestlers in just WWE there is lol.

You're being worked. Everything you and others say is regurgitated dirt sheet talk and/or thinking you're smart. Yeah, Nia broke Becky's nose and made Becky a mega star. Too bad when Rollins did it to Cena, that dude was already the man. I mean, I think Austin owes a lot of his success to Owen botching that inverted tombstone. Glass half full dude.

[Chris Scott]

Jericho & MJF...just quality. Loved it.

Wondering where they are going with it?

[Donald]

Man, Jim Cornette buries Miro and Brodie Lee a lot. Are they that bad in AEW? He buries others too, like Kenny Omega, Bucks, and Orange Cassidy, but I'm not as familiar with them.


Miro, I believe, has only ever wrestled for WWE right? Maybe that's a cause of issue, he doesn't know any other way.

[Nash Diesel]

Man, Jim Cornette buries Miro and Brodie Lee a lot. Are they that bad in AEW? He buries others too, like Kenny Omega, Bucks, and Orange Cassidy, but I'm not as familiar with them.


Miro, I believe, has only ever wrestled for WWE right? Maybe that's a cause of issue, he doesn't know any other way.

Pretty much Miro's been strictly WWE. He worked for a few small promotions for about a year before signing with the WWE in 2010.

With Cornette A-he probably wasn't a big fan of Rusev in WWE and B-he's shitting on the tag match from last week which did fucking suck. I don't think he shit on Miro too much, it was mostly Joey Janella and Sonny Kiss that he shit on.

Brodie Lee....Again he probably wasn't a fan of what he saw in WWE-if he saw anything. Or he just doesn't think he's very good. I agree with some of the stuff people do say about how these big dudes in AEW wrestling like Kenny Omega flying around and shit just makes no sense or having competitive matches with talent half their size.....

[Sasori]

I'm curious where this "who attacked Matt Hardy" angle will go. Is there going to be a big reveal, or will it turn out to be Jericho in the end? Or will the drop it immediately? Hmm...

[Donald]

Knowing Matt, it's going to Maxell, Wolfgang, and Senior Benjamin who attacked him, thus setting up a 1 on 3 match at the next PPV. The match will take place entirely in a row boat.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm curious where this "who attacked Matt Hardy" angle will go. Is there going to be a big reveal, or will it turn out to be Jericho in the end? Or will the drop it immediately? Hmm...

Shit I didn't even know there was a question as to who it was I thought that was the "joke". That Jericho did it but he's playing dumb. Jericho and Hardy should do a program together. They've never worked a program together ever even after being in the same company pretty much 20+ years.

[Chris Scott]

I'm curious where this "who attacked Matt Hardy" angle will go. Is there going to be a big reveal, or will it turn out to be Jericho in the end? Or will the drop it immediately? Hmm...

Yeah me too, I mean they’ve do the Hardy/Jericho/ Inner circle stuff already. Maybe it was MJF?

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah me too, I mean they’ve do the Hardy/Jericho/ Inner circle stuff already. Maybe it was MJF?

Yet they interrupted a Matt Hardy segment last week.....Are we all watching the same show?

Matt feuded with the lackey and now he's about to feud with the leader. Again, are we all watching the same show?

[Donald]

I'm not. I watch the Masked Singer on Wednesdays now.

[Chris Scott]

Yet they interrupted a Matt Hardy segment last week.....Are we all watching the same show?

Matt feuded with the lackey and now he's about to feud with the leader. Again, are we all watching the same show?

He’s already feuded with Jericho though?

Yes I am watching the same show

[Tainted Eclipse]

i've got a HOT TAKE. darby allin is the best wrestler in the world.

[JuveLeo]

Good opening match so far. Both these kids can go and deliver.

[JuveLeo]

Not really a fan of this Miro crap. Could have easily brought him in as a tough, bad ass type, but he looks like a big softie.

[Bert]

Griselda's favorite wrestler. :lol: I love Eddie Kingston.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Fell asleep after dinner, only caught the last hour of the show.

Not great.

-- I hate that they're wasting FTR in a feud with The Best Jackasses. Trent and Chuck should be a team that puts new guys over. The absolute bottom rung of the tag-team ladder. Jobbers to the stars. The best and brightest of the bottom of the barrel. Instead, they're getting a featured spot in a feud with one of the best in-ring teams in wrestling. FTR's going to drag these two idiots kicking and screaming into a passable match, that doesn't involve boards, pipes, chains, and crashing through car windshields -- but FTR should be doing so much more with a better team.

I know they're probably stuck in Japan because of Covid, but FTR vs. The Strong Hearts would be a fantastic TV feud.

-- Orange Cassidy vs. Dark Order 10 was... who cares? Not awful, not great. Perfectly good for an Orange Cassidy match. I guess we just have to accept it, AEW thinks Orange Cassidy is legitimately "elevated" now. He's still a sucky wrestler. Jim Cornette was absolutely right, Orange Cassidy hits the ropes in a profoundly strange way, compared to every other wrestler in the company. I don't know about you, but whatever that reverse piledriver thing was, I wouldn't want Orange Cassidy putting that on me.

-- Britt Baker is great. I love everything about her until that damn bell has to ring. She still needs work bell-to-bell. I feel like Red Velvet was supposed to take that curb stomp thing Britt was trying for to the mouth, since that's all about Britt's gimmick. But she didn't clue into it and just whiplashed herself twice.

-- Jon Moxley vs. The Butcher wasn't bad. But man, you could tell 'ol Every Time I Die gassed out quick. He was moving with all the urgency of a guy going to the electric chair. And when he couldn't get that stretch muffler on and just had to drop it, that killed it for me. The Butcher is a decent big man heater for his tag-team. But its obvious, of the two, Blade is the worker. This one was a slow one. And who the Hell thought the key to this match was to have Butcher, not known for his technical submission prowess, work Mox's leg over? This should have been a violent, smash mouth brawl, not Butcher playing amateur Ric Flair.

Eh. Either way, Mox wins and that's fine. Looking forward to Mox/Archer. I never saw their Japan match, but I heard it's good stuff.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Oh, and I can't comment on it too much, because I was still in a sleepy haze when it happened, but who in their right mind ever thought they'd see Billy F'n Mitchell on a wrestling show?

He's a Z-list "celebrity", who's more famous for cheating and suing anyone who looks at him cross eyed than anything, but he's exactly the kind of guy I'd expect AEW to get. Carny as fuck and somebody WWE wouldn't even "get".

He's the Eric Bischoff or Paul Heyman of the hi-score arcade championship world. An absolutely fascinating character. And he's a legitimate hot sauce millionaire. I hope he gets added to the crew with Miro, Sabian, and Ford. He'd make a great scuzzball manager.

[Nash Diesel]

He’s already feuded with Jericho though?

Yes I am watching the same show

They never had a singles match. All that they had was that giant multi-man stadium match. Then Matt had a couple matches with Sammy then got hurt. If you watched last week then how can you think that Matt is some other possible feud?

Jericho and Swagger were backstage when Matt was attacked. Then Jericho and Swagger face off against Private Party, who are "managed" by Matt. Then The Inner Circle interrupts a segment with Matt Hardy and Private Party.

[Bert]

I hope this Inner Circle stuff leads to MJF leading them and Jericho turning face. Nation of Domination style.

[Nash Diesel]

I hope they disband. The group is odd and makes zero sense. The NWO B-Team lead by Stevie Ray was more imposing.

[Matthew]

slapjack

[Chris Scott]

I hope they disband. The group is odd and makes zero sense. The NWO B-Team lead by Stevie Ray was more imposing.

Odd and zero sense lol in what way like?

[Chris Scott]

Another very good week. Good matches with plenty of time, good Cody/Lee stuff to build for next week.

This MJF/Jericho stuff is very very good, coming along nicely.

[Nash Diesel]

Odd and zero sense lol in what way like?

They don't gel. LAX trying to do comedy is ridiculous. Swagger just seems to be there because he's tall. I do enjoy Jericho and Sammy but they don't need the other 3 to make it work. I get that stables 9/10 times don't form via some 7 part Marvel movie plan but this was odd when it was formed and now that they've been going for about a year it doesn't really make any sense as to why they're a stable. Jericho could've surrounded himself with someone better than Swagger for one.

[Donald]

Remember when Jack Swagger was the big bad surprise debut on the debut episode :lol:

[Morrison]

Remember when Jack Swagger was the big bad surprise debut on the debut episode :lol:

yaaaaaawwwnnn.

[Nash Diesel]

Remember when Jack Swagger was the big bad surprise debut on the debut episode :lol:


yaaaaaawwwnnn.

Finally you two agree on something.

[Bert]

I like the Inner Circle but it would have been cool if it was the Good Brothers with Jericho, Sammy and Hager. Santana and Ortiz could have been with Eddie Kingston.

[Donald]

Finally you two agree on something.

Anything is possible.

[Nash Diesel]

I like the Inner Circle but it would have been cool if it was the Good Brothers with Jericho, Sammy and Hager. Santana and Ortiz could have been with Eddie Kingston.

If they knew Eddie was going to be in AEW last year I would agree. Weren't they all together in TNA?

Jericho running a stable is pretty interesting considering he's never been part of one in the past.

[BGMaverick]

Seems like Dynamite has been hit or miss lately with their opening matches but Starks/Allin was a good one. It comes across to me that Allin is showing some more diversity in terms of how he'll work. He'll be aerial, he'll sacrifice his body, but he'll hit you with some solid technical or submission work. A well-rounded Allin is something I can get behind. Starks kind of got shown up over the course of the match, which was moderately surprising.

Cody's promo didn't do a whole lot for me in the early portion but it was better in the finishing section. The chaos at the end, while borderline excessive, made sense for all of the moving parts supporting both sides.

Really entertaining tag title match. Thought they did a nice job to create some moments where SCU looked like they could have gotten the win. FTR was great at playing their role. Blanchard tipping the scales in their favor, with FTR's penchant for bending the rules, will eventually make it that more gratifying when a team takes them down.

It always makes me chuckle when people hit Codebreakers better than Jericho so it was pretty funny to me that Kassidy hit an extra proper one on Jericho. Certainly seems blatant now that Jericho is in the business of building others up, now that the title is not in his sights. That's fine with me. The continued banter between Jericho and MJF was once again entertaining.

Seems like the ring rust wasn't present for Britt, which is great.

Meh main event. Not Moxley's fault. Butcher seemed incredibly limited.

[Sasori]

I hope they disband. The group is odd and makes zero sense. The NWO B-Team lead by Stevie Ray was more imposing.

The Inner Circle is fine with Jericho, Sammy, and Hager. Santana and Ortiz should go out on their own.

[Nash Diesel]

The Inner Circle is fine with Jericho, Sammy, and Hager. Santana and Ortiz should go out on their own.

I get why they have Hager but they could find someone better, younger, someone with an actual upside and who gives a shit about how they look.

Hager looks like he just signs his checks over to his wife lol. "Fuck gear, fuck a haircut, fuck the gym, here you go wife!" Idk, I just always thought he was a guy in the wrong sport. He should've went to the UFC.

[Bert]

Well he is still undefeated in Bellator.

[Nash Diesel]

Well he is still undefeated in Bellator.

Sweet. He still should've went to the UFC. I don't know if Bellator was around when he started training in OVW.

[JuveLeo]

Sweet. He still should've went to the UFC. I don't know if Bellator was around when he started training in OVW.
I don't think he's good enough for the UFC lol. Pretty sure he's 2-0 in Bellator and he beat two cans. Nothing spectacular

[Nash Diesel]

I don't think he's good enough for the UFC lol. Pretty sure he's 2-0 in Bellator and he beat two cans. Nothing spectacular

No no I mean years ago out of college. Instead of WWE he should've gone into MMA. I think he would've been pretty fucking good. A guy with that wrestling background, the reach, the size, he would've been champion.

[JuveLeo]

No no I mean years ago out of college. Instead of WWE he should've gone into MMA. I think he would've been pretty fucking good. A guy with that wrestling background, the reach, the size, he would've been champion.

Ohhh. Well in that case he probably could have done well. The sky is the limit when your 22ish with a strong wrestling background. If he learned some BJJ and striking to compliment his wresting, he definitely could have been a top guy. Brock had a great stint in the UFC and he was basically just a wrestler lol. So yeah, i agree.

[Nash Diesel]

Seems like Dynamite has been hit or miss lately with their opening matches but Starks/Allin was a good one. It comes across to me that Allin is showing some more diversity in terms of how he'll work. He'll be aerial, he'll sacrifice his body, but he'll hit you with some solid technical or submission work. A well-rounded Allin is something I can get behind. Starks kind of got shown up over the course of the match, which was moderately surprising.

Cody's promo didn't do a whole lot for me in the early portion but it was better in the finishing section. The chaos at the end, while borderline excessive, made sense for all of the moving parts supporting both sides.

Really entertaining tag title match. Thought they did a nice job to create some moments where SCU looked like they could have gotten the win. FTR was great at playing their role. Blanchard tipping the scales in their favor, with FTR's penchant for bending the rules, will eventually make it that more gratifying when a team takes them down.

It always makes me chuckle when people hit Codebreakers better than Jericho so it was pretty funny to me that Kassidy hit an extra proper one on Jericho. Certainly seems blatant now that Jericho is in the business of building others up, now that the title is not in his sights. That's fine with me. The continued banter between Jericho and MJF was once again entertaining.

Seems like the ring rust wasn't present for Britt, which is great.

Meh main event. Not Moxley's fault. Butcher seemed incredibly limited.

That's what made him who he is. Blessing and a curse. You lose all the time nobody buys you as a credible opponent. I mean, in the world of AEW, Jericho putting people over feels like when Terry Funk would do the job to people in ECW. It's almost exactly like Terry Funk, a guy who doesn't suck but is too old and had too many losses putting over everyone that you beat him and it was like, eh, it's a nice name to have.

I do like his back and forth with MJF but that's going to be something we see down the road. Neither guy should be a babyface, they'll fucking ruin them both turning them, especially MJF. Maybe after Jericho v. Matt Hardy is over.

[Matthew]

i see the mjf/jericho stuff as a way to turn sammy g

[Nash Diesel]

That'd be interesting. I could see that going a few different ways. I would be curious to see if Sammy could pull off being a solid babyface if that was an option. Again, I could see 3-4 different route that could play out well.

[Matthew]

him and and santana are the only ones in the group who would be a good turn, in my eyes

[Nash Diesel]

I loved that little vignette or whatever you want to call it that they did for Santana leading up to the eyeball match against Moxley.

[Chris Scott]

i see the mjf/jericho stuff as a way to turn sammy g

See a few people mention this now, interesting like.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Tonight on AEW Dynamite...

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-- Chris Jericho celebrates 30 years in wrestling!

Also...

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-- Chris Jericho and Jake Hager take on Chaos Project -- Luther and Serpentico -- In a match "30 Years In The Making"!

[Spudz Mackenzie]

If a match involving a fat Uncle Fester fuck and a shitty luchador is "30 years in the making", I think we could afford to wait another 30 years.

- - - Updated - - -

If Serena Deeb can't get a decent match out of Big Swole, Big Swole is officially a lost cause.

[JuveLeo]

What's the point of having Ricky Starks on commentary if he isn't going to talk? Lol. Let the kid talk trash

[Spudz Mackenzie]

A "3 match winning streak"?

Wow... 3 whole matches? On a show nobody watches.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

"Alacrity" is like The Masked Jackass' go-to word. I'd never heard that word before he started doing commentary for AEW.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Thoughts during the split-screen commercial viewing -- Does anyone else buy into the fan theory that Casper, The Friendly Ghost is just the ghost of Ritchie Rich?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Hey Jack, what the fuck was that?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Great match, but FTR gave those two way too much. The Hybrid 2 are a jobber team and Jack Evans, of all people, shouldn't have been thwarting both the champions at once.

... Oh God... not these two idiots.

Fuck off with this "weenie" shit.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I'm a little surprised they didn't hold off on this match until the big show next week.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Good stuff. Very, very good stuff.

Brodie Lee just had his first great AEW match.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

From the Penthouse to the outhouse.

:nono:

[Spudz Mackenzie]

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Just me?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Kevin Smith seems a little too interested in Chris Jericho in tiny shorts.

Oh shit, Ultimo Dragon. Nice.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Jesus Christ, Uncle Fester just looked like a bowling ball falling down a flight of stairs.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I don't know how much its really saying, but that might have been the best match of Luther's career.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Literally Everything: Chris Jericho.

... well at least we know who to blame for all that.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I didn't really think about it since I forgot it was even on, but Uncle Fester and Zen The Intergalactic Ninja just had to main event the show tonight opposite the first hour of The VP Debate.

On one show, we get to see an old maniac who could double as a serial killer in a horror flick and on the other channel we get to see Luther.

:cheers:

[BGMaverick]

Opener was fine but it felt like it was lacking a lot in terms of substance or something other than going spot to spot to spot until it was time to go home.

Harold Meij was out for NJPW and we got Tanahashi and a Wrestle Kingdom reference. At least Archer was talking for himself in the build with Moxley. Roberts was probably good for an entry point for Archer but I don't think that duo needs to stay together. Moxley was good with his promo. I do like the off-site setups AEW has for their promos. They can be kind of hokey but they're more prone to help accentuate the tone of the character.

FTR has been able to work with different types of teams in AEW but this match, for some reason felt like a bridge too far in terms of contrasting styles.

TNT title match was very compelling. It was a grueling brawl. Having a cool table spot during PiP probably is less than ideal. I liked how the two parties came out after the match, kind of in awe of what they saw but not mixing it up more than they had to. Cody had a great promo after the fact. He's usually really great when he speaks from the heart and the emotion is cranked up. Should be a good match next week.

Women's match...ugh.

Could not care less about the main event. It's tired routine Jericho has done with the bit of teasing a blowup with someone only to be a ruse...but it's still entertaining lol.

[Donald]

I'm enjoying seeing all these celebrity shout outs to Jericho.

[Donald]

Not.

[JuveLeo]

I think some of them were reading off a screen lol. The guy from Metallica definitely was.

[Donald]

At least the former wrestlers seemed legit about it.

[Nash Diesel]

Props to AEW for giving Luke Harper a reign 1 week longer than he had with the IC title back in WWE. Really showing that prick Vince how it's done.

FTR, imo, will go down as one of the best tag-teams of all time. Especially the last decade and the next decade to come. This match was not the greatest but I could watch them against anyone. I literally just watched Billy and Chuck v. Mark Henry and Randy Orton on Velocity for the tag belts, we've seen worse lol.

[Donald]

Props to AEW for giving Luke Harper a reign 1 week longer than he had with the IC title back in WWE. Really showing that prick Vince how it's done.

FTR, imo, will go down as one of the best tag-teams of all time. Especially the last decade and the next decade to come. This match was not the greatest but I could watch them against anyone. I literally just watched Billy and Chuck v. Mark Henry and Randy Orton on Velocity for the tag belts, we've seen worse lol.

This post, about luke Harper and the sarcasm about FTR being one of the best tag teams Of all time is fucking brilliant.

[Nash Diesel]

This post, about luke Harper and the sarcasm about FTR being one of the best tag teams Of all time is fucking brilliant.

Hey, the FTR part was actually the my honest opinion but I can see how it would come across as sarcasm. Luke Harper on the other hand....Yeah. I guess it's like saying WCW is better than WWE because they gave Lance Storm 3 championships at once and WWE only gave him more exposure, better opponents, and more important title reigns but hey you know fuck Vince.

[JuveLeo]

Wasn't too big on Brodie dropping that quick. They should have waited at least another month and then have the match on PPV or something.

[Nash Diesel]

Wasn't too big on Brodie dropping that quick. They should have waited at least another month and then have the match on PPV or something.

Dusty Rhodes rolled in his grave when Cody told Brodie thanks for holding the title for me while I film this show............Do they just not give a fuck?

[Donald]

Should have had Brodie with a lengthy run. Week after week of decisive wins against opponents. Then have him drop it in a triple threat match, maybe with Cody and Orange Cassidy. Have Cody pin Orange Cassidy, and Brodie says he was never pinned he should still be champion. And then Cody puts it on the line against him, and beats him. But for Cody to just come back a month later and win, not a fan of that. I think a returning Cody, who says maybe I'm not good enough to be here would have been a good return. He could start small, maybe beat jobbers like Colt Cabana, Tye Dillinger, and even revisit a Goldust feud. Winning these matches gives him his confidence back, and then you can have him fight someone bigger like Jericho or Brian Cage a month before he faces Brodie Lee in that tripel threat.

[Nash Diesel]

Should have had Brodie with a lengthy run. Week after week of decisive wins against opponents. Then have him drop it in a triple threat match, maybe with Cody and Orange Cassidy. Have Cody pin Orange Cassidy, and Brodie says he was never pinned he should still be champion. And then Cody puts it on the line against him, and beats him. But for Cody to just come back a month later and win, not a fan of that. I think a returning Cody, who says maybe I'm not good enough to be here would have been a good return. He could start small, maybe beat jobbers like Colt Cabana, Tye Dillinger, and even revisit a Goldust feud. Winning these matches gives him his confidence back, and then you can have him fight someone bigger like Jericho or Brian Cage a month before he faces Brodie Lee in that tripel threat.

The only thing I honestly do not like about Cody is the guy is such a mark for himself. He reminds me more of Jeff Jarrett than his idol Triple H. Cody wasn't a top guy in WWE so he went to places where he could be a top guy due to the lack of name value and audience. Now he started his own company because he was never going to be a top guy in the big 2 (WWE and NJPW).

And who told his wife we needed an action figure of her?

[JuveLeo]

Dusty Rhodes rolled in his grave when Cody told Brodie thanks for holding the title for me while I film this show............Do they just not give a fuck?
They've definitely made some suspect decisions. This one really made no sense.

[Tainted Eclipse]

without AEW i'd be really down on wrestling right now. WWE is unwatchable, NXT is totally uninteresting to me too, NJPW is really rough without a crowd and even with a crowd im not a fan of the direction the product is going in recently. but for all the imperfections of AEW i've enjoyed literally every episode of dynamite each week.

[spinner72]

This would have worked. *IF* Brodie's performances hadn't gone to prove that, as so many say over the decades, that Vince was right. We've seen Brodie Lee against some of the very best recently, not that we didn't before, and lets face it, he's just not very good! Sure, the dude can talk, but he can't emote, and he is dead weight in the ring.

I believe that was his shot, and he blew it bigtime. They did the right thing. Cody is very versatile, and the TNT title is the one that matters more than ever right now with live shows out of the equation. So get it back to the guy who can really go and make it look good.

[Sasori]

I never expected Brodie's run in AEW to be so polarizing.

[Chris Scott]

The only thing I honestly do not like about Cody is the guy is such a mark for himself. He reminds me more of Jeff Jarrett than his idol Triple H. Cody wasn't a top guy in WWE so he went to places where he could be a top guy due to the lack of name value and audience. Now he started his own company because he was never going to be a top guy in the big 2 (WWE and NJPW).

And who told his wife we needed an action figure of her?

Lets be honest here Triple H was only the top guy because of who he married and who her dad is.

Cody is a damn fine wrestler, good on the mic, is a leader and easily the face of the franchise.

Oh and he’s still not made himself AEW heavyweight champion yet

[Chris Scott]

Brodie is not that good in the ring yet, glad Cody won it back.

[Murphy]

I enjoy Brodie, but physically, I feel he's way past his best now.

And in the UK, we don't get pip, so we just got a replay of the table spot. What a waste.

[Peter Griffin]

I gave up with itv and use fite app now. And I do get p in p :D

[Nash Diesel]

Lets be honest here Triple H was only the top guy because of who he married and who her dad is.

Cody is a damn fine wrestler, good on the mic, is a leader and easily the face of the franchise.

Oh and he’s still not made himself AEW heavyweight champion yet

That's not true at all about Triple H. He was well on his way to being a top tier main event before he was with Stephanie. If people want to act like this guy didn't climb from the bottom to the top, be the scapegoat for the Klik where he lost a year of his push to Stone Cold back in 1996, then at the very least be realistic. If anything it was his relationship with the Klik which lead to him having a great relationship with Vince, well before he started dating Stephanie.

He didn't leave and go start a company with some other dude's money and make himself a top guy like Cody did. Yeah, he's smart by not making himself WORLD champion. But he did build an entire tournament around him winning their other title that gets defended every single week.

I'm not taking anything away from Cody's skillset. I'm just not a fan of how he and others (like you) pretend like this guy isn't a mark for himself. If he's the face of the franchise it isn't because he's the most popular guy there.

[Donald]

It will be interesting to see how Cody will be able to challenge for the World Title, considering the stipulation when he last lost it. I think Cody vs. Moxley could be a really awesome feud.

[Nash Diesel]

It will be interesting to see how Cody will be able to challenge for the World Title, considering the stipulation when he last lost it. I think Cody vs. Moxley could be a really awesome feud.

Well, if AEW are as smart as they think they are it'll be simple. Turn Cody heel, and have him acknowledge the reality that he's one of the main people who make all the decisions. He comes out and simply says "Because I can" and we're off to the races. Or he'll win some match where his opportunity can be reinstated. I would personally go with the first one and play on people's assumptions the same way Triple H did.

[Murphy]

I gave up with itv and use fite app now. And I do get p in p :D

Seriously, if we didn't already have Sky Sports, WWE Network, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney+, I bloody would.

[Chris Scott]

That's not true at all about Triple H. He was well on his way to being a top tier main event before he was with Stephanie. If people want to act like this guy didn't climb from the bottom to the top, be the scapegoat for the Klik where he lost a year of his push to Stone Cold back in 1996, then at the very least be realistic. If anything it was his relationship with the Klik which lead to him having a great relationship with Vince, well before he started dating Stephanie.

He didn't leave and go start a company with some other dude's money and make himself a top guy like Cody did. Yeah, he's smart by not making himself WORLD champion. But he did build an entire tournament around him winning their other title that gets defended every single week.

I'm not taking anything away from Cody's skillset. I'm just not a fan of how he and others (like you) pretend like this guy isn't a mark for himself. If he's the face of the franchise it isn't because he's the most popular guy there.

Pretty sure he along with Young Bucks have put their own money into it to get it going too.

Don’t get me wrong Triple H probably still would’ve have good upper card/main event career but wouldn’t had been at the top as long as he was if he didn’t have his daddy in laws pull.

[Chris Scott]

Seriously, if we didn't already have Sky Sports, WWE Network, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney+, I bloody would.

Firestick chipped my friend

[Nash Diesel]

Pretty sure he along with Young Bucks have put their own money into it to get it going too.

Don’t get me wrong Triple H probably still would’ve have good upper card/main event career but wouldn’t had been at the top as long as he was if he didn’t have his daddy in laws pull.

I'm pretty sure that a billionaire's dad is who's money is truly in this thing. I could be wrong. At one point the Jarretts were who put their money into NWA-TNA.

Do we know for sure that Triple H wasn't going to be on top as long as he was? Again, if we're being realistic, it had more to do with his relationship with Vince during the Klik era than anything. Him marrying Stephanie felt like an arranged marriage. The guy who the king wants to hand the keys to the castle marrying his only daughter...?

Trust me guy, I used to work for a family owned business that made vending machines. I know all about the top salesman marrying one of the owner's daughters. If Triple H was some jabroni that nobody was cheering/booing, sure, you'd have a point. But he delivered more often than not. Yeah, he had like 1 year that was pretty whack where he was the top guy, but he wasn't the only one that was whack (say mid 2002-WM 19).

In terms of him as a full time wrestler trust me dude I was saying the same shit not even 10 years ago. Over time though I realized that the whole "He married Steph that's why he was on top for so long" is just nonsense. Again, the guy had to deliver if you think he didn't as a main eventer then you're delusional.

[Chris Scott]

Oh he did deliver as a main even guy through the mid 2000, but he hung on well to long after that when he seen new fresh people over more than him.

That’s when he had a chat in father in laws ear and if you think he didn’t then you’re delusional just as much as me.

[Donald]

Triple H was one of those guys who was good, but there were always people around him much, much better. HBK, Angle, Guerrero, Benoit, Snitsky, etc.

Why are we talking about Triple H in an AEW thread.

Let's talk about Luther instead.

[Nash Diesel]

Oh he did deliver as a main even guy through the mid 2000, but he hung on well to long after that when he seen new fresh people over more than him.

That’s when he had a chat in father in laws ear and if you think he didn’t then you’re delusional just as much as me.

I'm not the one pretending like I have firsthand knowledge of some mythical conversations Triple H had with Vince lol.

He was hot until he dropped the title to Hogan. One of the loudest pops in WWE history was his return from the first quad injury. Again, I was in the same boat as you when I was ignorant. I can agree about certain moments that he should have lost but I also see the flipside of why he won. Even the WM 19 win over Booker T, I understood that win because it lead to Evolution and all these other little things that Cewsh of all people broke down for me years ago.

Being honest I'm sure he had many conversations with Vince, well before he was with Stephanie. Let's not forget it was him, HBK and Vince talking about Montreal.

[Nash Diesel]

Triple H was one of those guys who was good, but there were always people around him much, much better. HBK, Angle, Guerrero, Benoit, Snitsky, etc.

Why are we talking about Triple H in an AEW thread.

Let's talk about Luther instead.

Yeah Snitsky...lol.

Luther.....................Jericho's Brutus the Barber fucking sucks.

[Chris Scott]

I'm not the one pretending like I have firsthand knowledge of some mythical conversations Triple H had with Vince lol.

He was hot until he dropped the title to Hogan. One of the loudest pops in WWE history was his return from the first quad injury. Again, I was in the same boat as you when I was ignorant. I can agree about certain moments that he should have lost but I also see the flipside of why he won. Even the WM 19 win over Booker T, I understood that win because it lead to Evolution and all these other little things that Cewsh of all people broke down for me years ago.

Being honest I'm sure he had many conversations with Vince, well before he was with Stephanie. Let's not forget it was him, HBK and Vince talking about Montreal.

You keep on mentioning the before Stephanie stuff but in my opinion he was just Shawn’s lackey sucking up to vince that way, then the whole thing was complete that he married his daughter and it all worked out just fine for him :wink:

Come on fella, plenty have wrestlers said he was a suck up to help get to where he is (fair enough if that’s what he had to do). Plenty of wrestlers who were better (Cody one of them) left because they don’t suck up.

[Chris Scott]

It will be interesting to see how Cody will be able to challenge for the World Title, considering the stipulation when he last lost it. I think Cody vs. Moxley could be a really awesome feud.

Like mentioned it’s got to be as a heel now and he says he can do what he wants etc...Unless it’s one of those situations where the heel goads and teases him saying he can’t never beat him and to put his career on the line.

[Nash Diesel]

You keep on mentioning the before Stephanie stuff but in my opinion he was just Shawn’s lackey sucking up to vince that way, then the whole thing was complete that he married his daughter and it all worked out just fine for him :wink:

Come on fella, plenty have wrestlers said he was a suck up to help get to where he is (fair enough if that’s what he had to do). Plenty of wrestlers who were better (Cody one of them) left because they don’t suck up.

What wrestlers? The ones that didn't get very far up the card so they're looking for anyone to blame? Sure I'll buy that. I'd love to know what wrestlers you are speaking on. What youtube headline reads "Midcarder owns up to the fact they weren't that good"? No it's "Headbanger Mosh says Triple H held him down!"

Come on fella, watch anything of Triple H before Stephanie and tell me that guy wasn't destined for a main event career. Again, he had to deliver. He was delivering well before he dated Stephanie. Did you forgot about DX in 1998? Or his feud with Mankind. Or his work in the IC title division with Mero, Goldust, etc?

I get it. It's cool to hold on to that outdated, ignorant mentality that Triple H married into a legacy but he was destined for that push the moment he signed. He showed he was willing to do what it takes to show the fans and the promoter that he was worthy of that top spot and he lived up to it. Nobody is going back watching Triple H v. Cactus Jack at the Rumble 2000 saying "Triple H is only great in this feud because of who he's married to!"

[Chris Scott]

He aligned himself with the Kliq and it essentially provided him the booking protection that he needed to turn himself into a mainstay. He then married the bosses’ daughter and obviously that didn’t hurt either. He wouldn’t have had the career he’s had. Few wrestlers he buried where better than him or more popular. Look at the talent Triple H pulled out his “Golden Shovel” and buried

Mick Foley (2000)
Chris Jericho (Wrestlemania)
Kurt Angle (2000)
CM Punk (2011)
Daniel Bryan (2013)
Randy Orton (2004)
Goldberg (2003)
Booker T (Wrestlemania)

[Chris Scott]

Shelton Benjamin would’ve had the long mainstay career if he did what Triple H did. Otherwise Triple H is a Shelton Benjamin

[Nash Diesel]

He aligned himself with the Kliq and it essentially provided him the booking protection that he needed to turn himself into a mainstay. He then married the bosses’ daughter and obviously that didn’t hurt either. He wouldn’t have had the career he’s had. Few wrestlers he buried where better than him or more popular. Look at the talent Triple H pulled out his “Golden Shovel” and buried

Mick Foley (2000)
Chris Jericho (Wrestlemania)
Kurt Angle (2000)
CM Punk (2011)
Daniel Bryan (2013)
Randy Orton (2004)
Goldberg (2003)
Booker T (Wrestlemania)

LMFAO. 90% of those guys are legends and the other 10% are about to be legends....


Shelton Benjamin would’ve had the long mainstay career if he did what Triple H did. Otherwise Triple H is a Shelton Benjamin

Chris...........Troll Level 100.

[Chris Scott]

Add Umaga to the bury list.

Triple H made Zack Ryder look like a total prick when he got in the ring with him and took a selfie, then proceeded to hit him with the pedigree after the WWE locker room voted no confidence in Triple H. Ryder was just starting to get over and become a hot act, as his YouTube show was picking up steam. And then Triple H lays him out in the ring, ending that push.

[Chris Scott]

LMFAO. 90% of those guys are legends and the other 10% are about to be legends....



Chris...........Troll Level 100.

Yeah my point is he needed his pull to bury them cos he’s not that super good you’re making him out to be.

[Chris Scott]

Not talking two, three even five guys. It’s like over ten guys he’s fucked over.

[Nash Diesel]

So basically if you didn't beat Triple H in a squash, he buried them?

[Peter Griffin]

Seriously, if we didn't already have Sky Sports, WWE Network, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney+, I bloody would.

If it weren't my brothers account I'd let you use my password :lol:

[Bert]

Seriously, if we didn't already have Sky Sports, WWE Network, Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney+, I bloody would.

You don't like that website I gave you? Their version is from TNT so the pip version. I used it to watch last weeks after I missed it. If the issue is watching it on your tv just buy a Chromecast. :yes:

[Donald]

If it weren't my brothers account I'd let you use my password :lol:

I thought Peter Griffin was an only child. Interesting.

[Morrison]

Shelton Benjamin would’ve had the long mainstay career if he did what Triple H did. Otherwise Triple H is a Shelton Benjamin

lol fucking what? what in the absolute hell are you going on about with this trips nonsense. he no doubt benefited from becoming a part of the mcmahon family, but the reason he had the run he had was because he's one of the only people from the attitude era who managed to stay around. rock left for hollywood, austin broke down, foley broke down. the only other one was taker, who also managed to have an insanely long and memorable career.

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah Chris that's pretty nuts for a comparison.

[Chris Scott]

lol fucking what? what in the absolute hell are you going on about with this trips nonsense. he no doubt benefited from becoming a part of the mcmahon family, but the reason he had the run he had was because he's one of the only people from the attitude era who managed to stay around. rock left for hollywood, austin broke down, foley broke down. the only other one was taker, who also managed to have an insanely long and memorable career.

Nah don’t agree the reason he’s had the overdue long run because he buried people cos he had the power too. I’m not doubting what he did as a top player through the mid 2000’s. Read my other convos ffs

[Chris Scott]

Yeah Chris that's pretty nuts for a comparison.

Yeah well we all know my love for Shelton so hopefully I hoped people would see through the sarcasm...obviously not

[Chris Scott]

So basically if you didn't beat Triple H in a squash, he buried them?

No just don’t be a dick and put people over while still staying a top guy.

[Donald]

I'm going to watch last week's Dynamite, will be my first time watching a full show.

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah well we all know my love for Shelton so hopefully I hoped people would see through the sarcasm...obviously not

I wasn't sure one way or the orher tbh :D

[Nash Diesel]

No just don’t be a dick and put people over while still staying a top guy.

He put plenty of people over. Look at his win/loss record. Look at the storylines. I know it's a tough pill to swallow that he's not as bad as everyone thinks he is. It's low hanging fruit to bash the guy and assume he's only where he is because of who he's married to. Every wrestler who says that sounds so butthurt about their own career and you also have to consider who is talking this shit. People who weren't really around him or had zero to do with booking the show.

Jim Cornette pretty much echoes everything I've said about Triple H and why he is where he is. And that guy doesn't seem to care one bit about Triple H, well before he married Stephanie.

[Donald]

Seems odd to me that Brian cage and Ricky starks back down to darby all in. Will hobbes is still recovering from the match, and cage and starks are much bigger than allin they should be able to handle him.

I would have had allin start fighting the both of them, only to lose that battle, but have hobbes help to even the score and then both of them stand tall as cage and starks scurry to the back

[Nash Diesel]

I'm not a fan of this Hobbs dude at all. He just randomly showed up one day and now he's one of Moxley's guys.

[Chris Scott]

Yeah Hobbs situation was weird how he just came in out of nowhere.

[Chris Scott]

I'm going to watch last week's Dynamite, will be my first time watching a full show.

First time actually watching Dynamite? If so last weeks isn’t a good show. Probably one of the weakest in a while. The show with the main event street fight is the one you want to watch. Quality show.

[BGMaverick]

Yeah Hobbs situation was weird how he just came in out of nowhere.

Hasn't he been a guy on Dark for a little bit? Seems like a he just moved up from Dark to Dynamite. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Chris Scott]

Yes he was on Dark, I don’t watch that so no idea how he was getting on.

[Murphy]

You don't like that website I gave you? Their version is from TNT so the pip version. I used it to watch last weeks after I missed it. If the issue is watching it on your tv just buy a Chromecast. :yes:

Oh God, I forgot all about that. :lol:

Thanks, I will try that.

[Nash Diesel]

I should watch more Dark. One time I saw they had like 7 matches.

[Donald]

I should watch more Dark. One time I saw they had like 7 matches.

If you're a tye dillinger fan then you should watch Dark

[Nash Diesel]

If you're a tye dillinger fan then you should watch Dark

lol I'm not. That guy is terrible, always has been.

I did see one early Dark episode where I THINK it was Kenny Omega v. Joey Jannella in a hardcore style match.

[Chris Scott]

If you're a tye dillinger fan then you should watch Dark

MR Tuesday night Dark he is.

[Donald]

This luther and masked guy #45 vs Jericho and swagger might be the worst wrestling match I've ever seen.

[Donald]

Dynamite had a lot of instances of wrestlers waiting for the next spot to happen. It was especially noteable in the Jericho match, where hager and Jericho waiting for the masked guy to jump on them and when all of them were on the floor waiting for luther to jump on them. Wwe that happens but either the camera doesn't show them waiting or it's very short window. Luther looked uncomfortable in the ring.

[Hero!]

https://twitter.com/lancehoyt/status/1316517932369940480?s=21


still cuts a great fucking promo PERIOD!

[JuveLeo]

I'm dying for MJF to just sucker punch Jericho lol. I hope it happens

[JuveLeo]

The guy reffing the Cody/Cassidy match might be the most unenthusiastic referee I've ever seen. He literally just stands in one spot and watches the match lol. So bad

[Donald]

Are you Spudz?

[JuveLeo]

..

[Sinner]

Did not enjoy Cody vs Orange

Just kick Orange in the face! It made Cody look very stupid

[Nash Diesel]

https://twitter.com/lancehoyt/status/1316517932369940480?s=21


still cuts a great fucking promo PERIOD!

Put him up there with names like Scott Hall and Jake the Snake who never won a World championship when they fucking should have.

[mth]

Shame things didn't pan out with Monty in WWE. Dude could've been a star.

[Nash Diesel]

Shame things didn't pan out with Monty in WWE. Dude could've been a star.

I'm curious as to what he would've accomplished if he didn't have family issues that pulled him out of the business. Kind of reminds me of when Ahmed Johnson abruptly quit back in the day. Just out of nowhere something happened and they had to bounce to take care of the family.

I will say this, didn't realize how short he was until he came to WWECW.

[Donald]

It's no coincidence that Monty Brown's last match and Chris Benoit's last match both occurred on 6/19/07. Why aren't the police investigating Monty Brown?

[Chris Scott]

https://twitter.com/lancehoyt/status/1316517932369940480?s=21


still cuts a great fucking promo PERIOD!

Haha brilliant

[Chris Scott]

Did not enjoy Cody vs Orange

Just kick Orange in the face! It made Cody look very stupid

Couldn’t get into it myself, maybe I need a 2nd viewing.

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I’m loving Eddie Kingston me.

[JuveLeo]

Couldn’t get into it myself, maybe I need a 2nd viewing.

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I’m loving Eddie Kingston me.

His mic skills are amazing. He might be the best talker on the entire roster.

[Nash Diesel]

It's no coincidence that Monty Brown's last match and Chris Benoit's last match both occurred on 6/19/07. Why aren't the police investigating Monty Brown?

Because the Alpha Male has better things to do than frame Crispen Wah for murder.

[Donald]

I may have asked this before, but who do you think will be the first major name to go from AEW to WWE?

[Nash Diesel]

I may have asked this before, but who do you think will be the first major name to go from AEW to WWE?

Probably Cody.

[Romford Pele]

MJF. Heat magnet and home made.

[Matthew]

but he isn't homemade. he might have been on a smaller scale, but MLW has/had a tv deal and he was pretty prominent on it. his character was made well before aew

[Nash Diesel]

but he isn't homemade. he might have been on a smaller scale, but MLW has/had a tv deal and he was pretty prominent on it. his character was made well before aew

Oh yeah all that huge level of exposure MJF received with that MLW tv deal LOL.

How many people do you think even knew who MJF was before tuning in to AEW? I will say it's a point that can be argued but let's not act like that MLW deal was even remotely on par with even TNA on PopTV

[Matthew]

at least 3

[Peter Griffin]

Tbf unless a company trains the wrestler in some form (Deep south etc for WWF back in the day) are they really homegrown? The only person I am aware of training with AEW is Ogogo, Of course with Dustin opening a school I expect that will act as a feeder of sorts

[Nash Diesel]

While I do think it's a little over the top to consider the MLW tv deal anything to even mention because it's like when OVW had a tv deal with public access back in 2004, you do have a point.

In this day and age it's almost like if you weren't in some way established in WWE, then in AEW you're homegrown lol. MJF is a little difficult, wasn't he on the Austin podcast before AEW even existed? I could be wrong. He had some buzz for sure, same with Orange Cassidy.

What about Jungle Boy? Would he be considered homegrown or does it ultimately come down to you have to literally start from scratch with that promotion? Or can it be someone who was never over, nobody knew them, then they got big in a larger promotion? Kind of like minor league sports teams, if someone is a big name for a minor league team in Knoxville, TN but then becomes an even bigger name worldwide due to playing for a pro team, do we credit the farm league or do we credit the big club?

[JuveLeo]

Rey Fenix is unreal. Him and Pentagon are having a really good match. Pretty solid Dynamite episode so far

[Bert]

I hate musical episodes.

[JuveLeo]

What the hell is this? Lol. Cornette is going to have a field day on this. Lol

[VHS]

Aubrey flat out annoys the fuck out of me at this point. She is always pacing back and forth, posing like a ballet mariachi dancer. She's the opposite of invisible, she's such a distraction from the match.

[Bert]

I didn't notice her at all.

Wardlow/Jungleboy was way better than I thought it would be, Wardlow might not be as green as I thought he was. MJF is a better singer than Jericho. John Silver is a super good wrestler. The graphic and promo for Eddie Kingston vs Moxley is great. I can't believe a few months ago he wasn't even with the company.

[Nash Diesel]

What the hell is this? Lol. Cornette is going to have a field day on this. Lol

You should read his tweet lol.

This show was probably the worst AEW show I've watched. Not saying they haven't sucked more often than not the last 5-6 months, maybe longer, but Jesus Christ....This is the alternative we wanted I guess.

It almost felt like they wanted to show us they could do worse than the Elias segment on SD with this whole singing bullshit. I wanted to like it but it was cringe.

The only thing that saved this show was the Pentagon/Fenix match. Everything else, yikes.

[Sinner]

I did not enjoy Jericho and MJF. This is what people want!?

[Sasori]

What the hell is this? Lol. Cornette is going to have a field day on this. Lol

He disowned MJF, lol. Pissing off Cornette is the best part. How dare they do something that isn't pure 80's southern style wrestling.


I didn't notice her at all.

Wardlow/Jungleboy was way better than I thought it would be, Wardlow might not be as green as I thought he was. MJF is a better singer than Jericho. John Silver is a super good wrestler. The graphic and promo for Eddie Kingston vs Moxley is great. I can't believe a few months ago he wasn't even with the company.

MJF was in choir as a kid.


You should read his tweet lol.

This show was probably the worst AEW show I've watched. Not saying they haven't sucked more often than not the last 5-6 months, maybe longer, but Jesus Christ....This is the alternative we wanted I guess.

It almost felt like they wanted to show us they could do worse than the Elias segment on SD with this whole singing bullshit. I wanted to like it but it was cringe.

The only thing that saved this show was the Pentagon/Fenix match. Everything else, yikes.

I didn't know you were so disappointed with the product. What were you expecting? We've discussed this on the board many times. Fans love the entertainment aspect. A pure sports style show isn't going to hook them. I've read that's what ROH is doing now, so that's an alternative.

And worse than Elias? Nothing is worse than Christian Rock.

[Donald]

I'm sure the Y2J/MJF segment is going to do huge numbers so Jericho can gloat.

[Nash Diesel]

He disowned MJF, lol. Pissing off Cornette is the best part. How dare they do something that isn't pure 80's southern style wrestling.



MJF was in choir as a kid.



I didn't know you were so disappointed with the product. What were you expecting? We've discussed this on the board many times. Fans love the entertainment aspect. A pure sports style show isn't going to hook them. I've read that's what ROH is doing now, so that's an alternative.

And worse than Elias? Nothing is worse than Christion Rock.

I'm not sure how to answer that question without replying with, have you paid attention to anything I've said about the show?

I don't go into a wrestling show with a checklist. I don't have huge expectations because you literally never know what you're going to get. That's why I can still call myself a fan after 30+ years. I'm one of those couple million still holding on lol.

I'm not "so disappointed" I'm just being a veteran fan who looks for more than just what is presented and go "OH AWESOME". Doesn't work with WWE, shouldn't work for AEW. Or any promotion.

AEW is still trying to find their identity imo. Imagine thinking TNA in year one was going to be TNA in year five. But again, it's impossible for fans who are my age who have been watching it this long to watch it the same way we did when we were 8 or if we were just some casual fan hopping in and out because it's on. It's like expecting a 40 year old comic book nerd to accept a revamped Night Thrasher because it's what Marvel is doing now. Fuck that.

AEW can do better. They're already doing one major thing right: Kenny Omega as a top singles guy. I guess the jury's still out, if he's not champ after Ambrose they shit the bed. They gotta keep it hot. Gotta be a top tier player not just some dude who Tony EWR's into a spot. He just needs a manager because his promo ability is borderline early Cesaro. And Cesaro knows 8 languages!

[Bert]

MJF was in choir as a kid.


Yeah, and he was on Rosie as a kid singing you are my sunshine. I knew he could sing but I didn't expect him to be that much better than Jericho. Jericho was a crazy shade of red by the end too.

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[Nash Diesel]

This is why only a million or so watch this show. It really does appeal to the most die hard wrestling fan who can look past this bullshit.

[JuveLeo]

This is why only a million or so watch this show. It really does appeal to the most die hard wrestling fan who can look past this bullshit.
Doesn't WWE struggle to get 2 million nowadays? Wrestling as a whole is pretty dead if you compare it to the 80s and late 90s.

[Peter Griffin]

No shit sherlock.

[Jarrod1983]

Yeah, and he was on Rosie as a kid singing you are my sunshine. I knew he could sing but I didn't expect him to be that much better than Jericho. Jericho was a crazy shade of red by the end too.

https://i.imgur.com/Wy1I4Aa.jpg

Crazy shade of red is right. I thought holy shit this guy could drop any second.

Didn't know about MJF's singing. Guy can carry a tune.

[JuveLeo]

No shit sherlock.

No one was talking to you, buddy.

[Bert]

Crazy shade of red is right. I thought holy shit this guy could drop any second.

Didn't know about MJF's singing. Guy can carry a tune.


https://youtu.be/W4wqqFXZxXY

[Sasori]

I'm not sure how to answer that question without replying with, have you paid attention to anything I've said about the show?

I don't go into a wrestling show with a checklist. I don't have huge expectations because you literally never know what you're going to get. That's why I can still call myself a fan after 30+ years. I'm one of those couple million still holding on lol.

I'm not "so disappointed" I'm just being a veteran fan who looks for more than just what is presented and go "OH AWESOME". Doesn't work with WWE, shouldn't work for AEW. Or any promotion.

AEW is still trying to find their identity imo. Imagine thinking TNA in year one was going to be TNA in year five. But again, it's impossible for fans who are my age who have been watching it this long to watch it the same way we did when we were 8 or if we were just some casual fan hopping in and out because it's on. It's like expecting a 40 year old comic book nerd to accept a revamped Night Thrasher because it's what Marvel is doing now. Fuck that.

AEW can do better. They're already doing one major thing right: Kenny Omega as a top singles guy. I guess the jury's still out, if he's not champ after Ambrose they shit the bed. They gotta keep it hot. Gotta be a top tier player not just some dude who Tony EWR's into a spot. He just needs a manager because his promo ability is borderline early Cesaro. And Cesaro knows 8 languages!


This is why only a million or so watch this show. It really does appeal to the most die hard wrestling fan who can look past this bullshit.

I knew you weren't AEW's biggest fan, but I didn't think you thought it sucks more often than not. I haven't agreed with every decision they've made (like taking the TV title off Brodie after only a month), but what I like about the company is that there's an honesty to it. They're doing what they love and you can see it in the kinds of storylines and segments that get produced. When someone like Eddie Kingston cuts a promo, you can tell it's from the heart. And it was Matt Hardy's idea to mentor Private Party because he saw potential in them. That doesn't mean they don't pander to fans. Jericho was quick to sell bottles of "A Little Bit of the Bubbly" on his website and makes a nice little profit. While it's not perfect, I get a genuine good feeling when watching AEW which is something that I haven't gotten from American wrestling in a very long time.

I would add that a million viewers is really good considering wrestling isn't hot right now and the promotion is brand new. I don't know if they've peaked yet or still have room to grow their audience, but I would call this a success.

[JuveLeo]

Anyone think Wardlow looks a tad like Joey Abs? They could pass as cousins or brothers even, lol.

[Nash Diesel]

Doesn't WWE struggle to get 2 million nowadays? Wrestling as a whole is pretty dead if you compare it to the 80s and late 90s.

Not comparing it to anything other than reality. I will elaborate more below but being content with losing that % of your fanbase and not being able to recover like you did in the past when the numbers were the same (check the ratings for Raw in 1993-1996). No company is happy with that but obviously we're talking about a company (WWE) who has about 100 more tv deals across the planet and are literally their own shit in comparison to every other wrestling company. Why? They're not a wrestling company anymore.


I knew you weren't AEW's biggest fan, but I didn't think you thought it sucks more often than not. I haven't agreed with every decision they've made (like taking the TV title off Brodie after only a month), but what I like about the company is that there's an honesty to it. They're doing what they love and you can see it in the kinds of storylines and segments that get produced. When someone like Eddie Kingston cuts a promo, you can tell it's from the heart. And it was Matt Hardy's idea to mentor Private Party because he saw potential in them. That doesn't mean they don't pander to fans. Jericho was quick to sell bottles of "A Little Bit of the Bubbly" on his website and makes a nice little profit. While it's not perfect, I get a genuine good feeling when watching AEW which is something that I haven't gotten from American wrestling in a very long time.

I would add that a million viewers is really good considering wrestling isn't hot right now and the promotion is brand new. I don't know if they've peaked yet or still have room to grow their audience, but I would call this a success.

I'm just being real. Like I said, I watch it through a different lens than most because I have been a huge fan for over 30 years. I dove head first into music and pro wrestling when I was like 6 and had older friends who in 1995 were exposing me to everything under the sun thanks to them having internet in college lol.

It's also a mood thing. I have gone back and watched matches that I originally thought were awesome and I'm like, I really liked that whack shit? And like I said, AEW is still trying to find their identity. Some fans are hypnotized with their praise because I truly believe it's due to it being fresh. It's not completely different for obvious reasons but that's perfectly fine, it's FRESH. Unfortunately as I keep saying I've been watching it so long and I'm too old to play pretend mentally like I did when I was 9 or even 15 with the nWo coming in.

Trust me, I'm definitely a fan who makes excuses but a million is not good. And the excuse we use isn't exactly positive lol. "Well yeah I mean 10 million people used to like it but it's ok if only 2-3 million do now" What company is happy with losing that % of their customers? Imagine Pepsi saying, well, at least people are still drinking soda. Truth is we don't really know how many are watching with the 90 ways you can watch in 2020 but I still think it doesn't matter what era you're in, if the shit's good it's good. Explain to me how shows like Law and Order can still bang out 20-30 million viewers for 25 years consistently? If the shit is hot it's hot. Rap music wouldn't have a platform if only a million records were sold a year.




Anyone think Wardlow looks a tad like Joey Abs? They could pass as cousins or brothers even, lol.

Hilarious you said that because my best friend asked if that was the actual wrestling from MSP lol. I actually think he looks like if Rhyno had a kid but he was the opposite of his dad height-wise.

[Nash Diesel]

Long ass story short. I'm a big fan of AEW and that's why I am critical of them to a certain degree. That's just how I am when I want something to succeed. Whether that's my kids, music, pro wrestling, how I do at my job, etc.

If we just talk about the Glee segment we saw, personally it's not that big of a fucking deal lol. It's another corny segment in pro wrestling we can shit for years to come or people can defend for years to come. You don't think people were shitting on This Is Your Life or the other skits in the 90's or the weird shit in the 80's? Of course they did. Segments like this will no doubt divide fans. That doesn't mean if you didn't like this segment you don't like comedy in wrestling, some shit just doesn't appeal to people. When I watch Empire, I love it, but half the shit is so corny I'm like man, why do I still watch it?? Or most of my favorite sports teams.... :(

[Donald]

This Is Your Life is my least favorite segment in the history of wrestling. Worse than Katie Vick. Worse than the Jericho/Cassidy debate. Just utter shit.

[Nash Diesel]

I think my only real gripe is the people who watch AEW feel like they don't owe it to themselves to objective. They want this to be so awesome and so much better than WWE which is why 99% of them can't stop themselves from saying things like, "Well look at WWE's ratings" So what? They own the market, fuck the US they own the global market of pro wrestling EASILY.

We have a company who right now is more focused on comedy spots and bullshit than making Jon Moxley the centerpiece. If you're not fuckin with Jericho, you're #2 and a distant #2. People want to compare them to WWE well here you have WWE's go to job guy getting heavy rotation like it's 1993 and radio still won't let go of Motley Crue and replace them with Nirvana. Not saying Motley didn't have a purpose in the early 90's just like Jericho has a purpose in this era no doubt he's fucking brilliant....but when you're not really putting much effort into your World title picture I think you need to start.

Kenny Omega is the answer. I think he's the missing piece in the main event scene. Wasting away in a tag-team. It's his time to really shine.

[JuveLeo]

I agree about the Kenny Omega stuff. Everyone thought when AEW was created that Omega would be the guy, but he's basically been a background guy. Yes, he's been a tag champ, but i really do believe that he's at his absolute best when he's a singles wrestler. He needs more focus and i think he will when he wins the number 1 contender tournament. Also, i think Omega as a heel is considerably better than a face.

[Nash Diesel]

I agree about the Kenny Omega stuff. Everyone thought when AEW was created that Omega would be the guy, but he's basically been a background guy. Yes, he's been a tag champ, but i really do believe that he's at his absolute best when he's a singles wrestler. He needs more focus and i think he will when he wins the number 1 contender tournament. Also, i think Omega as a heel is considerably better than a face.

I said it earlier but what will hold him back is his promos. This isn't Japan where promos are 3rd-4th down the line. North American and Western European fans that they are trying to appeal to are not going to just go "Eh but he's so good who cares if he sucks on the mic" I remember pre-WWE Bryan Danielson, nobody gave that guy a shot in the WWE because he didn't show enough personality in ROH. He was Bob Backlund 2.0 and it did take him a year or so on the main roster and the stories that he fell into that helped him build up his skills and be more than the best in the world.

I believe that if you have talkers like Jericho, Moxley, plus the OG's like Tully, Arn, and Jake the Snake, you shouldn't have any issue with learning and improving unless that's the best you can do. If you can't sit down with Goldust and learn something you're fucked. Or even a guy like Cody, dude has been money on the mic since he helped induct his father into the HOF.

[Sasori]

I can't remember if this was advertised on the show this week, but Matt and Sammy will be going at it on the Hardy Compound at Full Gear.

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[Nash Diesel]

I can't remember if this was advertised on the show this week, but Matt and Sammy will be going at it on the Hardy Compound at Full Gear.

https://cdn.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Ek62dtOW0AAa_Nd.jpg

I'm super confused and excited because to my knowledge, Hardy was done with all the gimmicks. So what will this be like?

[Sasori]

I'm super confused and excited because to my knowledge, Hardy was done with all the gimmicks. So what will this be like?

Yup, Matt posted a video on his channel where he came to terms with all his personas and became whole again. I guess he can still call on their help when needed, but he no longer needs them on a regular basis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5L0VrmGBk

[Chris Scott]

Rey Fenix is unreal. Him and Pentagon are having a really good match. Pretty solid Dynamite episode so far

Just finished the show before, what a match that was. Page/Colt match was good too, enjoyed that.

[Peter Griffin]

I heard about it on twitter but only watched last night, But Jesus after the Hardy debacle you would like to think they would be extra cautious, but no they have Reynolds knocked loopy in the ring with people working round him then taking moves after, Mental.

[Chris Scott]

Yeah was shocking the ref at first didn’t notice and also over a minute the fellow wrestlers didn’t get onto it.

Although the move was routine Private Party do all the time, you can’t blame AEW for that.

[Peter Griffin]

Well no, Accidents happen, But as I say they really need to start catching onto this shit after Matt as well.

I feel like Jericho and whoever else came up with that steak dinner segment did it of course to entertain but partly to give James E. a breakdown :lol:

[VHS]

I heard about it on twitter but only watched last night, But Jesus after the Hardy debacle you would like to think they would be extra cautious, but no they have Reynolds knocked loopy in the ring with people working round him then taking moves after, Mental.

The refs are too busy trying to be a part of the show rather than actually be officials. Aubrey was caught off guard w/ the Matt Hardy incident w/ Sammy and she didn't know how the hell to handle the situation. She froze, called the match but they continued anyway and she didn't do a damn thing. Rick Knox though, I don't know how he didn't notice Reynolds being unconscious, just lying there like that. Scary stuff.

AEW needs to sit their refs down and tell them they need to remember their training on how to be referees not performers because they're going to let someone fall on their head and they won't know what to do. Oh wait they've already done that.

[mth]

Just read that Abadon was injured while wrestling a match with Tay Conti at the Dynamite taping and was taken to the hospital. :(

EDIT: Update: she took an elbow to the throat and couldn't breathe. She's doing better and should recover just fine.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah was shocking the ref at first didn’t notice and also over a minute the fellow wrestlers didn’t get onto it.

Although the move was routine Private Party do all the time, you can’t blame AEW for that.

Of course you can blame AEW for that. See, that's the problem I literally just spoke on. Some of you can't be objective, some of you can't be unbiased and go "Yeah AEW fucked up". I just mean in general. I mean, who is to blame for carelessness? Vince McMahon?

[Donald]

Vince McMahon is to blame for anything.

[Chris Scott]

Of course you can blame AEW for that. See, that's the problem I literally just spoke on. Some of you can't be objective, some of you can't be unbiased and go "Yeah AEW fucked up". I just mean in general. I mean, who is to blame for carelessness? Vince McMahon?

How the fuck can you blame AEW as a company for this particular incident? Problem with some of you guys who just constantly bash AEW you want it to be their fault. This one incident can happen in any company around the world. The refs especially, the other workers, people around ringside looking out should’ve got onto it.

[Peter Griffin]

No one can blame them for the move, But, Well the companies response to this after their disaster with Matt does leave a sour taste. It should probably also be noted two of the workers in the match were management also.
I don't know who is constantly bashing AEW exactly, I mean I have enjoyed the first year greatly, I just happen to think they need to get their act together in this regard.

[Chris Scott]

Yeah the company was terrible after the Matt stuff not denying that.

But what could’ve AEW as a company done about that incident as it happened right in front of them at the time? That’s my whole point.

[Nash Diesel]

How the fuck can you blame AEW as a company for this particular incident? Problem with some of you guys who just constantly bash AEW you want it to be their fault. This one incident can happen in any company around the world. The refs especially, the other workers, people around ringside looking out should’ve got onto it.

Of course it could happen to any company and that company would be blamed as a whole. It was the talent, the ref, and the company who are at fault. But ultimately it's AEW who takes the blame because it happened on their watch. Just like when Owen Hart died and WWE were sued.

[Peter Griffin]

I think we are getting a bit hyperbolic there ND.

[Nash Diesel]

I think we are getting a bit hyperbolic there ND.

It's an extreme example but it's easy. I'm not going to sit here and break it down to where "AEW" doesn't get any blame so the blind marks can feel better. They're the first ones who would be shitting on WWE for the exact same scenario.

[Donald]

It's karma for Everytime a bitter ex wwe star talks smack.

[Chris Scott]

It's an extreme example but it's easy. I'm not going to sit here and break it down to where "AEW" doesn't get any blame so the blind marks can feel better. They're the first ones who would be shitting on WWE for the exact same scenario.

Oh so that makes you right then because it’s an extreme example, whatever. And your digs about Marks shitting on wwe, I still watch it and hardly comment about it so stop keep on going on about that.

[Chris Scott]

Of course it could happen to any company and that company would be blamed as a whole. It was the talent, the ref, and the company who are at fault. But ultimately it's AEW who takes the blame because it happened on their watch. Just like when Owen Hart died and WWE were sued.

It was an accident in that one instance. In my work place if I have an accident involving someone else, Ed I’d be pissed off but you can’t exactly say it was my whole company’s fault.

Bloody wwe fanboys looking for any excuse to have a go at the company :rolleyes:

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It's karma for Everytime a bitter ex wwe star talks smack.

Are you like his shadow or something?

[Donald]

WWE is my life, I'm sorry.

[Peter Griffin]

I'm beginning to think you are a AEW fan boy tbh, This is the exact shit I see on twitter.

'AEW is God, WWE sucks fanboy'

'WWE is great, AEW sucks lols'

Tedious shite.

If you are just winding people up fair enough.

[Nash Diesel]

Oh so that makes you right then because it’s an extreme example, whatever. And your digs about Marks shitting on wwe, I still watch it and hardly comment about it so stop keep on going on about that.

You don't speak for every AEW mark out there.

And yes it does make me right despite it being an extreme example, like I said it's an easy example for people to relate.


It was an accident in that one instance. In my work place if I have an accident involving someone else, Ed I’d be pissed off but you can’t exactly say it was my whole company’s fault.

Bloody wwe fanboys looking for any excuse to have a go at the company :rolleyes:

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Are you like his shadow or something?

Hey, nobody is saying "It's not the ref's fault it's Tony Khan!" Dude, it's multiple people's poor judgement that is the issue. And no, I'm not a WWE fanboy, I'm a pro wrestling fanboy. I spend way more time shitting on the WWE than AEW, go read what I just put down about HIAC.

[Chris Scott]

I'm beginning to think you are a AEW fan boy tbh, This is the exact shit I see on twitter.

'AEW is God, WWE sucks fanboy'

'WWE is great, AEW sucks lols'

Tedious shite.

If you are just winding people up fair enough.

You on about me here?

[Sasori]

Where have they been hiding Leyla Hirsch? She's one of the few women who looks like she knows what to do in the ring. Has really solid offense and came across as a legit threat against Serena.

[Sasori]

PAC will be "breaking his silence" next Wed on Dynamite. I don't know if he'll be there in person or if it will just be another video. I've seen people speculating Fenix will break away from the Family and join him which would be fine with me. Just need a third person to bring back TRIANGULO DE LA MUERTE!

https://www.f4wonline.com/aew-news/pac-break-his-silence-aew-dynamite-323976

[Donald]

Sounds riveting. Can't wait for Dynamite.

[Chris Scott]

YES KENNY OMEGA the cleaner

[chatty]

I agree about the Kenny Omega stuff. Everyone thought when AEW was created that Omega would be the guy, but he's basically been a background guy. Yes, he's been a tag champ, but i really do believe that he's at his absolute best when he's a singles wrestler. He needs more focus and i think he will when he wins the number 1 contender tournament. Also, i think Omega as a heel is considerably better than a face.

I think he should lose to Page then turn heel and attacking Page v Moxley. Page v Moxley is another fresh feud evn if it only lasts a month and Id rather Kenny and Moxley have a bit kore time apart before they go round again. Also I font think Omega is there yet in terms of being over, he'll be better as a heel so let Page go over him, turn Kenny, let them feud for a few months, Omega comes out the winner and then goes after Moxley, hopefully when crowds are starting to fill back up more.

[Nash Diesel]

The longer they keep pushing Omega like a midcarder the harder it's going to be for him to transition as a top guy. The guy is not getting any younger. They've already watered him down considerably. Adam Page is 29 years old and if AEW are in it for the long haul then they have plenty of time with him because let's be honest, he himself isn't ready for that main event level push even in AEW. I'd be having Page building himself up in the TNT title picture.

If Omega isn't who dethrones Moxley then I'm not sure who will. Nobody has the total package better than Moxley but the booking doesn't reflect that. Honestly, the way they book the show they should just put it back on Le Champion.

[Chris Scott]

Meh I think Kenny has been fine his past years run. I have no doubts he’ll be built up to finally be the one to take the title of Moxley, probably win it to see 2020 out.

[Nash Diesel]

Meh I think Kenny has been fine his past years run. I have no doubts he’ll be built up to finally be the one to take the title of Moxley, probably win it to see 2020 out.

You were fine with one of their top guys coming in to AEW being put in a tag-team that had zero memorable feuds? I've made it crystal Pepsi clear on how I feel about the way AEW have handled Kenny Omega. Imagine if they signed Moxley and for the last year he was in a tag-team with Shawn Spears.......

I'd be shocked, pleasantly shocked, if Kenny did what you're saying. I guess my issue is why did we have to waste the last 10-11 months on Kenny Omega and Adam Page at the top of the tag-team mountain when obviously they're better as singles wrestlers. This huge roster of solid tag-teams, including the Bucks, having to play backup dancers to a couple singles stars. I don't get the mentality but I also stopped booking wrestling in EWR about 15 years ago.

[Chris Scott]

I stopped reading when you mentioned Moxley teaming with Spears :lol:

[Nash Diesel]

I stopped reading when you mentioned Moxley teaming with Spears :lol:

Good because that was the only part that was truly important lol.

I have a good feeling about year two for AEW. More original talent (i.e. non-established WWE wrestlers) establishing a place in the company. We now have a real tag-team at the top of the mountain and it's a team you can build the next 3-5 years around easily. The main event picture is what it is. I think if they split up the Lucha Bros you have Pentagon who could definitely make waves in the World title picture as a quasi-heel, Fenix in the mix as a top babyface would be incredible.

Another glaring issue for me is Cody in the TNT title picture. Another misplaced talent. He should no doubt be in the main event lurking around the World title until they figure out a way to via storyline get him a title match and win the damn thing. If anyone should take the title off Moxley not named Kenny Omega it's heel Cody Rhodes. I'd rather AEW build that division around people like MJF than Cody.

[Donald]

Cornette thought MJF was the only good thing about AEW, then he want and started singing and Cornette lost it :lol:

[Sasori]

Was PAC's vignette supposed to end abruptly like that or did they screw up the commercial break?

That segment with Moxley and Kingston was hot fire!

[Matthew]

i highly enjoyed the kenny/hangman montage with a cheesy power ballad

[JuveLeo]

Was PAC's vignette supposed to end abruptly like that or did they screw up the commercial break?

That segment with Moxley and Kingston was hot fire!
I've said this a hundred times, but man, Eddie Kingston is really gifted on the mic. Him and Mox had a really great segment.

[Nash Diesel]

I would give anything for Eddie Kingston to be as good in the ring as he is on the mic. If he didn't look like a city bus driver and wrestle worse than Hogan in his 50's I'd say put the strap on him.

[Sasori]

I haven't seen much of Eddie in the ring (can't even remember anything he did in Impact), but his first match with Moxley was pretty good. I have high hopes for their match on Saturday.

[JuveLeo]

I would give anything for Eddie Kingston to be as good in the ring as he is on the mic. If he didn't look like a city bus driver and wrestle worse than Hogan in his 50's I'd say put the strap on him.I think his skill in the ring is decent, but i agree about him looking kinda mehh. If he had a good build he could seriously have the potential of being a superstar. But that's AEW. The majority of the guys are short and look average.

[Nash Diesel]

I've been following this man for almost 15 years and I've always admired his promo ability. He stood out like a sore thumb in CHIKARA because nobody could cut a promo for shit. I just never cared for his wrestling. I can tolerate it, but if we're talking about someone feuding with Moxley in what is to be perceived as a legit top tier organization with a WORLD champion, not just by name but actually defending outside of the US, unfortunately I don't see him getting that nod. If they want to have him be a mouthpiece for Pentagon, fuck yeah, that dude should be champion if that's the case. Cool look, awesome wrestler, with Kingston by his side?

[Donald]

Only thing I've seen of Eddie Kingston was when he appeared on the Evolve show on the WWE Network last year. Can't remember what he did though.

[Nash Diesel]

What I want to know about Eddie Kingston is the situation with Mia Yim.

[Ringo]

Man, Eddie Kingston's AEW run has been fantastic. It makes me really happy to see him get some shine like this in a big promotion towards what is presumably the twilight of his career. I can't wait for him vs. Mox. Great build. High hopes for the match.

Dynamite has been on a roll in general the last few months so I'm hoping this PPV is a return to form after the pretty lacklustre All Out.

[Peter Griffin]

If Eddie wins I would be giddy... Nothing against Mox... On another note, It's a bit mental how, If you take out ads, Dark has a roughly 40 minute longer runtime than Dynamite :lol:

[Nash Diesel]

If Eddie wins I would be giddy... Nothing against Mox... On another note, It's a bit mental how, If you take out ads, Dark has a roughly 40 minute longer runtime than Dynamite :lol:

Curious about this comment. Do you think he'd be a good World champion and if so, based on what? Dude is great on the mic but outside of that I don't know if him being the heir to the throne is something people would be happy about. Kingston of all people beating Moxley? It wouldn't be the worst booking decision of 2020 but I just don't see it.

I haven't seen too many pro-Eddie fans for this match so genuinely curious.

[Peter Griffin]

I dunno man I just love the guy since he came in, Has built up a hell of a story and would be a nice change of pace.
I mean sure his Mic skills outweigh his traditional 'wrestling abilities' but he is more than good enough and can tell a story in ring as well as verbally.

[Sasori]

If Eddie wins I would be giddy... Nothing against Mox... On another note, It's a bit mental how, If you take out ads, Dark has a roughly 40 minute longer runtime than Dynamite :lol:

Yeah, Dark is ridiculously long. Since it's only on YouTube, I guess they can go however long they want.

[Nash Diesel]

I dunno man I just love the guy since he came in, Has built up a hell of a story and would be a nice change of pace.
I mean sure his Mic skills outweigh his traditional 'wrestling abilities' but he is more than good enough and can tell a story in ring as well as verbally.

For me it has always came down to wrestling ability. He's the guy who works well in a stable because he can shine as the mouthpiece AND work but he isn't the TOP GUY. When I watch New Day, personally I think Woods is one of the best people on the mic in wrestling period but I don't see him as a World champion. I could very well be proven wrong just like with Eddie Kingston.

Mox definitely has a rogue's gallery of opponents in wrestling. I'd really like to see a rematch with Minoru Suzuki happen in a Western promotion especially here in the US.

[Ringo]

The Countdown to Full Gear free special on YouTube is great. This card has been so well built and the segments on each match are terrific. Loved the Cody/Darby section.

[Murphy]

I can’t wait for this tonight. Stacked! Will be watching in the morning though.

I think we’ll see Kenny win tonight and go full heel.

[Chris Scott]

Can’t wait too Murphy, one hour away. Dynamic this week was a good last build up show.

AEW Full Gear 2020 predictions
— Jon Moxley retains the AEW World Championship over Kingston.
— Darby Allin picks up a big win, defeating Cody for the TNT Championship.
— The Young Bucks win the tag titles in a classic.
— Nyla Rose earns a win over Shida to win the Women's Championship.
— Kenny Omega earns the victory over Hangman.
— Matt Hardy ends his feud over Guevara with a win.
— MJF is the newest member of the Inner Circle.
— Orange Cassidy gets the win over Silver in an good bout.
— Serena Deeb makes a successful defense of the NWA Women's title over the debuting Allysin Kay on the Buy In.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Can’t wait too Murphy, one hour away. Dynamic this week was a good last build up show.

AEW Full Gear 2020 predictions
— Jon Moxley retains the AEW World Championship over Kingston.
— Darby Allin picks up a big win, defeating Cody for the TNT Championship.
— The Young Bucks win the tag titles in a classic.
— Nyla Rose earns a win over Shida to win the Women's Championship.
— Kenny Omega earns the victory over Hangman.
— Matt Hardy ends his feud over Guevara with a win.
— MJF is the newest member of the Inner Circle.
— Orange Cassidy gets the win over Silver in an good bout.
— Serena Deeb makes a successful defense of the NWA Women's title over the debuting Allysin Kay on the Buy In.

I pretty much agree with everything here except I think Guevara beats Matt.

Really looking forward to this show. The go-home Dynamite was on fire.

[Tainted Eclipse]

apropos of the opening preshow match being a womens match ... why is literally only japan able to produce good women's wrestling?

[Chris Scott]

I pretty much agree with everything here except I think Guevara beats Matt.

Really looking forward to this show. The go-home Dynamite was on fire.

Yeah could swing each way that one.

[Chris Scott]

Nice opening match between Kenny & Hangman

[Tainted Eclipse]

outstanding show so far

[Tainted Eclipse]

the sammy/matt hardy thing is absolutely terrible

[ckauffman28]

Outstanding night of wrestling. I believe all of AEWs roster had a part in tonight.
Sadly, only thing I didn't like was the main event... a bloated Kingston did what I figured... wished a member of his family woulda said it for him. ��*♂️

[Chris Scott]

the sammy/matt hardy thing is absolutely terrible

First showing I wasn’t sure going to have to watch it again.

Great overall show loved it. Hopefully watch it again tomorrow.

[Chris Scott]

Hurricane & Gangrel though :D

[Peter Griffin]

Pretty excellent show, I didn't enjoy Bucks vs FTR as much asi thought I would, Maybe I overhyped it in my own head beforehand, Still good though. I kind of enjoyed the opener more than any other match :lol: