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Spudz Mackenzie
August 5th, 2020, 8:36 PM
So, 10-man tag-team opener last week.

12-man tag-team this watch week.

Looking forward to next week when we get a 14-man tag-team match.

Just keep adding guys every week. We can have a 40-man tag-team match some time. They'll have guys in the match that never leave the lockers because they don't fit anywhere in the arena.

JuveLeo
August 5th, 2020, 9:19 PM
Eric Bischoff... yikes

Edit: Is this a one time thing? Or is he signed?

Beer-Belly
August 5th, 2020, 10:22 PM
Eric Bischoff... yikes

Edit: Is this a one time thing? Or is he signed?

One time thing.

Tonight's episode was fucking stellar.

JuveLeo
August 5th, 2020, 11:35 PM
One time thing.

Tonight's episode was fucking stellar.
Thank goodness. And i agree, it was another pretty solid show.

BGMaverick
August 5th, 2020, 11:53 PM
It says something, though I'm not exactly sure what, that a 12-team tag was more entertaining than the 10-man last week. One week's chaos looked sloppy and the other was more clean. Lee and Page squaring off is something I'd certainly like to see more of.

A feud of convenience and over a van. At least those two teams are good at what they do and should be good together for undercard program.

Seemed like a rather underwhelming debut for Cardona.

Jericho's side of the debate came off as corny to me. Cassidy's side, verbal and non verbal, was more entertaining.

One segment, especially what it was, for the women for a two-hour show seems...unfortunate. Unless I missed it, they didn't even advertise/promote their women's tournament. Instead, they opted to market this subscription-based women's only web community.

The Moxley promo earlier in the evening was a good appetizer for the main event. Good on them to outline (though it was brief) that Starks and Cage were barred from the arena. Of course it was smart to bar those two from the ring because the bigger deal with MJF and Wardlow being involved in the match. The first matchup between Allin and Moxley had the benefit of the crowd to feed off of but I'd say I liked the rematch better. The storytelling was definitely on point. They told a really good story over the course of the night between these two guys. Mission accomplished, but it's disappointing that this was a story that only really lasted one episode. Face versus face might have been hard for a multi-week program but they're two compelling characters that are endearing and would have drawn serious interest.

Morrison
August 6th, 2020, 12:54 AM
Mission accomplished, but it's disappointing that this was a story that only really lasted one episode. Face versus face might have been hard for a multi-week program but they're two compelling characters that are endearing and would have drawn serious interest.

but that mox promo essentially turned it into a months long storyline. and that closing shot of mox sitting an unconscious darby up, arm around him, bleeding on him, as he's talking to him, definitely plants the seeds for it to be continued in the future. this is how good long term storytelling works.

BGMaverick
August 6th, 2020, 12:58 AM
but that mox promo essentially turned it into a months long storyline. and that closing shot of mox sitting an unconscious darby up, arm around him, bleeding on him, as he's talking to him, definitely plants the seeds for it to be continued in the future. this is how good long term storytelling works.

I get that. But given what I saw over a traditional ppv-like program and a one-week build, I would have rather seen what Mox/Allin could've done with the time that was given to Mox/Cage for this go round.

It's also primed to be big, if they opt to have MJF actually be the one to dethrone Moxley, for these budding stars to keep getting their moment in the spotlight with big matches only to fall short nine times out of 10. All of that, just to see MJF (of all people) be the one to actually break through the glass ceiling. There's so many ways it could be impactful, especially if he wins through nefarious means, but it's certainly a story that's being told that these guys get these make or break moments and have moments of just being on the cusp but not being able to close it out. To see that actually happen but have a heel do it and it be him (again).

Chris Scott
August 6th, 2020, 2:09 PM
Excellent show this week loved it.

Debate was good, OC to hopefully win the rematch.

Loving the Sammy/Hardy stuff. Should be a very good feud, they are perfect for each other.

Big annoyed Ortiz & Santana lost again but understand since then they smashed the car. They need to win the rematch though.

MJF stuff is good.

Matt Cardona looked good.

Moxley/Allin match was very good. Good little build up. Allin & Cage for the FTW next please.

BGMaverick
August 6th, 2020, 4:04 PM
Week 01: 1,409,000 viewers
Week 02: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week 03: 1,014,000 viewers
Week 04: 963,000 viewers
Week 05: 759,000 viewers
Week 06: 822,000 viewers
Week 07: 957,000 viewers
Week 08: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week 09: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers
Week 19: 817,000 viewers
Week 20: 893,000 viewers
Week 21: 865,000 viewers
Week 22: 906,000 viewers
Week 23: 766,000 viewers
Week 24: 932,000 viewers
Week 25: 819,000 viewers
Week 26: 685,000 viewers
Week 27: 692,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 28: 683,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 29: 731,000 viewers
Week 30: 693,000 viewers
Week 31: 732,000 viewers
Week 32: 654,000 viewers
Week 33: 701,000 viewers
Week 34: 827,000 viewers
Week 35: 730,000 viewers
Week 36: 677,000 viewers
Week 37: 772,000 viewers
Week 38: 633,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 39: 748,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 40: 715,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 41: 788,000 viewers
Week 42: 845,000 viewers
Week 43: 773,000 viewers
Week 44: 901,000 viewers

Chris Scott
August 6th, 2020, 4:59 PM
Back to a million soon.

JuveLeo
August 6th, 2020, 9:42 PM
Wow, i didn't expect the ratings to spike that much. I assume viewers tuned to see Matt Cardona? It was an excellent episode last night though. AEW has been on quite the roll as of late.

BGMaverick
August 6th, 2020, 10:01 PM
Wow, i didn't expect the ratings to spike that much. I assume viewers tuned to see Matt Cardona? It was an excellent episode last night though. AEW has been on quite the roll as of late.

I imagine it was the three things heavily promoted: 12-man tag, Jericho/Cassidy with a surprise, and Moxley/Allin in a title match.

If they were there for Cardona:
A) I'd be concerned.
2) They were probably disappointed in a relative sense.
III) Why?

Nash Diesel
August 7th, 2020, 4:55 PM
I imagine it was the three things heavily promoted: 12-man tag, Jericho/Cassidy with a surprise, and Moxley/Allin in a title match.

If they were there for Cardona:
A) I'd be concerned.
2) They were probably disappointed in a relative sense.
III) Why?

Let's be honest. We all know the reason for the bump this week for AEW Nitro.

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https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cce44dff1c959fabfdf6bc47f11917e3.jpg

It's that simple. I'm not even being funny. We all know the crowd that watches AEW, it's the same crowd that watches every other show out there no matter how hard they pretend they don't. I promise you the idea of "What will Bischoff do on Nitro?" was at the top of everyone's list. The people that love Bischoff, and the people who pretend to hate him, they tuned in and that's why we saw a nice little bump.

But again, it's a pretty bad number. If the TNA thread was still active we could back 10 years to "OMG TNA got a 1.9 they're fucking dead!" 10 years later....So the upside is that if Nitro still can maintain at least a million viewers, they should be ok. A million on a cable tv in 2020 is like 10 million in 1999.

Chris Scott
August 7th, 2020, 5:16 PM
I don’t watch ROH, or Impact and I didn’t watch WCW during the ratings war.

Beer-Belly
August 7th, 2020, 8:21 PM
Pretty sure most people watching didn't know Bischoff would even be on the show

Also, this week's Dynamite apparently beat Raw in the 18-34 demographic. That's pretty big.

Dreyski
August 8th, 2020, 1:38 PM
DEMO-GOD

Chris Scott
August 8th, 2020, 5:29 PM
Jericho should absolutely be the person that comes out first when there’s a full crowd again. He’ll get the best pop and everyone can sing along to his song.

Psycho666Soldier
August 9th, 2020, 3:37 PM
Damn awesome episode of Dynamite this week. Opening tag was compelling and felt meaningful while blending a couple different angles together. Even if Sammy has heat for the chair spot, I think the extreme color helped make the feud with Hardy seem more serious, and that has a lot of potential to become a deep blood feud.

Best Friends/Santana & Ortiz is a solid undercard feud that takes advantage of recent character points, is a good transition for Best Friends out of the #2 spots, and ideally, a place for Santana & Ortiz to build their winning ways back up and climb the ranks.

The debate was excellent. Jericho being his petulant self, trying to embarrass Cassidy when he's ultimately just embarrassing himself, and Cassidy getting poignant and serious. I think this has been built to the point where Cassidy more than deserves the win, and Jericho can easily rebound off his star power alone, let alone the fact that it can be blamed on underestimating Orange Cassidy.

Mox/Allin was a great main event, and I felt there was a lot of entrenched story coming out with it. Took a lot of AEW history and the personal journeys of both men and continues to plant seeds for potential future developments. Mox's pre-match promo was gripping, and felt very different from what we normally get. Overall, Moxley came out looking like a champion in a big way on this show. Allin just looked incredible as the scrappy underdog as usual.

Not everything in-between was groundbreaking, but all the big moments were executed perfectly, and it was an exciting package of wrestling. A lot to look forward to next week, also.

Matthew
August 9th, 2020, 4:11 PM
so is this arn/tully/ftr build/interaction lead to the new faction of the quad cowboys?

BGMaverick
August 9th, 2020, 6:00 PM
I didn't know this was a thing until I saw it pop up today: Jericho apparently had Fozzy concerts this past week. They were either outdoor shows or indoor ones with 35-50% capacity. He said they "hand out masks at the door, do temperature checks, all that sort of stuff." Apparently the shows were in North and South Dakota, and Iowa. This really doesn't seem smart, especially from an optics perspective.

Kev
August 9th, 2020, 8:48 PM
Never thought I'd be into AEW but the shows have been consistently solid. Really grateful to not feel like I'm a child when watching this show either.

NXT'S had some great moments over the the year and in my opinion better matches, but these weekly episodes have been far more refreshing and engaging....

Sasori
August 9th, 2020, 9:56 PM
I didn't know this was a thing until I saw it pop up today: Jericho apparently had Fozzy concerts this past week. They were either outdoor shows or indoor ones with 35-50% capacity. He said they "hand out masks at the door, do temperature checks, all that sort of stuff." Apparently the shows were in North and South Dakota, and Iowa. This really doesn't seem smart, especially from an optics perspective.

Is Fozzy on tour or were these just random concerts? This seems ill advised to say the least.

BGMaverick
August 10th, 2020, 12:05 AM
Is Fozzy on tour or were these just random concerts? This seems ill advised to say the least.

These are dates that were part of their rescheduled tour, I believe.

Sasori
August 11th, 2020, 12:57 PM
Well, here's part two. I skipped through the first match. The second one is watchable. It's funny how they said Ivelisse and Diamante have never teamed together, but the matching hats and bandanas they've worn to the ring already made them look like a tag team, lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-a8umBNnIA

JuveLeo
August 12th, 2020, 8:41 PM
It would be amazing if Scorpio Sky won the TNT title, but i can't see that happening for free

BGMaverick
August 12th, 2020, 11:55 PM
I've said it multiple times but the point still remains unchanged: Uno and Grayson are a really great team with a weird gimmick.

I audibly laughed when Khan decided just to look into the camera when Moxley was by their version of gorilla and they just slowly panned away to get him off screen.

The next shot across the bow of the Wednesday Night Wars came in the form of ... Mike Chioda. Good for him, for real. No real obvious reason why such a tenured guy like him got canned so I'm glad he landed on his feet. I do think they're slowly continuing to plant the seeds for a turn with Cody. That feels like a long play that's going to be impactful. He was noble initially with the open challenges, started getting careless, now adding taunting, monikers, and entourages. Good match between the two of them. Good promo by Lee after the fact. Also, looks like they finally finished the TNT title, and it looks nice.

Blanchard was great with his promo. It was a nice juxtaposition to everyone marking out for each other prior to that. Good execution of FTR taking out Rock 'n' Roll. They seem to be good for a nostalgic team to take a beating lol.

Another light night for AEW and the women. Sheesh. You'd think they'd hear criticism about that and do something to correct that. At least they showed stuff about their tournament.

Jericho/Cassidy? Ooof. That was certainly a sloppy finish and Jericho just didn't look all that great. I'm glad they followed through with an up-and-comer getting a big win but it didn't off all that great.

Their timing seemed quite a bit off, as a whole.

NWo4LifeOr2Years
August 13th, 2020, 3:42 AM
That was one of the more enjoyable weeks from beginning to end.
the matches were engaging and with a point as opposed to endless Spotfests without reason.
Loved FTR taking out Ricky Morton. Maybe they can explain why?
...or Tully can continue the Shawn Spears angle on Cody?
these people in their 'creative' (Khan, the 'evp's lol) need to stay on course when introducing incidents and angles and then not following through on them.

BGMaverick
August 13th, 2020, 10:40 AM
Seems like I can attribute my last point in my previous point to the fact it was done live. The consensus seems to be they haven't gotten their sea legs under them yet in terms of pacing/timing with live shows.

Sasori
August 13th, 2020, 12:53 PM
I think every time Rock and Roll Express show up, they get destroyed. That's kind of become their gimmick, lol. I was sure Shawn Spears was going to finally introduce his partner during the tag team brawl, but nada.

Jericho/Cassidy definitely didn't replicate the magic from their previous match. It looked like Jericho went down too soon when Cassidy was setting up the pin for the finish, but they had to go with it. It's a shame it turned out that way, but still a big win for OC.

BGMaverick
August 13th, 2020, 4:23 PM
Week 01: 1,409,000 viewers
Week 02: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week 03: 1,014,000 viewers
Week 04: 963,000 viewers
Week 05: 759,000 viewers
Week 06: 822,000 viewers
Week 07: 957,000 viewers
Week 08: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week 09: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers
Week 19: 817,000 viewers
Week 20: 893,000 viewers
Week 21: 865,000 viewers
Week 22: 906,000 viewers
Week 23: 766,000 viewers
Week 24: 932,000 viewers
Week 25: 819,000 viewers
Week 26: 685,000 viewers
Week 27: 692,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 28: 683,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 29: 731,000 viewers
Week 30: 693,000 viewers
Week 31: 732,000 viewers
Week 32: 654,000 viewers
Week 33: 701,000 viewers
Week 34: 827,000 viewers
Week 35: 730,000 viewers
Week 36: 677,000 viewers
Week 37: 772,000 viewers
Week 38: 633,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 39: 748,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 40: 715,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 41: 788,000 viewers
Week 42: 845,000 viewers
Week 43: 773,000 viewers
Week 44: 901,000 viewers
Week 45: 792,000 viewers

JuveLeo
August 13th, 2020, 9:52 PM
The next shot across the bow of the Wednesday Night Wars came in the form of ... Mike Chioda. Good for him, for real. No real obvious reason why such a tenured guy like him got canned so I'm glad he landed on his feet. I do think they're slowly continuing to plant the seeds for a turn with Cody. That feels like a long play that's going to be impactful. He was noble initially with the open challenges, started getting careless, now adding taunting, monikers, and entourages. Good match between the two of them. Good promo by Lee after the fact. Also, looks like they finally finished the TNT title, and it looks nice.I'm happy Mike Chioda is back on television. It sucked when WWE canned him back in April during those roster cuts.

Not sure if it's just me, but i'm getting sick of Cody being the champ. I think a heel turn would benefit him seeing as he comes across as a fake good guy... in my eyes anyway.

HHHnFoley_Rulez
August 14th, 2020, 2:22 AM
You know I skim all wrestling shows more or less now, I wasn't sure if Cody was meant to be a good guy or a bad guy...? Is it not just me? He come's across like a prick, his wife is incredibly unlikable... I thought maybe that was his gimmick / the point of it.

As soon as I saw Mike Chioda I thought "Please don't make a big deal of it" .. but they did.. twice..

Oh well.

Peter Griffin
August 14th, 2020, 3:37 AM
Cody is a face, But he is on his way to the dark side I think.

Romford Pele
August 14th, 2020, 4:23 PM
Wow, i didn't expect the ratings to spike that much. I assume viewers tuned to see Matt Cardona? It was an excellent episode last night though. AEW has been on quite the roll as of late.

:lol:

JuveLeo
August 14th, 2020, 4:40 PM
:lol:
Woo Woo Woo.

NWo4LifeOr2Years
August 14th, 2020, 9:46 PM
Cody is a face, But he is on his way to the dark side I think.

Cody said in an interview recently that the concept of babyfaces and heels is archaic and confining so one must therefore assume he (and all AEW also?) are not using the time honored tradition that pro wrestling is built upon.

Other than Inner Circle vs The Elite, they haven't done any fueds with multiple matches in them, also a staple in pro wrestling. So they must think they're one the cutting edge of changing the way wrestling is done.

They certainly have been doing that in other ways too; no need to mention them and get the discussion off track.

Morrison
August 15th, 2020, 12:52 AM
Cody said in an interview recently that the concept of babyfaces and heels is archaic and confining so one must therefore assume he (and all AEW also?) are not using the time honored tradition that pro wrestling is built upon.

Other than Inner Circle vs The Elite, they haven't done any fueds with multiple matches in them, also a staple in pro wrestling. So they must think they're one the cutting edge of changing the way wrestling is done.

They certainly have been doing that in other ways too; no need to mention them and get the discussion off track.

pac and hangman page had three matches. pac and kenny had three matches. orange cassidy and jericho just had their second match. moxley and darby have had two matches, albeit it's not a traditional rivalry. they're not running a wwe-type format where they ignite a feud and then it lasts over the course of three or four ppv's. this kind of booking isn't cutting edge, and they know it, cause they were all in new japan. it's pretty cutting edge for an american based company with a weekly, nationally televised show, i guess.

Chris Scott
August 15th, 2020, 3:32 PM
Decent show this week, not as good as usual. It seemed off for some reason the matches seemed very slow paced at times too.

No Matt this week? Not even an interview saying why he’s here or about his match last week? Weird.

Finally FTR turned heels and can properly feud with The Young Bucks

chatty
August 16th, 2020, 5:46 PM
Decent show this week, not as good as usual. It seemed off for some reason the matches seemed very slow paced at times too.

No Matt this week? Not even an interview saying why he’s here or about his match last week? Weird.

Finally FTR turned heels and can properly feud with The Young Bucks

Matt was on, cut a promo on Sammy.

BGMaverick
August 16th, 2020, 7:07 PM
Matt was on, cut a promo on Sammy.

He meant the other one. The new one, Cardona.

Chris Scott
August 16th, 2020, 8:17 PM
Yeah meant MC. Thought the MH promo was good, I like pissed off Hardy.

JuveLeo
August 18th, 2020, 12:38 AM
I read that the Nightmare Sisters are in the final of the tag tournament... what a joke. They're definitely winning the whole thing. Pretty embarrassing, considering they're both horrendous in the ring.

Badger
August 18th, 2020, 12:21 PM
Just caught up with Dynamite, agreed on the finish to Jericho/OC. First match was better and the ending was botched and a bit lacking.

Also cut away too quick at the end cutting into OC’s celebration time. I would’ve had him celebrate and pour orange juice on Jericho again.

The tag team segment with FTR pulling the swerve was very well done.

Also why did Sammy not try to help as well?

Sasori
August 18th, 2020, 5:59 PM
Thanks to Botchamania, I know what Cassidy was going for.

https://i.imgur.com/eevwYEx.gif

Badger
August 18th, 2020, 6:04 PM
Man lacks a good finisher and superman punch move....ehh no. Tbh not thrilled with Jericho’s current one either. Judas effect’s the worst one he’s had. Weak.

Psycho666Soldier
August 19th, 2020, 12:21 AM
I don't mind the Judas Effect because it's been put over as this kill move that almost no one kicks out of(I think Moxley did once?). I'm cool with that being a finish for Orange Cassidy, but it doesn't really work as a feud-ender. I think he could use something with more impact to at least switch it up.

Great episode this week. The tag matches were all pretty good to great, with some teams getting to show out more than usual, like The Dark Order. FTR's turn was sorely needed, and even though I felt it was telegraphed by them putting together this Tag Team Appreciation Night, it was still handled very well with the bait-and-switch via Tully.

Unfortunate that the main event was a bit sloppy. I felt both the finish and the last dragon screw were fucked up. But I felt that it was mostly still enjoyable, with some strong moments before. I liked everything from Cassidy faking being worn out to the dirty finish tease a lot. Orange getting the win was the right move here. I'd be good with a rubber match, but would like to see them go separate ways and maybe save their next encounter for when there's a crowd.

Bert
August 22nd, 2020, 6:58 PM
This MJF promo is amazing. He went to Jericho's school of promos for sure. "Papa. Papa." :lol:

VHS
August 22nd, 2020, 9:16 PM
Thunder Rosa coming to AEW is huge. So proud of her... AND she's bringing the NWA belt w/ her. So fucking awesome.

Peter Griffin
August 22nd, 2020, 9:42 PM
You her dad?

Morrison
August 22nd, 2020, 10:12 PM
You her dad?

he does this for anybody who happened to exist in the same space as him while he recorded/photographed indie shows.

Bert
August 22nd, 2020, 11:25 PM
Mr. Brodie FUCKING Lee.

I just hope they still have Dark Order skits on BTE.

JuveLeo
August 23rd, 2020, 12:44 AM
Ricky Starks has really been impressing me. Dude has phenomenal promo skills, plays the heel role great and has solid ring skill. Nice to see him get a push with him feuding v Darby.

Sasori
August 23rd, 2020, 12:48 AM
I can't believe they pulled the trigger on Lee!

JuveLeo
August 23rd, 2020, 1:59 AM
I'm surprised Lee won on TV instead of a PPV. But what's even more shocking is that it was basically a squash match. I definitely didn't think it'd pan out like that.

Jarrod1983
August 23rd, 2020, 1:23 PM
I just saw Lee demolish Cody. Dam, that was some good TV. Good for Brodie. A meaningful spot should have happened years ago for him.

Donald
August 23rd, 2020, 2:39 PM
I just saw Lee demolish Cody. Dam, that was some good TV. Good for Brodie. A meaningful spot should have happened years ago for him.

He has a meaningful bald spot.

Chris Scott
August 25th, 2020, 7:13 AM
Ricky Starks has really been impressing me. Dude has phenomenal promo skills, plays the heel role great and has solid ring skill. Nice to see him get a push with him feuding v Darby.

Finally watched AEW last night, another good show. I was thinking during the first hour we better see Cage and Starks. Status has been great, very good stuff again from him. Can’t wait for his match with Darby.

Chris Scott
August 25th, 2020, 7:30 AM
Cody winning ever week on tv gets shit on, then he puts over Lee big time gets shit on. He can’t win can he? I was surprised it was a squash and on tv but oh well it’s done now. Interesting to see where Cody knows now with his character.

Lance Archer just do something with him please. No Matt Cardona again? No sure if he was on Dark.

BGMaverick
August 25th, 2020, 11:40 AM
Week 01: 1,409,000 viewers
Week 02: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week 03: 1,014,000 viewers
Week 04: 963,000 viewers
Week 05: 759,000 viewers
Week 06: 822,000 viewers
Week 07: 957,000 viewers
Week 08: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week 09: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers
Week 19: 817,000 viewers
Week 20: 893,000 viewers
Week 21: 865,000 viewers
Week 22: 906,000 viewers
Week 23: 766,000 viewers
Week 24: 932,000 viewers
Week 25: 819,000 viewers
Week 26: 685,000 viewers
Week 27: 692,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 28: 683,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 29: 731,000 viewers
Week 30: 693,000 viewers
Week 31: 732,000 viewers
Week 32: 654,000 viewers
Week 33: 701,000 viewers
Week 34: 827,000 viewers
Week 35: 730,000 viewers
Week 36: 677,000 viewers
Week 37: 772,000 viewers
Week 38: 633,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 39: 748,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 40: 715,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 41: 788,000 viewers
Week 42: 845,000 viewers
Week 43: 773,000 viewers
Week 44: 901,000 viewers
Week 45: 792,000 viewers
Week 46: 755,000 viewers (aired on Saturday)

Sasori
August 25th, 2020, 12:44 PM
That's a good number for airing on a different day and getting preempted for 30 min.

Psycho666Soldier
August 25th, 2020, 4:29 PM
Cody winning ever week on tv gets shit on, then he puts over Lee big time gets shit on. He can’t win can he? I was surprised it was a squash and on tv but oh well it’s done now. Interesting to see where Cody knows now with his character.

Lance Archer just do something with him please. No Matt Cardona again? No sure if he was on Dark.

Have people been shitting on Cody for putting over Lee the way he did? Because I thought it was brilliant, personally.

Sasori
August 25th, 2020, 6:24 PM
The Dark Order celebrated Brodie's TNT title win in style.....with Chili's, lol. They're pretty entertaining in a more relaxed setting backstage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZPLyRtvU04&list=TLPQMjUwODIwMjDB6ds4qYq7-w&index=2

Evil Uno: "I bought a life size cut out of Mr. Brodie Lee. He watches me sleep, man!" :lol:

BGMaverick
August 25th, 2020, 8:36 PM
Passing thoughts:

- Did they explain why Tully joined FTR? Seems like a notable transaction of sorts to have go down without an explanation.

- Moxley has hit his groove with promos. I felt like several months ago they weren't giving him enough time or opportunities to rock on the mic. Glad they're letting him go now. MJF continues to deliver with his promos, as well.

- Jericho has more than earned the benefit of the doubt but the idea of more Jericho/Cassidy and this stipulation seem meh.

- The Elite/Dark Order probably would have been the match I started Dynamite with, in light of the circumstances. You've got a chance to capture uniques who got stuck on TNT after the game was over so I'd put The Elite on TV right away to try to keep them on board.

- They've got to be creative when holding The Young Bucks and FTR apart from each other in the gauntlet match. That's a money match and you don't want it wasted in a casual, not direct setting like the gauntlet match.

- Time and attention has paid off for Dark Order. Remember the last segment on Dynamite in 2019? Remember how it was a disaster? It was essentially the same type of setup for this angle and it worked much, much better.

Sasori
August 25th, 2020, 10:32 PM
Alvarez also brought up the point that Tully became FTR's manager without addressing the situation with Arn. Maybe they were saving it until after Cody lost the TNT title and will bring it up tomorrow.

BGMaverick
August 25th, 2020, 10:32 PM
Alvarez also brought up the point that Tully became FTR's manager without addressing the situation with Arn. Maybe they were saving it until after Cody lost the TNT title and will bring it up THURSDAY.

Fixed it for you.

Sasori
August 25th, 2020, 10:34 PM
I keep forgetting that their schedule is in flux because of Basketball :dunce:

Chris Scott
August 26th, 2020, 10:03 AM
The Dark Order celebrated Brodie's TNT title win in style.....with Chili's, lol. They're pretty entertaining in a more relaxed setting backstage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZPLyRtvU04&list=TLPQMjUwODIwMjDB6ds4qYq7-w&index=2

Evil Uno: "I bought a life size cut out of Mr. Brodie Lee. He watches me sleep, man!" :lol:

:lol I love these segments they do.

What happened to Colt by the way? Have I missed something?

Chris Scott
August 26th, 2020, 10:04 AM
Have people been shitting on Cody for putting over Lee the way he did? Because I thought it was brilliant, personally.

Basically the fans on Twitter and Facebook forums really, the usual warriors.

Like you mentioned it was brilliantly done.

Psycho666Soldier
August 26th, 2020, 10:06 AM
:lol I love these segments they do.

What happened to Colt by the way? Have I missed something?

The Best Friends attempted to kill Brandon Cutler by covering his face in hot gold. In failing horribly, they covered Colt's face in hot gold and gave him a handjob.

Murder's hard.

Chris Scott
August 26th, 2020, 11:48 AM
Was that a Vince agreed script?

Murphy
August 27th, 2020, 4:54 AM
I read the spoiler about Brodie Lee before I saw the show, but was amazed at the nature of it.

Bloody brilliant.

And they played up the fact that Cody was on every week, was beat up etc. With the post-match stuff, I'm assuming there will be a rematch at All Out.

Sasori
August 27th, 2020, 1:01 PM
With Cody defending the title every week, they can argue that he was emotionally and physically spent. He's been trying way too hard to keep the belt so he had nothing left for Lee. It's good logic.

JuveLeo
August 27th, 2020, 1:18 PM
I read the spoiler about Brodie Lee before I saw the show, but was amazed at the nature of it.

Bloody brilliant.

And they played up the fact that Cody was on every week, was beat up etc. With the post-match stuff, I'm assuming there will be a rematch at All Out.
I read Cody will be off TV for while. I suppose to show the beating he took from Brodie was severe.

Sasori
August 28th, 2020, 2:03 PM
Pretty darn good show. The shocking actions of Page, Lee suspending the TNT open challenges, and a nice brawl between Cassidy and Jericho to end the show. And that cut on Sammy's head looked nasty :eek: I especially loved how Cassidy tore ass across the stage as soon as the main event was over to go after Jericho. Really hammers home how heated this feud has become.

Chris Scott
August 28th, 2020, 4:11 PM
Dam was a pretty good show. I know Cassidy’s down his part but Jericho in any feud is just great.

Also I don’t know why but Archer vs Cage got me going.

Tim
August 28th, 2020, 4:35 PM
How are they able to have fans but no one else can?

BGMaverick
August 28th, 2020, 5:05 PM
Week 01: 1,409,000 viewers
Week 02: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week 03: 1,014,000 viewers
Week 04: 963,000 viewers
Week 05: 759,000 viewers
Week 06: 822,000 viewers
Week 07: 957,000 viewers
Week 08: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week 09: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers
Week 19: 817,000 viewers
Week 20: 893,000 viewers
Week 21: 865,000 viewers
Week 22: 906,000 viewers
Week 23: 766,000 viewers
Week 24: 932,000 viewers
Week 25: 819,000 viewers
Week 26: 685,000 viewers
Week 27: 692,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 28: 683,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 29: 731,000 viewers
Week 30: 693,000 viewers
Week 31: 732,000 viewers
Week 32: 654,000 viewers
Week 33: 701,000 viewers
Week 34: 827,000 viewers
Week 35: 730,000 viewers
Week 36: 677,000 viewers
Week 37: 772,000 viewers
Week 38: 633,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 39: 748,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 40: 715,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 41: 788,000 viewers
Week 42: 845,000 viewers
Week 43: 773,000 viewers
Week 44: 901,000 viewers
Week 45: 792,000 viewers
Week 46: 755,000 viewers (aired on Saturday)
Week 47: 813,000 viewers (aired on Thursday)

Sasori
August 28th, 2020, 11:17 PM
How are they able to have fans but no one else can?

Maybe because they own the building?

BGMaverick
August 30th, 2020, 11:43 AM
There felt like there was a lot of talking on this episode, more than usual. Maybe a 15-minute talking segment will do that. At least it mainly served a purpose and wasn't meandering more than not (MJF was guilty of dragging things but it had its entertaining moments). The contract signing was cliche but at least the two guys in it were on top of their game with the gabbing.

I'm not really sure what to make of the stuff with Hangman and The Bucks. If I'm looking at the situation, they're playing into the Hangman from BTE who was just was an alcoholic that was trying to cope with his emotions. The Dynamite Hangman felt like a guy who could be an alcoholic that just likes to come in, drink, be a difference maker, and leave. That's what attracted people to him but this could be a zag where it's not leaning into that. If it's a long play to circle back to the Hangman people love, they're playing with fire a bit because this story has dragged for an incredibly long time. I'm just glad that the story might finally be advancing.

The Dark Order segment went through a lot of stuff in their segment. It was kind of silly at first but it got good when Lee talked. Cardona being the lead guy while Cody is out in this angle seems a bit rich.

The handicap match was elementary in a lot of ways. Not very good. Why did Penelope, the one is allegedly a wrestler, need to be the one pinned?

I did like that the tables match stipulation was altered where the finish came where the accidental going through a table didn't signal the finish of the match. Good change.

Psycho666Soldier
August 30th, 2020, 11:50 AM
They definitely showed emotional drunk Hangman on Dynamite early on. They just leaned harder into the drunk badass. I think this whole angle is just meant to keep people guessing and make you wonder if Hangman is going to help screw Kenny over to give FTR the titles. But what will actually happen is Hangman will trust FTR more than he should, and they will specifically screw him over in some way to sort of kick him back to his senses and kick-off the path to payoff for what this whole angle has been.

Either that or a swerve where Kenny screws Hangman and goes full heel, because I'm gonna be shocked if Kenny's recent character arc doesn't end with him turning.

BGMaverick
August 30th, 2020, 12:19 PM
They definitely showed emotional drunk Hangman on Dynamite early on. They just leaned harder into the drunk badass. I think this whole angle is just meant to keep people guessing and make you wonder if Hangman is going to help screw Kenny over to give FTR the titles. But what will actually happen is Hangman will trust FTR more than he should, and they will specifically screw him over in some way to sort of kick him back to his senses and kick-off the path to payoff for what this whole angle has been.

Either that or a swerve where Kenny screws Hangman and goes full heel, because I'm gonna be shocked if Kenny's recent character arc doesn't end with him turning.

They'll have to be very effective with whatever they plan to work with because something they really haven't implemented yet as a storyline development are turns.

NWo4LifeOr2Years
August 30th, 2020, 6:35 PM
I was glad to see Cowboy Adam Page finally do sumtin besides take another sip on that iced tea of his.
although I think I could do without the black make-up around his eyes to make him look more forlorn (I guess)

Nash Diesel
August 31st, 2020, 2:02 PM
Just remember AEW die hards, the next time you try to talk shit about anything the WWE is putting out there or any other promotion, look at the garbage on the upcoming ppv lol. 2 good matches on paper, the World title match and the tag-team title match. And I'm being nice about the World title match because while I am a fan of MJF, he belongs in the World title mix as much as Double J in 1995 did. But then again, it is AEW, they're talent pool isn't as big as NJPW or WWE so they have to work with what they've got.

WHAT THE FUCK is Jericho v. Orange Cassidy? Probably the dumbest fucking gimmick match I've heard of in the 21st century and I've heard and seen some pretty pathetic gimmick matches. Loser gets dumped in a tub of Sex and the City drinks? The Demo God looking for that female 38-68 demo?

Psycho666Soldier
August 31st, 2020, 2:36 PM
Is the only thing you find garbage that match? Because I think the card look perfectly fine. Maybe not a huge wow factor, but it's a solid group of matches. And honestly, I think MJF is main event ready enough to pull the trigger if that's what they're thinking here. I agree the Mimosa Mayhem gimmick is kind of silly for a feud-ender, but I'm down for one more Y2JOC match since the last two have been solid. And if Jericho gets dumped, you know he's going to sell the fuck out of that.

Only match that really looks meh to me is the Dark Order vs. Cody's Friends match.

Donald
August 31st, 2020, 2:58 PM
Is this only available on PPV, or is the an OTT service this streams on?

Chris Scott
August 31st, 2020, 3:28 PM
Only match that really looks meh to me is the Dark Order vs. Cody's Friends match.

They had to get the ten man tag in there somehow, they love those.

Chris Scott
August 31st, 2020, 3:31 PM
Just remember AEW die hards, the next time you try to talk shit about anything the WWE is putting out there or any other promotion, look at the garbage on the upcoming ppv lol. 2 good matches on paper, the World title match and the tag-team title match. And I'm being nice about the World title match because while I am a fan of MJF, he belongs in the World title mix as much as Double J in 1995 did. But then again, it is AEW, they're talent pool isn't as big as NJPW or WWE so they have to work with what they've got.

WHAT THE FUCK is Jericho v. Orange Cassidy? Probably the dumbest fucking gimmick match I've heard of in the 21st century and I've heard and seen some pretty pathetic gimmick matches. Loser gets dumped in a tub of Sex and the City drinks? The Demo God looking for that female 38-68 demo?

Calm down, it’s a good card. Good build up for the main matches.

Nash Diesel
August 31st, 2020, 3:43 PM
Is the only thing you find garbage that match? Because I think the card look perfectly fine. Maybe not a huge wow factor, but it's a solid group of matches. And honestly, I think MJF is main event ready enough to pull the trigger if that's what they're thinking here. I agree the Mimosa Mayhem gimmick is kind of silly for a feud-ender, but I'm down for one more Y2JOC match since the last two have been solid. And if Jericho gets dumped, you know he's going to sell the fuck out of that.

Only match that really looks meh to me is the Dark Order vs. Cody's Friends match.

Like I said, 2 matches on paper look good and 1 of those 2 matches I'm being generous because I fucking love Moxley and I think MJF is a dope midcard villain.

The rest of the show looks mediocre, the OC v. Jericho gimmick is fucking stupid. I like both wrestlers, I liked their matches, I can't get into this bullshit but hey, it's wrestling in 2020. There used to be a time where this level of cornball was mainly for Divas like Torrie Wilson and some stupid shit in PWG or CHIKARA.

The women's match is going to live up to all the other women's title matches and suck. They haven't given me a single women's match in general that didn't completely fucking suck. Not a fan of the cluster fuck battle royal or the 8-man jobber tag-team match.

So again, on paper, this card looks fucking whack. I'm quite possibly a borderline AEW diehard, the only difference is I don't pretend like AEW doesn't do the same if not worse dumbass shit than the WWE and other promotions.



Calm down, it’s a good card. Good build up for the main matches.

Fuck your calm lol.

Decent build for the main matches. Especially the tag-team title match. Everything else. Meh.

Sasori
August 31st, 2020, 3:45 PM
Cassidy v Jericho only really got going when OC dumped all that OJ on the Inner Circle. The Mimosa Mayhem match is the natural conclusion to this feud. Haters gonna hate.

Nash Diesel
August 31st, 2020, 4:09 PM
Cassidy v Jericho only really got going when OC dumped all that OJ on the Inner Circle. The Mimosa Mayhem match is the natural conclusion to this feud. Haters gonna hate.

LOL. Haters gonna hate. I guess if being a grown ass adult finding a 50+ year old and Fire Ant wrestling for the hopes of throwing the other in some chick drink from 1998 makes me a "hater".....Sure.

Again, this kind of buffoonery isn't just for the WWE. Even they wouldn't do something this fucking stupid with one of their top guys. I'd almost rather have Jericho attempt to fuck OC's dead gf on live tv than even hear about a gimmick match like this. What the fuck....natural conclusion.......Cue the AEW apologists pretending people like Jericho and Brodie Lee and the rest are somehow treated so much better creatively.

I don't remember Jericho in his prime in the main event wrestling Austin or Triple H in a "Throw me in your grandma's favorite drink" match lol.

Bert
August 31st, 2020, 4:46 PM
I don't know how you can argue Brodie Lee hasn't been treated better in AEW. He squashed Cody for a belt in 3 minutes.

Psycho666Soldier
August 31st, 2020, 5:16 PM
Like I said, 2 matches on paper look good and 1 of those 2 matches I'm being generous because I fucking love Moxley and I think MJF is a dope midcard villain.

The rest of the show looks mediocre, the OC v. Jericho gimmick is fucking stupid. I like both wrestlers, I liked their matches, I can't get into this bullshit but hey, it's wrestling in 2020. There used to be a time where this level of cornball was mainly for Divas like Torrie Wilson and some stupid shit in PWG or CHIKARA.

The women's match is going to live up to all the other women's title matches and suck. They haven't given me a single women's match in general that didn't completely fucking suck. Not a fan of the cluster fuck battle royal or the 8-man jobber tag-team match.

So again, on paper, this card looks fucking whack. I'm quite possibly a borderline AEW diehard, the only difference is I don't pretend like AEW doesn't do the same if not worse dumbass shit than the WWE and other promotions.




Fuck your calm lol.

Decent build for the main matches. Especially the tag-team title match. Everything else. Meh.

I personally like Shida and am intrigued to see how Thunder Rosa does. I think the only thing about Y2J and OC that's been cornball in a negative way is the match gimmick itself, but as Sasori said, it's a fairly logical conclusion. Not my favorite, but I'll wait to see it before I dog it.

I don't think you have to be a non-AEW diehard to see the faults, nor do you have to be one to just enjoy the card on its own merits. I call out the things I don't like about AEW all the time, but it's still the product that excites me the most right now.

Nash Diesel
August 31st, 2020, 5:17 PM
I don't know how you can argue Brodie Lee hasn't been treated better in AEW. He squashed Cody for a belt in 3 minutes.

lol. Oh wow. Remind me again why that matters? He probably squashed Cody in less than 3 minutes as Luke Harper. Even in AEW, despite his self-serving booking, is nothing more than a midcarder with the IC title. And I dare anyone to argue that Dashing Cody with the IC strap is somehow less than the Cody Hearst Helmsley.

At this point, I'll take Stardust. At least that dude was feuding with Green Arrow and not a bunch of lames.

Nash Diesel
August 31st, 2020, 5:22 PM
I personally like Shida and am intrigued to see how Thunder Rosa does. I think the only thing about Y2J and OC that's been cornball in a negative way is the match gimmick itself, but as Sasori said, it's a fairly logical conclusion. Not my favorite, but I'll wait to see it before I dog it.

I don't think you have to be a non-AEW diehard to see the faults, nor do you have to be one to just enjoy the card on its own merits. I call out the things I don't like about AEW all the time, but it's still the product that excites me the most right now.

I like Shida, but her opponent is not good. That's been AEW's biggest negative other than Brandi Rhodes....The women's division fucking sucks. It has 1 good wrestler, Shida. She's actually very good. Problem is, the rest of the roster is jank. It's so bad Britt Baker is considered a top tier player.

But this is the current wrestling landscape. The promoters have dumbed down pro wrestling so much you're either like us where we just take what we're given and make the best of it, or you're fucking naive and don't know any better so you think barely getting a million viewers=the fucking shit! That isn't just AEW exclusive. I barely shit on them, I barely speak on them, but I'm coming from a place today where one of my absolute best friends tried to tell me that Roman winning the title last night was the most absurd booking ever and then championed the upcoming AEW show.

Once I pointed out the Jericho match, dude shut the fuck up lol.

Bert
August 31st, 2020, 5:25 PM
lol. Oh wow. Remind me again why that matters? He probably squashed Cody in less than 3 minutes as Luke Harper. Even in AEW, despite his self-serving booking, is nothing more than a midcarder with the IC title. And I dare anyone to argue that Dashing Cody with the IC strap is somehow less than the Cody Hearst Helmsley.

At this point, I'll take Stardust. At least that dude was feuding with Green Arrow and not a bunch of lames.

Luke Harper never did shit. That's my whole point. It matters because it's made him and his stable huge names instantly after Cody's had so many 15 minute matches with people who could never get it done.

Cody doesn't come across as a midcarder at all, he was in the AEW title picture last year. Do you even watch the show or are you AEW Defrost?

Nash Diesel
August 31st, 2020, 5:33 PM
Luke Harper never did shit. That's my whole point. It matters because it's made him and his stable huge names instantly after Cody's had so many 15 minute matches with people who could never get it done.

Cody doesn't come across as a midcarder at all, he was in the AEW title picture last year. Do you even watch the show or are you AEW Defrost?

Don't gloss over my posts and you'll see the praise I constantly give AEW. Even in this discussion.

Did you ever once watch Luke Harper in WWE or are you just being a mark? Multi-time IC champion. Multi-time tag-team champion. If the motherfucker didn't get injured every 2 months he might've had a bigger push, a better run. But if you're doing nothing but getting injured and then bitching online and in interviews about how you're not getting this or that.....Kind of hard for a company the size of WWE to really invest.

All Luke Harper is now is a wannabe Bray Wyatt. Nothing original about this dude. He wasn't even the guy they wrote the role for.

Oh wow, Cody was in the title picture last year. Sweet! He booked himself to challenge Jericho and then booked himself to win a fucking title tournament so that way at least half of the wrestlers who are "executives" have gold. I mean, why else would they have 10 awesome tag-teams and put the gold on the waist of 2 top singles guys for the last 10 months? Self-serving.

I'm sure you're the same person who pops off about the Klik having all the gold in 1995 lol.

Bert
September 1st, 2020, 4:33 PM
Don't gloss over my posts and you'll see the praise I constantly give AEW. Even in this discussion.

Did you ever once watch Luke Harper in WWE or are you just being a mark? Multi-time IC champion. Multi-time tag-team champion. If the motherfucker didn't get injured every 2 months he might've had a bigger push, a better run. But if you're doing nothing but getting injured and then bitching online and in interviews about how you're not getting this or that.....Kind of hard for a company the size of WWE to really invest.

All Luke Harper is now is a wannabe Bray Wyatt. Nothing original about this dude. He wasn't even the guy they wrote the role for.

Oh wow, Cody was in the title picture last year. Sweet! He booked himself to challenge Jericho and then booked himself to win a fucking title tournament so that way at least half of the wrestlers who are "executives" have gold. I mean, why else would they have 10 awesome tag-teams and put the gold on the waist of 2 top singles guys for the last 10 months? Self-serving.

I'm sure you're the same person who pops off about the Klik having all the gold in 1995 lol.

Vince is on record hating him for not being able to do a southern accent. I never heard him bitch about anything until after he was released. He "booked himself" but Tony Kahn has the final say on everything. The bucks talked about how they wanted to lose matches and Tony told them no. In addition to being executives they're also the biggest stars in the company so they can't really win (in the sense of making people happy). If they were jobbing or midcarders everyone would say why are you booking yourselves that way. The tag division is long term booking it will mean even more when FTR wins the belts now.

I was 5 in 95.

Kev
September 1st, 2020, 11:18 PM
Man, your posts are exhausting Nash.

You don't really come across like a "borderline diehard" fan, but hopefully there's some stuff on the PPV that ends up entertaining you if you end up watching it.

I think for me the only match I have my doubts around is Mox/MJF, but that's more because I haven't really enjoyed MJF's matches as much as I have others on this brand. It's interesting that Moxley has faced some real giants as of late like Brian Cage and Brodie Lee and fended them all off... but this instead appears to be his biggest threat. I've felt that they were more credible and had more of a main event feel to them.

But this company constantly does things that don't initially make sense to me and I end up loving most of it anyway.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 1:11 AM
The one thing I feel like AEW really needs to work on is making it super obvious when a spot is coming up. Don't show the people on the ground obviously waiting to catch someone. It was super noticable when they had the 8 man tag a few weeks back. Even JRs rambling couldn't distract me from it.

NWo4LifeOr2Years
September 2nd, 2020, 1:40 AM
I don't know how you can argue Brodie Lee hasn't been treated better in AEW. He squashed Cody for a belt in 3 minutes.

Some people will argue anything no matter how absurd. Look at the USA right now for example.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 11:01 AM
Man, your posts are exhausting Nash.

You don't really come across like a "borderline diehard" fan, but hopefully there's some stuff on the PPV that ends up entertaining you if you end up watching it.

I think for me the only match I have my doubts around is Mox/MJF, but that's more because I haven't really enjoyed MJF's matches as much as I have others on this brand. It's interesting that Moxley has faced some real giants as of late like Brian Cage and Brodie Lee and fended them all off... but this instead appears to be his biggest threat. I've felt that they were more credible and had more of a main event feel to them.

But this company constantly does things that don't initially make sense to me and I end up loving most of it anyway.

Then don't read/respond to them Big Kev lol.

See, I think the MJF/Moxley match is one of the few matches to look forward to. Like I've said a few times, ON PAPER, the show doesn't look that good. But I've seen enough wrestling in the last 35 years of being a fan to know that what's on paper and what's on tv, can be totally different.


Some people will argue anything no matter how absurd. Look at the USA right now for example.

Coming from you this is rich, Jeff Bezos rich.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 11:02 AM
Vince is on record hating him for not being able to do a southern accent. I never heard him bitch about anything until after he was released. He "booked himself" but Tony Kahn has the final say on everything. The bucks talked about how they wanted to lose matches and Tony told them no. In addition to being executives they're also the biggest stars in the company so they can't really win (in the sense of making people happy). If they were jobbing or midcarders everyone would say why are you booking yourselves that way. The tag division is long term booking it will mean even more when FTR wins the belts now.

I was 5 in 95.

No, LUKE HARPER is on record saying Vince had issue with him not doing a southern accent. I'm sorry if the only interviews you ever listened/read by him were post-WWE but I've been a fan of this man for over 10 years when I heard him do an interview pre-WWE about being a Washington Redskins fan. He's done many interviews, mostly were him bitching about something. Maybe that's just his personality.

You were 5 in 1995 which explains more than I need to know.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 11:13 AM
I don't feel like you're last sentence makes sense, consistent with most of your posts though.

Anyway, big show tonight. I'm excited and rumors are Excalibur will be back so I hope that's true.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 11:28 AM
I don't feel like you're last sentence makes sense, consistent with most of your posts though.

Anyway, big show tonight. I'm excited and rumors are Excalibur will be back so I hope that's true.

Yeah I bet a supporter of racism would hope for Excalibur to return.

The last sentence means you're part of a generation that I'm glad I missed yet sadly I have siblings that are your age that sound just as idiotic. Let's shun allegations of trying to get a dick pic from a 17 year old but hope a dumbass racist comes back on commentary.

All anyone has to do is see your weird defense of the Kenosha shooting to see why this isn't a shocker.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 11:36 AM
Yeah I bet a supporter of racism would hope for Excalibur to return.

The last sentence means you're part of a generation that I'm glad I missed yet sadly I have siblings that are your age that sound just as idiotic. Let's shun allegations of trying to get a dick pic from a 17 year old but hope a dumbass racist comes back on commentary.

All anyone has to do is see your weird defense of the Kenosha shooting to see why this isn't a shocker.
Typical false equivalence from a moron.

Human Tornado told Excalibur to call him a racial slur. He's admitted it. It was over 10 years ago. It's in no way comparable to child grooming multiple young boys. If it was Jungle Boy for some reason I'd say the same thing.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 11:41 AM
Typical false equivalence from a moron.

Human Tornado told Excalibur to call him a racial slur. He's admitted it. It was over 10 years ago. It's in no way comparable to child grooming multiple young boys. If it was Jungle Boy for some reason I'd say the same thing.

As a half black man I take exception to people making excuses. I don't give a fuck who told him to call him a racial slur or how long ago it was. There's no statute of limitations on being a dumb fuck as you're proving here.

The big difference is one has been proven to have happened and the other hasn't so....Trust me, we all know why you are taking issue with Dream and why you don't care about what Excalibur said 5-10 years ago.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 11:43 AM
As a half black man I take exception to people making excuses. I don't give a fuck who told him to call him a racial slur or how long ago it was. There's no statute of limitations on being a dumb fuck as you're proving here.

The big difference is one has been proven to have happened and the other hasn't so....Trust me, we all know why you are taking issue with Dream and why you don't care about what Excalibur said 5-10 years ago.

Ok, Shaun King.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 11:46 AM
Ok, Shaun King.

Who the fuck is Shaun King?

VHS
September 2nd, 2020, 12:01 PM
As a half black man I...

:rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJCrymG6lc

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 12:35 PM
Pretty sure this kid screenshotted me on his ignore list last week. Poor guy.

VHS
September 2nd, 2020, 12:46 PM
I don't want to hear what you have to say about anything outside of the wrestling sections. It fairs better.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 2:07 PM
I don't want to hear what you have to say about anything outside of the wrestling sections. It fairs better.

There you go now you sound like a fucking adult.

chatty
September 2nd, 2020, 2:21 PM
Don't gloss over my posts and you'll see the praise I constantly give AEW. Even in this discussion.

Did you ever once watch Luke Harper in WWE or are you just being a mark? Multi-time IC champion. Multi-time tag-team champion. If the motherfucker didn't get injured every 2 months he might've had a bigger push, a better run. But if you're doing nothing but getting injured and then bitching online and in interviews about how you're not getting this or that.....Kind of hard for a company the size of WWE to really invest.

All Luke Harper is now is a wannabe Bray Wyatt. Nothing original about this dude. He wasn't even the guy they wrote the role for.

Oh wow, Cody was in the title picture last year. Sweet! He booked himself to challenge Jericho and then booked himself to win a fucking title tournament so that way at least half of the wrestlers who are "executives" have gold. I mean, why else would they have 10 awesome tag-teams and put the gold on the waist of 2 top singles guys for the last 10 months? Self-serving.

I'm sure you're the same person who pops off about the Klik having all the gold in 1995 lol.

Tbh I think the pandemic has fucked up some of the booking. I'm not sure Lee was meant to be the exhaulted one but with no crowds and especially as the first show without was Lee's debut, which was meant to be his hometown it just made a sensical way of bringing him in and making some headlines.

Dont think Dark Order will last much longer once the crowds are fully back. Theyve been able to work through simply because the new Jobsquad hasnt been jeered out the building. Thats bout to change and Lee can head off on his own and we'll see what hes got.

Dont mind Codys booking he should be in the title picturex hes usually in the best matches and is one of the most over on the card, they are just trying to build a redemption arc for him thatll be long term. Now theyve established the TNT title and took it off him hell be back in the picture soon.

As for Omega/Page. I think it was meant to lead to a heel turn for one of them, they had really built it up and Page was getting over but then he was off for months and its sort of been on the backburner. Im expecting Omega to turn on Page since Page is more over and everyone expects Page to turn, I can see it at this PPV to get the belts on FTR.

Page v Omega after and have the Bucks turn heel there. Let Page continue his antihero role and theyve got most people in the right spots at that point.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 3:07 PM
Tbh I think the pandemic has fucked up some of the booking. I'm not sure Lee was meant to be the exhaulted one but with no crowds and especially as the first show without was Lee's debut, which was meant to be his hometown it just made a sensical way of bringing him in and making some headlines.

Dont think Dark Order will last much longer once the crowds are fully back. Theyve been able to work through simply because the new Jobsquad hasnt been jeered out the building. Thats bout to change and Lee can head off on his own and we'll see what hes got.

Dont mind Codys booking he should be in the title picturex hes usually in the best matches and is one of the most over on the card, they are just trying to build a redemption arc for him thatll be long term. Now theyve established the TNT title and took it off him hell be back in the picture soon.

As for Omega/Page. I think it was meant to lead to a heel turn for one of them, they had really built it up and Page was getting over but then he was off for months and its sort of been on the backburner. Im expecting Omega to turn on Page since Page is more over and everyone expects Page to turn, I can see it at this PPV to get the belts on FTR.

Page v Omega after and have the Bucks turn heel there. Let Page continue his antihero role and theyve got most people in the right spots at that point.

I'm not a fan of Adam Page. I can watch him if he's in a match but I could not care less about him. I understand he has a fanbase though and I respect that so I definitely agree with what you're saying. My only issue is they could have done a breakup storyline without needing them as the champs. They bogged up the tag division and for what reason? To cool off Kenny Omega? The guy was easily the hottest act in the company at the start, with Jericho and Moxley at the top with him, and the guy is less over than Adam Page......fuck.

Psycho666Soldier
September 2nd, 2020, 3:08 PM
Dude, just because Excalibur said a slur as a part of a show and heel act 15 years ago doesn't mean he's racist. Was it misguided? Sure. But people say things for shock value, especially as a heel, and even moreso during that time period before PC culture started taking a hold. People can change, and Excalibur has shown no signs of hating other races outside of a dumb angle. Hell, that same dude he threw the slur against ended up being a two-time PWG champion in Excalibur's promotion, and he's not the only person of color booked strongly/as a champion in his company.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 3:41 PM
Dude, just because Excalibur said a slur as a part of a show and heel act 15 years ago doesn't mean he's racist. Was it misguided? Sure. But people say things for shock value, especially as a heel, and even moreso during that time period before PC culture started taking a hold. People can change, and Excalibur has shown no signs of hating other races outside of a dumb angle. Hell, that same dude he threw the slur against ended up being a two-time PWG champion in Excalibur's promotion, and he's not the only person of color booked strongly/as a champion in his company.

He's shown no signs where you've seen him, sure. If he was comfortable enough saying that in front of a crowd, I don't give a fuck if it was 150 years ago or 15 seconds ago. Then he's obviously comfortable saying it elsewhere. I'm not saying he for sure does, but you can't say he doesn't can you? Exactly. Sit down guy.

You're acting like I have no idea about that whole situation. I don't give a fuck if that buffoon Human Tornado told him to. This wasn't some big Hollywood period piece where he was playing Django and Excalibur was the Calvin Candie lol. They did this stupid shit in front of a small crowd thinking it'd be fucking sweet and edgy and it was ignorant as fuck, no excuse.

Again, just because you made a black man a champion in a pretend company doesn't mean you're not a racist. You ever heard of Bill Watts? You know, the guy who booked Ron Simmons to be the first black World champion. Motherfucker is racist.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 3:43 PM
You kids act like this was commonplace in wrestling lol. Maybe as late as the early early 90's but when you're some indy shit promotion and doing something like this in the early 2000's??? Fuck your excuses.

Donald
September 2nd, 2020, 4:16 PM
Of course he's racist, why do you think he wears a mask. He's ASHAMED!

chatty
September 2nd, 2020, 4:19 PM
I'm not a fan of Adam Page. I can watch him if he's in a match but I could not care less about him. I understand he has a fanbase though and I respect that so I definitely agree with what you're saying. My only issue is they could have done a breakup storyline without needing them as the champs. They bogged up the tag division and for what reason? To cool off Kenny Omega? The guy was easily the hottest act in the company at the start, with Jericho and Moxley at the top with him, and the guy is less over than Adam Page......fuck.

Well yeah, I can get that. I wasnt really a fan of them winning the titles at the time but I havent minded their reign for what it was, I thought theor match with the Bucks was excellent and theyve had a couple of decent matches with SCU, Chuck and Trent and Lucha Bros.

I was happy enough for them to keep it through the point till crowds returned as itll be better seeing the team that takes it from them get a pop at least.

Even with the partial crowd they had this week the atmosphere was so much better so hopefully things ramp up from here.

Id go with Omega turning on Page to lose the belts against FTR. Omega definitely needs a change up. You say he was over at the start but I disagree, his Japan rep did follow to the US and he was drawing crickets from day 1 over here and didnt look like he was clicking at all.

His ring work has started to get over so just needs a jump start on his character which has just been a cringefest so far. A nastier harder cocky heel might do the trick.

Nash Diesel
September 2nd, 2020, 4:44 PM
Well yeah, I can get that. I wasnt really a fan of them winning the titles at the time but I havent minded their reign for what it was, I thought theor match with the Bucks was excellent and theyve had a couple of decent matches with SCU, Chuck and Trent and Lucha Bros.

I was happy enough for them to keep it through the point till crowds returned as itll be better seeing the team that takes it from them get a pop at least.

Even with the partial crowd they had this week the atmosphere was so much better so hopefully things ramp up from here.

Id go with Omega turning on Page to lose the belts against FTR. Omega definitely needs a change up. You say he was over at the start but I disagree, his Japan rep did follow to the US and he was drawing crickets from day 1 over here and didnt look like he was clicking at all.

His ring work has started to get over so just needs a jump start on his character which has just been a cringefest so far. A nastier harder cocky heel might do the trick.

I have to disagree about your opinion of Omega as it pertains to him not being over at all. That hot feud with Moxley was awesome but then what did they do? Put the fucking tag straps on him and Page. Back then I thought, oh this is short term, they're using this as a way to split Page and Omega. Typical booking, it works more often than not so I got it. Especially with them having Page v. Jericho for some odd reason for the title.

Within a few months the Kenny Omega that set the world on fire, where the fans over here did nothing but jerk off to his matches.....They didn't want to see him in a tag-team with Adam Page, or with anyone, especially this long. Who was watching New Japan or ROH going YES! let's put this guy in a fucking tag-team?

We need crowds. Cena said it best, they've lost the #1 superstar: Us.

Watching it from home, the crowd is an extension of us. That's why I've never bought in to the idea that live crowds just boo Roman but the at home crowd don't lol. We're the same! Especially now.

Psycho666Soldier
September 2nd, 2020, 5:10 PM
He's shown no signs where you've seen him, sure. If he was comfortable enough saying that in front of a crowd, I don't give a fuck if it was 150 years ago or 15 seconds ago. Then he's obviously comfortable saying it elsewhere. I'm not saying he for sure does, but you can't say he doesn't can you? Exactly. Sit down guy.

You're acting like I have no idea about that whole situation. I don't give a fuck if that buffoon Human Tornado told him to. This wasn't some big Hollywood period piece where he was playing Django and Excalibur was the Calvin Candie lol. They did this stupid shit in front of a small crowd thinking it'd be fucking sweet and edgy and it was ignorant as fuck, no excuse.

Again, just because you made a black man a champion in a pretend company doesn't mean you're not a racist. You ever heard of Bill Watts? You know, the guy who booked Ron Simmons to be the first black World champion. Motherfucker is racist.

My point is people say stupid shit when they're trying to be edgy. It doesn't mean they're hateful or racist. The fact that it was indie makes even more sense, because they probably thought by being shocking and "real," they'd get more attention.

Chris Scott
September 2nd, 2020, 6:38 PM
Fuck your calm lol.

Decent build for the main matches. Especially the tag-team title match. Everything else. Meh.

Arenít most ppvís like that though and have been for years and years.

Chris Scott
September 2nd, 2020, 6:40 PM
Ok, Shaun King.

As a mixed race person myself, I can’t stand this dude.

Chris Scott
September 2nd, 2020, 6:42 PM
As a half black man I take exception to people making excuses. I don't give a fuck who told him to call him a racial slur or how long ago it was. There's no statute of limitations on being a dumb fuck as you're proving here.

The big difference is one has been proven to have happened and the other hasn't so....Trust me, we all know why you are taking issue with Dream and why you don't care about what Excalibur said 5-10 years ago.

See Iím in between this. I did only find out what he did the other day, at the time I might have been pissed off he said it.

Also Iíve seen the argument well what about racist films like the one Di Caprio is in.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 8:08 PM
Excalibur is back! You've gotta give the people what they want.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 8:16 PM
AEW preshow confirmed Thunder Rosa's opponent.
Serena Deeb

Chris Scott
September 2nd, 2020, 8:25 PM
One of the Young Bucks doing a heelish thing, I like it.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 8:52 PM
Heavy on the swears tonight. TNT missed a couple of them.

Chris Scott
September 2nd, 2020, 8:52 PM
Great segment by FTR & Omega/Page

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Heavy on the swears tonight. TNT missed a couple of them.

Ha yes

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 9:13 PM
This Jake Roberts promo. :lol:

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 9:15 PM
I don't even know who some of these people are.

Bert
September 2nd, 2020, 9:17 PM
This seems like it should have ended the show.

Thunder Rosa/Serena was pretty good. JR was kind of shitting on the women's division during it.

They should really hire Serena to at least train some of the greener women. She was a trainer at NXT before so we know she can do it.

Censor guy also missed Mox telling MJF "go fucking nuts" after his bladejob.

I really want MJF to win at All Out. I don't care if it's clean, he's a heel and an amazing one, but I want him to win.

cmpunkisecw
September 3rd, 2020, 7:22 AM
Just watching the last few mins of Dynamite and I’m not sure if it’s because I’ve been slack af and not watched the last couple but to me AEW has reached a point where they’ve got way too much of a roster and struggling to fit everyone on.

I too hope MJF wins because yeah, the lack of a live crowd is killing the promotion right now and the casino battle royal segment really stood out to me that 1 Eddie Kingston was a pointless signing 2 Commentators were to me bored af throughout. 3. Storyline development is weak.

I really hope they can turn it around though as I used to look forward to Dynamite.

Tainted Eclipse
September 3rd, 2020, 8:19 AM
I’m excited for the ppv because I know it’ll be good but AEW still hasn’t gotten the hang of having a hot go home show that gets you hype for the ppv. This show wasn’t bad but I just don’t think they added any sense or excitement for any of the matches

Chris Scott
September 3rd, 2020, 4:08 PM
Another good episode, good build ups for the ppv which I’m looking forward too.

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Sammy Guevara vlogs are funny, just watched about six in a row

BGMaverick
September 3rd, 2020, 4:31 PM
Week 01: 1,409,000 viewers
Week 02: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week 03: 1,014,000 viewers
Week 04: 963,000 viewers
Week 05: 759,000 viewers
Week 06: 822,000 viewers
Week 07: 957,000 viewers
Week 08: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week 09: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
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Week 17: 828,000 viewers
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Week 26: 685,000 viewers
Week 27: 692,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 28: 683,000 viewers (NXT higher)
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Week 30: 693,000 viewers
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Week 45: 792,000 viewers
Week 46: 755,000 viewers (aired on Saturday)
Week 47: 813,000 viewers (aired on Thursday)
Week 48: 928,000 viewers (normal night, no NXT)

BGMaverick
September 3rd, 2020, 9:26 PM
I’m excited for the ppv because I know it’ll be good but AEW still hasn’t gotten the hang of having a hot go home show that gets you hype for the ppv. This show wasn’t bad but I just don’t think they added any sense or excitement for any of the matches

They really haven't locked in on this, yes. Case in point: go home episode, and we're starting with a tag match for two teams that aren't collectively building to something for the PPV.

Just a few other things that echoed that sentiment:
- Hardy's career is on the line Saturday and I feel like it hasn't been that emphatic of the implications. It's improved compared to the scenario with Dustin Rhodes randomly putting his career on the line for a tournament match but it's not that much better.
- A stipulation for a preshow match was made and we still don't know what the rules are. Okay.

I have to imagine the pandemic has outright ravaged their plans for the timeline with Omega and Hangman. I feel like we've really hit the moment that something significant needs to happen.

Bad sign for two women not in AEW having one of the best matches for the division since the company started.

That was a good beatdown by MJF at the end. I think we've reached a point where a title shift isn't unwelcome.

Chris Scott
September 4th, 2020, 5:42 AM
Smart Mark bumping the ratings up.

By the way I dig the Major Wrestling Podcast he, Myers & Cardona all do.

VHS
September 4th, 2020, 12:52 PM
Bad sign for two women not in AEW having one of the best matches for the division since the company started.


I mean that's what they get for just hiring their friends and not the ones that can actually work. You watch Penelope drop Big Swole on her head enough times you just learn to accept it, but when you see how it's really done... then it puts things into perspective. Serena could be a great trainer for them, and Thunder could be a huge name to build around for a long time.

Nash Diesel
September 4th, 2020, 1:10 PM
If the World goes from Chris fucking Jericho to Jon Mothefuckin Moxley to MJF.....Wow.

And people bitch about the idea of OTIS being a WWE world champion. I'm a big fan of MJF, but the TNT title is where it's at for him. I said this several times but we're basically putting the World title on a Jeff Jarrett type. Brilliant as a midcarder but it doesn't transcend to the main event, especially if we're pretending AEW is truly the 2nd biggest promotion in the world.

I will say this....It could be worse. It could've been Brian Cage or Luke Harper.

Psycho666Soldier
September 4th, 2020, 1:12 PM
I think this is a matter of different opinions, because I know people who hate Mox and think MJF would be a better champion
I think it's more exciting to pull the trigger and take a chance anyway.

I know I wouldn't be upset if they did the same with Otis.

VHS
September 4th, 2020, 1:26 PM
AEW is better off w/ someone like MJF as their top champ. Mox is cool, but his hardcore matches don't really come off as their top bill. More like a midcard attraction.

Nash Diesel
September 4th, 2020, 1:29 PM
I think this is a matter of different opinions, because I know people who hate Mox and think MJF would be a better champion
I think it's more exciting to pull the trigger and take a chance anyway.

I know I wouldn't be upset if they did the same with Otis.

Which is funny to me because saying MJF would make a better champion means he has some kind of track record in that position in comparison to Moxley. We all know Mox is a proven draw and has been for many, many years.

I'll say this...I wouldn't be shocked one bit if MJF won. I've said that from the jump. I just think we're 3-4 years too early and the gimmick doesn't scream long term main eventer. He's not very good in the ring either so that's another issue. He barely wrestles and the people he does wrestle don't make him look good. IDK if Moxley can make people look good, especially someone half his size that can't really work.

Nash Diesel
September 4th, 2020, 1:33 PM
AEW is better off w/ someone like MJF as their top champ. Mox is cool, but his hardcore matches don't really come off as their top bill. More like a midcard attraction.

I don't even think it's the hardcore matches, I think it's the fact that despite being World champion, he's not featured as such. You know who is? The Elite and Chris Jericho. Not really hard to figure out why. When Mox was feuding with Jericho, nobody questioned where that feud was at on the card.

It's hard to say what AEW is better off with considering they're what, a year in? They've had 2 champions that were polar opposites. I guess if you enjoyed the goofy title run of Jericho, then MJF is the right fit.

VHS
September 4th, 2020, 1:33 PM
Which is funny to me because saying MJF would make a better champion means he has some kind of track record in that position in comparison to Moxley. We all know Mox is a proven draw and has been for many, many years.

I'll say this...I wouldn't be shocked one bit if MJF won. I've said that from the jump. I just think we're 3-4 years too early and the gimmick doesn't scream long term main eventer. He's not very good in the ring either so that's another issue. He barely wrestles and the people he does wrestle don't make him look good. IDK if Moxley can make people look good, especially someone half his size that can't really work.

You're the guy that doesn't believe in track records though, remember? :lol:

Nash Diesel
September 4th, 2020, 1:37 PM
You're the guy that doesn't believe in track records though, remember? :lol:

Context is everything genius. Never once said I don't believe in track records, but yeah, keep bringing up a very very specific conversation because it's all you have.

Remember the screenshot of me on ignore? Let's make that happen again.

Chris Scott
September 4th, 2020, 1:48 PM
If the World goes from Chris fucking Jericho to Jon Mothefuckin Moxley to MJF.....Wow.

And people bitch about the idea of OTIS being a WWE world champion. I'm a big fan of MJF, but the TNT title is where it's at for him. I said this several times but we're basically putting the World title on a Jeff Jarrett type. Brilliant as a midcarder but it doesn't transcend to the main event, especially if we're pretending AEW is truly the 2nd biggest promotion in the world.

I will say this....It could be worse. It could've been Brian Cage or Luke Harper.

Nah you didn’t just put MJF on a Otis level jeeeeeez lol.

He won’t win yet, probably is a bit soon. But you can’t say he doesn’t deserve a program at the top with the Champ. He’ll soon be back down challenging and winning the TNT title.

Chris Scott
September 4th, 2020, 1:50 PM
AEW is better off w/ someone like MJF as their top champ. Mox is cool, but his hardcore matches don't really come off as their top bill. More like a midcard attraction.

Disagree sorry. Don’t get how right now people think MJF would be better as champion? Moxley is a household name people love to get behind him, he’s been fine as the main guy. Let him have it until later in the year.

Nash Diesel
September 4th, 2020, 1:52 PM
Nah you didn’t just put MJF on a Otis level jeeeeeez lol.

He won’t win yet, probably is a bit soon. But you can’t say he doesn’t deserve a program at the top with the Champ. He’ll soon be back down challenging and winning the TNT title.

They both belong in the midcard is what I'm saying. I can't compare the 2 side by side because they're totally different midcarders. One is a super babyface, a good worker, looks unique, has a hottie. The other is a super heel, subpar worker, good on the mic, looks like a dumb fuck so that helps his heel heat.

I didn't say he doesn't deserve a top program, I'm saying he doesn't deserve the strap. AEW are new enough to where they can get away with stuff as they find their place. So they're trying to see what works and it doesn't help when actual fans aren't there but let's be real, when we go watch AEW for some reason everything we hate turns into everything we love simply for being "AEW". That'll wear off. Look how stupid people are about Luke Harper. Like the guy never had a main event program or held midcard titles lol.

MJF=perfect for the TNT title. He's not the guy to carry the company but he's definitely someone you want on the roster.

VHS
September 4th, 2020, 1:53 PM
Disagree sorry. Don’t get how right now people think MJF would be better as champion? Moxley is a household name people love to get behind him, he’s been fine as the main guy. Let him have it until later in the year.

All good, and true words about Mox being a huge name now. Personally, I think MJF would be better as an upcoming top guy rather than keeping it on Mox who has been doing mostly hardcore matches which tend to get old pretty fast.

VHS
September 4th, 2020, 2:17 PM
Context is everything genius. Never once said I don't believe in track records, but yeah, keep bringing up a very very specific conversation because it's all you have.

Remember the screenshot of me on ignore? Let's make that happen again.

https://i.imgur.com/n42Z3Mr.jpg

Care to revise your statement, sir?

Psycho666Soldier
September 4th, 2020, 2:27 PM
Which is funny to me because saying MJF would make a better champion means he has some kind of track record in that position in comparison to Moxley. We all know Mox is a proven draw and has been for many, many years.

I'll say this...I wouldn't be shocked one bit if MJF won. I've said that from the jump. I just think we're 3-4 years too early and the gimmick doesn't scream long term main eventer. He's not very good in the ring either so that's another issue. He barely wrestles and the people he does wrestle don't make him look good. IDK if Moxley can make people look good, especially someone half his size that can't really work.

I mean, MJF has been killing it in every segment he's in. He gets a lot of heat. His match with Jungle Boy was a banger, and he's been more than solid in matches ever since.

Nash Diesel
September 4th, 2020, 3:06 PM
https://i.imgur.com/n42Z3Mr.jpg

Care to revise your statement, sir?

No. I never said they don't matter. I literally said NOT NECESSARILY. Which brings me back to CONTEXT you stupid fuck. lol.

Nash Diesel
September 4th, 2020, 3:08 PM
I mean, MJF has been killing it in every segment he's in. He gets a lot of heat. His match with Jungle Boy was a banger, and he's been more than solid in matches ever since.

Jeff Jarrett was killing it in every segment and he had great matches with HBK and Razor Ramon. That doesn't mean he should be the top guy in the company. If the best we have to go off of is he had a banger with Jungle Boy.....That's wonderful. That's not main event quality shit though is it?

Bert
September 4th, 2020, 5:36 PM
I could see Mox dropping the belt just so he can go to Japan which it sounds like he really wants to do and he can't do when he has to quarantine for 14 days and be on AEW.

Stocky
September 4th, 2020, 6:01 PM
So the Matt vs Sami Match. Either Matt wins or This version of Matt Hardy retires and he goes back to being Broken.

Bert
September 4th, 2020, 6:42 PM
So the Matt vs Sami Match. Either Matt wins or This version of Matt Hardy retires and he goes back to being Broken.

Matt wins. What even is a broken rules match? He literally writes the rules.

Psycho666Soldier
September 4th, 2020, 6:45 PM
Jeff Jarrett was killing it in every segment and he had great matches with HBK and Razor Ramon. That doesn't mean he should be the top guy in the company. If the best we have to go off of is he had a banger with Jungle Boy.....That's wonderful. That's not main event quality shit though is it?

MJF/Jungle Boy WAS main event quality, though.

I also think MJF has a higher ceiling than Jeff Jarrett did.

JuveLeo
September 4th, 2020, 9:38 PM
So the Matt vs Sami Match. Either Matt wins or This version of Matt Hardy retires and he goes back to being Broken.
I think he loses and goes back to his broken character.

chatty
September 5th, 2020, 7:02 AM
I think the PPV looks decent tbh.

MJF v Moxley has had a good build up and should be a decent match. I expect Moxley to win because I dont think MJF is ready for the title yet but it should make a fun match teasing an MJF win, especially with Mosley going for the Paradigm Shift and having to hold himself back.

Enjoyed both of Jericho v Cassidy matches so should enjoy this one though the gimmick seems a bit shit, Ill give them the benefit of the doubt going into it.

Casino Battle Royal - well Battle Royals are usually fun and theyve made an attempt at adding storylines into this one.

FTR v Paige/Omega - should be a good match, expect Paige/Omega to end here, possible heel turn for Omega unless they run with the Paige heel turn (which I dont think works cause hes too over) and possible Young Bucks interference. Ultimately you think they are trying to build to Omega v Paige and Bucks v FTR which makes sense for all involved.

Sammy v Matt, Bucks v Jurrasic Express and Shida v Rosa should all be decent enough matches.

Britt v Swole might be alright but they really didnt need an extra random gimmick match on an already overlybheavy gimmick filled PPV.

Only thing I dont really care about is all the Dark Order stuff, would have just preferred Brodie v Goldust tbh I just dont care about Dark Order at the least. Im guessing Cody shows up here.

NWo4LifeOr2Years
September 5th, 2020, 8:05 PM
Is there a way to order this thing for less than $59.99?

NWo4LifeOr2Years
September 5th, 2020, 8:09 PM
I think he loses and goes back to his broken character.

Exactly what I was thinking. Of course Matt loses and shows up as a new/older character no selling that he is Matt Hardy.

Im watching the free pre show on TNT only to have it cut halfway through for NBA playoffs. Neither match played yet.

NWo4LifeOr2Years
September 5th, 2020, 8:12 PM
I could see Mox dropping the belt just so he can go to Japan which it sounds like he really wants to do and he can't do when he has to quarantine for 14 days and be on AEW.

Well I think he loses so MJF can run with this election angle during election 'season'.

Plus Cody could more easily challenge him for that belt... ;)

Chris Scott
September 5th, 2020, 8:16 PM
Is there a way to order this thing for less than $59.99?

Wait what it’s that much? It’s $19.99 on Fite tv

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 8:26 PM
These are the makings of a really good Young Bucks story match

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 8:56 PM
WHAT THE FUCK?!?

Tainted Eclipse
September 5th, 2020, 8:59 PM
i feel bad for matt sydal but him botching his big entrance spot was hilarious.

Peter Griffin
September 5th, 2020, 9:02 PM
i feel bad for matt sydal but him botching his big entrance spot was hilarious.

Nearly broke his neck fucking lols am I right

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 9:03 PM
i feel bad for matt sydal but him botching his big entrance spot was hilarious.

This so hard.

I went from, "MATT FUCKING SYDAL," to "LOOOOOOOOOL" very quick.

That was a really well-booked battle royal, though. Archer winning makes me think Moxley is almost certainly winning tonight. Then we can get Mox/Archer in AEW for the World Title :hyper:

That spot with the bodybag was pretty fucked up. But I loved how it unintentionally made other spots more dangerous with the tacs lying out.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 9:06 PM
Jesus, they're not fucking around with this match.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 9:08 PM
Oof, this is rough.

Really sucks for Matt. Unless this was scripted? I actually can't tell.

Probably the beginning of his Broken return, actually.

Tainted Eclipse
September 5th, 2020, 9:11 PM
no idea what went on with that match. if it all was a work, it was stupid.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 9:13 PM
Yeah, that was just...weird. I'm also not really sure what they do with Sammy here since he's "retired," but I feel like if they wanted something to feel gritty and real, this wasn't the way to do it.

Just unfortunate if Matt actually got hurt, and dangerous to continue like that.

Morrison
September 5th, 2020, 9:15 PM
it seemed legit for a second, then when they started fighting again it seemed like it was a work, but it leading to that one spot for the finish makes me think they just quickly decided to audible to the end instead of calling it off. very weird.

Bert
September 5th, 2020, 9:18 PM
Matt had to win or he left so it seemed like they jumped to the finish. That was scary as hell though.

Sydal slipping on the SSP was scary too but not as scary as the Hardy bump.

Bert
September 5th, 2020, 9:20 PM
Yeah, that was just...weird. I'm also not really sure what they do with Sammy here since he's "retired," but I feel like if they wanted something to feel gritty and real, this wasn't the way to do it.

Just unfortunate if Matt actually got hurt, and dangerous to continue like that.

I'm pretty sure it was if Matt loses he leaves AEW. I don't recall that stipulation applying to Sammy too. That's why I knew Matt would win.

Peter Griffin
September 5th, 2020, 9:21 PM
I'm not buying the had to go to the finish stuff, Guy knocked loopy call the match off, no losers.

- - - Updated - - -

It gets worse every time you see it

Tainted Eclipse
September 5th, 2020, 9:23 PM
they should've called an audible and just had sammy win, let it be the ending spot. they can book their way out of the stipulation later.

Bert
September 5th, 2020, 9:27 PM
I think you can blame that on Matt being stubborn would be my guess.

Tainted Eclipse
September 5th, 2020, 9:27 PM
are there basically no good female wrestlers in america or does aew just suck at scouting them?

Bert
September 5th, 2020, 9:34 PM
are there basically no good female wrestlers in america or does aew just suck at scouting them?

Thunder Rosa vs Serena Deeb on dynamite was good. They should hire Deeb.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 9:38 PM
I liked Thunder Rosa enough there. Seemed like she has some potential, especially with her general ring presence. But that match was unfortunately sloppy, and I don't know if that was one person's fault in particular or if they just couldn't quite click.

Chris Scott
September 5th, 2020, 9:38 PM
Should’ve called the Hardy match off without doubt. No way that was a work he was fucked.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 9:39 PM
That was a timely shot at WWE.

Chris Scott
September 5th, 2020, 9:39 PM
Haha was funny

Peter Griffin
September 5th, 2020, 9:39 PM
That was a timely shot at WWE.

Predictable

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 9:41 PM
Predictable

I mean, they deserve to be rightly called out on that.

Peter Griffin
September 5th, 2020, 9:44 PM
Oh sure they do, I was just saying it was predictable :lol:

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 10:04 PM
That Dustin promo sort of saving what has devolved into a very bleh show after the battle royal.

Really, I liked YB/JE and the Battle Royal, but everything else has been mostly shit. Not that the last match was bad, it just wasn't really that interesting.

Tainted Eclipse
September 5th, 2020, 10:06 PM
i so badly want dustin to get a world title reign in aew one day. even if it's for like a day or a week.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 10:07 PM
All that said, I have pretty high hopes for this match. I love FTR, and Omega/Page have pretty much killed it in every match.

Peter Griffin
September 5th, 2020, 10:10 PM
It's sad that the legend JR is now a massive perv on girls young enough to be his granddaughter these days.

Morrison
September 5th, 2020, 10:16 PM
That Dustin promo sort of saving what has devolved into a very bleh show after the battle royal.

Really, I liked YB/JE and the Battle Royal, but everything else has been mostly shit. Not that the last match was bad, it just wasn't really that interesting.

the women's title match was pretty good, especially towards the end. no clue what your issue with that was.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 10:28 PM
the women's title match was pretty good, especially towards the end. no clue what your issue with that was.

It just felt sloppy and plodding for me. I liked some moments, but it felt a bit flat.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 10:48 PM
Maybe I'm just not feeling it tonight, or the middle of the show has soured my mood, but I wasn't feeling that as much either. Some strong moments and solid storytelling, but the something felt missing.

Tainted Eclipse
September 5th, 2020, 10:51 PM
i thought it was a great match but badly needed a hot crowd

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 10:57 PM
i thought it was a great match but badly needed a hot crowd

That's probably what it was. The crowd definitely sounded deflated compared to the earlier part of the show.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 11:14 PM
Solid match. I like that the vats were on a platform level with the ring. I was imagining two separate tubs on the ground, similar to a casket match, and I was expecting something more contrived. But as silly as it was, this set-up allowed for a more organic way to play on the suspense/drama of falling in the pit.

MJF/Mox next

Morrison
September 5th, 2020, 11:15 PM
That's probably what it was. The crowd definitely sounded deflated compared to the earlier part of the show.

from what i hear, apparently the humidity is ridiculous and is killing the crowd.

loved that tag match. not as insane as the revolution title match, but it's own kind of brilliant. great finish.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 11:16 PM
I can also say comfortably that I did like the Tag Title match more than that one for what actually happened in the ring, but the crowd was much more into this one and it made a world of difference. So yeah, I think the last match being a bit flat is probably because of the low-key crowd reaction.

Psycho666Soldier
September 5th, 2020, 11:49 PM
That was a great main event.

Morrison
September 5th, 2020, 11:53 PM
loved that finish.

as soon as archer won the battle royale, i wanted mox to retain. can't wait for that title match, and hope it turns into a full blown feud.

Bert
September 6th, 2020, 12:35 AM
I didn't like the finish.

I wanted the ref to see Mox doing the paradigm shift on the tron replay and give MJF his belt.

I wonder what MJF does now.

Psycho666Soldier
September 6th, 2020, 1:07 AM
As much as I defended MJF winning the title here, my point was more that either option would be good. MJF could use some seasoning for sure. Even more brilliant is the finish leaves it open for MJF to hold a grudge and have a reason for a rematch. They can do it almost instantly or they can let Mox tangle in a magnum opus with Archer, then build for a delayed rematch.

You could just have MJF push someone backstage or some shit before coming out to throw a fit about Moxley, then that person interrupts and you have a solid distraction for MJF.

Beer-Belly
September 6th, 2020, 5:11 AM
That Matt Hardy bump is something I don't want to see again.

Hero!
September 6th, 2020, 7:37 AM
First hour of the ppv was rough. Enjoyed everything after that. All 3 title matches were brilliant. Shida/Rosa felt like a fight, the Tag match was great and had that amazing payoff with the Omega knee to hangman, and the title match felt so fucking old school and just logical. Mox being a babyface who actually outsmarts the heel is something we really, really don’t have enough of in wrestling.


also aew battle royals suck and they should stop doing them.

Tainted Eclipse
September 6th, 2020, 8:36 AM
i really like almost all AEW battle royals and think they're usually great at them. even last night, i enjoyed it for the most part, though it was probably the worst they've done.

Bert
September 6th, 2020, 8:45 AM
I was really hoping it was going to be Miro in the battle royale since it was so far onto the main card. I say that as a big Sydal mark who met him a long long time ago in Gateway Championship Wrestling in St. Louis just wrestling as "Matt."

Hero!
September 6th, 2020, 9:23 AM
i really like almost all AEW battle royals and think they're usually great at them. even last night, i enjoyed it for the most part, though it was probably the worst they've done.

I haven’t enjoyed any of them or that bunk ass ladder match where cage and Luchasaurus pretended to be cruiserweights

BGMaverick
September 6th, 2020, 12:32 PM
Well, they totally screwed up the sequencing of the first two matches. I can't imagine why they thought a cinematic match with shoddy audio was going to be a better choice to start the PPV than a Young Bucks tag match.

A debut appearance can't go much worse than the one Sydal had in terms of the literal debut. He was fine once he got going but it'll be hard to wash the stain off the ugly botch. At least it can be mocked to some extent versus the alternative of him breaking his damn neck. The right guy won this as Archer was going to be in total limbo without any kind of motivation going forward.

What a disaster with the Hardy/Guevara match. There's very few positives that can come of it. If Hardy is knocked senseless, you come off as a clown show by letting him continue. If it was worked to the heavens and he just showed incredibly strong signs of being concussed, that's incredibly poor form and tasteless. Just call a no contest after the spot, let Guevara ride the heat with promos for a few weeks and reconvene if/when Hardy is able to recover. Maybe these two are just snake bitten together. There's been a lot of blood and chaos when they probably weren't expecting it to go that far.

I enjoyed the chemistry Thunder and Hikaru had together for their match. It feels like their women's division is too green or they have people who want to emulate the men and do their version of flippy stuff and it just doesn't come together, so it was good to just see a match that was worked at a nice rate. It wasn't a masterclass by any stretch but it was a notable improvement from what we see in the division.

Dark Order match seemed like a nice TV match but filler for a PPV. JR was feeling something raunchy with his comment about Ana Jay. Not sure what purpose that had other than looking like an ass.

Tag title match was a tad on the long side but it was entertaining. I thought it didn't find its groove as being structured as an evenly-battled match. It felt a little disjointed in that regard. Can't put my finger on why that was the case but there was something missing there. I did like the fact that Omega (who looked really good) and Page found their groove as a cohesive team but still got caught. I think that does more favors for FTR when it came to winning the titles rather than being opportunistic to steal the titles due to the champions misfiring. Make your new champs look good, so they accomplished that here. Commentary felt subdued with the post match stuff too. I like how we're finally seeing this stuff with Hangman, Omega, and The Bucks evolving. Be that as it may, what we saw after the match didn't jive with the story. The Bucks are linked with Omega and kicked Hangman out, but they didn't want to leave with Omega? They've been teasing that they're shitheads over the last few weeks but leaving with Omega was a bridge too far?

Jericho is a genius. Lose a feud but don't take a pin in the finale. Feels like this was all done to put a good spotlight on OC and show he can step up and be more than a comedy guy. I don't think they put a rubber stamp on that but I think they are progressing in a solid way in that direction. He definitely benefited from being with Jericho. They'll just need to capitalize on it now.

The finish to the main event was creative but it totally was based on both sides willing to cheat lol. Something that was hammered home was that the Paradigm Shift was banned. Okay, cool. Sounds good to me, but what happens if it was used and they don't follow up on the fact a stip was made? If you make it a big talking point, you need to address the other end of the scenario. That certainly leaves the door open for them to circle back to this if they deem its worth doing.

The show was too long, the open-air venue is good from a current events standpoint but that humidity clearly zaps the audience's energy level and there's clear risks we see with the performers. Good show, not a great one though.

Archer and Moxley have some good potential and showed that off in NJPW so I imagine they can build off that.

Psycho666Soldier
September 6th, 2020, 1:52 PM
I would be genuinely shocked if they don't address that Moxley used the Paradigm Shift, even if it's just MJF bitching that he should get a rematch for that. Which you don't really need more than that.

JuveLeo
September 6th, 2020, 5:18 PM
These PPVs are way too long in my opinion. My excitement for the main event cooled off by the time it got there. The show just seemed to drag. Running under 3 hours is what would be suitable i think.
Anyway, I enjoyed the Tag title match, even though it went a tad long, Main event was pretty good also. Kinda happy MJF didn't win to be honest. I think he needs to win the TNT belt before winning the big one.

JuveLeo
September 6th, 2020, 5:24 PM
Matt Hardy is fine. They sent him to a hospital as a precaution and he passed the MRI + CT scans and he doesn’t have a concussion. He should be good to go for Dynamite this week.

Donald
September 6th, 2020, 6:28 PM
Cardona, hardy, sydal, jackson . Too many Matt's.

Donald
September 6th, 2020, 7:00 PM
Matt/Matthew might be the dumbest name ever.

mth
September 6th, 2020, 7:19 PM
Matt/Matthew might be the dumbest name ever.
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Donald
September 6th, 2020, 7:55 PM
I guess Donald is a dumber name but that's what I get for being infatuated with a decades dead actor.

mth
September 6th, 2020, 10:48 PM
Pretty good duck, though...

virms
September 6th, 2020, 11:17 PM
Matt Hardy is fine. They sent him to a hospital as a precaution and he passed the MRI + CT scans and he doesn’t have a concussion. He should be good to go for Dynamite this week.

He hasnt passed the Reby test yet. He might be out for a couple of weeks

Kev
September 6th, 2020, 11:21 PM
:lol:

You gents think there's anything worth going out of the way to seeing for this? I'm thinking maybe just the storyline progression with the Elite and the final two matches... but not fully sold. Really diggin' the Blacklist on Netflix atm, haven't had a lot of time free lately but I've worked a few nights so i might get a day off coming soon...

Psycho666Soldier
September 6th, 2020, 11:26 PM
:lol:

You gents think there's anything worth going out of the way to seeing for this? I'm thinking maybe just the storyline progression with the Elite and the final two matches... but not fully sold. Really diggin' the Blacklist on Netflix atm, haven't had a lot of time free lately but I've worked a few nights so i might get a day off coming soon...

Main event was pretty good and I would at least watch like the first and last 5 minutes of the Tag Title match and the fallout. I would even say check out the Battle Royal. Nothing else really needs to be seen.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 6th, 2020, 11:52 PM
The one thing I feel like AEW really needs to work on is making it super obvious when a spot is coming up. Don't show the people on the ground obviously waiting to catch someone. It was super noticable when they had the 8 man tag a few weeks back. Even JRs rambling couldn't distract me from it.

The Pat MacAfee dive on Adam Cole at Takeover XXX was better executed and more realistic as far as "Okay, we're ready! Go ahead!" dives go, than anything anyone has ever done in AEW.

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I guess Donald is a dumber name but that's what I get for being infatuated with a decades dead actor.

I just think of ducks.

Morrison
September 6th, 2020, 11:54 PM
Main event was pretty good and I would at least watch like the first and last 5 minutes of the Tag Title match and the fallout. I would even say check out the Battle Royal. Nothing else really needs to be seen.

lol

battle royale is not worth it's 22 minute runtime.

all three title matches are worthwhile and the mimosa match was fun. the hardy/sammy disaster is worth watching for how bizarre it is. couple spots in the battle royale worth watching(surprise entrant and their botch, darby allin elimination and the finish). everything else is skippable.

Psycho666Soldier
September 7th, 2020, 12:07 AM
lol

battle royale is not worth it's 22 minute runtime.

all three title matches are worthwhile and the mimosa match was fun. the hardy/sammy disaster is worth watching for how bizarre it is. couple spots in the battle royale worth watching(surprise entrant and their botch, darby allin elimination and the finish). everything else is skippable.

I actually almost edited it to say watch the highlights of the battle royal, but was too lazy.

Kev
September 7th, 2020, 1:35 AM
Cheers gents, will have a look tomorrow. Bit of a shame as AEW has generally been a huge thumbs up for me.

BGMaverick
September 7th, 2020, 1:45 AM
Cheers gents, will have a look tomorrow. Bit of a shame as AEW has generally been a huge thumbs up for me.

I think they just felt like they had more to offer than they actually did for this setting. That's not to say their weekly programming has been bad. It's not my favorite wrestling on Wednesday but it has its good moments. This just felt like poor decisions in multiple areas and definitely hurt by not having a more animated audience to make moments resonate more.

Badger
September 7th, 2020, 2:11 AM
Bourne kinda up there now with the Ultimo Dragon, the Shockmaster and Titus Worldslide for infamous entrance botches but he did get better and seems to be laughing it off now. The bodybag moment with Darby was my favourite bit in the battle royal.

The title matches were all solid though the tag title match probably could’ve benefited from having a bit of time shaved off it. Just went on a bit too long but the ending/fallout was great.

Jericho/Cassidy and the orange punch was entertaining.

Glad Matt seems to be doing better now, that’s all I’ll say about that.

Overall though I agree they’ve had much better shows than this.

Morrison
September 7th, 2020, 2:15 AM
Cheers gents, will have a look tomorrow. Bit of a shame as AEW has generally been a huge thumbs up for me.

the show was fine, they just backloaded the card. there's four good to great matches, and likely would have been five if hardy/sammy actually had the chance to happen as planned instead of becoming a bizarre distraction. britt/swole was a fine enough segment, but after having seen it, it makes sense why they were gonna put it on the buy-in instead of the main card. bucks/JE was a match of no consequence outside of tag team ranking implications and the eight man tag was a clear filler match. the card was built well but structured oddly and then had a huge legit scary and bewildering moment happen in the middle of it. all of the matches that were being looked at to deliver ended up doing so.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 7th, 2020, 3:00 AM
It says a lot about a pay-per-view that the two things everybody seems to be talking about the most are Matt Hardy cracking his skull on concrete and Matt Sydal botching the ever loving shit out of a Shooting Star Press.

I'm up to the Women's Title vs. Women's Title match and the show feels like a "big" episode of Dynamite.

- Young Bucks/Lucha Express was fine for what it was. But it wasn't anything you wouldn't see on TV every week. Luchasaurus's dive from the post out into the "audience" was great stuff. A good visual, at least. And I like how it led right to the finish. The big dude wiping out 10 people with a crossbody block was probably the peak of that match. Also, its good to see The Young Bucks, if they are going to keep working heel, switched up their finish. I doubt they understand why they should, but its really hard to boo a team who beats guys with a front-flip into a double-team Tombstone piledriver. Two assholes kneeing your face off works better as a heel finish.

-- Britt Baker and Big Shits was... whatever it was. It wasn't "cinematic", really. It just looked like two crazy women having a fight in a dental office. Which, I guess was sort of the point. I mean, on her "best" day, Big Swole wrestles with all the grace and dexterity of a drowning swimmer. And Britt's coming off of an injury that kept her out for 4 months. She's rusty and Big Swole sucks. This was better than any "real" match they would have ever had.

-- The Casino Poker World Tour Battle Royal Card Shark Double Down All In Blackjack You've Got 21, Well I've Got 22, You Got 22? Well, I Can Beat That, Too -- Whatever The Fuck Battle Royal is a fun concept. The Chickenhawk Monster winning made sense. Hoping to see him tear it up with Mox. Darby felt like a bit of a non-factor, aside from the silly shit with the tacks and the body bag, and I was surprised at how some of the bigger names went out with so little fanfare, but Will Hobbs managed to make it until the final-four. Poor Matt Sydal, man. That was an awful, awful botch. Like Sin Cara levels of bad. He'll recover from the embarrassment fine and if his first feud is with Shawn Spears, I think he's in good hands to have some solid matches with a good, safe opponent.

With everyone else who was in it, I never would have expected Kingston to be the last guy Archer tossed out. AEW seems to like the heel vs heel thing, don't they? Feels like the smarter bet would've been Darby/Archer as the final two. With the body bag thing leading to the finish. And then they could've spun Darby/Archer off as a TV feud. Then do Archer/Mox on the next pay-per-view and Darby/Cage in a body bag match on TV at some point.

And I can't imagine it was particularly fun to try to work around all those tacks. Archer had one in his low back, at least. Hazards of the job?

-- Matt Hardy/Sammy Guevara had the chance to be great until skull met concrete and concrete won. Poor Matt. If they use this concussion as an excuse to turn him back into crazypants "Broken" Matt Hardy again, I'm going to be pissed. How many times can a guy change clothes in an ice chest? Is it like a portal to Narnia in there? You can have wrestling in a lot of places. Hell, this show had a match in a dental practice. But they should try to keep their wrestlers on our plane of existence.

Oh, and Sammy Guevara took a bump on a big box covered in crash pads. Same old shit, different Shane McMahon bump.

Chris Scott
September 7th, 2020, 6:18 AM
Watched All Out a 2nd time last night.

All out wasn't great but not the worse thing I've seen.

The tag team match was quality from start to finish (Kenny kind of ruined it just walking of away after FTR worked his knee for ages). Over the moon for FTR though it's great too see them finally getting the what they deserve.

MJF was just brilliant and the match was great. It was very good story telling, happy Moxley won but wouldn’t have minded if MJF did.

No way they should’ve started with Baker/Swole with that type of match, YB is your opening match here.

Murphy
September 7th, 2020, 6:27 AM
I enjoyed All Out, on the whole. I agree that Baker/Swole starting was odd and I wasn't pleased with the Hardy stuff.

YB/Lucha/Jungle Boy was great. I enjoyed Shida/Rosa, though it took a while to get going, and I enjoyed the 8 man tag.

Best two matches were the tag title match and the main event. The 'mark' in me was gutted to see Page and Kenny lose, but it was the right time and I am thrilled for FTR. Great match. Shame it wasn't in front of a big crowd and the end felt a tad flat, but it was a great match. 30 minutes was maybe a few minutes too long as well. Mox and MJF was great though. Proper old school feel to it.

Oh, and Jericho and Cassidy was fun enough.

The 2 buy in matches were nothing to write about.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 8th, 2020, 6:48 AM
Thoughts on the rest of All Out:

-- Shida/Thunder Rosa was damn solid. Probably the second best women's match I've seen in AEW. The first was Rosa's debut against Serena Deeb. These two lay their shit in, work like pros, and don't do anything dumb or overly complicated. There's not a whole Hell of a lot to say, really. It wasn't a classic, but it was 100% fundamentally solid.

Umm, it occurred to me completely at random that Shida's gear is inspired by Tifa Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7. Don't ask me how I never noticed that until now. So, that's cool.

If NWA doesn't survive the Coronapocalypse, I hope Thunder Rosa joins AEW full time. If NWA does make it, I'd love to see a rematch on their TV between Shida and Rosa.

-- The Nightmare Family and Friends vs. The Dark Order in that eight-man tag was just as good as anything you'd see on regular TV. I don't know about anyone else, but somehow, between working with The Usos, AJ Styles, and Randy Orton, I managed to convince myself that Brodie Lee is some kind of ultra athletic big-man worker. He's not. At least not that I've seen so far. In any of these multiple man matches, he's the least impressive dude on his team. He throws wicked clothesline and does an okay Bossman Slam. But that's it. Luckily, he happened to be surrounded by seven other talented guys, so his deficiencies were well hidden. This was completely average, 3-stars-out-of-5 wrestling. Its funny that after all that TV time The Dark Order dedicated to recruiting Colt Cabana, Brodie seemed on the verge of kicking him out after dropping one match.

I am looking forward to Dustin/Brodie on TV, though. We'll see what Dustin can get out of the big lug.

-- FTR vs. The Omega Cowboys was fantastic stuff. My match of the night, easily. I loved the story the match told, with Omega and Page both hanging in there, fending off FTR singly, but FTR constantly having the advantage anytime they were able to use traditional tag-team techniques. We all know FTR are the best mechanics this side of Pep Boys and Adam Page is eminently talented, but the FTR boys even managed to wrangle Omega back down and keep him on this planet long enough to get a match out of him. Omega seems a lot like The Ultimate Warrior in a way: if you can wrangle him long enough, you can get him to do what needs to get done. Otherwise, he's all twinkle toes and finger guns and prancing like a show horse.

I loved how, even during the heat and heading into the finish FTR kept using those tag-ropes and kept doing hand slap tags. Attention to details, from the guys who have to have "rules in their matches".

Everything just worked. And the best bit, after getting punked out by his own friends and then punked out by FTR, who he thought he had a bond with, it still took two spike piledrivers to pin Adam Page. They really put him over as a double-tough customer when it takes two of those piledrivers to beat the guy after going through a 30-minute match. That's how you keep your babyface strong in defeat.

I'm definitely not looking forward to Omega as a heel. If him being a heel means he has to cut more promos, my ears are going to be bleeding by the time his whiny, douchebag, cunt of a voice gets done trying to trash talk Adam Page. Omega has as much testosterone as a clinic on giving birth at an all-girls school during a lesbian orgy.

Mimosa Mayhem was fun garbage. I was predicting a Jericho win with the The Judas Effect and then Jericho gets dunked, so Cassidy gets a good pop, but Jericho still takes the feud. But this was fine enough for what it was. Something about the setup looked a little "low rent". Maybe I expected bigger tubs of the shit? I don't know. Orange Cassidy makes a decent, scrappy, fight from underneath babyface and Jericho is a good veteran heel who managed to make chicken salad out of chicken shit with this feud. Obviously, with all the props and pools of Mimosas, they didn't have to do as much straight wrestling. Which is fine. Because last time they tried that it was as clunky as dropping a filing cabinet down a flight of stairs. This match was a stupid as Hell idea. But it was a stupid idea pulled off about as well as it could've been.

Anybody else remember "The Drew Carey Show" episode where they're doing a Cinco De Mayo celebration at The Warsaw and they've got a kiddie pool full of tequila that everybody can drink out of with long straws?

Yeah? I want that tub of Mimosas Jericho didn't wind up in. That stuff looked good. I'll bring my own straw.

Moxley/MJF was good shit. Very good. It feels like every time he makes an entrance, Mox is further and further away from the ring. This time he entered from the adjacent football stadium. I think soon, they're going to have to send a crew out with a camera car and show him driving down the highway to get to the arena.

Justin Roberts can try to draw out his "Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnn Mooooooooooooooooooooooooxxxxxllllllllllllllllllee eeeeyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!" announcement until Mox gets there, parks his car, changes in a broom closet in the building across the street, jumps a fence, enters through the basement, comes up through the boiler room, passes through a stand in the food court, walks up six flights of stairs, kicks open the door to the press box, and then decides to come back down, walks down another 12 flights of stairs, and then finally makes it down to the ring.

After a stirring game of "Where In The World Is Carmen San De-Moxley", the match is good shit.

Loved the story of MJF constantly being the superior of the two in an actual wrestling match, but every time things broke out into a fight or went to the floor, Mox was in charge. MJF bled a fantastic gusher, even though it was really obvious he was blading and when. But either way, it added a lot to the match. Its nice when a protected, little bitch character like MJF gets busted open. It means a lot more in context when the character is a little pussy bitch who's no kind of a tough guy.

I really, really hope the finish isn't teasing a Wardlow/MJF breakup. Wardlow tried to throw MJF the ring and MJF didn't catch it, ref gets distracted, Paradigm Shift, *BOOM*, done. Good match. But whose fault was it MJF missed the ring? Is Wardlow a bad pitcher or was MJF a bad catcher?

Speaking of catching and throwing. Mox threw some "knee strikes" so bad they looked like the Western sky on a clear morning. All fucking sunshine. Enough air between Mox's knee and Max's head to fly a plane through. Awful. I know Mox wants to put over his "MMA training", with the knees and that chokeout he's been using, but those knees were worse than Shane McMahon's punches.

Anyway, solid match. Definitely looking forward to Moxley/Archer. Jake Roberts is one of Mox's idols as a shoot, so it must be a thrill to work with him and his guy on TV. So that's pretty cool.

Above all, I'd give All Out somewhere around a 7.5/10. Nothing outstanding, but nothing outrageously stupid or bad, either. It felt like a "big" episode of Dynamite, except for the last couple matches. FTR are going to have great matches as tag-team champions, Page should be able to keep Twinkle Toes McFinger Bang-Bang on Earth long enough to get some good work out of him, I'm looking forward to a Young Bucks heel run, and Moxley/Archer should be good. The promos between Jake and Mox are going to be golden. Also, hoping we get more NWA girls in to work with Shida.

There's a lot to get into after this show.

Nash Diesel
September 8th, 2020, 1:40 PM
Tony Khan said this show was much better than Payback.

Anyway

I give it 6/10. Like it was stated earlier, felt like a longer Dynamite.

I can't say I'm negative to any of the results including the battle royal. A few people are sour on the idea of Mox v. Archer considering Mox has had some pretty mediocre feuds with big dudes but the matches haven't sucked so that's a positive. Plus we have a little New Japan history between the 2 of them.

What's next for Jericho? The Inner Circle fell hard.

Very interested in what we're going to get with the tag division. FTR as champions is a positive for sure. If they can stay healthy, which shouldn't be an issue, I expect great things.

Sasori
September 8th, 2020, 6:57 PM
250,000 Covid cases linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally where Fozzy performed last month. Jericho's explanation for the appearance:


"We actually did four shows this week, and the reason for that is we had our ‘Save the World Tour,’ which was originally scheduled for April and May, but it got postponed to July and August, then got postponed to October and November. Four shows remained in August, and I was like ‘How?’ The shows are in South Dakota, and North Dakota, and we have one in Fort Madison, Iowa, which is right near the border of South Dakota. … The reason why the shows have happened is because these states of North Dakota and South Dakota have low COVID cases, less than 1,000 in both states, I think Florida had 9,000 today alone."

https://prowrestlingrecord.com/2020/09/08/venue-where-chris-jerichos-band-played-linked-to-250000-covid-19-cases?ref=aew

Spudz Mackenzie
September 8th, 2020, 7:01 PM
"Demo God" my ass.

Chris Jericho is the "Covid God".

Bert
September 8th, 2020, 11:34 PM
250,000 Covid cases linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally where Fozzy performed last month. Jericho's explanation for the appearance:



https://prowrestlingrecord.com/2020/09/08/venue-where-chris-jerichos-band-played-linked-to-250000-covid-19-cases?ref=aew

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/08/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-may-have-caused-250000-coronavirus-cases-economists-say/

A group of economists drawing on cell phone data to track movements and Covid-19 case data estimate that the Sturgis motorcycle rally in South Dakota in August could be responsible for 250,000 new Covid-19 cases, a startling figure that provides an early assessment of the effects of the large outdoor gathering, though the figure has not yet been corroborated by epidemiologists or officials.

:rolleyes:

Spudz Mackenzie
September 8th, 2020, 11:37 PM
All worth it to see Smashmouth.

*Coughs*... man, I feel a little woozy. Wonder what that's all about?

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:15 PM
Didn't Penta and Fenix have a great feud in Lucha Underground before this? They haven't always been partners, have they?

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:18 PM
I know Jake got clean a few years ago, but he still rambles like a drunk man.

He's really not a great promo like he used to be.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:21 PM
Nyla Rose/Tay Conti is nominally heel vs. heel. Also, its another chance for Nyla to bump for somebody about a quarter her size.

Good booking, guys. Keep it up.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:27 PM
Matt Hardy forgot to shout-out his gardener, his boat, and The Lake of Reincarnation.

He must still be a little loopy from the bump on his head.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:33 PM
Best Friends vs. Santana and Ortiz fighting over a minivan is AEW's version of Booker T and Edge fighting over shampoo.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:42 PM
*Sighs*... this is dying a painful death.

Nobody knows how commas work?

Happy birthday, Brian Pillman Jr.

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:43 PM
Okay, well this saved it.

MIRO DAY!!!!! MIRO DAY!!!!! MIRO DAY!!!!! MIRO DAY!!!!! MIRO DAY!!!!! MIRO DAY!!!!!!

JuveLeo
September 9th, 2020, 8:44 PM
WWE B is lit right now

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:45 PM
Miro out here with the blonde hair and the pink Mickey Mouse shirt... somehow this isn't working for me, dawg.

Tainted Eclipse
September 9th, 2020, 8:46 PM
i love rusev but ..... THIS is his debut??????

Spudz Mackenzie
September 9th, 2020, 8:47 PM
i love rusev but ..... THIS is his debut??????

Cornette's going to bury the ever loving shit out of this. And I can't wait.

Bert
September 9th, 2020, 8:48 PM
ITS MIROOOOO DAY!

JuveLeo
September 9th, 2020, 8:52 PM
New Twitch stable confirmed