All Elite Wrestling

[Nash Diesel]

Ya know, I was thinking Daniels would be a great person to lead the Dark Order. They can't drag this reveal out too much longer. If their options are limited, he's a good choice.

I mean, why not? Why not use who you have and again, it screams HIGHER POWER angle. And for the super marks, you know that Russo pitched, you guessed it, Chris Daniels as the reveal. Hell, even WCW started an angle where he was coming in as the Fallen Angel and was going to do some cult type shit with Vampiro I believe but then he botched a moonsault and they cut him lol. THey cut him, but kept The Genius on the payroll for 3 years so Savage wouldn't go to the WWF.

[Nash Diesel]

The Daniels thing looks like a red herring to me and Hardy just makes sense as the Exalted One. If anything, it comes across to me that they're running the gag that Daniels was going to be the Higher Power and dropped it so they're giving the vibe he's going to be one again just to zag.

Does Hardy makes sense solely because of the Broken Hardy stuff? If so, I find that gimmick to be something completely different than what Dark Order is trying to do. THere's almost something comical, almost whimsical about Broken Hardy. But I'm not trying to answer for you I'm just pitching my thoughts.

[BGMaverick]

Does Hardy makes sense solely because of the Broken Hardy stuff? If so, I find that gimmick to be something completely different than what Dark Order is trying to do. THere's almost something comical, almost whimsical about Broken Hardy. But I'm not trying to answer for you I'm just pitching my thoughts.

Not entirely. He's able to play darker and wicked. The eccentric part can be a take it or leave it scenario with whatever you want to make the character. He's clearly got pliability/range so it can fit.
Then looking from a behind the scenes aspect, he makes a ton of sense as a coach and producer.

[Nash Diesel]

Not entirely. He's able to play darker and wicked. The eccentric part can be a take it or leave it scenario with whatever you want to make the character. He's clearly got pliability/range so it can fit.
Then looking from a behind the scenes aspect, he makes a ton of sense as a coach and producer.

I definitely think he'd be an asset, to any company, when it comes to behind the scenes work.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm going out on a limb by saying that the sit down interview with Santana is arguably the best thing AEW has produced. I'd like to say better than any match as well, but there are a couple stellar matches I've seen in the last year so I can't give it that kind of nod. But I was like damn, this was incredible.

[Donald]

JR had the line of the night:

"Nyla Rose is now the KING of the mountain" !"

Yeah that was fucking funny. He added "...of the women's division" quietly after as if he realized what he had said.

[Nash Diesel]

Maybe Kenny Omanga is going to challenge Nyla Jax for the "women's" championship?

[Donald]

Why does Jim Cornette hate Kenny Omega?

[BGMaverick]

I'm going out on a limb by saying that the sit down interview with Santana is arguably the best thing AEW has produced. I'd like to say better than any match as well, but there are a couple stellar matches I've seen in the last year so I can't give it that kind of nod. But I was like damn, this was incredible.

It was worth it for the exposition and it could do a hell of a job in subversive way to undermine Jericho. The way they've portrayed Santana and maybe Ortiz, you'd think you could learn to love or enjoy them if it was actually presented in a favorable way. You can see them as guys (mainly Santana) who have been wronged by the randomness of life. A good back story would be that Jericho manipulated them and their street smarts/toughness to give them a better life but they're underlings and Jericho needed the muscle.

Speaking a muscle, Hager isn't saying much but he seems to be softening. The way he came on AEW programming to seeing him actively look for the camera and cheesing for it seemed interesting...especially in light of Cobb and his demeanor.

[Nash Diesel]

Why does Jim Cornette hate Kenny Omega?

Well, I think the original reason is because people kept hyping him up to Cornette then someone showed Cornette the match Omega had against a 9 year old girl, then a blow up doll, and he just lost his shit. I also think his tight butthole friendship with The Young Bucks, who never got a long with Jim dating back to Jim being in Ring of Honor and maybe even TNA.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZee90STHE

This is some brand new shit that they're going head to head about which also includes the heel turn by Dave Meltzer on his long time friend Jim Cornette---the fact JC was cool with Meltzer is probably more mind blowing than anything but he doesn't jerk off Meltzer and has no problem calling him out on his shit but he's somewhat respectful about it. Until Dave fucked up.

[Donald]

His living up his gimmick of being angry about everything.

[BGMaverick]

Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
Week four: 963,000 viewers
Week five: 759,000 viewers
Week six: 822,000 viewers
Week seven: 957,000 viewers
Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers
Week 19: 817,000 viewers

[JuveLeo]

Apparently Jeff Cobb is still free agent? If they don't sign him, i think it would be kind of stupid to put him in an angle with Moxley just for him to leave in a couple weeks

[BGMaverick]

Apparently Jeff Cobb is still free agent? If they don't sign him, i think it would be kind of stupid to put him in an angle with Moxley just for him to leave in a couple weeks

Depends on the line of thinking in regards to making it kind of stupid.

Cobb: Different audience, top tier opponent, and get to market yourself to whoever you want.
AEW: Show you're willing to play ball with different organizations who have someone under some kind of contract, show you're open to different characters getting a spotlight moment.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Chris Jericho bringing in "bounty hunter" types to soften up Jon Moxley ahead of their pay-per-view match is just another AEW rehash of the NWA angle where the heels put a bounty on Dusty Rhodes' head and different guys came in and out of the territory trying to collect on it. Its a nice way to bring some guys in for short stints without needing to make them permanent players.

Since AEW and MLW seem to have some kind of working relationship - or at least they share some talent, I'd be super hyped if AEW brought in Jacob Fatu to work with Moxley. He'd be perfect for the role.

[JuveLeo]

Depends on the line of thinking in regards to making it kind of stupid.

Cobb: Different audience, top tier opponent, and get to market yourself to whoever you want.
AEW: Show you're willing to play ball with different organizations who have someone under some kind of contract, show you're open to different characters getting a spotlight moment.Makes sense when you put it that way. It would be a nice addition if he was there permanently though.

[Sasori]

I don't have a problem with them bringing in talent on a temporary basis. It adds to the unpredictability of the show.

[BGMaverick]

I don't have a problem with them bringing in talent on a temporary basis. It adds to the unpredictability of the show.

If the in-house talent is driven, they'll also use it as motivation to show AEW doesn't need wrestler x to fill that role because they're just as valuable or more...which helps AEW in the end. Not very many scenarios where this hurts AEW.

[Tim]

Was totally unaware that Nya Rose was trans until seeing Dustin’s comments on the main page, it makes sense considering she absolutely looks like someone born a male but that’s pretty progressive of AEW.

[Jordo]

I simply cannot understand people being bothered by Nyla being a trans women and wrestling women.


Like I totally get people having issues with shoot sports. But it's fucking wrestling.

I dunno maybe I was giving wrestling fans too much credit but in my head wrestling was the perfect place for a trans women to be accepted. In the wrestling world we constantly have to turn our brains off, we accept the undertaker as a dead guy and Luchasaraus as a fucking dinosaur but this is a step to far apparently.

I know her being a women isn't a gimmick like those examples but you'd think in a world were we except nonsense that people would be able to at least call Nyla she and accept her as a women.

I get that this post could be construed as me being tranphobic but I don't know exactly the right way to get the point I'm making across. I full accept Nyla as a woman, both in and outside of the ring. I guess I thought that even wrestling fans with anti trans feelings would be able to wrap their head the transgender stuff through the lense of pro wrestling.

I've even seen people who enjoy intergender wrestling trying to have an issue with this

[Sasori]

If the in-house talent is driven, they'll also use it as motivation to show AEW doesn't need wrestler x to fill that role because they're just as valuable or more...which helps AEW in the end. Not very many scenarios where this hurts AEW.

Yup, it really is a win/win.

[Caito]

Yeah, I’m with Jordan here. Didn’t even know until saw about Twitter comments and whatnot.

Don’t really care about it. Like he said, it’s wrestling, at its core it’s pure entertainment, so whatever.

[Donald]

It's still real to me damnit.

[Nash Diesel]

Trans or not she's terrible. AEW's entire women's division needs an overhaul. I have yet to see 1 good women's wrestling match in this company, I'm sure they've had a few that maybe I didn't care for and didn't see.

Nyla coming out licking her fucking hand is more of an issue than what she used to be.

[Donald]

Trans or not she's terrible. AEW's entire women's division needs an overhaul. I have yet to see 1 good women's wrestling match in this company, I'm sure they've had a few that maybe I didn't care for and didn't see.

Nyla coming out licking her fucking hand is more of an issue than what she used to be.

I saw the match where she won the title. Nyla, to me, is like a less talented Nia Jax, who isn't really talented herself. It looked like Rhio (sp?) would work better with smaller women. It's like, Rhino woke up and forgot the N and now he's a 90 lbs. Japanese wrestler.

[Sasori]

Trans or not she's terrible. AEW's entire women's division needs an overhaul. I have yet to see 1 good women's wrestling match in this company, I'm sure they've had a few that maybe I didn't care for and didn't see.

Nyla coming out licking her fucking hand is more of an issue than what she used to be.

Did you miss last week's Women's title match? Everyone's been talking about how surprisingly good it was.

[Nash Diesel]

Did you miss last week's Women's title match? Everyone's been talking about how surprisingly good it was.

It was subpar. The chemistry isn't there and it was pretty sloppy. That flying knee that Nyla did was stiffer than me after Sunny signed my shirt back in 1996.

Let's ask Val Venis what he thought lol.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I really liked the match, but it was more of a, "Hey, it feels like they're finally getting it right."

I thought Nyla started a bit rough, but I think her performances since her re-entry have been a lot more focused and interesting.

[Nash Diesel]

I really liked the match, but it was more of a, "Hey, it feels like they're finally getting it right."

I thought Nyla started a bit rough, but I think her performances since her re-entry have been a lot more focused and interesting.

To me it was just another match that I didn't care one bit about. I wasn't shocked at all with the title change. Felt very reactionary to comments toward Kenny over the last weeks, maybe even month+ about his relationship with Riho and how that affects the booking.

The WWE's women division, NXT and NXT Uk included, just puts most companies to shame. Stardom is wonderful but it's not at the same level. Impact has always had a pretty good women's division. There a few really really solid wrestlers in NWA like Sienna who could definitely help AEW.

[Sasori]

To me it was just another match that I didn't care one bit about. I wasn't shocked at all with the title change. Felt very reactionary to comments toward Kenny over the last weeks, maybe even month+ about his relationship with Riho and how that affects the booking.

The WWE's women division, NXT and NXT Uk included, just puts most companies to shame. Stardom is wonderful but it's not at the same level. Impact has always had a pretty good women's division. There a few really really solid wrestlers in NWA like Sienna who could definitely help AEW.

The consensus seems to be that they put the title on Nyla because Riho still lives in Japan and they have to fly her back and forth. It's better to have a champion who can be on TV at any time and isn't costing extra travel expenses. It's worth noting that Riho's very popular, so it wasn't like she was holding the title hostage.

[Nash Diesel]

The consensus seems to be that they put the title on Nyla because Riho still lives in Japan and they have to fly her back and forth. It's better to have a champion who can be on TV at any time and isn't costing extra travel expenses. It's worth noting that Riho's very popular, so it wasn't like she was holding the title hostage.

It took them 5 months to realize that?

Is she very popular? I don't know much about who does what in terms of ratings, merch, etc. I don't really hear anyone praising her ability or what positives she offers. Honestly I heard constant criticism and then now lately the criticism has evolved from her performances and her look to "She's where she is due to being Omega's much younger girlfriend".

I get it, if it's costing them too much to fly her out the 5-6 times they've had to bring her to Dynamite or a ppv I get it. Seems deeper than that, like the timing just doesn't make sense. You have a ppv in 2 weeks, with no women's match on the card.....Why not wait instead of having this super cold title change?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Just imagine; in an alternate AEW timeline we could have had a hot, blonde, intelligent, and well spoken babyface Dr. Britt Baker DMD chasing the big, badass veteran heel Mercedes Martinez for the AEW Women's Title.

But now we've got a 98-pound Japanese school girl against someone who's only notable because she's transgender, with an alien, more tiny Japanese women, Super Bad's Super Skank girlfriend, and Big Suck aka Big Swole - Waiting in the wings as a series of potential challengers.

Its a fucking mess.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Dude...

[Spudz Mackenzie]

AEW's Women's Division is rough. Its not completely without merit, but its very often the worst or the silliest part of any given episode of Dynamite.

[Matthew]

Dude...

tries way too hard

[Tainted Eclipse]

Britt Baker is worse in the ring than all those people you mention in that second scenario though

[Spudz Mackenzie]

tries way too hard

Everything I said was true. AEW's Women's Division is basically an alien, Penelope Ford, several tiny Japanese women of various talent levels, Allie - who's a goth bunny dominatrix, and Big Swole - Who's the shits.

[Tainted Eclipse]

AEW's Women's Division is rough. Its not completely without merit, but its very often the worst or the silliest part of any given episode of Dynamite.
Well that’s certainly true. Riho was at least over and got the crowd really into her matches by the end of them.

[Nash Diesel]

Britt Baker fucking sucks. She's easy on the eyes but that's about it and I'm being nice so a couple people in this thread don't get any more offended than they already are lol.

Riho was over with a crowd that jerk off to hentai and get a kick out of "Jesus" and "Scooby Doo" wrestling in dark matches. People get worried when the NRA has a gathering, be even more worried about the Dynamite turnout. It's like a traveling cult.

[Donald]

Britt Baker fucking sucks. She's easy on the eyes but that's about it and I'm being nice so a couple people in this thread don't get any more offended than they already are lol.

Riho was over with a crowd that jerk off to hentai and get a kick out of "Jesus" and "Scooby Doo" wrestling in dark matches. People get worried when the NRA has a gathering, be even more worried about the Dynamite turnout. It's like a traveling cult.

The WWE equivalent would be letting Brock Lesnar guy fight Angry Miz Girl?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Britt Baker isn't the worst in the ring.

And that's why I said, in an alternate timeline, we'd have Britt/Mercedes around the horn, so Mercedes could use her 25,000 years of wrestling experience to guide her through the feud and help her get more seasoned in the ring.

There's no ring generals in the female talent pool of AEW. Its a lot of girls with tons of potential, but who are unproven talents and don't even have any TV time under their belts. Wrestling in Japan isn't equivalent at this point to American wrestling. So the women they've brought in from Japan don't have a hugely applicable skill set, either.

[Nash Diesel]

Britt Baker isn't the worst in the ring.

And that's why I said, in an alternate timeline, we'd have Britt/Mercedes around the horn, so Mercedes could use her 25,000 years of wrestling experience to guide her through the feud and help her get more seasoned in the ring.

There's no ring generals in the female talent pool of AEW. Its a lot of girls with tons of potential, but who are unproven talents and don't even have any TV time under their belts. Wrestling in Japan isn't equivalent at this point to American wrestling. So the women they've brought in from Japan don't have a hugely applicable skill set, either.

Oh she's not the worst in the world but she still sucks. Her gimmick is almost as cringe as Henry Cejudo.

You're right, no ring generals in the female talent pool. And you have a guy booking the division who only really understands 1 style of women's wrestling and he's trying to mesh it with people who don't really work that style (Nyla, Britt, the alien, Big Swole, ok so everyone that isn't Japanese fighting at Tinkerbell weight).

They need Gail Kim.

[Donald]

Isn't Gail Kim 70 at this point

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Isn't Gail Kim 70 at this point

She's 70 in wrestling years.

[Nash Diesel]

They lack that solid veteran. The men have Goldust and Jericho for fuck's sake, 2 of the absolute best workers both in-ring and psychology. That's just the on-air talent, factor in Arn Anderson, Dean Malenko, Tully Blanchard, DDP. Shit even Cody is no dummy. Who do the women have? Bring in someone like Gail Kim, even if it's just to help with what we see on tv and she's not actually wrestling, that'd be huge. What's Madusa been up to? She'd be another good person behind the scenes.

- - - Updated - - -


Isn't Gail Kim 70 at this point

She's 42.

[Donald]

Sorry.

[Nash Diesel]

Sorry.

Better be.

:)

Women age so much better than men these days. She's 42 and looks almost the same as she did when she was 30.

[BGMaverick]

Part of the issue I see with AEW, specifically in this example with the women, is questioning when they're actually able to improve? There's a convenience that is being presented to the talent. In Baker's case, she's able to maintain her literal practicing as a dentist. I imagine that takes up a decent amount of her remaining time. She obviously has a life outside of wrestling with her personal relationship. When is she supposed to develop and is the time available actually providing a learning curve rate that is acceptable?

[Sinner]

Riho should have not been the champion yet, she should have went on a streak of roll up victories.

Play the story that she is small, but has great technique. And she CAN beay anybody.

They would be drama in the eventual title match.

Now I don't have much interest in her chasing the belt.

Yuka Sakasaki can fill this role!

[Sasori]

I don't understand how they couldn't find a few decent Women to build the division around instead of having to scrape the bottom of the barrel for the most part. Are they all tied up in some other promotion? I get that they want to be inclusive, but starting up a division way before it was ready just makes everyone involved look bad.


It took them 5 months to realize that?

Is she very popular? I don't know much about who does what in terms of ratings, merch, etc. I don't really hear anyone praising her ability or what positives she offers. Honestly I heard constant criticism and then now lately the criticism has evolved from her performances and her look to "She's where she is due to being Omega's much younger girlfriend".

I get it, if it's costing them too much to fly her out the 5-6 times they've had to bring her to Dynamite or a ppv I get it. Seems deeper than that, like the timing just doesn't make sense. You have a ppv in 2 weeks, with no women's match on the card.....Why not wait instead of having this super cold title change?

Riho definitely had allot of criticism in the beginning, but over time, she won over fans. She's a natural babyface and one of the only likeable women in the division by virtue of it being so thin. I haven't seen every women's match, but Riho's the only one I can think of who's done dives, so that doesn't hurt. She still has critics, but I think they're in the minority.

Even though the title change came out of nowhere, the crowd was hot as hell for it, but then again they were hot the entire night. There's been zero build for the Women's title going into the PPV, so I don't really have a problem with this. Baker's the only one getting any sort of development, so I expect she'll wrestle Nyla at Revolution.

[Nash Diesel]

Part of the issue I see with AEW, specifically in this example with the women, is questioning when they're actually able to improve? There's a convenience that is being presented to the talent. In Baker's case, she's able to maintain her literal practicing as a dentist. I imagine that takes up a decent amount of her remaining time. She obviously has a life outside of wrestling with her personal relationship. When is she supposed to develop and is the time available actually providing a learning curve rate that is acceptable?

Probably one of the big downsides to AEW is the lack of house shows. NXT for example doesn't just shoot on Wednesdays. They're still out there working small shows, honing their craft and improving. Even the veterans. AEW talent that aren't high paid talent are probably still working smaller promotions, improving, but are they LEARNING? I think another downside to AEW in this regard is the fact that talent are booking the show. Yes, Tony Khan has stepped in and his credentials are basically a rich as fuck family and being a 20+ year fan.

So he's basically going to get the Bischoff treatment where he's going to listen to the veterans while getting pulled different directions by various wrestlers and their particular vision. Again, why is Kenny Omega booking the women? Who is helping him or is he just doing this shit on his own while still trying to maintain a presence in the ring? And is he just BOOKING them or is he offering advice?

It's almost like not knowing what all the coaches for your favorite baseball team are actually doing so how do you build faith and trust in a company in this day and age? Obviously this is from the point of view as a super fan as there are levels to this fan shit and how we all watch differently. I don't watch wrestling the same way my 9 year old daughter watches or my 58 year old mother or my 35 year old brother. We all digest the product differently and expect and know different things. So while my casual brother doesn't care I do.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't understand how they couldn't find a few decent Women to build the division around instead of having to scrape the bottom of the barrel for the most part. Are they all tied up in some other promotion? I get that they want to be inclusive, but starting up a division way before it was ready just makes everyone involved look bad.

See, I don't think they are scraping the bottom of the barrel but that is coming from someone who really only watches 3 promotions with women's wrestling: WWE (everything under that umbrella obviously), AEW, and a little bit of Stardom here and there. Even then I'm usually watching some of the stuff that's 3-5 years old, some new stuff.

It could be that they grabbed who they had actually watched and were impressed by but they still don't really have any depth. Plus most of us that watch AEW are probably also watching WWE product, including NXT. So you compare the 2 shows, Dynamite and NXT, the women's divisions are night and day in terms of quality. That could also be a major issues for fans. The majority of AEW's in-ring product is pretty fuckin dope, the expectations for the women are going to be the same especially when you're approaching the business the way AEW is. You want to have talent like Sonny Kiss and Nyla Rose be accepted, you need to make sure that everything is as good as the next.




definitely had allot of criticism in the beginning, but over time, she won over fans. She's a natural babyface and one of the only likeable women in the division by virtue of it being so thin. I haven't seen every women's match, but Riho's the only one I can think of who's done dives, so that doesn't hurt. She still has critics, but I think they're in the minority.

Even though the title change came out of nowhere, the crowd was hot as hell for it, but then again they were hot the entire night. There's been zero build for the Women's title going into the PPV, so I don't really have a problem with this. Baker's the only one getting any sort of development, so I expect she'll wrestle Nyla at Revolution.

Yeah I noticed there were some people in the crowd pretty jazzed up about Nyla winning. But like I said earlier, this is the same crowd that is Cena Rumble return popping for South Park Jesus and Dooby Doo beating legit wrestlers. They Beatles pop for Tony Khan stunning a 15 year professional. IMO, Adolf Hitler and Donald Trump could show up and they'd mark out like it was 1985 and I'm a teenage girl seeing Michael Jackson moonwalk for the first time.

With all of that said.......The title change was pointless. You want to have the Native Beast come in and lick her hand and smear it all over the fuckin place making my stomach turn due a slobber phobia I have, go right ahead. But why do it on a random show with a ppv coming up that you're hoping people will buy for more than 1 match? If I were AEW I would have had Nyla go for the mega cheap pop she's been doing with the tables and just top rope powerslam Riho through one, get a DQ, have a tables match, and Nyla can win it that way, at a ppv.

Shit the way it's coming across we might see a triple threat between Nyla, Pac, and Omega for the women's championship.

[Psycho666Soldier]

What is this you keep talking about with Scooby Doo and Jesus? Was this something that happened at the show last week off camera?

[Nash Diesel]

What is this you keep talking about with Scooby Doo and Jesus? Was this something that happened at the show last week off camera?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrsP22N_yGo

[Donald]

Oddly enough, Dustin Runnells is the same age as Jesus.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Oddly enough, Dustin Runnells is the same age as Jesus.

He was there when they crucified him.

He would've helped, but he had an opening match against Terry Taylor in Georgia that afternoon.

[Nash Diesel]

You could seriously have a live rape on Dynamite and people would be chanting "One More Time"

[Rancid_Planet]

Sometimes AEW feels like WWE if nobody was there to rein in Vince.

And yet, because it's competition to Vince, the fans will eat it up like it's actually what they've been wanting.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Sometimes AEW feels like WWE if nobody was there to rein in Vince.

And yet, because it's competition to Vince, the fans will eat it up like it's actually what they've been wanting.

AEW is WWE if Vince wasn't there to pull on the reins.

[lotjx]

We are not even a year into this company and people are bitching about the women's division which WWE did not get right until 5 years ago.

[Rancid_Planet]

We are not even a year into this company and people are bitching about the women's division which WWE did not get right until 5 years ago.

And I would have and did say the same thing about women's wrestling in WWE back then.

If you don't have the talent, don't bother.

But I can't blame AEW for wanting to jump on the wagon either.


AEW is WWE if Vince wasn't there to pull on the reins.

If you say so. I havent watched since November but it seems to be an awful lot of goofy fucking shit.

[Morrison]

Sometimes AEW feels like WWE if nobody was there to rein in Vince.

And yet, because it's competition to Vince, the fans will eat it up like it's actually what they've been wanting.

what in the hell are you talking about?

[Psycho666Soldier]

I think some of this is being blown out of proportion. All wrestling fans cheer silly, stupid shit when they're hyped for a product and/or it's fun. I don't see what the big deal about the Jesus/Scooby thing is. It was a non-televised spot that they did for fun. It's not like it was the main event of Dynamite.

Just as much as there are a lot of AEW fans that'll cheer whatever they do, there are a lot of WWE fans who do the same. That doesn't mean they'd cheer a "live rape". Let's not forget how the crowd completely buried The Nightmare Collective and the early incarnation of The Dark Order.

And AEW isn't just the goofy shit that people are bitching about. There's a lot of deeper, serious content. Like everything with Cody. Everything with Moxley and the Inner Circle. Omega and Page.

The show might not be perfect, but it's fresh. They're trying things that others won't and interacting with fans in engaging ways to show appreciation for their support. They're putting effort into improvement and constantly adjusting as fans heap praise and complaints.

Yeah, AEW's women's division may be it's weakest point. But making mistakes doesn't mean you aren't doing anything right.

[VHS]

AEW is getting more credit than it deserves because it's WWE's competition.But don't get me wrong... there's a lot still wrong w/ WWE.

[Nash Diesel]

I stand by my claim that an AEW crowd would in fact cheer live rape. They'd also cheer Justin Bieber pinning Jericho for the title because it'd be funny. Ever see Idiocracy? Kind of the vibe I get with some of these fans.

And I get that the WWE has their own die hard fans but I talk about them in the WWE threads lol. I don't need to say "Well WWE does this kind of shit too!" Oh well. We'll talk about that dumb shit in the thread it belongs. For now, let's just accept that AEW has a shit women's division. IDC if it took WWE 47 years to get it right I was still shitting on them when it's bad because it's not perfect by any means.

[Psycho666Soldier]

But the bit about crowds is not true. I just gave you two examples of when they didn't just go along with something.

All wrestling companies have their die-hard fans is what I'm saying. But clearly, by the fact that we watch AEW and have gripes with it, it's proven that not everyone will just go along happily with what they're feeding.

[Sinner]

Cody is acting like a true AEW fan.

What a fucking idiot.

I was banned from reddit for comparing Nyla Rose' title win to Harvey Wipplemans.

We are living in crazy world

[Donald]

What has Cody done that makes him a fucking idiot?

[Sinner]

Typical bully leftist shit. If you don't agree that Nyla Rose IS a woman, and that this debate is meaningless because of that FACT, then you are an irrelevant bigot asshole who shouldn't be allowed to speak.

When did people stop being able to have opinions?

I defended the decision to put the belt on Nyla, but I voiced the opinion that SHE should be competing against men - because I think that would help legitimize her more in the eyes of casuals. At that is apparently hateful.

Cody is saying that Val Venis (and anyone else) shouldnt be allowed to speak because it's not the Approved Opinion.

Also, Cody and Kenny (and AEW in general) keep doubling down on their stance that anyone who is a fan of Jim Cornette is an idiot.


There's no tolerance for any deviation in thought. I find it hard to support people who behave this way

[Donald]

Typical bully leftist shit. If you don't agree that Nyla Rose IS a woman, and that this debate is meaningless because of that FACT, then you are an irrelevant bigot asshole who shouldn't be allowed to speak.

When did people stop being able to have opinions?

I defended the decision to put the belt on Nyla, but I voiced the opinion that SHE should be competing against men - because I think that would help legitimize her more in the eyes of casuals. At that is apparently hateful.

Cody is saying that Val Venis (and anyone else) shouldnt be allowed to speak because it's not the Approved Opinion.

Also, Cody and Kenny (and AEW in general) keep doubling down on their stance that anyone who is a fan of Jim Cornette is an idiot.


There's no tolerance for any deviation in thought. I find it hard to support people who behave this way

Yeah, I read that article. Said he wasn't going to give Val Venis any oxygen but isn't mentioning him at all giving him oxygen? Just seems weird.

[Nash Diesel]

I think Jim Cornette laid it out pretty well when talking about this Nyla-Riho match. Nyla should have destroyed Riho. It shouldn't have been a 2 segment match. Maybe they were going for a Samoa Joe v. Rey Mysterio competitive back and forth but when someone is outweighed by another human being by 150-200lbs there's no reason for this match to go as long as it did.

And I also agree that AEW should embrace the "controversy". They want to have an edge, I'm waiting for a bio female to step up and say some wild shit. "You knew you couldn't hack it as a male wrestler so you switched sides" type shit. Why not? Rose is a heel right?

[Morrison]

Typical bully leftist shit. If you don't agree that Nyla Rose IS a woman, and that this debate is meaningless because of that FACT, then you are an irrelevant bigot asshole who shouldn't be allowed to speak.

When did people stop being able to have opinions?

I defended the decision to put the belt on Nyla, but I voiced the opinion that SHE should be competing against men - because I think that would help legitimize her more in the eyes of casuals. At that is apparently hateful.

Cody is saying that Val Venis (and anyone else) shouldnt be allowed to speak because it's not the Approved Opinion.

Also, Cody and Kenny (and AEW in general) keep doubling down on their stance that anyone who is a fan of Jim Cornette is an idiot.


There's no tolerance for any deviation in thought. I find it hard to support people who behave this way

lol

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah its weird how being a bigot will get you labelled as one, Its like Spudz spirit has taken over him. Damn the leftists though.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Yeah its weird how being a bigot will get you labelled as one, Its like Spudz spirit has taken over him. Damn the leftists though.

I stopped being a transphobe a long time ago, dude.

That was immature and stupid of me.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Hey, hey... Who's ready for another packed night of AEW Wrestling action on AEW Wednesday Night...

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We're live from the former WCW Wrestling Hotbed- the capital city of the peach state...

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For a night of exciting wrestling action! As...

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AEW Crowns #1 Contenders For The Tag-Team Champions In A Tag-Team Battle Royal- Featuring (Deep Breath) - The Young Bucks, The Dark Order, Best Friends, The Hybrid 2, The Butcher, The Baker, The Blade, and Allie- The Boner Dick Maker, Private Party, Jurassic Express, and "Don't Call Us LAX" - Santana and Ortiz

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For The AEW Tag-Team Championship - "Hangman" Adam Page and Kenny Omega (C) vs. The Lucha Brothers

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Jeff Cobb - Making His Official AEW In-Ring Debut vs. Jon "An Eye For An Eye Makes The Whole World Blind" Moxley


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And in The Main Event: AEW's First Ever Cage Match - Wardlow vs. Cody Rhodes

[Tainted Eclipse]

in atlanta, CAGE MATCH main event, battle royal to start the show, nice old school feel.

[Defrost]

Is that Raven?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Wow... don't ask JR to do commentary when he's hungry.

I LIKE CAKE!!!!.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Man, its hard to remember, but there was a time there when CIMA felt like a huge deal in wrestling.

Now he's barely a bit player in AEW.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Have any of the announcers mentioned Shanna's dressed like Goku from Dragon Ball Z?

[Beer-Belly]

I liked when JR noped the fuck out or Statlander's alien backstory. A rare case of him being a curmudgeon actually working.

[Psycho666Soldier]

That was probably the best women's match in AEW up to this point.

I'm glad Statlander had come around. I think the quick push she was given gave her the jitters, because she was solid her first week, then sucked her next couple weeks. She looked really good here.

[Defrost]

Man, its hard to remember, but there was a time there when CIMA felt like a huge deal in wrestling.

Now he's barely a bit player in AEW.

Stronghearts are a big deal literally everywhere they work, but here

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Stronghearts are a big deal literally everywhere they work, but here

CIMA just had a World Title shot against Jacob Fatu in MLW.

Contra Unit vs. The Stronghearts was a fun feud.

- - - Updated - - -

Tony's voice is shot.

Is it college baseball season now?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I'm not making fun, but given her voice, you can totally tell Nyla Rose is trans.

She doesn't have a female voice. She sounds like a man trying to sound like a woman.

[VHS]

*cringe*

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Big Swole needs more time in whatever developmental system AEW has.

She wants to be Bianca Belaire so bad it hurts. But in the ring she just can't pull it off.

[Morrison]

I'm not making fun, but given her voice, you can totally tell Nyla Rose is trans.

She doesn't have a female voice. She sounds like a man trying to sound like a woman.

ffs. no. there are plenty of women that don't sound stereo-typically feminine. what the fuck is wrong with you.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

ffs. no. there are plenty of women that don't sound stereo-typically feminine. what the fuck is wrong with you.

Its probably a little bit of confirmation bias, but I feel like with Nyla, you can hear it very specifically.

[mth]

Its probably a little bit of confirmation bias, but I feel like with Nyla, you can hear it very specifically.
What are you doing right now? Like, what's the point of bringing this up? All you're doing is underlining that you're still very hung up on the fact that she's trans despite insisting you're not transphobic...

[VHS]

A fan in the front row is dressed as Scooby Doo. What the fuck.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

What are you doing right now? Like, what's the point of bringing this up? All you're doing is underlining that you're still very hung up on the fact that she's trans despite insisting you're not transphobic...

I'm watching the program, listening to her promo, and making an observation.

[VHS]

Nice debut for Jeff, I guess? Ehh.

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I'm watching the program, listening to her promo, and making an observation.

Bro, you said you'd stop this though.

[VHS]

Why do they just wait there like idiots for him to skateboard down to the ring?

[Tainted Eclipse]

I'm watching the program, listening to her promo, and making an observation.

yeah really i don't see what's objectionable about it. it's not a charitable observation but wrestlers get uncharitable observations made about all of their characteristics all the time.

[Beer-Belly]

A fan in the front row is dressed as Scooby Doo. What the fuck.

He was there last week as well.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Nice debut for Jeff, I guess? Ehh.

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Bro, you said you'd stop this though.

I'm sorry I brought it up.

---

At least Jeff Cobb got a good match out of his debut. He threw Mox around like a sack of spudz... err.. spuds, and Mox only caught him by barely hooking him up and cinching in a pin, after he got suplexed off the top. Cobb still looks like a beast and Mox just looks wily and/or lucky.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

He was there last week as well.

Scooby-Doo and AEW Jesus should have been in the tag-team battle royal earlier.

[Beer-Belly]

Scooby-Doo and AEW Jesus should have been in the tag-team battle royal earlier.

They both got in the ring after the show went off the air last week. Both Jesus and Scooby pinned QT Marshall or Brandon Cutler.

[VHS]

There's something about Kenny Omega that makes him look so bored and unsure of himself when he's out there.

[Morrison]

Why do they just wait there like idiots for him to skateboard down to the ring?

what is the benefit of rushing up the ramp to him?

[VHS]

what is the benefit of rushing up the ramp to him?

To beat the shit out of him before he beats the shit out of them with his skateboard.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

That was about a 45-second long "10 seconds".

Man.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

To beat the shit out of him before he beats the shit out of them with his skateboard.

Skateboard or not, 4 guys, especially with two dudes the size of Jeff Cobb and Jake Hager should be able to murder Darby Allin. Its wrestling. Logic doesn't always have a place here.

[Morrison]

To beat the shit out of him before he beats the shit out of them with his skateboard.

no, that's the intent, what is the benefit of rushing instead of waiting? you funnel yourselves up a ramp to a guy who has higher ground instead of waiting for the guy to come down and have to make himself vulnerable in some way in order to enter the ring, which allows them to attack and get shots in before he can do the same to them. there's literally no tactical advantage to rushing him.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I don't care how, why, where, or when - I want an Adam Page vs. Jeff Cobb match.

[Beer-Belly]

To beat the shit out of him before he beats the shit out of them with his skateboard.

Why would they leave the ring and let Mox and Dustin recover? In the ring they could at least keep an eye on them while they attempt gang up on Darby.

[VHS]

no, that's the intent, what is the benefit of rushing instead of waiting? you funnel yourselves up a ramp to a guy who has higher ground instead of waiting for the guy to come down and have to make himself vulnerable in some way in order to enter the ring, which allows them to attack and get shots in before he can do the same to them. there's literally no tactical advantage to rushing him.

The high ground? I take it all back. You're right.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U80xN_FDt78


Why would they leave the ring and let Mox and Dustin recover? In the ring they could at least keep an eye on them while they attempt gang up on Darby.

They had them all laying. So they could swarm Darby and stomp him to oblivion and head to the back just in time for some bubbley.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

There's a dude in the front row wearing an Enzo and Cass shirt.

Somehow, that's more embarrassing than dressing like Scooby-Doo.

[Tainted Eclipse]

how they gonna go to commercial on hangman drinking beer

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I've seen one Wardlow match in my entire life.

And it was a pretty poor match against MOOSE... MOOSE... at some crappy indie show.

Definitely keeping an open mind for tonight.

[Tainted Eclipse]

hoping for some BLOOD

[JuveLeo]

Only pinfall or submission? No climbing out for the win?

Edit: only 15 minutes left on the show... seems like this will be a short match

[VHS]

What's Arn Anderson got in his hand, a wrestling chart? :lol:

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Man, imagine if we got some TV Blood.... ​

[Spudz Mackenzie]

We've got a GUSHER ​here, people.

[Tainted Eclipse]

BLOOD

[Spudz Mackenzie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZF5m-vmDzM

[Spudz Mackenzie]

HOLY SHIT!!!

[Defrost]

That was really good. Wardlow was much better than I expected.

[JuveLeo]

Great finish by Cody. Wardlow also did well in his debut match. Awesome main event!

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Give Wardlow a metric fuckton of credit for that, too. He was right there to catch him. Half an inch off and Cody would be wheeling himself into Revolution in a nice, shiny new wheelchair.

[Horatio]

Cody looked like Mistico flying into bolivian.

Thanks for the blood alert guys.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the whole presentation of that was great. felt more like a BIG MATCH than any WWE match i can remember in years.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Holy shit, the whole show tonight was super fun.

I almost wish this weekend was Revolution. Next week's Dynamite feels like a lame duck episode.

- Super fun battle royal. Every team got a time to shine and got to get there shit in. For the sake of having a great pay-per-view match, the right team won.

- Kris Statlander shook off her Sophomore slump and had a solid match. Good for her. Her vs. Nyla is certainly a way to go.

- The tag-team title match was super fun. They just need to figure out that "10 seconds" doesn't mean "45 seconds, but the ref only starts counting guys down after 35 seconds". Maybe AEW could just make a decision to say, if there's a tag-team match, all four guys can be in the ring for 1 minute, as long as the two legal guys are wrestling each other. If they begin double-teaming, then the ref starts his count. That way, they could contrive a reason why all four dudes are allowed in the ring together, at any given time.

- Jon Moxley vs. Jeff Cobb was fun as Hell. Cobb looked like a wild ass beast tossing Mox around like a pizza dough, before you put the toppings on. Mox just got lucky and it was a fun finish. Sort of felt proper old-school "NWA".

- That cage match was great. Wardlow is a shockingly solid big guy. And blood. So oddly refreshing to see blood in wrestling again. And holy fuck that finish. Cody's moonsaults haven't always been fantastic, but he hit that shit spot on.

I'm pumped for Revolution. I don't know about you guys.

[Sinner]

is Sammy G dead?

[BGMaverick]

Good alteration to the tag team battle royal, making it to where it was required that both tag team members had to be thrown over in order to be eliminated. There was definitely a desire to get a lot of stuff in while all of the teams were involved. Made it kind of hard for everything to get seen but that's the give and take that goes on in that kind of scenario. The right team won, obviously, and sets the stage for what should be a good tag title match at Revolution.

Ross didn't give a shit about the alien gimmick for Statlander, which was pretty humorous. Probably not ideal from a continuity standpoint but JR is going to call it like he sees it, for better or for worse. At least the match itself was a step in the right direction for the division.

With the fact that Cobb isn't officially inked, according to most or all reports, it makes sense that this was a good one-week experiment with attempts to get different talent from other promotions on broadcasts. It did present a nice short-term roadblock for Moxley and helped continue the idea of building momentum for him towards the title match. Feel like there's way more meat on the bone with Moxley and Allin having potential for an alliance but they're nearly out of time when it comes to Revolution. It didn't make a lot of sense for why Tazz suddenly did commentary for the match.

Unless it's the norm for title matches, it didn't make a lick of sense as to why there was a 60-minute time limit for the tag title match. If they went the full 60, the show would have been over and there wouldn't be a winner...and the much-hyped cage match never would have made it to air, lol. As for the match, it was bonkers and entertaining, as expected.

The reveal of the action figures was pretty cool.

It still makes me laugh that they're going with the coach approach for Arn, even equipped with the laminated colored play sheet. Doesn't make any sense for him to have that based on what wrestling is, but it is good commitment to the bit. Very good first showing for Wardlow. That really could have been a disaster but he was more than up holding up his end of the match. In addition, he was where he needed to be for the moonsault spot and took that like a champ. Another good all around performance by Cody. He had a heck of a promo after Dynamite went off the air, too.

One big advantage AEW has versus its Wednesday night counterpart is the atmosphere. Full Sail had a dud of a night, and AEW always does well in that regard. You're not going to get a Portland Takeover crowd every week with NXT but the difference is rather noticeable. It was on display in a big way this week.

[Sasori]

Damn, another great show! They've been building up so much momentum these past couple weeks. The closer we get to the PPV, the more important it feels.

[Donald]

the whole presentation of that was great. felt more like a BIG MATCH than any WWE match i can remember in years.

Surely you just mean on the TV shows? WWE has had several big match PPVs in recent years

[Tainted Eclipse]

Not really

[Psycho666Soldier]

In honor of Sammy G's decimation at Revolution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugD3_yt756w

[BGMaverick]

Next day thoughts on Dynamite:

The no sell on Raven being in the crowd was probably a good gag to run. I doubt it actually leads into anything substantial going forward, but it was good.

I liked the comfort Rose showed with the promo. It felt a little forced in the sense of trying to get hive over but I thought it was an effective promo.

Will be interesting to see how they continue to chart the course for Omega and Hangman. Seemed destined that Hangman was going to be the man to turn but there's too much found money with him now and Omega clearly has the ability to play a heel in him so there's a variety of ways they can go...which is ideal.

[Ringo]

Another outstanding show from AEW last night. They're really getting good at doing wrestling on TV.

- Battle Royal was a great opener that featured a number of stories and the right team winning. I didn't notice Raven the first time, only after reading online, but that was a cool little thing to do. Big hint or red herring? :chin: Was good to see the Butcher getting some shine here. I was well into the stare down and exchange with Luchasaurus. Still want more big boys in this promotion. Orange Cassidy saving Trent was terrific as it came out of nowhere and the superkick to Sammy was absolutely nuts. We'll be seeing that over and over in packages I'm sure.
- One of the better women's matches in AEW so far and Stadtlander is back to looking like a player.
- Nyla Rose got a good reaction. Funny how no one seemed to give a shit about her being transgender until she actually won the title. Anyway the internet chatter has likely only helped her career. I thought she did well on the microphone there. Not sure about Spudz' comparison of Big Swole with Bianca Belair. Yes she is a black woman but her mannerisms seem wildly different.
- The crowd singing along to Judas after the music stops is becoming my new favourite thing. Sammy rocking out was class. Tazz on commentary for this one - interesting as Cobb feels like a modern day Tazz in many ways. This was good and the right call for Mox to win even though Cobb losing his first AEW match seems wrong. He should go on a tear now, make an angle out of Jericho holding him down and then have him turn on him imo.
- Darby feels like such a star. AEW's Sting. They've done a great job with his presentation.
- That tag title match was a blast. All four guys are particularly engaging so at no point did I tune out like I have with other flashy AEW tag matches.
- Cage match was really just perfect. Big match feel. The cage looked great. Super tall and imposing with that structure along the corners and top. Dangerous looking with that gap between the ring and the cage (and really probably is so I wonder if that changes). Pretty sure it's the first Wardlow match I've seen and he looked great chucking Cody around (and that swanton out of nowhere!). The spot with Arn teasing smashing the door into Cody before hitting MJF was great too. Cody bled all over the place and then the moonsault from the top was just nuts.

If I hadn't seen any of the TV building up to Revolution and you'd shown me the card for the show, I probably wouldn't be that interested. But having seen the great build, I can't wait. I'd still like some more additions to the roster, especially in the women's division and the style of wrestling prevalent on the show really isn't my favourite but the booking and presentation of the shows has been on point and it really can't be overstated how much better than WWE they are right now at making guys look like stars.

[Nash Diesel]

I feel the same way about Hangman Page as I do Adam Cole. They're almost twins. The way they look, the way they work, promos, event their names have the same amount of letters. And I've always disliked Page going back to his early ROH days coming out wearing a John Deere hat. He's just not for me.

Orange Cassidy on the other hand......Magical.

I'm all about some AEW action figures. They looked pretty sweet when I had a closer look at them on Ringside's IG page.

Honest question about Cody......If you took how he books himself in AEW, could that have worked at the top tier level in WWE for him? I think so. I think right now we're seeing what we saw with Christian in TNA. Given the chance, they can deliver at the top. Cody unfortunately just didn't have the time to wait around for his turn and had to get out and it paid off.

[Ringo]

I used to feel the same way about Page. In ROH... in New Japan. Did absolutely nothing for me, even though you could tell he had solid fundamentals. But that's all changed with the way he's gotten over on Dynamite recently. He's got personality now and comes across like a star.

[Nash Diesel]

A
- Nyla Rose got a good reaction. Funny how no one seemed to give a shit about her being transgender until she actually won the title.

They did, it just blew up even more when AEW actually gave her the title. Which I don't see how that was a shock when AEW has what, 4 women on the roster that are actual wrestlers? Kong just left, the bald chick is MIA, so that leaves us with Bianca 2.0, Karolina from The Runaways (not as hot but that's the vibe I get when I see her lol), Nyla, and Riho. Not sure if anyone else is signed.

[BGMaverick]

One more thing I forgot: The kick to Guevara when he ran in during the battle royal was epic. It looked like instant death. Great...but I didn't like the fact he was right back at it, happy and chill as hell when he came out with Hager and Jericho for Cobb's match. I mean, it made sense as to why he needed to be there, but it took some heat away from the brutal kick.




Honest question about Cody......If you took how he books himself in AEW, could that have worked at the top tier level in WWE for him? I think so. I think right now we're seeing what we saw with Christian in TNA. Given the chance, they can deliver at the top. Cody unfortunately just didn't have the time to wait around for his turn and had to get out and it paid off.

It'd be really hard to screw it up. WWE is not good at consistently booking faces so if you take that issue away and have Cody booked this way, it would click. This is an instance where commentary or ancillary storytelling could enhance him. Think of how he's booked and how they will hit you over the head with legacy and lineage if you have it (Cena, Orton, Triple H, Flair, etc.). I'm not saying Cody is on that tier but those guys have a legacy that can be retold in a simple two-three sentence outline by a commentator and it just adds more context.

For what happened, I don't think Cody was going to get his turn. Either that, or he didn't believe he was. I think he needed the rejection to recharge and get the hunger elevated, like McIntyre.

[Nash Diesel]

Yeah its weird how being a bigot will get you labelled as one, Its like Spudz spirit has taken over him. Damn the leftists though.

You sir need to stop. You're a fucking racist, you were literally banned for it.

[Ringo]

Apparently Shanna, Sadie Gibbs, Mel, Rose, Shida, Swole, Britt, Priestley, Sakura and Statlander are all signed to contracts.

[Nash Diesel]

One more thing I forgot: The kick to Guevara when he ran in during the battle royal was epic. It looked like instant death. Great...but I didn't like the fact he was right back at it, happy and chill as hell when he came out with Hager and Jericho for Cobb's match. I mean, it made sense as to why he needed to be there, but it took some heat away from the brutal kick.



It'd be really hard to screw it up. WWE is not good at consistently booking faces so if you take that issue away and have Cody booked this way, it would click. This is an instance where commentary or ancillary storytelling could enhance him. Think of how he's booked and how they will hit you over the head with legacy and lineage if you have it (Cena, Orton, Triple H, Flair, etc.). I'm not saying Cody is on that tier but those guys have a legacy that can be retold in a simple two-three sentence outline by a commentator and it just adds more context.

For what happened, I don't think Cody was going to get his turn. Either that, or he didn't believe he was.


Part of me thinks a lot of his fame comes at the expense of him leaving. That'd be the only missing element so it would have be replaced with something similar. He would have to come out and basically CM Punk pipe bomb the company. Talk about his start and stop pushes, the Stardust gimmick, talk about Vince trying to sabotage his father and brother and how it backfired and they made it work blah blah blah.

But I do think that Cody realized he's in his prime, everyone comes back anyway to the WWE if all else fails. It'll be interesting if we ever see a Rhodes under the WWE banner again. So yeah right now in the company he's in, he's killing it and I think that the WWE may have missed the boat on a solid talent like Cody.

[Nash Diesel]

Apparently Shanna, Sadie Gibbs, Mel, Rose, Shida, Swole, Britt, Priestley, Sakura and Statlander are all signed to contracts.

So 10 women, not bad at all. They just need to showcase them more. I've watched all but 1 episode of Dynamite and I can tell you most of those women are not featured enough to make me think they were going to be ahead of Nyla Rose.

[BGMaverick]

Part of me thinks a lot of his fame comes at the expense of him leaving. That'd be the only missing element so it would have be replaced with something similar. He would have to come out and basically CM Punk pipe bomb the company. Talk about his start and stop pushes, the Stardust gimmick, talk about Vince trying to sabotage his father and brother and how it backfired and they made it work blah blah blah.

But I do think that Cody realized he's in his prime, everyone comes back anyway to the WWE if all else fails. It'll be interesting if we ever see a Rhodes under the WWE banner again. So yeah right now in the company he's in, he's killing it and I think that the WWE may have missed the boat on a solid talent like Cody.

He had skins on the wall prior to leaving, had compelling characters (that were radically different from each other), had a pretty standout or hallmark-like tag match with his brother. A lot of the boxes were being checked but they didn't go all the way with him. There was a barrier, which seemed like it came from Vince and Triple H just seeing him as Dusty's son and not as Cody. He was angry and humbled after that, and went down the road of just using it as a freeing and motivating experience. You can say he latched on to the Bullet Club prestige over time but he's definitely a guy with a mind for the business that I think he would have found a way to be successful in some form or fashion without attaching himself to that.

As to what he would have had to do or say when he came back, I guess he could do that. It's a easy hook. I think McIntyre now is showing that you don't necessary need to use angst to tell a redemption story. That's not to say you presumed idea is bad. I just think there's enough there to where they could go a lot of different ways.

If you had Cody as is and booked as is in WWE, you'd have a hell of a versatile star.

[Donald]

You'll see Cody back in the WWE again. probably not as an active wrestler, but something like Kurt Angle when he came back a couple of years ago. I think in 10-15 years AEW will cease to exist.

[Nash Diesel]

He had skins on the wall prior to leaving, had compelling characters (that were radically different from each other), had a pretty standout or hallmark-like tag match with his brother. A lot of the boxes were being checked but they didn't go all the way with him. There was a barrier, which seemed like it came from Vince and Triple H just seeing him as Dusty's son and not as Cody. He was angry and humbled after that, and went down the road of just using it as a freeing and motivating experience. You can say he latched on to the Bullet Club prestige over time but he's definitely a guy with a mind for the business that I think he would have found a way to be successful in some form or fashion without attaching himself to that.

As to what he would have had to do or say when he came back, I guess he could do that. It's a easy hook. I think McIntyre now is showing that you don't necessary need to use angst to tell a redemption story. That's not to say you presumed idea is bad. I just think there's enough there to where they could go a lot of different ways.

If you had Cody as is and booked as is in WWE, you'd have a hell of a versatile star.

No not "come back" but "come out" meaning, since he was Stardust prior to leaving....He'd have to come out on stage, maybe do what Dustin did to the Goldust robe by burning it in the trash on stage or whatever.....Then just drop a pipe bomb about being held back, given weird gimmicks and looks like his dad and brother before him. Shit they wouldn't even have to really go that route BUT in terms of the character he has NOW, they would have to show some angst, frustration, etc because like I said I think what really has helped him is this quest to show he could have been a major player for the WWE had they given him the chance.

But he had a lot going against him. A lot of people in front of him and maybe they figured since he was so young he had plenty of time to elevate.

[BGMaverick]

No not "come back" but "come out" meaning, since he was Stardust prior to leaving....He'd have to come out on stage, maybe do what Dustin did to the Goldust robe by burning it in the trash on stage or whatever.....Then just drop a pipe bomb about being held back, given weird gimmicks and looks like his dad and brother before him. Shit they wouldn't even have to really go that route BUT in terms of the character he has NOW, they would have to show some angst, frustration, etc because like I said I think what really has helped him is this quest to show he could have been a major player for the WWE had they given him the chance.

But he had a lot going against him. A lot of people in front of him and maybe they figured since he was so young he had plenty of time to elevate.

Gotcha. I misunderstood.

[Nash Diesel]

Raven as the Exhaulted One would work tremendously even if it had the whole "Raven's Nest" vibe. He's not going to wrestle, and he cuts promos better than anyone in wrestling.

[Donald]

Since they love the 90s, what with DDP, Arn Anderson, Goldust, Schiavone, and Jericho running around, Raven would fit right in. I'm hoping it's someone we've never seen before though, to be honest.

I jest of course about the 90s. Not sure who it's going to be, but I think the tease of Matt Hardy is going to be a swerve and he's going to stay with WWE>

[BGMaverick]

Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
Week four: 963,000 viewers
Week five: 759,000 viewers
Week six: 822,000 viewers
Week seven: 957,000 viewers
Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers
Week 19: 817,000 viewers
Week 20: 893,000 viewers

[Grayson Kills]

I see Shawn Spears had another big week.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm watching the program, listening to her promo, and making an observation.

I'll make an observation about that segment.

How about when Big Smo called Nia Rose "brother"? I don't see enough of Big Smo to know if that's her thing (what up with the pumping herself up bullshit?) but I heard that and I was like, oh shit there goes someone's push.

[Sasori]

Next day thoughts on Dynamite:

The no sell on Raven being in the crowd was probably a good gag to run. I doubt it actually leads into anything substantial going forward, but it was good.

I liked the comfort Rose showed with the promo. It felt a little forced in the sense of trying to get hive over but I thought it was an effective promo.

Will be interesting to see how they continue to chart the course for Omega and Hangman. Seemed destined that Hangman was going to be the man to turn but there's too much found money with him now and Omega clearly has the ability to play a heel in him so there's a variety of ways they can go...which is ideal.

I've been wondering if the Bucks should be the ones to turn heel. Then I was reminded how over they are in the Battle Royal, so that's not going to happen. An Omega heel turn would be interesting. He could be pretty cocky in New Japan, so if he played that up it could work. They don't have too many top heels, Just Jericho, MJF, and Pac, so another one wouldn't hurt.


I feel the same way about Hangman Page as I do Adam Cole. They're almost twins. The way they look, the way they work, promos, event their names have the same amount of letters. And I've always disliked Page going back to his early ROH days coming out wearing a John Deere hat. He's just not for me.

Orange Cassidy on the other hand......Magical.

I'm all about some AEW action figures. They looked pretty sweet when I had a closer look at them on Ringside's IG page.

Honest question about Cody......If you took how he books himself in AEW, could that have worked at the top tier level in WWE for him? I think so. I think right now we're seeing what we saw with Christian in TNA. Given the chance, they can deliver at the top. Cody unfortunately just didn't have the time to wait around for his turn and had to get out and it paid off.

I think this version of Cody could have worked in WWE, but not as effectively. I don't know if he'd even have gotten to this point if he'd never left. The reason he works so well is the bigger story that's being told. Cody felt underappreciated in WWE and left to find himself. He found allies along the way and is now trying to create a true competitor to WWE. This is the ultimate underdog story and fans want him to succeed. On top of that, he's carrying on his family's legacy which adds to his overall mystique. We just wouldn't see this depth of character in the confines of WWE's overly scripted and micro-managed environment.


I used to feel the same way about Page. In ROH... in New Japan. Did absolutely nothing for me, even though you could tell he had solid fundamentals. But that's all changed with the way he's gotten over on Dynamite recently. He's got personality now and comes across like a star.

It wasn't until the last two episodes of Dynamite that I started to see what others saw in Page and he's slowly growing on me. Hangman Page was pretty meh, but Cowboy Page has potential. Maybe he just needed a new nickname to put the final piece together, lol.

[Nash Diesel]

I definitely wouldn't go as far as saying that Page comes across like a star. Ok maybe in AEW where they have a handful of "stars" so he stands out, but changing your nickname to one of the oldest, lamest nicknames in wrestling (COWBOY????) and sharing beers with the crowd for a cheap cheap pop doesn't scream STAR.

But that's just me. I think the guy gets praised based on affiliation more than anything. He must be good if he's part of "The Elite/Bullet Club" right? Even my best friend who is a big wrestling fan but doesn't know a lot about the entire AEW roster seems to be a fan as well. But he also never saw him prior to AEW in Ring of Honor or New Japan.

[BGMaverick]

I don't know if it really matters but everything I read or heard in relation to the rest of The Elite and Page was that the other members were saying he was singled out and was the prospect of the group. They thought he was young and promising so I don't think he's supposed to be seen as a finished product in terms of where the ceiling is for his notoriety but that they see something in him that's going to click.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't know if it really matters but everything I read or heard in relation to the rest of The Elite and Page was that the other members were saying he was singled out and was the prospect of the group. They thought he was young and promising so I don't think he's supposed to be seen as a finished product in terms of where the ceiling is for his notoriety but that they see something in him that's going to click.

It probably doesn't help for someone like me who wasn't sold one bit on him prior to AEW that he found himself in the main event for the inaugural World title match against Chris Jericho of all people. That was a little too "Jinder-ish" booking for me. At least he didn't win, but putting him in that position when he clearly wasn't ready to stand on his own at that level did him no favors at all.

And again like I said, the affiliation with those guys I think puts him in a different light than if he was on his own. He's been in the game for 12 years so idk how much longer someone can be a "prospect" but given the circumstances of AEW being new and finally giving this kid some room to be something other than a background character could work wonders.

[BGMaverick]

It probably doesn't help for someone like me who wasn't sold one bit on him prior to AEW that he found himself in the main event for the inaugural World title match against Chris Jericho of all people. That was a little too "Jinder-ish" booking for me. At least he didn't win, but putting him in that position when he clearly wasn't ready to stand on his own at that level did him no favors at all.

And again like I said, the affiliation with those guys I think puts him in a different light than if he was on his own. He's been in the game for 12 years so idk how much longer someone can be a "prospect" but given the circumstances of AEW being new and finally giving this kid some room to be something other than a background character could work wonders.

I can't speak to any of the ROH stuff but I saw some incremental improvements with him in NJPW. Working the G-1 is either going to help you improve in different facets or you're going to be a bust. I wouldn't say he had a breakout like Archer did but he made some headway.

I don't hate the idea they presented with him being the first challenger and I never really expected him to win. They played off the fact he was in the spotlight and lost and kind of started to spiral out because of it. It's just transitioned into a way that is endearing to the audience now.

[Tim]

I liked the main event, would of preferred it to be climb out or pinfall but whatever it was a fun match and that moonsault was crazy, Cody didnt even look back before jumping.

Oh and that superkick! Im not sure how Guevaro is still walking.

I want more of Luchasaurus.

[VHS]

He had skins on the wall prior to leaving, had compelling characters (that were radically different from each other), had a pretty standout or hallmark-like tag match with his brother. A lot of the boxes were being checked but they didn't go all the way with him. There was a barrier, which seemed like it came from Vince and Triple H just seeing him as Dusty's son and not as Cody. He was angry and humbled after that, and went down the road of just using it as a freeing and motivating experience. You can say he latched on to the Bullet Club prestige over time but he's definitely a guy with a mind for the business that I think he would have found a way to be successful in some form or fashion without attaching himself to that.

As to what he would have had to do or say when he came back, I guess he could do that. It's a easy hook. I think McIntyre now is showing that you don't necessary need to use angst to tell a redemption story. That's not to say you presumed idea is bad. I just think there's enough there to where they could go a lot of different ways.

If you had Cody as is and booked as is in WWE, you'd have a hell of a versatile star.

I'd leave his useless wife at home though. :yes:

[Nash Diesel]

Brandi Rhodes is arguably the most beautiful woman in all of pro wrestling today. ARGUABLY as Io Shirai is in the argument for me. If she's useless then so were Miss Elizabeth, Sunny, Sable, etc.

[Murphy]

"I want a piece of your ass."

In another time, another place, that line would have meant something completely different for that guy.

Is this a US/UK thing? As in, whenever I hear that line, it sounds super gay to me. Genuinely sounds like the guy saying it wants sex.

Always remember cringing when they'd replay it over and over when Steve Austin 'wanted a piece of Mike Tyson's ass'.

[Caito]

It’s kind of an either/or thing in the US. Means both, just depends on context.

[Nash Diesel]

When you say "I want a piece of YOUR ass" That's usually implying wanting to beat someone down.

When you say "I want a piece of THAT ass" That's implying you want to fuck. Subtle but realistically could change your life.

[Donald]

Does AEW do house shows? Or is it just the one day a week tapings?

[Morrison]

no house shows. only tv tapings and ppv's, though they did do two special events last summer, fyter fest and fight for the fallen.

[Donald]

Sounds like a pretty good deal, better than WWE at least, though I read a report that WWE is cutting back on house shows.

[BGMaverick]

Sounds like a pretty good deal, better than WWE at least, though I read a report that WWE is cutting back on house shows.

If you don't like being out on the road, perhaps.

[Nash Diesel]

And I think everyone but maybe Cody works for other promotions as it is so technically their house shows are like "British Pro Xtreme" or "House of 1,000 Suplexes"

[Donald]

Surprised there's not much backlash over Jericho vs. Moxley, two ex WWE guys. Do you think AEW should have a relatively uknown talent in Moxley's position? Could have done a world of wonders if they were booked in similar fashion.

I assume Moxley wins and MJF wins, leading to a Moxley vs. MJF program?

[BGMaverick]

Surprised there's not much backlash over Jericho vs. Moxley, two ex WWE guys. Do you think AEW should have a relatively uknown talent in Moxley's position? Could have done a world of wonders if they were booked in similar fashion.

I assume Moxley wins and MJF wins, leading to a Moxley vs. MJF program?

Why would there be backlash? This isn't the first instance of two former WWE guys involved in the title picture since AEW came into the picture. Two WWE guys didn't go at it in the inaugural championship match, and Jericho has defended the title more than once against non former-WWE acts already.

[Donald]

Thought it was only Cody. Just figured if they want to be an alternate to WWE maybe not having WWE guys in the main event might help

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Surprised there's not much backlash over Jericho vs. Moxley, two ex WWE guys. Do you think AEW should have a relatively uknown talent in Moxley's position? Could have done a world of wonders if they were booked in similar fashion.

I assume Moxley wins and MJF wins, leading to a Moxley vs. MJF program?

Its funny, of all the things AEW doesn't do right, the one thing they've done right is the Moxley/Jericho feud. They've done it better than WWE.

Its a rehash, but its not a lazy rehash. Its a rehash that's actually better than the original.

And funny enough, MJF doing the "kiss my ring" thing with the AEW Diamond Ring is the exact gimmick Cody Rhodes had in Ring Of Honor for a while.

There's nothing new in pro-wrestling. But there's always ways to improve and iterate on what's been done before.

[Morrison]

Thought it was only Cody. Just figured if they want to be an alternate to WWE maybe not having WWE guys in the main event might help

that's not what 'being an alternative' is about.

[Horatio]

To be real, Jericho and Moxley are totally new characters in AEW. Unneutered, revamped, unparalleled. Reborn.

[Beer-Belly]

that's not what 'being an alternative' is about.

I have a feeling he's being obtuse.

[Donald]

Weird I'm usually acute

[Sasori]

Surprised there's not much backlash over Jericho vs. Moxley, two ex WWE guys. Do you think AEW should have a relatively uknown talent in Moxley's position? Could have done a world of wonders if they were booked in similar fashion.

I assume Moxley wins and MJF wins, leading to a Moxley vs. MJF program?

Pushing the most recognizable talent is the right thing to do. It gets eyes on the product so fans can discover the newer guys as they're getting built up. Moxley works in that spot because everyone knows who he is and it feels like a big deal when he's on TV. You wouldn't get that with a complete unknown.

I'm expecting Jericho to retain. He and the Inner Circle have put Moxley through the ringer over the past month. John's got one good eye and his ribs are all busted up, so he'll be protected when he loses. We could see a couple more matches between the two of them culminating in Moxley eventually getting the win.

[Donald]

Guess I'm not involved enough in the product to recognize major differences.

[Nash Diesel]

I have to say I'm actually surprised yet thankful that AEW hasn't relied solely on former WWE talent. But people also have to realize, there are a lot of former WWE wrestlers out there in some form. Hard to escape that fact when WWE have really been the only big promotion in damn near 20 years. It's like slighting the XFL for signing former NFL talent.

There are some fans who are playing a waiting game, to see if AEW starts to get super stale or suck balls but you're going to have to wait for a bit before you can really assess the promotion. Right now I'm digging it. But I'm also a huge WRESTLING fan. I can watch pretty much any promotion no matter how shitty they are.

[Donald]

It's a good time to be a wrestling fan, with so much talent all over the place.

[Ringo]

Surprised there's not much backlash over Jericho vs. Moxley, two ex WWE guys. Do you think AEW should have a relatively uknown talent in Moxley's position? Could have done a world of wonders if they were booked in similar fashion.

I assume Moxley wins and MJF wins, leading to a Moxley vs. MJF program?

This is a dumb post on a number of levels. Both Jericho and Moxley have been made to look like bigger stars than they had been in WWE and their programme in AEW has been booked really well. It was absolutely the right move to sign both and it's the right move to have them at the top of the card. There have been other AEW main events and there will be more. Kenny Omega, Adam Page and the Young Bucks have all headlined and none of them made their names in WWE. The likes of Darby Allin, Sammy Guevara and Jungle Boy have been earmarked as the future and they'll almost certainly be headlining shows in the future. Most wrestlers of any value have been with WWE at one point or another and actually looking at the roster I'd say that AEW has less former WWE talent than one might expect.

[Donald]

Well then I'm just one dumb idiot then aren't I.

[Nash Diesel]

I don't see anything DUMB in the post. The reality is there are a lot of people on social media out there and I'm sure plenty are saying "Oh a WWE rehash blah blah blah" but it's all good. The feud has a different approach but it's good and I thought their feud in the WWE was good. See, we have yet to see these 2 wrestle again. I didn't think their matches in WWE were anything special, but the non-wrestling stuff was awesome.

It's like back in the day with WCW. Some fans were shitting on them when they'd do Hogan v. Savage, even though in this realm Hogan was the bad guy so it was a different take on what WWF had done 6-7 years prior. Or even Flair v. Savage. But if a rivalry is good, no 1 promotion owns that rivalry imo.

[Donald]

It was a dumb and obtuse post, Nash Diesel.

Should be a good episode tonight with it being the go home show. Remember when go home shows got you amped up for a PPV? Like, really amped up? I miss those days. Let's hope AEW can do that shit again.

[BGMaverick]

I'm looking to see if they start to plant subtle seeds that Omega and/or The Bucks are the ones to turn, if someone is turning, in the story with Page. I think you've seen enough with Page to suggest having him be the main protagonist is a worthwhile venture. Could be the rare scenario where eventually Omega and Page lose the titles and Page is figuratively says he really needs to break away in order to find himself and everyone remains a face but that seems unlikely.

I also want to see if MJF is presented as more upset or angry that the fact the the match with Cody is actually now going to happen. I mean, he put all the obstacles in front of Cody and Cody has the wind behind him and is charging towards MJF. I think creatively adding some heat behind MJF is the way to go tonight in regards to this weekend.

Should be telling in some ways tonight with Moxley and Jericho if they're ready to pull the trigger. I don't really see anyone outside of Moxley who fits as a challenger for Jericho and you run the risk of taking the steam off Moxley if he loses after he's gone through so much in the last few weeks.

Matt Hardy did a hell of a job laying it in, in regards to teasing his next move as he referred to Randy Orton as Dear Dr. RKO...which is an anagram for Dark Order

[Nash Diesel]

I'm looking to see if they start to plant subtle seeds that Omega and/or The Bucks are the ones to turn, if someone is turning, in the story with Page. I think you've seen enough with Page to suggest having him be the main protagonist is a worthwhile venture. Could be the rare scenario where eventually Omega and Page lose the titles and Page is figuratively says he really needs to break away in order to find himself and everyone remains a face but that seems unlikely.

I also want to see if MJF is presented as more upset or angry that the fact the the match with Cody is actually now going to happen. I mean, he put all the obstacles in front of Cody and Cody has the wind behind him and is charging towards MJF. I think creatively adding some heat behind MJF is the way to go tonight in regards to this weekend.

Should be telling in some ways tonight with Moxley and Jericho if they're ready to pull the trigger. I don't really see anyone outside of Moxley who fits as a challenger for Jericho and you run the risk of taking the steam off Moxley if he loses after he's gone through so much in the last few weeks.

Matt Hardy did a hell of a job laying it in, in regards to teasing his next move as he referred to Randy Orton as Dear Dr. RKO...which is an anagram for Dark Order

Very clever.

[Nash Diesel]

I think that while Jericho is a beast right now, Moxley is on the same level. These are easily AEW 2 top stars both in terms of the public perception and the booking. I say give the title to Moxley. Other than Mox the only other babyface that should be getting the title would be Cody but he kind of booked himself into a corner early on with the whole "I'll never challenge for the title again" bullshit. Which I'm going to assume was done due to the fans coming at AEW pretty strong for some stupid reason about Cody being in that title match. "Oh Cody is going to put the belt on himself!" Next thing you know you have the stip. Nonsense.

So yeah, let's get the strap on Moxley. He's going to be someone you can have compete against heels and babyfaces, just like when he was champ in WWE. One nice thing about a guy like Cena or Austin was that you could have a ppv or a tv show with the babyface champ v. another babyface and it made sense. In AEW it's even easier if they stick to rankings.

[Donald]

You know Cody is going to become a champion at some point though, how exactly do they reverse his never challenge again stipulation? Perhaps become a heel and go against his word?

[BGMaverick]

Lance Archer to AEW confirmed by the company.

[Nash Diesel]

You know Cody is going to become a champion at some point though, how exactly do they reverse his never challenge again stipulation? Perhaps become a heel and go against his word?

They always find a way out of that stipulation. He'll turn heel and be all "I'm an executive of this company I will do what I want" and boom here comes Russo Khan to get his tv role lol.




Lance Archer to AEW confirmed by the company.

If he can deliver like he did at the G1 I'm all for it. If he's going to be the same mediocre wrestler he's been since the days of Dallas Hoyt.....meh.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Lance Archer to AEW confirmed by the company.

I wish they'd rescue Davey Boy Smith Jr. from MLW and have he and Archer reform the Killer Elite Squad in AEW.

[Nash Diesel]

Do we have any fans of the Butcher, Blade and Bunny? I want to like them. I like the Butcher, I like Allie aka Bunny, but I have never been and probably never will be sold on The Blade aka Pepper Parks. For one, I hate the name PEPPER PARKS. What grown ass man thought that was a cool name? But then he doesn't even wrestle in the mask so he kind of looks like Stu from Dark Order. I guess we'll see if they're still a thing in a year and how they work.

[BGMaverick]

I'm a fan of Bunny.

That's about it.

[Horatio]

I think TE was right about LA.
I saw him have a good match with Josh Briggs.

[Tainted Eclipse]

archer would be a great post-revolution feud for moxley. i was wondering what would be the next step for him if he loses to jericho, which i think he should.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Do we have any fans of the Butcher, Blade and Bunny? I want to like them. I like the Butcher, I like Allie aka Bunny, but I have never been and probably never will be sold on The Blade aka Pepper Parks. For one, I hate the name PEPPER PARKS. What grown ass man thought that was a cool name? But then he doesn't even wrestle in the mask so he kind of looks like Stu from Dark Order. I guess we'll see if they're still a thing in a year and how they work.

I'm with you. I mostly dig The Butcher, who has impressed me one way or another in each outing he's had. The Blade is ok on his own, but never saw much special in him. I am fine with Allie as a personality. I also think they have arguably the best theme song in AEW.

Overall, I think they're a solid team with one person who has the potential to break out on his own down the line. I actually would like to see them in the tag team mix a bit more.

[Nash Diesel]

archer would be a great post-revolution feud for moxley. i was wondering what would be the next step for him if he loses to jericho, which i think he should.

I don't know if he can carry his own weight in a real feud with Mox.



I'm with you. I mostly dig The Butcher, who has impressed me one way or another in each outing he's had. The Blade is ok on his own, but never saw much special in him. I am fine with Allie as a personality. I also think they have arguably the best theme song in AEW.

Overall, I think they're a solid team with one person who has the potential to break out on his own down the line. I actually would like to see them in the tag team mix a bit more.

Oh yeah their tag-team W/L record is almost as bad as Jurassic Express, another team that has serious potential.

[BGMaverick]

It was a gimmick match but I thought Moxley and Archer had pretty good chemistry together when they squared off at WK. I guess it just depends on how they want to portray Archer in terms of what he has to do in terms of carrying things in a feud.

[Horatio]

I think at this point Archer is best portrayed as a winner. He's charismatic as hell...

[Ringo]

Well then I'm just one dumb idiot then aren't I.

No, I wasn't saying you are dumb or an idiot. I do think that post and some of your other posts in the AEW threads have been a bit ill thought out though. And you even said yourself that you haven't been following AEW religiously. I've had a lot of issues with AEW myself and after an initial excitement I lost interest quite quickly and began picking NXT over Dynamite most weeks. But lately they've been on a real hot streak I think. And from reading your posts in the WWE forum, I know that like you, I've always liked watching the bigger guys which is something AEW has lacked. Hopefully that's beginning to change and we'll start to see more and more big lads in AEW to go alongside the smaller guys.

[Tainted Eclipse]

there have been things on dynamite i've thought were misguided but i've never been negative on the promotion yet. even at its "worst" i don't think they've produced a show any less than good.

[Ringo]

Do we have any fans of the Butcher, Blade and Bunny? I want to like them. I like the Butcher, I like Allie aka Bunny, but I have never been and probably never will be sold on The Blade aka Pepper Parks. For one, I hate the name PEPPER PARKS. What grown ass man thought that was a cool name? But then he doesn't even wrestle in the mask so he kind of looks like Stu from Dark Order. I guess we'll see if they're still a thing in a year and how they work.

The Butcher looks amazing. A proper old school hard bastard wrestler look which is great and particularly refreshing in AEW that mostly consists of a load of pretty boys and smaller guys. He's also in the band Every Time I Die who my sister's boyfriend went all the way to Amsterdam to see play the other week so that was a good topic of conversation to bring up with him. And while personally she doesn't do much for me, the Bunny is an attractive girl who seems to get a response from the crowds and from what I've heard did a lot of good work in Impact. The Blade though... barely registered. His entrance mask is great and I think he should wear it for matches. It looks great but when he takes it off and wrestles he loses the one thing that makes him stand out.

[Ringo]

there have been things on dynamite i've thought were misguided but i've never been negative on the promotion yet. even at its "worst" i don't think they've produced a show any less than good.

The devotion to putting on good wrestling every week has kept the show fairly consistent but I think they've really found their groove storyline and booking wise lately. Cody, Page, MJF, Jericho, Mox, Darby, Jurassic Express... even Dustin and Hager. They've all been booked so well. Before AEW, I only really had much investment in Dustin because he's amazing and Jericho because he's Jericho. I care about all of the others now and that's all down to watching the weekly TV.

[Beer-Belly]

Completely cutting the audio because the crowd is chanting "holy shit" is fucking weak.

[Beer-Belly]

This is pretty bonkers.

[Psycho666Soldier]

The Butcher looks amazing. A proper old school hard bastard wrestler look which is great and particularly refreshing in AEW that mostly consists of a load of pretty boys and smaller guys. He's also in the band Every Time I Die who my sister's boyfriend went all the way to Amsterdam to see play the other week so that was a good topic of conversation to bring up with him. And while personally she doesn't do much for me, the Bunny is an attractive girl who seems to get a response from the crowds and from what I've heard did a lot of good work in Impact. The Blade though... barely registered. His entrance mask is great and I think he should wear it for matches. It looks great but when he takes it off and wrestles he loses the one thing that makes him stand out.

Oh shit, I didn't know The Butcher was on Every Time I Die. Damn, it's been years since I've listened to that band.

[Tainted Eclipse]

i also like the old school fat guy wrestler look of the butcher but he seems pretty not good in the ring.

[Beer-Belly]

Well, I definitely enjoyed that.

[Tainted Eclipse]

really good match. i think i'd prefer if they kept it within the 30 minutes, but it was all very well done.

[JuveLeo]

That was an excellent match... so is the feud over now?

[JuveLeo]

Big Swole in ring skills are pretty bad. I feel like this would have been a better match if it was just Shanna and Shida against each other.

[Horatio]

Where's spudz?

I'm watching this Countdown to Revolution.
I don't agree with Jericho saying his match with Moxley is the biggest of the year, but the build for Rhodes/Hager is hella convincing.
I also want to see Kris Statlander take the title right away. Just because I know how hard she's worked for it.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Where's spudz?

I've been sick as a dog's ass all week with a bad sinus infection and a cough that feels like I'm being punched in the chest every time I let one out.

Wound up watching "Everybody Loves Raymond" reruns and napping during Dynamite, tonight.

Hope it was a good show.

I can't imagine you guys missed me that much.

[BGMaverick]

The Iron Man match certainly delivered more than a typical Iron Man match. The curse of those matches is that you usually don't have to care about the majority of the match because they book for the final stretch. This match wasn't booked that way in full, thankfully. It had fluff but it had some pretty great signature spots too, just lacking pinfalls. The Bucks being ringside resembled how they were in NJPW, assisting Omega, even if it was kind of ambiguous. What was interesting was the finish. I was put off from the fact that they have draws but they decided to just keep a match going when it was clear they reached the time limit.

The JR sit-down interview segments have been gold in terms of exposition and this one was no different. I was looking to see if they were going to plant more seeds for a blowup and they absolutely did. The beauty of it is that you can see anything happen and it's going to be justified.

Jurassic Express is an easy act to get over in tag matches. Got smaller guys that work to the hot tag with Luchasaurus. The means for bringing him in seemed overdone but Allin's run-in just shines a light on the fact they've really done a nice job with him since they started pushing him. He's gotten over organically and he's going to be a big factor for them.

I guess they felt like they had nothing left in the chamber in regards to building MJF and Cody. Kind of disappointing but the match has plenty of heat behind it.

Butcher and Blade are pretty much glorified jobbers at this point. They had some connective tissue to MJF for a bit but they're just kind of there now. OC/PAC should be quite interesting.

Seems like a red flag that they spent more time hyping or investing in the promotion of PAC/OC compared to the women's championship match, both at Revolution. The Joshi performers are the best part of AEW's women's division and there's still a relatively wide gap between them and the rest of the actual division. Swole has promise but she still looks very, very green. Seems somewhat disjointed that she was prominently featured the week before with the champion and she ate the pin this week.

The weigh-in segment was a spin on the chaotic trope that comes with wrestling contract signings. Or you can just say it was what you see in actual sports with weigh-ins and the chaos went to 11. I will say, it looks like Jericho has slimmed down a bit over the last few weeks. Jericho saying "Aaron Mahome is a piece of shit" in Kansas City works on so many levels, lol. AEW has to have some kind of deal with Dippin' Dots now. That's the second time they've gone out of their way to do a spot with a Dippin' Dots stand lol. Good closing segment and did a good job setting the table for Saturday for a good chunk of the card.

[Matthew]

this show was very fun. pumped for the ppv

[BGMaverick]

Part of me is curious with the idea of moving JR off commentary and making him strictly sit-down interview guy to help enhance stories for Dynamite. Those segments are gold and its mainly due to him staging the segment. If you want to keep him on commentary, basically keep JR involved strictly for commentary on PPV matches. Creates more of a hook for buying a PPV because you get JR commentary.

[ckauffman28]

stoked... I got 4th row seats for Dynamite here in Houston on April 29th

[BGMaverick]

Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
Week four: 963,000 viewers
Week five: 759,000 viewers
Week six: 822,000 viewers
Week seven: 957,000 viewers
Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers
Week 19: 817,000 viewers
Week 20: 893,000 viewers
Week 21: 865,000 viewers

[Honey_Badger]

Those are pretty strong, consistent numbers considering week 6 is bringing in the same viewers as week 16, week 21, and so-on. It's promising, for sure. As they continue to add talent, and build talent, they should continue their 850,000-900,000 range, which is pretty impressive for a brand new wrestling show in 2020 when the "standard" is continuing to lose viewers.

Out of curiosity, what was TNA's ratings like when they first started, and how long did it take for them to start declining?

[Ringo]

Another really good show this week. AEW has been on a roll since the new year. There have been reports that Tony Khan has taken on a bigger role than before in terms of booking and it really feels like they listened to some of the negative feedback that was growing towards the end of the year and changed things up. By all accounts Tony Khan was big into tape trading in the 90s and was very into his Mid South, WCCW, NWA etc. Between him and Cody those influences are evident in the weekly product and it's really working - combined with the very modern, flashy wrestling matches they put on each week. This is one of the best built PPVs I can remember from any company in a long time and I hope it delivers and the company continues to push on. Lance Archer is another good signing, a guy probably having the best run of his career even if he's well past 40.

[Nash Diesel]

Those are pretty strong, consistent numbers considering week 6 is bringing in the same viewers as week 16, week 21, and so-on. It's promising, for sure. As they continue to add talent, and build talent, they should continue their 850,000-900,000 range, which is pretty impressive for a brand new wrestling show in 2020 when the "standard" is continuing to lose viewers.

Out of curiosity, what was TNA's ratings like when they first started, and how long did it take for them to start declining?

For a fair comparison since TNA started out on ppv then Fox Sports 1 which was basically seen by nobody but me lol. Spike TV they were averaging about double what AEW is now. And it's so funny and even Bischoff talked about this.....Back in those days, people were constantly talking about how TNA getting similar numbers as AEW was the end of TNA, how can a company last with those numbers blah blah blah.

Here today, we're fucking happy if a company gets 500,000 viewers. And I think that TNT promotes AEW much better. But I also think what AEW will benefit from, like with TNA, is that it's coming at a time on the national stage where the WWE isn't exactly winning people over. Only now it's 100x worse lol, so AEW is in the right spot as well as other promotions.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

You also need to remember that basic cable movies aren’t as big of an attention holder as UFC. TNA was never the lead in for The Ultimate Fighter, TNA was the appetizer for the show everybody really wanted to see.

[Nash Diesel]

You also need to remember that basic cable movies aren’t as big of an attention holder as UFC. TNA was never the lead in for The Ultimate Fighter, TNA was the appetizer for the show everybody really wanted to see.

TNA and Ultimate Fighter did roughly the same ratings though. I think it went hand in hand but Spike were more about promoting real sports than pro wrestling. They had been doing that routine since ECW when Spike was TNN. They didn't give a shit about ECW, they gave a shit about Roller Jam, which ended up being even more scripted than wrestling. Then you had Raw, which they used to help bring eyes to the Ultimate Fighter.

Now they basically fucked off wrestling to promote more MMA. I just don't think they ever appreciated pro wrestling despite it being one of the only shows people tuned in to see.

[chatty]

Thought it was only Cody. Just figured if they want to be an alternate to WWE maybe not having WWE guys in the main event might help

Or maybes just book their talent as in whose most overz can have the best matches, get the fans involved regardless of where they have been before. They are all. AEW guys now.

[Chris Scott]

Watched it last night. Loved this show, was brilliant start to finish. Think it was my 4th one watching it, defo a new fan here now.

[Badger]

The curse of trying to pre-record on a series link. Missing half the show on my recording cos of a bloody snooker match that ran late. At least PAC/Omega was spared.

Min the Revolution though!

[Chris Scott]

My series linked still recorded mine fine. I watched it when it was on anyway.

[Badger]

My series linked still recorded mine fine. I watched it when it was on anyway.

Watching it currently and I’ve only got an hour or so left on it. Should’ve set this to extend.

ITV coverage is still shite though the best I can do.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I caught AEW Dark from two weeks ago last night. If you're not watching this show weekly, you should be. Its like a wild combination of underneath guys being booked like their names are being picked out of a hat and some actual, hot programs being perpetuated off TV.

Just wanted to say, I'm so glad that that Nightmare Collective thing looks like its completely over. I know Brandi hasn't been a heel on TV for a while, but its 100% stone cold dead. They've actually started positioning the bald lady and Uncle Fester as wannabe allies of Jimmy Havoc. And as much as I don't like Jimmy Havoc, the freak show trio those three idiots have is fine for an underneath act. Can Dr. Luthor still work?

Oh, and that same Dark episode had what might have been the best Joey Janella match I've ever seen. It was a Falls Count Anywhere garbage fight/brawl through the crowd against Kip Sabian. Who had Penelope Ford out with him interfering liberally. Sad to say, but the only really rough part was the finish. Janella spears Sabian who has Ford on his back off the apron and all three of them go through a table. Except the table doesn't break and they just go ass over tea kettle and splat on the ground like eggs. Pretty sure they improvised a new finish on the fly, too; Janella just grabbed a kendo stick and thwacked Sabian in the head with it and pinned him. I'm surprised Ford wasn't totally fucked up. Given that she was crushed under the weight of two full-sized men, both of whom were crashing through an invincible table. It was pretty ugly shit, but a fun match otherwise.

[punkypower]

Hi guys!!

Wanting to give this a try!! I've tried everything I can think of, but I can't find Season 1 episodes anywhere. Anyone know where to go or am SooL and resign myself to starting with S2? Thanks SO MUCH in advance?

[Psycho666Soldier]

Hi guys!!

Wanting to give this a try!! I've tried everything I can think of, but I can't find Season 1 episodes anywhere. Anyone know where to go or am SooL and resign myself to starting with S2? Thanks SO MUCH in advance?

There aren't really seasons. Your best bet is probably to just watch the Revolution PPV and pick it up where it's at now. Mayyyyybe go back and watch shows from the beginning of the year, but that's a lot.

[punkypower]

Thanks SO MUCH for taking the time to respond, Psycho!!
.
I can't believe I actually found it!! After looking for hours, it turned out to be in the first place I looked. When you go to AEW's site (not TNT), it tells you how to watch, where it directs you to TNT. However, it says to go to the Bleacher Report for the PPVs. After hours of looking everywhere, finally went there and they have everything. So far, been able to access the first episode just by creating an account (I was nervous when it only gave me a 5-minute preview). They have a $10/month premium account. Not sure what's offered with that, but AEW PPVs are one of the two things it directly says it doesn't (PPVs are $50 a pop). Thank again, Psycho!! SO EXCITED for this!!

TL;DR for anyone like me who's late to the game and/or just wants to go back and re-watch: Check out the Bleacher Report and create a free account.

[Beer-Belly]

You can watch old episodes of Dynamite if you have TNT on cable and get the TNT app for a streaming device.

[punkypower]

Hi Beer-Belly!!

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond!!

I have TNT through DirecTV, but I was only able to access (through the TNT website and On Demand) what AEW calls "Season 2" (Jan 1 on). Heads up if anyone's still catching up. The Jamn 1 episode expires today!

[BGMaverick]

Been waiting to see this pairing and they're finally doing it:
Moxley and Allin in a tag match Wednesday, against Jericho and Guevara.

[Chris Scott]

Interesting, look forward to that tag match.

[Donald]

Thanks for taking the time to respond to BGMaverick, Chris Scott!!

[Murphy]

Ooh, that tag match sounds FUN!

[Donald]

Young Bucks in a new Matt Hardy video...that's quite exciting!

Or is it a swerve?

I think embracing the Broken character is the biggest mistake Vince McMahon has made in the past few years. I think it would have gotten a lot more fans interested in wrestling again. Not saying make Matt Hardy the champion or anything, but he could have had a huge impact.

If he ends up in AEW, I think it's only going to be great things.

[Nash Diesel]

Young Bucks in a new Matt Hardy video...that's quite exciting!

Or is it a swerve?

I think embracing the Broken character is the biggest mistake Vince McMahon has made in the past few years. I think it would have gotten a lot more fans interested in wrestling again. Not saying make Matt Hardy the champion or anything, but he could have had a huge impact.

If he ends up in AEW, I think it's only going to be great things.

I mean we all can accept that the only reason the Hardyz were brought back is because the WWE saw the massive waves they (mostly Matt) were making elsewhere. I'll be honest....Had the whole "Broken" gimmick been something the WWE could have used right off the bat I think it would have been exactly what they would be doing coming in, at least Matt. Jeff didn't really need to be part of that and I think there are a lot of fans who like him as is whereas Matt as just Matt Hardy is kind of mediocre.

So I guess we'll see. I can promise you that if Matt is staying with the WWE then either he doesn't give a fuck or he's going to get shit for having the Bucks in a video he's doing. Slice it how you want, that's competition.

[Donald]

Looks like a big debut tonight...

[Nash Diesel]

Looks like a big debut tonight...

Yep Luke Harper.

There is a cynical part of me that hopes Matt doesn't show up even though I know creatively it'd be a good thing. I just do not like the idea of him being with the Dark Order. I want the weird Broken universe, and nothing about the Dark Order speaks to me on that same level. There's a romantic campiness Broken Matt Hardy pulls off that can't be duplicated. Even Brother Nero sucked.

The only negative to Matt actually going to AEW beyond what I just said is if his dipshit wife is with him. Matt Hardy could have had anyone and he just had to get Reby Sky preg.........

[Donald]

I wonder if they'll reveal the Exalted One in this match.

[Tainted Eclipse]

The meltzer quote was the main event of the quotes

[Tainted Eclipse]

Lots of AEW wrestlers have rap themes but swoles is the only one actually in contemporary rap style

[Tainted Eclipse]

Neck tat Cody looks like he’s about to steal the turnbuckle pads to get money for oxy

[JuveLeo]

Jake still better on the mic then 80% of the guys in the business today.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

The Hell was Jake "The Snake" on about there?

I thought he ditched the crack?

[Psycho666Soldier]

Damn it, I missed the Awful Waffle.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

DEATH TRIANGLE!!!!

[JuveLeo]

Kind of a weird fit to be honest lol. Hard to see Pac in a faction... i can only see him as a lone wolf type of character. Intrigued to see how it pans out.

[Tainted Eclipse]

Hangman could be the star of the company