All Elite Wrestling

[BGMaverick]

I really think AEW's undoing is going to be it's over spending and its assumption that this will be a permanent thing. Things don't feel like they're progressing at all... they've just kind of sat in the same place as when they debuted. It's the same thing ever week, 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4.

NXT is taking us somwhere. I don't feel like AEW is going anywhere. If they keep this up, they're going to blow through their budget and the legs are going to fall out.


How is it not taking us anywhere? They're building storylines. They're intertwining and the characters are reacting. Matches have had consequences and ramifications. The first title change happened this week surrounding an intriguing storyline that could go a multitude of ways. And that's not even talking about what's going on with Cody/MJF or Mox/Jericho.

Not everything is a hit, and if it's not been your cup of tea, that's cool, but saying that it's not going anywhere story-wise isn't true.

I will say...if there was a week to suggest the main theory is possibly valid, it seems like it's this upcoming week's slate. I don't have a clue with Darby and Private Party are doing a trios match with Jericho, Santana, and Ortiz. Or why Cody and Sabian are having a match lol. Those do seem a bit random. As I mentioned after Wednesday's episode, they start and each episode with really good matches. The middle portion kind of be hit or miss depending on what you like.

[Nash Diesel]

WWE has been doing anything but dumb shit. Why do you think they're number 1? TNA barely blips on the map anymore. At least AEW is blipping.

TNA, well Impact, have been going for almost 20 years. And for the same amount of time, literally since day one people have been trying to predict when they'll die. Being #1 doesn't mean you haven't put out dumb shit. I would say that they just have the luxury of lasting and being a staple of pop culture. The brand alone has carried them for almost 30 years.

They deserve to be #1 but again, just look at our boy Braun and tell me that having him win a tag-team title with a 10 year old ref's son wasn't arguably the dumbest fucking Mania booking decision in the history of Mania. I'd rather watch Michael Cole v. Jerry Lawler on repeat than that horseshit wtih my boy Braun and Nick.


I will say...if there was a week to suggest the main theory is possibly valid, it seems like it's this upcoming week's slate. I don't have a clue with Darby and Private Party are doing a trios match with Jericho, Santana, and Ortiz. Or why Cody and Sabian are having a match lol. Those do seem a bit random. As I mentioned after Wednesday's episode, they start and each episode with really good matches. The middle portion kind of be hit or miss depending on what you like.

You could say that about every wrestling company. Like on Raw, why was Matt Hardy wrestling Rowan? The problem is that you can't oversaturate a feud and without jobbers sometimes you just have matches that are "cold"

At least with AEW they do rankings, so you can just use that as a default. Ok, why are Cody and Sabian wrestling? Because wins matter and if you don't wrestle, you don't win, you don't matter. But that's just me.

[BGMaverick]

You could say that about every wrestling company. Like on Raw, why was Matt Hardy wrestling Rowan? The problem is that you can't oversaturate a feud and without jobbers sometimes you just have matches that are "cold"

At least with AEW they do rankings, so you can just use that as a default. Ok, why are Cody and Sabian wrestling? Because wins matter and if you don't wrestle, you don't win, you don't matter. But that's just me.

Of course. I didn't really support the original theory (to be clear) but I was suggesting this was a week where it made sense because I don't really see a no-brainer main event out of those matches and they just feel there for the sake of advertising (which is good). As for the Raw example, that'd be random as hell to advertise so I'd be confused as hell as to why that would be marketed. But in reality, it was there to make a point where randomness is just there to fill time and get to where you're going (which was slowly advancing the mystery with the cage). On the surface, those two matches advertised for AEW feel more like filling time with the hint of the post-match stuff actually being the reason you're watching. Your secondary point about the rankings and etc makes total sense on the broader sense.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I also think sometimes those random match-ups are the beginning of some kind of feud to come. Private Party going deep with Santana and Ortiz to get some real heat on 'em, and a little callback to Darby/Jericho.

I do get what you're saying, but I think the original position is still blinded.

[BGMaverick]

I'll be very surprised if Private Party and Santana/Ortiz are starting something significant. The former doesn't seem remotely near ready for anything of sustained substance. I guess you have to start somewhere.

[Ringo]

Some people seem to think that we're building to an Elite vs. Inner Circle War Games style match with Page finally turning there. That'd be rather good imo. Dusty invented that match in the first place and knowing Cody and his focus on continuing his father's legacy it'd almost be more surprising if he wasn't already thinking about doing that kind of match.

Having listened to Jericho's podcasts with Darby, Stunt and Luchasaurus, I do like that they're pushing this "new generation" right off the bat. The likes of Jungle Boy, Darby, Sammy Guevara, Private Party and Kip Sabian all clearly have a lot of potential but they still have a way to go and I still want to see additions to the roster in the coming year.

[Tim]

If Roman Reigns and Randy Orton had a baby together it would look like Wardlow.

[mth]

I remember Jericho saying "Walter" was the worst name in pro wrestling. Then they debuted a guy named "Wardlow".

[Nash Diesel]

I mean, they have to "push" the roster. It can't just be the main 5 jerking each other off (Jericho, Mox, Omega, Bucks).

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I remember Jericho saying "Walter" was the worst name in pro wrestling. Then they debuted a guy named "Wardlow".

Yeah he said that, and then saw him work and forgot all about how shitty the same was lol. Honestly, Walter only works for Walter. I can't see Jericho making "Walter Jericho" work lol.

[Sasori]

Really enjoyed the Rage at Sea part. 2. Felt more like Bash at the Beach than the previous week's show, lol. The story development with Page was handled nicely. I also liked how Pac lost because he thought Moxley wasn't at 100%. He was so focused on targeting the eye that he wasn't prepared for the dirty deeds out of desperation.


So did they really just pull the plug in the middle of Britt Baker's promo and cut to commercial? Jesus, it's a taped show. Poor gal.


She was fine for a minute. Then she stumbled and it was like her mouth and her brain fell down the stairs.

I thought Britt was supposed to be a Face, so the tone of the promo threw me off. Was this a Heel turn or has she always been so self absorbed? I don't think I've heard her talk before this.


I really think AEW's undoing is going to be it's over spending and its assumption that this will be a permanent thing. Things don't feel like they're progressing at all... they've just kind of sat in the same place as when they debuted. It's the same thing ever week, 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4... 2+2 is 4.

NXT is taking us somwhere. I don't feel like AEW is going anywhere. If they keep this up, they're going to blow through their budget and the legs are going to fall out.

AEW is making a profit. WCW didn't make a profit for 10 yrs. I don't see them blowing their budget anytime soon.

Even though NXT is the workrate show, from the comments I've read on various sites, fans think the show is too safe and predictable. They feel like anything can happen in AEW, which is why it's consistently won the Wed. Night War. There's also the aspect that the top stars in NXT are just going to be called up to the main roster so it's hard to get invested. And there are a few who hold it against WWE for putting NXT on USA to try and crush the competition, so they watch AEW out of principle.

[BGMaverick]

Britt has been slowly dissolving into a heel persona over the last few weeks. It's been subtle but it's been there.

[Nash Diesel]

AEW is making a profit. WCW didn't make a profit for 10 yrs. I don't see them blowing their budget anytime soon.

Even though NXT is the workrate show, from the comments I've read on various sites, fans think the show is too safe and predictable. They feel like anything can happen in AEW, which is why it's consistently won the Wed. Night War. There's also the aspect that the top stars in NXT are just going to be called up to the main roster so it's hard to get invested. And there are a few who hold it against WWE for putting NXT on USA to try and crush the competition, so they watch AEW out of principle.

Where have you seen that AEW is making a profit? I've yet to see any financial reports so where are you getting that info?

The reason AEW wins the WNW is because NXT is on the Network the next day so you get that option as well. Trust me, if AEW had the same benefit of having their show on the next day without having to pay a stupid amount for cable tv, people would wait as well.

NXT is just as if not more unpredictable. You have not only Raw, Smackdown and NXT UK talent that could suddenly appear, but bigger names on the indies and international scene that could pop up.

AEW might seem more unpredictable simply because it's a new promotion so you don't really have that familiarity that you have with NXT considering NXT has been around for like 7 years.


Britt has been slowly dissolving into a heel persona over the last few weeks. It's been subtle but it's been there.

Probably because she fucking sucks and nobody gives a shit about her so they have to switch it up so when fans are booing her boring ass it makes sense.

I honestly don't know what's more disturbing, her finisher or when Nyla Rose licks her hand before touching a girl.

[Sasori]

Where have you seen that AEW is making a profit? I've yet to see any financial reports so where are you getting that info?

The reason AEW wins the WNW is because NXT is on the Network the next day so you get that option as well. Trust me, if AEW had the same benefit of having their show on the next day without having to pay a stupid amount for cable tv, people would wait as well.

NXT is just as if not more unpredictable. You have not only Raw, Smackdown and NXT UK talent that could suddenly appear, but bigger names on the indies and international scene that could pop up.

AEW might seem more unpredictable simply because it's a new promotion so you don't really have that familiarity that you have with NXT considering NXT has been around for like 7 years.



Probably because she fucking sucks and nobody gives a shit about her so they have to switch it up so when fans are booing her boring ass it makes sense.

I honestly don't know what's more disturbing, her finisher or when Nyla Rose licks her hand before touching a girl.

Profitability:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2020/01/17/aews-175-million-extension-through-2023-offers-more-incentive-to-wwe-free-agents/#501161bd5a8d

AEW also doesn't do house shows which saves them a ton of money. Meanwhile, WWE is currently losing money on house shows.

As far as whether AEW is more unpredictable, I was just repeating what I've been reading, not necessarily what I believe. I don't watch NXT so it's a moot point for me. More people are watching AEW live and NXT later and I was making a case as to why.

[BGMaverick]

When I think of unpredictability and AEW it's primarily in the sense that it's a brand new entity and has to show what framework it's going to work under. Yeah, they do stuff that's surprising or different but the nuts and bolts of the shock is that it has to establish its purpose. They're trying things each week to figure out what they're doing and what clicks. I think they've done a better job since the first few weeks of avoiding punching up at WWE and saying they'll be different and they do things different. Just do it and live with the results. Don't compare yourself because you're probably not fully sure where you are as a company lol. They're successful but they're nowhere near a finished product yet.

[Nash Diesel]

Profitability:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2020/01/17/aews-175-million-extension-through-2023-offers-more-incentive-to-wwe-free-agents/#501161bd5a8d

AEW also doesn't do house shows which saves them a ton of money. Meanwhile, WWE is currently losing money on house shows.

As far as whether AEW is more unpredictable, I was just repeating what I've been reading, not necessarily what I believe. I don't watch NXT so it's a moot point for me. More people are watching AEW live and NXT later and I was making a case as to why.

Thanks for the link!

Yeah I mean if you're parakeeting something then I get it. You should watch NXT. Both shows have pro's and con's. But like I said, if AEW had a "network" like WWE, I will say that less people would watch AEW live and we'd see a real war. Who's show is worth watching later.....It's what happened to us in the 90's with Nitro and Raw. Which show are you taping, which show are you watching live?

[BGMaverick]

FWIW, if you have a cable subscription, you can go to TNT's website and watch full episodes of Dynamite. I'm not sure how fast the turnaround time is, but you can do that. Not all of the episodes are there, so episodes drop off the available list for viewing at a certain point.

[Caito]

I think it’s either 8 or 10 episodes they keep backlogged on Verizon’s OnDemand. I picked up the show immediately after the ppv, and that’s already off the menu.

[Rip]

I think I’ve worked out why people think AEW is unpredictable, I’ve watched it a fair few times now and it reminds me of the WWF I watched years ago, characters, stories the product in general, not necessarily a bad thing, so I guess to anyone born in the 90s it does seem unpredictable.

And can anyone explain the buzz around the prat with the Burberry scarf? He looks like he’s been squashed, is competent in the ring, bland on the mic and his look is so dated, am I missing the point here? Is he supposed to be a form of throwback?

[Nash Diesel]

I think I’ve worked out why people think AEW is unpredictable, I’ve watched it a fair few times now and it reminds me of the WWF I watched years ago, characters, stories the product in general, not necessarily a bad thing, so I guess to anyone born in the 90s it does seem unpredictable.

And can anyone explain the buzz around the prat with the Burberry scarf? He looks like he’s been squashed, is competent in the ring, bland on the mic and his look is so dated, am I missing the point here? Is he supposed to be a form of throwback?

"Bland on the mic" is probably the last thing anyone has ever said about MJF so it could very well be a "missing the point" situation. I get that with some characters as well, everyone is on their nuts and I'm over here like, "WHY?" New Day is a prime example of talent it took damn near 2 years for me to understand the love they would get.

But yeah MJF kind of reminds me of like those James Spader "Pretty in Pink" type douchebags. Preppy dip shits who can't really back up the bullshit they're talking. IDK, I guess imagine if the Mean Street Posse was actually good lol.

[Murphy]

My God they like near falls in AEW, don't they? It's often too much.

Still enjoying it, overall, but if the only way to get the PPVs in the UK is going to be on the FITE app, my interest may start to wane.

[Donald]

Imagine if the cruise ship had hit an iceberg? And like Moxley is trying to fight PAC but the ship is sinking? That would be exciting wouldn't it.

[Sinner]

My God they like near falls in AEW, don't they? It's often too much.

Still enjoying it, overall, but if the only way to get the PPVs in the UK is going to be on the FITE app, my interest may start to wane.

90% of every AEW match has at least 3 spots that would be GREAT finishes. But they kick out, and then end on a lamer spot.

[Rip]

"Bland on the mic" is probably the last thing anyone has ever said about MJF so it could very well be a "missing the point" situation. I get that with some characters as well, everyone is on their nuts and I'm over here like, "WHY?" New Day is a prime example of talent it took damn near 2 years for me to understand the love they would get.

But yeah MJF kind of reminds me of like those James Spader "Pretty in Pink" type douchebags. Preppy dip shits who can't really back up the bullshit they're talking. IDK, I guess imagine if the Mean Street Posse was actually good lol.

I get that with Rollins, always my least favourite Shield member and I just never ‘got’ the love, I can appreciate the skill but meh.

I really don’t know what it is with MJF but I just really don’t get it, I don’t dislike him particularly but I just don’t get it, although I’m now going to have The Mean Street Posse stuck in my head when I watch him (which might help :lol:)

[Nash Diesel]

I get that with Rollins, always my least favourite Shield member and I just never ‘got’ the love, I can appreciate the skill but meh.

I really don’t know what it is with MJF but I just really don’t get it, I don’t dislike him particularly but I just don’t get it, although I’m now going to have The Mean Street Posse stuck in my head when I watch him (which might help :lol:)

I might have ruined my love for the guy by having that comparison pop in my head lol.

I will say this about MJF....He's someone I think I would get sick of seeing wrestle and would rather see as a manager. Kind of like Enzo. I like Enzo wrestling, but he's just an ok wrestler. On the mic, that's where he brings it better than most. MJF might be that type of talent.

[BGMaverick]

He strikes me as a Miz-like guy: good at talking, pretty bland but fundamentally sound in the ring. Seems like it'd take a fluke for either guy to get hurt because they really don't overextend themselves with high-risk moves.

[Rip]

Now I like Miz, very much, and I think he’s an underrated in ring guy, perhaps in time MJF will grow on me if he goes they way and I can see the similarities, but for me he hasn’t the acting chops that help Miz so much, all the little things that almost go unnoticed in the loud overblown matches and bombastic promos, the moments of quiet and the nods to camera that connect him to the audience.

[Nash Diesel]

Now I like Miz, very much, and I think he’s an underrated in ring guy, perhaps in time MJF will grow on me if he goes they way and I can see the similarities, but for me he hasn’t the acting chops that help Miz so much, all the little things that almost go unnoticed in the loud overblown matches and bombastic promos, the moments of quiet and the nods to camera that connect him to the audience.

Yeah he gets a lot of Miz comparisons, but Miz was pretty much solid in terms of entertainment from the start. I even remember him on Real World, well the previews where he'd be acting like a deranged wrestler, probably due to being drunk since that's 90% of what that show was about lol.

If MJF, or anyone really, can be a 10th of The Miz they have a positive future. At least I hope for this Pete Gas little brother lookin motherfucker.

[Donald]

Does MJF stand for Melissa Joan Fart

[Caito]

Now I like Miz, very much, and I think he’s an underrated in ring guy, perhaps in time MJF will grow on me if he goes they way and I can see the similarities, but for me he hasn’t the acting chops that help Miz so much, all the little things that almost go unnoticed in the loud overblown matches and bombastic promos, the moments of quiet and the nods to camera that connect him to the audience.


He’s still young. 23 I believe. Took Miz a long time to get where he is. Will be interesting to see if he can grow in the role, or if entitled douche is all he has.

[Psycho666Soldier]

My God they like near falls in AEW, don't they? It's often too much.

Still enjoying it, overall, but if the only way to get the PPVs in the UK is going to be on the FITE app, my interest may start to wane.

That's why you find illegitimate means until they get it right

:shifty:

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Let's get up, let's get hyped... We're docking, the bars are closed, the buffet is empty, and Chris Jericho's "Chris Jericho's Rock 'N' Rager At Sea Part 2- The Second Wave" is over.

And now we're landlocked for another exciting episode of AEW....

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In lovely Cleveland, Ohio!

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(Somebody told me Cleveland rocks once, but I think they might have been lying.)

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- A Canadian guy who sings for a rock band and two L.A. gang-bangers take on two high-class party animals and the goth kid in your art class everybody made fun of -

The Inner Circle (Jericho, Santana, and Ortiz) vs. Private Party and Darby Allin

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- Why would a bunny hang out with a butcher anyway?

The Butcher And The Blade (w/The Bunny) vs. The Young Bucks

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- Super Bad vs. The Guy With A Super Dad

Kip Sabian vs. Cody "Don't Call Me" Rhodes

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- John Moxley addresses the AEW faithful after winning his Number 1 Contendership Match against PAC last week, in their great battle at sea.

[mth]

Please try to avoid being racist, homophobic, transphobic, or misogynistic this week, thanks.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Please try to avoid being racist, homophobic, transphobic, or misogynistic this week, thanks.

I don't have to try.

Because I'm not any of those things.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

My God, Jim Cornette's rant on his show about the Young Bucks dumping MJF in the pool last week was genius.

AEW finally gets some heavy heat for a heel and they dump it in the pool.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Moxley in an eye patch?

I've seen that look before.

https://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,dpr_auto,q_90,w_720/fl_lossy,pg_1/hlvskjjzn9wps9k1ik9s.jpg

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Apparently, Mox was caught on film doing karaoke with a bunch of marks without the eye patch on last week.

Guys, I think he's faking.

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[Tainted Eclipse]

"i hate bullies"

moxley with the ryback gimmick

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Moxley has next week off.

They're sending him to New York city to rescue the President.

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"i hate bullies"

moxley with the ryback gimmick

Be A Star.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Loved Moxley bringing up the time Chris Jericho punched Shawn Michael's wife in the face.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Chris Jericho doing "mom" jokes.

That's just lame.

And that's coming from me.

ME!

[Spudz Mackenzie]

The Hell are these dopes?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

This segment looks like a riot at an I.C.E. Detention Center.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

When did Santana and Ortiz stop calling themselves Proud and Powerful?

Because Proud and Powerful sounds like some kind of gay rights parade.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Booking The Butcher And The Blade feels like Tony Khan's excuse to exercise his dominatrix fetish on live TV.

Allie looks like somebody's reluctant girlfriend who's not entirely comfortable with the shit he bought her from the S&M store.

She would've preferred a giftcard to Bed, Bath, And Beyond.

The Not-So-Young-Looking Bucks.

There's Bald Buck and Dumbfuck Buck.

[Morrison]

I don't have to try.

Because I'm not any of those things.

lol

[Spudz Mackenzie]

The Butcher looks like the villain from a silent movie. Like he should be out there somewhere tying some crying woman to some railroad tracks.

He's a modern day Big Billy Busick.

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lol

Hey, made you laugh.

So you're not a complete humorless twat.

[Defrost]

Two many indie looking mother fuckers on this show

And is Page supposed to be an alcoholic?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Two many indie looking mother fuckers on this show

And is Page supposed to be an alcoholic?

He's a modern day Scott Hall.

[Tainted Eclipse]

man, aloof alcoholic adam page is actually a great character. i don't know if turning him heel is the right idea.

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he's cooler than the bucks and omega, so i don't know about turning him heel by having him turn on them.

[Morrison]

The Butcher looks like the villain from a silent movie. Like he should be out there somewhere tying some crying woman to some railroad tracks.

He's a modern day Big Billy Busick.

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Hey, made you laugh.

So you're not a complete humorless twat.

you shit up this thread every fucking week with this unfunny crap. you are the least self-aware person I've ever seen on these forums.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Big Swole is the Big Shits. At least in everything I've seen her in.

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you shit up this thread every fucking week with this unfunny crap. you are the least self-aware person I've ever seen on these forums.

I'm just trying to have some fun.

Why don't you just fuck off and leave me alone. dude?

[Tainted Eclipse]

my god those strikes

[Tainted Eclipse]

that spot where you grab the persons leg, swing it backwards and they take a face first bump on the apron is one of my least favorite over-used spots in wrestling right now

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Somebody in charge realized this debacle isn't worth wasting a picture-in-picture break for.

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that spot where you grab the persons leg, swing it backwards and they take a face first bump on the apron is one of my least favorite over-used spots in wrestling right now

Its overused, but some guys actually take it really well and make it look pretty good.

[Morrison]

Big Swole is the Big Shits. At least in everything I've seen her in.

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I'm just trying to have some fun.

Why don't you just fuck off and leave me alone. dude?

cause your attempts to have fun clog up this thread and seem to constantly have some borderline or blatant ignorant shit in them cause youre trying some edgy teenage humor or aping every effort of wit from jim cornette.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

cause your attempts to have fun clog up this thread and seem to constantly have some borderline or blatant ignorant shit in them cause youre trying some edgy teenage humor or aping every effort of wit from jim cornette.

I'm just posting Frinkiac memes and one-liners.

Get over yourself.

[Tainted Eclipse]

for some reason i've been thinking kip sabian was a 2000s TNA guy. is there someone who has a similar name?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

This Kip Sabian/Penelope Ford duo is close to becoming a new Marc Mero/Sable or Jeff Jarrett/Debra scenario, where the valet gets more over than the heel dude she's seconding.

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for some reason i've been thinking kip sabian was a 2000s TNA guy. is there someone who has a similar name?

Kazarian?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Given the AEW audience, there's gotta be at least a few people out there who want to see Arn Anderson make out with Cody like that.

... what? Just me?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

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[Spudz Mackenzie]

The best female performer on this show is seconding this Kat Sybian dork ass.

That's AEW's Women's Division for you.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

They're giving her more mic time?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

So, Britt Baker is an angry, modern day SJW?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Britt Baker's real feud is with Tony Schiavone's lack of dental hygiene.

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No joke here, man.

RIP - Kobe and and crew.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I know AEW doesn't do scripted promos, but my God, Britt Baker sounds like she memorized her lines from a script every time she talks.

Every promo she gives is her version of Kalisto's "good lucha stuff" promo.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

The Hybrid 2 are both hybrids of "jack" and "ass".

Angelico looks like a BMX riding, glow in the dark Halloween decoration.

[Tainted Eclipse]

with the lack of women who can actually work on the roster, why haven't aew hired ivelisse from lucha underground?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Good God, The Dark Order sucks.

But yet I feel oddly compelled to join the dark order.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

The Dark Order are very effective advertisers.

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[Spudz Mackenzie]

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[JuveLeo]

What's up with the women not striking to the face? It's straight elbow shots to the chest and they all do it and it looks horrible. Aside from that, it's been a pretty good episode.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Ortiz, the Mexican werewolf is in.

[Matthew]

why discuss anything when it gets drown out by a moron's continuous failed humor?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

why discuss anything when it gets drown out by a moron's continuous failed humor?

I'll have a serious discussion with you. Let's go.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I love when a wrestler hits an impact move, like a big strike, and the ref sells it like they're shocked by the impact too.

It might look a little over the top, but when its done just right, its fun. Really, who else has a better view of what should be a killer impact than the ref, who's meant to be watching the action under a microscope for the whole match, right?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

These Inner Circle beatdowns are feeling a little reminiscent of the NWO for me.

And now here's Moxley doing the Sting with a baseball bat.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I can't believe AEW reheated a terrible WWE feud between Mox and Jericho and its got me this hyped for another match between those two.

Just don't do another goofy weapons match in a cage.

[BGMaverick]

Moxley's promo to start the show was quite good. Feels like that's been lacking from him for the most part since he's been in AEW. Based on the finish, Moxley and Allin should be a duo that needs to work together. They look like they should be a quality pair.

Feels like MJF, Darby, Guevara were the first wave of guys they were looking to elevate or put an emphasis on. Second phase feels like Britt, Hangman, and Pac. Hangman is getting over, Pac is looking maniacal, and it appears Britt might be making some headway. She certainly sounded more comfortable with her promo this week opposed to last week.

One of the decision makers is a Chiefs fan and they are totally turning Arn Anderson into Andy Reid.

Spudz is definitely doing a good job of destroying this thread. Multiple people are complaining about him yet he's not seeing it as an issue. Not ideal.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

At least I’m leaving my mark.

[BGMaverick]

It's not a pleasant or welcomed one.

[Matthew]

thoughts during watching now:

- moxley looks badass with an eyepatch, although he needs a better fitting one. if only they could bring in PCO, that'd be fun. promo was really good bring up jericho's past and mox's honor. the bully part was weird. jericho is great.


- bucks/bb&b was meh. lame that the latter are just an afterthought, even if they had a nice little package before the match. couldn't even get back the heat after the match. hopefully the butcher drops the blade.

- the big swole/nyla match was not good. the match itself was a generic monster/underdog match, which would have been just fine with 2 decent performers. that wasn't the case here.

- for someone who has been on camera for years in the business, how does arn anderson look so awkward? the playsheet is ridiculous, but i laughed. i hope someone took a screenshot of it so we can see what it actually says. what a great coach, getting ejected and all. what is with the shit football references in wrestling this week? janela spot was fun. entertaining match, nothing mindblowing though. just moved both of their stories a little further. cody's belt buckle is gonna smack someone in the face in the stands soon. stop doing that.

- i like britt shitting on jim ross. more people should. weekly segment. he sucks.

- alcoholic hangman is great. kenny is a shit promo.

- angelico is such an awkward dude. average match. fun. right team won. please join the dark order, daniels.

- pac just wanders the streets in his ring gear. cool.

- end was generic, but fun. came after another fun match. santana always does something to make me giggle.

[BGMaverick]

This did seem the first week in a while where the first and last match of the night weren't stellar. They were good but they felt like they were a tier below what we usually see in those spots.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

why discuss anything when it gets drown out by a moron's continuous failed humor?

I'm saving all my serious discussion for the Wilfred Debate.

[BGMaverick]

I'm saving all my serious discussion for the Wilfred Debate.

I think everyone would suggest that you then need to save your non-serious rhetoric for another avenue because I haven't seen anyone say that they actually like what you provide in this thread. Some of it over time has been offensive, too. Certainly in the course of other threads but sometimes in here.

[mth]

I don't have to try.

Because I'm not any of those things.
And yet...

This segment looks like a riot at an I.C.E. Detention Center.

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Right, so maybe you noticed that just about everyone else that's posted in this thread besides yourself has commented on the fact that they don't care for your "humor" and find it detrimental to the thread? I'm not saying you're doing anything that's against the rules (outside of the tinges of the stuff you claim you don't do but actually do do on a regular basis) but if no one's appreciating your "jokes" then maybe you ought to consider not trying to be a comedian.

[Donald]

Just don't post after post, maybe engage in discussion? And if no one is discussing AEW on a Wednesday night, maybe just watch the show?

[Bagel]

Can I get a rundown of what happened on the show? It was a little inconclusive reading through here. Takes on the good parts, bad parts? Missed last night in favor of NXT.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

you shit up this thread every fucking week with this unfunny crap. you are the least self-aware person I've ever seen on these forums.

YES!

Im #2 ( at least)

So, anyhow, back on track, been watch AEW the past few weeks (should tell you how desperate I've become stuck in my cell here at home)

And reading you folks comments....

Im shocked how many are down on MJF - the guy is hilarious every time I've seen him on the mic.
By far the best (new) guy on the mic in wrestling today imo.
Compare this to Brandi Rhodes who sat in on commentary for a Women's match several weeks ago and did nothing but talk negative in a mean, nasty way that was so uncreative and grating to hear to the point I was ready to click 'mute' when the match thankfully ended.

The 'Women's' division is simply awful. Well, except for last week with 'Hell's Favorite Harlot' who lost to Britt Baker (she's a real dentist you know) . Speaking of Baker, if she is a dentist and you're obviously turning her heel, why not give her an 'evil dentist' routine with pliers grabbing teeth etc., more serious and scary like Laurence Olivier in Marathon Man than Dr Issac Yankum.....

The use of grouping many of the wrestlers together in factions is a great idea as it gives the wrestlers useful kafabe reasons to be around, help, attack and come to the rescue of other faction members. I've been wanting WWE to do this for a while but it makes too much sense for them to do this.


Jericho is a treasure on the mic but dude, eat a salad once a week or something. He looks like a stuffed pig, all he needs is Moxley to stick an apple in his mouth after delivering 'clean deeds' or whatever it's called now. Seriously, that elbow is some finisher (not).


As for the unpredictability, I can only speak for myself, but mainly it comes from the unfamiliarity with the roster, and therefore the patterns with how creative uses the various wrestlers. Also, taking time to develop initial storylines for everybody, as well as having a two hour time slot where not everybody can get on each week also adds to 'show unpredictability'. I'm sure when a second show launches they'll probably start facing accusations of over exposing certain wrestlers while not pushing or even putting others on tv; the usual whining these guys and gals do online these days.

[Sasori]

This is the second week in a row that the Nightmare Collective has been absent. Are they getting retooled or just biding their time?

[Matthew]

retooled

[JuveLeo]

What's going on with Shawn Spears? AEW are barely even using the guy, which sucks because i think he's very good if used properly. Hopefully they introduce a new title soon for the midcarders

[BGMaverick]

Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
Week four: 963,000 viewers
Week five: 759,000 viewers
Week six: 822,000 viewers
Week seven: 957,000 viewers
Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers

[Donald]

What's going on with Shawn Spears? AEW are barely even using the guy, which sucks because i think he's very good if used properly. Hopefully they introduce a new title soon for the midcarders

I think there's a reason he wasn't bigger in WWE. Maybe AEW are finding that out as well.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Shawn Spears was on the AEW Dark taping, airing next week. He teamed up with Colin Delaney.

[JuveLeo]

I think there's a reason he wasn't bigger in WWE. Maybe AEW are finding that out as well.Maybe you're right, but look what they're doing with John Morrison... dude lasted 10 seconds in the rumble and he just came back.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Anybody else think this "Shawn Spears is trying to find a good tag-team partner" story is going to conclude with Luke Harper joining him? He's set to debut in March. according to the front page.

[Peter Griffin]

Maybe you're right, but look what they're doing with John Morrison... dude lasted 10 seconds in the rumble and he just came back.

Yeah dont read anything into that, H e beat Big E and Kofi in consecutive weeks.

[Donald]

That makes John Morrison a racist.

[Tim]

Can someone explain SCU to me? I’m more confused everyweek. Why does Daniels carry a mic and stand while dancing like my Dad? When he randomly chimes in during the entrance is he trying to keep up with the theme song and failing? Or is he just talking trash? Is he playing lip synch karaoke?

Granted Daniels losing control of the mic on apron was hilarious its also cringeworthy whenever they’re not wrestling.

[Sinner]

Shawn Spears, FTR, and Brodie Lee managed by Tully Blanchard would be a neat faction

[Ringo]

Ooh, I like that.

[Murphy]

for some reason i've been thinking kip sabian was a 2000s TNA guy. is there someone who has a similar name?

Chris Sabin?

[Donald]

Kip James?

[Murphy]

So unless AEW can get another PPV deal in the UK, Revolution will only be on FITE TV for us over here. I see it's £20 though, which is handy. Figured it'd be higher.

I ordered Fight for the Fallen and Fyter Fest last year on FITE and don't recall there being too many issues watching live. Is FITE TV generally ok?

[Nash Diesel]

Shawn Spears, FTR, and Brodie Lee managed by Tully Blanchard would be a neat faction

AEW=promotion of factions lol.

Although this could be a stable where you get the ultimate "I wasn't used as well as I personally felt I should be by the big bad WWE" stable people want.

[Donald]

AEW=promotion of factions lol.

Although this could be a stable where you get the ultimate "I wasn't used as well as I personally felt I should be by the big bad WWE" stable people want.

You'd have to have a cool storyline where Jack Swagger powerbombs Jericho and then goes to this new stable as their enforcer.

[Ringo]

Fite TV has been good for me when I've done it (which has only really been for Wrestlemania weekend shows for a couple years).

[Donald]

I'll wait for Vince to buy AEW and watch Revolution on the Network in 10 years.

[Nash Diesel]

What's everyone thinking the rest of the card will look like?

Cody v. MJF for sure. What about the tag-team titles? Bucks v. Omega-Page maybe?

I can't really tell what's going on with the women's division in terms of challengers.

[Donald]

DDP vs. Glacier probably.

[BGMaverick]

What's everyone thinking the rest of the card will look like?

Cody v. MJF for sure. What about the tag-team titles? Bucks v. Omega-Page maybe?

I can't really tell what's going on with the women's division in terms of challengers.

Just guessing...

Dark Order/SCU
Janela/Sabian
Riho/Statlander or Baker

[Nash Diesel]

DDP vs. Glacier probably.

Don't give these marks any ideas lol


Just guessing...

Dark Order/SCU
Janela/Sabian
Riho/Statlander or Baker

I could see that rounding out the card.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Wasn't Glacier actually in that Las Vegas Poker Chip All-In Gotta Know When To Hold 'em Know When To Fold 'em Battle Royal thing on one of their shows?

[Nash Diesel]

Wasn't Glacier actually in that Las Vegas Poker Chip All-In Gotta Know When To Hold 'em Know When To Fold 'em Battle Royal thing on one of their shows?

God damn right he was and he would have won had it not be a mostly pro-Tekken booking team. I saw how the Elite did in the MK tournament, they fucking sucked.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I feel like this might be where we finally get Dustin/Big Hurt. At least, I hope it is.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Who's ready for some exciting wrestling action. Courtesy of AEW Wednesday Night...

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Live from the scenic and lovely state of... Alabama?

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(I'm sure its a lovely state. A real "Sweet Home", if you will.)

And tonight we'll see....

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- "The Mexican Werewolf" Ortiz vs. Jon "His Eyepatch Switches Eyes When You're Not Watching" Moxley

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- "I'm A Dentist" Dr. Britt Baker DMD vs. Yuka Sakazaki (Who?) - In Exciting AEW Women's Action

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- Eight Man Tag-Team Warfare - The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega/Adam Page vs. The Butcher and The Blade (w/The Bunny) and The Lucha Brothers

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- Cody Rhodes subjects himself to MJF's demands. 10 lashings with a belt, in order to wrestle MJF at AEW Revolution. Ouch...

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Don't worry kids, I've learned my lesson.

I won't be spamming up the thread tonight with too much nonsense.

Enjoy the show.

:yes:

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[Spudz Mackenzie]

"Ortiz is like a cigarette machine with a head on it."

Are you okay tonight, Chris?

[Psycho666Soldier]

"Ortiz is like a cigarette machine with a head on it."

Are you okay tonight, Chris?

I was scratching my head at that, too. I either completely missed the analogy, or Jericho might be having a stroke.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I was scratching my head at that, too. I either completely missed the analogy, or Jericho might be having a stroke.

He's short, stocky, and solidly built?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Moxley is the babyface and he's out here stabbing dudes in the eye? Wow.

[JuveLeo]

That was a pretty good opening match. The crowd tonight seems pretty jacked up as well.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Santana and Ortiz are both great wrestlers.

But does it bother anyone else that they don't have first names?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

JR just called Scorpio Sky "2 Cold Scorpio" and nobody noticed.

That's the high spot of this match.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I love when matches end on convincing moves that aren't established finishers. I feel like AEW has been done that more than a couple times.

Some excellent matches kicking off the show this week.

EDIT

I also really enjoy these bite-size segments of the Dark Order. It feels like it's finally starting to come together.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Double post

[Spudz Mackenzie]

As much as I don't want to admit it, Chuck Taylor and Trent? Barretta really aren't bad. I just hate Orange Cassidy like vampires hate tanning beds.

[JuveLeo]

I love when matches end on convincing moves that aren't established finishers. I feel like AEW has been done that more than a couple times.

Some excellent matches kicking off the show this week.
I agree. Hopefully they can keep this up, they've abused finishers since they have started. Matches have been great and not long, which is good.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I love how they've been making Moxley's finish a murder move. Has anyone kicked out of that yet?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

*Sighs*

Another tiny Japanese school girl.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

This shit is what AEW chooses to put on their TV for their women's division representation tonight.

On the same night, over on NXT, Charlotte Flair - a woman who main evented fucking Wrestlemania is confronting Rhea Ripley - One of the strongest pushed women the WWE has had since Becky Lynch.

There's no comparison.

Its a steak dinner vs. A bowl full of asbestos and cardboard with a nice cup of broken glass and nails to wash it down.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I'm actually a big fan of Yuka Sakazaki. She won me over purely with her personality and aesthetic at Double or Nothing. I didn't remember whether her wrestling was actually any good, but she looked better than Britt here.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Sure feels like they brought her in just so Britt could kill her and they wouldn't have to sacrifice a regular.

[Psycho666Soldier]

This shit is what AEW chooses to put on their TV for their women's division representation tonight.

On the same night, over on NXT, Charlotte Flair - a woman who main evented fucking Wrestlemania is confronting Rhea Ripley - One of the strongest pushed women the WWE has had since Becky Lynch.

There's no comparison.

Its a steak dinner vs. A bowl full of asbestos and cardboard with a nice cup of broken glass and nails to wash it down.

I'm going to assume the pool of options for them is very small. Otherwise I'm sure we'd be seeing a higher caliber women's division.

At least the angles are improving.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I'm going to assume the pool of options for them is very small. Otherwise I'm sure we'd be seeing a higher caliber women's division.

At least the angles are improving.

Agreed.

Britt looked like a psycho killer bitch. She just legitimized her heel turn. Big improvement from making fun of Tony Schiavone for being bad at making coffee.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the close up on the fake tooth in yuka's hand was a little phony but overall that was a good angle.

- - - Updated - - -

i feel like at this point the lucha bros would be more valuable to AEW as two main event level singles guys.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

"Hangman" Adam Page is the modern day Scott Hall.

Deceptively big. Deceptively strong. Can have a good match with anybody.

He's the breakout star AEW is just keeping on the slow burner.

[Tainted Eclipse]

they're nuts if they're still planning a page heel turn

[JuveLeo]

The 5 count doesn't mean anything for AEW tag matches, lol

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Its a 10 count.

But I still take your meaning.

[Tainted Eclipse]

bad booking move there. they could be on the verge of making a big star out of page, he shouldnt be taking pins.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

bad booking move there. they could be on the verge of making a big star out of page, he shouldnt be taking pins.

They'll have him eat a few big losses, build up to a heel turn, and instead they'll swerve us by keeping him face and giving him some wins, instead.

Hopefully in time for AEW to introduce a middle card belt.

[JuveLeo]

Its a 10 count.

But I still take your meaning.
I'm talking about when the non tagged man is in the ring.

[Psycho666Soldier]

bad booking move there. they could be on the verge of making a big star out of page, he shouldnt be taking pins.

I think it works because he only lost because he let his feelings get in the way. He clearly was on fire, and maybe even if he hadn't hesitated and he just ignored the Bucks, he could have done a great job. He defeated himself.

I think it's worth it for the storytelling. Page won't be hurt by this one bit.

EDIT

On a similar note, I'm loving how the storylines are getting more layered over time. Stars are engaged in multiple feuds and angles, and few things, if any, are forgotten unless it's just bad - like the Nightmare Collective.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Super Bad Kip Sabian.

With Super Skank Penelope Ford.

No joke, I love these two as a package. They're the modern day Marc Mero and Sable.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

If you squint your eyes and don't pay a lot of attention, Joey Janela actually looks a little bit like circa-1998 Chris Jericho.

[Psycho666Soldier]

I wasn't too sold on the Janela/Sabian/Ford angle, but this match is kinda winning me over. It's not even particularly great.

[JuveLeo]

I'm not really a fan of Joey Janela. I can't take him serious enough for him to be a serious threat or contender. He looks like you're regular Joe schmo

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Penelope Ford is the most complete package of anybody in this match.

Doesn't this whole angle go against AEW's attempt at being "progressive"? I mean, the crux of the feud is over who Penelope Ford dated and wants to date now.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

JR's been doing a lot of angry mumbling tonight.

Wonder what's up?

[Spudz Mackenzie]

"Shut your ass!"

Chris Jericho with another weird, "off" line.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

"Hangman" Page Sez...

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[Tainted Eclipse]

i really like this lashes angle

[Spudz Mackenzie]

If they really wanted to get some big heat, they'd have Brandi come down and beg MJF to stop. And then he'd lay into her with a lashing instead.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Adam Page is turning heel right here.

He comes down to "help" Cody, grabs the belt, and blisters him with it.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

I don't know if I'd call that segment "fun" in the traditional sense.

But that was compelling and carried off very well. No swerves, no surprises, just the right kind of well acted drama you don't see in WWE.

[Bagel]

I haven't seen too much AEW of late (this year) to say much about their matches had but it's the stories and segments around feuds and such going on that has me more interested. They seem to execute that part really well and keep it interesting for the most part.

[Donald]

6/10 for this week's show

[BGMaverick]

They're doing a good job with ample amount of time to work with in terms of Moxley and Jericho. Feels like Moxley gets more and more momentum with the audience each and every week.

Also doing a good job with course correcting Dark Order since they had that closing segment to end 2019. It's been a little more subtle and they're giving it time to build and to create more substance to the group.

Women's match itself wasn't very much, which is par for the course. It was a little corny, but at least they were mildly creative with the post match stuff and tying it together with Baker's gimmick.

Page's character over the last several weeks has certainly clicked but they're at a critical fork in the road now. Most of the signs seemed to indicate that Page would eventually turn on Omega at the end of their tag run but can you actually do that now and actually click with the audience as he's gotten so over? You can make a case that you can execute a turn after effectively playing the audience for weeks at a time but I think you take away all of the momentum he's established and he'll kind of have to start all over, just as a heel now. He can't be a fun loving drunkard as a heel.

So is it a split personality approach for Brandi? Okay... Meanwhile, Cody is on a hell of run in terms of being a superb storyteller in the ring. That last lash on the Dream tattoo was a very solid touch.

[Psycho666Soldier]

So is it a split personality approach for Brandi? Okay... Meanwhile, Cody is on a hell of run in terms of being a superb storyteller in the ring. That last lash on the Dream tattoo was a very solid touch.

I honestly feel that the Nightmare Collective might be axed. It was the one act that was consistently getting bad reactions both in the arena and on the internet. Never once had it really clicked. Even The Dark Order had elements that people liked, which makes sense why it's still a thing, just evolving. Assuming Tony means it when he says they're listening to the fans, I think they might have pulled the plug, or at least shelved it until they can make something decent out of it.

[BGMaverick]

I honestly feel that the Nightmare Collective might be axed. It was the one act that was consistently getting bad reactions both in the arena and on the internet. Never once had it really clicked. Even The Dark Order had elements that people liked, which makes sense why it's still a thing, just evolving. Assuming Tony means it when he says they're listening to the fans, I think they might have pulled the plug, or at least shelved it until they can make something decent out of it.

Granted all I'm doing is reading a recap but The NC is still doing stuff on Dark, including writing Kong off in the short term. I'm not sure if it's slowly dissolving or if they're really wanting to create a split personality for Brandi. The first option is probably welcomed by all, while the second is opening the floodgates for it to really be zany.

[Psycho666Soldier]

Granted all I'm doing is reading a recap but The NC is still doing stuff on Dark, including writing Kong off in the short term. I'm not sure if it's slowly dissolving or if they're really wanting to create a split personality for Brandi. The first option is probably welcomed by all, while the second is opening the floodgates for it to really be zany.

Oh, right, Dark. I haven't really watched that much and forget to read spoilers, so I hadn't realized they actually still had presence. But it definitely seems like they're changing lanes in the least

I actually think it would be hilarious if it turned out this is just how she gets when she drinks wine and has been on a bender, but then you're steppin' on the Hangman's noose.

[Ringo]

Man that lashes segment was great. One of the best non-wrestling segments they've done so far. Arn coming out first, Dustin offering to take the rest for Cody.... that final lash over Cody's "Dream" tattoo. MJF is such a cunt. Cody now has to go through Wardlow in a cage. The build for this match and Jericho/Mox have been going really well.

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Glad that they appear to have listened and ditched the Nightmare Collective.

[Matthew]

moxley/ortiz was a good opener. they love giving mox that spot, to get viewers hooked. i am glad he got a better eyepatch. the key in the eye was great. although, for a $750k car, i feel they would give you a different keychain than the rubber 'ford' one that you got with a 1995 ford focus. the santana promo was really stellar. he seems like the breakout star, while ortiz is the comedic element.

hey an almost decent dark order segment. best one they had, live, yet. still don't buy evil uno.

THE DOCTOR/yuka was a shit match, but great end segment. so many botches, and the tooth part looked faked, especially with her presenting it to the camera. i would have stayed with just blood, but get why they did that (SHE IS A DOCTOR OF TEETH)

elite/lucha&bbb was real fun, right up the bucks and luchas alley. glad luchas got the win. hope hangman stays in his role and doesn't go heel. bucks are much better for that role.

pac segment was great. even if he pointed out that kenny is a shitty friend. not sure why nyla is #1 contender, but whatever. riho isn't even big enough to bust a table. weird that they are doing the iron man match on tv. makes me wonder if they are going to blow a kenny & hangman/bucks match too soon at revolution.

janela/sabian. meh. nothing out of this world. not sure where this is leading too. feud seems like filler with no real direction.

cody's lashing was amazing. when it was first mentioned, it was giving me flashbacks to sandman/whipwreck in ecw with the caning. this outdid it. it was pretty brutal. cody is at a babyface level i never would have though of. every lash brought out a new element, great pacing. the wardlow shot, the double shot, the chest shot - all brutal. mjf is such an asshole. he needs a better theme, though.

[Sasori]

I didn't expect much from the lashing, but it delivered and then some. Take notes WWE, that's how you endear a babyface to the fans.

[Donald]

Not gonna lie, been checking out clips of Orange Cassidy and I just think he's great. Hope to see him in WWE one day.

[BGMaverick]

Week one: 1,409,000 viewers
Week two: 1,018,000 viewers (plus 122,000 on TruTV)
Week three: 1,014,000 viewers
Week four: 963,000 viewers
Week five: 759,000 viewers
Week six: 822,000 viewers
Week seven: 957,000 viewers
Week eight: 893,000 (first week to lose to NXT)
Week nine: 663,000 viewers (NXT higher)
Week 10: 851,000 viewers
Week 11: 778,000 viewers (tie)
Week 12: 683,000 viewers
Week 13 (after being off the week prior): 967,000 viewers
Week 14: 947,000 viewers
Week 15: 940,000 viewers
Week 16: 871,000 viewers
Week 17: 828,000 viewers
Week 18: 928,000 viewers

[mth]

Not gonna lie, been checking out clips of Orange Cassidy and I just think he's great. Hope to see him in WWE one day.
I've been thoroughly entertained by everything I've seen of him (which granted, is not a whole hell of a lot but i get the gist of what he does and I fucking love it). I'm not sure he'd work in WWE, though.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

WWE hasn't done a purely comedy guy since Santino Marella.

And even then, Santino could actually go. The guy had some badass martial arts background. They just never had him use it, because he was better as the funny dude.

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WWE hasn't done a purely comedy guy since Santino Marella.

And even then, Santino could actually go. The guy had some badass martial arts background. They just never had him use it, because he was better as the funny dude.

[mth]

WWE hasn't done a purely comedy guy since Santino Marella.

And even then, Santino could actually go. The guy had some badass martial arts background. They just never had him use it, because he was better as the funny dude.

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WWE hasn't done a purely comedy guy since Santino Marella.

And even then, Santino could actually go. The guy had some badass martial arts background. They just never had him use it, because he was better as the funny dude.

R-Truth?

[JuveLeo]

I'm excited to see the cage match between Wardlow and Cody. Intrigued to see the outcome... do they make Wardlow lose his first match? Or maybe MJF comes in, causes a distraction and Wardlow gets the cheap win. We'll see i guess.

[Ringo]

I don't think I've actually seen him do it but supposedly Orange Cassidy can actually go as well.

Like in for example this match with David Starr:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcL4a4ohS-g

Some comments:

"This was truly superb story telling in this match. Cassidy doing his normal schtick but Starr is proving he's a legit threat and doesn't play games. This causes Cassidy to unleash his true skill he has deep inside. It's the story of a fallen hero that doesn't have confidence in himself to really try anymore but when facing a villain that stands as a huge threat, he takes a beating but then showcases his real talent and shows just how tough he truly is. Cassidy may be a comedy act, he may act like he just doesn't care, but when the cards are stacked against him he will show the world just how good he is."

"The ending is cool, with once again Cassidy having a burst of energy; this also layers the character, as it shows he can obviously wrestle and has explosive energy, which can be released any time, making you wonder if his goofy presentation is just mind games."

"Freshly Squeezed shows he is far more than just a comedy act. Get him some ring action in AEW now!"

[Tainted Eclipse]

some time when they're in between PPVs and looking for a low-level title match to put on dyanmite they should do an angle where cassidy improbably wins a number one contender's battle royal, and then has his first serious match for the title with lots of near falls, ultimately losing of course.

[Nash Diesel]

Orange Cassidy would be over in seconds in the WWE. He'd be a top tier midcard guy for sure, beyond that he'd have to kind of ditch the baby shin kicks but that's about it.

I just wish he wrestled more in AEW. And I told my buddy he used to wrestle as an ant in CHIKARA was the wrong piece of knowledge because then I had to try and explain what the fuck CHIKARA is to him lol. He had never heard of it. I basically said imagine every nightmare you've had, soak it in the game Candyland, add some quality technical ability, and that's CHIKARA.

[Murphy]

I've loved the build to Cody and MJF. I was on the fence about Revolution until a couple of weeks ago, but I'll be ordering that show.

I also really liked the Mox/Ortiz opener this week. Must say though, Ortiz comes across as a total comedy character to me. The whole 'tiger claw' pose every few moves. I swear if he was doing that shit in WWE, it'd be called childish. Because it is, basically. The Inner Circle need a bit more of an edge, for me.

And yes, Adam Page is the man. My favourite on the entire roster at the moment.

[Sasori]

Nightmare Collective discussion starts at 12:50 if anyone wants to skip ahead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz2OH1dQU7w

[Nash Diesel]

Let's be honest.....Nobody cared about the Nightmare Collective. We only cared about Brandi Rhodes and what hot outfit she was going to come down to the ring wearing that night. No offense to Kong, but they weren't exactly trying to use her other than to drop a few dummies on their heads and cut their hair off. They had the bald chick, and then Jericho's boy from the old FMW days.

[Ringo]

Well yeah. I think that's the whole point. Nobody cared about it so they listened and ditched it.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Who's ready for some red hot, Wednesday Night Warfare, AEW-Style? Its time for Wednesday Night....

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And we're deep, deep down in the heart of Texas.

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And tonight in Texas, we're in for a night of world class action as...

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- "The Natural" Dustin Rhodes faces off with Sammy "The Vlogging God" Guevara

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- MJF - Fresh off of giving Cody Rhodes ten lashings last week takes on Jungle Boy - The Boy Of The Jungle

- Riho defends her AEW Women's Title against Nyla "The Yellow" Rose (Of Texas)

- And, in your featured attraction - Its An Eye For An Eye...

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- John "Watch Your Keys" Moxley takes on The Inner Circle's Own "Ow My Eye! My Doctor Said I'm Not Supposed To Get Keys In It" - Don't Call Him "Tito" - Santana!

[Donald]

This is the first ever Kenny Omega match I've seen. Come to think of it, it's the first Adam Page, Scorpio Sky, and Frankie Kazarian match I've seen.

[Beer-Belly]

Wish I'd gone to the show tonight. Cool card.

[Tainted Eclipse]

really liking this tag so far

[Beer-Belly]

Everyone needs to get on the Hangman Page bandwagon.

[Donald]

The wife thought that was ricochet hah

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Everyone needs to get on the Hangman Page bandwagon.

He's the modern day Scott Hall. Just hopefully without the propensity for alcohol and substance problems.

[Tainted Eclipse]

real great match but i wtf ending

[Tainted Eclipse]

Everyone needs to get on the Hangman Page bandwagon.

he could really have something here. he was generic overpushed guy just because he was friends with the elite at first, but since they've started this new gimmick/angle he's been awesome.

[Beer-Belly]

he could really have something here. he was generic overpushed guy just because he was friends with the elite at first, but since they've started this new gimmick/angle he's been awesome.

I always thought he had something, but now he's clicking on all cylinders.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

real great match but i wtf ending

They seem to be switching gears. Maybe they'll keep Adam Page babyface and switch SCU heels. Kaz tried to grab the rope and the ref missed it, so he's got the bitch. Maybe they could make SCU whiny heels who feel like they're being fucked around, because they're not "Elite enough".

[Beer-Belly]

My buddy got a pic with Dustin Rhodes tonight and Dustin gave him shit for wearing a custom made MOX shirt. "The official merch stand is that way. How we make our money, man." Something like that. Pretty sure he was just busting balls. That bootleg MOX shirt is way better than the stuff they're selling.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGHryekzOg

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Darby Allin vs. Sammy Guevara at Revolution?

Sounds pretty good.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Serious question; does anyone else know why Jake Hager hasn't wrestled a match for AEW yet? He's been on every show since the first episode, dressed like an accountant on his day off, but he hasn't had any in-ring time yet.

[Beer-Belly]

Serious question; does anyone else know why Jake Hager hasn't wrestled a match for AEW yet? He's been on every show since the first episode, dressed like an accountant on his day off, but he hasn't had any in-ring time yet.

It probably has something to do with him working with Bellator. That's my guess.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

It probably has something to with him working with Bellator. That's my guess.

That's what I was thinking too. But they haven't bothered to promote that fact.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Damn. Canadian Destroyer and the Curtain Call/Final Reckoning and it actually beat somebody?

Two killer moves and the guy went down, instead of running through 15 finishers, they used 2. That's a nice change of pace for AEW.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

"I want a piece of your ass."

In another time, another place, that line would have meant something completely different for that guy.

[JuveLeo]

Haha even Dustin is pissed Jake hasn't wrestled yet

[Beer-Belly]

They are stacking the fuck out of that Revolution card. Leave some for later, fellas.

[Tainted Eclipse]

the way baker still seems pretty stilted and awkward on promos actually makes her promos better

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Okay Tony, you're like 45. And you're not a rockstar or a Harrison Ford.

Ditch the earring.

Fun fact: Because of a culture that hasn't been as anti-smoking as the United States and other countries, Japanese people have, on average, a 60% higher amount of oral health and tooth health issues than people in other countries.

[Beer-Belly]

Britt is much better as a cunty heel.

Whataburger remark really cut them deep.

[JuveLeo]

Britts mic skills are actually not bad. She really needs to work on her ring skill though to reach that next level.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Five Guys > What-A-Burger.

For the record.

:heart: Britt Baker. She's such a fantastic heel. They've got to be building up to an angle where one of the babyface girls busts one of her teeth out of her mouth. Hopefully it won't look as fake as I Dream Of Genie getting her's knocked out last week.

[Beer-Belly]

Five Guys is great, but they aren't as prevalent as Whataburger.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Nyla's got her nails painted yellow.

Nice subtle shout-out to Texas.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Five Guys is great, but they aren't as prevalent as Whataburger.

To be fair, I've never been to WhatABurger. But I've been to Five Guys so many times, I needed to have my front door widened to get in and out of my house easier.

But I'd be willing to try a WhatABurger burger.

[JuveLeo]

This smells like a disqualification win for Riho.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Seems like its finally time to get the Women's Title off of the tiny school child and on an actual adult.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

If they're insisting on continuing the Nightmare Collective crap, Nyla Rose would make a great addition.

Since they turfed Kong on AEW Dark. They could use new muscle.

[Beer-Belly]

To be fair, I've never been to WhatABurger. But I've been to Five Guys so many times, I needed to have my front door widened to get in and out of my house easier.

But I'd be willing to try a WhatABurger burger.

Whataburger probably won't change your life, but it's still pretty remarkable for a chain that size. Convenient all over Texas.

[JuveLeo]

If they're insisting on continuing the Nightmare Collective crap, Nyla Rose would make a great addition.

Since they turfed Kong on AEW Dark. They could use new muscle.pretty sure the stable doesn't exist anymore. Sure seems like it anyway after Brandi's recent video

[Beer-Belly]

Seems like its finally time to get the Women's Title off of the tiny school child and on an actual adult.

Riho is apparently really popular, though. Does good quarter hour ratings and kids love her.

[Tainted Eclipse]

yeah, they need to keep in on riho for a while.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Riho is apparently really popular, though. Does good quarter hour ratings and kids love her.

She's the child identification character of the AEW show.

Because she looks like she's 8.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Nyla's version of "selling" was to waddle up to her feet and then just kinda... fall down.

... called it.

Sorry, kiddos.

[Beer-Belly]

At least Nyla can defend it more frequently. Riho tends to have obligations in Japan.

[JuveLeo]

Wow, i actually didn't see that coming lol. If they were going to make Riho drop the belt, why not wait a few more weeks for it to happen at Revolution?

[VHS]

Nyla's such a poor woman's monster heel. Her spear was whack and her powerbomb lacks impact.

She should have beat Riho to begin with so this is a step in the better direction I guess.

They have backstage segments during commercial breaks? :lol:

[Donald]

Does aew always do commercials at the seemingly wrong time

[Beer-Belly]

JEFF COBB!?

[VHS]

JEFF COBB THO! :yes:

[Sasori]

This crowd has been hot all night.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Jeff Cobb is nice.

I just wish Jeff Cobb could play Matanza Cueto outside of Lucha Underground.

Imagine The Monster Matanza showing up with Dario Cueto seconding him.

[Sasori]

Dario leading the Dark Order would be fantastic.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Dario leading the Dark Order would be fantastic.

Damn right.

Dario as the mouthpiece, and Fat Guy Uno as a regular wrestler. That'd be perfect. I can't take The Dark Order seriously, because chubsy flubsy Evil Uno looks like a fat dork in a bad Halloween costume. He doesn't sell me on a cult anyone would want to join.

[JuveLeo]

Matt Hardy will be leading the Dark Order lol

[Beer-Belly]

Matt Hardy will be leading the Dark Order lol

That's not a bad thing.

[JuveLeo]

That's not a bad thing.

It would be a cool debut lol. He can bring his broken persona he loves so much back.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

The fact that MJF just did that in front of AEW's female ref just made that bit even better.

Christ, that's such simple heat. But it really works for a simple heel like MJF.

[JuveLeo]

Nice double cross from MJF lol. I see he's been working on it since he butchered it the first time he used it. Haha

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Nice double cross from MJF lol. I see he's been working on it since he butchered it the first time he used it. Haha

I think it'd be better if he always did it kind of sloppy. They could say MJF thinks he's so much better than Cody, he can beat guys with Cody's finish easier than Cody can.

And then the first time MJF really snaps it off proper is at Revolution, Cody kicks out and MJF goes apoplectic.

[Sasori]

Pac is the fucking man.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Okay, seriously, who is the Jesus who seems to follow AEW to every town for Dynamite?

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This show has been so fun tonight, I've barely been distracted by the supposed "grown man" dressed like Scooby-Doo in the front row.

Zoinks!

[Spudz Mackenzie]

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John Moxley is only the second coolest person I've seen with an eye patch this week.

(I started watching Disney+ the other day.)

(He's not technically a "person", but he's a humanoid-duck type creature. He counts. Close enough.)

[Beer-Belly]

That show ruled.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

All joking aside, that was a really solid show.

It seems like, when AEW has a pay-per-view to build to and have a card to focus on building, that's when they do their best work.

[Bagel]

My issue with the PPV date at first was that it was so far away at the time but they've really built so much stuff up well without really fucking it up.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

My issue with the PPV date at first was that it was so far away at the time but they've really built so much stuff up well without really fucking it up.

I like it.

AEW doesn't have a Network-style service, where we can watch a pay-per-view for $10 a month, so they announce a major show a month out and really have to build to it. $40 for an AEW event is obviously way more of an investment than $10.

And because they've only got one weekly TV, they need to make every week feel like destination viewing. Its a really overly "traditional" way to run a wrestling promotion. Its a "less is more" approach that actually manages to make the big matches of the big show feel, well, big.

[Greed]

To be fair, I've never been to WhatABurger. But I've been to Five Guys so many times, I needed to have my front door widened to get in and out of my house easier.

But I'd be willing to try a WhatABurger burger.

Not really fair to compare a fast food place to a fast casual either. Both are at the top of their category though.

Whatburger milkshakes used to be great.

[Spudz Mackenzie]

Not really fair to compare a fast food place to a fast casual either. Both are at the top of their category though.

Whatburger milkshakes used to be great.

To be completely honest, given the choice, I'd probably gobble down a couple Big Macs and a large fry from McDonald's over WhatABurger or Five Guys. I need to be in a very special state of mind to eat Five Guys. I need to be okay with feeling like a well-fed tick for a day or so after I eat there.

[BGMaverick]

All in all, I think they've really corrected course since the last show of 2019 and they're in a groove now. That was a very tight episode. Not a lot of stuff to see a fault in when you look at the entire show. To me, the biggest gripe is that it wasn't ideal to have your new champion cut a promo during a commercial. It seems that they run very hot and cold in terms of their usage with the picture in picture approach.

Baker is continuing to find her way with her promos. More importantly, they're getting a very strong amount of heat. I guess she's going to have some extra rope in terms of completing the puzzle because as a heel she doesn't necessarily be great in the ring. She just needs to cheat and get heat.

Cobb honestly made sense in either AEW or NXT so this is a good landing spot for him. AEW was in need of size diversity and it appears that's on the horizon for them with Cobb mingling with them, and reports of Archer, Cage, and Harper being in the mix in the near future.

Revolution looks like:
Moxley versus Jericho
Cody versus MJF
Omega and Hangman versus The Bucks
Sammy versus Darby
Dustin versus Hager
Rose versus Shida or Riho (?)
SCU versus Dark Order

Good card.

[Sinner]

This could be one hell of a singles roster: Hager, Cobb, Pentagon, Fenix, Hangman, Cage, Harper, Moxley, Archer, Omega, PAC, Cody, Dustin, MJF, Jericho...

[Ringo]

Great episode. Things in AEW have begun to really fall into place.

Hangman Page is quickly becoming the promotion's first real breakout star. Who would have thought that? Coupled with the solid ring work he's got personality now and people have really taken to him. I'm enjoying Omega and Page's tag run and think the Bucks feud should be what really puts the promotion's tag title division on the map. My guess is that everything was set for Page to turn on Kenny but they've changed course as a result of Page's reactions.

Santana's sit down promo with JR about his blind Dad was class.

Baker's heel turn has done wonders for her and this was her best bit yet. Nyla Rose takes the title from Riho which I'm cool with. The division is improving, slowly but surely. Not sure where they're going with Nyla/Omega/etc. but I'm intrigued.

Dustin/Sammy was a great little TV match and I loved the stuff between Dustin and Hager. I'm really looking forward to that one.

MJF continues to be a great dickhead and I was absolutely howling when JR started screaming SHUT UP at him to defend Brandi's honour. :lol: Cody/Wardlow IN THE CAGE should be a blast. As for Jungle Boy, I'm already anticipating how much fun it's going to be seeing him eventually win the big one down the line.

Mox's entrance with the camera following him through the concourse and crowd makes him look like a huge star. I like that better than him just appearing somewhere in the crowd. Jeff Cobb is a good addition to the roster and the Inner Circle. This current version of Jericho is so entertaining as well. He looks like he's having a blast playing the part.

Maybe the best episode of Dynamite so far.

[Greed]

This could be one hell of a singles roster: Hager, Cobb, Pentagon, Fenix, Hangman, Cage, Harper, Moxley, Archer, Omega, PAC, Cody, Dustin, MJF, Jericho...

How certain are we that they'll introduce a midcard belt soon, most likely by years end?

[cmpunkisecw]

This was basically a PPV, not only that but a bloody Grade A quality PPV on a standard Dynamite episode- we as fans are getting spoilt right now, AEW kicked WWE’s ass this week ����

The storyline’s leading to Revolution are solid AF right now along with PAC v Omega and of course “freshly squeezed” is must see every week for me ����

[Donald]

Tried AEW last night, but whether it be my WWE bias or what, just wasn't feeling it. I was interested in Swagger/Rhodes, but not much else. Thought the Britt Baker promo was cringeworthy, but maybe that was the point? Women's match felt odd to me. Dunno. Maybe I'll try again next week and see what's up. I'm sure the couple of shows before the PPV will be epic. Also don't get the picture in picture part of the show. Like, I've seen it on Smackdown or RAW, but they usually do that when a match is going on, but AEW had Nyla Rose talking to Kenny Omega and I was like wtf are they saying? And Orange Cassidy too, I was like what's going on?

[Nash Diesel]

JR had the line of the night:

"Nyla Rose is now the KING of the mountain" People are like "Why did Riho lose?" Well, if you've been following twitter lately you'll know exactly why. Kenny panicked and booked his 20 year old girlfriend to job because of all the heat he's been getting and the Cornette posts toward him, HOLY SHIT, fucking goldmine.

I like Omega very much but it's hard not to enjoy Corny ripping the fuck out of the guy.

I'm only about 70% in, basically just haven't seen the main event but it's been a good show minus pretty much everything involving "women" and I'm just not high on the Dark Order. People keep thinking Matt Hardy, Luke Harper, it's gotta be someone from WWE apparently but I think it's going to be Christopher Daniels. They're going to try some magic shit, look at what my left hand is doing while the right does the trick.....I just keep thinking they're pulling from the HIGHER POWER angle 20 years ago when Vince joined the darkside after battling Undertaker for a little while.

Luke Harper isn't a leader, and Matt Hardy deserves more than what we're seeing out of that stable and it just seems lazy to have it be a former WWE talent.



Okay, seriously, who is the Jesus who seems to follow AEW to every town for Dynamite?

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This show has been so fun tonight, I've barely been distracted by the supposed "grown man" dressed like Scooby-Doo in the front row.

Zoinks!

At first, and I hadn't even smoked yet, I thought I was seeing things and then my friend was like, "Look at the idiot in the scooby doo pajamas!"

[Sasori]

Ya know, I was thinking Daniels would be a great person to lead the Dark Order. They can't drag this reveal out too much longer. If their options are limited, he's a good choice.

[BGMaverick]

The Daniels thing looks like a red herring to me and Hardy just makes sense as the Exalted One. If anything, it comes across to me that they're running the gag that Daniels was going to be the Higher Power and dropped it so they're giving the vibe he's going to be one again just to zag.