WWE GREAT BALLS OF FIRE

[Bill Casey]

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WWE Universal Championship
Brock Lesnar vs. Samoa Joe





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Ambulance Match
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman





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WWE RAW Women's Championship Match
Alexa Bliss vs. Sasha Banks






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Grudge Match
Enzo Amore vs. Big Cass






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30 Minute Iron Man RAW Tag Team Title Match
The Bar vs. The Hardy Boyz





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WWE Intercontinental Title
The Miz vs. Dean Ambrose





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Grudge Match
Seth Rollins vs. Bray Wyatt





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WWE Cruiserweight Championship - Kickoff Match
Neville vs. Tozawa

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Gotta love that logo.

Great balls indeed.

[Peter Griffin]

They changed from that logo though?

[PurePlayer]

hah I really hope we don't get Reigns vs Balor. We know what will happen

[Donald]

They changed from that logo though?
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[RuneEdge]

Reminded me of this a little.

http://www.hoffco-inc.com/wwe/ppv/ppv/img/logo-sur94.jpg

[son_of_foley]

This name reminds me of http://imgur.com/gallery/otnJ8IU

[mth]

God I want Joe to beat Brock so fucking much. Make Joe the new Brock that's actually around all the time and gives a shit. Start hyping 'who can stop this unstoppable killer?!' matches that actually lead to good matches instead of phoned-in German suplexes and whatever the fuck that Orton/SummerSlam thing was.

[Donald]

Replace Joe with Strowman and I'm with that idea. I'd have Lesnar squash Joe, with Cole saying "Who can stop the beast?" Enter Strowman. It'll probably be Roman though.

[Kdestiny]

God I want Joe to beat Brock so fucking much. Make Joe the new Brock that's actually around all the time and gives a shit. Start hyping 'who can stop this unstoppable killer?!' matches that actually lead to good matches instead of phoned-in German suplexes and whatever the fuck that Orton/SummerSlam thing was.

This would be pretty excellent. Joe is a really great all around performer. Very similar to Brock but more well versed, agile, and can talk on his own.

They will never do it though.

[PurePlayer]

As cool as it would be, obviously Joe wouldn't be as big of a draw as Brock. I would love for someone other than Roman to beat him. Won't happen though. It will be Roman conquering HHH, Taker, Brock this year, and Cena next year.

[Jordo]

God I want Joe to beat Brock so fucking much. Make Joe the new Brock that's actually around all the time and gives a shit. Start hyping 'who can stop this unstoppable killer?!' matches that actually lead to good matches instead of phoned-in German suplexes and whatever the fuck that Orton/SummerSlam thing was.

This. So much this.

Lesnar is a bit stale which makes his barely appearing even worse. It's not that Brock is bad it's just that we've kind of seen it all now. We need a competitive Brock match that he loses.

[Nash Diesel]

As cool as it would be, obviously Joe wouldn't be as big of a draw as Brock. I would love for someone other than Roman to beat him. Won't happen though. It will be Roman conquering HHH, Taker, Brock this year, and Cena next year.

Brock is an attraction for sure, but is he really a huge draw? Yes, Joe wouldn't be AS BIG of a draw in the big picture, but nobody is the same type of attraction as Lesnar. It'd be like someone going "You can't have Jake the Snake beat Andre the Giant, obviously Jake won't be as big of a draw as Andre was." What happens when that thought process is Goldberg squashing Lesnar in a minute instead of someone they can get some longevity out of that would improve the product as a whole on a consistent basis, not just a quick shot in the arm that doesn't work that often.

[Beer-Belly]

God I want Joe to beat Brock so fucking much. Make Joe the new Brock that's actually around all the time and gives a shit. Start hyping 'who can stop this unstoppable killer?!' matches that actually lead to good matches instead of phoned-in German suplexes and whatever the fuck that Orton/SummerSlam thing was.

That's not going to happen because Brock has to be kept strong so Roman can beat him at WrestleMania in a match that no one gives a shit about.

[mth]

Replace Joe with Strowman and I'm with that idea. I'd have Lesnar squash Joe, with Cole saying "Who can stop the beast?" Enter Strowman. It'll probably be Roman though.
If Strowman wasn't injured, I'd be pretty down (except for Brock squashing Joe, he can win but I'd have it more even).

As cool as it would be, obviously Joe wouldn't be as big of a draw as Brock. I would love for someone other than Roman to beat him. Won't happen though. It will be Roman conquering HHH, Taker, Brock this year, and Cena next year.
And I get that about being a draw. Brock's money and that's why things are the way they are with him. Also, I don't mind Roman being the dude 'cuz I'm a fan but I'll admit it'd be nice if they gave some other folks a bit of the shine they save for him.

That's not going to happen because Brock has to be kept strong so Roman can beat him at WrestleMania in a match that no one gives a shit about.
I, for one, will be cheering my ass off when big Rome puts Brock down.

[PurePlayer]

Brock is an attraction for sure, but is he really a huge draw? Yes, Joe wouldn't be AS BIG of a draw in the big picture, but nobody is the same type of attraction as Lesnar. It'd be like someone going "You can't have Jake the Snake beat Andre the Giant, obviously Jake won't be as big of a draw as Andre was." What happens when that thought process is Goldberg squashing Lesnar in a minute instead of someone they can get some longevity out of that would improve the product as a whole on a consistent basis, not just a quick shot in the arm that doesn't work that often.

We will find out how many extra viewers Brock brings in tonight especially with the NBA finals. If they get like 3.2 million viewers that would be a huge success in my eyes.

[Beer-Belly]

I, for one, will be cheering my ass off when big Rome puts Brock down.

You should. Roman is a massive money maker with a magnetic character that has huge crossover appeal. Oh wait, none of those things are true.

[lotjx]

I think we grossly overestimate Brock's box office after he pissed hot for UFC.

[Peter Griffin]

Do we really Lotjx? Show your math.

[Nash Diesel]

I think there are fans who wouldn't mind Lesnar losing to several people. I've always felt the losses Lesnar has taken since he returned were not necessary. I'm not saying he should be undefeated, I just think maybe they could have given him losses that weren't headscratching decisions. The only loss I felt was understandable and booked well was the loss to Undertaker where he was choked out. The losses to Cena, Triple H, and Goldberg....eh. It just feels like everyone he's lost to including Undertaker, there was no real long term benefit from any of them. Even from a "dream match" aspect where you had Cena in a totally different spot than the last time Lesnar was here or Triple H for the first time, etc. What was the long term, or really even short term benefit? Seemed like a week later nobody cared, usually because Lesnar has a match and then 9/10 times he's gone for another 2-3 months.

I honestly would have had him to lose to CM Punk. Have Lesnar stay undefeated and then Punk pulls off the miracle. Maybe that would have been too early? If DB would have been healthy, I've heard he was going to be destroyed but imagine if he won? Incredible. If they were really really smart they would have held off on Lesnar losing, create a "new" Streak so to speak after beating Undertaker, and then when the time was right to build a newer main event guy, you have that guy dethrone Lesnar. Whether that's Ambrose, Reigns, Joe, Balor, Nakamura, Styles, etc. it wouldn't matter. Just someone that came around the WWE within the last 10 years haha.

[mth]

You should. Roman is a massive money maker with a magnetic character that has huge crossover appeal. Oh wait, none of those things are true.
Or, you know, maybe I'm just a big Reigns fan and am totally over Lesnar.

[Honey_Badger]

Or, you know, maybe I'm just a big Reigns fan and am totally over Lesnar.

:yes:

[Nash Diesel]

Or, you know, maybe I'm just a big Reigns fan and am totally over Lesnar.

Exactly.

I think there are fans who wanting a little more variety in how they handle Lesnar these days. And for me, if the guys I want to face Lesnar and BEAT Lesnar are not people who are "massive money makers with magnetic character and huge crossover appeal" so fucking be it because very few wrestlers over the last 20+ years have lived up to those traits. Even John Cena is barely what was described as he has the promoter to thank for keeping him in that position at the expense of the entire product for an entire generation of fans. I'd love to know the average % of fans who grew up with John Cena on top are still fans in their 20's. The average WWE fan are mainly fans who grew up in the 80's and 90's, people between the ages of say 30-50. A big gap I get it but a couple million of those people watching isn't a huge number.

We'll never know if these guys can be that big if the promoter and the creative team are not giving others those chances. Who's to say if Joe chokes out Lesnar or Roman pins Lesnar or Balor defeats Lesnar what kind of aftershock that will have. WCW for example had a really hard time grasping the fact that you have to take a chance more often than not on some unestablished guys mixing it up and getting the rub from the established. If it works, awesome, if not at least you tried. You had a handful of WCW guys who were every truly giving those chances: The Giant, Goldberg, Buff Bagwell, DDP, guys who at the time were strictly known for their WCW work and I would say all 3 of those guys benefited greatly from being able to work with talent like Sting, Hogan, Nash, Luger, etc. And even though WCW was starting to tank around 1999/2000, you had Booker T's stock grow by working with Sid, Goldberg, Nash. It can't just be t.v. exposure. Even though that match is a 5-10 minute advertisement for you, sometimes there needs to be more than just a match on Smackdown.

[Beer-Belly]

Can anyone enlighten me as to what draws you to Roman Reigns?

[Nash Diesel]

Can anyone enlighten me as to what draws you to Roman Reigns?

Me personally, I don't think he's a top tier guy, at least with how they've booked him over the last couple years but he has his positives. I like his matches for the most part, dude has an intensity about him that I like. I was more into his role with The Shield. Tag guy, powerhouse of the trio, comes in and wrecks shit. He's like Incredible Hulk and we've seen that Hulk as the main attraction doesn't exactly scream billions. But millions are cool and Roman's definitely someone I don't mind seeing in the WWE, I just don't really care for how strong he's booked.

[Andrew6586]

Can anyone enlighten me as to what draws you to Roman Reigns?
I would love for someone to make a compelling argument about this. His rig work is good but he doesn't do ANYTHING that stands out as great. There isn't one specific thing that he's exceptional at. It boggles my mind and nobody has ever given an actual good reason to love him so much other than "he looks like a badass."

In fact, you've inspired me to start a new thread on the topic. We must investigate this.

[Nash Diesel]

I'll say this, Roman Reigns does more for me as a babyface than Seth Rollins does. And the funny thing is, I think both guys would be better as heels. Even crazier, I think that after a big long top level heel run out of Roman, he could flip it and be a top tier babyface that would be accepted than he is now.

[Rancid_Planet]

I wouldn't mind Brock/Roman at mania depending on the scenario.

For one thing, the match will need great build. Primarily because we've seen it before just a couple years ago so it will feel a bit stale if it's just another "Roman has to prove he's the new big thing" deal. Part II would need to be much more personal. The story will need a big hook.

Secondly, and this connects to the first point, it doesn't need to be for the title. This needs to be about more than a title. It needs to be about Roman and Brock feeling a need to assert dominance. To secure their spot as the alpha of the Raw roster. Once again keep it personal. A journey for the championship will feel like "business as usual" and this match will need to feel gritty and real. Bigger than a championship match you might say.

They also need to be able to go the extra mile and have a chance to steal the whole show. A no dq stip might be a good idea just so they can get out of the ring for long stretches and also bring some weapons into play. This needs to be a war. Not just a match. Up the game. Make this one feel like it matters. Two gladiators pushing themselves to the limit because it deeply matters to both men that they come out the victor. Not for championship gold but for pride. That's what I'd want to see.

[Nash Diesel]

The only reason I don't want to see Roman v. Brock at Mania is possibly petty but I don't care. It would be the main event. And Roman being in 4 straight Mania main events simply because the promoter wants to convince fans someone is more over than they really are just bugs the shit out of me. Call me old school at 35 haha but things like main event WrestleMania and beating Undertaker at WrestleMania and being World champion, and doing those things because not because the promoter wants you to have those accolades on your resume but also because the majority of the fans want to see it as well. Can anyone realistically look themselves in the mirror and say "Roman Reigns headlining 4 WrestleMania's in a row makes perfect sense"...? I can't even think of 1 that he's headlined, including this year's, that it made sense. If "it made sense" means, to have a great picture of Roman posing with fireworks behind him after beating Undertaker...sure. I'm not even convinced this was Taker's last ride but if it was then I'll bend for it being reasonable to headline. I just hate that the visual seemed more about Roman than Undertaker, like a passing of the torch to someone a lot of people didn't want the torch passed to.

[PurePlayer]

Roman vs Brock is just meh. What will Roman gain by beating Brock? He will be in the same spot he was before the match and more hated than he was before the match. There is nothing about Roman that appeals me. If anything, it makes me want to change the channel because it is the same old shit. He already ran through all the main event guys on RAW. What's left?

[Nash Diesel]

Roman vs Brock is just meh. What will Roman gain by beating Brock? He will be in the same spot he was before the match and more hated than he was before the match. There is nothing about Roman that appeals me. If anything, it makes me want to change the channel because it is the same old shit. He already ran through all the main event guys on RAW. What's left?

A clean win over Lesnar that's what is left my brother!

It's a shame that Roman could actually be more over in a different position, with different booking, and there's still time to right those wrongs over the years. A heel turn is just the start. Like you said, "what's left?" I think being a true heel is what is left for Roman. Yeah he's beat everyone, but we haven't seen a heel Roman take out his best friend Ambrose and do an angle. We haven't seen Roman v. Balor in an angle. And I don't think Roman is someone who will turn and automatically everyone will love him that hated him lol. Some might, but a very large % will boo the fuck out of him even more.

If Roman were a heel, then a match with Lesnar becomes even more interesting because running this back as a singles match does nothing for me as well. While I like Roman Reigns, I don't really put him in my top 20. I would take a lot of wrestlers over Roman to go up against Lesnar and win. There's probably 10 guys right now that I'd rather see beat Lesnar than Roman. I'd like to see Sami Zayn beat Lesnar for example. I don't care if Zayn may or may not be a crossover sex symbol presenting an MTV award and then doing a 20 minute part in a dirtball comedy starring Amy Schumer. Doesn't matter to me because realistically you can't predict who can or can't be a crossover star if you're holding them down underneath guys who were established before Eddie died.

[Rancid_Planet]

We have to abandon this false hope of Roman turning heel. It ain't happening. That Table for 3 pretty much proved that.

Eric mentions how Roman is sitting on the verge of blowing up as the biggest cool heel of the new era and Hayes shuts it right down by going on about how Cena also got booed and Roman is the new Cena. It doesn't matter if Roman and Cena are comparable in very few ways. (Cena a thousand times better on the mic and Roman far FAR ahead of Cena's ring skills at the same point in his career) The company goal here is to push Roman as the new Cena and that's that.

It's enjoyable to just watch the chaos of his crowd reactions and how creative plays into them.

[Beer-Belly]

Cena also sold/sells a lot more tickets and merch than Roman. They're off base comparing the two.

[Beer-Belly]

Cena shouldn't have to lose to Roman at this point. That latter will have already retired The Undertaker and beaten Brock Lesnar. I'd be Hogan-y as a mother fucker if I were Cena in that situation.

[Nash Diesel]

I got tired of the whole Cena crowd reaction excuse years ago when it was just pertaining to Cena lol. I find nothing enjoyable about it with Roman because we had to sit through it for years with Cena, that shit took awhile to tolerate i.e. his booking and the crowd reactions toward it. It's like I've said here just within the last few days...Don't like Roman? Don't be silent, just cheer hard as fuck for who you want instead and hope that works. If Roman is out there with Finn Balor, don't chant "Roman Sucks" chant "Let's Go Balor!" Hell, if Roman is out there and Balor's not, chant for Balor during the match.

But the flipside is we know how the ego of WWE creative can be and if your'e a little too into someone they're not as into, that could be a bad thing. They'll give in for a minute and then Roman is back to where they wanted him to be, all while squashing your guy in the process as a way for the ego to subtly tell you to "SUCK ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT"

[Nash Diesel]

Cena also sold/sells a lot more tickets and merch than Roman. They're off base comparing the two.

Cena's also been in the top spot a lot longer than Roman. I don't think they truly meant he's the new Cena in that he brings in the same amount of $$$, just the position he's in.


Cena shouldn't have to lose to Roman at this point. That latter will have already retired The Undertaker and beaten Brock Lesnar. I'd be Hogan-y as a mother fucker if I were Cena in that situation.

There were a lot of guys Cena shouldn't have beat when he did but he did. What was the point of Cena beating Lesnar in Lesnar's return match? Why did Cena need to beat The Rock at Mania 29? Why did he need to beat Bray Wyatt at Wm 30? Shit I would have had him lose to Triple H at Mania 22 just going by crowd reaction the last 7 months leading up to that show. Roman going over Cena would be fitting.

[Beer-Belly]

It's not fitting because Roman will have already beaten The Undertaker and Brock Lesnar. He's clearly the company's top guy already. Beating John Cena won't cause the crowd to go "Okay, we get it now."

[Honey_Badger]

Roman is great. He has a wonderful look, and for a "big guy" he can move well in the ring, adapt to anyone's still and control the flow of a match very nicely. His matches are filled with drama and people care, one way or another. He just clicks. If they would let him loose as a heel, his mic work would improve drastically as well, as his attitude and persona fits the heel gimmick better. The latter is not a knock on him, better a knock on WWE for not positioning their wrestlers in roles where they can succeed!

[Rancid_Planet]

All true. Nothing about Roman's "situation" is his fault. All he does is the best he can with everything he's given.

[Nash Diesel]

It's not fitting because Roman will have already beaten The Undertaker and Brock Lesnar. He's clearly the company's top guy already. Beating John Cena won't cause the crowd to go "Okay, we get it now."

They might. And define "the crowd"? The impressionable audience is already won over. The fans who go with whoever the WWE presents as a top guy. Roman also in a way does have the respect of the smark crowd, because we know he can deliver in the ring it's just a matter of character work that is holding him back.

Cena....It took many, many years for him to win over the majority of the crowd like he had done before winning the belt at Mania 21. Nowadays, does anyone really care about the angles as much as they want to see if Cena can rise to the occasion against a top tier wrestler. Nobody is really waiting for a great promo or anything because we've heard it all for 10+ years.

Point is I think if they keep beating Roman over heads, he will continue being looked at as a top tier guy for sure. I imagine in a lot of cases the idea is to put someone over multiple top guys to show the crowd this dude is the man. Why did Cena beat Triple H, Shawn, Kurt Angle, and other top guys? To show he was a top tier player. And most of those big big wins came when the crowd hated him more than they've ever hated on Roman.

[Honey_Badger]

Roman versus Cena is probably the "biggest" match they have on paper.

Personally, I would much prefer Roman v Cena at 34 then Roman v Brock.

[lotjx]

Do we really Lotjx? Show your math.

Brock's piss isn't the only thing coming in hot! I would suggest looking at the ratings since buyrates are now an almost dead thing for the WWE.

[Peter Griffin]

So you are saying ratings don't spike when Brock is on? Show your math.

[PurePlayer]

No point in arguing when we will have our answer tomorrow.

[Nash Diesel]

But will the answer be, "ratings went up .02 so that has to be Lesnar"? Unless there's a significant jump in ratings it's almost impossible without seeing the actual breakdowns of each segment. But it is par for the course to automatically assume an increase from the previous week would be attributed solely to Lesnar.

[BGMaverick]

I would be stunned if the numbers were flat or up from last week. I'm going in assuming it was going to continue the downward trend in numbers from the previous weeks. The Finals are getting strong numbers and this is a potential closeout game. It's the last bitter pill WWE has to endure in terms of sports until the fall, more than likely.

[Mark Hammer]

Terrible, terrible, terrible, awful name for a ppv. Even worse than Roadblock. What is wrong with this company?

[PurePlayer]

If the ratings go from 2.9 million to 3.2 million, I would imagine it's fair to say it had to do with Brock.

[Peter Griffin]

Well Brock is opening I have just read. So lets see.

[PurePlayer]

Hopefully they bookend Brock to show up at 8 and then again at 10 or 11.

[Nash Diesel]

Hopefully they stretch out Lesnar through the whole show and not just the opening segment. The idea I assume is to make people want to watch 3 hours of Raw not just first 30 minutes before jump.

[Beer-Belly]

Terrible, terrible, terrible, awful name for a ppv. Even worse than Roadblock. What is wrong with this company?
It's run by a man that's nearly 72 years old.

[Beer-Belly]

Brock's piss isn't the only thing coming in hot! I would suggest looking at the ratings since buyrates are now an almost dead thing for the WWE.

Ratings have gone down 20% every year for half a decade or so. There's no evidence to suggest that Brock pissing hot hurt his ability to draw.

[lotjx]

Ratings have gone down 20% every year for half a decade or so. There's no evidence to suggest that Brock pissing hot hurt his ability to draw.

I disagree. The ratings are the best indicator as well as attendance. Since Brock is MIA, we have to use ratings as a clear indicator.

[Beer-Belly]

What? Ratings usually go up when Brock is featured.

[Atty]

God I want Joe to beat Brock so fucking much. Make Joe the new Brock that's actually around all the time and gives a shit. Start hyping 'who can stop this unstoppable killer?!' matches that actually lead to good matches instead of phoned-in German suplexes and whatever the fuck that Orton/SummerSlam thing was.

My thing, and this is a side rant, is that neither title has made sense since before Mania. They had Goldberg (a part timer) beat KO (who they spent half a year building up as champion) in like ten seconds so he could drop the belt to Brock (another part timer) and not have the title on tv at all.

AJ losing the title at all on the other side seems ridiculously bad to me now. They build him up for a year only for him to lose the belt so it can be in one of the worst Mania matches to feature it ever. AJ keeping it and just doing Randy/AJ makes a lot more sense to me now, with Randy still being a Wyatt.

Rant over. Push Joe. I know he's not winning because Brock can't lose until Roman, but Joe is a beast right now and would be an excellent champion.

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

I just showed the Great Balls of Fire Logo to my wife and JeNwO

Their reaction to the Great Phalic Symbol of Fire was priceless as I showed it to them without a word.

RAW skits should get such laughter.

[Peter Griffin]

THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING LOGO

[soxfanatic]

Here comes Peter riding in on his horse to defend everything WWE

[Bill Casey]

THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING LOGO

I wonder why they changed the logo...

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/thats-a-penis.gif

[Peter Griffin]

:chin:

[Bill Casey]

WWE changed the logo again...
Here's the new one...

https://s23.postimg.org/62lk71nqj/wwegbof.jpg

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

I wonder why they changed the logo...

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/thats-a-penis.gif

My wife does not look like that!

[Bill Casey]

If you say so...

[Nash Diesel]

I'm a fan of the idea of Jim Ross getting to call Joe v. Lesnar. Jim Ross and Corey Graves calling this match would be incredible.

[PurePlayer]

Ok so if Braun comes back this Monday and interrupts Roman which leads to a match here wouldn't that mean Braun would beat Roman again since he is slated to face Brock at Mania? How would that tie into Roman's summerslam announcement?

[BGMaverick]

Ok so if Braun comes back this Monday and interrupts Roman which leads to a match here wouldn't that mean Braun would beat Roman again since he is slated to face Brock at Mania? How would that tie into Roman's summerslam announcement?

The idea of Roman announcing something for TWO PPVs from now is dumb. I get announcing he's going to say something next week in order to try to create intrigue and bring viewers in, but doing it for a PPV farther in advance seems silly.

I think there's a lot of ambiguity going on, which I like. The original working idea was that Braun was going to go towards Lesnar likely at this upcoming PPV with an outside shot of it being Summerslam. If Joe creates enough interest to keep this as more than a one-off match with Lesnar, then they need to roll with that and have Braun do something else. I figure they close a loose end between Braun and Roman. If Braun is cleared and ready, they can do it at either PPV, with it continuing at Summerslam if Joe/Lesnar is still cooking. If not, Braun handles his business with Roman and goes to Lesnar at Summerslam.

[PurePlayer]

I don't know why but I can't see Braun beating Roman again. I mean he will have to if they face again if the plan is still Braun vs Brock. I am intrigued in where they go at least

[BGMaverick]

I don't know why but I can't see Braun beating Roman again. I mean he will have to if they face again if the plan is still Braun vs Brock. I am intrigued in where they go at least

I can definitely see him winning. Whether he's a face or a heel, it seems awfully deflating for him to come back from an injury and lose. There's been potential missteps with his build along the way, but I think this would be one of the bigger ones if he didn't win. I think the main thing they'll do if it does go to Lesnar/Reigns at Mania is that all of these guys are going to push Lesnar in different ways. They won't win but they'll take something from him each time. Reigns will look strong because he's the one who actually beats him, but in reality Lesnar would be wearing down over time.

There's definitely intrigue because I appreciate the notion they might not be stubborn and let Joe/Lesnar breath if the work that's put into it actually merits more than one match.

[Nash Diesel]

I see the obvious happening. Roman goes to make his announcement nobody gives a shit about and Braun interrupts to the delight of the fans and either brawls, destroys, or challenges Roman.

I mean seriously, let's ponder the announcement possibilities. He's not going to challenge John Cena, Cena's not coming back for almost another month, and it'll be on a Smackdown show. It'd be different if this were Raw, then Roman could say "I"l be waiting to greet John Cena when he returns to Raw on July 4th". Is he going to challenge the winner of Joe-Lesnar out of thin air? Possibly. Maybe he announces that Summerslam will see the return of the Elimination Chamber, it'll be inter-promotional and he's the first one throwing his name in the hat.

Bleacher Report had one that stood out, saying Balor could interrupt Roman's plans to challenge Joe v. Lesnar and instead Balor challenges Roman to a #1 contender's match @ Summerslam with Brock facing Strowman instead. So what do you do with these guys for Great Balls? You can't leave Balor, Roman, and Strowman off the card.

This whole thing just screams "Braun interrupts to fight Roman". Why the fuck is he coming out 2 months ahead of time? Just odd.

[Rancid_Planet]

You got it right.

It's actually halfway clever booking though. You get Roman out there ready to make a big announcement for an event thats way down the line. Because he's looking to the future. Because at the moment he has vanquished all his foes. So he gets to stand atop the mountain and look off into the distance at the next highest peak. Yep he's a man who has accomplished a lot lately. Retired the Undertaker, disposed of Braun Strowman by injuring him so badly that medical reports state he may be out of action for up to one million years.

THENBAMBRAUNSMASH!!!!! WHA WHA WHA WHA WHAAAAAAAAT?????? But he was supposed to be out for UP TO sixty cycles of planetary alignment!

It's going to be quite good actually.

[Honey_Badger]

I could totally see Roman Reigns challenging John Cena to a match at Summerslam.

The WWE tend to aim for one "big match" feel at Summerslam, with Orton versus Lesnar accomplishing that goal last year.

Cena versus Reigns would be a proper main event and it would continue to build Roman for his date with Brock at WrestleMania.

[BGMaverick]

I could totally see Roman Reigns challenging John Cena to a match at Summerslam.

The WWE tend to aim for one "big match" feel at Summerslam, with Orton versus Lesnar accomplishing that goal last year.

Cena versus Reigns would be a proper main event and it would continue to build Roman for his date with Brock at WrestleMania.

I have a feeling Angle/HHH is what the "big match" will be.

[Murphy]

I really, really wish it was Angle and somebody else.

[Honey_Badger]

Angle versus Triple H is a fine and safe match to slowly transition Angle back into the ring in WWE.

I would save his "put over a young guy" match for WrestleMania 34.

[BGMaverick]

I'm just interested to see how they're able to keep The Authority back on TV after the match with Angle if Angle does win. It seems like they want to keep them on TV whenever they can, but the trend now seems to be that they cut and run when they lose.

[Nash Diesel]

I finally watched Smackdown last night and they showed a graphic of Roman's announcement and his smug look just totally screams "This is something a bad ass looking motherfucker would do...a fucking announcement segment!!" Here's a clear example that we've all mostly agreed in, that you can't do the Hulk Hogan-John Cena bullshit with Roman Reigns. Oh he has "the look" but "the look" is not defined, and "the look" Roman has sure as fuck isn't "Hey guys I'm going to make an announcement!" Again, they are just trying to repackage John Cena and the one upside to putting Cena in a Roman Reigns suit is that if you pay attention, they don't really do the things that Cena does with Roman after the first time.

Remember that time they had both Cena AND Roman out there to talk about cancer awareness 2+ years ago? Or when they did the Tribute to the Troops and Roman cut that super good guy babyface pro-Troops promo? Or the commercial where he's having a tea party with his doctor and quoting Looney Tunes?? That kind of stuff is what made Diesel throw his fist in the air and declare "Black Gloves Only". Again, notice how they've stopped doing that shit for the most part because it just doesn't fit.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm just interested to see how they're able to keep The Authority back on TV after the match with Angle if Angle does win. It seems like they want to keep them on TV whenever they can, but the trend now seems to be that they cut and run when they lose.

ahhh yeah IF Angle wins. Triple H hasn't won a match since beating Dean Ambrose over a year ago. Even with a limited Undertaker schedule he's going to want a W. I imagine the match will be Angle v. Triple H, winner is the GM? Then maybe that's how Angle gets back to wrestling here and there. Guess it depends on if Angle is there for the long term in terms of an on-air role.

[Badger]

If only Deuce and Domino were still around. This 50's throwback PPV would've been perfect for them.

[Nash Diesel]

They could ride out in DDP's pink caddy. Or maybe Grease Lightning.

[RuneEdge]

I really, really wish it was Angle and somebody else.

I'd rather they do Angle/Trips now so that they could get it out of the way and give Angle a better match at 'Mania.

[Bill Casey]

If only Deuce and Domino were still around. This 50's throwback PPV would've been perfect for them.

Theoretically, and depending on their status, WWE could contact them for a one off...
They temporarily brought back the Headbangers and The Spirit Squad for novelty purposes...

[Jordo]

I'd rather they do Angle/Trips now so that they could get it out of the way and give Angle a better match at 'Mania.

Like? I'd love HHH/Angle but that's not really my.point. I'm just curious who we'd really want to see Angle wrestle

[Bill Casey]

The vast majority of people I'd like to see Angle wrestle are on SmackDown...


John Cena, Rusev, and "The Face of America" Kevin Owens come to mind...

[PurePlayer]

No thanks to Angle vs cena. Been there done that

[Jordo]

No thanks to Angle vs cena. Been there done that

It'd feel huge and it'd probably be pretty damn good as a match.

[Bill Casey]

No thanks to Angle vs cena. Been there done that
A decade ago back when Cena was still a rapper...

[NWo4LifeOr2Years]

Like? I'd love HHH/Angle but that's not really my.point. I'm just curious who we'd really want to see Angle wrestle

How about some little guy who is also low to the ground?

JenWo instantly says "How about AJ Styles?"
(My thoughts exactly)

then she adds "all that hair verses no hair" ��

[Bill Casey]

Styles and Angle have certainly had some great matches...
Angle and Joe as well...

[Sasori]

A decade ago back when Cena was still a rapper...

Best WWE Rap Battle. Ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83-2nsxGUEA

[Bluegunn]

There could be Roman coming on raw to issue an open challenge

[Rancid_Planet]

The vast majority of people I'd like to see Angle wrestle are on SmackDown...


John Cena, Rusev, and "The Face of America" Kevin Owens come to mind...

Angle Vs Sami would be boss.

[hitster]

I'd love to see Angle vs Naka or Angle vs Lesnar vs Joe which would be a suplexfest.

Interesting that Maria and Mike Bennett could debut. I'd have always thought Mike was more an NXT type guy and Maria didn't really wrestle much during her year with TNA. I'd assume the WWE would want Maria to be on the active roster. Also with rumours of Maria having previous heat with the Bellas, being on same roster as Bryan and Cena could be awkward.

[Nash Diesel]

I'd love to see Angle vs Naka or Angle vs Lesnar vs Joe which would be a suplexfest.

Interesting that Maria and Mike Bennett could debut. I'd have always thought Mike was more an NXT type guy and Maria didn't really wrestle much during her year with TNA. I'd assume the WWE would want Maria to be on the active roster. Also with rumours of Maria having previous heat with the Bellas, being on same roster as Bryan and Cena could be awkward.

Maria imo is the modern era Sunny. For one she doesn't wrestle. She CAN, but she's not very good and I don't think she wrestled much since leaving the WWE outside of a few matches. I think she won the Knockout championship with help. Her heat with the Bellas is probably a non-factor by now as it was something that stemmed from 4-5 years back when the Bellas were cocksucking their way back to the WWE and didn't want some of the other women brought back and join in on the cocksucking that they too were fond of.

[Bagel]

The card for this show seems like it's shaping up to be really solid. Doesn't mean much because it's RAW.

[BGMaverick]

Lesnar/Joe
Reigns/Strowman
Miz/Ambrose
Rollins/Wyatt
Sheamus and Cesaro/Hardyz
Neville/Tozawa
Balor/Samson
Whatever you do with Enzo and Cass
Goldust/Truth
Women’s tag match

Right?

They wouldn't need 2-3 of these matches, but that's how it's basically shaping up.

[Nash Diesel]

So what matches do we see NOT happening?

The only 2 that are for sure confirmed are the top 2. 10 matches total that all belong on the card somehow. 2 on the pre-show, 8 on the ppv? That would be fucking dope. But then what 2 matches go on the pre-show? They're going to have a women's match on the main show. I can see Goldust/Truth on the pre-show. If Balor wasn't so great I'd put any match with Elias on the pre-show. I guess the other would probably be Neville/Tozawa.

[BGMaverick]

I don't know if Balor/Samson gets on the card. It easily could just be something they squash next week. Then again, that would lead to Balor being held off ANOTHER card for a PPV. Whatever they're trying to do with the women's division doesn't justify a spot on the main card, but I could see it still getting there. Neville/Tozawa definitely fits as being a preshow match.

[Nash Diesel]

I just don't get the handling of Balor. Why did they kill the Balor-Wyatt stuff? Why not just include him in the mix with Wyatt and Rollins??

[Bill Casey]

I just don't get the handling of Balor. Why did they kill the Balor-Wyatt stuff? Why not just include him in the mix with Wyatt and Rollins??

Maybe they're saving it...
Demon Balor vs. Bray Wyatt would make a good event for a Summerslam or a Mania...

[PurePlayer]

Yeah Wyatt beats Rollins here and moves to Balor at Summerslam.

I expect Balor to make the card here. I am thinking 8 match show with cruiser and maybe another match on the pre show. However, they don't typically do 2 pre show matches on a non big 4.

[Bill Casey]

I expect Balor to make the card here.
It seems like they might be setting up Finn Balor vs. Elias Samson feud for the time being...
Not sure if that will get on the card or not, though...

The preliminary card is looking pretty stacked with Lesnar/Joe, Reigns/Strowman, Wyatt/Rollins, Ambrose/Miz, Tag Titles, Women's Title, Cruiserweight Title. That's already seven matches, and doesn't account for other feuds going on like Enzo/Cass and Goldust/Truth...

If Balor gets on Great Balls of Fire, it will be tight...

[PurePlayer]

I think Balor gets on the card over Goldust/Truth and cruiser to be honest.

[Nash Diesel]

They could do a stacked card, 2 on the prelims, 8 on the main but have 1 or 2 of the 8 go really quick. I get that it probably does Samson no real favors but that gimmick isn't going to take him anywhere so having Balor come out, Bruce Lee kick him into the corner followed with a Coup De Grace for the win in like a minute would be fine by me. I'm just not a fan of Samson, of all the people they bring up from NXT it's this guy. He is a little more musclar than most so maybe...eh nevermind.

[Badger]

He's not shown much in the ring. Not a big fan of his song delivery either.

There's usually concern over NXT guys being booked weak in WWE, but this is like the complete opposite. From an NXT nobody to a regular TV slot on Raw and constantly hving Ambroses's number.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm curious as to what they saw in this dude at any point in NXT that made them want to bring him up. Is it due to him having a "gimmick"? Did they feel the main roster was lacking someone with this type of hook so to speak? I mean seriously, he didn't a damn thing in NXT and I watched it consistently, to the point where I chuckled at the Ohno/Samson match, the loser leaves NXT....A guy who just returned versus a guy who wrestled maybe 4 matches in 2 years. I'll be one of the first to go to bat in defense of the whole "Vince has a type"....well in this case, I feel it's the only real explanation. The guy rarely cut any promos, he rarely wrestled, so what did they see that nobody else did? I mean he was a heel and the fucking heel commentary shit on him while Booker T is the only one who likes him and this is what he said to that..."This kid's got the look and....and...." then Michael Cole went to something else haha.

And now this guy has basically whipped on the top 2 babyfaces on Raw....

[BGMaverick]

I'm curious as to what they saw in this dude at any point in NXT that made them want to bring him up. Is it due to him having a "gimmick"? Did they feel the main roster was lacking someone with this type of hook so to speak? I mean seriously, he didn't a damn thing in NXT and I watched it consistently, to the point where I chuckled at the Ohno/Samson match, the loser leaves NXT....A guy who just returned versus a guy who wrestled maybe 4 matches in 2 years. I'll be one of the first to go to bat in defense of the whole "Vince has a type"....well in this case, I feel it's the only real explanation. The guy rarely cut any promos, he rarely wrestled, so what did they see that nobody else did? I mean he was a heel and the fucking heel commentary shit on him while Booker T is the only one who likes him and this is what he said to that..."This kid's got the look and....and...." then Michael Cole went to something else haha.

And now this guy has basically whipped on the top 2 babyfaces on Raw....

It reeks of shuffling the deck and trying something new. In reality, how many low to midcard heels were there to roll with? On top of that, how many out of that list hadn't gone through the cycle already? His character isn't that developed, but it's relatively ahead of his work in the ring, IMO. He doesn't have promos but he gets booed with his gimmick. It's also kind of humorous the disdain Jojo almost expresses when she does the intro for him.

Someone sees some value in him because it says something that the first two people he's really gone up against are two of the top faces on the brand.

[Beer-Belly]

Does anyone else find the "Samoa Joe isn't a real Samoan" shit to be obnoxious and unnecessary? Roman is supposed to be a babyface but the "you're not a real Samoan because you aren't a member of a certain family" stuff is the type of elitist thing a heel would say.

[Nash Diesel]

It reeks of shuffling the deck and trying something new. In reality, how many low to midcard heels were there to roll with? On top of that, how many out of that list hadn't gone through the cycle already? His character isn't that developed, but it's relatively ahead of his work in the ring, IMO. He doesn't have promos but he gets booed with his gimmick. It's also kind of humorous the disdain Jojo almost expresses when she does the intro for him.

Someone sees some value in him because it says something that the first two people he's really gone up against are two of the top faces on the brand.

Well I think you answered the last part with the first part.

The value might simply be that Vince or whoever is high on his look (since that's literally the only positive anyone ever says about him) and due to the lack of quality midcard heels (or heels in general) they are hotshotting him with the Ambrose and Balor stuff to make him feel more important and skilled than he really is. Nothing new.

He gets booed with his gimmick and the thing is, I don't think he's getting booed because he's doing a swell job as a heel, I think he's getting booed because this isn't 1995 and we don't Man Mountain Cofee Shop coming out and serenading the masses. Just like I'm sure if TL Hopper Jr. came out he'd get booed as well but not because people are like "Yeah fuck that plumber guy!" but more like "Ah fuck this gimmick this is stupid as fuck".

[Nash Diesel]

Does anyone else find the "Samoa Joe isn't a real Samoan" shit to be obnoxious and unnecessary? Roman is supposed to be a babyface but the "you're not a real Samoan because you aren't a member of a certain family" stuff is the type of elitist thing a heel would say.

Yeah God forbid someone didn't need to swing off the nuts of that family tree to get a job....Not shitting on everyone who has done this because obviously The Rock didn't get signed because he worked All-Japan back in 1994 haha. But I'd rather be Samoa Joe than say, Nia Jax...or Roman Reigns....gifted a job because of the connection and not because of the hardwork and dedication to this business just to get where he's at pushing 40. And yeah it makes confusing to who you're trying to get to support Roman....You want a bunch of kids to say "Oh you're the wrong white you're not New Jersey White you're that OTHER white!" What the fuck? haha.

[MMH]

Looks like I am the only one who thinks Elias Samson is pretty damned good then?

The song thing is great when he mocks the city he is in.

[Atty]

He's awesome. I just wish he kept the lucha mask. That was killer.

[Badger]

They ruined that gimmick within a week. Ìf they could've strecthed out the lucha mask gimmick, then it might've gone places.

[Bill Casey]

I think Balor gets on the card over Goldust/Truth and cruiser to be honest.
Goldust/Truth? Probably...
Cruiserweight title match? No Way...

They always have a cruiserweight match, and Neville/Tozawa is being built. It's a priority...
Balor, Miz and Ambrose didn't get on the Payback card. That card was four male singles matches, a tag match, a women's match and a cruiser match...

Balor's not guaranteed here. He *might* be there if we're lucky. It's iffy...

[Version 6]

Looks like I am the only one who thinks Elias Samson is pretty damned good then?

The song thing is great when he mocks the city he is in.

I haven't seen him on TV, but saw him at an NXT house show here in Sydney and he was fantastic.

[Atty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYAmfOHzJU

What a man.

[mth]

Samson seems to be getting pretty damn good heat for the singing thing. I assume that's a good part of why they called him up. I don't mind him so far, I think the gimmick's pretty good, I just haven't seen enough in the ring to make a judgment there.

Also, Reigns' whole promo on Monday seemed pretty damn heelish to me, so the "You're just Joe" line fit right in.

[Atty]

Joe should be above face/heel. He should just be an ass kicking machine that chokes my lovely Brocky out for the title. Then build towards something like Finn/Joe long term/for Mania.

Roman/Brock doesn't need the title and the title doesn't need to be on a talent that isn't there for a year.

[Beer-Belly]

Also, Reigns' whole promo on Monday seemed pretty damn heelish to me, so the "You're just Joe" line fit right in.

Except he's not a heel. The commentary team take turns felating him.

[Atty]

I'd be so much more likely to cheer him if he were a heel and then after his heel run.

[Andy]

Samson and Miz are the best heels in the biz right now. I want to smash Samson's stupid face in, it's great.

[PurePlayer]

Goldust/Truth? Probably...
Cruiserweight title match? No Way...

They always have a cruiserweight match, and Neville/Tozawa is being built. It's a priority...
Balor, Miz and Ambrose didn't get on the Payback card. That card was four male singles matches, a tag match, a women's match and a cruiser match...

Balor's not guaranteed here. He *might* be there if we're lucky. It's iffy...

The cruisers were just on the Mania pre show. Also, balor didn't have a ready made feud then which he does now. They also didn't want to rush miz and Ambrose into a match when they just got to raw. Balor >cruiser division if you want to talk about priorities

[Sasori]

I had to remind myself that there wasn't a PPV tonight.

[Bagel]

I had to remind myself that there wasn't a PPV tonight.

I wouldn't have been surprised to find out there was one tonight.

[Rancid_Planet]

There fucking should be.

[mth]

http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/245581/Oprah_memegenerator.jpeg
..and you get a PPV! AND YOU GET A PPV! AND YOU GET A PPV! AND YOU GET A PPV! EVERYONE GETS A PPV!
https://i1.wp.com/i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr257/breakforever/myGIFS/oprah6-1.gif

[Kneeneighbor]

I had to remind myself that there wasn't a PPV tonight.

I logged onto the boards last night to see if there was one.

[Atty]

Best WWE Rap Battle. Ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83-2nsxGUEA

That was 14 years ago. Jesus.

Their target audience wasn't even born then.

[PurePlayer]

This ppv is looking damn good. Might be one of the better cards since the split.

[mth]

I'm really stoked for this show, great line-up with potential to deliver some killer matches.

[BGMaverick]

Certainly looks like Goldust/Truth will end up on the PPV. It almost feels like Balor/Samson really doesn't need to be on this card.

[PurePlayer]

I'm thinking Goldust/Truth gets the pre show to be honest

[Bill Casey]

All true. Nothing about Roman's "situation" is his fault. All he does is the best he can with everything he's given.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z55UrEEooh8

Roman never recovered from this build up to his Rumble win...
This made the crowd hate him, and no matter how many boos he was getting, they just never turned him heel...

[Rancid_Planet]

Oh absolutely. That was when they were trying to shove Roman the Randy Orton shaped peg into a The Rock shaped hole and it was backfiring on an insane level.

They actually book him quite well now and don't ever demand things out of him that he can't or shouldnt be doing. Alas the damage is done. They managed to fuck up what should have been their new badass, silent but deadly killer face/heel and now he'll probably get a mixed reaction for the rest of his life.

[Stocky]

Is Roman vs Strowman a number one contenders match?

[Donald]

Is Roman vs Strowman a number one contenders match?

I don't think so. That would be a cool stipulation to add.

[Bluegunn]

Roman already declared himself number one contender because he can. Shame all this build to Balor vs Lesnar was for nothing

[PurePlayer]

What build did they do for Balor vs Lesnar? Just that Heyman promo?

[Nash Diesel]

I've said this a thousand times about Roman. What was the start of his demise outside of the majority of us just looking at him knew he was going to be the guy who EVENTUALLY would wind up being the favorite of the 3 and get the bigger push WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY down the road because he was still stupid green. Even when they broke up he was about 2 years way from actually being something special. But IMO, outside of that, was the fact that Rollins and Ambrose fucking stole the show night after night, they had the greatest Lumberjack match of all time, the promos were fire. Roman didn't have a chance and again, another part of his demise was that the majority of fans had an idea that he would be the one who would wind up getting the bigger push but months of nonsense like his shit promos, subpar wrestling, gifting him Superstar of the Year, and then the Rumble win with calling in The Rock was just the nail in the fucking coffin. From that moment, he was never going to be truly accepted. When you do some blatant shit like call up The Rock to try and soften the heat, yeah just a bad decision.

And they keep making bad decisions with him. LISTEN. TO. THE. CROWD. For fuck's sake.

[PurePlayer]

Him winning superstar of the year, keeping the shield theme, attire, entrance, and Ambrose/Rollins having a badass feud while Roman still moves higher up on the card are all factors. It would be like if DX broke up and HHH was still coming out to the DX entrance and DX shirt.

[Nash Diesel]

I can see why people don't give a shit if Roman wins or loses this match with Braun based solely on the fact that a lot of fans are just conditioned to be fans of the product because it's "WWE" or "wrestling". So we just deal that shit.

[Bill Casey]

Him winning superstar of the year, keeping the shield theme, attire, entrance, and Ambrose/Rollins having a badass feud while Roman still moves higher up on the card are all factors. It would be like if DX broke up and HHH was still coming out to the DX entrance and DX shirt.
lol Nope...
Superstar of the year is fan voted...
Roman winning superstar of the year is an indication of what they pissed away...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QaFpmX0uCU

You'll notice the lack of boos...
The crowd was with him until this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z55UrEEooh8

[Nash Diesel]

There is no way anyone believes that he legit won Superstar of the Year over Daniel Bryan. John Cena was also on that list.

[Bill Casey]

There is no way anyone believes that he legit won Superstar of the Year over Daniel Bryan. John Cena was also on that list.

Vince is dead serious on fan votes. He gets incredibly angry if someone in the back suggests rigging them...
Daniel Bryan won Superstar of the Year 2013. He spent most of 2014 injured...

[Nash Diesel]

Vince is dead serious on fan votes. He gets incredibly angry if someone in the back suggests rigging them...
Daniel Bryan won Superstar of the Year 2013. He spent most of 2014 injured...

He was still more over and did more important shit in 2014 than Roman did.

Obviously neither one of us know FOR SURE if that stuff is rigged because neither one of us have any real proof. Usually I say this is a cop out, but agree to disagree on whether it was legit because me personally, I think they rig most of the results. Kind of funny the guy they're trying to get over as the next big thing wins Superstar of the Year for what? Eliminating 10 dudes in the Rumble, having shit matches, and giving shit promos? You said "Notice the lack of boos" Dude, notice the lack of anyone giving a flying fuck and just looking in shock he won. You heard a couple chicks scream, maybe a little kid who's nuts haven't dropped, but they pan to the crowd right after the announcment....nobodies really cheering, just the deer in the headlights look like, how the fuck did this guy win?

[Bill Casey]

Daniel Bryan had a pretty shitty feud with Kane (Booking's fault) while Evolution and the Shield were killing it...

[Nash Diesel]

Daniel Bryan had a pretty shitty feud with Kane (Booking's fault) while Evolution and the Shield were killing it...

But Daniel Bryan also had a great feud with Bray Wyatt and "Evolution" and he did it all by himself whereas Roman had Ambrose and Rollins, who IMO had a much much better year than Roman did. They had the best feud of the year imo. What did Roman do post Shield? Boring ass feud with Randy Orton and got hurt....

Again, you said "notice the lack of boos" to which I say, notice the lack of anything. Nobody cared. It was another slight on Daniel Bryan. He should have won it again imo. What Bryan did the first 4-5 months of 2014 was better than the what, 2 extra months Reigns had over him before Reigns too was injured for 2-3 months? It was one of the earlier signs that Roman was being positioned a certain way and what better way than to award him Superstar of the Year over so many others that did a lot more. CM PUNK had a better 2014 than Roman.

[Bill Casey]

Dave Meltzer said it was legit...


Reigns was the surprise winner of what was legitimate voting, beating out John Cena and Daniel Bryan, who would have been favored to win. The surprise is that Reigns has been off television for the most part for a couple of months, and in the graphic for the award balloting on the web site, it was clearly designed to get people to vote for either Cena, Dean Ambrose or Bryan. The positive is that it shows that at least to their voting audience, the strong Reigns push after The Shield break-up was working. The plan has been, since WrestleMania, for Brock Lesnar to be champion and lose it to Reigns at the upcoming WrestleMania, with the only questions being the handling of Lesnar’s contract negotiations and if Reigns wasn’t to get over. He also beat Ambrose, who was his main competition for the top non-Cena babyface spot in the company. Those also nominated were Lesnar, Bray Wyatt and Seth Rollins. Reigns was there and said he was going to the top, and if that means beating Cena, Lesnar, Rock or Mr. McMahon, he’ll do that.

[Nash Diesel]

Dave Meltzer says a lot of things are legit and then the next week says they're not. Love the guy, but you can't use him as a gospel reference. Doesn't matter anyway, he still won, and he's gone downhill ever since.

[Bill Casey]

Former WWE Writer Kevin Eck says fan voting was legitimate and Vince would shoot down any suggestion to rig the voting...
He's also not afraid to be critical of WWE and said he stole things from Vince's office...

[Nash Diesel]

Former WWE Writer Kevin Eck says fan voting was legitimate and Vince would shoot down any suggestion to rig the voting...
He's also not afraid to be critical of WWE and said he stole things from Vince's office...

Oh I'm not saying that every single time they do fan voting it's rigged. I'm saying that in this case, and several others for sure, they rigged the results. How the fuck would Kevin Eck know he wasn't even there when Roman won.

[chatty]

I like fan voting when they do something like John Cena will face Kane in:
A - Street Fight
B - Falls Count Anywhere
C - No DQ

Pretty much all the same match (I know there is some actual differences to the rules but in effect its the same match).

[Bill Casey]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5A3xxaCQAAfnu-.jpg

[Bluegunn]

I admit I miss taboo Tuesday and cyber Sunday. Usually you know what you getting. Then every now and then you get the unpredicted. Like Kane and snitsky hitting each other with a pipe and the result is a steel chain match

[Rancid_Planet]

I miss Edge saying Taboo Tuesday.

Tabootuday.

[greebull]

The WWE App just confirmed Big Cass vs Enzo Amore is official for Sunday.

[Atty]

Enzo/Cass should look like this, with face/heel reversed.

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/the-avengers-angry-hulk-smash-loki.gif

[greebull]

Wow, pretty surprised they're doing a 30-Minute Iron Man Tag Team match, plus 7 other matches on the same show.. That pretty much guarantees that a couple of these matches will be real quick (under 5 minutes)... unless they move 1 to the pre show.. but I think that's reserved for Goldust vs Truth...

This will also be the first ever Tag Team Iron Man match, right?

[Bill Casey]

Wow, pretty surprised they're doing a 30-Minute Iron Man Tag Team match, plus 7 other matches on the same show.. That pretty much guarantees that a couple of these matches will be real quick (under 5 minutes)... unless they move 1 to the pre show.. but I think that's reserved for Goldust vs Truth...
Looks like Neville/Tozawa has been moved to the kickoff show, and Goldust/Truth has been moved to "we really should have done that one at Extreme Rules when we had room"


This will also be the first ever Tag Team Iron Man match, right?

In WWE's version of ECW, MnM fought Shannon Moore and Jimmy Wang Yang in a fifteen minute Iron Man match...

[Geo85]

Sasha vs Alexa ... Bayley Heel Turn?

[PurePlayer]

Looks like Neville/Tozawa has been moved to the kickoff show, and Goldust/Truth has been moved to "we really should have done that one at Extreme Rules when we had room"



In WWE's version of ECW, MnM fought Shannon Moore and Jimmy Wang Yang in a fifteen minute Iron Man match...

i remember when you said they would never move the cruisers to the pre show.....

[Sasori]

Sasha vs Alexa ... Bayley Heel Turn?

If Bayley turns heel, Vince will have completely lost his mind.

[Bill Casey]

i remember when you said they would never move the cruisers to the pre show.....

I remember when I never said they wouldn't be on the kickoff show...
The Cruiserweight title match is at Great Balls of Fire...
Balor/Samson is not...

I'm a bit taken aback by you reaction to the situation, because I tried to warn you about Finn Balor, and I was right...
Cruiserweights are a priority. They got a spot above Balor/Samson...

[Bill Casey]

...

It seems like they might be setting up Finn Balor vs. Elias Samson feud for the time being...
Not sure if that will get on the card or not, though...

The preliminary card is looking pretty stacked with Lesnar/Joe, Reigns/Strowman, Wyatt/Rollins, Ambrose/Miz, Tag Titles, Women's Title, Cruiserweight Title. That's already seven matches, and doesn't account for other feuds going on like Enzo/Cass and Goldust/Truth...

If Balor gets on Great Balls of Fire, it will be tight...


I think Balor gets on the card over Goldust/Truth and cruiser to be honest.


Goldust/Truth? Probably...
Cruiserweight title match? No Way...

They always have a cruiserweight match, and Neville/Tozawa is being built. It's a priority...
Balor, Miz and Ambrose didn't get on the Payback card. That card was four male singles matches, a tag match, a women's match and a cruiser match...

Balor's not guaranteed here. He *might* be there if we're lucky. It's iffy...


The cruisers were just on the Mania pre show. Also, balor didn't have a ready made feud then which he does now. They also didn't want to rush miz and Ambrose into a match when they just got to raw. Balor >cruiser division if you want to talk about priorities

[PurePlayer]

I remember when I never said they wouldn't be on the kickoff show...
The Cruiserweight title match is at Great Balls of Fire...
Balor/Samson is not...

I'm a bit taken aback by you reaction to the situation, because I tried to warn you about Finn Balor, and I was right...
Cruiserweights are a priority. They got a spot above Balor/Samson...

If you want to consider the pre show match as part of the card for great balls of fire go right ahead. But we all know when you play the show on the network that it's not part of the show. Don't try that stunt with me. I was absolutely wrong about balor though

[Bill Casey]

I tried to tell you...

[Nash Diesel]

Damn shame that Balor has been cleared since before Mania and he's only had 1 match on ppv since....

[PurePlayer]

I think they should have held off going with Enzo vs Cass until Summerslam.

[Honey_Badger]

Damn shame that Balor has been cleared since before Mania and he's only had 1 match on ppv since....

Agreed.

Rumor has it they have big plans for Balor, but he doesn't fit into their current story line, so they're pumping the brakes a bit. We shall see.


I think they should have held off going with Enzo vs Cass until Summerslam.

Yep.

[Nash Diesel]

Hindsight being 20/20 they probably should have just done Balor/Hardyz v. Samson/Sheamus/Cesaro at the ppv or maybe Enzo/Banks v. Cass/Bliss. I honestly don't see Enzo/Cass being that much of anything outside of Enzo getting some offense and then Cass just beating him pillar to post for a few more minutes before the ref calls the match due to Cass beating down Enzo after the 5 count. Enzo wins by DQ, but then Cass gets the future pinfall win and moves on. I will say this, Enzo's promo on Monday was fucking killer and it was a little Daniel Bryan-ish with the whole #grateful thing but it was fire.

[Murphy]

I know it's early days and we'll see what happens, but I've been convinced all along that Balor would be very poorly used on the main roster.

I've not seen Raw in about 6 weeks now, but it seems that, barring his first few weeks before the injury, he's done barely fuck all.

[Nash Diesel]

Not really a fan of what they've been doing with Balor, Wyatt, and Rollins. I think those 3 should be feuding with each other. They were teasing Wyatt-Balor then just randomly switched and now Balor's fucking with Elias. And I get Elias needs something, but here's the thing: Elias blows. He should still be in NXT. Why is Drew Galloway in NXT? He should be feuding with Balor, plain and simple. Galloway is a young beast.

[Faith Orton]

The child in me admittedly giggles each time i hear the wrestlers etc say "Great Bals of Fire"

[PurePlayer]

They want NXT to be a 3rd touring brand so they need big names there as well. Samson is a fine midcard heel. he actually gets heat. Saying he blows is a little bit of an overreaction. Why does he blow exactly?

[PurePlayer]

Samson is better than your boy Aiden English :)

[Nash Diesel]

They want NXT to be a 3rd touring brand so they need big names there as well. Samson is a fine midcard heel. he actually gets heat. Saying he blows is a little bit of an overreaction. Why does he blow exactly?

What makes him good? Everytime he's out there it's not like there are these deafening boo's. You get a spatter of booing and the rest is silence, because who actually cares about this gimmick enough to even boo it? It's garbage. And I'll say this, not every gimmick that gets booed is exactly a positive. TL Hopper was booed, so was The Goon, look at the record shattering numbers they produced said no one. Samson is basic as basic can be and that's not a positive when this is 2017 and not 1975. I respect that whole "3rd touring brand" stuff but it's still developmental unless they opened up a new developmental system none of us are aware of. Samson should still be in NXT. A guy like Galloway, regardless of the level his name has or doesn't have, should be on the main roster. Anyone who looks at Elias Samson and thinks that is a much better option than Drew Galloway is mad.

Let's face it....NXT is at a point now where the BRAND and not necessarily the roster are going to be drawing fans from now on.


Samson is better than your boy Aiden English :)

Doubtful but none of these jobbers are "my boys".

[PurePlayer]

What makes him good? Everytime he's out there it's not like there are these deafening boo's. You get a spatter of booing and the rest is silence, because who actually cares about this gimmick enough to even boo it? It's garbage. And I'll say this, not every gimmick that gets booed is exactly a positive. TL Hopper was booed, so was The Goon, look at the record shattering numbers they produced said no one. Samson is basic as basic can be and that's not a positive when this is 2017 and not 1975. I respect that whole "3rd touring brand" stuff but it's still developmental unless they opened up a new developmental system none of us are aware of. Samson should still be in NXT. A guy like Galloway, regardless of the level his name has or doesn't have, should be on the main roster. Anyone who looks at Elias Samson and thinks that is a much better option than Drew Galloway is mad.

Let's face it....NXT is at a point now where the BRAND and not necessarily the roster are going to be drawing fans from now on.


Oh so you have a audio feed in the crowd to know how many boos it is and who is booing? Seems pretty loud to me. Getting booed is a positive. TL Hopper and the Goon got just as much heat huh? Seriously some of these posts you make are asinine.

Samson gets heat, has a decent gimmick for a midcarder and he has held his own in the ring so far with some pretty big names. So when Bo Dallas was on the main roster over Nakamura or Balor where were you? You do realize that's how it has always worked right?

I somewhat agree with that last part but you still need SOME names.

[Nash Diesel]

Bo Dallas was also in NXT for like 2 years wasn't he? Elias had 3 matches and lost all but 1 and then wound up on the main roster for no reason. Bo Dallas is much better than Samson. And guess what slick? Bo Dallas was already on the main roster before either of those 2 were even in the WWE! What kind of comparison is that? You know what I was doing though last year, going why the fuck is Corbin, Carmella, Nia, and Alexa Bliss on the main roster and the likes of Joe, Balor, Nakamura, Asuka, and Bayley were in NXT. I understood WHY they were, but it still didn't make it a smart thing or the right thing.

I have an audio feed linked up to every seat in the house that dials me right in with every fan to hear them and yeah, I've found that every live event, Samson averages about 13 people a night that acknowledge him. Solid heel.

[Peter Griffin]

I think he doesn't understand filling out a roster if he thinks Galloway of 2017 and Samson were up for the same spot :lol:

[Peter Griffin]

I have an audio feed linked up to every seat in the house that dials me right in with every fan to hear them and yeah, I've found that every live event, Samson averages about 13 people a night that acknowledge him. Solid heel.

:wtf:

[PurePlayer]

The funny part is, I just threw a random name out there slick. You can use pretty much anyone that's called up from NXT while a main eventer is still there. You basically made my point in your post.

[PurePlayer]

I think he doesn't understand filling out a roster if he thinks Galloway of 2017 and Samson were up for the same spot :lol:

exactly.

[Faith Orton]

So if Sasha wins the belt yet again is she gonna get a decent reign or not

[PurePlayer]

So if Sasha wins the belt yet again is she gonna get a decent reign or not


I would bet a lot that she won't be winning here.

[Nash Diesel]

I think he doesn't understand filling out a roster if he thinks Galloway of 2017 and Samson were up for the same spot :lol:

Honestly thought you were gone from the site as I haven't really noticed you lately so good to hear you are actually not gone.

With that said.....

I completely understand the whole "NXT=3rd touring brand". I literally said that in an earlier post. But it still doesn't change that it's developmental and this where it goes back to Elias...Elias is not that good. He should have stayed in NXT and developed more. I'm saying me personally, if I were the WWE, I wouldn't have even had Galloway come to NXT and just shoot him straight to the main roster just like they did AJ Styles, Gallows, and Anderson. If they were going to bring back Jinder and Curt Hawkins and have them skip NXT, same with Shelton Benjamin who IMO is a bigger name than Drew Galloway....then why not put Drew on the main roster which needs someone like Galloway more than Samson IMO. So it's not about me being clueless or not "understanding", it's about personal preference.


The funny part is, I just threw a random name out there slick. You can use pretty much anyone that's called up from NXT while a main eventer is still there. You basically made my point in your post.

Don't get testy by repeating my "slick" comment. Yeah, I made MY point, that it's all about personal preference. I understand the idea, doesn't mean it's always the right one.


exactly.

Exactly what? See post above, and the post prior.

[PurePlayer]

Honestly thought you were gone from the site as I haven't really noticed you lately so good to hear you are actually not gone.

With that said.....

I completely understand the whole "NXT=3rd touring brand". I literally said that in an earlier post. But it still doesn't change that it's developmental and this where it goes back to Elias...Elias is not that good. He should have stayed in NXT and developed more. I'm saying me personally, if I were the WWE, I wouldn't have even had Galloway come to NXT and just shoot him straight to the main roster just like they did AJ Styles, Gallows, and Anderson. If they were going to bring back Jinder and Curt Hawkins and have them skip NXT, same with Shelton Benjamin who IMO is a bigger name than Drew Galloway....then why not put Drew on the main roster which needs someone like Galloway more than Samson IMO. So it's not about me being clueless or not "understanding", it's about personal preference.


Don't get testy by repeating my "slick" comment. Yeah, I made MY point, that it's all about personal preference. I understand the idea, doesn't mean it's always the right one.


It is a case by case basis. However, if the WWE wants to bring someone up they think is ready with a gimmick they know will get heat in the midcard then it makes sense to bring him up over someone that is 100% ready like a Bobby Roode. They know they want Roode main eventing but they don't want him up yet because they need to find the next guy to take his spot in NXT and/or they want to wait for the right time for him to get called up.

[Nash Diesel]

It is a case by case basis. However, if the WWE wants to bring someone up they think is ready with a gimmick they know will get heat in the midcard then it makes sense to bring him up over someone that is 100% ready like a Bobby Roode. They know they want Roode main eventing but they don't want him up yet because they need to find the next guy to take his spot in NXT and/or they want to wait for the right time for him to get called up.

I agree. Case by case basis, which also means that not every decision they make is the best decision for every fan's personal preference.

Elias does zero for me. And again, I don't need to link up audio to every fan's chair to watch Raw and go "Ok, where's this good heat my boy PP keeps talking about?" The only vibe I'm getting is "Why is Balor fucking with Samson?" Balor is not a guy to try and have some subpar dude get a rub off of. Have Samson work with Titus or someone like that, not someone who's in the top tier of most over wrestlers in the company.

[PurePlayer]

I 100% that Balor should be doing way more. I really do hope he gets a big angle for Summerslam.

[Nash Diesel]

I 100% that Balor should be doing way more. I really do hope he gets a big angle for Summerslam.

oh yeah I'm sure in Vince's eyes his big angle will be against Elias Samson.

Seriously....listen to the commentary about Elias. When the HEEL is shitting on the HEEL, there's something wrong with that dynamic. And Corey's been shitting on Elias since NXT. They can't really talk him up, they pop over his muscles...what year is this? But hey, he obviously does something for you as a fan.

I think what really really bothers me is that Balor went from doing something that could have been pretty epic with Bray Wyatt to doing something that doesn't matter with Elias Samson. It'd be like Warrior going from a possible feud with Papa Shango one minute, to a feud with newcomer TL Hopper the next. Yeah I'm going to shit all over the plumber haha. This is a good example of when the roster split does show it's downside in terms of Raw being way too top heavy to the point where the midcard is non-existent. Look at Smackdown....You know a good feud for Samson would have been with a guy like Luke Harper. Not a top tier player, midcard at best for the time being, it wouldn't look like such a step down for Harper as it does for Balor. Raw doesn't have a midcard to my knowledge. I refuse to consider Balor a midcarder, he's a guy that's wrestling a lower card guy which maybe sinks him down a little but still, he's a top guy imo.

[Peter Griffin]

But if Drew was bought into Elias's position you would be going mental. That's the point, Everyone has a purpose even the 'jobbers'.

Now as for why I haven't been around as much, I have been on holiday, I needed to get away from your incessant bollocks for a week or so.

[Spedizzo]

Elias looks cool as shit and I think can be good on the mic

I don't think I have paid attention to a single one of his matches though

[Nash Diesel]

But if Drew was bought into Elias's position you would be going mental. That's the point, Everyone has a purpose even the 'jobbers'.

Now as for why I haven't been around as much, I have been on holiday, I needed to get away from your incessant bollocks for a week or so.

From MY incessant bollocks? That's always a good one PG, much love to my people in Derbyshire btw.

Also, if you had bothered to read anything other than trying to be a piss poor shit talker like you always have been...You would see that I WANT Drew Galloway in the Samson spot. Working with Finn Balor is a negative to you? What kind of vacation did you take? The same one you always do where Kevin Dunn flies you and the rest of the WWE sheeple to his private basement Michael Jackson designed for him?

[Nash Diesel]

Elias looks cool as shit and I think can be good on the mic

I don't think I have paid attention to a single one of his matches though

So basically once again, the only positive is his look.

You're not the only one who hasn't paid attention to any of his matches. It always seems like every week is his debut. The crowd always has this "Who is he again?" vibe.

[PurePlayer]

Raw's midcard consists of Apollo Crews and Kalisto. Now you can add Enzo and Cass in there. I guess Dean and Miz are technically midcard for now.

Smackdown you have guys like Rowan, Harper, Mike Bennett, Dillinger, Zayn, and Ziggler in the midcard scene. While you got Styles, Owens, Orton, Cena, Mahal, Nakamura, Corbin, and hopefully Rusev now in the main event scene. It's a good mix on that show.

[PurePlayer]

So basically once again, the only positive is his look.

You're not the only one who hasn't paid attention to any of his matches. It always seems like every week is his debut. The crowd always has this "Who is he again?" vibe.

disagree. I think his gimmick is good and he has held his own in matches with top guys like Balor, Ambrose, and the Hardyz.

[Nash Diesel]

Raw's midcard consists of Apollo Crews and Kalisto. Now you can add Enzo and Cass in there. I guess Dean and Miz are technically midcard for now.

Smackdown you have guys like Rowan, Harper, Mike Bennett, Dillinger, Zayn, and Ziggler in the midcard scene. While you guy Styles, Owens, Orton, Cena, Mahal, Nakamura, Corbin, and hopefully Rusev now in the main event scene. It's a good mix on that show.

Ah yeah Enzo and Cass is actually a plus for the midcard. Pretty sad a guy like Ambrose is basically in that modern day Jericho role where one day he could be World champion, the next he can barely beat Elias Samson.... :)

You know, that Smackdown main event scene looks great until you had to include Jinder.

[Spedizzo]

I watched Smackdown for the first time in literally forever yesterday and I forgot how many great stars they have on the show

Nakamura, AJ Styles (them two win it by default), Rusev, Cena, The Usos, New Day, Orton, Jinder Mahall who they are building up, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayne, it goes on...

then on Raw I feel like it just switches between Miz, Roman Reigns, Braun, and then Lesnar/Samoa Joe when Lesnar decides he can be assed to make an appearance. It is 3 hours longer and they have lesser stars, I fast forward through 90% of it. Even the segments on Smackdown just seem better and funnier (like the rap battle from last night vs what we usually get on RAW), or the introduction of Maria and her new lover

Smackdown is in a way better situation than RAW at the moment. RAW is pretty shit

[PurePlayer]

Ah yeah Enzo and Cass is actually a plus for the midcard. Pretty sad a guy like Ambrose is basically in that modern day Jericho role where one day he could be World champion, the next he can barely beat Elias Samson.... :)

You know, that Smackdown main event scene looks great until you had to include Jinder.


Mahal is a main eventer whether you like it or not :)

Oh and you can add Goldust and Truth to Raw's midcard scene.

[Nash Diesel]

Mahal is a main eventer whether you like it or not :)

Oh and you can add Goldust and Truth to Raw's midcard scene.

Maven main evented a few times as well. *Mic Drop* *Bodybagged* *Teabagged*

[PurePlayer]

Oh did Maven win the WWE title and main evented ppv's in singles matches? How many times was he the last match on a ppv that wasn't Survivor Series 2004 in a multi man match.

Mic Drop* *Bodybagged* *Teabagged*

[Peter Griffin]

Player 10000000000000000000000 Nash -100000000000000000000000000000

[Nash Diesel]

Oh did Maven win the WWE title and main evented ppv's in singles matches? How many times was he the last match on a ppv that wasn't Survivor Series 2004 in a multi man match.

Mic Drop* *Bodybagged* *Teabagged*

No but Jack Swagger did

*Mic Drop*
*Bodybagged*
*Teabagged*
*AmericanFlagged*

[PurePlayer]

What ppv main events was Jack Swagger in. Serious question because I can't think of one.

[Nash Diesel]

What ppv main events was Jack Swagger in. Serious question because I can't think of one.

I don't know ask Donald.

Nash Diesel +9000
PurePlayer -900 (simply because PG keeps endorsing you killing your stock)

[PurePlayer]

Lol wow only -900? Just kidding PG.

Anyway, i looked up the ppvs after Swagger won the title and he didn't main event one. He does get a slight disadvantage because there wasn't a brand split when he won the title but then again the world title was basically a midcard title during that time.

[Nash Diesel]

Jinder's lucky he's "main eventing" in an era where we are seriously stretching the term "pay per view". What were the domestic pay per view buys for Backlash? 6? 7? Like I said, they've set the bar so low to make Jinder Mahal look on par with actual main event talent it's ruined the product. There's something to be said about talent like Nakamura, AJ Styles, and Kevin Owens working underneath a guy who less than 3 months ago couldn't even beat David Arquette.

[PurePlayer]

What does ppv buys have to do with anything though? It's the network era now. PPV buys don't mean shit. Not sure if that is the point you are trying to make?

[Nash Diesel]

What does ppv buys have to do with anything though? It's the network era now. PPV buys don't mean shit. Not sure if that is the point you are trying to make?

Just another example of how they can set the bar low enough without having to truly worry about anything other than making themselves look like shit. Which is so fucking crazy, as pitiful as the overall product comes across, they're still making money lol. A lot of it. But they should be when they have 700 different things going on whereas back when the product was consistently good, consistently getting great ratings, house show attendance, they didn't have to have all of that other shit going on, they just had to worry about what matters most, the product they put on t.v.

[Peter Griffin]

Lol wow only -900? Just kidding PG.

Anyway, i looked up the ppvs after Swagger won the title and he didn't main event one. He does get a slight disadvantage because there wasn't a brand split when he won the title but then again the world title was basically a midcard title during that time.

Meh, I take comfort in knowing no matter how bad I am I will never be Nash/Rom/Lotjx

[Nash Diesel]

Meh, I take comfort in knowing no matter how bad I am I will never be Nash/Rom/Lotjx

Quit derailing threads with your hate.

I must be not be that bad considering my record is spotless and you've been banned countless times. Like I've said, you're the nerd off in the distance thinking you're part of the cool crowd and they just look back at you everytime you talk and hand you their homework and dirty laundry to get done for them. Now...if this is all you came to do PG, we can take this to the PM's because God knows you don't need another vacation from this place that isn't your choosing.

[Honey_Badger]

Who is Rom?

[Nash Diesel]

Who is Rom?

Romford Pele. Peter Griffin is delusional, he's the inmate who thinks he's the only one innocent.

[Peter Griffin]

Agashsahshashashashahsahsa shows how much you know, I am referring to Rom8378 or whatever numbers, One of only 2 or 3 wrestling posters stopping your ass dragging the bottom of the pile.

[Nash Diesel]

Agashsahshashashashahsahsa shows how much you know, I am referring to Rom8378 or whatever numbers, One of only 2 or 3 wrestling posters stopping your ass dragging the bottom of the pile.

Aga;dkljfa;8j48fj-a4f4ja-fj4f, I don't speak delusional human so can you translate that first part?

Again, if I'm such a terrible poster, why have you been banned like 23 times in the last 12 months, 99% due to your posts in the wrestling forum, and I'm sitting here with 2 infractions over a 5 year period with 1 ban in maybe 10 that I've actually been a member. You've been banned more times than Rom8378 has posted in his entire Rajah life, almost all due to the way you conduct yourself in the wrestling forum. You're delusional PG, honestly if Mark Hammer would calm himself and shut up for a few minutes you'd go back to being the most disrespected joke of a poster this site has ever had. The proof is in the blood pudding.

[Honey_Badger]

4 years, no bans or infractions.

:headbang:

That said, I dislike confrontation, so that probably plays heavily into it.

[Nash Diesel]

4 years, no bans or infractions.

:headbang:

That said, I dislike confrontation, so that probably plays heavily into it.

Just don't around telling people to suck your white dick.

[Peter Griffin]

You are full of shite, I get banned for flying off the handle, As best I know you can't get banned for having ridiculous, non nonsensical, Non logical, Moronic opinions on wrestling otherwise you would have been perma-banned years ago.

[Peter Griffin]

Anyway you are starting to shake my nerves and rattle my brain, So I shall reconvene in this thread Sunday evening :wave:

[Nash Diesel]

You are full of shite, I get banned for flying off the handle, As best I know you can't get banned for having ridiculous, non nonsensical, Non logical, Moronic opinions on wrestling otherwise you would have been perma-banned years ago.

Have you by chance paid attention to the posts you generally make about wrestling? ;fj84pjfa48fj4pa48jf is not an opinion. You get banned because you suck, plain and simple, no colorful insult needed, you just flat out suck and you serve the sole purpose of being a punchline for when others are bored to death. Like I said, if Mizzark Hammer would calm down you'd go right back to being the period blood stain you were meant to be. Notice how you didn't contribute shit in this thread today? Prime example of your contributions to discussions about wrestling.

Sunday evening I'm sure it'll be a lot of trolling and weird a;f89ja4f89j4-fj comments, can't wait!

Side note, back on topic, does anyone see Ambrose winning the IC title this Sunday? It's almost like the addition of the Miz-tourage has extended this feud's stay as I felt it was dragging ass for awhile. But I'm back into it. Kind of old hearing this quasi-shoot stuff from Miz about how lazy Ambrose apparently is (Did the Stone Cold podcast kill this guy's career? Apparently).

[Sasori]

I will say this, Enzo's promo on Monday was fucking killer and it was a little Daniel Bryan-ish with the whole #grateful thing but it was fire.

Meltzer made a good point about Enzo's promo. He said that opening spot is usually reserved for promoting a big match which Enzo vs. Cass really isn't. It could mean they see potential in Enzo and want to see how he handles himself. Enzo sold the hell out of this match and got me way more interested in it than I was before.


Samson is better than your boy Aiden English :)

These two should really be a Tag Team. Merge their musical gimmicks together and it could be brilliant. English talks and does most of the work in the ring and Samson comes in as the powerhouse to make the pin.


Seriously....listen to the commentary about Elias. When the HEEL is shitting on the HEEL, there's something wrong with that dynamic. And Corey's been shitting on Elias since NXT. They can't really talk him up, they pop over his muscles...what year is this? But hey, he obviously does something for you as a fan.


The era of the body was supposed to be over, but now we're seeing muscular guys getting big pushes again (Jinder, Samson). I don't know what changed.


Who is Rom?

He's a Space Knight


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[Atty]

Who is Rom?

He's the Grand Nagus. Show respect!

[Bagel]

They've done a great job of building up most matches or feuds but I see a few that will need more time to continue. I hope one of those is Joe and Lesnar, or Joe gets the belt. The response to these two so far doesn't feel like one PPV match would be enough. Hell, we're getting #3 of Jinder and Randy and that's dogshit compared to this.

[Nash Diesel]

To get Balor on the card, I would have put Goldust and Truth on the pre-show, bumped the CW match to open, and have Balor squash Elias in a minute right before the main event to get everyone even more hyped.

[BGMaverick]

To get Balor on the card, I would have put Goldust and Truth on the pre-show, bumped the CW match to open, and have Balor squash Elias in a minute right before the main event to get everyone even more hyped.

Depending on what the end game is, I don't mind having Balor off this card. The feud isn't doing anything for him, so it doesn't really need a payoff. It's quite clear he's just the odd man out right now in the cycle deal with the guys at the top of the card.

[PurePlayer]

To get Balor on the card, I would have put Goldust and Truth on the pre-show, bumped the CW match to open, and have Balor squash Elias in a minute right before the main event to get everyone even more hyped.


I think they should have replaced Enzo vs Cass with Balor vs Samson. I feel like it would have been a bigger deal to hold off their first singles match until Summerslam with it being in Brooklyn and all.

[Nash Diesel]

Depending on what the end game is, I don't mind having Balor off this card. The feud isn't doing anything for him, so it doesn't really need a payoff. It's quite clear he's just the odd man out right now in the cycle deal with the guys at the top of the card.

I guess it's hard for this 35 yr old fan to shake off that the ppv aspect of wrestling is a non-factor. I just look at the fact Balor will have been left off 3 out of the last 4 ppvs he could have wrestled on. Mania, Payback, now GBOF. Why? But even if part of me thinks people don't care as much about a wrestler being on a "ppv", the other part of me thinks maybe fans do go "Why isn't Balor on this big show if he's supposed to be a big deal? Why is R-Truth on the card but Balor isn't?" Even if we take away the ppv aspect, how about the draw of the show? The last SD ppv, once the card was finalized, ticket sales stopped. They couldn't even sell out CHICAGO!! That's sad. They shouldn't have any issue selling out this place with Lesnar on the marquee but still, stack it up when you're a stacked roster.

[Nash Diesel]

I think they should have replaced Enzo vs Cass with Balor vs Samson. I feel like it would have been a bigger deal to hold off their first singles match until Summerslam with it being in Brooklyn and all.

I respect that booking. Probably would have been better to hold off on the heel turn until after GBOF. The reveal could have been done on the show or the following night on Raw. I would actually have left off Truth and Goldust. Have them do a gimmick match on Raw, Hollywood Street Fight haha.

[Bagel]

I think they should have replaced Enzo vs Cass with Balor vs Samson. I feel like it would have been a bigger deal to hold off their first singles match until Summerslam with it being in Brooklyn and all.

This is what I was thinking too. Those two, in Brooklyn, Cass should heel it up and it would be the right thing to do. Take Enzo off TV for a little, let Big Show get involved and be his new sidekick.

[BGMaverick]

I guess it's hard for this 35 yr old fan to shake off that the ppv aspect of wrestling is a non-factor. I just look at the fact Balor will have been left off 3 out of the last 4 ppvs he could have wrestled on. Mania, Payback, now GBOF. Why? But even if part of me thinks people don't care as much about a wrestler being on a "ppv", the other part of me thinks maybe fans do go "Why isn't Balor on this big show if he's supposed to be a big deal? Why is R-Truth on the card but Balor isn't?" Even if we take away the ppv aspect, how about the draw of the show? The last SD ppv, once the card was finalized, ticket sales stopped. They couldn't even sell out CHICAGO!! That's sad. They shouldn't have any issue selling out this place with Lesnar on the marquee but still, stack it up when you're a stacked roster.

Who out of the guys on the top of the card was left for Finn to tangle with?

I don't really have a problem with him being off the card because these PPVs that aren't the big ones clearly are having a hard time building into something bigger because there's another one from the other brand right around the corner. They're just always there. I would have an issue if he were missing Mania, then they had nothing for him at Summerslam.

[Nash Diesel]

It's just sad to me that no matter how progressive a lot of fans pretend to be, they're still writing off Enzo's future because of his size. Can't say I blame them, the WWE are still stuck in the 80's with that approach no matter how much times have changed.

[PurePlayer]

Well they didn't exactly give us any reason to think they would push Enzo as a singles guy. He was always the guy to take the fall and rarely win as a tag team.

[BGMaverick]

It's just sad to me that no matter how progressive a lot of fans pretend to be, they're still writing off Enzo's future because of his size. Can't say I blame them, the WWE are still stuck in the 80's with that approach no matter how much times have changed.

For me, it's not his size. For me, based on how they present him, he's booked as fodder in the ring. He's the punching bag.

[Bagel]

It's just sad to me that no matter how progressive a lot of fans pretend to be, they're still writing off Enzo's future because of his size. Can't say I blame them, the WWE are still stuck in the 80's with that approach no matter how much times have changed.

I think both will look OK coming out of this; but there's more risk in running with Cass as a singles guy. Like when they separated the Dudleys years ago and neither guy really amounted to shit in singles until Bully Ray happened. They could've easily dragged this out to SummerSlam and break them up then.

[Donald]

I'm writing Enzo off because he's talentless.

[Nash Diesel]

I'm writing Enzo off because he's talentless.

I just realized your location says "Touchable" hahahaha. Classic.

Also, Enzo is crazy talented, but damn he needs to get some W's.

[Donald]

I mean talentless in the ring, I've never seen him as capable of going in there. He's make a swell manager.

[lotjx]

​I am writing off Raw if they are still going with Reigns/Brock at SummerSlam.

[Nash Diesel]

​I am writing off Raw if they are still going with Reigns/Brock at SummerSlam.

haha. You and quite a few others judging by the viewers and attendance.

[Donald]

It would really be great if they went with Reigns/Brock, and have Brock beat Reigns exactly as how he beat Cena a few SummerSlams ago.

[Nash Diesel]

It would really be great if they went with Reigns/Brock, and have Brock beat Reigns exactly as how he beat Cena a few SummerSlams ago.

Naw it should be like when Diesel beat Bob Backlund and Lesnar boots Reigns, F5, 1-2-3.

[Donald]

Naw it should be like when Diesel beat Bob Backlund and Lesnar boots Reigns, F5, 1-2-3.

Hells yes I like this very much.

[Nash Diesel]

And then Braun and Jack Swagger show up, double shooting star press?

[Gampo]

So... who comes out to help Enzo and set up a storyline with Cass? Big Show?

[Rancid_Planet]

Test's Ghost.

[Jordo]

It'll probably be Big Show but that's kind of boring for me if he just goes on to fued with Cass.


Now a Big Show/Enzo team. That I can get behind.

[Rancid_Planet]

​I am writing off Raw if they are still going with Reigns/Brock at SummerSlam.


haha. You and quite a few others judging by the viewers and attendance.

If the plan is to do Roman/Brock at Summerslam instead of mania then perhaps that means that Braun/Brock is being considered for mania.

I would agree with that in principle because that feels like the bigger match atm. However they'd need to keep Braun's massive head of steam going until mania. That might be difficult.

[JP]

Hyped as fuck for this, so slightly gutted I can't watch it live.

Expect a Lesnar win, but Joe to look strong.

[Tainted Eclipse]

very excited for joe/lesnar. roman/strowman has been a great match up too, i think they can make the stip work.

[TooCool]

It'll probably be Big Show but that's kind of boring for me if he just goes on to fued with Cass.


Now a Big Show/Enzo team. That I can get behind.

I think just seeing Big Show "defend" Enzo and feuding with Cass will be a little boring. What I'd like to see is to have Cass beat Enzo and then have Cass think he made the right choice in ditching Enzo. After that, then you have Enzo and Show win the Tag Titles and have Cass become jealous enough of Enzo so he feuds with Big Show.

[Tainted Eclipse]

joe, if he loses, should feud with the loser of roman/strowman after this show. roman/brock and joe/strowman would be great for summerslam.