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Nash Diesel
December 16th, 2016, 1:19 PM
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UFC 207
Friday December 30th, 2016
Live! from the T-Mobile Arena in Paradise, NV
Main Card
Main Event
UFC Women's Bantamweight Championship
Amanda Nunes (c) v. Ronda Rousey
UFC Men's Bantamweight Championship
Dominic Cruz (c) v. Cody Garbrandt
Fabricio Werdum v. Cain Velasquez (HW)
TJ Dillashaw v. John Lineker
Prelims (Fox Sports 1)
Jonny Hendricks v. Neil Magny (WW)
Dong Hyun Kim v. Tarec Saffedine (WW)
Mike Pyle v. Alex Garcia (WW)
Louis Smolka v. Ray Borg (FLW)
Prelims (Fight Pass)
Tim Means v. Alex Oliviera (WW)
Antonio Carlos Junior v. Marvin Vettori (MW)
Brandon Thatch v. Nico Price (WW)
Percussion
December 16th, 2016, 1:29 PM
Go ...
Nunes
Garbrandt
Cain
Lineker
Nash Diesel
December 16th, 2016, 1:46 PM
Oh man I don't know. Each fight I could really see going either way.
Nunes
Cruz
Cain
Dillashaw
Ask me next week it'll probably be Rousey, Cody, Cain, Dillashaw. The 2 title fights I'm on the fence about. Dom is great, but Cody has insane power plus he's fast. Nunes is dangerous as fuck but we don't know what kind of Rousey we're going to get. Will she bounce back to form-or be better, or was her mental broken so badly with her first ever MMA loss that she will crumble?
Percussion
December 16th, 2016, 1:47 PM
Was just putting out who I'm rooting for, not necessarily predictions.
Nash Diesel
December 16th, 2016, 1:48 PM
Was just putting out who I'm rooting for, not necessarily predictions.
Ok? Your point?
Percussion
December 16th, 2016, 1:50 PM
That was my point. My point to your response of looking at them like predictions.
Why the defensiveness?
Nash Diesel
December 16th, 2016, 1:54 PM
My post wasn't really in response to any of your choices though so who cares if they're predictions, who you're rooting for, etc.?
Percussion
December 16th, 2016, 1:58 PM
My post wasn't really in response to any of your choices though so who cares if they're predictions, who you're rooting for, etc.?
My bad then. Didn't realize this ...
Oh man I don't know. Each fight I could really see going either way.
... directly following my post was just you talking to yourself. Carry on then, bud.
Nash Diesel
December 16th, 2016, 2:09 PM
Well I took you saying "GO" followed by a list of names you wanted to win the fights....That's why I said I don't know, I could see them going either way, meaning I don't really know who I'm pulling for, who I think will win. Me saying "wasn't really in response to your choices" I was meaning I'm not dissecting your picks like you put money down on those 4 fighters and think they will 110% win the fight.
Fro
December 16th, 2016, 3:02 PM
#TeamRousey
Fanny Batter
December 23rd, 2016, 7:38 AM
I've got Nunes. Her strengths are Ronda's weaknesses whereas her weaknesses don't really benefit Ronda's strengths. She hits hard, has good BJJ, keeps range well, and is in no rush over the 5 round distance. Ronda thrives in the chaos of a scramble or exchange and his ludicrous killer instinct, but avoid that chaos and she's very flawed. She doesn't set up takedowns particularly well and will eat shots to get them, and her lateral movement when striking isn't good. The X factor is whether Nunes can maintain her composure or whether she'll rush her work and end up in Ronda's wheelhouse. That was the key for Holm, she had advantageous positions but kept composed, didn't rush in when she stung Ronda, didn't stay in her guard. This is women's MMA though where brainfarts are seemingly more profound, so I wouldn't be at all shocked to see Nunes bullrush and end up in an armbar. It'll be fun while it lasts anyway. Nunes by TKO in 2.
Cruz vs. Garbrandt is a great fight. I love Cruz's style, unique experience watching him work. Garbrandt will either knock him out or be perfect to just embarrass. He's got big power and excellent timing on his big shots, and he's quick. But he loads up on shots, hasn't been tested over the distance, and has fought mostly easy to hit fighters so far. He's done it impressively, but Cruz stopped Mizugaki too and Almeida has poor defence. So he's very much unproven. So was TJ Dillashaw though before Barao. You never know. I've got Cruz by submission/decision, he's got great fight IQ and while Cody may train BJJ he has very little fight experience on the mat. Cruz survives a rough first round, finds Cody's rhythm, times his takedowns, wears him out and picks up a rare sub or Cody holds on for a decision loss.
Velasquez vs. Werdum 2. Cain is injured coming in, we know that. He'll be out a considerable time and shelve the heavyweight title AGAIN if he wins. But he's clearly, on form, the best heavyweight we've seen yet in MMA. Werdum pieced him last time but the fight was closer than I remembered early, just Werdum was often landing last in the exchanges with his knees. That drained Cain, then he got picked at from the outside and submitted. It's a close fight to call but if Cain works his takedowns smartly to avoid the guard he has to be considered the favourite as he's smothering on top and Werdum can gas. Going Cain by TKO in 2 but if he's not on top form Werdum can get him again.
Dillashaw vs. Lineker, bull vs. matador. I hope little John wins but TJ is super talented, fast, awkward and dynamic. He doesn't get hit a lot and he's getting better. Him and Cruz will be a great, great fight the second time round with Dillashaw having the experience of fighting someone like Cruz and figuring his style out, coming on strong late. But Lineker hits HARD. He had a taste of a frustrating fighter in Dodson last time but Dodson doesn't put volume on like Dillashaw. If Lineker is to win it would be to hurt Dillashaw in an exchange, get him chasing the fight to open the body shots. I can't see it though I would love it. Dillashaw wins comprehensively by decision or late stoppage.
Smolka vs. Borg should be a wild one. Both aggressive grapplers. I've got Smolka by decision based on workrate and getting the better of the stand up.
Johny Hendricks in the last chance saloon against Neil Magny. Going from world champion to a 0-3 (1-4 and 2-5) dropout with a cancelled fight due to failed weight cut, and another failed weight cut against Gastelum, would put paid to his career you would think. His famous power hasn't put anybody out in 4 years. He's convincingly only won 1 fight in that time too. So odd considering that fight against GSP where he looked absolute world class. Magny is hittable but has a gigantic reach advantage so it's a tough fight. I'm leaning Magny since Hendricks seems checked out of the game and this will be his flat swansong. Magny on points.
Dong Hyun Kim on the prelims too. The forgotten man of the division, only lost to the champ and perennial top 5 contenders. He's a great grappler with some decent wins, 2 fight win streak. Doesn't fight enough. Tarec Saffiedine is his opponent, last winner in Strikeforce history. Some solid wins, some disappointing performances. Doesn't fight enough but is a little more active this year. I'd go DHK by decision, hopefully looking good enough to earn a big fight.
Mike Pyle vs. Alex Garcia. Garcia looked like a machine in his debut, like Hector Lombard. Had high hopes for him and he hasn't lived up to them. Mike Pyle has taken a lot of head trauma though so I expect Garcia to catch him early by knockout. Pyle shouldn't be fighting at this stage, 41, nowhere near contention, suffering many knockouts.
Shoeface vs. Vettori is filler. Shoeface by submission at a guess.
Tim Means vs. Cowboy Olivera fuck yeah. Could be a crazy one. Too rangy strikers, gritty with solid submission games and hard chins. Taking Means by finding the body, wearing his man down and sneaking in a choke.
Brandon Thatch gets what should be a showcase fight if he's back to his early form. A lot of talent but seems a bit chinny.
Nash Diesel
December 23rd, 2016, 2:52 PM
Rumors are flying that JDS has agreed to fill in for Cain V if he in fact can't make it next weekend. That's a baller. But Cain I believe will still show up. Just sucks. The dude is probably the greatest HW of all time but he barely fights.
Fanny Batter
December 24th, 2016, 9:15 PM
Cain is out and they're not replacing the fight. He should have done it a month ago so at least it wouldn't be too short notice to get Werdum to agree to another fight. AKA is ridiculous, the Arsenal of fight camps. For those keeping score at home, he's left Werdum high and dry within a month of them fighting THREE TIMES now. If I'm Fabricio I'm never signing to fight him again, he has cost him about 500k in base pay just this year alone.
Eddie Brock
December 24th, 2016, 10:25 PM
I love Velasquez, but this is getting ridiculous already!
Mik
December 25th, 2016, 2:11 PM
Nobody can say that Cain is the best heavyweight fighter of all time. He hasn't shown up, he hasn't fought enough people, he hasn't beat enough people. It's like saying that Overeem would be the best HW fighter of all time if he had a better chin.
Beer-Belly
December 25th, 2016, 2:33 PM
Ariel Helwani's thoughts on Rousey's media ban are interesting...
http://i.imgur.com/o30rbJx.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/V7ZLpEu.jpg
Percussion
December 25th, 2016, 2:43 PM
She's going to have to be tranquilized to fuck or locked naked in a padded room if she loses this fight.
I absolutely hope she loses this fight.
Beer-Belly
December 25th, 2016, 2:44 PM
She's going to have to be tranquilized to fuck or locked naked in a padded room if she loses this fight.
I absolutely hope she loses this fight.
Didn't she say she contemplated suicide after she lost to Holm? That's ridiculous.
Percussion
December 25th, 2016, 2:52 PM
Right, but the thought of having Travis Browne's baby saved her ... or some such nonsense.
I think there's a distinct possibility she may actually shit herself during ring intros.
Mark Hammer
December 25th, 2016, 8:09 PM
She's going to have to be tranquilized to fuck or locked naked in a padded room if she loses this fight.
I absolutely hope she loses this fight.
All day long. I want her to go away for good. WWE can have her.
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 4:16 AM
Werdum says he will fight anyone. JDS said that he would step in, but I imagine that the UFC won't allow that as they already have JDS propping up a weaker card. Wonder if they'll be able to get anyone in last minute. This is the third time that Cain has wasted countless thousands of Werdum's money personally by pulling out of a fight late (if anything this was a bit more bizarre as he seemed intent of getting himself pulled out of the fight so that he could say that he didn't pull out of it himself), Cain should get WAY more hassle for being unreliable than Aldo does. In fact AKA as a whole needs shutting down and their practices completely scrutinising. DC, Rockhold and Cain all pulled out of fights late notice AGAIN and their other highest profile fighter is Khabib for fucks sake.
Fanny Batter
December 26th, 2016, 6:21 AM
I think Cain gets plenty of shit for it, and rightfully so. It can't be coincidental this AKA injury epidemic. Out of the 3 top guys, they've been signed to fight 8 times between them this year and managed just a fight each (the irony of course that 2 of those were against short notice opponents). That's just not good enough. Werdum twice out of pocket, Jacare, Rumble Johnson. Late pull outs too. I don't think injuries in general are the problem, they're not out for extended times, they just can't get through fight camp. Something needs to change there.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 2:50 PM
Werdum says he will fight anyone. JDS said that he would step in, but I imagine that the UFC won't allow that as they already have JDS propping up a weaker card. Wonder if they'll be able to get anyone in last minute. This is the third time that Cain has wasted countless thousands of Werdum's money personally by pulling out of a fight late (if anything this was a bit more bizarre as he seemed intent of getting himself pulled out of the fight so that he could say that he didn't pull out of it himself), Cain should get WAY more hassle for being unreliable than Aldo does. In fact AKA as a whole needs shutting down and their practices completely scrutinising. DC, Rockhold and Cain all pulled out of fights late notice AGAIN and their other highest profile fighter is Khabib for fucks sake.
Cain never ruined a ppv by pulling out last minute so no, he shouldn't get more hassle for it than Aldo.
And with the exception of Khabib those are all world champions and current top contenders so it would be tough to argue that AKA needs to change. It is one of, if not THE premiere fight club in the world.
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 3:20 PM
Cain never ruined a ppv by pulling out last minute so no, he shouldn't get more hassle for it than Aldo.
And with the exception of Khabib those are all world champions and current top contenders so it would be tough to argue that AKA needs to change. It is one of, if not THE premiere fight club in the world.
No? UFC 180 he was the main event of an otherwise fairly horseshit card and he pulled out 3 weeks before the card. UFC Fight Night 82, Cain was again the main event and pulled out 13 days before the fight, which led to another lackluster card.
Aldo pulled out of UFC 176 against Mendes a full month before the event was scheduled and he pulled out of UFC 189 twelve days before the card. Its not on him that the UFC wasnt organised with a replacement.
The two cases are incredibly comparable.
With the exception of Khabib they are all world champions and current top contenders? Khabib is very much a current top contender.
Someone did a detailed breakdown of the most injury prone camps and found that AKA were indeed the most injury prone of all the camps, which is only made worse by the fact that many of their injury pull outs were from main event cards and title fights.
1089
Fanny Batter
December 26th, 2016, 3:40 PM
Yeah, Cain pulling out made the Superbowl weekend card into a TV fight. 180 went from a well hyped title fight between him and Werdum at 180 to an interim title fight. Not QUITE on the level of Aldo as he also forced a reshuffle to that card that became Silva vs. Bonnar, but close.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 3:55 PM
No? UFC 180 he was the main event of an otherwise fairly horseshit card and he pulled out 3 weeks before the card. UFC Fight Night 82, Cain was again the main event and pulled out 13 days before the fight, which led to another lackluster card.
Aldo pulled out of UFC 176 against Mendes a full month before the event was scheduled and he pulled out of UFC 189 twelve days before the card. Its not on him that the UFC wasnt organised with a replacement.
The two cases are incredibly comparable.
With the exception of Khabib they are all world champions and current top contenders? Khabib is very much a current top contender.
Someone did a detailed breakdown of the most injury prone camps and found that AKA were indeed the most injury prone of all the camps, which is only made worse by the fact that many of their injury pull outs were from main event cards and title fights.
1089
Clumsy choice of wording on my end regarding Khabib. I meant with the exception of Khabib they are all world champs and still currently in contention.
Werdum/Hunt was a godsent as was Mendes/McGregor but the latter was the result of some legitimately underhanded shit. Aldo tried to sabotage Conor, whereas Cain is simply fragile. Cain deserves (and receives) plenty of shit as he is a serial puller-outer but it pales in comparison to Jose Aldo's history.
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 4:02 PM
It really doesn't. It is very comparable.
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 4:05 PM
In fact for the record Chris Weidman has a terrible history of pulling out of fights too. He's pulled out of as many as Aldo, from less scheduled fights.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 4:08 PM
Cain lost his first championship because he didn't pull out when he should have. I can understand his thought process as frustrating as it might be. But how many of his pullouts were when he was champ and an entire card rested on his shoulders? One vs Werdum as far as I remember.
Now how many times did Aldo pull out while reigning champion?
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 4:17 PM
Jesus, how many times do you want to microscope the focus of your argument down?
It doesn't matter. Aldo was a champion a lot longer, he had a lot more title defences than Cain, he's had almost twice as many fights as Cain. The sample size isn't comparable. Aldo fights more frequently than Cain and his injuries don't tend to keep him off the shelf as long and therefore a lot of his fights get rearranged. The point is that Aldo is not alone in being injury prone, the likes of Cain and Weidman are too and are deserving of just as much shit as Aldo gets. You're the main one that shits on Aldo's injury record around here, so let's see you give some to Cain and Weidman too.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 4:28 PM
Nobody said shit about Aldo being the only one who is injury-prone. You said and I quote 'Cain deserves more hassle than Aldo' which is laughable.
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 4:32 PM
Cain should get way more hassle than Aldo in this particular incident, yes. This is the third time that he has pulled out late notice against Werdum and the second time that Werdum has not been able to get another fight arranged. Especially this time when it was patently clear what Cain was doing. He went and spoke in an interview about how he was injured and how he needed surgery and how he could barely stand up for longer than 15 minutes. It was plainly obvious that he was wanting to be pulled out of the fight so that he didn't have to do it himself AGAIN. This is three times that he has cost Werdum a training camp and money. How long has he known about this one? If he had pulled out a few weeks ago its highly possible that this fight could've been saved as Werdum could've taken a different opponent. Yet I don't see anyone posting about how Cain is ducking Werdum (who actually has a 1-0 record against Cain), compared to the amount of people who claimed that at 0-0 Aldo was ducking Conor.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 4:53 PM
So in other words Cain should get more hassle because poor Werdum, not because he's been more detrimental to an entire division.
I agree that it sucks for Werdum. I don't agree that Cain deserves more hassle than Aldo.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 4:58 PM
And nobody thinks Cain is ducking Werdum because he's actually fought him. Aldo tried avoiding Conor altogether via Chad Mendes on like a week's notice when he was unproven vs wrestlers.
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 5:10 PM
Cain has definitely been more detrimental to the HW division than Aldo has to FW. Aldo has beaten pretty much every contender in his division with the exception of the one that he is now lined up to fight, he defended his title 10 times against 8 different contenders. Cain is consensus the GOAT in the HW division, but can't prove it because he's fought four people in more than 5 years...let that sink in again, he has fought 4 different fighters in 5 entire years...and he's lost to two of them.
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 5:33 PM
By the way Mark, I don't agree with you, but I can see your argument. However, thanks for having a rational and reasoned discussion on the topic without feeling the need to resort to insults or ridiculous exaggeration. There is no reason why it can't work like this in here and across the forums.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 5:33 PM
And avenged one of those losses with conviction twice, his other loss he was winning before gassing out and will/would likely win the rematch vs Werdum.
Also I'm pretty sure Fedor is most people's consensus HW GOAT.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 5:34 PM
By the way Mark, I don't agree with you, but I can see your argument. However, thanks for having a rational and reasoned discussion on the topic without feeling the need to resort to insults or ridiculous exaggeration. There is no reason why it can't work like this in here and across the forums.
Of course. I appreciate you acknowledging it. :yes:
Mik
December 26th, 2016, 5:46 PM
I don't think that he was winning the fight with Werdum and in my opinion he gassed in large part because Werdum was hitting him clean to the face repeatedly. Much like the Mendes vs McGregor match. I am not sure that he would/will win the rematch, I think that Werdum is a bad style match up for him. The only thing that I think that stands in Cain's favour is that Werdum is an odd-ball, sometimes he just doesn't turn up.
I can't see how realistically Fedor could not be anyone's HW GOAT if you take into account what they actually achieved rather than what they could have. When he went 31 fights realistically undefeated he was taking some can fights in that, but he was also fighting Cro Cop, Big Nog, Mark Hunt, Andrei Arlovski. Guys who at their prime would've peaked in the top 3-5 of the UFC HW rankings and a handful of others who would've made the top 10 around the time they faced Fedor (Sylvia, Rogers etc). I don't see anyone else who achieved that level of success over such a sustained period of time.
Mark Hammer
December 26th, 2016, 5:46 PM
I forgot to mention, pertaining to Cain having fought only 4 fighters in 5 years, Overeem would have been 5 had he not shit the bed vs Bigfoot so you can hardly blame Cain for that.
kangus
December 29th, 2016, 2:42 PM
Johny Hendricks, again. 173.5
Fanny Batter
December 29th, 2016, 3:28 PM
Ridiculous and predictable by Hendricks. What a fall from grace. World champion after that ridiculous Fitch-Koscheck-Kampmann-Condit-GSP-Lawler stretch where he beat (and arguably beat in GSP's case) 6 of the top 20 welterweights of all time in a little over 2 years, to missing weight 3 times in 14 months and possibly being put on a 3 fight losing streak by a guy who was a 2-2 in the company TUF filler at the time when he won the belt. Crazy sport. He talked a good game about making weight too so fuck knows what he's playing at.
Nash Diesel
December 29th, 2016, 3:31 PM
With that said, Ronda looks in fantastic shape.
http://www2.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20161229104539_10_Ronda_Rousey.JPG
And so does her opponent, probably the only time we'll see Mark Hammer root for a Brazilian against a whitey:
http://www4.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20161229104559_10_Amanda_Nunes.JPG
And fuck Hendricks. He's missed weight more times than Barnett's pissed hot.
Nash Diesel
December 29th, 2016, 3:37 PM
Listen to this fuck, this is what he gets for being such a prick. I never liked this fuck.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/12/28/14109002/erratic-johny-hendricks-challenges-media-to-weight-cutting-contest
I love that he says "I can't wait to make 170" lol. Before that he's like "people who say that I'm past my prime or say that are people who don't compete" The fuck kind of answer is that lol. Ariel is great. Hendricks comes across as fucked up on some drugs.
Percussion
December 29th, 2016, 8:43 PM
In all fairness Ronda does look fit as fuck in that picture.
Still looking for Nunes to cave her fit head in, but kudos to her there nonetheless.
virms
December 29th, 2016, 11:14 PM
Her body is in definite great shape but she looks very tired and emotionless. I haven't seen the video but from those pics I see no fire in Rousey at all. Hopefully that is just a bad pic because I am pulling for her.
Atty
December 29th, 2016, 11:16 PM
With that said, Ronda looks in fantastic shape.
http://www2.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20161229104539_10_Ronda_Rousey.JPG
And so does her opponent, probably the only time we'll see Mark Hammer root for a Brazilian against a whitey:
http://www4.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20161229104559_10_Amanda_Nunes.JPG
And fuck Hendricks. He's missed weight more times than Barnett's pissed hot.
Ronda looks amazing. Not sure why she's fighting a dude. Doesn't seem fair for him.
Torn
December 30th, 2016, 12:39 AM
Her body is in definite great shape but she looks very tired and emotionless. I haven't seen the video but from those pics I see no fire in Rousey at all. Hopefully that is just a bad pic because I am pulling for her.
You try cutting weight and then come back and comment about how you feel afterwards.
virms
December 30th, 2016, 1:00 AM
Oh I have no doubt it is demanding beyond belief but if it is going to drain you that physically for a major fight/main event (not to mention a comeback fight your future career will most likely be judged on) the question would be is it worth it to either party? I don't follow UFC closely so I don't know if she was rushed back, if she is doing this just for a pay day or what. I would think her legacy would be a lot of what she is fighting for at this point so if getting back into that type of shape so quickly could possibly harm her chances (if she really is zapped) I am not sure why she would do it unless pressured into it. Even then, this is one of UFC's biggest draws so I don't see Dana putting a marquee star in jeopardy.
Again, I am judging by the pics posted alone but Nunes looks like she is ready to eat Ronda while Ronda looks like she was forced on stage against her will.
Does anyone have a link to the weigh in?
Percussion
December 30th, 2016, 1:21 AM
Oh I have no doubt it is demanding beyond belief but if it is going to drain you that physically for a major fight/main event (not to mention a comeback fight your future career will most likely be judged on) the question would be is it worth it to either party? I don't follow UFC closely so I don't know if she was rushed back, if she is doing this just for a pay day or what. I would think her legacy would be a lot of what she is fighting for at this point so if getting back into that type of shape so quickly could possibly harm her chances (if she really is zapped) I am not sure why she would do it unless pressured into it. Even then, this is one of UFC's biggest draws so I don't see Dana putting a marquee star in jeopardy.
Again, I am judging by the pics posted alone but Nunes looks like she is ready to eat Ronda while Ronda looks like she was forced on stage against her will.
Does anyone have a link to the weigh in?
The majority of fighters look depleted and bothered at weigh ins. Cost of doing business.
And Ronda hasn't been rushed into anything here at all. She's had a nice long layoff and so all the time in the world to get in the best shape she could going into this fight.
She's just a moody cunt.
Here she is at the official and then ceremonial weigh ins...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1gyBmVGW-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaW7N5Xt_yQ
virms
December 30th, 2016, 1:46 AM
Yeah, those were just a couple of bad shots. She still got fire in her eyes. :heart:
Murphy
December 30th, 2016, 5:13 AM
Looking forward to this. Been out of the loop with UFC for years because I didn't have the channel that shows it over here. Now I do.
Kinda pulling for Nunes here, but I do have a soft spot for Rousey, despite her not coming across too well lately.
Murphy
December 30th, 2016, 5:28 AM
Oops. Wrong thread.
Mark Hammer
December 30th, 2016, 3:25 PM
Looking forward to this. Been out of the loop with UFC for years because I didn't have the channel that shows it over here. Now I do.
Kinda pulling for Nunes here, but I do have a soft spot for Rousey, despite her not coming across too well lately.
Nothing lately about it, she's always had a terrible attitude.
But alas, I'm still looking forward to it. I kind of hope Nunes wins and retires Rousey for good but honestly it won't hurt my feelings if Ronda wins.
Kind of flying under the radar is one of the top p4p kings and my favorite UFC champ outside of Conor defending against yet another Alpha Male. Cody Garbrandt is a tough out but I have a hard time picking against Dominic Cruz.
Nash Diesel
December 30th, 2016, 3:26 PM
Yeah I don't see Cody winning this fight. Cruz is very good, underrated in the top fighters of this era conversation-probably just due to inactivity but still when he does fight, he's hard to fuck with. Wish this was TJ v. Cruz though.
Mark Hammer
December 30th, 2016, 3:29 PM
Johny Hendricks, again. 173.5
Wow. And this is the guy that people claimed retired GSP.
Mark Hammer
December 30th, 2016, 3:34 PM
You try cutting weight and then come back and comment about how you feel afterwards.
This is the first Torn post in an MMA thread in years! Remember how angry we got at each other over Rampage/Rashad? Good memories. :heart:
Nash Diesel
December 30th, 2016, 3:47 PM
Torn used to piss me off to no fucking end but in a good way lol.
Mark, check that link I posted a few posts back. It's a fucked up sounding Hendricks just sounding mega butt hurt about everything in his life, just comes across as a complete prick, and this is like the day before or 2 days before weighing in.
Mark Hammer
December 30th, 2016, 5:01 PM
I will listen but I haven't forgotten his '70% power' temper tantrums when he lost to GSP so I'm well-aware of his character.
Kdestiny
December 30th, 2016, 10:59 PM
Am I not scoring these right?
Definitely had Hendricks taking that one easily
Bert
December 30th, 2016, 11:10 PM
He should have.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 12:43 AM
Dillashaw is such a sincerely unlikable shithead.
He's a wicked talented unlikeable shithead.
But such an unlikeable shithead.
virms
December 31st, 2016, 12:53 AM
Cruise looks like he is coming to fight to kill.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 1:03 AM
Terrific first round for Garbrandt there.
virms
December 31st, 2016, 1:19 AM
Cruz can just take a beating. Fuck. Garbrandt is trash talking the living shit out of him.
Kdestiny
December 31st, 2016, 1:20 AM
Cruz not looking the same here at all
virms
December 31st, 2016, 1:21 AM
Garbrandt needs to stop showboating so much.
Kdestiny
December 31st, 2016, 1:23 AM
Garbrandt needs to stop showboating so much.
That shit bugs me
Beer-Belly
December 31st, 2016, 1:30 AM
As a casual fan, Garbrandt looked like a fucking star. What a fight.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 1:34 AM
Great fight, even better result. Such good shit.
Atty
December 31st, 2016, 1:36 AM
Less like Amanda and more like "a man, duh"
virms
December 31st, 2016, 1:43 AM
That shit bugs me
In the long run it didn't cost him but if Cruz could have gotten one lucky shot in he would have had 2 times where he could have finished Cruz but chose to dance instead.
virms
December 31st, 2016, 1:44 AM
get this done in 1 Ronda!
virms
December 31st, 2016, 1:48 AM
See you at Wrestlemania 33 Ronda. Vince just opened his checkbook
Atty
December 31st, 2016, 1:48 AM
Jesus.
Well, Charlotte vs. Ronda at Mania then.
Kdestiny
December 31st, 2016, 1:49 AM
Holy shit.
That was destruction
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 1:50 AM
Well that followed the script nicely.
darkhorse
December 31st, 2016, 1:51 AM
That was quick
Atty
December 31st, 2016, 1:51 AM
Amanda reminds me of the crossdresser in Con Air.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 1:55 AM
Ronda reminds me of Forrest Griffin facing Anderson Silva.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 1:56 AM
Come to think of it CM Punk put up a better fight.
Atty
December 31st, 2016, 1:57 AM
Ronda should have held off for a month on this. Trump would have had Nunes arrested and deported midfight. No way he lets some Mexican dude beat up on a woman.
sam_elmendorf
December 31st, 2016, 1:59 AM
Well fuck, that sucked
darkhorse
December 31st, 2016, 1:59 AM
Too soon to start booking Punk/Rousey vs. Hunter/Steph for Mania 33?
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 2:04 AM
Ronda should have held off for a month on this. Trump would have had Nunes arrested and deported midfight. No way he lets some Mexican dude beat up on a woman.
Trump is all about winners though, ya?
Atty
December 31st, 2016, 2:05 AM
Ronda won so much that she got tired of winning.
Beer-Belly
December 31st, 2016, 2:08 AM
Homegirl better hope WWE still cares about her. Jesus tap dancing Christ, that was brutal.
Tainted Eclipse
December 31st, 2016, 2:08 AM
nice eventful card to finish off the year. cody/cruz was a really good fight. very interested to see cody's first defense, assuming against dillashaw, and to see if cruz is just as dominant as usual in his next fight. nunes came off really well. hard not to feel any schadenfreude given ronda's attitude.
stylepoints
December 31st, 2016, 2:12 AM
So Nunes is most likely going to retire two fighters in a row? Title holders in the division no less? Incredible.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 2:14 AM
To be fair, from a competitive standpoint that was a hell of a sight. She knew from the first landed punch that she had nothing to offer, but she's been raised a successful competitor who's sadly bought in to allll the nonsense about her that she didn't have a reasonable off button. So we just saw her there stuck in this competitive limbo getting tuned up wickedly.
Hope she has the right people around her tonight and for the next few days, or more.
Fanny Batter
December 31st, 2016, 2:14 AM
That's the intrigue gone from WBW though. Everybody other than Nunes is dull as shit.
The Law
December 31st, 2016, 2:26 AM
Time for Rousey to retire. Make movies, do WWE. Only going to hurt her credibility worse if she continues to fight.
darkhorse
December 31st, 2016, 2:27 AM
Time for Rousey to retire. Make movies, do WWE. Only going to hurt her credibility worse if she continues to fight.
I'd have to agree. Pretty hard to envision her trying to make another comeback
Dream-Evil
December 31st, 2016, 2:53 AM
Edmund in the back, currently telling Ronda that she was robbed.
McBain
December 31st, 2016, 3:40 AM
Even I can tell she was way out of her depth. What the hell happened to her? I thought she was the most gifted of all and now people are saying she was never really that good?
Seanny One Ball
December 31st, 2016, 4:12 AM
Even I can tell she was way out of her depth. What the hell happened to her? I thought she was the most gifted of all and now people are saying she was never really that good?
Great fighters with great records almost always run into a defeat at some point and the more humbling the loss the more shocked the fans become because they've bought into the hype of invincibility that these fighters build up. Because they've never prepared themselves for the eventuality of such a loss they inevitably begin to question everything that attracted them to the fighter in the first place. It's ridiculous because they've seen the fighter and been blown away time and time again only to be so dumbstruck by their defeat that their only recourse is to assume they overestimated them. It's what happened when Anderson and Fedor lost and it's exactly why GSP retired when he did.
That sort of loss is natural and the fighters must expect it eventually but I cannot imagine how demoralising fan backlash is as a chaser to an ass kicking.
Morrison
December 31st, 2016, 4:52 AM
Homegirl better hope WWE still cares about her. Jesus tap dancing Christ, that was brutal.
in what world do you think the WWE would stop 'caring' about rousey as a potential draw? come on.
The Rogerer
December 31st, 2016, 5:33 AM
Amanda reminds me of the crossdresser in Con Air.Three times on one page. Then one more for good measure.
JT4104
December 31st, 2016, 9:07 AM
I was glad to see RR and her team did literally no work on her standup for one damn year. Same straight ahead approach that got he knocked out last year. Standing straight up and down with her head dead center ready to get knocked off her body.
Her team should be ashamed as they were just fluffers instead of guys who actually tried to help her improve.
Mik
December 31st, 2016, 10:48 AM
Ronda is the Brock Lesnar of women's MMA. Brought mainstream exposure to the sport, a complete pioneer, but ultimately a very limited and one-dimensional fighter and the game moved beyond her VERY quickly. Not helped in any way by her insistence on remaining at an absolute dogshit camp who have clearly not worked on her stand up at all. She was exposed by a much better more well-rounded fighter. If Rousey had been working on her defensive striking to be able to get her key weapon (her Judo clinch game) into play, the fight MIGHT have looked different, instead she was taking punches straight on to the face with no resistance whatsoever. She will almost undoubtedly retire now.
Nunes was excellent and can we stop this misogynistic bullshit in here? She's a lesbian and a great fighter and like many lesbians and most female fighters, she can look a bit butch, I don't know why that's something that needs pointing out. There are lots of effeminate looking men in the world who don't get a huge amount of abuse for it.
Garbrandt unfortunately looked excellent, which is unfortunate because he's an absolute cock. I think that was one of the worst examples I've seen of Joe Rogan swaying the domination of the fight via his commentary. It was a pretty comfortable win for Cody, but there was only one clear round and that was round 3. The 48-46 call was a pretty good shout I'd say, Joe's commentary, for the most part would make you think that there was only one person in it. Tough to know where Cruz goes from here. I think Dillashaw vs Grabrandt makes sense and would probably be a pretty interesting fight. It's funny but this might be a case of one of those triangles where Cody has the beating of Dom, Dom has the beating of TJ and TJ has the beating of Cody. It's all about styles. I was very impressed by Garbrandt in the cage, he had a much more diverse game than I thought, his movement was great, very clean and powerful punches and I was surprised by his cardio, I thought that he would burn out in the later rounds. Had a great fight plan and showed good fight IQ. Shame he had to come off like a bell end with the showboating.
Seanny One Ball
December 31st, 2016, 12:05 PM
Three times on one page. Then one more for good measure.
He should have said "the little Latino that could" from Dangerous Minds if he wanted our attention.
Whatever happened to that guy anyway?
Torn
December 31st, 2016, 2:47 PM
https://usatmmajunkie.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/ronda-rousey-ring-magazine.jpg
:spit:
Mark Hammer
December 31st, 2016, 2:54 PM
Lol Ronda Rousey got the shit whooped out of her. That was embarrassing. Speaking of embarrassing I wonder how the crowd that went on how she'd beat Floyd Mayweather are feeling right now.
I love the Lioness. And I still love Holly Holm.
Mark Hammer
December 31st, 2016, 2:58 PM
Even I can tell she was way out of her depth. What the hell happened to her? I thought she was the most gifted of all and now people are saying she was never really that good?
You thought "she was the most gifted of all" because you swallowed the hype. Ronda Rousey, once ever human.
Mark Hammer
December 31st, 2016, 3:00 PM
Well fuck, that sucked
Not sure which fight you were watching.
Mark Hammer
December 31st, 2016, 3:02 PM
in what world do you think the WWE would stop 'caring' about rousey as a potential draw? come on.
They'd look utterly pathetic bringing her in now.
Atty
December 31st, 2016, 3:02 PM
Lol Ronda Rousey got the shit whooped out of her. That was embarrassing. Speaking of embarrassing I wonder how the crowd that went on how she'd beat Floyd Mayweather are feeling right now.
I feel like a bitter dumdum, so I'll go with that.
Atty
December 31st, 2016, 3:02 PM
They'd look utterly pathetic bringing her in now
They didn't look that way bringing Brock in after Overeem mauled him.
Mark Hammer
December 31st, 2016, 3:08 PM
They didn't look that way bringing Brock in after Overeem mauled him.
Apples and oranges. Brock made waves in WWE first. With Rousey WWE simply had eyes on a cash cow/flavor of the week but I think most people have wisened up since then that she's not 'the greatest fighter of all time who can beat up all the male bantamweights, Cain Velasquez, Floyd Mayweather, and Mark Hammer.'
The Rogerer
December 31st, 2016, 3:13 PM
She's still one of the biggest names they can get, unless they get Trump to appear at WM again.
Mark Hammer
December 31st, 2016, 3:16 PM
Ronda is the Brock Lesnar of women's MMA. Brought mainstream exposure to the sport, a complete pioneer, but ultimately a very limited and one-dimensional fighter and the game moved beyond her VERY quickly. Not helped in any way by her insistence on remaining at an absolute dogshit camp who have clearly not worked on her stand up at all. She was exposed by a much better more well-rounded fighter. If Rousey had been working on her defensive striking to be able to get her key weapon (her Judo clinch game) into play, the fight MIGHT have looked different, instead she was taking punches straight on to the face with no resistance whatsoever. She will almost undoubtedly retire now.
Nunes was excellent and can we stop this misogynistic bullshit in here? She's a lesbian and a great fighter and like many lesbians and most female fighters, she can look a bit butch, I don't know why that's something that needs pointing out. There are lots of effeminate looking men in the world who don't get a huge amount of abuse for it.
Garbrandt unfortunately looked excellent, which is unfortunate because he's an absolute cock. I think that was one of the worst examples I've seen of Joe Rogan swaying the domination of the fight via his commentary. It was a pretty comfortable win for Cody, but there was only one clear round and that was round 3. The 48-46 call was a pretty good shout I'd say, Joe's commentary, for the most part would make you think that there was only one person in it. Tough to know where Cruz goes from here. I think Dillashaw vs Grabrandt makes sense and would probably be a pretty interesting fight. It's funny but this might be a case of one of those triangles where Cody has the beating of Dom, Dom has the beating of TJ and TJ has the beating of Cody. It's all about styles. I was very impressed by Garbrandt in the cage, he had a much more diverse game than I thought, his movement was great, very clean and powerful punches and I was surprised by his cardio, I thought that he would burn out in the later rounds. Had a great fight plan and showed good fight IQ. Shame he had to come off like a bell end with the showboating.
Agree completely on the Cruz/Garbrandt fight. I was sad to see him lose, and he definitely lost, but it wasn't a one-sided beating like Rogan tried passing off. I'm sure you noticed much of his offense being ignored on commentary but Cruz was never out of the fight, in fact he looked incredible in losing. We now know that on top of being hard to hit Dom has a GOAT chin.
Mark Hammer
December 31st, 2016, 3:21 PM
Ronda reminds me of Forrest Griffin facing Anderson Silva.
This was even worse and much shorter.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 3:42 PM
This was even worse and much shorter.
Sure. But was really just responding to the post above that one.
Anywho, immensely looking forward to Garbrandt/Dillashaw. That thing should be hyped to the sun.
I fear Mik may be right though about the fight triangle brewing between the three of these guys, as I'd conversely love to see Dillashaw get the Forrest/Rousey treatment next.
Seanny One Ball
December 31st, 2016, 3:46 PM
Rousey is still a legitimate fighter and badass. The WWE could easily sell her off of her legacy as the first truly recognisable American female MMA fighter.
They could sell her like they sold Ken Shamrock.
Seanny One Ball
December 31st, 2016, 3:47 PM
This was even worse and much shorter.
Andy vs Chris Leben bad?
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 3:53 PM
Rousey is still a legitimate fighter and badass. The WWE could easily sell her off of her legacy as the first truly recognisable American female MMA fighter.
They could sell her like they sold Ken Shamrock.
They can essentially do whatever they want as far as an argument on what they can do goes. They've tried selling people on Roman Reigns as THE guy for years now.
Question is will people buy into it. Will they find it compelling and worthwhile? I'd laugh my ass off if Ronda tried believably huffing and puffing her way to any ring in any near future. It'd come off as utterly silly.
Maybe enough WWE fans would eat it up though, idk.
sam_elmendorf
December 31st, 2016, 5:15 PM
Not sure which fight you were watching.
Rousey, I was pulling for Rousey.
Bert
December 31st, 2016, 5:34 PM
http://i.imgur.com/65BNQxB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ifu3lM7.jpg
Going to have to disagree. She's still a draw.
The Rogerer
December 31st, 2016, 5:54 PM
"Michael listen to me" :lol: please tell me he's working a gimmick
The Law
December 31st, 2016, 6:04 PM
Yeah, I don't buy into the idea that she has no value because she's lost a couple fights. She's still the #1 or #2 best known UFC fighter. She's still a mainstream sports celebrity. She's still the former world champion and was incredibly dominant at her peak.
My natural instinct is to compare it to Tyson coming in after he had lost twice to Holyfield, but Tyson also had the car crash factor to him after the ear biting incident.
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 6:24 PM
Wonder if she'll act like a giant baby if/when the script doesn't go her way in WWE as well.
sam_elmendorf
December 31st, 2016, 6:26 PM
Would you open your checkbook to someone who might be even more suicidal at this point?
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 6:29 PM
What does it matter what I'd do?
sam_elmendorf
December 31st, 2016, 7:32 PM
My response was to The Law.
Caveman89
December 31st, 2016, 11:11 PM
Not a big Hendricks fan, but I feel for the guy. Misses weight for the second time in a row, still goes out and basically wins the fight, but loses the decision.
Cody Garbrandt has gained a fan. Amazing performance against arguably the pound-for-pound best, definitely looking forward to a fight with Dillashaw.
I'm not a believer that someone is automatically done after a bad loss, even two, but at the moment, I don't see Ronda coming back from this. Dana and the UFC have to feel stupid for barely mentioning Amanda leading up to this fight, just for her to beat the dogshit out of Ronda. If there was any doubt about Nunes, I would think this shut all of that down. I loved her post-fight interview as well (except for her girlfriend being a future champ, she's 6-5, calm down lol).
Percussion
December 31st, 2016, 11:14 PM
Why should the UFC feel stupid for capitalizing on one of their best ever cash cows? Marketing this hugely as Ronda's return put all eyes on Nunes whether they hyped Nunes or not.
Now they can hype Nunes.
Mark Hammer
January 1st, 2017, 2:45 AM
Andy vs Chris Leben bad?
Worse. She got beat the fuck up for 48 seconds before Herb showed her mercy and she looked terrible, like she had never been a fight before. Seriously you should view it with your own eyes before arguing that she is still legit.
Torn
January 1st, 2017, 2:57 AM
It was straight up embarrassing to watch. The only movement she had was her head getting knocked backwards repeatedly. What has she even been doing in training to have boxing skills so poor? No concept of any basic stand up principles whatsoever.
virms
January 1st, 2017, 3:32 AM
She's been getting her abs picture worthy apparently.
Mark Hammer
January 1st, 2017, 3:35 AM
Everyone thinking she is a lock for WWE now is kidding themselves. They wanted her back when the majority thought she was better than she actually was. WWE bringing her in now, now that even her blindest defenders who ruled/terrorized internet forums for a couple of years have all disappeared, would seem desperate and pathetic.
Even if she can still draw, the non-wrestling demographic they would be shooting for with her involvement would likely be turned off by the blatant carny act cash grab attempt. She needs to be forgotten and left alone to enjoy her millions.
virms
January 1st, 2017, 3:40 AM
Everyone thinking she is a lock for WWE now is kidding themselves. They wanted her back when the majority thought she was better than she actually was. WWE bringing her in now, now that even her blindest defenders who ruled/terrorized internet forums for a couple of years have all disappeared, would be desperate and pathetic.
Even if she can still draw, the non-wrestling demographic they would be shooting for with her involvement would likely be turned off by the blatant carny act cash grab attempt. She needs to be forgotten and left alone to enjoy her millions.
Hey mark 'member mike tyson?
Yeah, that guy was forgotten and waved off at that point in his career as well. WWE made a fucking spectacle out of it and even today it is considered one of the biggest angles of the attitude era.
Rousey won't be as big as Tyson but look at Goldberg. A man of 50 came in and beat the beast in a minute. Neither of those guys stocks are hurt and everyone wants more. Ronda comes in and puts Steph/Charlotte in an armbar and the place goes nuts.
Mark Hammer
January 1st, 2017, 3:47 AM
Not sure why we're comparing the novelty act and extreme hype job (now exposed) that was Ronda Rousey to Mike Tyson but I'd love for you guys to cut that out.
Seanny One Ball
January 1st, 2017, 5:51 AM
They can essentially do whatever they want as far as an argument on what they can do goes. They've tried selling people on Roman Reigns as THE guy for years now.
Question is will people buy into it. Will they find it compelling and worthwhile? I'd laugh my ass off if Ronda tried believably huffing and puffing her way to any ring in any near future. It'd come off as utterly silly.
Maybe enough WWE fans would eat it up though, idk.
Ronda Rousey being legitimately hard has no influence?
Bullshit.
darkhorse
January 1st, 2017, 6:10 AM
Not sure why we're comparing the novelty act and extreme hype job (now exposed) that was Ronda Rousey to Mike Tyson but I'd love for you guys to cut that out.
I can see the parallels here. The WWE's involvement with Mike Tyson took place after he (temporarily) was banned from boxing in the US for biting Evander Holyfield's ear (which, at the time, seemed like a career killer), and while the WWE likely didn't draw a whole lot of boxing fans, they still found a way to use a celebrity in a meaningful way at (what used to be) the "star-studded" WrestleMania.
The same also could eventually apply to Ronda Rousey. While she's not likely to be viewed as the same badass that she used to be, she is still a celebrity and, like Tyson, would draw some mainstream interest (while her UFC career is seemingly over) with a WrestleMania appearance.
Seanny One Ball
January 1st, 2017, 6:21 AM
I'm pretty sure that even when I was a little boy I knew an actual fighter had instant credibility in the WWF.
By the looks of it the average fan is still a hormonal teen boy so Ronda Rousey sells on most levels.
I would have made my dick sorry to be a part of me if there was a woman like that around when I watched wrestling.
McBain
January 1st, 2017, 6:45 AM
You really think she's hot?
Seanny One Ball
January 1st, 2017, 7:10 AM
No but I used to masturbate over WWF divas as a boy so to be fair she would have been more than enough for me aged 13.
Debra had a big fuckin forehead and I lost my wank virginity to her video on Smackdown the PS game.
McBain
January 1st, 2017, 8:00 AM
:lol: Walls of Jericho.
The Rogerer
January 1st, 2017, 9:05 AM
Everyone thinking she is a lock for WWE now is kidding themselves. They wanted her back when the majority thought she was better than she actually was. WWE bringing her in now, now that even her blindest defenders who ruled/terrorized internet forums for a couple of years have all disappeared, would seem desperate and pathetic.
Even if she can still draw, the non-wrestling demographic they would be shooting for with her involvement would likely be turned off by the blatant carny act cash grab attempt. She needs to be forgotten and left alone to enjoy her millions.You still oversell the prestige of the WWE.
They've expanded their women's division massively, but there's no depth to the division and they're on the verge of overexposing their biggest stars there. I don't think it would actually happen, but Rousey is pretty much the perfect hire they could make to bring attention and interest to it. Ronda had a moment and that's more than any other woman they currently have will get.
It's a bit of a shame she's been pulled to pieces as UFC could have maybe clambered a foothold as a sport with stars not likely to be suspended or end up in prison, but I understand why you're very keen to have that aspect stamped out.
Badger
January 1st, 2017, 10:54 AM
Lesnar's in disgrace in UFC for worse reasons yet WWE still employ him. Rousey may have been spanked, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were still interested. She would still garner a lot of interest.
The Law
January 1st, 2017, 11:37 AM
Not sure why we're comparing the novelty act and extreme hype job (now exposed) that was Ronda Rousey to Mike Tyson but I'd love for you guys to cut that out.
Because they're both stars. Rousey isn't as big a star as Mike Tyson was, but she's still a legitimate celebrity. She's not as hot a commodity as she was back when she was champion, but there's still value there. I think a match between her and Charlotte would generate a lot of mainstream publicity and interest. She's a much bigger star than most of the B and C Listers that WWE brings in.
Percussion
January 1st, 2017, 11:56 AM
Ronda Rousey being legitimately hard has no influence?
Bullshit.
Bullshit is that I didn't say that.
Beside the fact that there are varying degrees of 'hard', to which hers is roundly questioned at the moment.
Badger
January 1st, 2017, 12:57 PM
Because they're both stars. Rousey isn't as big a star as Mike Tyson was, but she's still a legitimate celebrity. She's not as hot a commodity as she was back when she was champion, but there's still value there. I think a match between her and Charlotte would generate a lot of mainstream publicity and interest. She's a much bigger star than most of the B and C Listers that WWE brings in.
:yes:
They could even work a story with Charlotte questioning Rousey's toughness.
Mik
January 1st, 2017, 2:28 PM
I think a lot of you guys are missing the point. Rousey's current name value is associated with getting absolutely battered in her last fight, this one within 48 seconds. Now that would be fine, she could still carry some credibility to the WWE for what she has achieved professionally and the profile she has built...some. Unfortunately some isn't enough considering she just got paid AT LEAST $3m for that 48 seconds and three month training fight. She probably also gets some ppv points and she has a fucking shampoo advert that aired in the middle of the show. I'd be amazed if she didn't come out with close to $10m for the whole thing when you add in reebok and other sponsorship that she has. She wouldn't just take a low ball offer from the WWE, she would have to go in as one of if not THE highest earning star. And she doesn't carry THAT kind of name value to the WWE considering her last two performances. Do you think that they would take CM Punk back now on a bigger contract than he left with? That's effectively the same kind of thing you'd be talking about with rousey. Not quite, but a reasonably accurate comparison.
McBain
January 1st, 2017, 2:41 PM
Well if and I mean IF she's done with MMA now what else is she going to look to do? It's not like the WWE links are out of the blue either, so there has to be something to the possibility. I'd be very surprised if they had to make her their top paying star to even attract her either.
Percussion
January 1st, 2017, 2:45 PM
Well if and I mean IF she's done with MMA now what else is she going to look to do? It's not like the WWE links are out of the blue either, so there has to be something to the possibility. I'd be very surprised if they had to make her their top paying star to even attract her either.
Finally have Travis Browne's babies?
I mean, you say that as if she's pressed to earn any more of a living.
McBain
January 1st, 2017, 2:47 PM
Well people were saying the same about Punk when he left WWE - having money in the bank doesn't mean you don't want to bring any more in. Fair point about the kids though.
Mark Hammer
January 1st, 2017, 5:39 PM
Because they're both stars. Rousey isn't as big a star as Mike Tyson was, but she's still a legitimate celebrity. She's not as hot a commodity as she was back when she was champion, but there's still value there. I think a match between her and Charlotte would generate a lot of mainstream publicity and interest. She's a much bigger star than most of the B and C Listers that WWE brings in.
Tyson still had an aura of legitimacy at that point which is crucial for the 'badass real fighter celebrity' angle to work. Rousey does not, the last time we saw her she looked like a cartoon character getting beat up and the time before that, an entire year prior, she looked downright silly in her loss. At to that her severe emotional instability (yes I'm opening myself up there but Tyson was just nuts, not manic and suicidal) and the massive liability she would impose on the WWE and you see why sports-entertainer Ronda Rousey is a long shot.
Badger
January 1st, 2017, 6:23 PM
She had a moment after her first loss, but she got through it and WWE still went on record saying they'd still take her on if she decided to retire from MMA. A part-time schedule means she wouldn't have to deal with the stress of road travel like a typical WWE star.
Now the second loss obviously does complicate things, but it could be worked around. Either put her in a money feud with Charlotte right away with her taunting about her loss saying she's not cut out for the business, or have her work her way up the ranks to prove herself before facing Charlotte. She's a fan of the business too so if she moves, it probably wouldn't be entirely money-motivated.
Percussion
January 1st, 2017, 6:44 PM
Wonder if her titanic ego would even allow her to limp broken and beaten into fake fighting after being battered to fuck and back completely out of the real thing.
The money, sure. But she's hardly hard up for money, and man the picture that would paint for someone who's supposed to be such an apex competitor.
Mik
January 1st, 2017, 6:53 PM
Tyson was suicidal, he attempted suicide a couple of times.
However Ronda Rousey made more in this fight than John Cena earns for the WWE in a year, she has very deliberately put herself in that position by years of raising her profile quite shrewdly. To say that she wouldn't go straight in and be one of the top earners in the WWE is a little naive and thats the problem. Her profile at the moment and possibly her pulling power now has suffered to the point where it would be hard to justify the WWE paying her the money that she would undoubtedly command.
Badger
January 1st, 2017, 7:27 PM
Wonder if her titanic ego would even allow her to limp broken and beaten into fake fighting after being battered to fuck and back completely out of the real thing.
The money, sure. But she's hardly hard up for money, and man the picture that would paint for someone who's supposed to be such an apex competitor.
Meant to say the move wouldn't be entirely money-motivated in my last post as she's afan of the business.
Sure, she's taken a humbling, but she's a WWE fan so I don't know if she'd see it as demeaning.
Percussion
January 1st, 2017, 7:46 PM
Meant to say the move wouldn't be entirely money-motivated in my last post as she's afan of the business.
Sure, she's taken a humbling, but she's a WWE fan so I don't know if she'd see it as demeaning.
The fan thing is worth noting.
But we're talking about a person who takes anyone that doesn't explicitly kiss her ass as demeaning. Her petulance is legendary. I could actually see her making some kind of demand to Vince contractually that no one even be allowed to mention her colossal defeats.
Fuck it, now I want to see her live on Raw with someone like KO going completely off script to rib the shite out of her. Just twisting the knife into maniacal ego. Her hair would fall out from rage. Would be entertainment gold.
Seanny One Ball
January 1st, 2017, 7:49 PM
Bullshit is that I didn't say that.
Beside the fact that there are varying degrees of 'hard', to which hers is roundly questioned at the moment.
Well I may have put words in your mouth there so I apologise but I still think WWE fans would draw to her.
Ronda is kind of a dick though.
Seanny One Ball
January 1st, 2017, 7:51 PM
She could always come in and use her inability to take a punch as a gimmick.
Percussion
January 1st, 2017, 8:24 PM
Well I may have put words in your mouth there so I apologise but I still think WWE fans would draw to her.
Ronda is kind of a dick though.
No worries, m8. And I agree she'd bring interest, in sheer spectacle alone. Just not sure how cost effective it would ultimately be or what kind of legs it would have.
More power to anyone who wants to see it or make it happen though.
The Law
January 1st, 2017, 8:30 PM
She's a big wrestling fan and it's a pretty easy payday. Preparing for a WWE match wouldn't be anywhere near as taxing as preparing for a real fight. If WWE wants her (and I suspect they will) there's every reason to think they can work a deal out. When really depends on her movie schedule and how successful she ends up being in acting.
What I would do with her really depends on what she's coming in for (just a one-off, or does she commit to a few matches). But her against Charlotte is the biggest match.
Tyson
January 2nd, 2017, 3:04 AM
I really enjoyed watching Nunes thoroughly destroy Rousey...one came into the fight prepared as fuck, the other one got her ass kicked...
Mik
January 2nd, 2017, 6:28 AM
She's a big wrestling fan and it's a pretty easy payday. Preparing for a WWE match wouldn't be anywhere near as taxing as preparing for a real fight. If WWE wants her (and I suspect they will) there's every reason to think they can work a deal out. When really depends on her movie schedule and how successful she ends up being in acting.
What I would do with her really depends on what she's coming in for (just a one-off, or does she commit to a few matches). But her against Charlotte is the biggest match.
Well by all accounts she lost a couple of acting gigs when she got beat by holm and her role was severely cut in others because she doesn't have a lot of screen presence...so I would say that she won't be particularly successful in acting.
I honestly think that she'll retire, get fat, get pregnant and we won't hear from her again.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 7:52 AM
Considering physical threats she's made towards ring girls and others and her ridiculous ego she would be disastrous for the WWE locker room and absolutely not worth the hassle anymore.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 7:58 AM
I honestly think that she'll retire, get fat, get pregnant and we won't hear from her again.
I'm pretty sure of it. It's a far more likely scenario than WWE picking her up in any meaningful capacity.
Lots of fantasizing going on this thread and I would have understood it all if this were 2 years ago.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 8:21 AM
She had a moment after her first loss, but she got through it and WWE still went on record saying they'd still take her on if she decided to retire from MMA. A part-time schedule means she wouldn't have to deal with the stress of road travel like a typical WWE star.
Now the second loss obviously does complicate things, but it could be worked around. Either put her in a money feud with Charlotte right away with her taunting about her loss saying she's not cut out for the business, or have her work her way up the ranks to prove herself before facing Charlotte. She's a fan of the business too so if she moves, it probably wouldn't be entirely money-motivated.
"She had a moment and got through it"? She had an emotional breakdown at a press conference like 2 months ago and was the first and only ighter in history to get a pass from all media obligations including lead-up interviews on account of her being an absolute mess.
She's far more a fan of herself than she is of "the business" not to mention a terrible actor with zero pro wrestling training or experience. Why do you and others keep bring up that she's a fan as if that means anything? I think her being a fan simply endeared you towards her and that's why you want to see her on Raw. But it wouldn't work. She would bring ultimately no value to the company outside of the initial shock of her first appearance. Then she'll have to get on a microphone and start having matches, and the stories of backstage drama will start coming in, and WWE ratings will be exactly where they are now. And I imagine that WWE execs are fully aware of this.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 8:39 AM
"She had a moment and got through it"? She had an emotional breakdown at a press conference like 2 months ago and was the first and only ighter in history to get a pass from all media obligations including lead-up interviews on account of her being an absolute mess.
She's far more a fan of herself than she is of "the business" not to mention a terrible actor with zero pro wrestling training or experience. Why do you and others keep bring up that she's a fan as if that means anything? I think her being a fan simply endeared you towards her and that's why you want to see her on Raw. But it wouldn't work. She would bring ultimately no value to the company outside of the initial shock of her first appearance. But then she'll have to get on a microphone and have matches, and the stories of backstage drama will start coming in, and WWE ratings will be exactly where they are now. And I imagine that WWE execs are fully aware of this.
Her being a fan is relevant as she appreciates what the wrestlers do and doesn't look down on the business that other MMA people might. "Bringing in absolutely no value" is just bias, she would still garner a lot of mainstream publicity. WWE are focusing more on their women's Division than ever before, and whether she sticks around for one match with Charlotte or a small part-time schedule. Celebrities have had basic training for matches before and been competent, so even if it's not a permanent stay, she can be trained. She has the advantage over other celebrities with having fighting experience so she would be easier to train,
She has been shown to be a bit of a prima donna, but it's not like she would be on TV every week demanding face time if she were to move. It would be more part-time if anything. She has a good rapport with WWE and has appeared on Wrestlemania before. Paid heftily yes, but she is a fan too so it's not entirely financial greed.
She may very well choose to settle down and be a mother, best of luck to her if she does. I just don't think it's as foregone a conclusion asothers have said.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 8:48 AM
Lesnar's in disgrace in UFC for worse reasons yet WWE still employ him.
I have no clue what this even means but Brock had a successful fighting career after wrestling despite everyone always being positive he was going to lose his next fight. Rousey on the other hand was insanely overhyped for her entire UFC run but now is widely considered a joke with nobody's sympathy because of her abrasive personality and comically inflated ego. I dont see how Brock is more of a disgrace than Rousey, and as far as I'm aware he's still doing well in life and demanding respect in his field.
He's also a pro wrestler who can have wrestling matches, so that's probably why WWE still employs him.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 8:54 AM
I have no clue what this even means but Brock had a successful fighting career after wrestling in spite of everyone being certain he was going to lose his next fight for his entire career. Rousey on the other hand was insanely overhyped for her entire UFC run but now is widely considered a joke with nobody's sympathy because of her abrasive personality and comically inflated ego. I dont see how Brock is more of a disgrace than Rousey and still doing well in life and demanding ng respect in his field.
He's also a pro wrestler who can have wrestling matches so that's why WWE still employs him.
It means Lesnar got busted and it's unlikely at this point if he'll ever return to MMA.
Lesnar has the background and experience in WWE, but he has also attracted negative publicity and WWE have come under fire for not punishing him. We'll never know unless it happens and people are right to be skeptical, but Rousey may settle down and be good to work with on a part-time basis.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 8:56 AM
Her being a fan is relevant as she appreciates what the wrestlers do and doesn't look down on the business that other MMA people might. "Bringing in absolutely no value" is just bias, she would still garner a lot of mainstream publicity. WWE are focusing more on their women's Division than ever before, and whether she sticks around for one match with Charlotte or a small part-time schedule. Celebrities have had basic training for matches before and been competent, so even if it's not a permanent stay, she can be trained. She has the advantage over other celebrities with having fighting experience so she would be easier to train,
She has been shown to be a bit of a prima donna, but it's not like she would be on TV every week demanding face time if she were to move. It would be more part-time if anything. She has a good rapport with WWE and has appeared on Wrestlemania before. Paid heftily yes, but she is a fan too so it's not entirely financial greed.
She may very well choose to settle down and be a mother, best of luck to her if she does. I just don't think it's as foregone a conclusion asothers have said.
She looks down on everyone she feels is beneath her which would be the entire womens locker room and likely most of the men's. It is pretty evident you don't know much about her.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 9:01 AM
She looks down on everyone she feels is beneath her which would be the entire womens locker room and likely most of the men's. It is pretty evident you don't know much about her.
I never said she was an angel and she does have a past, but who knows if she will still be like that if she comes to WWE. She might grow up a bit and she's still fairly youngish at 29. People can change.
OD50
January 2nd, 2017, 1:24 PM
I could see a short time use for RRR in WWE. Just do it Tyson or Mr T style.
Spedizzo
January 2nd, 2017, 1:56 PM
I am gutted that my boy The Decisionator got decisioned. I felt that Cruz was just chasing way too much and not letting Cody come to him. Cruz played right into Cody's gameplan and props to Cody for fighting so smart and not getting too caught up in the instances in the fight where he might have had it won. I am intrigued to see them fight again, but I much prefer to see TJ fight Cody first and Cruz admittedly said TJ deserves it more. What a stellar performance by Cody.
Ronda's loss did not shock me because I expected that to happen it in its exact form if she didn't initiate an immediate clinch for a judo takedown/armbar. I understand Ronda's psychologically fucked up or whatever, but the fact it her striking was always shit and she has made a career beating down women weaker (size/strength/training) than her in areas she had strengths while the division was in its infancy. Her coaching is also atrocious and does no favors for her improvement as the women's division catches up in skill.
The lack of proper/any send off to Mike Goldberg was shit. The guy is a hall of famer in his own right and did not get a mention that he is leaving. Rogan was teary eyed at the end but it's quite obvious that the UFC wants him to keep hush on the situation. Dana said that when Goldie is ready to explain why his departure is happening, he can explain it. Even so, at least give the guy a proper send off. Instead all he did was run off the insanely SHIT UFC 208 card that I have tickets to and might very well be the historically worst UFC PPV card on paper in history.
The Law
January 2nd, 2017, 2:03 PM
Who gives a fuck what her attitude is? If she'll draw money, bring her in. If not, don't. Rest of it is a bunch of bullshit. I bet Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather rubbed the boys the wrong way. And so did Mr. T. And every other celebrity who got brought in to wrestle. But if they made money for the company, it didn't fucking matter.
"Ronda's crazy." Mike Tyson was a convicted rapist who started a riot after he bit Evander Holyfield's fucking ear off. He was incredibly unreliable, showed up late, impossible to work with. Drew the biggest pay-per-view number in wrestling history to that point. Floyd Mayweather is a serial abuser of women and certified asshole. Drew a monster pay-per-view number.
If the price is right, bring her in for a match and see how it goes. It doesn't get over, she doesn't come back.
Mik
January 2nd, 2017, 2:46 PM
Ronda Rousey is nowhere near the type of mainstream draw that Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather are. They are both two of the most well-known people in the history of sports, Tyson managed to retain his hard man reputation despite beatings that he took when he was out of the prime of his career because he was a damaged human being who was still an absolute animal. Mayweather never lost. Neither of them ever got put over their knee and spanked in 48 seconds like Ronda just did. Neither of them ever ran out of the ring and refused to speak to the media like a stroppy child. Neither of them ever had the press turn on them the way that Rousey has as a result. Neither of them were ever as easy to take the piss out of as Rousey is. A lot of people wanted to see Rousey lose (not with Tyson, people always loved him) and people DID want Mayweather to get battered like Rousey has...but he never did. Rousey is literally a laughing stock now, she's a gif on social media. Mark Hammer is right, if Rousey came into the women's division, naturally the women would want to promo on that as an angle and Rousey will not let that happen, she didnt even do media because she didnt want to answer questions about it or face it...do you think she's going to allow it to be brought up in a much more piss-taking way in front of a larger national audiene? She would definitely create problems in the back because she would get battered twice and then go in as one of their biggest and highest paid stars who would DEFINITELY expect to be put over people who have been there for longer and almost certainly would want a Brock Lesnar style reduced schedule.
I'm not saying that it won't happen. I'm saying that it probably won't and that it most likely won't work if it did. Who even knows how much she does sell now week to week, I don't even know how well a PPV with her would do without her building a few wins back up again. I'm sure that if she was featured on a WWE PPV it would get some traction, but like CM Punk in the UFC that would soon disappear. She's not as attractive as a Diva, she doesn't have a great personality, she's not a great actress and doesn't have great mic skills. She'd be good in the ring with a little training and is clearly legit in terms of actual fighting ability, but is that enough for the WWE to spend a lot of money offering her a contact? I'm not sure.
Dom himself admitted that he was leaving himself open by coming forward more, but that was because Cody was sitting back more and making Dom push the action. It's a clever tactic if you're just as fast but hit harder, particularly if you're able to build up a little lead (like Cody had done by the end of the third round) because it also means that you're forcing them to chase you and become increasingly desperate, which played into what Dom would've already been wanting to do if he wanted to force Cody to move and see how his cardio held up. I'm a little surprised that Cruz didn't adapt to that considering how high a fight IQ he has, but I guess by the time he'd realised it wasn't working for him (ie round 3 where he got a bit lit up), it was too late because he was already at least 2-1 down and therefore needed to chase the last two rounds.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 7:39 PM
Who gives a fuck what her attitude is? If she'll draw money, bring her in. If not, don't. Rest of it is a bunch of bullshit. I bet Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather rubbed the boys the wrong way. And so did Mr. T. And every other celebrity who got brought in to wrestle. But if they made money for the company, it didn't fucking matter.
"Ronda's crazy." Mike Tyson was a convicted rapist who started a riot after he bit Evander Holyfield's fucking ear off. He was incredibly unreliable, showed up late, impossible to work with. Drew the biggest pay-per-view number in wrestling history to that point. Floyd Mayweather is a serial abuser of women and certified asshole. Drew a monster pay-per-view number.
If the price is right, bring her in for a match and see how it goes. It doesn't get over, she doesn't come back.
If of gets over then what?
When (not if) one of the divas pisses her off she'll remind that 'do nithing bitch' who the once ever human is. She would be poison to that lockeroom. Not that I even care about that, its just one of several reasons this is strictly a fantasy discussion.
Mik
January 2nd, 2017, 7:44 PM
I thought that the lack of a proper goodbye to Goldberg was conspicuous by its absence. Really don't see why it didn't happen.
virms
January 2nd, 2017, 7:46 PM
I would say they are sore about it. Seems like it happened pretty abruptly.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 7:46 PM
She's been pretty quiet since the fight. Disappointedno doubt, but it'll be interesting to see how she deals with it from here no matter what she ends up doing. If she tries a new career, she could be humble due to her experiences. I don't think it's a given she'll revert back to her bitchy attitude.
Mik
January 2nd, 2017, 7:50 PM
It's not revert back to, that IS her attitude.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 7:54 PM
It's not revert back to, that IS her attitude.
What I mean is, she's not showing that right now. She's been pretty quiet. Maybe she can change.
The Law
January 2nd, 2017, 8:03 PM
If of gets over then what?
When (not if) one of the divas pisses her off she'll remind that 'do nithing bitch' who the once ever human is. She would be poison to that lockeroom. Not that I even care about that, its just one of several reasons this is strictly a fantasy discussion.
If it gets over book her for more matches. And if somebody in the locker room has a problem you tell them tough shit. It's like if some chump was complaining about Tyson. Or Mayweather, or Karl Malone, or Dennis Rodman. Vince would have told them to fuck off.
Torn
January 2nd, 2017, 8:04 PM
The fact that she has been quiet since the fight (and before, since her first defeat) confirms her attitude rather than suggests she has changed in some way. Take notice of how Dominick Cruz took his loss in classy fashion in comparison, or how Conor dealt with his.
Fro
January 2nd, 2017, 8:11 PM
if she came to WWE she'd make a better heel.
Torn
January 2nd, 2017, 8:12 PM
No she would most likely be absolutely horrible as she can't act.
virms
January 2nd, 2017, 8:14 PM
She can be a Heyman girl then.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 8:14 PM
The fact that she has been quiet since the fight (and before, since her first defeat) confirms her attitude rather than suggests she has changed in some way. Take notice of how Dominick Cruz took his loss in classy fashion in comparison, or how Conor dealt with his.
I don't think it confirms anything personally. Sure, it would be nice if she gave Nunes a hearty well done afterwards, but because of the fashion in which it happened in and how she tried to shut herself off to completely focus beforehand, her pride is hurt right now and she's too crushed to talk. Other fighters have been consoling her. It's maybe gonna take a while, but she could eventually show humility. If she goes back to bitching about things, then fair enough.
Fro
January 2nd, 2017, 8:18 PM
No she would most likely be absolutely horrible as she can't act.
she already basically acts like a heel in MMA tho, she would just need to lean into it
The Law
January 2nd, 2017, 8:22 PM
she already basically acts like a heel in MMA tho, she would just need to lean into it
Yeah, she would literally be playing herself.
The Law
January 2nd, 2017, 8:25 PM
On another note, someone brought up the Rousey vs. Mayweather question the other day and was still on the "Rousey can beat him" train. I don't know what it will take for that to die.
Mik
January 2nd, 2017, 9:02 PM
On another note, someone brought up the Rousey vs. Mayweather question the other day and was still on the "Rousey can beat him" train. I don't know what it will take for that to die.
If he gets into clinching range then she definitely COULD. If she has trained her wrestling and learned the ability to shoot then she would've been in a better position to take down holm and nunes and if she got them on the floor who knows. But you saw what happened when she tried to walk forward and take down nunes. 99 times out of 100 floyd is knocking her out or shrugging her off and knocking her out.
I don't think it confirms anything personally. Sure, it would be nice if she gave Nunes a hearty well done afterwards, but because of the fashion in which it happened in and how she tried to shut herself off to completely focus beforehand, her pride is hurt right now and she's too crushed to talk. Other fighters have been consoling her. It's maybe gonna take a while, but she could eventually show humility. If she goes back to bitching about things, then fair enough.
Seriously badger, you don't follow mma all that much, you're on a forum with people who follow it a lot here. This is how Rousey is. She's got a bad attitude, she's not hugely likeable, she's a terrible loser, she's an ungracious winner, she's bullied and disrespected quite a few fighters and other people involved in mma for no particular reason other than to motivate herself at best (arianny Celeste she had a go at and threatened for no reason whatsoever other than probably jealousy), she's mentally unstable and she behaves like a spoiled child when things don't go her way. A lot of the mma media have turned on her because they have not enjoyed dealing with her.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 9:18 PM
If he gets into clinching range then she definitely COULD. If she has trained her wrestling and learned the ability to shoot then she would've been in a better position to take down holm and nunes and if she got them on the floor who knows. But you saw what happened when she tried to walk forward and take down nunes. 99 times out of 100 floyd is knocking her out or shrugging her off and knocking her out.
Seriously badger, you don't follow mma all that much, you're on a forum with people who follow it a lot here. This is how Rousey is. She's got a bad attitude, she's not hugely likeable, she's a terrible loser, she's an ungracious winner, she's bullied and disrespected quite a few fighters and other people involved in mma for no particular reason other than to motivate herself at best (arianny Celeste she had a go at and threatened for no reason whatsoever other than probably jealousy), she's mentally unstable and she behaves like a spoiled child when things don't go her way. A lot of the mma media have turned on her because they have not enjoyed dealing with her.
You're right, I don't follow MMA much but I have read what's going on through different sites not just here as it's drawn my interest. I never said she wasn't any of those things, but to me as a casual it's up in the air. Maybe it's my naive nature, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt in that they can change. Until she gets on the microphone, I'm staying on the fence.
Percussion
January 2nd, 2017, 10:06 PM
You're right, I don't follow MMA much but I have read what's going on through different sites not just here as it's drawn my interest. I never said she wasn't any of those things, but to me as a casual it's up in the air. Maybe it's my naive nature, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt in that they can change. Until she gets on the microphone, I'm staying on the fence.
She's given every bit of evidence for one type of behavior and absolutely zero for the behavior you're hoping for.
Benefit of the doubt doesn't just hinge on hoping for what you want to happen with this woman.
Oo, I think I see what's going on here..
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 10:14 PM
I don't know what the hell you're on about with that last comment. She's said nothing, maybe one piece of evidence that she wasn't gracious. If she gets on the mic and continues to be a strop, then I'll be more convinced.
Percussion
January 2nd, 2017, 10:27 PM
Badger, she's done nothing to warrant whatsoever benefit of the doubt. Absolutely nothing.
She's acted like a petulant fucking brat of a professional continuously and all you can say is ... 'ya, but if she's really a cunt this last time ...'
It's fucking on her to actually earn benefit of the doubt. She's backlogged on wank disgrace in the meantime.
Do you give this much benefit to actual people you interact with?
sam_elmendorf
January 2nd, 2017, 10:36 PM
This was on the front page of yahoo, she has broken her silence.
"
I want to say thank you to all of my fans who have been there for me in not only the greatest moments but in the most difficult ones. Words cannot convey how much your love and support means to me.
Returning to not just fighting, but winning, was my entire focus this past year. However, sometimes — even when you prepare and give everything you have and want something so badly — it doesn’t work how you planned. I take pride in seeing how far the women’s division has come in the UFC and commend all the other women who have been part of making this possible, including Amanda.
I need to take some time to reflect and think about the future. Thank you for believing in me and understanding."
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 10:37 PM
Percussion, my personal interactions are irrelevant. I'm new to MMA so I've not been as invested as much in her career. If Rousey's gone mute like this before and was a mouthy bitch again, then maybe it is a case of guilty until proven innocent. I'm merely speaking as a first-time observer.
And there you go, she speaks! Seems quite classy!
Percussion
January 2nd, 2017, 10:50 PM
A lot of us aren't new to MMA, and we've told you ad nauseam.
Of course personal interactions could have a relevance on why anyone would be so willing to forgive her entire history of being a massive cunt just because they want to hope for more. It speaks to maintaining a pattern of ignoring mountains of evidence simply for wanting to believe something so much that isn't at all true.
And yes, she spoke. Good for her. When scores of competitors in this sport before her have handled adversity with dignity and honor her majesty finally speaks. Well fucking bully for her. What a real role model for girls she is all of a sudden. Give me a break.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 10:53 PM
What I mean is, she's not showing that right now. She's been pretty quiet. Maybe she can change.
Shes not showing it because she and her camp have banned the media because the wrong question (ie the ones everyone would be asking) would set her off on another fit, guaranteed.
Did you not see her weigh-in vs Holly Holm who is an absolute sweetheart and never trash talks anyone? Or when Miesha Tate fully extended her hand in front of millions to congratulate her for winning their fight and Rousey turned her nose up dramatically before turning her back and strutting away? She is a horrible human being and your white knighting of her is bizarre considering I actually dont think youve seen a lot of her footage.
Badger
January 2nd, 2017, 11:01 PM
So what? Have I got to do my homework now? Of course I've not seen a lot of past footage, I'm new like I said and I'm not about to start reading up on every little thing she's done in the past. No I did not see the weigh-in with Holm or any ofvthat other stuff you mentioned. This is a current story that interests me, and I like to be optimistic despite her delayed response.
Mark Hammer
January 2nd, 2017, 11:03 PM
If he gets into clinching range then she definitely COULD. If she has trained her wrestling and learned the ability to shoot then she would've been in a better position to take down holm and nunes and if she got them on the floor who knows. But you saw what happened when she tried to walk forward and take down nunes. 99 times out of 100 floyd is knocking her out or shrugging her off and knocking her out.
Oh please Mik. How does Rousey even get into clinching range with Floyd Mayweather? While plodding straight forward on flat feet like she did vs Holly (and would have vs Nunes had Amanda danced circles like Holly instead of just fucking her up right away)?
Floyd wins a steaight boxing match and he wins a full MMA match. She wouldnt even touch him.
Mik
January 3rd, 2017, 7:01 AM
This was on the front page of yahoo, she has broken her silence.
"
I want to say thank you to all of my fans who have been there for me in not only the greatest moments but in the most difficult ones. Words cannot convey how much your love and support means to me.
Returning to not just fighting, but winning, was my entire focus this past year. However, sometimes — even when you prepare and give everything you have and want something so badly — it doesn’t work how you planned. I take pride in seeing how far the women’s division has come in the UFC and commend all the other women who have been part of making this possible, including Amanda.
I need to take some time to reflect and think about the future. Thank you for believing in me and understanding."
Percussion, my personal interactions are irrelevant. I'm new to MMA so I've not been as invested as much in her career. If Rousey's gone mute like this before and was a mouthy bitch again, then maybe it is a case of guilty until proven innocent. I'm merely speaking as a first-time observer.
And there you go, she speaks! Seems quite classy!
Again, when you've been around this sport long enough, you're able to recognise, like most of the mma media have, when a PR statement has been released by her agent. That is not written like Rousey, it's not published by Rousey, the fact that she hasn't gone to her own twitter to type this kind of thing herself speaks volumes about where she is at mentally.
So what? Have I got to do my homework now? Of course I've not seen a lot of past footage, I'm new like I said and I'm not about to start reading up on every little thing she's done in the past. No I did not see the weigh-in with Holm or any ofvthat other stuff you mentioned. This is a current story that interests me, and I like to be optimistic despite her delayed response.
No, you don't need to do your homework. You just need to stop beligerantly arguing with people who do their homework. Most of us on this thread have followed the sport for years, read about it daily, trawl the mma news sites, listen to podcasts, read articles by people who know the fighters, watch interviews with the fighters themselves. It's ignorant for you to come in and keep banging on with 'well maybe it's this way' from a position of no knowledge when you're in a crowd of people who KNOW that it isn't like that from a position of actual knowledge.
Mik
January 3rd, 2017, 7:03 AM
Oh please Mik. How does Rousey even get into clinching range with Floyd Mayweather? While plodding straight forward on flat feet like she did vs Holly (and would have vs Nunes had Amanda danced circles like Holly instead of just fucking her up right away)?
Floyd wins a steaight boxing match and he wins a full MMA match. She wouldnt even touch him.
Haha come on mark, I said one time in a hundred. If she manages to trip him or take him down he would struggle on the floor. Even if she just managed to give him a quick trip or a throw. He might be off balance or not expecting it since he doesn't train it. She definitely CAN beat Floyd like most mma fighters female and male can. Doesn't mean that she would very often.
Badger
January 3rd, 2017, 7:17 AM
I've said from the outset that people have the right to be skeptical and not denied she has a backlog of bad history. I wasn't trying to argue a whose right or wrong, just give my opinion from what I've seen recently. There's all likelihood that this could be a PR statement. I've read and watched other people in the sport console her after the fight and Dana do all the talking to her while she said nothing. I'm no MMA expert, but I've watched enough wrestling and other sports in general and bad athletes have reformed their ways. She is still of a young age, I'm only saying it's a possibility that this could be a breakthrough moment but I also realise she has a long way to go.
Mik
January 3rd, 2017, 7:22 AM
Okay.
OD50
January 3rd, 2017, 8:41 AM
How about something like Ronda/Charlotte vs. Miesha/Sasha? It'd be like Hogan/Rodman vs. DDP/Karl Malone back in the day.
Just throwing things out there..
Mik
January 3rd, 2017, 8:49 AM
I could see that working. I could also see it much more likely that Miesha Tate joined the WWE. She'd be cheaper as she never got big pay in the UFC, she didn't suffer any completely humiliating losses, she was the former UFC champion and therefore has credibility and genuine toughness, she beat the woman who beat Ronda Rousey, she's got decent name value and some mainstream recognition (she has done the ESPN body issue cover too), she's not a complete bitch and seems to get on quite well with other women...and she looks more like a diva.
Badger
January 3rd, 2017, 8:49 AM
How about something like Ronda/Charlotte vs. Miesha/Sasha? It'd be like Hogan/Rodman vs. DDP/Karl Malone back in the day.
Just throwing things out there..
Could also work with Bayley instead of Sasha. Kinda sick of Sasha vs Charlotte.
OD50
January 3rd, 2017, 9:08 AM
Not watching WWE at the moment so I just threw some names out there that sounded right, whatever girls are on top at the time. :yes:
Bayley and Miesha vs Charlotte and Ronda is brilliant though, two sweethearts against two complete bitches, one kayfabe and one IRL of course, but whatever works. :lol:
OD50
January 3rd, 2017, 9:12 AM
The problem is that I can guarantee that Ronda would never agree to play the heel. She sees herself as a cross between mother Theresa and Wonder Woman..
Badger
January 3rd, 2017, 9:38 AM
Not watching WWE at the moment so I just threw some names out there that sounded right, whatever girls are on top at the time. :yes:
Bayley and Miesha vs Charlotte and Ronda is brilliant though, two sweethearts against two complete bitches, one kayfabe and one IRL of course, but whatever works. :lol:
Sasha and Charlotte have fought multiple times in Falls Count Anywhere, Iron Man, HITC lately. There's not much left for them to do at this point. Bayley and Charlotte have a title match coming up, and say Bayley gets screwed then she could get her revenge here.
son_of_foley
January 3rd, 2017, 10:16 AM
Sasha and Charlotte have fought multiple times in Falls Count Anywhere, Iron Man, HITC lately. There's not much left for them to do at this point. Bayley and Charlotte have a title match coming up, and say Bayley gets screwed then she could get her revenge here.
It's a spectacle Badger with 2 MMA Champions in a fantasy booking scenario. I think you're taking this to heart a little too much
Spedizzo
January 3rd, 2017, 10:21 AM
so uhhh
who wants to see Cyborg vs. Ronda????
would it even be sanctioned by the athletic commission if Cyborg were able to cut the weight or Ronda went up?
it can be like Summerslam 2002. Unsanctioned street fight between HBK/HHH. But still for some reason has an official referee in the match
Eric Bischoff: I will never sanction your match Ronda, it'll never happen
Badger
January 3rd, 2017, 10:34 AM
It's a spectacle Badger with 2 MMA Champions in a fantasy booking scenario. I think you're taking this to heart a little too much
Fantasy booking can still be critiqued surely? I'm wholly on board with the general idea and spectacle, I only suggested one of the participants be changed. Not a big deal. :yes:
Mark Hammer
January 3rd, 2017, 10:55 AM
So what? Have I got to do my homework now? Of course I've not seen a lot of past footage, I'm new like I said and I'm not about to start reading up on every little thing she's done in the past. No I did not see the weigh-in with Holm or any ofvthat other stuff you mentioned. This is a current story that interests me, and I like to be optimistic despite her delayed response.
I'm not saying you have to do your homework but when you haven't you can't argue with a bunch of people who have.
You're interested in Rousey, so why not check the weigh in vs Holly Holm on YouTube. You'll see why her head kick KO the following night was so satisfying.
Badger
January 3rd, 2017, 11:10 AM
Okay I will. :yes:
Nash Diesel
January 3rd, 2017, 11:19 AM
40+ seconds. Wow.
Cody winning the belt. Wow.
I figured Ronda would have lasted longer than 40 seconds.
OD50
January 3rd, 2017, 12:44 PM
The question for me is how would a Ronda/Cyborg fight look like in 2017? Surely Cyborg is as skilled, if not more so than Nunes, and a lot more powerful as well. Destruction?
If Ronda doesn't retire, which I guess is fairly possible, anyone think that she'll move up to 145 to fight the Holm/Randamie winner?
Nash Diesel
January 3rd, 2017, 12:52 PM
It is kind of sad in a way that it's not even "I wonder who Ronda will fight to get her back on the winning track" it's "does she retire?" I mean, yes, she has a shit ton of money but she doesn't have all this shit in Hollywood set up. Road House is on the back burner, she's not going to be in that Mark Wahlberg movie. So what does she have going on for herself outside of MMA? I can't even say it was her camp, she got hit in like 15 seconds and was all "What the fuck just happened?" Sure she could change camps, maybe it would help to mix it up. I'd like to her fight again for sure.
Percussion
January 3rd, 2017, 1:00 PM
I'd be surprised if she fights again. Not shocked, but surprised definitely.
She's got to have a head like a bag of cats right now. Stepping back in the cage would only set them all off again.
She needs to see a sports psychologist before she see's another opponent standing across from her who's capable of shitting down her neck.
OD50
January 3rd, 2017, 1:03 PM
She definitely needs to get faar away from Edmund if she ever wants to have success again. Dude is a con artist and he's made her think she can box with Floyd Mayweather ffs..
OD50
January 3rd, 2017, 1:08 PM
Overeem "humbled" himself and joined a proper team in Jackson-Wink, and he was way off better for it. He was a star that had his own team centred just around him previous, just like Ronda. It's usually not good to be the star with nobody around challenging you, coaches nor teammates.
Nash Diesel
January 3rd, 2017, 1:16 PM
Yeah Ronda's mentality after that Holm loss says it all as it pertains to what she said on the Ellen show. Suicidal thoughts? It's not like she won the Gold at the Olympics so something tells me she's dealt with loss before, but the flipside is,,,,,how did she deal with those losses? I blame everyone that was feeding into her hype. Her trainers, the UFC, her fans, her peers. Up until Holm, the majority were like "Yeah you know what, she could probably take Bryan Caraway in a real fight, she could take Floyd, she could probably even take Anderson."
PurePlayer
January 3rd, 2017, 1:22 PM
It is kind of sad in a way that it's not even "I wonder who Ronda will fight to get her back on the winning track" it's "does she retire?" I mean, yes, she has a shit ton of money but she doesn't have all this shit in Hollywood set up. Road House is on the back burner, she's not going to be in that Mark Wahlberg movie. So what does she have going on for herself outside of MMA? I can't even say it was her camp, she got hit in like 15 seconds and was all "What the fuck just happened?" Sure she could change camps, maybe it would help to mix it up. I'd like to her fight again for sure.
WWE
Badger
January 3rd, 2017, 1:25 PM
I'm not saying you have to do your homework but when you haven't you can't argue with a bunch of people who have.
You're interested in Rousey, so why not check the weigh in vs Holly Holm on YouTube. You'll see why her head kick KO the following night was so satisfying.
Okay I rewatched it plus the fight itself and noticed she didn't touch gloves. No doubt she had got what was coming to her. Holm has some abs on her too.
Is it generally a case of Ronda's ego being inflated by her own camp and they kinda tell her to act like that, or is it all her own doing? Either way, I hope she gets her head straight.
virms
January 3rd, 2017, 1:36 PM
WWE
Send her to TNA and let broken Matt Hardy fix her.
Mark Hammer
January 3rd, 2017, 1:42 PM
Okay I rewatched it plus the fight itself and noticed she didn't touch gloves. No doubt she had got what was coming to her. Holm has some abs on her too.
Is it generally a case of Ronda's ego being inflated by her own camp and they kinda tell her to act like that, or is it all her own doing? Either way, I hope she gets her head straight.
A combination of both but she lapped up everything her yes men ever told her, which may have been her detriment as she fell in love with her awful striking when she was told she could outbox Mayweather.
Nash Diesel
January 3rd, 2017, 1:50 PM
Okay I rewatched it plus the fight itself and noticed she didn't touch gloves. No doubt she had got what was coming to her. Holm has some abs on her too.
Is it generally a case of Ronda's ego being inflated by her own camp and they kinda tell her to act like that, or is it all her own doing? Either way, I hope she gets her head straight.
This is a question I asked myself years ago when I first saw her in Strikeforce. In Strikeforce, the first time I saw her she didn't talk, I was actually drawn to her as a fighter because she had my main man Judo Gene Lebell in her corner and he had a stop watch that timed her fight, it was fucking cool. And this was when she was on Challengers which to put it in wrestling terms would be like someone wrestling on Superstars or Main Event before getting to wrestle on Raw/Smackdown/ppv. The first time I noticed her "attitude" was leading up to the first Tate fight and Ronda at the time was also training with the Diaz brothers so I thought she was just trying to be a female Nick Diaz. She's talking shit about women in MMA, people like Tate, Gina Carano, because they pose in magazines and dress sexy and she was above that (funny how as she got more popular the things she shit on Tate would become a staple of her career).
As time went on I realized this is no act, this is just how she is. She really did herself zero favors coaching Ultimate Fighter. This is where we started to see the immature Ronda. Throwing a bitch fit because Cat was injured and Tate took her place as the coach, giving Tate a rematch against Rousey (Rousey beat her in Strikeforce a few years prior) Tate and Rousey were at each other non-stop and Rousey just acted like such a tool. And part of that was due to Tate's bf Bryan Caraway being an idiot, talking stupid shit, the guy lucked out having a chick like Tate. But Tate talked a lot of shit too which is why I had no issue with Ronda not shaking her hand after their 2nd fight.
The Holm shit the night before at the weigh in was odd. There was zero heat going into the weigh ins, they were both extremely cordial to each other and then for some odd reason the shit about blew up and came to blows and I still don't know why Ronda felt at the last second to start something other than someone put her up to it. Holm at the time was ranked #7, had zero top 10 wins, couple boring fights. She got the nod when it was supposed to be Tate who was promised on air the next shot but the UFC didn't want to kill a 3rd fight since the 2nd fight had just happened a year prior. They (Dana) was like, "if Tate loses a 3rd time she's done!" basically....The fight was also supposed to happen in February but was pushed up to November. So I think that someone felt the card wouldn't draw well without that last second "scuffle" and the card actually did pretty well with the buyrate, 900, maybe 1 million I can't remember for sure.
So with that quick history lesson I just think she's willing to play it up but she's really like this when it comes to competition.
OD50
January 3rd, 2017, 1:50 PM
A combination of both but she lapped up everything her yes men ever told her, which may have been her detriment as she fell in love with her awful striking when she was told she could outbox Mayweather.
Hey now, I bet even Ali himself would tell Ronda she's the greatest if he could see this..
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FamiliarGlamorousFulmar-size_restricted.gif
Nash Diesel
January 3rd, 2017, 1:54 PM
WWE
Does she though?
The shit narrative we will hear from some will be "she couldn't cut it in real fighting so she's taking a stab at fake fighting" EVEN THOUGH the talks of having her come over were well before she lost even her first fight.
I don't even know if I've ever been that high on seeing her in the WWE.
Badger
January 3rd, 2017, 1:57 PM
Appreciate the rundown Nash. :yes:
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 1:23 PM
Was Ronda not doing media really that big of a deal? And I mean that in the sense of you have so many fighters talking about how she didn't do media and then transition that comment to how it affected her in the fight. What I realized is that within 10 seconds, it didn't matter if she did media or not, she was on queer street lol. She could have done 100 interviews, it didn't fucking matter but you have some fighters and fans acting like this was something that played into the loss.
Percussion
January 5th, 2017, 1:26 PM
I haven't heard anyone say that her not doing media contributed to her getting waxed.
Certainly heard people criticize her not doing the rounds, and rightfully so, but not make a direct causal link from the media blackout to the defeat.
OD50
January 5th, 2017, 1:38 PM
I think this was a case of if Royce Gracie circa 1993 ran into Chuck Liddell circa 2003.
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 2:58 PM
I haven't heard anyone say that her not doing media contributed to her getting waxed.
Certainly heard people criticize her not doing the rounds, and rightfully so, but not make a direct causal link from the media blackout to the defeat.
There's quite a few youtube vids of different people talking about her not doing media and how it relates to her losing. Here's one of Frank Mir for example and you can just use the side bar to find related videos from people like Schaub and others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO5K9P8rOd4
I think this was a case of if Royce Gracie circa 1993 ran into Chuck Liddell circa 2003.
haha.
You know I just wonder if this was a case of Amanda Nunes has just been piecing it together and is now going to be the beast of a fighter. She's always been someone who was a little under the radar. I remember people, on this board and everywhere else, being negative toward Tate taking the fight against Nunes as opposed to rematching Holly Holm. Tate said she felt A-Nunes was deserving and B-was a dangerous fighter and she wasn't wrong. I just think people didn't know who she was or maybe they saw the Cat fight and thought naw she will tire out and lose. Nunes has ran through, imo, the 2 most popular WMMA fighters of all time sans Gina Carano, back to back.
Now imagine Nunes v. Cyborg.
OD50
January 5th, 2017, 3:09 PM
I think Nunes has improved a lot because of joining ATT? Could be wrong.
/I actually was there when she fough Cat Zingano, had almost forgot about that. I remember being impressed, I did not know anything about her and she really took it to Zingano.
http://i67.tinypic.com/ndlzjl.jpg
Percussion
January 5th, 2017, 3:17 PM
There's quite a few youtube vids of different people talking about her not doing media and how it relates to her losing. Here's one of Frank Mir for example and you can just use the side bar to find related videos from people like Schaub and others.
There was nothing in that vid whatsoever saying that she lost because of her not doing media before the fight.
virms
January 5th, 2017, 3:17 PM
Didn't Nunes lose that fight? I know Cat beat her bloody and won in one fight. Not sure how many times they have met up.
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 3:20 PM
Didn't Nunes lose that fight? I know Cat beat her bloody and won in one fight. Not sure how many times they have met up.
Yeah she started off strong in the first and gassed out and got finished in the 3rd I believe.
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 3:21 PM
There was nothing in that vid whatsoever saying that she lost because of her not doing media before the fight.
You're also someone who is unable to read between the lines.
Percussion
January 5th, 2017, 3:23 PM
You're also someone who is unable to read between the lines.
There was nothing there to read between. The entire discussion was directed solely at the backlash of what kind of sport she's viewed as in both the blackout beforehand and her avoidance after.
OD50
January 5th, 2017, 3:24 PM
Ok, after some searching it seems she joined ATT after the Zingano loss, she's 5-0 since. Only red flag is, that if AKA is the most injury plagued gym, ATT seems to be the one with the most failed steroid tests..
OD50
January 5th, 2017, 3:26 PM
Didn't Nunes lose that fight? I know Cat beat her bloody and won in one fight. Not sure how many times they have met up.
For sure. Cat was getting beat up but showed tremendous heart and came back and TKO'd Nunes. It was amazing, I was rooting for Zingano, she's a cool cat.
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 3:27 PM
Ok, after some searching it seems she joined ATT after the Zingano loss, she's 5-0 since. Only red flag is, that if AKA is the most injury plagued gym, ATT seems to be the one with the most failed steroid tests..
Brother.....Don't think for one second I wasn't thinking Nunes might be the first female champion to be flagged for a possible failed USADA test. It's either that or she's the 135 Cyborg. Seriously, look at Nunes. She's not a freak of nature, but she looks like she might be taking something not on the list.
Mark Hammer
January 5th, 2017, 3:43 PM
Not really. She looks like that because she is a masculine lesbian. She doesn't lool yoked like Cyborg by any means.
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 3:53 PM
I've decided to take the Diaz Bros. approach and just say if you have abs you're on steroids.
Makes it easier that way. I used to be a wait and comment after the facts are out there but 2017, I've decided to turn over a new leaf and just go with the idea that everyone from Brazil is on some form of PED and if you have abs, you're cheating.
OD50
January 5th, 2017, 3:56 PM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Claudia-Gadelha.jpg
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 3:59 PM
Yeah that's not from Crossfit. Damn she's so fucking hot.
Speaking of hot. Check out Angela Lee.
Mark Hammer
January 5th, 2017, 4:19 PM
Yeah that's pretty retarded. Everybody has abs; when they're visible it's because there's no fat covering them. Everything to do with diet and nothing to do with steroids.
Adams apples, deep voices, strong defined jaws on women, those are tell tell signs. Being in shape however does not necessarily mean steroids.
Percussion
January 5th, 2017, 4:27 PM
Mark you're just unable to read between the abs..
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 4:30 PM
Yeah that's pretty retarded. Everybody has abs; when they're visible it's because there's no fat covering them. Everything to do with diet and nothing to do with steroids.
Adams apples, deep voices, strong defined jaws on women, those are tell tell signs. Being in shape however does not necessarily mean steroids.
Nunes and Claudia kind of fall into those tell tell signs. Especially Nunes. But she looks like an ape. Maybe she's part ape?
Mark you're just unable to read between the abs..
He's blinded by Claudia's beauty. It happens.
OD50
January 5th, 2017, 4:34 PM
Is Claudia lesbian? Serious question, curious.
I agree that she is hot as hell, abs and all.
Nash Diesel
January 5th, 2017, 4:53 PM
I don't know. I thought JJ might be on that season of TUF they coached because there was some girl on JJ's team that she just gushed over, got all red in the face and smiling. Wish I could remember who it was.
OD50
January 5th, 2017, 5:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qFx1PZX.gif
Harsh..?
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