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Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 10:33 AM
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UFC 203
LIVE! SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2016
Quickens Loans Arena in Cleveland, OH

Main Card
Main Event
UFC Heavyweight Championship
Stipe Miocic v. Alistair Overeem

Fabricio Werdum v. Travis Browne (HW)
CM Punk v. Mickey Gall (WW)
Urijah Faber v. Jimmie Rivera (BW)
Jessica Andrade v. Joanne Calderwood (SW)

Prelims (FS1)
Bethe Correria v. Jessica Eye (BW)
Nik Lentz v. Michael McBride (FW)
Caio Magalhaes v. Brad Tavares (MW)
Ian McCall v. Ray Borg (FLW)

Prelims (UFC FIGHT PASS)
Yancy Medeiros v. Sean Spencer (WW)
CB Dolloway v. Francimar Barroso (LHW)
Drew Dober v. Jason Gonzalez (LW)

Murphy
September 7th, 2016, 10:35 AM
Torn between wanting a Punk win and wanting to see his face caved in.

Either way, yep, going to watch this.

Spedizzo
September 7th, 2016, 10:45 AM
I was a Punk hater on here for about a year +

I have seen the Evolution of Punk and my tuned has changed slightly

I think he will get his ass kicked do not get me wrong, and he is without a doubt a delusional twat

But I think I am slightly pulling for the guy

He is working hard, extremely humble, and Mickey Gall is an arrogant guy in his own right

The MMA community is shitting hard on the WWE fans right now and really giving Punk a hard time. I don't think he has a chance in hell, but I do hope he can somehow pull it out. I want this media circus to continue for another PPV

Mickey Gall is a really hard test for Punk. It is a shame they couldn't give him a declining Houston Alexander type fighter instead. Mickey is a young, unproven but ferocious kid

Spedizzo
September 7th, 2016, 10:59 AM
double post

Spedizzo
September 7th, 2016, 11:00 AM
The heavyweight fights are toss-ups to me.

I guess I will lean slightly on Stipe if he can somehow utilize his wrestling which he probably won't. But Overeem has looked awesome lately. I think Stipe will win but that means nothing.

Same goes for Werdum vs. Browne. Werdum sometimes forgets he is the greatest heavyweight jiu-jitsu specialist in the world and thinks he is in a K1 grand prix which might cause him to get knocked out. I lean slightly Werdum, but Browne can just as easily win it.

Any heavyweight who stands and bangs as their primary method of victory is out of their mind. This is a big reason why Cain is probably the best heavyweight in the world. He uses strikes to set up his wrestling and pressure. He doesn't stand and bang for the sake of it

Mickey Gall theoretically should blitz CM Punk and kick his ass as he has done to everyone else (despite small small sample size). We don't know much on either guy. This is a freak show fight that the world is waiting for. I don't see how Punk can stop this guys takedowns since Punk's takedown defense looked non existant. Punk also was getting submitted from white belt positions although he is now a purple belt which is no joke either. Maybe the pressure of the moment and the big lights gets Mickey a little nervous. Maybe he eats it up and it makes him better. Fuck knows. The kid looks confident as anyone I have ever seen. But so has Todd Duffee.

Don't know anything on Jimmie Rivera. Has a good record, Faber prolly wins or his career is done

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 11:26 AM
If Overeem didn't finish Dos Santos I'd be pulling hard for Stipe but that was a huge fucking win for ANYONE. Only 1 guy in the UFC has finished JDS and that's Cain V. If Overeem wins, that's basically cementing his status as one of the top 5 HW's of this era. But Stipe has looked very good as well.

Browne is kind of like Overeem in the sense that he has all these tools but sometimes fumbles hard even when he's winning. Maybe he'll bust out those nasty elbows that waxed Barnett and Gonzaga. Werdum is just so complete though, I don't know if Browne will be able to fuck with him this time around.

I'm hoping Punk wins. I've seen guys older than him come into MMA and do well on the local circuit. Just because Gall is with a solid team and now in the UFC with only 2 fights doesn't mean he's somehow this elite fighter. There are guys with 20 fights who are in the UFC that aren't exactly the creme of the crop. With that said, if Punk can stay calm and not crumble when he gets rocked and taken down, he might be able to pull off a submission as his ground game isn't terrible. But with 4oz. gloves, Gall could walk right into a big uppercut and go to sleep.

Faber should win this one. Faber to my knowledge, has only lost in title fights and to Frankie Edgar in like 10 years.

I'm hoping Calderwood gets the W. Something about her just makes me like her. She's tough, and her voice is soothing.

Mark Hammer
September 7th, 2016, 11:43 AM
I forgot that the co-main was originally supposed to be Werdum/Rothwell instead of the stupid rematch vs Travis Browne. Browne is very unlikable so I hope he loses.

Mark Hammer
September 7th, 2016, 11:45 AM
I was a Punk hater on here for about a year +

I have seen the Evolution of Punk and my tuned has changed slightly

I think he will get his ass kicked do not get me wrong, and he is without a doubt a delusional twat

But I think I am slightly pulling for the guy

He is working hard, extremely humble, and Mickey Gall is an arrogant guy in his own right

The MMA community is shitting hard on the WWE fans right now and really giving Punk a hard time. I don't think he has a chance in hell, but I do hope he can somehow pull it out. I want this media circus to continue for another PPV

Mickey Gall is a really hard test for Punk. It is a shame they couldn't give him a declining Houston Alexander type fighter instead. Mickey is a young, unproven but ferocious kid

Yeah, the widespread disdain of pro wrestling and it's fans from most MMA fans is the reason I want Punk to win. I don't see it happening whatsoever though.

It's weird how many wrestling fans want Punk to lose. I'm thinking maybe it stems from bitterness over him leaving?

Mark Hammer
September 7th, 2016, 11:47 AM
Same goes for Werdum vs. Browne. Werdum sometimes forgets he is the greatest heavyweight jiu-jitsu specialist in the world and thinks he is in a K1 grand prix which might cause him to get knocked out. I lean slightly Werdum, but Browne can just as easily win it.


I'm pretty sure Werdum beat Browne the first time primarily with his striking. He actually has good standup and was holding his own (sometimes getting the better of the exchanges) when he stood with Overeem. Of course his last fight he charged forward with his chin in the air like an idiot and got KTFO.

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 12:46 PM
Yeah, the widespread disdain of pro wrestling and it's fans from most MMA fans is the reason I want Punk to win. I don't see it happening whatsoever though.

It's weird how many wrestling fans want Punk to lose. I'm thinking maybe it stems from bitterness over him leaving?

That's part of why I want him to win, just so these motherfuckers who are so over the top with their hatred toward Punk can eat crow. I mean, I get why a fighter would be negative, even using the "they don't see the big picture" argument because to a lot of guys....This is a sport that they love to do and while they might not have the gift to gab or look a certain way or come from another sport/form of entertainment, they still want to make money and make a living doing this. Now me personally I don't see any real harm in Punk being in the UFC. I don't remember hearing of any kind of concrete reasoning as to why someone can or can't be in the UFC. Great, you wrestled in high school, great you have been studying BJJ for 5 years, awesome you specifically went to an MMA gym to train aspects of MMA and had a fight prior to getting signed. That's all great, but it doesn't mean if CM Punk didn't do those things he has no business being in the company. Being a black belt in BJJ doesn't mean you deserve to be in the UFC any more than CM Punk.


I'm pretty sure Werdum beat Browne the first time primarily with his striking. He actually has good standup and was holding his own (sometimes getting the better of the exchanges) when he stood with Overeem. Of course his last fight he charged forward with his chin in the air like an idiot and got KTFO.

Yep. I'm not sure if Browne has what it takes to hang with the true elite of the division. He did alright in that first fight but I think he gassed after the first round and just couldn't get anything going.

McBain
September 7th, 2016, 1:05 PM
I don't see him winning either but credit to the guy he'll have given it his best. I really hope he can somehow pull it off but sadly for him I think he's joined this game way to late on in life.

McBain
September 7th, 2016, 1:06 PM
Also can someone clarify - this Miocic guy - is he in the same weight class as Lesnar? I've never heard of him, no one seems to care about him but he's a champion. What gives?

Percussion
September 7th, 2016, 1:12 PM
That's part of why I want him to win, just so these motherfuckers who are so over the top with their hatred toward Punk can eat crow. I mean, I get why a fighter would be negative, even using the "they don't see the big picture" argument because to a lot of guys....This is a sport that they love to do and while they might not have the gift to gab or look a certain way or come from another sport/form of entertainment, they still want to make money and make a living doing this. Now me personally I don't see any real harm in Punk being in the UFC. I don't remember hearing of any kind of concrete reasoning as to why someone can or can't be in the UFC. Great, you wrestled in high school, great you have been studying BJJ for 5 years, awesome you specifically went to an MMA gym to train aspects of MMA and had a fight prior to getting signed. That's all great, but it doesn't mean if CM Punk didn't do those things he has no business being in the company. Being a black belt in BJJ doesn't mean you deserve to be in the UFC any more than CM Punk.

It's kind of a tricky deal. Certainly a BJJ black belt or a NCAA wrestling champion have more credibility in MMA than a tv-famed pro wrestler. And credibility is key in the establishment of UFC from barroom toughman carny show of yesteryear to the mainstream ESPN-partnered sport we see today. But UFC is a privately owned company and if they wanna have Big Bird step in the octagon, and an athletic commission deems a fair matchup, then it's their prerogative to do so. Of course they run the risk of upsetting some percentage of their fanbase, but that's those fans right to decide what kind of product they want to spend their money freely on. UFC knows they're walking a fine line with bringing in a complete celeb novice like Punk. It's also as close to that line as their likely willing to tread on and so it doesn't have to be the end of the world (or MMA as we know it).

I don't fault fans for criticizing the move, it's just fairly criticisable. Those fans that want to rant and rave like it's the undoing of the sport are worth wanting to see jump out of a window if Punk should win though. Sherdog may shut down for good. And kinda thank fuck really.

Mark Hammer
September 7th, 2016, 1:14 PM
Also can someone clarify - this Miocic guy - is he in the same weight class as Lesnar? I've never heard of him, no one seems to care about him but he's a champion. What gives?

Yeah, he's a HW. Not nearly as big as Brock though, Brock has to cut weight just to make the 265lb limit. He's not over at all but he's one hell of a fighter. Very athletic for the weight class. He went on a little tear securing a title shot and the prior champion (Fabricio Werdum, who is in the co-main) ran at him like a fool allowing Miocic the opportunity to clock him on the chin for a lovely KO and new champ. This is Stipe's first title defense.

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 1:16 PM
Also can someone clarify - this Miocic guy - is he in the same weight class as Lesnar? I've never heard of him, no one seems to care about him but he's a champion. What gives?

He's a guy who has kind of been under the radar even though he's had some very impressive wins. I think if you follow the UFC closely he's a guy you know but if you're someone who watches only when the big big fights are going down like if Lesnar is involved or McGregor or Rousey, you probably don't know him or a lot of other top tier fighters.

I think the big downside for UFC 203 is that we've had a string of really big events over the last 4-5 months and so it's hard I think for people to stay invested and excited for each and every show. There are like 50 UFC events a year counting ppv, Fox Sports, and Fight Pass events and while I love it, I think it definitely prevents the more casual fan from getting to know a lot of top guys unless they're fighting guys who were established before 2012 or have the UFC hype machine behind them ala McGregor, Rousey, you could throw in Paige Van Zant in the mix even though she's not a top tier fighter.

Beer-Belly
September 7th, 2016, 1:16 PM
I like Stipe. He seems like a genuinely good dude. Plus, I think he likes pro wrestling.

Mark Hammer
September 7th, 2016, 1:21 PM
He's a guy who has kind of been under the radar even though he's had some very impressive wins. I think if you follow the UFC closely he's a guy you know but if you're someone who watches only when the big big fights are going down like if Lesnar is involved or McGregor or Rousey, you probably don't know him or a lot of other top tier fighters.

I think the big downside for UFC 203 is that we've had a string of really big events over the last 4-5 months and so it's hard I think for people to stay invested and excited for each and every show. There are like 50 UFC events a year counting ppv, Fox Sports, and Fight Pass events and while I love it, I think it definitely prevents the more casual fan from getting to know a lot of top guys unless they're fighting guys who were established before 2012 or have the UFC hype machine behind them ala McGregor, Rousey, you could throw in Paige Van Zant in the mix even though she's not a top tier fighter.

You can't fairly attribute Conor's success to the UFC hype machine. Rousey absolutely but McGregor earned his spot by being a phenomenal and exciting fighter with the remarkable gift of gab and ability to get people interested in his fights. Rousey's big because she's a good fighter and Dana White has a hard-on for her, telling people she could beat all the men (and those people actually believing it).

I don't agree that PVZ isn't top tier. She's one of the best in her division and she's only like 21. Plus that karate kid knockout on Bec Rawlings... obviously Rawlings isn't a wonderful fighter but that was one of the prettiest knockouts I've ever seen, and from such an unassuming young woman.

Percussion
September 7th, 2016, 1:24 PM
I like Stipe. He seems like a genuinely good dude. Plus, I think he likes pro wrestling.

And I just heard him say he'll eat 20 bucks worth of taco bell in one sitting while out of training.

That's overcoming adversity to be a champion.

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 1:28 PM
It's kind of a tricky deal. Certainly a BJJ black belt or a NCAA wrestling champion have more credibility in MMA than a tv-famed pro wrestler. And credibility is key in the establishment of UFC from barroom toughman carny show of yesteryear to the mainstream ESPN-partnered sport we see today. But UFC is a privately owned company and if they wanna have Big Bird step in the octagon, and an athletic commission deems a fair matchup, then it's their prerogative to do so. Of course they run the risk of upsetting some percentage of their fanbase, but that's those fans right to decide what kind of product they want to spend their money freely on. UFC knows they're walking a fine line with bringing in a complete celeb novice like Punk. It's also as close to that line as their likely willing to tread on and so it doesn't have to be the end of the world (or MMA as we know it).

I don't fault fans for criticizing the move, it's just fairly criticisable. Those fans that want to rant and rave like it's the undoing of the sport are worth wanting to see jump out of a window if Punk should win though. Sherdog may shut down for good. And kinda thank fuck really.

The thing is, and this is just like with pro wrestling, those fans that are so hellbent on seeing Punk lose and wanting to tell pro wrestling fans to get fuck themselves, those are the fans that are going to order the ppv anyway, to see that happen or to see the card in general. It's like a wrestling fan who hates how the WWE is using Dean Ambrose or Cesaro and they hate Roman Reigns, but they're watching Raw every week, they have the Network and watch every ppv religiously.

And what I meant by the whole BJJ black belt, etc. comment was simply that you could be that, but that doesn't mean you're going to do any better than CM Punk. Maybe back in 1993-1994. It definitely helps the credibility aspect if they can say "This guy was an NCAA wrestling champion" or "This guy was a golden gloves champion back in 2007". That goes back to fighters and fans who respect the hell out of the sport aspect, and not so much the entertainment aspect. Shit there are a lot of fans who hate shit that Anderson Silva does in the cage with the dancing so I get it for sure.

With Punk, FOR ME, it goes back to Herschel Walker. Herschel Walker was one of my favorite football players as a kid/young teen. There are people who think that is acceptable enough to warrant a spot in a big MMA promotion. He had been training BJJ for a little while, not daily or even monthly, very similar to CM Punk. And there are pro football players that have said pro wrestling is harder than anything they've ever done. Pro wrestling, scripted as it may be, is a very physically demanding form of entertainment and all you have to do is talk to King Mo, Josh Barnett, a few others and they'll tell you just how much of a toll it can take on your body. So I think that CM Punk while not having a legit competition background, he was still doing something that was extremely physical that took years off his life. I mean if Matt Mitrione gets a pass because he played in the NFL for a few years, why can't CM Punk? The NFL and MMA have nothing in common in terms of being able to go "Well he did this in the NFL that benefits him in MMA" in terms of punching, kicking, TDD, submission defense, etc.

Beer-Belly
September 7th, 2016, 1:33 PM
Yeah, the widespread disdain of pro wrestling and it's fans from most MMA fans is the reason I want Punk to win. I don't see it happening whatsoever though.

It's weird how many wrestling fans want Punk to lose. I'm thinking maybe it stems from bitterness over him leaving?

I'm not bitter over him leaving at all. He had every right to leave WWE. GBF summed up Punk superbly in the "CM Punk quits WWE, joins UFC" thread when he called him an "unlikeable, arrogant, blowhard". Punk is a bitter, delusional asshole who apparently has no issue alienating himself from long time friends over perceived slights. The man throws hissy fits over being asked by reporters about his transition from pro wrestling to MMA despite that being one of the few relevant questions he can be asked. He's a prick and his act is tired and irritating.

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 1:35 PM
You can't fairly attribute Conor's success to the UFC hype machine. Rousey absolutely but McGregor earned his spot by being a phenomenal and exciting fighter with the remarkable gift of gab and ability to get people interested in his fights. Rousey's big because she's a good fighter and Dana White has a hard-on for her, telling people she could beat all the men (and those people actually believing it).

I don't agree that PVZ isn't top tier. She's one of the best in her division and she's only like 21. Plus that karate kid knockout on Bec Rawlings... obviously Rawlings isn't a wonderful fighter but that was one of the prettiest knockouts I've ever seen, and from such an unassuming young woman.

When you haven't even fought and you are sitting in the front row with Dana and Lorenzo, I think there was definitely intentions to push McGregor. It wasn't like he came from Strikeforce or had a single known name on his win list. Nothing wrong with having the hype machine, Chuck Liddell had it as well, Jon Jones, etc. So yeah don't take the term "hype machine" as a negative.

Rousey was making a name well before she came to the UFC, which is why the UFC decided to create a women's division in the first place because Strikeforce was putting women on the map with Gina, Cyborg, and then Ronda v. Tate which is what convinced Dana to bring them to the UFC.

When PVZ beats a top 5 fighter THEN I will say she's one of the best. It's still pretty early and I think she could definitely be a top tier fighter sooner than later.

McBain
September 7th, 2016, 1:37 PM
I'm not bitter over him leaving at all. He had every right to leave WWE. GBF summed up Punk superbly in the "CM Punk quits WWE, joins UFC" thread when he called him an "unlikeable, arrogant, blowhard". Punk is a bitter, delusional asshole who apparently has no issue alienating himself from long time friends over perceived slights. The man throws hissy fits over being asked by reporters about his transition from pro wrestling to MMA despite that being one of the few relevant questions he can be asked. He's a prick and his act is tired and irritating.

I'm on the fence about that - I can definitely see those traits in him and I disagree with some of his decisions but at the same time I think overall he's a good guy who's trying to do the right thing. He's just prone to being emotional from time to time and a bit paranoid.

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 1:38 PM
I'm not bitter over him leaving at all. He had every right to leave WWE. GBF summed up Punk superbly in the "CM Punk quits WWE, joins UFC" thread when he called him an "unlikeable, arrogant, blowhard". Punk is a bitter, delusional asshole who apparently has no issue alienating himself from long time friends over perceived slights. The man throws hissy fits over being asked by reporters about his transition from pro wrestling to MMA despite that being one of the few relevant questions he can be asked. He's a prick and his act is tired and irritating.

What GBF said before he closed the thread was pretty much common knowledge. You're not going to find too many people saying Punk is misunderstood and that he's a quality human being lol.

I do get annoyed when he gets all bent out of shape when people talk to him about pro wrestling. That Off the Record guy said it best, you haven't fought yet so we can't really talk about anything MMA related lol. It's true. You can only talk about training so much, and even then he acts all weird like he's already on the defensive like someone is going to shit on his ability so he has to just keep it short and sweet.....

Beer-Belly
September 7th, 2016, 1:39 PM
And I just heard him say he'll eat 20 bucks worth of taco bell in one sitting while out of training.

That's overcoming adversity to be a champion.

That's awesome.

I'm pretty sure I saw a video of him talking about how stoked he was to go to Raw in Cleveland. WWE should contact that guy if they want to do something with a fighter who's a genuine stand up dude and a fan.

Beer-Belly
September 7th, 2016, 1:47 PM
I'm on the fence about that - I can definitely see those traits in him and I disagree with some of his decisions but at the same time I think overall he's a good guy who's trying to do the right thing. He's just prone to being emotional from time to time and a bit paranoid.

I used to be a huge fan, but I can't act like he isn't a largely insufferable ass anymore. He strikes me as a petty and morose individual.


What GBF said before he closed the thread was pretty much common knowledge. You're not going to find too many people saying Punk is misunderstood and that he's a quality human being lol.

I do get annoyed when he gets all bent out of shape when people talk to him about pro wrestling. That Off the Record guy said it best, you haven't fought yet so we can't really talk about anything MMA related lol. It's true. You can only talk about training so much, and even then he acts all weird like he's already on the defensive like someone is going to shit on his ability so he has to just keep it short and sweet.....

His paranoia isn't healthy.

Percussion
September 7th, 2016, 1:47 PM
The thing is, and this is just like with pro wrestling, those fans that are so hellbent on seeing Punk lose and wanting to tell pro wrestling fans to get fuck themselves, those are the fans that are going to order the ppv anyway, to see that happen or to see the card in general. It's like a wrestling fan who hates how the WWE is using Dean Ambrose or Cesaro and they hate Roman Reigns, but they're watching Raw every week, they have the Network and watch every ppv religiously.

And what I meant by the whole BJJ black belt, etc. comment was simply that you could be that, but that doesn't mean you're going to do any better than CM Punk. Maybe back in 1993-1994. It definitely helps the credibility aspect if they can say "This guy was an NCAA wrestling champion" or "This guy was a golden gloves champion back in 2007". That goes back to fighters and fans who respect the hell out of the sport aspect, and not so much the entertainment aspect. Shit there are a lot of fans who hate shit that Anderson Silva does in the cage with the dancing so I get it for sure.

With Punk, FOR ME, it goes back to Herschel Walker. Herschel Walker was one of my favorite football players as a kid/young teen. There are people who think that is acceptable enough to warrant a spot in a big MMA promotion. He had been training BJJ for a little while, not daily or even monthly, very similar to CM Punk. And there are pro football players that have said pro wrestling is harder than anything they've ever done. Pro wrestling, scripted as it may be, is a very physically demanding form of entertainment and all you have to do is talk to King Mo, Josh Barnett, a few others and they'll tell you just how much of a toll it can take on your body. So I think that CM Punk while not having a legit competition background, he was still doing something that was extremely physical that took years off his life. I mean if Matt Mitrione gets a pass because he played in the NFL for a few years, why can't CM Punk? The NFL and MMA have nothing in common in terms of being able to go "Well he did this in the NFL that benefits him in MMA" in terms of punching, kicking, TDD, submission defense, etc.

Any fan who gives a shit so much about MMA that they're having an apoplectic fit over Punk was going to order UFC 203 with/without Punk.

No, a BJJ black belt or an NCAA wrestling title doesn't guarantee anyone anything. But again, credibility does matter. I think we generally agree here. There's simply a line they balance on between sport and entertainment. They'd clearly like to lean more sport, but at the end of the day they win by counting cash. They're not going to push that line too hard, but they want the cash. Balance.

I think we generally agree here too, but you certainly like to type a lot. Punk did some tough physically demanding stuff and says he'd been training for a while on the side and so that greases the wheels juuusst enough to get some kind of a pass. This thing is simply going to be fun to watch as long as UFC doesn't indulge the spectacle side of things much more than they are here.

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 1:49 PM
I do like to type a lot, and trust me this is me outside of a message board lol. I've been known to go "long story short" and apparently my definition of "long story short" is the exact opposite of what that truly means.

Percussion
September 7th, 2016, 1:51 PM
No worries bud, been going back and forth with ya long enough now to know how to trim the fat. :yes:

Spedizzo
September 7th, 2016, 2:15 PM
When I was at the UFC fan expo, the coolest guys I met by far out of tons of fighters:

Stipe Miocic
Ben Rothwell
Brian Ortega (guy was the nicest fighter by far, genuinely asked me tons of questions, unfortunately he was one of the fightest I knew the least about and had to make shit up pretending I have seen his fights)
Eddie Bravo

needless to say I am going to be biased toward Stipe in this upcoming fight

Stipe is funny as hell and seems like an average guy. He also sounds like he just took a couple shots of bourbon in his voice

Nash Diesel
September 7th, 2016, 2:16 PM
I've liked Stipe ever since I saw him paying homage to Cro Cop by wearing similar shorts.

Percussion
September 7th, 2016, 2:18 PM
Brian Ortega (guy was the nicest fighter by far, genuinely asked me tons of questions, unfortunately he was one of the fightest I knew the least about and had to make shit up pretending I have seen his fights)

:lol: That sounds thoroughly uncomfortable.

Nash Diesel
September 9th, 2016, 9:59 AM
Who gets the winner of Overeem/Miocic? I think it definitely comes down to Cain V or Werdum, but if Werdum wins, would they give Cain the shot even though Werdum beat him already? Will it come down to who was more impressive against Travis Browne or maybe they let the winner of the HW title fight sit out and they have Cain v. Werdum #1 contender fight?

Spedizzo
September 9th, 2016, 11:10 AM
I guess it depends on how impressive Werdum's hypothetical victory over Browne is

Cain beat Browne in the most dominant fashion ever

If Werdum goes out there and gets a 29-28 boring decision, gets rocked multiple times, or loses, I think Cain is a shoe in

if Werdum beats the fuck out of Browne ala Cain, I think Cain vs. Werdum gets set up

I don't see see why Werdum is anymore deserving of a title shot than Cain is. Both guys would have lost the belt and then won their next fight in convincing fashion.

Mark Hammer
September 9th, 2016, 1:01 PM
Who gets the winner of Overeem/Miocic? I think it definitely comes down to Cain V or Werdum, but if Werdum wins, would they give Cain the shot even though Werdum beat him already? Will it come down to who was more impressive against Travis Browne or maybe they let the winner of the HW title fight sit out and they have Cain v. Werdum #1 contender fight?

I'd rather see Cain fight one of them than see Werdum rematch either. Cain would likely wreck Werdum in a rematch anyways.

Nash Diesel
September 9th, 2016, 1:26 PM
I guess it depends on how impressive Werdum's hypothetical victory over Browne is

Cain beat Browne in the most dominant fashion ever

If Werdum goes out there and gets a 29-28 boring decision, gets rocked multiple times, or loses, I think Cain is a shoe in

if Werdum beats the fuck out of Browne ala Cain, I think Cain vs. Werdum gets set up

I don't see see why Werdum is anymore deserving of a title shot than Cain is. Both guys would have lost the belt and then won their next fight in convincing fashion.

I think pro-Werdum argument would be, and this is factoring he whips Browne's ass like Cain did, that Werdum finished Cain in convincing fashion and he was the guy who lost to Stipe, plus there could be a rubber match with him and Overeem. I mean shit, Cain was given an automatic rematch against Werdum but it fell through because Cain got injured (SHOCKER!).


I'd rather see Cain fight one of them than see Werdum rematch either. Cain would likely wreck Werdum in a rematch anyways.

I would rather see Cain get the nod simply because I'm sick of him fighting the same fucking people lol. I mean, had he rematched Werdum for the belt, he would have fought the same 3 guys since beating Lesnar and that was JDS, Bigfoot, and then Werdum. So it was wonderful when he fought Browne because he had never fought the guy before just like it'd be wonderful if he stayed healthy and fought Stipe or Overeem.

Spedizzo
September 9th, 2016, 2:06 PM
I am pretty sure that Werdum will not beat Browne like Cain did or even close (if he even wins at all)

Cain literally beat the fuck out of Browne everywhere and made him look almost amateur

I like how at UFC 200 they listed Cain at 6'2 when he fought the tall as hell Travis Browne

They are starting to give him the Shane Carwin treatment I see

Didn't Carwin go from like 6'2 to 6'5 in the span of 2 fights



http://i42.tinypic.com/nwynvt.jpg

Nash Diesel
September 9th, 2016, 2:08 PM
I am pretty sure that Werdum will not beat Browne like Cain did or even close

Cain literally beat the fuck out of Browne everywhere

Idk man. A lot of times I've counted out Werdum and he surprised the hell out of me.

Nash Diesel
September 9th, 2016, 4:38 PM
Someone just pointed out that the venue for tomorrow's fights is the same venue that Punk walked out on the WWE. That's crazy.

Mark Hammer
September 9th, 2016, 4:45 PM
Very interesting. One has to wonder if that was deliberate.

Mik
September 9th, 2016, 4:58 PM
Yeah Ariel Helwani mentioned it in his sit down chat with punk. Punk said that he noted the significance but didn't think that the UFC brass did.

Hero!
September 9th, 2016, 6:22 PM
Just saw the weigh ins on FS1. Great video package for Miocic. Punk staring down Gall was dope.

so hyped for this

Percussion
September 9th, 2016, 6:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkox1s-IWnI

Could Gall be overconfident?

Mark Hammer
September 9th, 2016, 6:55 PM
My God, fuck Mickey Gall. I hope Punk embarrasses him.

Beer-Belly
September 9th, 2016, 7:03 PM
Punk's an asshole, but Gall seems like a pretty big twat.

Mark Hammer
September 9th, 2016, 9:54 PM
Seriously the only reason anybody knows who Gall is or even gives a shit is because of CM Punk. I cant fathom an argument for Punk being the heel here. Of course your average Sherdogger feels the opposite but your average Sherdogger is special needs.

Tyson
September 9th, 2016, 9:54 PM
I hope Phil Brooks gets knocked the fuck out...

Mark Hammer
September 9th, 2016, 9:55 PM
^^^ see this guy ^^^

Eddie Brock
September 9th, 2016, 10:30 PM
Lol Mickey's mind crumbled at Punk's murderface. I hope it's a good fight. Funny that he's just now got the look after many years.

Mark Hammer
September 9th, 2016, 11:01 PM
I hope it's not a good fight at all and Punk murders him. Gall has no fans, literally the only people rooting for him are pathetic haters.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 2:37 AM
I loved the staredown. Punk can't win though, surely? Really hope he can pull it off somehow.

JP
September 10th, 2016, 11:49 AM
Really got back into UFC this year and so hyped for the Punk fight tonight.

Percussion
September 10th, 2016, 11:51 AM
Think I'm more hyped for this then the first time I saw Brock fight.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 12:13 PM
Do you think it'll be pretty straightforward to find a live feed of this?

Hero!
September 10th, 2016, 12:14 PM
I hope it's not a good fight at all and Punk murders him. Gall has no fans, literally the only people rooting for him are pathetic haters.

:yes:

i hope Punk chokes him out in round 1.

RuneEdge
September 10th, 2016, 12:14 PM
I didn't care that much about Punk's fight. After seeing the face off, I'm hyped as a mofo. :hyper:

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 12:16 PM
Me too man.

Percussion
September 10th, 2016, 12:17 PM
Do you think it'll be pretty straightforward to find a live feed of this?

No less than always.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 12:29 PM
I've never watched a UFC event over a feed before so wouldn't know.

RuneEdge
September 10th, 2016, 12:33 PM
Twitter's a good place to search for them. People tend to tweet new feeds as old ones get taken down.

Hero!
September 10th, 2016, 12:39 PM
Reddit is also a solid place to look.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 12:55 PM
Cheers gents

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 1:31 PM
Firstrowsports always has several streams.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 2:32 PM
http://mmajunkie.com/2016/09/video-duke-roufus-on-why-he-thinks-cm-punk-is-going-to-surprise-most-of-you-at-ufc-203

Roufus interview.

kangus
September 10th, 2016, 3:37 PM
What's with the goddamned elevators at the Wyndham Cleveland? First Fabricio Werdum's and Urijah Faber's teams were held up in an elevator that stopped working (http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/9/9/12868756/urijah-faber-fabricio-werdum-and-teams-get-stuck-in-broken-elevator), now C.B. Dollaway withdrew from his fight because he was in an elevator that fell and as a result he hurt his back (http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/9/10/12872762/c-b-dollaway-s-manager-releases-statement-regarding-elevator-accident). Jesus, what the hell is going on here?

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 4:35 PM
Wow.

mr sabu
September 10th, 2016, 6:28 PM
anyone know what time the event starts.. need to work out what time it starts here in Australia

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 6:30 PM
Main card begins in 2 1/2 hours. Prelims are on now

kangus
September 10th, 2016, 6:36 PM
Well the main card will start at 10 pm EST, so that's 3 hours and 24 minutes from now.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 6:50 PM
I came back to correct myself but Mr. kangus beat me to it. :yes:

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 7:55 PM
So this is the second scheduled fight for Ian McCall in a row that has been cancelled. His opponent pulled out a couple of days ago and a suitable replacement could not be found. I read recently that McCall is living with his parents, in desperate need of a payday. Total shame considering he should have a victory over the current Flyweight champ and arguable #1 p4p.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 9:55 PM
Very curious where Punk goes on the card. I wouldn't have him too early just to force all dem wrasslin fans to watch the whole show. The match right before the main event, maybe? Then Dana telling he was in the main event because it was the second to last fight.

kangus
September 10th, 2016, 9:59 PM
Atty, the PPV lineup has been set for a long time. Here it is:

Stipe Miocic (c) vs. Alistair Overeem
Fabrício Werdum vs. Travis Browne
CM Punk vs. Mickey Gall
Urijah Faber vs. Jimmie Rivera
Jéssica Andrade vs. Joanne Calderwood


So he'll go third from last, right after the Faber fight.

Percussion
September 10th, 2016, 9:59 PM
Sounds just right to me.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:01 PM
I'm a dumdum.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:10 PM
I want a men's strawweight division with creepy meth heads fighting over that sweet New Mexico glass.

Rancid_Planet
September 10th, 2016, 10:18 PM
We call that a Tennessee square dance around here.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:21 PM
At least the women are trying to finish early so we can get to Phil.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 10:25 PM
Calderwood gave Andrade that guillotine.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 10:27 PM
Fun fact: Andrade's nickname translates to 'Piledriver' in English.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:30 PM
Does Faber remind anyone else of Little Mac?

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 10:30 PM
Not really at all.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:34 PM
I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 10:36 PM
:(

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:38 PM
He was doing the exact punching warm up thing in the back that Little Mac did in the Wii version.

Just over half an hour from Punk. Hope these two know to have a quick finish too.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 10:41 PM
This is actually a fight that has inexplicably flown under the radar. Faber only loses to world champions, he murks everyone else. Jimmie Rivera is on an 8-year-undefeated tear. This will be a good gauge for where he's at. History dictates that Faber should win this but if Rivera pulls it off he's very close to a title shot.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:43 PM
Love the one guy in the crowd who just yelled "PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG!"

My kind of fan.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 10:45 PM
This fight sucks.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:47 PM
Ahahaha

This fight needed a good dick kick.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 10:48 PM
This will be Taker's fight of the night.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 11:01 PM
And Faber just actually WOOOOOOOOOed after the fight.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 11:02 PM
Lol at the drunk fuck booing this decision. Wasn't the most exciting fight but it was a dominant performance over one of the top fighters of the division for years. Welcome to title contention Rivera.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 11:06 PM
Rivera looked very assured. Hope his eye is alright.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 11:08 PM
:hyper:

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 11:12 PM
For a split second, I thought Punk was coming out to Hey Mickey...

darkhorse
September 10th, 2016, 11:15 PM
Cult Of Personality...nice :lol:

mr sabu
September 10th, 2016, 11:16 PM
here we go

lets see if phil has what it takes

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 11:17 PM
He's shitting himself.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 11:17 PM
I'm shitting myself.

mr sabu
September 10th, 2016, 11:20 PM
He's shitting himself.


not the first time

darkhorse
September 10th, 2016, 11:21 PM
Not looking good.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 11:23 PM
Wow. Walkover.

mr sabu
September 10th, 2016, 11:23 PM
well that was not worth the build up

Pablo Diablo
September 10th, 2016, 11:23 PM
Hahahaha

VanillaJello
September 10th, 2016, 11:23 PM
Punk was destroyed.

Pablo Diablo
September 10th, 2016, 11:23 PM
As if there would be another result.

Rancid_Planet
September 10th, 2016, 11:24 PM
That fast huh?

darkhorse
September 10th, 2016, 11:24 PM
Well, that went as it probably should have been expected to go.

Jordo
September 10th, 2016, 11:24 PM
Would of liked to see Punk throw hands a bit.

Oh well.

Kure
September 10th, 2016, 11:25 PM
That's exactly what I was afraid of. Not only was he beaten, but he was outclassed by a guy who has only had a couple of professional fights, on the ground, which was supposed to be his "strength."

mr sabu
September 10th, 2016, 11:26 PM
somewhere out there a out of touch 70 year old is laughing

Percussion
September 10th, 2016, 11:26 PM
Would of liked to see Punk throw hands a bit.

Oh well.

I wanted to see it too, but if we thought this was ugly...

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 11:27 PM
That's exactly what I was afraid of. Not only was he beaten, but he was outclassed by a guy who has only had a couple of professional fights, on the ground, which was supposed to be his "strength."
Punk has no 'strength'. White belt in BJJ. Gall is a tough kid though, I think he'll make it pretty far.

The Law
September 10th, 2016, 11:27 PM
Does he ever fight again? The thought of it seems ridiculous, but Punk is a stubborn dude and UFC has made a big investment in him.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 11:27 PM
Punk's face reminds me of someone.

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/4dd1009a-4176-4907-bf33-51cc3f0955a5/fe3e7fe7-4ca3-4fc4-9e2a-a6192e3835a0.jpg

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 11:28 PM
CM Punk, absolutely insane.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 11:29 PM
His ear is fucked and that welt above it looks sick.

Jordo
September 10th, 2016, 11:30 PM
I wanted to see it too, but if we thought this was ugly...

Oh ya, the outcome would of been the same but I still wanted to see it.

Rogan was cracking me up on commentary though.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 11:30 PM
I'd love to know what he was thinking bee-lining towards Gall like that. No feeling out process or anything.

Jordo
September 10th, 2016, 11:32 PM
Does he ever fight again? The thought of it seems ridiculous, but Punk is a stubborn dude and UFC has made a big investment in him.

I'd say we get at least one more fight out him.

The Law
September 10th, 2016, 11:33 PM
Moment probably just got to him. Jacked up on adrenaline in his first real fight. Yeah, he's wrestled a million matches in front of big crowds, but that's different.

Percussion
September 10th, 2016, 11:35 PM
I kinda liked the world seeing the stark difference in just how talented and vicious these pros are. It's easy to lose sight of when watching them battle each other week in and week out. Now to have seen a guy who wasn't exactly a couch potato himself and who put in months and months of training from world class instruction ... to see that that's what happens when he faces a real pro, it was the ultimate jobber match for the sport itself.

Kudos to Punk for having the stones to let us into that world from such a perspective.

The Law
September 10th, 2016, 11:39 PM
It's like any other professional sport, even the worst guys doing it are the top 1%. The bottom players in the NFL were the best players on their college teams, I assume UFC is the same way. There are millions of martial artists out there, only a few get paid big money to train and fight.

McBain
September 10th, 2016, 11:42 PM
It's amazing that Punk didn't realise that himself.

Percussion
September 10th, 2016, 11:45 PM
It's like any other professional sport, even the worst guys doing it are the top 1%. The bottom players in the NFL were the best players on their college teams, I assume UFC is the same way. There are millions of martial artists out there, only a few get paid big money to train and fight.

That's true. Difference though in the fact that MMA has had an all of the sudden rise in comparison and still has echos of the tank abbots and toughmans of the sports history that for the longest time have convinced a vast number of brodudes they could pull it off versus no one thinking that way about other major pro sports orgs. Guys join MMA gyms to this day thinking their big break is maybe six months of training away. Bullshit, and that fight was the spotlight.

Atty
September 10th, 2016, 11:46 PM
Browne soundly takes round one there.

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 11:47 PM
He took round 1 up his butt.

Tainted Eclipse
September 10th, 2016, 11:47 PM
lol what a round

Mark Hammer
September 10th, 2016, 11:58 PM
That fight was awful.

darkhorse
September 10th, 2016, 11:58 PM
Moment probably just got to him. Jacked up on adrenaline in his first real fight. Yeah, he's wrestled a million matches in front of big crowds, but that's different.

If he does fight again, I think he'll have some idea of what to expect and (hopefully) a better result.

wardy
September 11th, 2016, 12:05 AM
CM Punk backstage after the fight...

http://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9q172bdoR1qablpd.jpg

Seanny One Ball
September 11th, 2016, 12:11 AM
So did he really fight as "CM Punk"? And how bad was the loss really?

Also if anything good came out of this is was a boost to the MMA forum.

Seanny One Ball
September 11th, 2016, 12:13 AM
CM Punk backstage after the fight...

http://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9q172bdoR1qablpd.jpg

You're so much better than a bad Friends reference wardy mate. That was 20 years ago.

LOCONUT
September 11th, 2016, 12:14 AM
The fight felt like 2 minutes. Punk got in immediate trouble and then spent the rest of the fight avoiding getting choked out until he finally got choked out. It was a beat down.

Percussion
September 11th, 2016, 12:14 AM
So did he really fight as "CM Punk"? And how bad was the loss really?

Also if anything good came out of this is was a boost to the MMA forum.

Yes, and completely one sided. To his credit Punk looked relatively competent in the sense that it wasn't just full on deer in the headlights and embarrassed. That said, not so much as an inch of competition.

kangus
September 11th, 2016, 12:14 AM
Did you guys notice the sequence when Mickey Gall had sitting back mount, Punk was like 'hey maybe I'll just try and stand up here, it seems simple enou....oh nope that's not going to work I see'.

LOCONUT
September 11th, 2016, 12:16 AM
I guess using your legs for leverage off the cage is illegal. Punk already being heelish.

What was the point of an 8 fight deal for him? Random.

kangus
September 11th, 2016, 12:18 AM
Well the illegal part was Punk had his toes curled through the cage which is a no-no, just like it would be if you did so with your fingers.

mr sabu
September 11th, 2016, 12:18 AM
dana probably told punk to make Mickey look really strong

Seanny One Ball
September 11th, 2016, 12:21 AM
Did you guys notice the sequence when Mickey Gall had sitting back mount, Punk was like 'hey maybe I'll just try and stand up here, it seems simple enou....oh nope that's not going to work I see'.


Ahahahaha that's amazing. I have to see that. There's not enough bad improv in MMA anymore. People were winning with madness early on and all that went with real training.

Seanny One Ball
September 11th, 2016, 12:23 AM
dana probably told punk to make Mickey look really strong

Aye that Dana White has been pushing Mickey Gall for years now. It's a fucking disgrace.

Atty
September 11th, 2016, 12:33 AM
hahahahah

Overreem has a great future in WWE. "He tapped. The ref didn't see it"

Tainted Eclipse
September 11th, 2016, 12:34 AM
this card was very entertaining

Percussion
September 11th, 2016, 12:35 AM
Rogan insisting Reem face the music there was fucking great.

MikeHunt
September 11th, 2016, 12:36 AM
Enjoyable card.

Was really pulling for reem and punk but hey ho.

Rivera is a stud, easily the performance of the night.

kangus
September 11th, 2016, 12:36 AM
Ahaha poor guy, as soon as he mentions the mysterious tap he's just automatically booed out of the building.

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 12:38 AM
Had to miss the main event lads. :(

Can someone fill me in on the controversy? Did Stipe tap? Was Reem out cold?

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 12:39 AM
Enjoyable card.

Was really pulling for reem and punk but hey ho.

Rivera is a stud, easily the performance of the night.

The fight was kind of uneventful but it was a huge and career defining win.

Hero!
September 11th, 2016, 12:41 AM
Had to miss the main event lads. :(

Can someone fill me in on the controversy? Did Stipe tap? Was Reem out cold?

2 replays says no tap.

kangus
September 11th, 2016, 12:42 AM
It was a really interesting fight Mark! Basically Reem rocked Stipe and immediately went for a front guillotine, Stipe fought out of it and eventually KO'd Reem cold. After the fight Reem said he felt Stipe tap in the guillotine so Rogan replayed it on the big screen like three times and clearly there was no tap. I don't think Overeem was being a dickhead, there's just a lot going on at once and maybe he did feel a tap but clearly there wasn't.

Atty
September 11th, 2016, 12:43 AM
I heard the tap.

Defrost
September 11th, 2016, 12:43 AM
Rogan buried Punk 6 feet under. I'd take Rogan in that fight honestly.

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 12:44 AM
So did he really fight as "CM Punk"? And how bad was the loss really?

Also if anything good came out of this is was a boost to the MMA forum.

Yes and I dont blame him. Phil Brooks is a terrible name.

And yes, he got whooped. Charged forward at the opening bell, immediately taken down, beat up and choked out. It was ugly.

Atty
September 11th, 2016, 12:44 AM
I loved his take on Overreem claiming there was a tap: "I can't fault him for having a distorted memory after that"

MikeHunt
September 11th, 2016, 12:45 AM
He completely dominated Faber which is very impressive and I'm sure you'd agree.

All the fights were pretty underwhelming tonight yet they were still fun to watch.

I hope they give punk another fight, maybe a fight night card.

The look on his face when he was coming out was just great and I have a huge respect for him.

Percussion
September 11th, 2016, 12:45 AM
Rogan buried Punk 6 feet under. I'd take Rogan in that fight honestly.

Way to go out on a limb there.

Seanny One Ball
September 11th, 2016, 12:46 AM
I think Phil Brooks sounds better than Call Me Punk, especially after getting battered.

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 12:48 AM
I guess using your legs for leverage off the cage is illegal. Punk already being heelish.

What was the point of an 8 fight deal for him? Random.

It's not illegal to use the fence for leverage, it's a pretty common tactic. It is however illegal to grip the cage with your toes or fingers.

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 12:49 AM
He completely dominated Faber which is very impressive and I'm sure you'd agree.

All the fights were pretty underwhelming tonight yet they were still fun to watch.

I hope they give punk another fight, maybe a fight night card.

The look on his face when he was coming out was just great and I have a huge respect for him.

Yes absolutely. Rivera is now in line for a t.s.

Tainted Eclipse
September 11th, 2016, 12:51 AM
i love stipe. i hope he beats cain.

Hero!
September 11th, 2016, 12:54 AM
Yes and I dont blame him. Phil Brooks is a terrible name.

And yes, he got whooped. Charged forward at the opening bell, immediately taken down, beat up and choked out. It was ugly.

i just don't understand why Punk charged in like that. Maybe it was nerves, maybe he just wanted to get it over with. I don't know. Maybe next time he'll actually...wait a bit?

overall card was ok. Couldn't care less about Faber these days and I used to be a huge fan. Punk fight was what it was, I still love that guy. Women's fight was alright. Skipped the Browne fight. Main event was good and the aftermath was brillz.

Miocic/Werdim rematch has to be soon, yeah?

Tainted Eclipse
September 11th, 2016, 1:04 AM
first round of brown/werdum was hilarious.

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 1:09 AM
i love stipe. i hope he beats cain.

He won't. I like Stipe too but Cain is the baddest man on the planet and both of his losses were flukes.

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 1:10 AM
i just don't understand why Punk charged in like that. Maybe it was nerves, maybe he just wanted to get it over with. I don't know. Maybe next time he'll actually...wait a bit?

overall card was ok. Couldn't care less about Faber these days and I used to be a huge fan. Punk fight was what it was, I still love that guy. Women's fight was alright. Skipped the Browne fight. Main event was good and the aftermath was brillz.

Miocic/Werdim rematch has to be soon, yeah?

I guess adrenaline dump but yeah that was a god awful tactic.

And Cain deserves the next shot far more than Werdum.

mr sabu
September 11th, 2016, 1:19 AM
got deleted

Seanny One Ball
September 11th, 2016, 1:27 AM
That was laughable really. CM Punk should be ashamed of himself.

Percussion
September 11th, 2016, 1:33 AM
Looks like he was hellbent on showing everyone that he wasn't afraid to cut loose a couple standing (likely before some attempt to clinch/takedown of his own) and went in with complete blinders on ... against a fuckin' pro.

Eddie Brock
September 11th, 2016, 1:35 AM
This is one of the most bizarre PPVs I've watched.

Punk being mauled then crying. Probably having a moment with all his fans who are crying away right now. This fight should've happened in Dana's basement instead.

Werdum pulling out a flying kick in a showcase of a match that had a guy ask for a timeout because he hurt his finger.

And one of the oddest main events ever that's capped off with Overeem saying he felt Miocic tap.

It was entertaining.

Spedizzo
September 11th, 2016, 4:44 AM
this was a fun event, agree it was bizarre

-didn't care for women's opener
-happy Faber got his ass kicked cause I bet Rivera and my friends all thought I was dumb for doing so
-marked out for Mickey's entrance (cause he wasn't supposed to have that song) and had chill's for CM Punk's theme. Really bummed once the fight started
-Werdum went psycho on Browne and then coasted. Looks like Cain will probably get the title shot
-What a main event. Overeem seems to have had an adrenaline dump after the guillotine failed. Don't know why he said Miocic tapped. Happy Miocic won because I bet earlier winnings on Miocic plus I have a picture with Miocic so I feel like we have a bond, but at the same time Overeem is a legend and this might be his last chance at UFC gold so I feel for him

almost at UFC 205

great year of PPVs

kangus
September 11th, 2016, 8:43 AM
The Faber/Rivera eye poke that caused the damage to Rivera's eye. It ain't pretty so viewer discretion is advised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsDoFb5WgAAP8Tq.jpg:large

McBain
September 11th, 2016, 8:51 AM
Fuck me.

Chris Scott
September 11th, 2016, 8:52 AM
That was laughable really. CM Punk should be ashamed of himself.

:yes:

Chris Scott
September 11th, 2016, 9:23 AM
Respect to him though for doing it.

Atty
September 11th, 2016, 10:49 AM
The Faber/Rivera eye poke that caused the damage to Rivera's eye. It ain't pretty so viewer discretion is advised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsDoFb5WgAAP8Tq.jpg:large

Jesus.

virms
September 11th, 2016, 11:04 AM
Man that was ugly for punk. He does need to just step away from UFC and fight elsewhere until he is ready but with his age I am not sure he will ever make it back.

Strange to see him break down crying so bad too. He definitely thought he was better than what he was. I am looking forward to his adventure though or he could just tuck tail and ve back in time for a surprise rumble entrant and a mania payday.

Percussion
September 11th, 2016, 11:12 AM
Like to be a fly on the wall with Duke Roufus after that fight.

McBain
September 11th, 2016, 11:15 AM
When did he break down crying?

Percussion
September 11th, 2016, 11:16 AM
Post fight presser.

McBain
September 11th, 2016, 11:17 AM
A little, I thought he meant some other time too.

OD50
September 11th, 2016, 1:13 PM
Wtf, Reem looked like absolute horse piss, worst performance of his career. Embarrassing.

Mik
September 11th, 2016, 4:01 PM
That's exactly what I was afraid of. Not only was he beaten, but he was outclassed by a guy who has only had a couple of professional fights, on the ground, which was supposed to be his "strength."

The guy might've only had a couple of fights, but he's trained martial arts for a lot longer than punk. Including bjj which is 'on the ground' and where he is a much higher level belt than punk. There's a reason why gall was a heavy favourite.


Does he ever fight again? The thought of it seems ridiculous, but Punk is a stubborn dude and UFC has made a big investment in him.

No they haven't.


I guess using your legs for leverage off the cage is illegal. Punk already being heelish.

What was the point of an 8 fight deal for him? Random.

Im pretty sure it was a three fight deal and the idea was to stop their rivals bellator from getting him. Punk had made it clear that he wanted to fight MMA and he would've done big sales on free tv for bellator so UFC signed him up so bellator couldn't. He'll have made money for them.


He won't. I like Stipe too but Cain is the baddest man on the planet and both of his losses were flukes.

I can see why a one hit KO from JDS that he avenged comfortably twice could be considered a fluke, although I think it says more about the nature of the heavy hitting hw division. But Werdum outstruck him, force Cain to go for the takedown and then tapped him very comfortably, it wasn't a quick affair and both got their opportunities to fight. Cannot be called a fluke, especially as Cain hasn't avenged it. I guess you're probably talking about the fact that Cain struggled with the altitude, but that was his own fault for not preparing for it. It shouldn't have come as any surprise to him. If he hadn't trained for bjj and got tapped out that wouldn't have been an excuse and it wouldn't have been a fluke. He had it in his power to do something about it.


I guess adrenaline dump but yeah that was a god awful tactic.

And Cain deserves the next shot far more than Werdum.

I agree that he will be the next shot and it's the fight I would rather see, but deserves? Werdum beat Cain and then took a one punch knockout from stipe, he has something that Cain doesn't which is a win over the other. Werdum frustrates me though, he always looks like he's on the verge of falling over.


The Faber/Rivera eye poke that caused the damage to Rivera's eye. It ain't pretty so viewer discretion is advised.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsDoFb5WgAAP8Tq.jpg:large

Nah, that's Werdum against Browne...who is a fucking dirty fighter and not the first time he's done this.


Wtf, Reem looked like absolute horse piss, worst performance of his career. Embarrassing.

Meh, it was typical Reem. Incredible power, put the champ on his arse, had him in trouble, gassed and didn't defend himself very well. It's like pretty much all of his other losses.

kangus
September 11th, 2016, 4:20 PM
Nah, that's Werdum against Browne...who is a fucking dirty fighter and not the first time he's done this.


God you're right. Well that's what happens I'm posting stuff on my phone like an idiot without looking it over.

OD50
September 11th, 2016, 4:25 PM
So, who else but me thinks Edmund is a total fraud? Everything I've seen of him suggests he's complete shit, both as trainer and coach (remember his corner work when Ronda was getting cut to pieces by HH?). Browne has just gotten worse since hooking up with him hasn't he? His only W under Edmund is that Fingerpoke of Doom fiasco against Mitrione I believe.

Percussion
September 11th, 2016, 4:27 PM
So, who else but me thinks Edmund is a total fraud? Everything I've seen of him suggests he's complete shit, both as trainer and coach. Browne has just got worse since hooking up with him hasn't he? His only W under Edmund is that Fingerpoke of Doom fiasco against Mitrione I believe.

It's like a tae-bo instructor who caught the best racket ever in swindling Rousey. And here we are.

So ya, complete agreement.

Tyson
September 11th, 2016, 4:52 PM
As bad as Phil Brooks looked, I think his name value as CM Punk buys him one more fight with the UFC. If he gets embarrassed again next time out, all bets are off...

Fanny Batter
September 11th, 2016, 4:52 PM
Edmund is clueless. It's fascinating how shit and weird he is though, his reactions in times of hardship for his fighters are incredible, he can't cope. Strange fight.

Punk got beaten by a better fighter. They should match him with the dude that fought Gall in his debut next, he's pretty much the definition of a walkover so if he struggles at that level there's no point going any further. He might not be outright terrible as Gall actually appears to be quite good.

Classic Reem there. Couldn't have been scripted better. Heavyweight now has Miocic, Werdum, Velasquez, Barnett and dos Santos all coming off wins so I'm hoping for Miocic/Velasquez, Werdum/Rothwell and JDS/Barnett, with Browne/Ngannou, Arlovski/Magomedov and Lewis/Reem to separate the contenders from the gatekeepers.

Mark Hammer
September 11th, 2016, 6:04 PM
Cain took round 1 from Werdum and would have taken round 2 and the win had he not gassed. Which isnt taking anything away from Fabricio, he won fair and square. But I dont subscribe to the notion that Werdum destroyed him and he certainly didn't look like the superior fighter following. I would absolutely call Cain in a rematch.

OD50
September 12th, 2016, 5:47 AM
Werdum is a tricky match-up for Cain due to his ground game (off his back especially) sort of nullifying one of Cain's strongest aspects. He's one dude you don't want to ground-and-pound recklessly, just ask Fedor. :(

I do think that a Cain that doesn't gas out miserably could use his speed advantage in the stand-up mixed with takedowns to beat Werdum. With takedowns I mean that he should put Werdum down when possible and frustrate him, not follow him down. Kind of like how Reem did do Werdum in Strikeforce.

Mik
September 12th, 2016, 7:34 AM
I think that its a little too convenient to say that Cain gassed vs Werdum and leave Werdum completely passive in that. Werdum was keeping Cain at bay with longer range strikes, was utilising a strong clinch game to wear him down and was popping Cain regularly in the face with accurate and diverse striking. Cain is not used to all that. Lets not just immediately assume that it was the altitude and nothing else. Chad Mendes didnt just gas because he was short notice, it was also because Conor was hitting him with teep kicks. McGregor didnt just gas because of the increased weight in the first fight with Nate, it was also because he was winging big punches and Nate was rolling with them and because Nate was hitting him clean and keeping him on the end of his reach. It takes two to tango.

McBain
September 12th, 2016, 7:39 AM
I must say that I saw enough during this PPV (as well as a few "best of" compilation lists I watched prior) to check out a future UFC PPV. It's absolutely insane how brutal it is though. Some of the knock-outs are beyond belief. But I definitely respect the mixed speciality aspect to it and the proverbial game of chess that develops as a result.

Mark Hammer
September 12th, 2016, 10:52 AM
Get hooked McBain!

Nash Diesel
September 12th, 2016, 10:55 AM
You know, good for Punk. He was completely destroyed-his words-and there's no shame in going out there and losing. I've seen guys get beat a lot worse, a lot faster, with a lot more training and experience. DW says he doesn't want Punk to fight again, at least in the UFC. Too bad there's no WEC for him to go to and stay under that same umbrella like Invicta for example.

Stipe...what a way to pull it back together and get that W. HW is looking very exciting right now. I was a little shocked Werdum couldn't put Browne away, especially after that sick ass Chuck Norris jump kick right off the bat!!

OD50
September 12th, 2016, 10:59 AM
The UFC has sort of a working relationship with RFA I believe, it's run by Anderson Silva's manager, the name escaped me right now, Ed Soares? They could give Punk a fight there against someone more on his skill level. if he wins and looks impressive they could give him another shot in the UFC I guess. If he gets starched in RFA his drawing power is probably gone.

Spedizzo
September 12th, 2016, 11:56 AM
I must say that I saw enough during this PPV (as well as a few "best of" compilation lists I watched prior) to check out a future UFC PPV. It's absolutely insane how brutal it is though. Some of the knock-outs are beyond belief. But I definitely respect the mixed speciality aspect to it and the proverbial game of chess that develops as a result.

Get the 7 day free pass for UFC Fight Pass if you ever have time to watch stuff on TV or whatever. Start off watching the matches you are familiar with - Conor McGregor, Jon Jones, etc. Then watch guys like Anderson Silva, Rampage, etc. You won't regret it.

There is nothing like watching a hyped up MMA fight live (at a bar or at home) between two of the best fighters in the world when you are invested in the sport.

The next PPV isn't built up that great for the casuals, although Dan Henderson vs. Michael Bisping is kind of a match for the casuals and Mousasi vs. Belfort is a great fight too. UFC 205 will be insanely huge though and you won't want to miss that.

Dream-Evil
September 13th, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apparently Punk pocketed $500k. Gall, $30k, which includes the win bonus :lol:

Mark Hammer
September 13th, 2016, 12:44 AM
No surprise. No one ordered the ppv to see Mickey Gall.

Nash Diesel
September 13th, 2016, 10:18 AM
No shit. McBain ordered it and I doubt he did it because he wanted to see Stipe. One of my best friends who doesn't follow MMA, barely watches wrestling, he ordered it solely to see CM Punk. The upside for a lot of these fighters...go read McBain's post he made about how he saw enough to make him want to watch more in the future. THAT is the upside. Someone was asking who Stipe was, now they know. If you didn't know who Werdum was, now you do.

It's the EXACT thing that happened to me 15 years ago when Ken Shamrock returned to the UFC to fight Tito Ortiz. I was exposed to not only Tito Ortiz, but Chuck Liddell, Babalu, Matt Hughes, Andrei Arlovski, and I was hooked back in after not watching since Ken Shamrock was there prior in the mid 90's.

Nash Diesel
September 13th, 2016, 11:58 AM
I'm enjoying reading a lot of the anti-Punk pay tweets from the likes of Tom Lawlor, Cat Zigano, Cyborg, etc. I've always said, I get where the fighters are coming from but again, the bigger picture.....Will Brooks is really one of the few people who have said, quit worrying about how much he got paid and go out there and make your own.

McBain
September 13th, 2016, 12:59 PM
I used a feed. :D

Nash Diesel
September 13th, 2016, 1:01 PM
I used a feed. :D

lol. Hey, you still tuned in and you might tune in again so it's a win regardless buddy.

Mark Hammer
September 13th, 2016, 7:19 PM
I'm enjoying reading a lot of the anti-Punk pay tweets from the likes of Tom Lawlor, Cat Zigano, Cyborg, etc. I've always said, I get where the fighters are coming from but again, the bigger picture.....Will Brooks is really one of the few people who have said, quit worrying about how much he got paid and go out there and make your own.

Can't help but lose a little respect for those fighters. No shit Punk was paid like a mf. Are they void of common sense?

Zingano's not one to talk, at all. She got on the UFC 200 card after that utterly laughable performance vs Rousey. And stunk the joint up. Should she have made more than Punk did for getting the UFC all the exposure that he did? Stupid fighters.

Beer-Belly
September 13th, 2016, 7:29 PM
I just hope Stipe becomes a big star after this. He deserves it. Stipe vs. Brock in WWE, mother fuckers.

Conor gave Punk props before going right back into ripping on WWE guys for being pussies. I love Conor. Master class in shit talking and self promotion.

Every fighter on that card got their name put out to new potential fans. That's a good thing.

Mark Hammer
September 13th, 2016, 9:53 PM
Yeah but Cat Zingano and Tom Lawlor aren't millionaires too and that's just not fair.

Spedizzo
September 14th, 2016, 8:49 AM
I would let Cat Zingano get the north south position on me, but I would prefer to be on top in back mount.

Spedizzo
September 14th, 2016, 9:12 AM
It isn't about how good you are.. It is about how much of a draw you are.

If you are already a draw coming into the UFC ala Lesnar, CM Punk, etc. you are going to get paid. There are very few guys like this. They bring in a lot of viewers to the sport. I got into watching UFC hardcore when Lesnar first fought Frank Mir. I don't think many people got into UFC or whatever because of Cat Zingano.

A lot of WWE fans ordered the PPV for Punk and saw him get demolished may not have been UFC fans, but maybe they saw the Stipe vs. Overeem fight and are now hooked on UFC and can't wait until the next PPV.

Otherwise you have to win fights, promote yourself, and be a good fighter to become a draw like a GSP, Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, McGregor, etc

Just having a 9-0 record in a young and weak division, with only 2 wins in the UFC like Zingano had before she fought Ronda, and not even promoting yourself is not going to get you paid. Conor wasn't always getting paid. He had to win fights like everyone else, build up his brand, continue to win, and then he got paid. Conor was 17-2 before his first big money fight with Chad Mendes.

Conor put the blueprint out there. If you are a good fighter, talk shit. Talking shit and backing it up = money. People are attracted to it. Tyron Woodley should tell Stephen Thompson he is going to fuck his girl, Damien Maia should be mocking everyone's jiu jitsu skills and call other black belts white belts, Rumble should be telling his opponents that they might as well bring a pillow to the Octagon, Dominick Cruz should call Cody Garbrandt a dumb cunt

It would be absolutely childish and turn some people off, but it would also attract a lot of attention and sell

Nash Diesel
September 14th, 2016, 9:39 AM
Look at it this way. Chris Weidman, fantastic fighter, great wins, you would have thought after beating Anderson twice, Machida, Vitor, being champion, undefeated blah blah blah that he would be this big name....And he's not. It's sad, but he's not a draw and he's one of the best fighters out there. Same with Jose Aldo. EASILY one of the greatest fighters in MMA history, there's no questioning that, but does he draw? Not very well. There are so many world beaters in the UFC alone that are not draws or not very big draws no matter what they've accomplished, no matter how exciting their fights are, sometimes there's just something missing that isn't connecting with the masses.

I wouldn't say Conor put the blueprint out there. Tank Abbott, Tito Ortiz, Chael Sonnen, those are 3 guys I always think of as who really put the blueprint out there. Especially Chael, I might not like some of the shit he was saying toward fighters from Brazil, specifically Anderson, but he really took shit talking to the level it's at that we see from McGregor. McGregor just SOUNDS cooler because of that sweet accent :)

Mark Hammer
September 14th, 2016, 11:25 PM
It isn't about how good you are.. It is about how much of a draw you are.

If you are already a draw coming into the UFC ala Lesnar, CM Punk, etc. you are going to get paid. There are very few guys like this. They bring in a lot of viewers to the sport. I got into watching UFC hardcore when Lesnar first fought Frank Mir. I don't think many people got into UFC or whatever because of Cat Zingano.

A lot of WWE fans ordered the PPV for Punk and saw him get demolished may not have been UFC fans, but maybe they saw the Stipe vs. Overeem fight and are now hooked on UFC and can't wait until the next PPV.

Otherwise you have to win fights, promote yourself, and be a good fighter to become a draw like a GSP, Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, McGregor, etc

Just having a 9-0 record in a young and weak division, with only 2 wins in the UFC like Zingano had before she fought Ronda, and not even promoting yourself is not going to get you paid. Conor wasn't always getting paid. He had to win fights like everyone else, build up his brand, continue to win, and then he got paid. Conor was 17-2 before his first big money fight with Chad Mendes.

Conor put the blueprint out there. If you are a good fighter, talk shit. Talking shit and backing it up = money. People are attracted to it. Tyron Woodley should tell Stephen Thompson he is going to fuck his girl, Damien Maia should be mocking everyone's jiu jitsu skills and call other black belts white belts, Rumble should be telling his opponents that they might as well bring a pillow to the Octagon, Dominick Cruz should call Cody Garbrandt a dumb cunt

It would be absolutely childish and turn some people off, but it would also attract a lot of attention and sell

:yes:

It would turn people off/into hating bitches but they'll still pay in the hopes to see you lose. They'll also annoy the fuck out of all the decent people on the forums they frequent though.

Mark Hammer
September 14th, 2016, 11:27 PM
Look at it this way. Chris Weidman, fantastic fighter, great wins, you would have thought after beating Anderson twice, Machida, Vitor, being champion, undefeated blah blah blah that he would be this big name....And he's not. It's sad, but he's not a draw and he's one of the best fighters out there. Same with Jose Aldo. EASILY one of the greatest fighters in MMA history, there's no questioning that, but does he draw? Not very well. There are so many world beaters in the UFC alone that are not draws or not very big draws no matter what they've accomplished, no matter how exciting their fights are, sometimes there's just something missing that isn't connecting with the masses.

I wouldn't say Conor put the blueprint out there. Tank Abbott, Tito Ortiz, Chael Sonnen, those are 3 guys I always think of as who really put the blueprint out there. Especially Chael, I might not like some of the shit he was saying toward fighters from Brazil, specifically Anderson, but he really took shit talking to the level it's at that we see from McGregor. McGregor just SOUNDS cooler because of that sweet accent :)

You're trolling I think. It's not Conor's accent that makes him sound cooler than Chael. It's the fact that he doesn't sound rehearsed. Stop comparing them please. Muhammad Ali is a better comparison for Conor than Chael. :yes:

Mik
September 15th, 2016, 9:18 AM
McGregor goes back and forth though. When he first made it big on the scene, most of his chat was down to self belief, it was more confidence than trash talk at first, he wasnt saying stuff that he didnt really believe to sell a fight (ala what Cormier does constantly which annoys me), now he definitely does a lot more of that.

Nash Diesel
September 15th, 2016, 10:04 AM
You're trolling I think. It's not Conor's accent that makes him sound cooler than Chael. It's the fact that he doesn't sound rehearsed. Stop comparing them please. Muhammad Ali is a better comparison for Conor than Chael. :yes:

And again, I'm keeping it in the realm of MMA. Basically anyone who trash talks in combat sports owes that approach to Ali. But again, for the 10th time, since this is the MMA forum, I'm keeping it in the realm of MMA with the comparisons because oh I don't know buddy it's the MMA forum lol......

Conor sounds rehearsed at times. He isn't just sitting there coming up with all that shit on the fly. The dude is a complete character, I've seen act completely normal and calm cool collect like on the ESPN documentary and on TUF. But when he flips that switch it's pretty entertaining and yeah I'll keep fucking saying it till you cry yourself to sleep, he's FOR SURE influenced by Chael Sonnen and others in MMA. I'm sure he's also influenced by Ali, Ric Flair, The Rock, and 100 other sports figures who have been really good at trash talking. Maybe even some Mike Tyson crazy shit talk has influenced him. And I think he sounds cooler than most because of his accent. Just like Liam Neesen or Jason Statham or Arnold, they make shit sound cool with their accents.

Spedizzo
September 15th, 2016, 10:07 AM
Conor sounds 100 times sharper and wittier than Chael

Chael was funny but sounds 100% like he was reading a script or trying to imitate a WWE promo

Chael was also nowhere near as vulgar as Conor which I think makes Conor even funnier. There are tons of Conor lines I can remember verbatim that I say to my friends in a irish accent all the time. The only Chael line I can vividly remember is the one about getting a black belt from the Noguieras is like getting a toy at McDonalds

Nash Diesel
September 15th, 2016, 10:15 AM
Conor sounds 100 times sharper and wittier than Chael

Chael was funny but sounds 100% like he was reading a script or trying to imitate a WWE promo

Chael was also nowhere near as vulgar as Conor which I think makes Conor even funnier. There are tons of Conor lines I can remember verbatim that I say to my friends in a irish accent all the time. The only Chael line I can vividly remember is the one about getting a black belt from the Noguieras is like getting a toy at McDonalds

Well I think Conor is that next level, that evolution of shit talking. Nobody was really coming at this vulgar in MMA other than maybe Rampage and even then Rampage kind of cooled off as years went by but his Pride shit talk was brutal. He didn't have a bunch of witty punchlines but it was funny stuff. I mean we've heard guys be vulgar but not as funny as McGregor is what I'm getting at. I think that's why a lot of people gravitate toward Nick and Nate Diaz for example, they come across as real dudes, not guys who are spending just as much time coming up with verbals as they do training.

Mark Hammer
September 15th, 2016, 10:40 AM
Rampage is funny as fuck but in a much different way.

Mark Hammer
September 15th, 2016, 10:46 AM
Conor sounds 100 times sharper and wittier than Chael

Chael was funny but sounds 100% like he was reading a script or trying to imitate a WWE promo

Chael was also nowhere near as vulgar as Conor which I think makes Conor even funnier. There are tons of Conor lines I can remember verbatim that I say to my friends in a irish accent all the time. The only Chael line I can vividly remember is the one about getting a black belt from the Noguieras is like getting a toy at McDonalds

I love how he pronounces 'fook'.

That terrible interview when the woman kept asking Nate Diaz these awful questions was one of my all time favorites. Conor and Nate killed it. Between Conor's "now about that coffee" (which had me peeing my pants) to Nate's "what the fuck is this, the money channel?", they made an otherwise dreadful interview into pure gold. You guys know which one I'm talking about correct?

Nash Diesel
September 15th, 2016, 10:51 AM
Not sure about that interview you'll have to post it up.

Mark Hammer
September 15th, 2016, 10:52 AM
Brb. Posting from a phone so wish me luck. It is must-see.

Mark Hammer
September 15th, 2016, 10:54 AM
Can someone go to YouTube and type 'conor nate money channel' and share the video in here please? Thanks.

Spedizzo
September 15th, 2016, 2:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6wn99sp4Tc

Spedizzo
September 15th, 2016, 2:24 PM
This is one of my favorite ones, these two guys interviewing them just keep instigating shit. It looks like based on how Conor/Nate are dressed it is from the same day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7rztQ_PhCs

Spedizzo
September 15th, 2016, 2:36 PM
Fox sports guy: Conor did you change your approach once Nate was named your opponent for your fight?

Conor: The only approached I changed was I dug the grave a little bit wider, a little bit longer, for Nate's skinny fat long body

:lol:

Nash Diesel
September 15th, 2016, 2:39 PM
I love how Nate just randomly gets up and leaves like this shit is boring as fuck.

It's fun listening to this but damn in hindsight McGregor talked soooo much shit and yeah he got paid but dude it's no doubt that the loss fucked this dude up mentally.

Spedizzo
September 15th, 2016, 2:45 PM
the roles reversed for the second fight. look how uncomfortable Nate Diaz was doing media for their first fight.

when he beat Conor he became a rockstar and was consumed by it and seemed to eat it all up

Conor did 0 media for UFC 202

meanwhile we have Nate Diaz with makeup on doing all the talk shows


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snczBgvGqoA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmW0v7GBNJw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TACvzE-nHfQ

Nash Diesel
September 15th, 2016, 2:50 PM
I've always thought Nate was the cooler, more level headed of the 2 brothers. I might not like some of the shit they've done in terms of the beatdown on Mayhem, shit like that, but you have to respect their skill and that they are draws. Nick Diaz arguably one of the greatest WW fighters of all time, never in a bad fight, always moved the needle. Now that Nate has been given the platform he might not be drawing a million buys each time out but I'd be shocked if he headlined a ppv and it was less than 300k. Props to him for that. I mean it's like with GSP, I believe the biggest ppv he ever headlined was against Nick Diaz. But he was already a big big draw. I think it showed that yeah, McGregor was part of that huge December card that had a great buyrate, but look at the 2 fights with Nate. Do you think he'd be able to make those numbers against ANYONE? Doubt it. Nate was the perfect guy and he's not even that creative with the shit talk, he's just a real dude that doesn't fuck around that doesn't have a gimmick it's just him and that's what people really really like.