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OD50
August 14th, 2014, 5:04 AM
So, in a fair MMA world without cheaters a thread like this wouldn't be needed, but since it's clearly not..
Mike King:
UFC middleweight Mike King tested positive for nandrolone following his bout against Cathal Pendred at UFC Fight Night Dublin: McGregor vs. Brandao on July 19, 2014. He was informed that his positive test violated the UFC Fighter Conduct Policy and Promotional Agreement with Zuffa, LLC. The UFC has a strict, consistent policy against the use of any illegal and/or performance-enhancing drugs, stimulants or masking agents by our athletes. He agreed to serve a 9-month suspension retroactive to the event and must pass a drug test before receiving clearance to compete again. He will forfeit his $50,000 Fight of the Night bonus.
Robert Drysdale and Kevin Casey:
The UFC has been notified by the Nevada State Athletic Commission that UFC middleweight Kevin Casey and light heavyweight Robert Drysdale failed drug tests following their fights at UFC 175 and The Ultimate Fighter Finale, respectively. Casey tested positive for drostanolone and Drysdale was flagged for an elevated testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio. Both fighters have been temporarily suspended from competition and informed their positive tests violated the UFC Fighter Conduct Policy and Promotional Agreement with Zuffa, LLC. The UFC has a strict, consistent policy against the use of any illegal and/or performance-enhancing drugs, stimulants or masking agents by our athletes and will support the NSAC’s determination pending a formal hearing at a later date.
Feel free to add more as the cases inevitable pile up.
OD50
August 14th, 2014, 5:32 AM
King has been released from the UFC.
McBain
August 14th, 2014, 5:53 AM
It's really hard not to draw the conclusion that the vast majority of professional sports men and women could well be on drugs.
OD50
August 14th, 2014, 6:08 AM
Well, when asked, fighters usually speculate somewhere in the 75-90% range.
McBain
August 14th, 2014, 6:44 AM
:lol:
Nash Diesel
August 14th, 2014, 9:16 AM
Yet the % of fighters that get popped are usually somewhere in the 5-10% range if that. And it's not always for PEDs. With that said, I'm glad the UFC and various athletic commissions are cracking down. Not saying they weren't before, but they've stepped it up for sure.
OD50
August 14th, 2014, 10:14 AM
You have to be quite a knucklehead to get busted by the standard UFC/AC's tests.
Mark Hammer
August 14th, 2014, 3:22 PM
It's really hard not to draw the conclusion that the vast majority of professional sports men and women could well be on drugs.
I don't think anyone here will argue that. Some however are/were doping to to the max. Vitor Belfort looked like a comic book superhero until recently when the commission laid down the hammer on his "TRT" (ie years and years of blatant steroid abuse littered with failed piss tests) usage and now he appears to be a shriveled 40 something ex-fighter. Those cases are the ones that really irk me, where you can see with your own eyes that a fighter is 100% artificial and the product of science. That cheating dickhead knocked off a couple of genuine contenders.
Mik
August 14th, 2014, 4:11 PM
Yet the % of fighters that get popped are usually somewhere in the 5-10% range if that. And it's not always for PEDs. With that said, I'm glad the UFC and various athletic commissions are cracking down. Not saying they weren't before, but they've stepped it up for sure.
Id say that the fighters are closer to the actual number than the historically shitting testing number.
Nash Diesel
August 14th, 2014, 4:19 PM
What is the actual number and the historically shitty testing number?
Mik
August 14th, 2014, 4:20 PM
Nooooboooody knoooooows.
OD50
August 20th, 2014, 10:22 AM
Another recent Vitor pic:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvb6NLiIgAI0jSp.jpg
Mik
August 20th, 2014, 1:49 PM
Could make welter.
Nash Diesel
August 20th, 2014, 3:52 PM
If Joe Riggs and Rumble Johnson can make 170, Vitor could make 170. Now at least lol. It's crazy how night and day his physique looks post-TRT banning.
OD50
August 20th, 2014, 4:47 PM
I have always wondered how some pro fighters who do tons of cardio, mitts work and shit can be more jacked than guys that do nothing but lift weights in the gym..
And honestly, Vitor kind of looks smaller than Gleison Tibau in that pic.
Fanny Batter
August 20th, 2014, 5:21 PM
Still convinced he'll fuck off somewhere random for his camp to avoid testing. The NSAC might be serious about drugs testing, but not serious enough to go to Tibet to test Vitor Belfort. He'll find a way to cheat. It's God's will.
OD50
August 23rd, 2014, 3:43 AM
Brian Ortega failed his (175) post fight test for drostanolone. Same drug as his teammate Kevin Casey popped for, what a coincidence..
:dunce:
/My bad, it was following UFC on FOX 12.
OD50
August 28th, 2014, 2:41 AM
The UFC is looking to (finally) implement random drug testing.
The end goal is unannounced, year-round blood and urine tests on the UFC's stable of approximately 500 athletes using an independent sample collector.
"We are meeting with different companies right now and we're going to have out-of-competition testing," Ratner told ESPN.com. "We're not sure when it's going to start, but we're working on it right now.
"Unannounced blood and urine is going to happen, hopefully in the next three or four months. When you're talking about 500 fighters, there are a lot of logistics. Having fighters in foreign countries makes it tougher, but we're coming up with a plan and (agencies) are making proposals to us in the next two weeks."
This could get interesting if they're legit serious about doing this.
Mark Hammer
August 28th, 2014, 3:58 PM
I have always wondered how some pro fighters who do tons of cardio, mitts work and shit can be more jacked than guys that do nothing but lift weights in the gym..
And honestly, Vitor kind of looks smaller than Gleison Tibau in that pic.
I know it was redundant but steroids give them the ability to have intense workouts multiple times a day. So while average Joe is resting after lifting his weights (like a normal human being with physical limits) the juice head is lifting weights, doing cardio, fight training, lifting more weights, more cardio, etc. all day every day. On some good horsemeat your body has no need or desire to rest after a workout.
Percussion
July 6th, 2015, 5:14 PM
Melendez popped and gone for a year. Bummer of a time for Gil.
http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-Statement-on-Gilbert-Melendez
Mark Hammer
July 6th, 2015, 5:23 PM
Oof. Two-fight skid + year layoff = not good.
He might want to get his money back for those PEDs because vs Alvarez he performed like shit.
Mik
July 7th, 2015, 10:51 AM
He was dreadful. He deserves a ban for getting UDed by an opponent with one eye.
OD50
July 7th, 2015, 10:59 AM
Both Giblert and Eddie gassed pretty badly, which they normally don't. I blame Mexico.
Mark Hammer
July 7th, 2015, 11:07 AM
Everybody on that fight card minus Werdum gassed that night didn't they?
Cain Velasquez isn't very popular on Sherdog (a combination of his fight infrequency + the fact that for the most part that forum loves JDS). And while he lost fair and square (I'm sure he had the means to set up a camp near Mexico City, he was unprepared) people are scoffing at the altitude playing a factor. First time Cain gasses ever, not to mention everybody else on that card also gassing, including the women strawweights... but that 1000 m above sea level isn't going to affect 240 pound Velasquez? They're also treating that fight as if Cain got steamrolled and was never even in it...
Cain will earn a rematch. He's probably the best HW fighter in the world, I think he beats everyone in the division, including Werdum if they were to fight in say Las Vegas.
OD50
July 7th, 2015, 11:12 AM
Fighters usually gas way more often than usual on the Colorado/New Mexico cards, I think actual Mexico is way worse than both of them.
I'm kind of bummed that a fight I had awaited (Melendez/Alvarez) for 5 years or something took place where both guys looked their absolute worst.
Werdum lived in Mexico for 2-3 months before this fight to prepare didn't he?
Spedizzo
July 7th, 2015, 1:35 PM
I am suprised that Cain isn't liked on Sherdog. I was under the assumption that he was everyone's favorite heavyweight since Fedor.
I got banned years ago from Sherdog for posting this picture of Hermes Franca stuffing his shorts at a weigh in:
http://cdn2.cagepotato.com/wp-content/uploads/1059.jpg
They are a bunch of uptight twats at Sherdog. Keyboard warriors at its finest. They also get way too caught up with who is "top 10, top 5, GOAT, who would win if all things are equal - Brock Lesnar or Mighty Mouse, etc" and don't realize how volatile the sport of MMA is, how getting caught with one punch could change the direction of a career, and how age is such a factor.
Because they are twats.
Mark Hammer
July 7th, 2015, 1:57 PM
Fighters usually gas way more often than usual on the Colorado/New Mexico cards, I think actual Mexico is way worse than both of them.
I'm kind of bummed that a fight I had awaited (Melendez/Alvarez) for 5 years or something took place where both guys looked their absolute worst.
Werdum lived in Mexico for 2-3 months before this fight to prepare didn't he?
At least. I'm pretty sure he has a home near Mexico City.
I am suprised that Cain isn't liked on Sherdog. I was under the assumption that he was everyone's favorite heavyweight since Fedor.
I got banned years ago from Sherdog for posting this picture of Hermes Franca stuffing his shorts at a weigh in:
http://cdn2.cagepotato.com/wp-content/uploads/1059.jpg
They are a bunch of uptight twats at Sherdog. Keyboard warriors at its finest. They also get way too caught up with who is "top 10, top 5, GOAT, who would win if all things are equal - Brock Lesnar or Mighty Mouse, etc" and don't realize how volatile the sport of MMA is, how getting caught with one punch could change the direction of a career, and how age is such a factor.
Because they are twats.
A pretty good synopsis of that community. But no, they hate Cain. Many hate him for taking 20 years off JDS' life... many hate him because he's so fragile and injured all the time... and many hate him because he has the audacity to acknowledge his Mexican heritage despite being a US citizen ("from America" as they like to put it). He's not popular there, and discussion is a chore at the moment because you can't talk about Cain's last fight without 20 people chiming in that it was a one-sided dominant beatdown and Cain loses to Werdum 10/10 times.
Reminds me of the build to the Cain/JDS rematch to be honest... I wasn't sure who'd win but unlike most (who predicted another 1 minute knockout) I gave Cain a fighting chance. So you can imagine my joy when Cain took JDS to shop and back. I also think he KO's Werdum in a rematch just a bit closer to sea level.
Percussion
July 7th, 2015, 2:00 PM
Discussion is a chore at the moment on sherdog? I was under the impression that discussion was non-existent as a function of sherdog.
Mark Hammer
July 7th, 2015, 2:01 PM
Touche.
Nash Diesel
July 7th, 2015, 2:32 PM
Sherdog is the land of bipolar MMA fans. 50% of the threads bash Cain, the other 50% praise Cain. A big reason I think I shit on your other thread about drug users Mark is that it screamed SHERDOG and I just hate that kind of cornball shit in this forum. I have no say in what gets posted and what doesn't and the rules are pretty generic around here so you're not crossing any boundaries, but again, it was almost like I showed up to Sherdog Jr seeing that kind of shit turned into a thread instead of just being talked about in the PEDs thread we already have going.
Mik
July 7th, 2015, 2:41 PM
Mark does occasionally seem to forget that this place isn't sherdog and realise that for the most part he is discussing with fairly rational and sensible posters on here. I think that's why his posting attitude is a little stuck in the sherdog way of thinking, so I'd cut him a bit of slack for that. If we all posted on there we'd maybe be a little more on the defensive/attack all the time too.
Mark Hammer
July 7th, 2015, 2:47 PM
I was just trying to have a little fun with the "Beat the tester" thread. The MMA forum here is practically dead. Should have known ND would ignore all of the examples I gave to focus on Aldo (and me).
Mark Hammer
July 7th, 2015, 2:49 PM
Mark does occasionally seem to forget that this place isn't sherdog and realise that for the most part he is discussing with fairly rational and sensible posters on here. I think that's why his posting attitude is a little stuck in the sherdog way of thinking, so I'd cut him a bit of slack for that. If we all posted on there we'd maybe be a little more on the defensive/attack all the time too.
I don't forget at all, I'm only aggressive towards ND because he trolls like a mother and lies and fabricates and generally just makes a mess out of discussion.
Nash Diesel
July 7th, 2015, 2:58 PM
Mark does occasionally seem to forget that this place isn't sherdog and realise that for the most part he is discussing with fairly rational and sensible posters on here. I think that's why his posting attitude is a little stuck in the sherdog way of thinking, so I'd cut him a bit of slack for that. If we all posted on there we'd maybe be a little more on the defensive/attack all the time too.
Oh is that what is? Dude posts on Sherturd and that excuses him but not the rest of us? Word up mod.
Mark Hammer
July 10th, 2015, 5:42 AM
Excuses me from what? You troll like an mf'er, nobody thinks either of us is innocent.
Concerning Aldo's drug test debacle, I misspoke. When Aldo showed up (hours late) to his second appointment, his sample got "accidentally" spilled. A urine sample wasn't received by authorities until the third attempt.
Soooooo fucking shady...
Mik
July 10th, 2015, 9:04 AM
I cut you both more slack than you probably deserve because you at least bring discussion to this forum and we need that. If you would prefer that I start tightening up on that, just you let me know.
Mark Hammer
July 10th, 2015, 12:05 PM
It is silly and I'd like to call a truce with ND. I realize I can be condescending at times. Apologies.
OD50
July 18th, 2015, 5:36 AM
Augosto Montana failed his drug test at UFC 188 for exogenous testosterone just like Giblert Melendez. Both are suspended for 1 year. Luckily for them the event took place on June 13, had they failed post July 1st they'd been suspended 2 years instead.
OD50
January 13th, 2016, 7:07 AM
Yoel "No Gay Jesus" Romero failed an out-of-competition sample collection.
Part of me feels very satisfied when jacked guys like Romero, Tibau and Lombard pops for PED's. I've been telling people for the last 20 years or so that you just can't get super yoked on training, genetics and oatmeal like they are being told. I've been weigh trainingt since 1989 and has had people tell me I must suck for not getting super buff and jacked like some others do in all that time.. If you tell them it's the lack of roids, you get the standard "you're just jealous" response.
Nash Diesel
January 13th, 2016, 10:16 AM
Yoel "No Gay Jesus" Romero failed an out-of-competition sample collection.
Part of me feels very satisfied when jacked guys like Romero, Tibau and Lombard pops for PED's. I've been telling people for the last 20 years or so that you just can't get super yoked on training, genetics and oatmeal like they are being told. I've been weigh trainingt since 1989 and has had people tell me I must suck for not getting super buff and jacked like some others do in all that time.. If you tell them it's the lack of roids, you get the standard "you're just jealous" response.
You know I am not surprised. The whole time the Jacare-Romero fight was going on my buddies were like "Jesus that dude is shredded" and one guy said it was probably a combination of genetics and steroids. I was like, this dude is just all muscle, he gasses out super quick, had Jacare not taken that fucking beating at the end of round 1 he would've won but he was spent as well for getting his shit rocked half to death lol. Sucks for Romero, I'm almost certain he was next in line to fight Rockhold.
Mik
January 13th, 2016, 5:34 PM
Romero should've won on points either.
The 'eye' test for steroids does seem to work, not that you HAVE to be super ripped in order to be on steroids, but that if you are both super ripped and big...you probably are.
OD50
January 15th, 2016, 5:39 AM
Not to mention pushing 40 like Belfort and Romero.
You know, the only peeps you know for sure were natural are the ones competing before synthetic testosterone, dianabol and all that shit was around, after that, well yeah.. Anyone and anything post late 50's early 60's is suspect.
This dude won a body building championship in 1952, doubt he'd place too highly at Mr Olympia 2016..
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_04/MaxMooreThenNNP_468x333.jpg
http://kulturistika.ronnie.cz/img/data/clanky/normal/19856_3.jpg
"Well, but, but.. They know about protein powder and proper nutrition these days.."
Yeah right, fuck off.
OD50
January 15th, 2016, 5:49 AM
Romero should've won on points either.
I actually had Jacare wining 29-28 I think, despite getting knocked down. Maybe I was just biased, not sure. Won't rewatch though, fight kind of sucked.
Spedizzo
January 15th, 2016, 9:08 AM
Not to mention pushing 40 like Belfort and Romero.
You know, the only peeps you know for sure were natural are the ones competing before synthetic testosterone, dianabol and all that shit was around, after that, well yeah.. Anyone and anything post late 50's early 60's is suspect.
This dude won a body building championship in 1952, doubt he'd place too highly at Mr Olympia 2016..
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_04/MaxMooreThenNNP_468x333.jpg
http://kulturistika.ronnie.cz/img/data/clanky/normal/19856_3.jpg
"Well, but, but.. They know about protein powder and proper nutrition these days.."
Yeah right, fuck off.
you mean guys like John Cena aren't just working out really hard and taking a lot of protein? how much protein does a normal 20 year old need to take to have the body Cena has below?
http://broscience.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/cenajohnbodybuild1.jpg
but he said he is clean
famous athletes lie?
I honestly think if a casual fan looks at an athlete and suspects they are on the juice, they probably are
OD50
January 15th, 2016, 9:25 AM
Famous people never lie, period..
http://grumpyelder.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bill-Clinton-Pinocchio-Nose.jpg
Nash Diesel
January 15th, 2016, 10:42 AM
I was just watching a Dan Severn shoot interview and there's a part where the guy asks him if he thought Ken Shamrock was on steroids and other fighters. Dan says if you compare a normal bodybuilder versus a "professional" bodybuilder, the normal bodybuilder looks a like a weakling compared to the professional. He also said that in the late 90's there were people saying they could beat this guy and that guy so someone, maybe Dan, said that he wanted everyone to pitch in $5,000, put it on a UFC card, and the only requirement would be to test the day of the fight and those who didn't pass couldn't fight. Dan said Don Frye was the only guy with the balls to call him up and say if that happened, you'd win the whole thing without breaking a sweat implying everyone but Dan would fail. For one, Severn is the fucking man, such a nice guy and a great fighter, a pioneer. And he would fight anyone, roids or not.
Since I don't know shit about putting on muscle I try to be as subjective as I can because I've seen guys who are like 215 looking ripped but not very big, and they've been popped for using PEDs. I remember when it happened to Rey Misterio, I was like shit he doesn't look muscular, he just looks like he's putting on weight as he got older but then someone explained to me that you don't have to be shredded like Warrior because look at Hulk Hogan, 2 totally different physiques, Hogan was super bulky and Warrior was like bodybuilder shredded. So it made sense after that.
OD50
January 15th, 2016, 10:56 AM
Common misconception that you have to be huge and ripped to be on 'roids'. They enhance pretty much everything you'd want, from Tour de France looking weaklings to massive power lifters, depending on what you use of course. From EPO to Anadrol, the results differ.
Nash Diesel
January 15th, 2016, 11:20 AM
Common misconception that you have to be huge and ripped to be on 'roids'. They enhance pretty much everything you'd want, from Tour de France looking weaklings to massive power lifters, depending on what you use of course. From EPO to Anadrol, the results differ.
True, I mean you could be using them to heal faster i.e. Anderson Silva not necessarily to look shredded, which is why I think a lot of people have a harder time believing he was doing them because he's not a big guy at all, looks kinda flabby, but here he gets popped for like 3 different drugs.
Mik
January 17th, 2016, 5:30 AM
I actually had Jacare wining 29-28 I think, despite getting knocked down. Maybe I was just biased, not sure. Won't rewatch though, fight kind of sucked.
Yeah I meant to type 'shouldn'tve'.
OD50
January 17th, 2016, 1:28 PM
:yes:
OD50
January 20th, 2016, 12:38 PM
Diego Brandao tested positive for weed at UFC 195. Good job.
OD50
February 4th, 2016, 11:50 AM
Tim "Dirty Bird" Means is out of his fight with Cerrone due to a flagged testing result.
OD50
April 14th, 2016, 5:24 AM
Lyoto Machida failed an out of competition test and is out of the fight against Dan Henderson. Gegard Mousasi might have been on to something..
Nash Diesel
April 14th, 2016, 9:52 AM
Lyoto Machida failed an out of competition test and is out of the fight against Dan Henderson. Gegard Mousasi might have been on to something..
Yeah and he openly admitted to it when filling out what shit he was taking. I bet he was using this to cut weight easier. As you get older, it's a lot harder to do.
I will say this, I get that TRT was allowed ok I really do, but IMHO it's just as bad as the other shit. And for Hendo to call Lyoto a piece of shit for this, it's a little strange considering Hendo was basically the poster child for TRT. It is what it is.
OD50
April 14th, 2016, 11:29 AM
He recently blasted Bellator about their "legends fights" but I can't help to think that's the place for him when his UFC contract expires. He has nothing to offer against the top guys at 185 or 205 these days, except being a stepping stone and a "marquee name" to get KTFO a couple of times on his way out (a la Chuck). In Bellator he could fight Kimbo, Tito Ortiz, do the rubber match with (equally washed up) Wanderlei Silva and maybe even rematch Fedor. As irrelevant as those fights would be they would draw monster ratings for Bellator and give Hendo a nice chunk of change to add to his retirement account.
Mark Hammer
April 14th, 2016, 1:12 PM
This was a stupid match up anyways. Would have been nice to see either of them vs just about anyone else though.
Mark Hammer
April 14th, 2016, 1:14 PM
I will say this, I get that TRT was allowed ok I really do, but IMHO it's just as bad as the other shit. And for Hendo to call Lyoto a piece of shit for this, it's a little strange considering Hendo was basically the poster child for TRT. It is what it is.
Not really looking at the bigger picture here; old man Hendo just put in a full camp and now he's not getting paid. I'd be upset too.
Nash Diesel
April 14th, 2016, 1:49 PM
Not really looking at the bigger picture here; old man Hendo just put in a full camp and now he's not getting paid. I'd be upset too.
Yeah but to call the guy a piece of shit, idk, seemed out of character for a guy who seems pretty mellow. I mean, did Jon Jones call him a piece of shit for ruining an entire ppv? No, Jones was the one crucified for not fighting another TRT lame.
Mark Hammer
April 14th, 2016, 3:35 PM
I was actually going to mention that but didn't because Hendo pulled out due to injury, not due to knowingly taking banned substances then getting surprised by a random.
Nash Diesel
April 14th, 2016, 4:24 PM
I was actually going to mention that but didn't because Hendo pulled out due to injury, not due to knowingly taking banned substances then getting surprised by a random.
Yeah but he was still a piece of shit for knowing he was injured for awhile and then pulling out at the last minute. And I even think there's truth to the fact Chael was training with him, knew of the injury, and then threw his name in the hat immediately hoping to get a quick payday. Bottom line is on one hand I can respect Machida for being honest but in this day and age, you and your team need to be on the up and up about what you can and can't take. That's on Machida so add that fucking guy to a laundry list of top guys from Brazil who seem to back up what Chael said about how there's apparently no internet in Brazil lol.
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