WWE RAW - August 5, 2013 - From 'YES!' man to company man

[Kimura Kid]

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- The Wyatt Family will return. Will Kane be their focus yet again?

- Layla betrayed Kaitlyn Friday night on Smackdown and aligned herself with Divas Champion AJ Lee. What will Kaityln have to say tonight?

- Christian was deemed #1 Contender for the World Heavyweight Championship Friday night. Will his impressive momentum continue on RAW?

- The McMahons want to give Daniel Bryan a “Corporate Makeover* on RAW. Will we see Mr. Goatface get sheered?

- CM Punk and Brock Lesnar are confirmed for SummerSlam. Will they come face-to-face tonight with both of them being in the building?

- Ryback has been a big bully as of late. Will his bullying ways continue, or will someone teach him to “Be a Star?”

- Triple H, Vince McMahon, Brock Lesnar, and Rob Van Dam are all advertised for the show.

[Hero!]

I'm excited, since RAW has been great the last few weeks. I hope we see more of Punk and DA WYATTs this week. Also, they really need to get Ziggler in a program for Summerslam. Who's not doing anything right now? Ambrose? Barrett?

[Kimura Kid]

I imagine Ziggler will face Big E. Possibly in the pre show of SS......ffs that's terrible.

[G-Fresh]

It could be worse. It could be on the actual PPV.

[Kimura Kid]

Haha! I'm actually excited for the match....just kinda bummed for Ziggler. I'd imagine he had different plans for his Summer Slam 2013.

[mth]

Reckon Ziggler and Big E could have a damn fine match at SummerSlam. Ziggler will get back in the title picture in time. He's got some character development to do first. You can't turn face without sorting out the relationships with your former (and still heel) associates. Big E/AJ are an obstacle he's got to overcome before he can get his sights realigned on the belt.

[Andy]

I can see E/Zig opening the show, maybe a multi man IC match on the pre-show or even Kaitlyn vs Layla.

[Kimura Kid]

Reckon Ziggler and Big E could have a damn fine match at SummerSlam. Ziggler will get back in the title picture in time. He's got some character development to do first. You can't turn face without sorting out the relationships with your former (and still heel) associates. Big E/AJ are an obstacle he's got to overcome before he can get his sights realigned on the belt.

That's a great point. I understand and agree with that. Shit is rushed all to often nowadays in wrestling. Hopefully they are handling Ziggler properly and not forgetting about him.


I can see E/Zig opening the show, maybe a multi man IC match on the pre-show or even Kaitlyn vs Layla.

I assume you meant "Can't see them opening SS"

And I hope your right....I just have this gut feeling it will. It really hasn't been pushed as one of the major stories.....or a relevant story for that matter as of late.

[Andy]

No I did mean that I can see them having the first match at SS and I think it'd be a fun match too.

Christian being the number 1 contender is kinda weird. Hopefully he wins and is a bit of a transitional champ the way everyone thought Del Rio would be. I can understand if they don't want to keep going and going with ADR/Ziggler. Henry takes it off Christian, Ziggler takes it off Henry. Book it.

[G-Fresh]

Nah fuck all that noise. Christian deserves a good reign.

[Hero!]

He was a solid world champ back in the day. Great ECW champ too.

[mth]

I'd turn Christian heel and have him be a rival for the belt when Ziggler has it.

[G-Fresh]

He was a solid world champ back in the day. Great ECW champ too.

He was WHC 2 times for like a month and got buried by Orton over & over. Ain't nothing solid about that.

[Kimura Kid]

No I did mean that I can see them having the first match at SS and I think it'd be a fun match too.

Ok, I understand now. Sorry for the misunderstanding. :yes:


Christian being the number 1 contender is kinda weird. Hopefully he wins and is a bit of a transitional champ the way everyone thought Del Rio would be. I can understand if they don't want to keep going and going with ADR/Ziggler. Henry takes it off Christian, Ziggler takes it off Henry. Book it.

That would work. Although I like Christian looking like he has a chance to win the title at Summer Slam only to have Del Rio retain clean. ADR will look like a strong Champion when Ziggler challenges him next.

ADR title reign is super impressive in my eyes. After Ziggler Cashed in on a softened up ADR to win the tile the night after Mania and remember ADR still looked strong even in the loss. Then Del Rio defeated Swagger at Extreme Rules in an I quit match. Then Del Rio destroyed a returning Ziggler at Payback who was medically cleared to compete, Winning Back the championship and re injuring Ziggler in the process. Then ADR defeated Ziggler again at MITB due to AJ's interference.

If he can beat Christain clean at SS he will look like a very strong Champion for a Baby Face underdog like Ziggler.

[Hero!]

Good matches and he felt like a main event heel. His ECW championship run provided some fantastic matches too.

[Hero!]

D Bry lookin' good

[Andy]

That was great.

[Judas Iscariot]

Why does Vinnie Mac keep saying "Double E"

[Funboy]

make-up instead of makeover.
he's choking. gone senile.

[The Law]

I thought we were going to get a Brutus Beefcake cameo there. That would have been incredibly random.

[JT4104]

Wade Barrett??? Sure, why not.

[Andy]

This is taking far too long.

Why the fuck is Wade Barrett the barber? :lol:

[hithit]

this is some good television right here!

[TooCool]

Poor Wade. Been a jobber for so long, and here I thought something good was going to happen to him. Now he's just a jobber with a ****ed up beard.

[Andy]

That was so fucking strange. Vince's tie, Barrett the barber, the shirt. Well, it made me laugh and Bryan was great so, fine I guess.

[Hero!]

Barrett will do anything for a push.

[Jimmy Zero]

Vince's tie was pimp as hell.

[Hero!]

"OM ERE TO SHAVE YOR BEER" was a great line, though

[Andy]

Bryan's promo was really cool though, enjoyed it a lot.

[Beer-Belly]

http://i.imgur.com/AiPiS7r.jpg

Dope.

[Jimmy Zero]

Ricardo! Awesome.

[Zacharie]

They should give Wade a barber gimmick now.

[Jimmy Zero]

I'm still not clear on why SummerSlam needs a host.

[TooCool]

Oh no! Ricardo!!

[JT4104]

damn...RIcardo sells like a champ.

[mr sabu]

miz is shit on commentry

and now rr becomes a wrestler

[Hero!]

Pobrecito Ricardo :(

[TooCool]

damn...RIcardo sells like a champ.

He should become Ziggler's tag team partner.

[Andy]

How wonderfully violent.

[Andy]

So by WWE's recent logic Ricardo is now a face. Maybe they're wanting him to be a wrestler now?

[Beer-Belly]

So by WWE's recent logic Ricardo is now a face. Maybe they're wanting him to be a wrestler now?

It's not really recent, though. Face turns by way of heel beatdowns have been around for ages. That's basically how Austin turned.

[Jimmy Zero]

Anyone else think Cody looks like a whiney little bitch in his Sandow feud?

[Beer-Belly]

No, Cody's justifiably bitter.

[Jimmy Zero]

It's an every man for himself match. I think it's weird.

And this crowd is DEAD.

[TooCool]

Anyone else think Cody looks like a whiney little bitch in his Sandow feud?

That's how faces usually are anyway.

I think WWE dropped the ball here on Sandow's intellect during the MITB Match. I recall Sandow crawling near the announce table to "hide" near the end of the match. Up until the point where he saw Cody climb that ladder so he can shove him off. Cody could have at least called Sandow out on that, and have Sandow argue that he was smarter than him.

[JT4104]

Ok....I hate this crowd. Just lousy right now.

[Andy]

Only took 55 minutes for a face to win via count out this week. What exactly was the point in that?

[Kimura Kid]

Wyatt family already have their own movie. lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufUQWpEkbf0

[VHS]

This diva stuff is straight up porn acting caliber. Horrible.

[One Man Gang]

Ok....I hate this crowd. Just lousy right now.

During the Ryback/Henry segment, it was the first time I've ever noticed the sound of the generators running.

[Jimmy Zero]

Cena throwing the belt around like that really bugs me.

[Hero!]

This crowd BLOWS.

[Beer-Belly]

Did the crowd collectively get told that their pets died after the opening segment? LIVEN UP.

Cena's wiggering out.

[Jimmy Zero]

Cena: "I've been here for 12 years and have been boring as fuck for 10 of them!"

[Hero!]

Cena's wiggering out.

Blahaha, glad i'm not the only who noticed.

[Hero!]

Boring chants? Really?

[JT4104]

Cena's wiggering out.
Well...does that count as a character change? At least Green Bay started a semi weak boring chant.

[VHS]

Very heel-ish Cena promo if you ask me. Tell us how awesome you are, John.

[Lagom]

Yeah, this crowd can suck a dick. Cena has been great here, they're the fucking boring ones.

[Jimmy Zero]

Well, they're not wrong. I think this is pretty boring.

This is like HHH in the early 2000's. Cena gives the same "I'm me, love it or leave it" speech for years.

[mr sabu]

cena you weren't lucky 11 times. you where booked to win 11 times

[Hero!]

BOREton is here

[Hero!]

oh man, i completely forgot he had the MITB. cash in..?

[Jimmy Zero]

LOL Ladies and gentleman, if you thought that was boring, well get ready for Randy Orton!

[wardy]

I WILL BE THE WWE TITLE

[Andy]

The crowd aren't wrong on the boring chants. Love me or hate me I still respect you Cena promo number 863.

Even this crowd who have been absolutely dead still manage to go bananas for anything Daniel Bryan related.

[Hero!]

"wake up in the mirror"
"who walks out of summerslam the wwe title"

lots of botchamania material tonight.

[Andy]

THANK YOU SHI-ELD

[wardy]

EVER SINCE I WAS A YOUNG BOY I DREAMED OF BEING A BASEBALL

[Hero!]

TAG TEAM MATCH PLAYAS

[Andy]

Oh yes that's a hell of a main event. Give them 25 minutes.

[mr sabu]

now thats a main event

[JT4104]

The crowd aren't wrong on the boring chants. Love me or hate me I still respect you Cena promo number 863.

Even this crowd who have been absolutely dead still manage to go bananas for anything Daniel Bryan related.
I dunno.....863 might be on the low side.

[Jimmy Zero]

Not gonna lie, after Cena pointed out his fucked up elbow, it was all I could pay attention to.

[TooCool]

Hahaha. Being a GM is so simple. "Oh shoot, 6 people are gonna fight. I think we should do it Teddy Long Style. 6 Man Tag Match for the Main Event!"

[G-Fresh]

Cena's wiggering out.

reported

[Kimura Kid]

Great Main Event for us tonight!! Cena's elbow was wicked!

[Hero!]

WYATT TIME YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Beer-Belly]

These podunks better liven up for Bray.

[JT4104]

dammit Green Bay......show the proper respect to the Wyatt Family

[mr sabu]

fuck brodus up

[Jimmy Zero]

That was awesome. Fuck Tons of Funk.

[Hero!]

INFERNO MATCH GOD YES

OH BRAY POSING IN THE FLAMES, I LOVE IT.

[Jimmy Zero]

Oh shit. Bringing back the Inferno Match?

[Kimura Kid]

Inferno Match at SS???

[mr sabu]

infernooooooooooo match

[TooCool]

Inferno match?! Helllllllllllllll yes

[Hero!]

Kane's what 2-1 in inferno matches?

[Andy]

INFERNO MATCH TEASE?!

Oh shit Kane gonna get burned the fuck up

[JT4104]

Kane's what 2-1 in inferno matches?
I thought he was 1-2..but not that sure.

[Hero!]

Haha, Punk's gonna snip Brock's nuts off

[Hero!]

I thought he was 1-2..but not that sure.

Doh yes, misremembering

[mr sabu]

just bring laycool back

[JT4104]

Layla is heel now? Alright, might as well give her the ole McCool theme.

[The Guy on the Couch]

Where is this Raw at? I am curious as to where they are never going to again.

[Hero!]

Green Bay, I believe

[VHS]

Put Layla with Barrett... She's in dire need of a main squeeze.

AJ in pigtails... Yuss.

Boy listen to these fans though ehh?

[Andy]

Ugh, lazy booking 101 tonight. Heel walks out on the match and get counted out. Face gets distracted by heel music playing and loses match. Load of shite. :no:

[mr sabu]

kane had an inferno match with triple h, 2 with taker, one with mvp

[Hero!]

More teams should hold hands and skip around

[The Guy on the Couch]

Green Bay, I believe

R-Truth needs to come out and say "What's up Madison WIIISCOOONSIIIN" that will perk these bastards up!

[TooCool]

So excited for Summerslam now. Already pumped for Cena/Bryan and Punk/Lesnar. But that inferno match tease/announcement put me over the top. Can't wait.

[VHS]

I can see through JBL's smile. He's bored as toast.

[Andy]

SLATER YES

[Hero!]

This is feeling like a very "safe" RAW and the crowd AIN'T HELPING. Yawn.

[JT4104]

At this point.....Kaitlyn might want to invest in Big Brothers/Big Sisters, if I'm not mistaken they have to be loyal to you.

[Andy]

So Rhodes/Sandow and Kane/Bray are official in some sort of capacity. Hopefully MITB and inferno stips are added.

E/Ziggler tonight puzzles me. That'll be twice on TV, can't see them going again on PPV. So that would leave Ziggler with under two weeks to get something built in time. Hmm.

[JT4104]

So Rhodes/Sandow and Kane/Bray are official in some sort of capacity. Hopefully MITB and inferno stips are added.

E/Ziggler tonight puzzles me. That'll be twice on TV, can't see them going again on PPV. So that would leave Ziggler with under two weeks to get something built in time. Hmm.
AJ run in/Big E beat down seems about right to set up the blow off at SummerSlam.

[mr sabu]

brock was advertised tonight isn't he

[JT4104]

So the 2 indy guys and the 2 vets have been the only guys to get reactions tonight. Damn shame Green Bay.

[Jimmy Zero]

Punk looks like a missing cast member from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with that god awful haircut.

[Hero!]

CM Punk got 'em up more than Cena. CM Punk is money, WWE you fools.

[Kimura Kid]

Punk missing the perfect tribute was pretty bad.

[Beer-Belly]

Why wouldn't Punk just nail Axel in the nads and go after Heyman?

[Hero!]

Oh fuck this fucking crowd.

[Hero!]

from a "boring" chant to a "this is awesome" chant?

[Jimmy Zero]

What is with this crowd?

This is not an awesome match.

[mr sabu]

the cword is a bunch of idiots

[hithit]

this is some good stuff.

[Zacharie]

For them being so limited in what they can do, this Brock/Punk feud is pretty cool.

[JT4104]

Punk/Lesnar/Heyman....this is fantastic shit.

[mr sabu]

HE'S BUSTED WIDE OPEN

[Jimmy Zero]

That was great. Too bad we had to sit through Curtis Axel to get there.

[TooCool]

from a "boring" chant to a "this is awesome" chant?

I think they were chanting Walrus at Heyman and not boring.

[Beer-Belly]

They were chanting "walrus".

[JT4104]

also...Punk sold that F5 like a champ.

[Beer-Belly]

Ahahaha. Brock rules.

[G-Fresh]

Well that was awkward.

[JT4104]

and now Fandango......this night is now getting better.

[Hero!]

I think they were chanting Walrus at Heyman and not boring.


They were chanting "walrus".

:yes: Thanks, I was seriously heated for a second there. Still, fuck this crowd.

[Hero!]

KOFI~!

[VHS]

I here damn Shelton!

[JT4104]

Man...Kofi just looks weird with pants.

[mr sabu]

ahhh god fucking dammit it fuck off kofi

[Zacharie]

I didnt know Kofi started wearing pants.

[Hero!]

Kofi looks like he dropped a bunch of muscle mass. Could explain the long tights.

[mr sabu]

hey... he now wears pants

[VHS]

I didnt know Kofi started wearing pants.

Everybody knows Kofi wears pants.

[The Guy on the Couch]

I like Kofi's long tights. Way better than the blue cow gear.

[JT4104]

did Kofi always have those tats on his back or am I seeing things?

[VHS]

Kofi's boobs have drifted further apart they're almost in his armpits.

[Hero!]

did Kofi always have those tats on his back or am I seeing things?

He's had 'em since last year.

[JT4104]

dammit to hell.....that sucks.

[Zacharie]

Dem pants got Kofi a win finally.

[Jimmy Zero]

LOL HHH looks like Barney Rubble.

[Hero!]

Kofi's boobs have drifted further apart they're almost in his armpits.

I'm tellin' ya, he looks to have dropped a good bit of weight. I wonder why.

[VHS]

I'm tellin' ya, he looks to have dropped a good bit of weight. I wonder why.

Hard to maintain bulk when you're injured, vitchee.

[wardy]

I'm tellin' ya, he looks to have dropped a good bit of weight. I wonder why.Maybe the Yamaguchis got him...

[JT4104]

Hard to maintain bulk when you're injured, vitchee.
While true...he looked really frail compared to when he left.

[Hero!]

Hard to maintain bulk when you're injured, vitchee.

Yupp. Probably shoulda spent some time in the gym before coming back. He looks to have the same physique as Christian these days

[Beer-Belly]

They liven up to chant for their fucking football team.

[JT4104]

Hmm....so when do the Uso's battle ToF for the love of Funkadactyls?

[TooCool]

I love Swagger's music.

[JT4104]

At least Big E gets to come out to his own theme instead of AJ's......

[The Guy on the Couch]

To those people awhile back who said Big E's theme is no good... you are wrong.

[The Guy on the Couch]

Here comes teddy! let's make this a mixed tag match Playa!

[Hero!]

Kaitlyn is beyond horrible

[JT4104]

Well....I'm not going to lie, this everyone turning on Kaitlyn and her screwing up thing has peeked my viewership of some of these divas.

[VHS]

Oh look, it's two whores nobody knows.

[Hero!]

Kaitlyn is just so fucking awkward. She sauntered to the ring as if she wasn't bothered and just sort of rolled on top of AJ. After that, she just STOOD THERE until E looked at her like "bitch, get out before you ruin the shot."

[Hero!]

I hope Orton comes out now. This way, he'll actually be halfway to the ring by the time we come back from commercial break.

[hithit]

what happened to cenas elbow?

[Hero!]

Is it me or does everyone's sense of timing seem to be off tonight? It's like the entire roster took a muscle relaxer before the show because they're all just awkward as fuck tonight.

[JT4104]

Is it me or does everyone's sense of timing seem to be off tonight? It's like the entire roster took a muscle relaxer before the show because they're all just awkward as fuck tonight.You try performing in boring ass Green Bay.

[JT4104]

Not to mention....granted it's not in the Cena/Bryan/Orton thing, but shouldn't Big Mark be out there for a little more retribution on the Shield?

[SheltonLondon]

Is it me or does everyone's sense of timing seem to be off tonight? It's like the entire roster took a muscle relaxer before the show because they're all just awkward as fuck tonight.

Noticed that myself as a pretty casual fan, been a couple of awkward moments in a lot of the in ring segments tonight.

[TooCool]

Orton, the true leader of the Shield.

By the way, I know the ref called for the bell because RAW had to end, but what a stupid call. It's a tag match and they were breaking up the submission.

[mr sabu]

the main event could have been so much more if they cut so much useless shit out

[Jimmy Zero]

Pretty lame Raw, over all.

The Wyatt segment was great, but what else is new? Everything else was pretty meh.

Cena's elbow was incredibly distracting.

[StoneColdWWE316]

Not a bad RAW tonight. Things picked up after the 1st Hour.

the CM Punk/Brock Lesnar brawl was pretty awesome.

[Judas Iscariot]

Inferno match? :hyper:

[blackening]

I was at the show tonight. Thought it was a pretty damn good show.

So I thought the crowd was solid but my wife said it was shit when she watched it.

[Saint]

what happened to cenas elbow?

If anyone finds a picture, would you mind posting a sceen shot of what hit referenced in this message? Missed tonights show, saw a couple people note Cena's elbow an was interested to see what the buzz was about.

Thanks.

[Psycho666Soldier]

If anyone finds a picture, would you mind posting a sceen shot of what hit referenced in this message? Missed tonights show, saw a couple people note Cena's elbow an was interested to see what the buzz was about.

Thanks.

I think they're talking about when Cena in a promo said, "My elbow looks like a football", or somethiing to that effect, in reference to him having suffered plenty of injuries and paid his dues in his career.

[Psycho666Soldier]

So tonight's RAW was good. As mentioned earlier, it seemed like a somewhat botchy RAW as far as matches, and no matches really caught my attention sans RVD/Del Rio, and not EVERY segment was top notch, but I enjoyed most of it. I liked the opening segment, Wyatt and Kane's interaction(and a "Ring of Fire" match according to WWE.com, which HAS to be an Inferno match!!), even most of Cena's promo. Still digging the Cody/Sandow feud, and it's nice to see the match officially on the card.

Punk/Axel was actually good, but I was distracted during the match. The whole segment AFTER was perfect though. Punk, not injured, was pretty much able to take it to Lesnar, but constantly showed that Lesnar's power would overtake him eventually, he just wouldn't stay down. Never has that WolverinePunk/HulkLesnar poster someone made for SummerSlam made more sense. The crowd was wild for this, too, with Punk trying to hit Heyman and ultimately being his downfall in the brawl, but still leaving that ambiguity of whether Punk actually bested Lesnar, or if he ultimately would have got the beatdown. Plus, he needed the chair.

The 6-Man Tag Main was pretty middle of the road, especially considering the talent involved. The finish was awkward considering tag partner interference usually isn't disqualified, and the whole segment afterward was...something. I liked it, mostly. Orton showing the heel seeds, almost cashing in, and all-around showing venomous disdain for Cena was pretty awesome, and it gave a little more significance to The Shield's presence at the end of the show...but with no promo time or involved angles, they really are starting to feel like WWE's plot device, and that has to end soon.

7/10

Less awkward moments would have given this show an 8.

[Beer-Belly]

If anyone finds a picture, would you mind posting a sceen shot of what hit referenced in this message? Missed tonights show, saw a couple people note Cena's elbow an was interested to see what the buzz was about.

Thanks.
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2013-08-05/how-will-john-cena-elbow-affect-him-at-summerslam-26137985

Looks bizarre.

[Andy]

I hope WWE never goes back to Green Bay. Big break up of Ricardo and ADR, Langston beating Ziggler and a fucking INFERNO MATCH TEASE and they didn't give a fuck about any of it. You could actually hear them chatting among themselves during E/Zig.

I thought it was a good show though. Lots of good promos and story development. Lots of questions still unanswered though?

- Were we pretty much told that Vince and Trips will be interfering with Bryan/Cena?
- What will Ziggler do?
- No Sheamus on the show?! I like it.
- What stips will Punk/Lesnar and Cody/Sandow have?
- What roles will Shield/Henry/Axel/Kofi etc have?

Hope we get the answers next week.

[The Rosk]

The commentary during the Punk/Lesnar bit was sublime I thought.

"Lesnar's coming and Punk's not backing down"
"Of course he's not backing down, he was champion for 434 days"

That gave a real push on the 'Punk is our guy, Brock isn't' emotion and the two worked it brilliantly. Great build for this.

[Andy]

Yeah the build for this has been absolutely brilliant. I just hope they add a no DQ stip for it. It would make perfect sense and Brock always works best with a stip match.

[9-to-5 Jobber]

- No Sheamus on the show?! I like it.


Ditto, though I'm wondering if there was just some random explanation or if his stock is finally starting to fall (or creative just doesn't know what to do with him beyond those stupid "commercials"). For all of the awesomeness the WWE has delivered recently, Sheamus's booking as the "asshole face" continues to baffle me.

However, it seems like there has been a change in his prominence. I really took notice after he lost to Bryan, cleanly, several weeks ago. Though, I'll admit my viewing was a bit erratic for a while, as I recently underwent major surgery and complications kept me in the hospital for over two weeks. But both Raw and Smackdown have managed to keep me interested, and I'm back to watching it every week.

[The Law]

This is a perfect time to give Sheamus a few weeks off. Summerslam is set and there's no room for him to have a match of any real significance on the card. There are lots of interesting things going on right now, and none of them involve him. So let him rest for a few weeks, come back refreshed and healthy, and hopefully let creative come up for a new direction for him because he's fallen badly in the past year. Last year at this time I thought he was on pace to be the #2 guy in the company, and now he's basically a midcarder.

I wish they would institute a more formal rotation system. Every guy should get a month off during the year. Giving guys time off will help reduce injuries, help keep them fresh, and lessen the effects of burn-out. It could just be like "okay, it's September: Del Rio, Sheamus, Ambrose, and Slater are off this month." For some guys, you would need to have a storyline explanation for why. For other guys, they could just go away for a few weeks and no one would notice.

[turdpower]

l get the feeling we are getting HHH/Vince at some point, WM maybe. Maybe for control of the company.

[VHS]

Me too. Couldn't be more excited. :blah:

[Atty]

l get the feeling we are getting HHH/Vince at some point, WM maybe. Maybe for control of the company.

I actually more get the feeling that it'll lead to HHH/Bryan, with Hunter being revealed as the real guy against Bryan. Like, whenever the cash in screws Bryan out of the belt (say, Survivor Series), he isn't given his rematch. He blames Vince and goes at it there and then gets sledgehammered in/around the Rumble. It's a way of shifting HHH to the boss role and giving one of their most over talents something to do at Mania.

[Tainted Eclipse]

missed raw but just watched the punk/lesnar brawl, god damn. their match could be so good, it basically needs to be that for 15 minutes.

[Newf]

Speaking of Sheamus' presence not being missed, Drew slumming it in 3MB and Barrett being lowered to Vince's barber-for-hire... would now be the perfect time to talk about bringing about that United Kingdom stable that was presented in WWE '12? It seems all 3 could use something new, and Regal as a manager/mouthpiece/occasional wrestler would be a step-up from his role on NXT.

[turdpower]

Yeah that was a bit weird. Made weirder still by the fact Barratt didn't even get a match against Bryan.

[Chris Scott]

One last reign for Christian who deserves it please.

[VHS]

Because he's Captain "Claps His Hands" Charisma... yeah, no thanks.

[Peter Griffin]

Hes also a fucking tremendous worker who has been busting his ass for 15 years and making sacrifices for our entertainment. YES PLEASE.

[StoneColdWWE316]

So who else besides Ziggler or RVD would you suggest being WHC? I am hoping Christian wins at Summerslam because like I said Del Rio needs a break from the Title picture for awhile.

[The Rogerer]

Everyone trying to grow a beard

[VHS]

So who else besides Ziggler or RVD would you suggest being WHC? I am hoping Christian wins at Summerslam because like I said Del Rio needs a break from the Title picture for awhile.

Ok, take away two choices from me. How about JOHN CENA!

[Kimura Kid]

Del Rio needs a break from the Title picture for awhile.

Just curious as to why you think ADR needs to be removed from the title picture? He's an amazing heel who generates legit heat. He's good in the ring and his current title reign is super impressive!

Ziggler Cashed in on a softened up ADR the night after mania to win the tile but remember ADR looked strong even in the loss to Ziggler. Then Del Rio defeated Swagger at Extreme Rules in an I quit match while Ziggler recovered from his concussion earning himself the #1 contendership for Ziggler's title. Then Del Rio destroyed a returning Ziggler at Payback who was medically cleared to compete, Winning Back the championship and re injuring Ziggler in the process. (Looked like a beast) Then ADR defeated Ziggler in the rubber match at MITB due to AJ's interference.

If he can beat Christian clean at SS he will look like a very strong Champion for a Baby Face underdog like Ziggler.

ADR is a reputable strong heel champion and the perfect guy for the WHC right now.

[hithit]

why do you capitilize random words in the middle of sentences?
i thought raw was pretty fun last night. loved the stuff with dbry at the beginning, the punk/lesnar stuff was fantastic, and the main event was solid.

[Mark Hammer]

Good Raw. Heyman and his group are gold, they need to participate in promos together more often.

Daniel Bryan is crazy over. Orton is still unassigned for Summerslam, yes? He needs to cash in and win the title before Summerslam making the main event Orton vs Cena vs Bryan.

[Tainted Eclipse]

that would be the worst thing that could ever possibly happen. i very much dig the idea of bryan winning, orton cashing in and a heel orton vs. face bryan feud though.

[Mark Hammer]

So who else besides Ziggler or RVD would you suggest being WHC? I am hoping Christian wins at Summerslam because like I said Del Rio needs a break from the Title picture for awhile.

Del Rio is an incredible heel champ. I hope he keeps it for a while.

[The Rick]

Speaking of Sheamus' presence not being missed, Drew slumming it in 3MB and Barrett being lowered to Vince's barber-for-hire... would now be the perfect time to talk about bringing about that United Kingdom stable that was presented in WWE '12? It seems all 3 could use something new, and Regal as a manager/mouthpiece/occasional wrestler would be a step-up from his role on NXT.

I like.this, and now that Layla has turned, she can be the female.contingent in this stable. I don't think Shemus should be in it though. They should feud with him, after he turns down their recruitment.

Good Raw, and I'm getting excited for SummerSlam.

[Mark Hammer]

that would be the worst thing that could ever possibly happen. i very much dig the idea of bryan winning, orton cashing in and a heel orton vs. face bryan feud though.

The predictable scenario you have suggested, that everyone is expecting, would be far worse than a triple threat at Summerslam.

[Peter Griffin]

I like.this, and now that Layla has turned, she can be the female.contingent in this stable. I don't think Shemus should be in it though. They should feud with him, after he turns down their recruitment.

Good Raw, and I'm getting excited for SummerSlam.

Plus why would Sheamus be in a United Kingdom stable when hes from the Republic of Ireland?

[Psycho666Soldier]

Yeah, I really can't say I'd like the scenario of Bryan winning and then losing via cash-in to Orton. The story makes sense, but if Bryan's gonna win, I'd much rather he keep the belt for a while than have his first WWE Title reign tarnished because he lost it in one night.

Bryan losing due to shenanigans and THEN Orton cashing in on Cena would be a better bet, I think. You get a Triple Threat at Night of Champions, Orton wins, then Cena and Bryan fight over who gets the next shot, with Bryan winning and chasing Orton. Something to that effect.

OR, what I would personally love, Bryan makes Cena tap out, Orton cashes in, and Bryan becomes the first man to beat the MITB Winner in a last minute Cash-In Match. Then Orton snaps and chases after Bryan for a bit. Only problem with that scenario is it doesn't give much room for a long-term plan for Orton, or Bryan, for that matter.

[mth]

I was just about to suggest that last scenario. That'd be rad. Some kind of sweet RKO countered into the Yes Lock for the win when everyone's expecting a successful cash-in.

[Newf]

Plus why would Sheamus be in a United Kingdom stable when hes from the Republic of Ireland?

True, but they threw him in the stable in the game and I was simply basing it off that...

I'd ALMOST say bring Mason Ryan up again, but he needs more time in NXT to really be useful in such a group.

It also wouldn't be a half-bad idea to get Adrian Neville on TV and the group turning on him could eventually propel him to being a big time face...

[G-Fresh]

Because he's Captain "Claps His Hands" Charisma... yeah, no thanks.

Qiot huffin paint thinner, son.

[mr sabu]

DANIEL BYRANNNNNNNNNN

[VHS]

Qiot huffin paint thinner, son.

I'm sorry, but I haven't enjoyed Christian in years and to me he represents a generic and generic superstar with no character or... CHARISMA. I still think his matches range from average to decent though.

[Morrison]

The predictable scenario you have suggested, that everyone is expecting, would be far worse than a triple threat at Summerslam.

i don't think so. might be predictable, but predictable isn't always a bad thing if it establishes so much good.

having bryan/cena stay a singles match allows it more focus, while letting the specter of the briefcase hang in the air. bryan beating cena(even better, making him tap) in a one on one match puts him over immensely, way more than winning a triple threat, where it's highly likely orton would be involved in the decision over cena. orton then cashing in immediately makes him a top heel and garners even more sympathy for bryan, igniting a hot feud that will provide some really great matches for the next few months.

[Morrison]

I'm sorry, but I haven't enjoyed Christian in years and to me he represents a generic and generic superstar with no character or... CHARISMA. I still think his matches range from average to decent though.

to say christian has no charisma is ridiculous.

[VHS]

I just don't see it. Maybe my tracking is off.

[MMH]

I just don't see it. Maybe my tracking is off.

Nah im kind of with you there.

Hes great in the ring and all that but otherwise he bores me. Del Rio is similar for me. Its weird, I always switch off when either guy is in the ring on Raw but when they are on PPV ill avidly watch their matches.

[The Rogerer]

to say christian has no charisma is ridiculous.Where did it go, though? He's not done anything compelling besides a few rookie level promos, and having to wear a t-shirt that proclaims he has charisma doesn't help his case.

[Beer-Belly]

The predictable scenario you have suggested, that everyone is expecting, would be far worse than a triple threat at Summerslam.

Triple threats are generally "meh", though. A one on one match with Bryan and Cena will be better in terms of story telling and crowd reaction.

[Beer-Belly]

As far as Christian goes, watch his run in 2005 and tell me he doesn't have charisma. He was wildly over.

[The Rogerer]

As far as Christian goes, watch his run in 2005 and tell me he doesn't have charisma. He was wildly over.8 years ago? Whatever it was, it's not there now, especially with the people that he's up against. RVD is more naturally likeable and Del Rio is better on the mic and storytelling in the ring than he gets credit for. What I've seen of Christian since he's been back is a ludicrous tan, some generic "I am going to win the match" wrestling promos, the stupid over the rope to a punch, a stony face and a t-shirt that informs us that he has charisma.

[Beer-Belly]

His heel run against Orton was great as well. Charisma doesn't disappear like that, either he's bored or he isn't being given any material to work with.

[G-Fresh]

I won't argue about the feud with Orton being entertaining. I just got tired of him getting buried as bad as he did. I reckon I'd bet money on him winning the WHC at SummerSlam before I would DB winning the WWE belt.

[Mark Hammer]

Where did it go, though? He's not done anything compelling besides a few rookie level promos, and having to wear a t-shirt that proclaims he has charisma doesn't help his case.

Charisma and mic presence aren't the same thing. Christian has no problems connecting with the crowd to this day. That is charisma.

[Hero!]

His heel run against Orton was great as well. Charisma doesn't disappear like that, either he's bored or he isn't being given any material to work with.

His heel run stuff was brilliant. When it's time to buck up and make magic happen, Christian delivers.

[Kimura Kid]

why do you capitilize random words in the middle of sentences?

Just a bad habit I suppose. This is the reason I've become less and less active here. My posts hold zero value to 99% of the community and most of the time go un noticed. But if they are noticed they normally are nit picked over grammar or something else equally stupid.

Not blaming anyone here at all. My posts hold no value due to the fact that I've carried myself in such a way that I've almost undermined my own opinions. Since joining I've labeled myself as less knowledgeable than others or eager to hear others opinions. I believe by default that made my own opinions hold less value by most here. Or maybe I just come off as a complete fucking idiot. Either way posting multiple times a day and having posts go un noticed have turned me in to a less active lurker of the boards. Kinda Sucks.

But glad you noticed my capital letters randomly inserted in my post :yes:

[Psycho666Soldier]

Just a bad habit I suppose. This is the reason I've become less and less active here. My posts hold zero value to 99% of the community and most of the time go un noticed. But if they are noticed they normally are nit picked over grammar or something else equally stupid.

Not blaming anyone here at all. My posts hold no value due to the fact that I've carried myself in such a way that I've almost undermined my own opinions. Since joining I've labeled myself as less knowledgeable than others or eager to hear others opinions. I believe by default that made my own opinions hold less value by most here. Or maybe I just come off as a complete fucking idiot. Either way posting multiple times a day and having posts go un noticed have turned me in to a less active lurker of the boards. Kinda Sucks.

But glad you noticed my capital letters randomly inserted in my post :yes:

Pay it no mind. You're a good addition to the boards. Some people just like to be sticklers about the most insignificant things.

[The Rogerer]

I've got nothing against Christian and I was a big fan of his back in the day, felt a little bitter than Edge was getting the big push over him, etc. I just am coming from the angle that I haven't regularly watched in several years, and this would be my wife's first impression of him. I just reminded myself of the bit on Raw where he was watching the match backstage, nose pressed against the screen and hamming it up. It's not his fault that he's not being given a good avenue to express himself, but his run feels just very plain. Hasn't he been saying "One more match" for a couple of years now?

[Psycho666Soldier]

I've got nothing against Christian and I was a big fan of his back in the day, felt a little bitter than Edge was getting the big push over him, etc. I just am coming from the angle that I haven't regularly watched in several years, and this would be my wife's first impression of him. I just reminded myself of the bit on Raw where he was watching the match backstage, nose pressed against the screen and hamming it up. It's not his fault that he's not being given a good avenue to express himself, but his run feels just very plain. Hasn't he been saying "One more match" for a couple of years now?

To be fair, he started doing the One More Match business right before getting injured, and eventually coming back just to get injured again. So he never really got to finish it. Plus, with his return now obviously building towards this Title Shot, it fit with the angle for him to come back asking for One More Match. Of course, If he keeps it up from this point, it will get stale.