Raw 7/1 Champ v Champ

[chatty]

No Raw thread thus far so thought I'd blast one up.

Lots of interesting stuff happening:

John Cena v Alberto Del Rio in a champ v champ match - will Big Mark or Dolph get themselves involved

Heyman guys Punk and Axel take on the PTP - will they stay on the same page or is the big fella Brock gonna show up.

MITB - both matches have been announced now, will there be some confrontations between Bryan/Kane/Orton and how about the heel match, they gonna start going at it tonight,

Zeb put a message out saying he'll be there with Cesaro but how about Swagger.

How will the Shield react to another loss?

[Andy]

Hoping for a Pancake Patterson appearance. Anything less will be a huge disappointment.

Might live tweet it.

[virms]

Let me know if you are andy and I will join in.

[wardy]

What does one mean by 'live tweet'? Just tweeting while you watch?

[virms]

Yep

[wardy]

See yous there.

[virms]

Got skype wardy? You can get into chat.

[Hero!]

I'll be tweeting, so we can all be gay together

[virms]

I will play with your balls, hero.

[wardy]

Got skype wardy? You can get into chat.
No I don't mate. Is that what everyone's doing these days? What is everyone's twitter thing?

[virms]

I would honestly hve to look mine up when I get home. I think it is virm1

I only use it occasionally when fanny is doing rajah shit.

[Hero!]

@artiediend

and yeah virm yours is virm1

[wardy]

Nice one. I probably follow you anyway but I'm not sure.

[virms]

Cena vs adr should be interesting.

Surprised its not cena and adr vs zig and henry

[JT4104]

I'd rather not see Cena/ADR myself, but Raw's have been solid lately so lets hope for the best.

"Respect the Beard" what a great shirt

[Kimura Kid]

Hoping for a solid episode tonight!!

Like DB's new Tee also! Respect the Beard!!

[Tainted Eclipse]

hahahaha, fat guy with ">implying" sign, oh god

[JT4104]

I completely forgot Kane was in the match......

[Kimura Kid]

Wonder if RVD will come out tonight? All the All Stars are coming out.

[JT4104]

He still has the chops....sweet

[The Law]

Nah, Vickie is going to come out and set up a Six Man Tag with these six.

But the roof would come off if RVD did show up.

[Kimura Kid]

Orton is fucking Boss. Landed that RKO on Kane and spun around on the mat like a fucking predator to position himself where he could see everyone in the ring!!

[JT4104]

I have no doubt RVD is high as a kite watching this...

[The Law]

I appreciate those champion history packages so very much.

[chatty]

Good little build up segment, the main swerve playing here is that Kane is gonna snap and destroy Bryan stopping him from winning the briefcase. With talk of them prolonging the Henry feud then I couls see them giving the case to either RVD or Orton for a period and have Bryan have his blow-off with Kane instead.

RVD is newly back and orton has never had the case.

[mr sabu]

so sheild gets there win back

[Peter Griffin]

Could Sheamus be the worst 'face' ever? You could turn him tonight and he wouldn't have to tweak his character whatsoever.

[The Law]

I think Edge after he kidnapped and was an accessory to Paul Bearer's murder might have been worse.

But yeah, Sheamus is an absolutely horrible face right now. I think he'd actually make an awesome heel with the bully character he's developed.

[mr sabu]

ROLLINS ANGRYYYYY


ROLLINS SMASHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Peter Griffin]

I think Edge after he kidnapped and was an accessory to Paul Bearer's murder might have been worse.

But yeah, Sheamus is an absolutely horrible face right now. I think he'd actually make an awesome heel with the bully character he's developed.

Forgot about the Edge/Bearer business :rofl:

[mr sabu]

alright im sick off this shit... COME ON COLE PUT SOME BALLS INTO ANNOUCING

[evilyn]

I think Edge after he kidnapped and was an accessory to Paul Bearer's murder might have been worse.

But yeah, Sheamus is an absolutely horrible face right now. I think he'd actually make an awesome heel with the bully character he's developed.

As bad as Edge was, he managed to be entertaining. Sheamus is just awful. Edge was a comedic sociopath, Sheamus is a condescending jerk.

[JT4104]

No AJ or Big E huh...hmmmm

[Goratrix]

Nothing puts my Ambroner in the dirt like a HHH sighting. Henry brings it back though.

[Anaconda Sniper]

Did I hear right or did King mess up and say the Wyatt family is on their way tonight?

Awesome video package for Henry there btw.

[Goratrix]

Randy Orton: The most contrived act in wrestling.

[JT4104]

Bryan..lol. What a solid job in the stripes

[Kimura Kid]

Randy Orton: The most contrived act in wrestling.

Not gonna lie I had to google contrived. Couldn't disagree with you more. Randy orton has more natural talent than anyone else on the roster today. The guy is fucking crisp and near flawless in the ring.

[mr sabu]

so is kahli

[Goratrix]

Oh yeah, setting up that retarded second rope ddt EVERY SINGLE MATCH is real natural looking.

[JT4104]

Is the crowd really that dead or is it just coming across horrible on TV?

[Goratrix]

Most contrived is hyperbole, but he's behind only Mysterio, Khali, Hornswoggle and a few others at this point.

[Kimura Kid]

Fan-done-go

[Kimura Kid]

Oh yeah, setting up that retarded second rope ddt EVERY SINGLE MATCH is real natural looking.

It's a signature move of his. Is this a serious complaint?

And it gets a postitive reaction from the crowd EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

[Kneeneighbor]

Yes it is a serious complaint. He is such trash. I wish he would just get his 3rd strike and go away.

[mr sabu]

so does kahli's dancing but he doesn't get praise for it

[Zacharie]

don't say that :cry:

[Goratrix]

It's a signature move of his. Is this a serious complaint?

And it gets a postitive reaction from the crowd EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

It's not a complaint I expect to be addressed. I'm just saying it's contrived bullshit. His reaction means fuck-all to me. I just wanted to point out that his fans like stupid things.

[Zacharie]

I don't see what's stupid about a guy doing a DDT off the ropes. Looks like it hurts, I mean it's a DDT for fucks sake.

[Peter Griffin]

Yet people wank themselves silly over Ziggler's ott showoff bullshit :rolleyes:

[Kneeneighbor]

Its the fact that his opponent always manages to get in that position for him every single match

[JT4104]

Oh Ryback....I give up.

[Goratrix]

I don't see what's stupid about a guy doing a DDT off the ropes. Looks like it hurts, I mean it's a DDT for fucks sake.

Nothing at all wrong with the move itself. But if they can't set it up believably (and recent as well as not-so-recent history shows they can't), then he shouldn't do it.

[mr sabu]

wonder if ortons voices in his head tell him to shit in more bags

[One Man Gang]

I was looking forward to Miz losing... now.... I need a breather.

[Goratrix]

Yet people wank themselves silly over Ziggler's ott showoff bullshit :rolleyes:

Actually, it's far more common for me to wank to AJ, but whatever flips your pancakes I guess.

[G-Fresh]

Cryback the bitch done gave up.

[Kimura Kid]

Skip Sheffield > Cryback

[Peter Griffin]

That is the most cohesive sentence you have ever posted DVDA, top notch :yes:.

[JT4104]

I will forever hate Austin for these damn "what" chants....just completely annoying.

[Kneeneighbor]

I love how Big Mark varies his pauses and it throws all the "WHATS?" off.

[mr sabu]

WHAT

[Peter Griffin]

I will forever hate Austin for these damn "what" chants....just completely annoying.

True story, was thinking the same thing watching last week.

[Kimura Kid]

Fuck the "What" Chant.

Huge pet peeve of mine.

[mr sabu]

Fuck the "What" Chant.

Huge pet peeve of mine.

WHAT

[JT4104]

From Punk to Axel's theme...that's just great.

[Kimura Kid]

bahaha!! great finish!!

[G-Fresh]

The WHAT chants are the shizzle fo rizzle muh nizzle.

[JT4104]

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo....please god no. NNNNNNNOOOOOOOO job reviews.

[One Man Gang]

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo....please god no. NNNNNNNOOOOOOOO job reviews.

Maybe the fans will get bored with stephanie and chant "thank you Savage" during the segment?

[JT4104]

On a serious note though....no more visits to Iowa for WWE. This crowd is just awful.

[The Law]

If it means Vickie gets fired as GM and becomes a manager, I've got no problem with it. Let the McMahons dysfunctionally run the show for awhile until it goes to shit. Then they can appoint one person to be in charge of both shows. Hopefully someone who rarely appears on TV.

[TooCool]

I just realized that everyone in the WHC Ladder Match is a heel and everyone in the WWE Championship Ladder Match is a face. Strange.

[The Law]

I love Dutch Mantel and he's a phenomenal talker, but this Tea Party character just doesn't work. Very few wrestling fans care about politics. His political speeches draw no response from the crowd. Swagger has not gotten over at all in the last few months with him. They need to just drop the political aspects of the character and make him a maniacal, sociopathic villain.

[One Man Gang]

So are they going to pit the heels against each other over the next two weeks, or was that match specially designed to crush my soul?

[JT4104]

I love Dutch Mantel and he's a phenomenal talker, but this Tea Party character just doesn't work. Very few wrestling fans care about politics. His political speeches draw no response from the crowd. Swagger has not gotten over at all in the last few months with him. They need to just drop the political aspects of the character and make him a maniacal, sociopathic villain.
It certainly didn't help that ADR was bland as hell as a face. I'd venture to say that if Rey Mysterio were the champ when the Zeb character was created it would have been leaps and bounds better than how it turned out with ADR.

[virms]

I just realized that everyone in the WHC Ladder Match is a heel and everyone in the WWE Championship Ladder Match is a face. Strange.

Don't be a Peter Griffin. :shifty:

[G-Fresh]

The political stuff is cool. Ya'll are just stupid sheeple.

[Tainted Eclipse]

holy shit this is a mess

[Goratrix]

Who was the diva with the bright red hair?

[GtheMVP]

Teddy long is hard as hell, has his tag match for smackdown!

[mr sabu]

maybe teddy has had that many bitches in his life they where all tag team affairs..

[JT4104]

so...that Raw just happened, clear step down from the last couple weeks and that dead ass crowd didn't help one bit.

[StoneColdWWE316]

Not a bad RAW tonight,not quite as good as the past couple but still not bad.

[Goratrix]

I would like to propose a trade: HHH goes to TNA, WWE gets Jeff Hardy, whose fat-ass brother is sure to tag along with, Orton goes to TNA, WWE gets the Dudleys. Trade Sheamus' life for Edge's neck after that, and I'll be good for some time.

[Goratrix]

One more triangle ladder match, that's all I need. I'll kill Sheamus myself for the sheer pleasure beforehand. As contrived as Orton is, Sheamus is just a terrible professional wrestler.

[Tainted Eclipse]

sheamus' character is insufferable but thats obviously not true. hes still one of the best in the company in the ring.

[McBain]

Yeah, he's consistently very watchable in the ring, just wish they'd sort his character out.

[BBF]

lol Sheamus is one of the better actual wrestlers on the roster. he's stale and needs a big change but quality wise he's great.

[Andy]

Pretty crap raw. And no Pancake Patterson. 1.

[mr sabu]

8 because now we know when bray is debuting

[BBF]

So I haven't watched yet but read reports that the Wyatt Family promo closed the show. Is that accurate? Was it a new promo or just a rehashed one?

Looks like they are building them to be big.

[Andy]

Wasn't it the one they had already shown earlier in the night? But yeah that's what happened.

[Slare]

Lame duck show apart from a few bits here and there. Next week should be fucking AMAZING. Go home show, Wyatts debut (I love a good properly built debut, thank you HHH) and Vickie performance review thing. Buzzing

[BBF]

Wasn't it the one they had already shown earlier in the night? But yeah that's what happened.

Superb. Has the girl been in any more videos since her initial one? I hope she's part of the group,

[Peter Griffin]

Don't be a Peter Griffin. :shifty:

Hey.There is nothing, wrong with my punctUation and , GrammaR,

[Kimura Kid]

So I haven't watched yet but read reports that the Wyatt Family promo closed the show. Is that accurate? Was it a new promo or just a rehashed one?

Looks like they are building them to be big.

Yeah they closed the show. And it wasn't the same one that was played earlier in the show. This one was just the rocking chair rocking back and forth empty while bray was speaking in the background. Was pretty creepy.

I'm thinking they may go straight to the top of the card. Big stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSXpvTZMWGI

"But no ever told the sheep that they out number the wolves"

Shield better watch their backs!!

[Jacknife]

Hope I have cable in time for next week's show.

[Anaconda Sniper]

Pretty meh Raw. Aside from the mitb stuff, Christian/Ambrose, Mark Henry and Punk/Heyman pretty boring.

[VHS]

This is the best roster WWE has had in years. Couldn't be more excited to see how things are in the next 6-12 months.

[Kimura Kid]

Well I haven't been around in the recent past but I truly feel I picked the perfect fucking time to come back to Wrestling.

I'll be willing to bet that some of the best years in wrestling are ahead of us. Strap on your seat belts because shits about to go down!!

[The Law]

WWE's roster hasn't been this good since 2002 when they had bought out WCW and ECW, had all the Attitude Era guys, and also had the next generation of stars (Cena, Orton, Batista, Lesnar) coming up through the ranks. 2002 is probably the greatest collection of talent in wrestling history. This year seems similar to a year like 1992, when they still had all the Hogan-era guys (Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Piper) but the midcard was full of the New Generation (Michaels, Hart, Yokozuna, Razor Ramon). In a few years, we'll be looking back at this year as a time when they had legends who could still go (Undertaker, HHH, Lesnar), top guys in their primes (Cena, Bryan, Orton, Punk) and a new generation of stars on the rise (Shield, Big E, Wyatt).

[VHS]

Henry is gonna...

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9200/y9aj.gif

I think even Helen Keller pre miracle worker could make out what he's saying.

[mth]

Pretty pedestrian RAW this week. Usually I'd give a run down on stuff but there wasn't much I feel was really worth addressing. I did like that they did the WWE/World champ packages to tie-in with the champ vs. champ main event although even so, the main event really didn't feel like that big of a deal. I also really liked how much they promoted the Wyatt family and the fact that they ended the show on that seems to imply they're gonna be a big deal. Can't help but think, however, it'll just be Bray cutting a promo and squashing Zack Ryder...although, even that would be pretty good. Hoping they make a pretty significant impact.
Mark Henry's promo was pretty good and again dragged down by the goddamn whats...loved the end of it with him getting all up in the camera, pretty intimidating, felt like he was gonna come right out of my screen. :yes:
Other than that, fairly meh show.
Bring on next week and the Wyatt family. :hyper:

[mth]

Forgot to mention the Ryback/Miz match was kind of off-putting. I'm willing to see how it fits into the bigger picture before I crap all over it but on it's own, it made Ryback look like a puss. I get that that's more or less what they're trying to do to some extent...but even so, it seems odd and a little damaging to his character. If he's trying not to going into MITB injured, so he called it off, that's kind of smart (and what I believe JBL alluded to) but they'd have to make that a bit clearer next week...maybe have a confrontation with him and Jericho where he explains that while Jericho just continues to underline the 'Cryback' schtick. I assume the leg will be the focus of their match, with Jericho trying to target it, Ryback looking vulnerable but ultimately winning. I can already envision him marching around for Shellshocked while the commentators scream about how impressive it is considering his leg. If that goes down, I won't be too bothered with what happened here.

[The Law]

It was definitely supposed to make him look like a pussy. They seem to be going in a similar direction that they did with Brock Lesnar in 2003, when he tapped out to Angle and Benoit. Basically, his character was that he was a big monster who could beat up jobbers and midcarders, but couldn't handle himself in a fight against the top guys. Having Ryback be a big monster heel wasn't getting him any heat, so I like that they're trying something different. It also references the fact that he hasn't won a PPV match in a year. He's a guy who looks like Tarzan and hits like Jane. It's kind of an ingenious character, because everyone hates someone who fails to use their potential. Especially when it's physical potential. I remember reading an essay a few years ago about the strange fact that back in the 1980s everyone hated Ralph Sampson. Sampson was a great college basketball player and pretty damn good pro (four time All Star, led the Rockets to the NBA Finals in 1986). But everyone felt that he had failed to live up to his potential. They were probably right, he was 7'4 and incredibly quick for a guy that size. Unfortunately, injuries derailed his pro career.

So that was a very long-winded way of saying that I think Ryback could get over as a heel who has the potential to be great, but is overrated and whines a lot about not getting enough respect. Because everyone hates an underachiever.

[Badger]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think Ryback has won a PPV match ever, even when he was Skip Sheffield.

It's good that they're trying something different with his character, but he does need credibility too. At this point, he's not over enough where he can lose a lot but one or two big wins later he's a serious threat like the likes of a Kane or Jericho for example. He does need some big wins.

[mth]

He's won a few PPV matches when he was facing guys like Hawkins/Reks, etc.

He definitely ought to win against Jericho, I think. Either in the way I mentioned previously or have him be faking the severity of the leg injury this whole while to lure Jericho into a false sense of security.

[Badger]

Oh yeah, I was thinking back to the Cell match with Punk as his first proper PPV match as Ryback. Forgot he had PPV squashes before that.

Losing to Henry was probably the stupidest out of all his PPV losses (don't get me wrong I love Mawk), and even more insulting was the way it happened. If he gets his momentum back, I'd like to see them run with the fact that Cena's never pinned even though it will inevitably result in Cena pinning him.

[Fanny Batter]

Nah, in this carnation of the character, he's done. They've killed him. Best thing they can do is slow burn a face turn by sticking him as some heel's muscle, he's far better in that role and a dominating turn and destruction of his tormentor would kill months of bad booking.

[Badger]

So basically another Batista? If they'd done that earlier before breaking out on his own then yeah I'd agree but I think they've gone too far with him now to have him be a sidekick again.

[Andy]

If they have Jericho beat him it's clear they've completely given up on him. I'm not sure that they've completely killed him yet but I'm struggling to see a scenario where he picks momentum up and gets back to the top of the card.

The loss to Henry really was stupid. Especially when they had him start challenging Cena right after. I know that wasn't always the plan but there was still no reason for him to lose. I think they should've gotten him away from The Shield sooner too if they weren't going to have The Shield lose any of those big matches.

[OD50]

Pretty sure Ryback wins and causing Jericho to take some time off again.

[The Rogerer]

I love Dutch Mantel and he's a phenomenal talker, but this Tea Party character just doesn't work. Very few wrestling fans care about politics. His political speeches draw no response from the crowd. Swagger has not gotten over at all in the last few months with him. They need to just drop the political aspects of the character and make him a maniacal, sociopathic villain.This gets closer to the state of the WWE at the moment.

The Zeb Coulter character isn't working because he's gone bizarrely neutral with it by aligning with Cesaro. Welcoming formal immigration and not approving of illegal immigration isn't going to upset too many people, and if he doesn't have someone like Del Rio to unjustly mock then there's nothing terribly negative about it. The other problem is that he's bringing up an anti-government stance at a time when most in the US are starting to have serious problems with how government is running, but it's still played like a heel thing. It's not as if he's lecturing or boring people either.

They made him to be like Glenn Beck if they wanted that character, they have to make him much more persuasive and subversive. Picking on a lot of the non US roster isn't going to work as they're usually heels and not the most popular people as it is. He needs to focus on the enemy within, create enemies, persuade people and continue with the brainwashed Swagger angle where Swagger gets asked to do more and more irrational things.

The larger point is that you have to work very hard to get an effective heel these days, and yet they don't seem to be trying beyond Dutch's natural charisma. It seems like the crowd really doesn't care about faces or heels - they will welcome anyone back and endorse a turn within a week. With Kane about to chokeslam Bryan, the crowd was egging them on. They like them both - they just want to see something happen. Perhaps the crowd is getting hungry rather than having things teased out over weeks.