Come up with some new finishers

[Andy]

I want you to come up with new finishers for some guys. People who I think need new finishers: Dolph Ziggler (Zig Zag isn't great, Fameasser is shit, superkick was good but he doesn't do it anymore, sleeper is shit), Daniel Bryan (his submission moves are all good but I always feel like submission specialists should also have a good impact move they can occasionally win with, maybe he should keep doing the chokeslam), Cody Rhodes (Crossroads thing just looks messy), Big E (I don't mind his finisher but he's such a beast he could surely come up with a much more impressive looking power move) and Fandango (his new thing is a bit meh, leg drop looks good though).

So either make up some sort of realistic finisher or assign a particular move to someone.

GO

[Kimura Kid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nf61fyVLJU

Big E

[Cewsh]

I never understood why the didn't just give Ziggler the Perfect Plex and have done with it.

As for Big E, I really badly want to see him doing this:

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt205/ElxPanguii/Alex%20Riley/Gif/AlexRileycvsJustinGabrielrematch23-new6.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/ElxPanguii/media/Alex%20Riley/Gif/AlexRileycvsJustinGabrielrematch23-new6.gif.html)

[Kotre]

Ziggler: Front sleeper.
Bryan: Diving headbutt works
Rhodes: Nothing wrong with the disaster kick.
Fandango: He has a decent Falcon's Arrow
Langston: Speak to Sheamus about using the Fiery Red Hand (version 2). Looks impressive enough and Langston's definitely got the power to use it. Or do any move out of a Gorilla press.

Gabriel: (just because I think someone like him should have an alternative finisher so he can be pushed as a multi-faceted wrestler rather than a high flier) Either his Russian Legsweep => Octopus combination, or get him to phone up Brian Cage and learn his pumphandle facebuster (if you can Blue Thunder Bomb Cena, you can probably hit that on most of the roster).

[Vice]

I'd love to see someone use the Perfect Inside Cradle that Marufuji uses(used?). It's not performed as well as it could be in this video, but there aren't a lot of clips of just the move:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zybNT6iyTFI

Doesn't do any damage, but the person isn't getting out of it, either. Could be a really fun finisher for some upcoming guy. It's a move that can come fairly out of nowhere, and as he beats more and more people with it, you have the "...can ______ break out of it?" drama each match. When someone finally does kick out of it, it could be a pretty huge moment.

..for John Cena.

[Kimura Kid]

I never understood why the didn't just give Ziggler the Perfect Plex

Holy Fuck!! That's PERFECT for Ziggler!!

I love the Perfect Plex, Top 5 Favs of all time!

[Andy]

It's a shame the last ride is so closely associated with Undertaker cos that would be an awesome move for Big E

[Andy]

The perfect plex was just a fishermans suplex right? Didn't Perry Saturn used to do that all the time? Not a very convincing move for a main eventer these days IMO.

[MMH]

I have always wanted somebody to do the dragon punch ala Street Fighter. Without the flames and shouty stuff obviously.

I suppose Cesaro does a take on it with his uppercuts being hit from anywhere though. I love basic moves that make solid sense. The Riley Powerbomb thing cewsh posted for Big E looks really convoluted to me. Moves like the Clothesline from hell or Big Shows TKO are great for me as they are so simple yet impressive and can be hit at any time.

And please god no more roll of the dice/mike check type moves.

[Kimura Kid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTRq4ys0Rg


You could have him adjust it a bit like this.

[Kotre]

It's a shame the last ride is so closely associated with Undertaker cos that would be an awesome move for Big E

Two words, Skylift Slam.


The perfect plex was just a fishermans suplex right? Didn't Perry Saturn used to do that all the time? Not a very convincing move for a main eventer these days IMO.

Bridged and yes. It's also a stupid finisher, since from some camera angles it's obvious that one shoulder's off the canvas after the move hits. Also, Ziggler shouldn't be trying to be compared to Hennig (especially when his actual son's in the company and can do the move well). Intentionally beinging up comparasons to guys mainly viewed through nostalgia filters just doesn't help anyone.

[MMH]

The perfect plex was just a fishermans suplex right? Didn't Perry Saturn used to do that all the time? Not a very convincing move for a main eventer these days IMO.

Slightly different as it had the lock and bridge. Any move can be made convincing if sold and reacted to accordingly. Look at the AA, its absolute crap really but it works as its protected fairly well (but majorly over used in my eyes) but it wins championships and matches etc.

[Cewsh]

The Riley Powerbomb thing cewsh posted for Big E looks really convoluted to me.

I didn't mean with the whole running start and everything. Just a layout powerbomb like that.

Here, like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ETj7pLMzCuE

[MMH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTRq4ys0Rg


You could have him adjust it a bit like this.

When I was a kid pretending to be a wrestler many moons ago my "finisher" was always the start of the perfect plex but instead i would run forward and hit a DDT/Brainbuster type move.

Those poor pillows never got up.

[MMH]

I didn't mean with the whole running start and everything. Just a layout powerbomb like that.

Ah right, yeah thats quite acceptable then.

[Cewsh]

When I was a kid pretending to be a wrestler many moons ago my "finisher" was always the start of the perfect plex but instead i would run forward and hit a DDT/Brainbuster type move.

Those poor pillows never got up.

Like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-bHOADMTFE

[Cewsh]

Bridged and yes. It's also a stupid finisher, since from some camera angles it's obvious that one shoulder's off the canvas after the move hits. Also, Ziggler shouldn't be trying to be compared to Hennig (especially when his actual son's in the company and can do the move well). Intentionally beinging up comparasons to guys mainly viewed through nostalgia filters just doesn't help anyone.

I think they should have billed Ziggler as Hennig's son to begin with. They're infinitely more alike than Hennig and McGuillicutty.

[Vice]

While looking for clips of another finisher I might want used in WWE, I came across this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7vRI1bTW74

Obviously it'll never be used in WWE, and it's actually kind of really stupid, but I've never seen it before.

[Andy]

Yeah I like that Kane powerbomb for Big E.

There's a couple of moves I think are underrated too. Del Rio's backstabber should be a finisher that most people don't kick out of. The move looks great. And Darren Young's finisher looks awesome.

[MMH]

Like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-bHOADMTFE

Kind of, she stole that from me though and just altered it slightly. Imagine it without the slight twist and running a few steps across the ring before the driver part.

[Kotre]

I think they should have billed Ziggler as Hennig's son to begin with. They're infinitely more alike than Hennig and McGuillicutty.

In that they get overrated, have poofy hair and oversell things? Yes, they are similar in some respects. That doesn't make it a good idea to bill a guy as the second coming of Mr Perfect.

[Vice]

Del Rio's backstabber should be a finisher that most people don't kick out of. The move looks great.

I'd keep his backstabber the way it is. Have it be the move that gets his opponent's back all nice and ready for the finisher version:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Y7yj1WK0M

...though obviously the move's name will need to be changed.

[turdpower]

Ryback should not stomp during his finisher and get on with it.

I also think it should be a forward drop rather than back.

[Cewsh]

In that they get overrated, have poofy hair and oversell things? Yes, they are similar in some respects. That doesn't make it a good idea to bill a guy as the second coming of Mr Perfect.

Okay, Kotre.


Kind of, she stole that from me though and just altered it slightly. Imagine it without the slight twist and running a few steps across the ring before the driver part.

Gotcha, a running Fisherman's Buster.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA6zfnpTPTY

[MMH]

Ryback should not stomp during his finisher and get on with it.

I also think it should be a forward drop rather than back.

Shellshocked is a rubbish move really when you think about it. Its just a samoan drop and not even a good one. But again they were smart enough to put two guy in at at once and now the move is over.

[MMH]

Okay, Kotre.



Gotcha, a running Fisherman's Buster.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA6zfnpTPTY

Thats the one :yes:

My kicks were not nearly as impressive as those ones though.

[Mills]

Ziggler needs to keep the Superkick going, that always looked devestating when he used it.

Bryan should be using his submissions, but I loved his running knee strike from ROH, maybe even utilize Regals Knee Trembler

Random too, but Heath Slater or Drew McIntyre need to use a Sick Kick and call it a whammy bar

[Atty]

Ryback needs to do the spear and jackhammer some time. When the crowd is chanting "GOLDBERG" at a big PPV, preferably. The reaction would be great.

[Mills]

If Ryback did the jackhammer, I'd love him All over again

[JP]

What's perfect for Big E in my eyes is the Dominator.

Ron Simmons only used it for a short time as Farooq but it looked amazing. It's not been used for a long enough time for it to be accepted as his, he's strong enough - with a little creative license - to pull it off on any of the roster and it's about 50 gazillion times better than what he uses now.

[Atty]

If Ryback did the jackhammer, I'd love him All over again

Imagine him doing it to Cena in a PPV match where the crowd is shitting on Cena...

[Mills]

Big E needs the Oklahoma Stampede, he could pull it off

[mth]

I think the Zig Zag is awesome. I also quite like Big E's finisher though I wouldn't mind seeing him use a massive STO as an alternate. Thumbs up to the Dominator suggestion, I was disappointed Lashley didn't stick with it and switched to the blander running powerslam and overused spear.

Fandango using a reverse STO is unfortunate as that's gotta be one of the most overused moves out there. I'd give him some kind of jawbreaker-type thing instead.

I have to approve the suggestion of Ryback busting out a Jackhammer during the Goldberg chants, especially if he jaws with the crowd a bit before and after, actually acknowledging the chant and insulting them and such.

[JP]

Imagine him doing it to Cena in a PPV match where the crowd is shitting on Cena...

As much as some of the general audience hate Cena, have a look back at the end of this years Rumble.

The crowd is solidly behind Cena. Much like when he had his series with Khali - which is some of the best work of any man in his position ever - and the crowd was solidly behind him despite their previous wavers. When somebody is so obviously severely lacking in main event quality the crowd will always side with the better of the two.

We're not ever gonna get a situation of cena being shat on and Ryback getting the smark cheers, because Ryback simply isn't anywhere near the quality of someone who should be in the main event.

[JP]

Though I'll agree with the Jackhammer call. Should have employed that a lot sooner.

[mr sabu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTRq4ys0Rg


You could have him adjust it a bit like this.

this is the one perry used to do

[Atty]

We're not ever gonna get a situation of cena being shat on and Ryback getting the smark cheers, because Ryback simply isn't anywhere near the quality of someone who should be in the main event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfII4L38xRc

[JP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfII4L38xRc

That was a pop based on it being something new, that specific crowds dislike of the status quo and unexpected (ish. To blind people. Who are also deaf. And have never watched wrestling before).

Pops are easy to engineer. Now imagine a scenario where Ryback and Cena have been wrestling, for the title, for about 20 minutes. The people who hate on Cena are the people who are - generally speaking - more knowledgable. Like they did when he was in the series with Khali, they will see who is responsible for what is in front of them and react in kind.

Ryback has been carried in every single high profile match he has had.

This is why I get a little confused when people say Ryback has been 'wasted' by the WWE. Because of clever booking somebody lacking in every conceivable aspect except body is considered worthy of being in the main even by most fans. They have done an outstanding job with Ryback.

But the magic trick can only last so long. I honestly think after this series Ryback will fall back into the mid-card, which is where he belongs.



Got a little sidetracked there. Think I might not be a fan of Ryback.

[Mills]

I like the idea of Ryback, but I don't know if Ryan Reeves is the right talent to do it. Goldberg pulled it off magnificently, just a total badass.

[JP]

I like the idea of Ryback, but I don't know if Ryan Reeves is the right talent to do it. Goldberg pulled it off magnificently, just a total badass.

:yes:

Not so much on the Goldberg point as I think they're rather different, but absolutely on the Reeves point.

It's the quality of the character and booking that have got it to this point, not the performer. In fact, I'd argue from when he debuted, with a better performer in the role the character would already have been champion and not turned heel.

[chatty]

Reverse Kimura using the legs like a figure four would be impossible to get out of, maybes a little difficult to spring it from nowhere but would be a killer hold. Probably the two reasons why no one has bothered with it though.

[Badger]

Always liked Sean O'Haire's reverse DVD.

If Ambrose gets a decent finisher, he should call it Ambrosia.

[OD50]

Really don't like Ziggler's whateverthenameis. He should use the superkick (ShowOff Kick?), he does it brilliantly and it's a great homage to his boyhood idol. No, not 'Gentleman' Chris Adams..

The Dominator for Big E is a good shout. I've always disliked his current finisher but for some reason it looked kind of good this week on NXT against poor Brad Maddox, I think he did it slightly different than usual.

[MikeHunt]

POUNCE!

[HHHnFoley_Rulez]

Ryback needs to do the spear and jackhammer some time. When the crowd is chanting "GOLDBERG" at a big PPV, preferably. The reaction would be great.

He needs to spear them, then get them up for the Jackhammer, only to just drop them, mount the turnbuckle and scream "STUPID!!" at the crowd... while slapping his head.... errr... his bald head.. this isn't getting any less awkward. :yes:

[son_of_foley]

Fandangos finisher should incorporate dance somehow. I think perhaps something like Regals neck tie neckbreaker or Booker T's arm wrench heel kick but with a bit of flair to it.

[Ringo]

It basically does. He takes their arm, ducks under them and dips before hitting the reverse STO. Pretty common finisher but the little twist works nicely with his gimmick I think.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXxgNSRz7Kg

[JRSlim21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byL0UgvJDJM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHXGelVUKSw

A variation or combo of both of these can look devastating while protecting the guy receiving it.