The Marvel Cinematic Universe films

[Chris]

Only a couple of months to go until this hits cinemas. A new trailer was shown at the Super Bowl:

The Avengers - Extended Super Bowl Spot (HD) - YouTube

It looks fantastic. The scale of the action at the end feels like it's right out of the comics. Seeing the characters bounce off each other should also be a lot of fun. I'm really pulling for this - it's years in the making for Marvel Studios, and it'll be a big feather in Joss Whedon's cap.

[Zarius]

Funny, when I started this trailer I correctly predicted it would begin with someone saying "the world"

[lotjx]

The extended trailer is all kinds of bad ass. I thought this was the best commercial of the night.

[Rip]

"I have an army"

"We have a Hulk"

:lol:

[Jimmy Zero]

God fucking damn. That movie is going to be awesome. I haven't anticipated a movie this much since TDK. Can't wait.

[Guy]

I really really really really really hope it doesn't disappoint.

So much could go wrong with this movie, and it will take a miracle for it to be watchable, let alone good. Add on top of that my nerdy fan-boy expectations and it's a tall order for The Avengers.

But if anyone can do it, it's Whedon.

[Delta Devil]

I'm giddy as a school boy. :)

Can Not Wait.

[Mazer]

I was curious to see how Whedon would do with the action scenes. So far, it looks good.

You can definitely see Whedon's influence on the dialogue. If he can do one thing, it's write some memorable lines.

[Atty]

I hope he puts Spike in it.

[Bluemoon]

Wow great trailer, really want to see this.

[Mazer]

I hope he puts Spike in it.




I heard that there's a scene where Spike and Capt. America are searching for an amulet that gives the wearer some kind of destiny superpower.

Cap and Spike have a fight. Spike wins. But when he puts on the amulet he realizes its really just a chocolate candy that looks like an amulet.


Also, the fight scene has three cool lines, lots of flashbacks, and at least one speech about destiny.

[lotjx]

I heard that there's a scene where Spike and Capt. America are searching for an amulet that gives the wearer some kind of destiny superpower.

Cap and Spike have a fight. Spike wins. But when he puts on the amulet he realizes its really just a chocolate candy that looks like an amulet.


Also, the fight scene has three cool lines, lots of flashbacks, and at least one speech about destiny.

Sound oddly like the 2003 TV match of the year.

[mth]

So stoked for this flick. Hell effin' yeah. Trailer looks great.

[The Doc]

I'd love to see those flashbacks including how Spike and Cap either fought each other, fought together without knowing it or narrowly missed each other during World War II.

Does Cap's speech about destiny happen to include him mentioning the power flowing through his veins?


On a serious note this looks good. I'm still trying to keep from getting too excited. Cus Joss+Big Budget=scared me. At least with his run on Spiderman there is reason to believe he won't fuck with someone elses stuff much but damn. I'm also curious who the bad guys are gonna throw up against the Hulk or are they going to throw wave after wave of anything they can find at him and hope he exceeds his maximum kill limit? As far as I can tell (and correct me if I missed a bad guy) we're getting Loki, Red Skull, The Leader (or whomever the green guy with the big brain from the Hulk Comics is). Sure this Loki seems to be physically on par with Thor but really the bad guys have a lot of combined intelect but they're kinda lacking in raw stopping power.

[eldanielfire]

I like Weadons work but his stuff when it goes epic tends to get al deux ex Machina. That was skinda fine for Buffy where the plots were background to the characterisation over a series, but it would make an end to The Avengers movie weak.

[The Doc]

I don't usually feel he's bad with Deus ex machina. Sure it's come up to varying degrees at varying times through out his works. Like it was damn lucky that River figured out how to self trigger her bad ass mode pretty much exactly when she did. My problem is (and I do love the Buffy and Angel Comics) but literally the moment those stopped being shows that were heavily limited by pesky things like budgets and physics suddenly we have inside out boy working for the bad guys. Angel has a pet dragon, there's a talking tyrannosaurus and Ilyria's time skipping can literally change space around you so you start off fighting with a sword, then you end up on a pirate ship then suddenly you have light sabers. I'm BARELY exaggerating here and that's just what happens in the first volume of each comic.

While I'm sure they'll make it look good and threatening right now nothing from the trailers really has me thinking the Avengers are really in a bad place. Frankly right now they kinda feel a bit like overkill if not for the sheer numbers of the enemies. Does anybody know if that's the full team there or are we gonna get some of the others? Somehow Avengers-Antman just feels wrong. Even if all he does is some little side thing like Hawkeye did in Thor you can't not have him.

[Bluemoon]

I still dislike CA the most out of them all.

[Chris]

That shot of all the heroes back to back as the camera pans around them gave me chills.

I recommend staying away from everything but the official trailers if you want to go in cold. I was looking through reactions to the Super Bowl footage, and the toy lines and even shots from a now-cancelled video game tie-in are swarming with potential spoilers. Though there's an awful lot of wild speculation as well, regarding plot points and characters. I aim to go in to The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises knowing as little as possible, and just enjoy the ride.

[lotjx]

I don't usually feel he's bad with Deus ex machina. Sure it's come up to varying degrees at varying times through out his works. Like it was damn lucky that River figured out how to self trigger her bad ass mode pretty much exactly when she did. My problem is (and I do love the Buffy and Angel Comics) but literally the moment those stopped being shows that were heavily limited by pesky things like budgets and physics suddenly we have inside out boy working for the bad guys. Angel has a pet dragon, there's a talking tyrannosaurus and Ilyria's time skipping can literally change space around you so you start off fighting with a sword, then you end up on a pirate ship then suddenly you have light sabers. I'm BARELY exaggerating here and that's just what happens in the first volume of each comic.

While I'm sure they'll make it look good and threatening right now nothing from the trailers really has me thinking the Avengers are really in a bad place. Frankly right now they kinda feel a bit like overkill if not for the sheer numbers of the enemies. Does anybody know if that's the full team there or are we gonna get some of the others? Somehow Avengers-Antman just feels wrong. Even if all he does is some little side thing like Hawkeye did in Thor you can't not have him.

If you hate Buffy the show, the comic book will drove you nuts. I have never been more disappointed with a comic series than I have had with Buffy. I truly wish I could bitchslap Joss for that. I do think the strength of Joss doing this is you are going to see the relationships that define the group rather than a lot of small bang action til probably the end. I also hate Ant-man and Wasp, so glad they are gone.

[The Rogerer]

This looks boring and dumb. Iron Man 2 was pushing it, Captain America was good but now he's away from what made him interesting, Widow is hot but totally dull and Hulk has nowhere to go but a load of cg. Also I am not a Whedon fan so I'm in for a treat

[The Doc]

If you hate Buffy the show, the comic book will drove you nuts. I have never been more disappointed with a comic series than I have had with Buffy. I truly wish I could bitchslap Joss for that. I do think the strength of Joss doing this is you are going to see the relationships that define the group rather than a lot of small bang action til probably the end. I also hate Ant-man and Wasp, so glad they are gone.

Love the Buffy Show. Mixed feelings about the comic(s). I liked how the show was grounded. Sure there was a super powered girl and vampires and magic. But even at the end of the series there were very very few people who could use combat magic it was all rituals. Now it seems like the slayers at a disadvantage to your average witch not on better or at worse equal terms. I liked how big and strange demons were rare etc etc.

I hate Thor and I have to put up with the one hero who in comics bored me and in his own movie had me rooting for his brother to win even after finding out that Loki was a slightly bigger asshole than he'd really been shown as earlier in the film.

[The_Mike]

This looks boring and dumb. Iron Man 2 was pushing it, Captain America was good but now he's away from what made him interesting, Widow is hot but totally dull and Hulk has nowhere to go but a load of cg. Also I am not a Whedon fan so I'm in for a treat

I loved Whedon and I really liked Iron Man 2 (though naturally it was not as good as the first). Yet I also feel pretty cool on this movie. All the footage so far has looked like an anime highlight reel - characters jumping and posing and trying really, really hard to look cool. And some jerk has an army. I don't care. I really hope with Whedon taking the reins we'll actually have characters to worry about.

[Zarius]

I dunno, I keep thinking it's too soon for an Avengers movie. Maybe if each hero had two films a peice (like with Iron Man) it would feel less rushed.

[Matty C]

As a casual fan of comic book characters, knowing them only through movies and TV shows, I look forward to this movie. Could it have waited a bit until they hashed out each character a bit more, sure I guess, but each character might also not hold enough interest for more than one movie solely based on them.

The trailer is interesting. I don’t mind a bunch of explosives. The backstory for many of the main characters will already be known to a good deal of the audience now so that should allow for a concentration on telling the story instead of filling the audience in on character history, which should be good. And The Hulk will smash things, which I enjoy a great deal.

I’ll almost definitely go and see this.

[Bill Casey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPoHPNeU9fc

Is that...

machine at the end The Midgard Serpent?
Does that mean the invading army is the Sons of Muspell?

Thor's realm is really super advanced technology, so...
Is Loki bringing about Ragnarok?

[Delta Devil]

I was smiling through that whole thing. Step aside Dark Knight... this looks fantastic.

[sam_elmendorf]

Oh hell yeah! That's gonna be a f**king blast! Iron Man and Hulk are my favs.

[lotjx]

Fantastic.

[Jimmy Zero]

Holy fucking shit.

Looks like Joss finally figured out how to direct big time action sequences.

[Matty C]

Yeah, I'm seeing this as soon as it comes out... and I haven't seen a movie in theatres since Dark of the Moon.

[Chris]

Bloody hell, this will be phenomenal. Seeing superheroes team up in a big blockbuster was a dream of mine as a wee boy. It looks like they're really going to pull it off.

[LOCONUT]

Tremendous.

I must admit that the sheer size of the cast makes me a little nervous that this will be able to pull off any sort of depth that goes beyond some amazing action scenes, however there should be enough of that to make this movie a lot of fun if nothing else.

[Bill Casey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjwBfgDVUS0

*Except for Fury, who's from the 90s Iron Man cartoon

[RuneEdge]

Do either of the two previous Hulk movies tie in with his film? Or is it just Iron Man, Thor and Captain America?

[Guy]

Incredible Hulk ties in.

Different actor playing Hulk, but it plays off of that story.

"The Hulk" is irrelevant though.

[RuneEdge]

Thanks, I'll check that out.

[Chris]

I think I'll take a run-through of all the Marvel films leading up to this, to get in the zone.

- Iron Man
- The Incredible Hulk
- Iron Man 2
- Thor
- Captain America

I read an interview with Kevin Feige, where there's already talk of Avengers 2 - with the seeds being planted in Iron Man 3 which is out in May 2013.

[Mazer]

I always thought that the upside of bringing Joss Whendon into this is that he understands how to balance multiple characters/ensembles. Even in his comic writing , that tendency was displayed. Looks like they're going to nail the action scenes as well.

[Chris Scott]

I still need to see Iron Man 2 and Thor, not really fussed on Thor to be honest.

[MikeHunt]

Thor is brilliant. I thought it was going to be proper shit but loved it. I would say apart for iron man 1 Thor is my favourite of the related films in this series.

[RuneEdge]

I liked Thor. But I went into it knowing its all about building something for The Avengers movie. I guess its ok in its own right, but as a character and knowing he's a part of a bigger movie, I really liked it.

[Mazer]

Thor was better than expected. Thought it was a fun movie.

[The Doc]

Thor is. . .interesting. It's a lot better than I expected. If you haven't watched it you should before watching the Avengers. Still it's the first time in a long time that I've been rooting for the bad guy not because I felt like being contrary but because I honestly thought for most of the movie that he was a better person than the hero and we'd be better off not only if he'd won but if his father had realized that the kid who's willing to shatter a treaty almost on a whim really isn't the person you want in charge of an entire realm.

Still good movie.

[The_Mike]

I don't get it - this is normally the kind of thing that makes my eyes gloss over. Explosions, flips, anime-style posing... it's all flash but this time I actually see some substance underneath. It may just be bias since I really enjoyed the Iron Man movies and tend to like the work of Whedon, Johanssen and Robert Downey Jr, but somehow I actually gave a crap and was left really anticipating the movie after the latest trailer. Still not sure I buy the villain as enough of a credible threat to require the Avengers to save the planet, but I have a feeling they'll make it work. Definitely looking forward to this, and I might make the extra effort to see it in 3D.

[Chris Scott]

I'll give Thor a watch before this comes out.

[Jimmy Zero]

Thor is a good popcorn flick. I've never been a big fan of the character, so I wasn't expecting much from the film. I was pleasantly surprised. It's certainly nothing amazing, but a solid 2 hour block of entertainment.

[Chris Scott]

Ah no, it's not on for 2 hours is it?

[Rali]

Watched this at a pre screening toning. Went in with no expectations and loved it! Best Marvel movie in a while. Highly recommend!

[Droid]

I'll give Thor a watch before this comes out.

Did you watch it yet?

[mr sabu]

Just got back from watching this.

Good movie better then expected 8/10

[Zarius]

Got back from watching it.

Overall it was OK. It did feel somewhat rushed but that's what I expected. Loved the middle act more than the final big brawl, just felt more urgent and character driven.

Bit of a dick move to kill Coleson, but hey, this is a Whedon movie, this always happens in anything he does

Banner's "secret" was punch-the-air awesome..."I'm always angry"

[MikeHunt]

I'm off to see this tomorrow night!

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Got back from watching it.

Overall it was OK. It did feel somewhat rushed but that's what I expected. Loved the middle act more than the final big brawl, just felt more urgent and character driven.

Bit of a dick move to kill Coleson, but hey, this is a Whedon movie, this always happens in anything he does

Banner's "secret" was punch-the-air awesome..."I'm always angry"

I'm with you on this. I loved the ship and felt that was the stronger part.

The secret annoyed me since why could he control his anger at the end... but not in the middle? Didn't make a lot of sense to me. And the last battle I never got a sense that they may lose, they just came off as invincible, like when you're playing a video-game on easy.


Though the amount of money they poured into the film made it look fantastic.

[Zarius]

[color=#a0e00a]I'm with you on this. I loved the ship and felt that was the stronger part.

The secret annoyed me since why could he control his anger at the end... but not in the middle? Didn't make a lot of sense to me. And the last battle I never got a sense that they may lose, they just came off as invincible, like when you're playing a video-game on easy.

The whole thing about Banner controlling the beast was telegraphed at the end of the Norton movie...where he pulled that big dickheadish smirk on his face as his eyes were glowing. Whilst I personally love "Trollface Banner", I do see how it can baffle some people. My brother didnt understand how Banner could lose it one minute and be all focused the next, but then, he didnt see the Hulk flick

Also agree that the aliens were complete pushovers. I'd have settled for a more grounded plot than "other dimensional invasion", like a Hyrdra battle or something connected to Cap's movie. Relying on Thor's flick was a bit too "out of reach"

[Tramp]

Simple question: Is Avengers a movie people will be talking about a year from now, or is it a Sunday morning action flick you'll watch one time? Yes or no, gots to know.

[Chris]

Just back from it - incredible stuff. The first time in quite a while where my expectations for a big event film were majorly surpassed. Joss Whedon really scored a home run with this. He juggled all the characters very well, their personalities bounced off each other as you'd expect and everyone got a chance to shine. The way they effortlessly flicked between drama and comedy, in true Whedon fashion, was fantastic.

Hulk suddenly splattering Loki got the biggest laugh from the audience, as did his cheeky punch on Thor. Shame about Agent Coulson, but he really came into his own in the film and I think it was good for the threat to actually have consequences. They weren't going to kill off any of the heroes, but Coulson had been built up for 5 films and his loss did have an impact. The overall tone of the film was great - they had a pretty unique concept of joining up so many big stars, and they just had fun with it.

I think it was definitely the best depiction of Hulk so far (both in terms of the CGI and Mark Ruffalo as Banner). Captain America really became like the Captain America of the comics by the end. Iron Man had some great one-liners throughout, but they didn't fall into the trap of having him dominate proceedings. Thor's skirmishes throughout were great (I loved the way they managed to weave in a few dream fights, like Thor vs Iron Man, Thor vs Hulk and even round 2 of Thor vs Loki)Black Widow got her moments, and I thought the use of Hawkeye was fine. They fleshed out the Nick Fury character quite well (I liked the way a darker side of SHIELD was revealed, both with the weapons they were planning and Fury giving the heroes a "push" with the supposedly blood-stained trading cards, though I'm still not entirely convinced that he needs a film of his own in the future.

And the mid-credits scene at the end - Amazing. I was thinking as the film came to a close about how they could possibly top that in terms of a major threat, and figured the only person they could bring in would be Thanos. And then he pops up. And he actually looks exactly like Thanos. I hope they build him up over the next few Marvel films - as my friend isn't a big comics fan, he didn't have a clue who he was.

Overall, Marvel would be daft not to lock in Joss Whedon for the next Avengers film within a matter of weeks. The Dark Knight Rises has its work cut out for it this summer.

[Zarius]

I'm actually expecting TDKR to trump this pretty easily.


Simple question: Is Avengers a movie people will be talking about a year from now, or is it a Sunday morning action flick you'll watch one time? Yes or no, gots to know.

It's definatly one you can watch more than once. It's no Nolan Batflick or Superman The Movie though (which ARE deserving of the tired old proclomation "BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER"), and I thought Thor and The Incredible Hulk were tighter films than this plot-wise too.

[Beer-Belly]

I wouldn't be surprised if The Avengers makes more money considering it's in 3D.

Was the new TDKR trailer in front of the movie?

[Guy]

I've just come back from it.

It's probably the best film ever made.

[virms]

I've just come back from it.

It's probably the best film ever made.

So with that said it must have Bruce Campbell, zombies and lots of blue filter, yeah?

Seriously though, I want to see it :(

[Guy]

Also agree that the aliens were complete pushovers. I'd have settled for a more grounded plot than "other dimensional invasion", like a Hyrdra battle or something connected to Cap's movie. Relying on Thor's flick was a bit too "out of reach"

Cap's flick depended entirely on the Tesseract Cube. :wtf:

The red Skull goes after it at the beginning of the movie, then harnesses it's power, and then puts that power into all of his weapons and devices, and then eventually "dies" (or as we've seen now, obviously transports to another dimension) all because of it. It's his entire driving force and the main reason Cap exists in the first place.

[Guy]

So with that said it must have Bruce Campbell, zombies and lots of blue filter, yeah?

Seriously though, I want to see it :(

Oddly it had none of those things.

It was just amazing. It was everything it should have been and more. And seeing it in IMAX, in 3D surrounded by an entire audience of twenty-something comic books nerds (some in costume) with nobody chatting or on their phone. Instead everyone was just pissing themselves with laughter throughout, genuinely cheering at the awesome parts and clapping in awe at the EVEN MORE AWESOMER parts.

It was the best movies screening I have ever (and probably will ever) attend. Genuinely incredible.

[virms]

Ah. Had same experience at Attack of the Clones. The atmoshphere the people provided in the theatre made the movie seem much better than it really was. Not saying Avengers is shit mind you, I just know whatyou mean.

[Guy]

Yea it was incredible. I haven't had a cinema experience like it in a very long time. Probably since SAW actually.

[Atty]

Since you saw what?

[Guy]

Since I went to...

http://www.playgroundchildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Seesaw.jpg

[Beer-Belly]

Kenny Powers is better than everyone in the Avengers.

[Mik]

It was a very good superhero film, excellent really. But the Nolan films are on a different level. Regarding hulk's 'secret'.

the suggestions I've read is that the reason hulk could not contain his anger was because he had just been holding loki's staff. That being the reason why Loki had allowed himself to be captured.

I think it was the best screen adaption depicting hulk's rage and unpredictability and ridiculous power.

[Guy]

I don't compare this to the Nolan movies, because the Nolan movies lose the "comic" element in the translation to live action. They're essentially crime dramas. The fantasy element has almost been removed completely.

This is the film I've wanted superhero movies to be. A direct translation of the comic in both look and tone. There's a scene where

Iron Man essentially ends up in another galaxy/realm

and it doesn't feel out of place or jarring, even though by all accounts it completely should. At this point I feel like I could watch these actors/characters re-enact any of the more ridiculous scenarios from the comics, and still be just as engaged with them. The reason I usually prefer animated comic book movies, is because they can translate the more surreal or fantastical elements of the comics, but because it's animation, you don't question it and it works. That tends to get lost in live action. I was worried that trying to mesh Iron Man's universe and Thor's universe together would end up a confusing mess, but like in animation and in the world of comics themselves, this movie is so perfectly pitched that you just don't question it. It works.

If you took Nolan's Batman however, and stuck him in a film against Darkseid, or any other extra-terrestrial being/being from another dimension, it just wouldn't work, because they've tried so hard to suck the fantasy element out of those movies. The one hiccup I always had with the Batman movies, as amazing as they are, is sometimes they just took a bit of the fun away from the source material. Joker wearing face paint nor being an extravagant showman, Ra's NOT being an immortal, Bane being a short well built man as opposed to a towering mass of muscle. It works in that it creates more 'realism' for the live action drama, but at the same time misses some of the fun that's found in the original comics and the animated series/movies.

With The Avengers I genuinely felt like someone had just made the panels move in a comic book.

[Beer-Belly]

Actually, Tony Stark isn't that bad. The way Downey Jr. plays him irritates me because he never gets any form of comeuppance for being such a prick.

Is Cap cool in this? I do love me some Captain America.

[Guy]

He's far cooler in this than he is in his own movie.

Mainly as in his movie he's just a naive kid thrust into a ridiculous situation, and his growth as team leader is kind of lost in the montages of explosions that take up the latter part of the movie.

In Avengers however, you see him actually acting in the role of a field leader.

I was worried when Evans was cast, as to whether he could work as Cap with his youth, as Cap was the guy that calls other soldiers "son" and that people are constantly looking up to for advice and inspiration.

I really enjoy the Cap movie, but obviously he wouldn't be at that level yet, with it being the origin story. But by the time this ends and he totally takes control of a particular situation and refers to a soldier as "son" and "boy" and it totally works.

The costume could probably still use a bit of work though. It's not terrible, and I totally bought it as the movie progressed, but standing next to the bulky Iron Man, CGI Hulk and ridiculously god sized Thor, Cap looks sorta skinny.

[Chris]

Also, if you find Stark annoying, Cap has some choice words for him throughout their exchanges.

The film's at 96% on rotten tomatoes, and the pre-sales are huge.

I can't remember the last time I had so much fun at the cinema - a lot of things could have gone wrong with this endeavour, but they pulled it off beautifully. I'd have to see it a few more times before comparing it to The Dark Knight. I'd agree with Helen O'Hara's take on Empire's podcast that you could probably put The Dark Knight in a different category altogether.

[Beefy]

I'm seeing this tomorrow night. I've not seen any of the earlier films. Am I going to understand what's going on? Obviously I've a passing familiarity with most of the main characters.

[Fanny]

you should get the general gist easily enough, although I'd suggest at least catching Thor beforehand

[Atty]

I'm not seeing Avengers until the midnight iMAX opening here (Thursday), but I'd highly recommend giving Iron Man 1 and Cap a watch tonight if you have the time.

[Guy]

I couldn't imagine watching it without the other movies in mind.

I kinda guess you COULD see it without seeing the other movies, but it seems to me that the build up and continuity/progress of these character is half the fun.

[Chris]

Nah, I think it's still accessible to the general movie-going public. Though it has a bigger impact after you've seen how all these characters originated, certainly. But the joy of this film is the deeper analysis of most of the characters, and watching the sparks fly when they're placed in a small room together.

I'd recommend watching Thor and Captain America, if you had the time. If you only had time for one film, I'd lean towards Thor as it's about the most direct lead-in to The Avengers. But then I watched all 5 of the Marvel films in a 5 night marathon leading up to yesterday...

[Atty]

They have a bundle at the iMAX here to see ALL of them on the Thursday leading into the midnight debut. My friends and I talked about it, but I have my last presentation of the semester that afternoon/evening. That and I'd be spent by the time they got to Avengers.


I'm really hoping, however, that they do something like that for TDKR. Never got to see TDK in iMAX and my friends and I will be watching both again right before at my house anyway.

[Guy]

I'm not disputing the possibility of being able to watch it without the others. I'm just saying that I find it difficult to imagine doing so, as I can't possibly imagine watching this WITHOUT the build up behind it.

The film is fantastic, but ultimately it is the pay off to five films worth of build, it just seems odd to jump to the pay off without attempting some of the build. I have no idea how this film would play to me without having the 5 films worth of emotional weight behind it. The direction these characters are coming from, and half the drama in the film comes from the hours of development that comes before it.

You could probably follow the story (maybe have the odd question or two) and the humour and drama will play out fine and enjoyable. But having those other stories behind each character turns every decision and every line of dialogue from a good joke to an incredible joke, or a good line to an incredible line, or good character development into incredible character moment/pay-off.

[Guy]

They have a bundle at the iMAX here to see ALL of them on the Thursday leading into the midnight debut. My friends and I talked about it, but I have my last presentation of the semester that afternoon/evening. That and I'd be spent by the time they got to Avengers.

I heard of a similar offer around here, and was extremely tempted. But then, twelve hours of film BEFORE getting to The Avengers is probably far too much and would possibly just shit on the anticipation of the movie.

I did a film a night over five nights, including the two one-shot movies included on the Thor and Cap Blu Rays, then The Avengers itself.
EDIT: Essentially what Chris did.

[Chris]

I had second thoughts about doing the marathon, as I thought my expectations would be ridiculously high when I got to The Avengers. It's a testament to how good the film is that it managed to be even better than I expected, following a 5 night build-up. As Atty said, I'll probably do the same with The Dark Knight Rises.

[Beefy]

The only film from the build up I have access to is Iron Man 2, which is on Netflix. I joined Netflix last night hoping that some of the others would be on there but they're not.

I'm not that fussed. It's a blockbuster comicbook film featuring a bunch of character I've already got a passing familiarity with. I can't see it going over my head.

[grimshaw]

That was really excellent.

i was worried it would be a bit too crowded with each character having to get their little one-liners or catchphrases in but they dealt with it very well I think by making sure we were always seeing new pairings/groups of characters together to see how they interact.

A few things annoyed me, Loki speaking English all poetic and all the Germans being totally ok wth it, lol. And a little old kraut talking back in English. Thor colliding with Iron Man and Iron Man 'winning' when by rights the Hammer should give Thor much more momentum. What exactly is Black Widow apart from some kind of counsellor slash hot rang. Hawkeye just is good at archery. Not that they are bad but they don't seem on the level of the others.

Very well written. Too much Sam Jackson to be honest, though I will admit this role was made for him. The baseball cards shite was shite. Couldn't take Robin seriously. Still having trouble not thinking Thor is Kit from Home and Away. Wasn't sure about Loki as villain but he turned out well.

Biggest complaint was the faceless army of doom. Perhaps you comic chaps (I am into comics but not superhero comics) will know all about them and love it, but to me they needed a bit more.

PS you have access to all the buildup films if you have access to this forum.

[Guy]

That was really excellent.

i was worried it would be a bit too crowded with each character having to get their little one-liners or catchphrases in but they dealt with it very well I think by making sure we were always seeing new pairings/groups of characters together to see how they interact.

A few things annoyed me, Loki speaking English all poetic and all the Germans being totally ok wth it, lol. And a little old kraut talking back in English.
Yea I totally didn't think about this. But then again, I totally didn't think about Red Skull talking in English all the way through the Captain America movie

Thor colliding with Iron Man and Iron Man 'winning' when by rights the Hammer should give Thor much more momentum.
Didn't Iron Man only start to gain equal ground when his suit was lightninged up to 300% power?

What exactly is Black Widow apart from some kind of counsellor slash hot rang. Hawkeye just is good at archery. Not that they are bad but they don't seem on the level of the others.
They're not on the level of the others. They are human. Trained humans. Black Widow is a spy/operative, and Hawkeye is a sniper/operative. They were SHIELD'S agents BEFORE the rise of the superhuman. Essentially trained government assassins.

Very well written. Too much Sam Jackson to be honest, though I will admit this role was made for him. The baseball cards shite was shite. Couldn't take Robin seriously. Still having trouble not thinking Thor is Kit from Home and Away. Wasn't sure about Loki as villain but he turned out well.
The role was LITERALLY made for him

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/thumb/d/df/Furyult.jpg/406px-Furyult.jpg

I genuinely thought Fury was in the film for a strong amount. Enough to take him seriously as a genuine character as opposed to some dude that just pops up for two minutes. And again the baseball cards I thought was a fantastic way of showing Fury's ability to manipulate and lie to protect the Earth. He's not a complete do-gooder. Admittedly Maria Hill wasn't played half as well as I was hoping. It was just Robin from HIMYM saying military things, she didn't have a presence, let alone a hard enough demeanor for the job she was supposed to be doing. She does look like the character though, so there is that.

Biggest complaint was the faceless army of doom. Perhaps you comic chaps (I am into comics but not superhero comics) will know all about them and love it, but to me they needed a bit more.
The faceless army of doom are pretty much just as faceless in the comic, though they have more of a part in human history. Essentially they were used in this film because they were newer enemies in the Marvel Universe and do not have sixty years worth of back-story behind them for the movie to have to squeeze in with everything else. Essentially they could be moulded into just being Loki's faceless army from a planet who really wants the Cube, and no Marvel fan is going to go mental for the change in their story/apperance. They were a bit anonymous, but at the same time I think there sheer over-whelming size and number helped them seem more of a threat. Watching them, and the things they rode in on, swarm over New York was epic, and knowing only these 6 or 7 guys were going to be the ones fighting them all off just made it seem terribly un-even. Every big movie bad guy has his faceless thugs for the good guys to murder their way through, I think these ones just happened to have a name. But no they aren't really a big thing in the comics either, just a reason for the heroes to put aside their difference and come together.

Boosh.

[wardy]

Seen it last night with the first Iron Man being the only relevant film I'd watched beforehand. Thought it was ok. Best bit was Thor's "He's adopted" line.

[Beefy]

A few things annoyed me, Loki speaking English all poetic and all the Germans being totally ok wth it, lol. And a little old kraut talking back in English.

Have you been to Germany? There's absolutely nothing wrong with that bit of the film.

[Christopherson]

I loved it, I've watched Thor, Captain America and the Iron Man films so I had a vague idea about the characters. Which is not to say I knew what was going on through out the film, to know that you would have to read the comics and I haven't read any in 20 years, and because of this I think the film caters for the movie goer as well as the hardcore fans.

It was so good the wife was even getting super excited during the fight scenes.

Favourite scenes was Hulk fucking up Loki, Thor's "he's adopted" and just the whole battle at the end, fantastic.

[grimshaw]

Didn't Iron Man only start to gain equal ground whenhis suit was lightninged up to 300% power?


Momentum is velocity times mass. They collide at roughly equal velocity, and so the outcome of their collision (I'm talking about only a single collision here) should be determined by mass.

Now hor's hammer's mass is obviously not an obvious thing to deal with but I'm picking nits and it bugged me. It's the sort of little thing that the movie got right most of the time. For eexample watching Hulk's feet sink into the floor when he tried to pick up the hammer (though technically that implies the hammer itself should be forever sinking :P....)

Yes I've been to Germany and no I dont think the scene was especially accurate. Loki should have at least dumbed the verse down a tad.

[Guy]

Momentum is velocity times mass. They collide at roughly equal velocity, and so the outcome of their collision (I'm talking about only a single collision here) should be determined by mass.

Now hor's hammer's mass is obviously not an obvious thing to deal with but I'm picking nits and it bugged me. It's the sort of little thing that the movie got right most of the time. For eexample watching Hulk's feet sink into the floor when he tried to pick up the hammer (though technically that implies the hammer itself should be forever sinking :P....)


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http://edge.papercutpm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/hulk-smash.png

[virms]

Magic and math doesn't really work so well together blood. Let the android be.

[Beefy]

Yes I've been to Germany and no I dont think the scene was especially accurate. Loki should have at least dumbed the verse down a tad.

Your average German speaks better English than your average Brit does. Particularly well-off Germans in big cities. Even if not all of them had understood him, enough would that when they kneeled the rest followed.

If that had been someone speaking German in London or Sydney and everyone understanding it then obviously it wouldn't have worked.

[takerson]

Just got home from seeing this. I'd like to open by saying that I've never been a comic book person, and I've always only had a passing interest in movies based on them (except for Batman, Batman's awesome). I only went because my 15 year old brother wanted to go, so I took him because I'M awesome. I saw it in 3D, only my 2nd 3D movie after Titanic 3D which doesn't really count.

I was absolutely blown away by the 3D, the story had me hooked, the action was incredible and intense, and the jokes/humor were hilarious.

I loved the movie and everything about it. Go see it.


And I don't know who the hell the big square-jawed/red-faced guy at the very end (halfway through the credits) was, but judging from the fact that it was saved as a during-the-credits surprise, and the fact that everyone in the theater was like "oh SHIT!" it must be somebody important... so the excitement has rubbed off on me. I don't know who the fucker is, but I know he's a big deal. Can someone fill me in, in general, who he is in a spoiler tag please? And is Avengers Part II out yet? :lol:

[Atty]

This finally came out here last night at midnight. Great summer popcorn flick. Insanely fun. Didn't feel it was particularly deep, but it wasn't trying to be. It wanted to be fun and it was to a fantastic degree. I thought Loki was boring to the point of hurting the film for me in Thor but, in here, he was fantastic.

Also, Hulk had my single favorite moment in any Marvel movie ever:When Loki goes on to him about how he a God and "blah, blah, blah" and Hulk just grabs him by the legs and smashes him back and forth into the ground. Insanely fun and a most satisfying way to take out a character like Loki.

Post credits bit was fucking brilliant too, with every just eating sandwiches in costume.

Great summer film. Can't wait for a sequel.

[Beer-Belly]

How many Atnumbers would you give it out of 10?

[Guy]

Just got home from seeing this. I'd like to open by saying that I've never been a comic book person, and I've always only had a passing interest in movies based on them (except for Batman, Batman's awesome). I only went because my 15 year old brother wanted to go, so I took him because I'M awesome. I saw it in 3D, only my 2nd 3D movie after Titanic 3D which doesn't really count.

I was absolutely blown away by the 3D, the story had me hooked, the action was incredible and intense, and the jokes/humor were hilarious.

I loved the movie and everything about it. Go see it.


And I don't know who the hell the big square-jawed/red-faced guy at the very end (halfway through the credits) was, but judging from the fact that it was saved as a during-the-credits surprise, and the fact that everyone in the theater was like "oh SHIT!" it must be somebody important... so the excitement has rubbed off on me. I don't know who the fucker is, but I know he's a big deal. Can someone fill me in, in general, who he is in a spoiler tag please? And is Avengers Part II out yet? :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos

Glad you enjoyed it. You should definitely watch a couple of the lead up movies if you haven't.

[takerson]

Oh, I did watch Thor and Captain America last night. My brother insisted on it, and I'm SOOOO glad I did. As knowing the characters and how they got to that point was key in enjoying the movie. It felt like one BIG movie with Thor & Captain America, and I don't think I'd have enjoyed it even half as much if I didn't see them first. It felt like Thor II and Capt. America II at the same time, which was fantastic.

[takerson]

Oh, and thanks for the filling-me-in link to who Thanos is. :yes:

[Guy]

There's so many little nods and winks and links to Marvel lore and previous films, it's really magnificent.

Just little lines like Tony Stark answering the call from SHIELD and claiming to be "Tony Stark's Life Model Decoy" has me nerding out like crazy.

And I love how it furthers EVERYONE's stories.

I love how Stark Tower is in itself a direct continuation of the idea he had to focus on arc reactor tech when he first got back from Afghanistan in the original movie.

I love how Loki/Thor's story is now pretty much complete. How Cap has adjusted to the new world and his role as a leader in it. How Hulk has learned to control and direct his rage almost at will, dependent on what it is specifically that angers him.

The only small small tiny niggling annoyance I have with the movie is Thor's appearance being explained away in a throwaway line. The bi-frost was destroyed, that was a pretty massive and definitive plot point, and it just gets glossed over in a way that's so un-natural considering how much thought was put into EVERY tiny detail in the movie

[Atty]

How many Atnumbers would you give it out of 10?
9-ish. I tend to give more top scores though. Like a 3 1/2 out out 4. Stupidly enjoyable.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos

Glad you enjoyed it. You should definitely watch a couple of the lead up movies if you haven't.

Exiting the movie, my friends and I were debating who it was.

We were between Thanos and Red Skull. Red Skull just because none of us believes he's "dead" after Captain America and that it wasn't a clear view of the face, but there was red. Thanos is what we settled on though, in the parking lot.


I did enjoy that, at a midnight premiere of a Marvel movie, that there were at least 20-30 in the iMAX that got up and left at the start of the credits. I don't get how anyone could leave at this point, with every movie having something post credits.

[Zarius]

Some of us don't give a hoot about the post credits scenes.

[Guy]

I assumed it was going to be Red Skull when the camera was coming towards the back of him. When he turned I originally thought it was a discoloured skrull (due to the chin) I had to do some research myself before realising it obviously wasn't.

We didn't get the eating in a cafe scene in the UK. :(

[Atty]

Some of us don't give a hoot about the post credits scenes.

Yes and most people like that aren't in the iMAX theater where tickets are like $20 a piece at the midnight opening, after having had to wait in a line until 11:00 that stretched through the mall just to get inside.

[Chris]

Regarding the post-credits scene:

I suppose I can see the resemblance to Red Skull, but when they had the line about how going to Earth would be courting death, I knew what the reveal would be. I wonder if they'll riff on the Infinity Gauntlet story, by actually sending the Avengers into space to confront Thanos. We've seen an alien invasion of Earth now, so perhaps the Avengers will be taken out of their comfort zone. I think they absolutely could make that leap, unlike the X-Men where going into space for a full-blown adaptation of the Phoenix story would have seemed mental (not that I'm endorsing how X3 turned out in any way whatsoever).

[Guy]

Regarding the post-credits scene:

I suppose I can see the resemblance to Red Skull, but when they had the line about how going to Earth would be courting death, I knew what the reveal would be. I wonder if they'll riff on the Infinity Gauntlet story, by actually sending the Avengers into space to confront Thanos. We've seen an alien invasion of Earth now, so perhaps the Avengers will be taken out of their comfort zone. I think they absolutely could make that leap, unlike the X-Men where going into space for a full-blown adaptation of the Phoenix story would have seemed mental (not that I'm endorsing how X3 turned out in any way whatsoever).

Considering

The Infinity Gauntlet is just sat there in Odin's trophy room in Thor. I can't see why they wouldn't go for it.

I mean this film ended with Iron Man flying a nuke into an alternate realm in order to defeat and army of aliens and a god......so it's kind of all or nothing at this point

[Atty]

Perhaps this is a stronger review, some friends are seeing this later and I liked it enough that I'm going again.

[RuneEdge]

We didn't get the eating in a cafe scene in the UK. :(
Is there anywhere we can see this?

[Guy]

Is there anywhere we can see this?

Nah. I've looked hard enough for a clip of it but other than he photo below I can't find anything.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ivif69.jpg

[Chris]

Considering

The Infinity Gauntlet is just sat their in Odin's trophy room in Thor. I can't see why they would go for it.

I mean this film ended with Iron Man flying a nuke into an alternate realm in order to defeat and army of aliens and a god......so it's kind of all or nothing at this point
I did saying riffing on the idea - not that they'd have to go after the gauntlet or directly lift from any other Thanos story. Just more the idea of the Avengers actually leaving our galaxy to confront a villain in the sequel.

I'm hoping to see this again in the next week or so. Haven't gone back for a repeat cinema viewing since Star Trek. Empire have a short podcast with Kevin Fiege about the film which goes into spoilers. Haven't listened to it yet, but he was good in the non-spoiler conversation the week before.

[takerson]

That scene wasn't in the version I saw here in the southeast US either. :(

[Guy]

I did saying riffing on the idea - not that they'd have to go after the gauntlet or directly lift from any other Thanos story. Just more the idea of the Avengers actually leaving our galaxy to confront a villain in the sequel.

I'm hoping to see this again in the next week or so. Haven't gone back for a repeat cinema viewing since Star Trek. Empire have a short podcast with Kevin Fiege about the film which goes into spoilers. Haven't listened to it yet, but he was good in the non-spoiler conversation the week before.

Sorry Chris I made some mad typos in that post.

I meant to say I can't see why they "wouldn't" go for it, considering it's already set up and that this film has already successfully broken the barrier of "realism" and retained the drama, character and humour.

[eldanielfire]

Just saw this. It was really, really, really enjoyanle from start to end. Far better then what any Super friends type of film has any right to be. I liked the fan boy fights were were perfectly set-up without appearing flash or forced in, and excuted well and logically without ruining the characters like Ironman going toe to toe with Thor but it seeming obvious Stark was coming off worse if it continued and the Hulk battering Thor about Thor still giving it.

As for the Hulk controlling his anger, I thought it was a case of him keeping control while being angry when needed but if something painfuly unfocuses his mind or he lets go he Hulks out.

I did love the fact the film continued the hero's natural character progression and felt totally natural. If this film flopped and no Marvel comic films were still to come it would have been a good end to leave it on. I wonder if Fury will be used so heavily in future? His character arc seemed to come to a head nicely here.

Anyways characters I want it for Avengers 2, Ant-man and the Wasp would be a nice touch, Scarlett Witch, Black Panther, Ms Marvel? The nice thing from what I recall about Marvel is that their characters are essentially more interesting then DC having more character tics and flaws and friction from their early days

[RuneEdge]

Just looking at Blood's avatar makes me want to go and watch the movie again. Can't wait to own this blu-ray.

[Atty]

Just looking at Blood's avatar makes me want to go and watch the movie again. Can't wait to own this blu-ray.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/at528/hulk_v_loki.gif

[lotjx]

Meet and exceeding expectations. Characters were dead on and a lot of great action sequences. Some great fanboy mark out moments. Can't wait for the DVD and the extra 30 minutes.

[virms]

Great flick. I just want some Wolverine in the next one and a Black Widow nude scene. :shifty:

Hulk smashing Loki was so immense. Just fantastic.

[Atty]

That's my favorite Marvel movie moment ever. I saw it twice with friends this weekend and it killed me each time. Second may have gotten a bigger reaction from me than the first.

[virms]

Definitely my favorite at the moment to. I also have to say that I have never really been that big of a fan of Ironman but this movie really made me a fan. Loved the small touch of wearing the Black Sabbath shirt.

In fact, I will probably go back and watch the first two again just to see if the character sticks with me.

[Atty]

He also has killer entrance music. And is a drunk.

[LOCONUT]

I enjoyed the first Iron Man a lot. Didnt care as much for the second. Really lookoing forward to this after seeing all the positive reviews.

[Mik]

It's very good. It's a proper comic book superhero movie and the best thing is that it does it without even using many of marvels most popular characters.

[Guy]

He also has killer entrance music. And is a drunk.

I loved Shoot to Thrill at the beginning of Iron Man 2, I thought it was an immense entrance for him. I was hoping we'd get some AC/DC in Avengers, and when Shoot to Thrill started over the ships intercom (leading to the first genuine meeting of heroes) there was genuine cheering in the theatre.

Actually I can't remember a moment that didn't bring about cheering.

God I fucking love this film.


It's very good. It's a proper comic book superhero movie and the best thing is that it does it without even using many of marvels most popular characters.

Without using many of Marvel popular characters? Who's bigger than Hulk/Cap/Iron Man other than maybe Spidey and Wolverine?

[grimshaw]

Magic and math doesn't really work so well together blood. Let the android be.

You call yourselves nerds

[Mik]

Spidey is the biggest character they have. The x men and the fantastic four are big characters that are also absent. It's clear that you have a tremendous erection for this film, but I'm not criticising it, I'm praising it. The film did over $200m in its opening weekend. The first film to ever achieve that.

I still think that The Dark Knight Rises is going to blow it away in terms of commercial, critical and lasting legacy though.

[Chris]

With the big box office takings, I hope the studio doesn't try and rush a sequel. I have no need to see Avengers 2 in just over 2 years time. I'd prefer another slow build. Saying that, with the cast that would be returning for the sequel, it would likely be some time before they could get all of their schedules to align once again.

I too think that The Dark Knight Rises will be amazing.

[lotjx]

We are getting Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 next year followed by Cap 2 in 2014. There is also rumors Edgar Wright got an email about Ant Man this weekend. Personally I want to see the sequel like tomorrow. I also figure in those movies they are going to be talking about the Infinity Gems since if Ben Kingsly is The Mandrian. He likes to have rings plus we still have Red Skull in space for Cap to deal with. Along with probably Winter Soldier. On top of the fact that Thor has Loki and the Cube which I am sure Thanos will still want. They are also talking about doing Hulk which after the fan response wouldn't shock me. They still have the Leader to deal with from Hulk who would be someone else that could go after the gems. Yet, at some point if they do Thanos, they are going to need Adam Warlock.

[Guy]

Spidey is the biggest character they have. The x men and the fantastic four are big characters that are also absent. It's clear that you have a tremendous erection for this film, but I'm not criticising it, I'm praising it. The film did over $200m in its opening weekend. The first film to ever achieve that.

I still think that The Dark Knight Rises is going to blow it away in terms of commercial, critical and lasting legacy though.

I wasn't saying you were criticising it, I was simply disagreeing that Iron Man, Captain America and The Hulk weren't some of Marvel's biggest characters.

Thor, Loki, Fury, Hawkeye, Black Widow and Maria Hill...sure. But I wouldn't put the whole of the X-Men and the whole of the Fantastic Four above those other three. Other than Wolverine I couldn't imagine people were that familiar with the individual X-Men before that movie came out, and I can't imagine many non-comic-book-reading people could name the individual members of the Fantastic Four either.

[RuneEdge]

Hulk's definately a big name considering his TV series from the 70's/80's. Im sure theres a whole generation of people who know who Hulk is before someone like Wolverine.

[virms]

I am sure at some point they will put all the big names in the Avengers just for the money.If Dc goes this route at some point I will be thrilled.After that imagine a DC vs Marvel movie. I know it is unlikely but if these movies continue to bring in record breaking money I would say there is a chance. We wouldnt see it for a decade though

[Chris]

If Marvel could even get back the rights for Spiderman, that would be enough for me. Sadly, I don't see that ever happening, especially when that franchise is being rebooted for what will surely be at least a trilogy. Harry on AICN ranted about how Marvel could cut some deal with Sony and Fox to put everyone in a mega-film, but that sounds like extremely wishful thinking. I'd love to see Marvel's take on the Fantastic Four, though.

Regardless, get Joss back for the sequel, add a couple of new heroes and/or villains, and I'll be there on opening day.

[lotjx]

Hulk and Captain America are fairly well known especially Hulk. Its Iron Man who has been a bit B team that they turned into a star with the films. I think Marvel will at least get FF back by this time next year. It also won't shock me to see Spiderman back in the fold if it turns out to be less than stellar ie less than $250 million. I am sure the overseas markets will push it to that point, those guys are just eating these movies up. They are going to need to at least get some of the other heroes involved if they want to do Infinity Gauntlet like Silver Surfer, Dr. Doom and Wolverine. Can imagine Wolverine vs. Hulk now? And yes, Joss needs to be back. He needs to be there if for anything else the script being tight and having the experience working with these guys. Damn did it show in X-3 when Singer was gone.

[Atty]

In the sequel, Samuel L. Jackson should walk up to Hugh Jackman in a bar to recruit him...

[Guy]

I can't see them ever getting Spidey and The X-Men/Wolvie rights back. Those properties are far too lucrative to drop, and this whole Avengers continuity will be done by the time they're dry enough for Fox/Sony to consider selling them back to Marvel. With Avengers, I'd love for them to give us a sequel to each of the individual franchises first, maybe start setting up Ant-Man/Wasp (which Edgar Wright has been on for a long time). And then get "The Avengers 2" up and running, hopefully with the want for it as high as this one was, with Joss back on board.

If they do go the route of the Infinity Gauntlet, then they only really need to set up Dr Strange (which is apparently the only hero other than Ant Man that they're looking at putting a film together for). I say that because he's the only real "magic" based character needed. They don't need Silver Surfer, or Adam Warlock or any of those that are actually in the story, it just needs stripping to its bare essentials. Evil guy with powerful glove can warp time and reality, someone with use of magic can distract him long enough to be beaten or disarmed. Done.

I'll be honest though, they've managed it so perfectly that I'd hate to see them ruin all of this for themselves by trying to cram too much. It's ridiculously lucky that it's all worked out so well as it has so far, even then they've already had to re-cast one minor character (War Machine) and one major character (Hulk). So it could be daft for them to keep opening the floodgates for more franchises, characters, and essentially actors to drop out and need replacing. I mean how long can the next Avengers wait when Robert Downey Jr is already 47...

As much as I can't wait for the next installments in these franchises, I'd be happy if it ended with the movie that's currently in cinemas. And if these sequels really do get underway, I'd be happy with it tying off at Avengers 2 and only with the existing heroes involved (maybe with War Machine and Bucky thrown in or something). I'm extremely happy with the six film run they've had so far, and if everything goes tits up with shitty movies, constant re-casting or whatever from here on out (which lets be honest, is far more likely to happen than Sony lending them Spider-Man and that addition making ANY sense in the current continuity) then I feel like at least this part of the run worked great and ties itself off at a decent ending.

[Atty]

War Machine should have flown in at the end, acted like he overslept said "I'm here guys!" and then hit Loki with the Ex-Wife. Nothing happens. All the Avengers say "BROOOOODY!" in a ThunderCats-like "Snarf!" moment where they're all clearly just embarrassed to be around him.


In terms of the individual movies, the only ones I want sequels to are Iron Man and Captain America. I really don't think they need another Thor movie and could have some cross-over anyway. Would actually love to see Black Widow in Capt 2. Liked the chemistry/vibe I got from Scarlett and Evans and think they could play very well together.

[Guy]

I love the idea that War Machine just sat this one out, after giving Stark the whole "take responsibility" lectures for two movies.

Just chilling at home whilst all over the news Manhattan is falling to shit.

[Atty]

Him sitting there at home and watching on tv with some popcorn would have been a tremendous cut away. Or, at the height of the battle, cut to Don Cheadle asleep in bed and then back to the fight.

[lotjx]

You need Warlock if you want to do Infinity Gauntlet. He is the equal and opposite of Thanos He is also Mr. Expedition. I can see him in Thor either giving Thor a warning or showing up at the end. Thor is the cosmic/magic guy and if anyone can pop in for a visit to any of the films its him. If they do Ant-Man, they can easily have Ultron/Vision along with Wasp and probably Stark or Banner has resident sci nerd. Captain America 2 could have Hawkeye or Black Widow or even Fury in it with adding Falcon as part of the team. For the threat involved with the Gems, you are going to need a lot of characters if anything else to get mowed down to heighten the danger they are in. The question will be if Thanos comes alone or teams up with Red Skull or even the Skrulls.

Disney is a giant entity and they are probably going to hit the billion mark with this film by the end of the month. First Class didn't do well at the box office, Ghost Rider tanked and Spiderman could easily be this year's Green Lantern. Fox and Sony may decided its better to play ball then have the Disney lawyers, who re-write copyright laws, up their ass.

[Mik]

I wasn't saying you were criticising it, I was simply disagreeing that Iron Man, Captain America and The Hulk weren't some of Marvel's biggest characters.

Thor, Loki, Fury, Hawkeye, Black Widow and Maria Hill...sure. But I wouldn't put the whole of the X-Men and the whole of the Fantastic Four above those other three. Other than Wolverine I couldn't imagine people were that familiar with the individual X-Men before that movie came out, and I can't imagine many non-comic-book-reading people could name the individual members of the Fantastic Four either.

I dont really see what you are disagreeing with here. I didnt say that the characters they used were shit, I said that they were missing many of Marvel's biggest characters. Historically Spider Man is Marvel's biggest selling comic book character, in terms of comic books sales X-Men have sold SHITLOADS more comic books than Iron Man, Hulk and Thor put together recently (including since they started the Marvel film franchise). In fact with the exception of Avengers (usually vs X-Men) the X-Men comics are Marvel's biggest sellers by quite a distance. While Fantastic Four sells very comparably to Hulk and significantly more than Captain America, Iron Man and Thor.

[Guy]

What I'm saying, is that aside from Spidey and anything involving Wolverine, The Avengers are some of Marvel's biggest characters.

I can't imagine anyone in the world not knowing who The Hulk is, or not being able to recognise Captain America.

[Chris Scott]

Yep I loved this film, knew I would as I'm a sucker for superhero stuff. Loved how all the characters got good screen time and how they all mixed together.

[Mik]

What I'm saying, is that aside from Spidey and anything involving Wolverine, The Avengers are some of Marvel's biggest characters.

I can't imagine anyone in the world not knowing who The Hulk is, or not being able to recognise Captain America.

I said that they did not use many (as in there are many of Marvel's biggest characters that they did not use)...and they didnt. Dont really see your point here mate.

I didnt say that the characters they used are not recognisable. I said that Spider Man and the X-Men are very recognisable comic book characters (and the F4), which they did not use in this film...which makes it all the more impressive how well this film has done.

[LOCONUT]

FFS

[Fanny]

what's rattled your cage?

[grimshaw]

someone who'll rattle the cages, of course. someone like you

[grimshaw]

i assume he's as bored as I am with the simple misunderstanding about the nature of the phrase 'goes without some of Marvel's biggest characters'. I will spell it out.

Mik's interpretation of the phrase is: "some of Marvel's biggest characters are not present in this film. The film 'goes without' a group containing 'some of Marvel's biggest characters'".
Guy's interpretation is: "The set of characters in the film does not contain any subset which could be classed 'some of Marvel's biggest characters'".

Both are reasonable interpretations. It is clear that Mik meant sense 1.

[Hero!]

God yes this was awesome. Midnight showing, with some boys from work, and we snuck beer in. Hell, after complaining that the theater was too packed, they opened another one and we got first pick of seats.

The movie itself rocked from start to finish. The story never slowed down or became uninteresting and everyone brought their a-game with their characters in this one. Loved all of the in-fighting (both physical and just team bickering) and character dialogue. The fighting itself was top notch and there were no wasted motions. Everyone got to showcase their skills and really showed off their unique styles and showed WHY we need a group like the Avengers, who all have different skills and uses in a big fight like that.

My ONE gripe? I don't recall anyone ever actually calling Clint, "Hawkeye" :(

[Fanny]

I'm fairly sure old professor whatsisface does in basically the first SHIELD underground scene of the film?

[Jimmy Zero]

Just got back. What an excellent movie. I'll take this over the Nolan Batman's any day of the week, and I really do love the Nolan's Batman.

Joss finally figured out how to make a big ass movie. I thought the action sequences were perfect. He spent enough time on every character, and I never once felt like any of the Avengers were pushed to the back burner. Going in, I knew this was going to be Robert Downey's flick, but I thought Hulk stole the show. They FINALLY got the movie Hulk right, both in terms of looks and his portrayal. Ruffalo was great and I really hope they give him his own Hulk movie.

Also:
fucking THANOS!

BTW, the X-Men (including Wolverine) are not bigger than the Hulk.

[Mik]

In terms of general cultural awareness perhaps. But in terms of film and comic book box office draw the x-men have absolutely battered the Hulk, particularly over the past decade.

[The Rogerer]

Your Granny knows who the Hulk is but I'd agree that he probably doesn't sell very much. When I was a big comic fan I was never tempted to buy or read a Hulk comic, because what was it going to offer me? His concept is a bit strange in that if he's meant to represent anger he doesn't cause very much collateral or do regrettable things, at least in the films.

[Bert]

The Avengers shattered the previous record — held by Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows — Part 2 — by more than $38 million, an enormous sum. Even with the less rounded figure of $207.4, the magnitude of the action film’s domination had the seismic feel of an industry-changing event that forced everyone to stop and marvel.

But is The Avengers the most impressive record-breaking debut of all time? Yes, obviously, it broke the all-time opening weekend record, so by definition Joss Whedon’s Marvel mash-up is king of the mountain. But how does it compare to previous record-breakers, in terms of dominating its predecessor. For example, Deathly Hallows — Part II‘s opening weekend surpassed The Dark Knight by 6.8 percent. The Dark Knight, in turn, edged Spider-Man III by 4.8 percent. These records seemed like modest and inevitable progression, especially in light of higher ticket prices from 3-D and IMAX screens. But The Avengers‘ huge margin over the Deathly Hallows — Part II amounted to an impressive 22.6 percent increase.


I still need to see it.

[Beefy]

I thought Hulk stole the show. They FINALLY got the movie Hulk right, both in terms of looks and his portrayal. Ruffalo was great and I really hope they give him his own Hulk movie.


I'm sure I read in the papers last week that he's been signed to a six picture deal already.

[Guy]

He has, but he's also the only member of The Avengers who the producers have ummed and arred over in interviews about solo movies.

[The_Mike]

I really was impressed. I went in slightly excited due to the final trailer, but before that I had not been too interested in the Avengers. I liked the idea of an Avengers movie but the initial trailers and what I had read about the story made me feel it was going to be a bit of a shallow schmozz. I definitely did not think Loki made for a suitable villain, he did not seem nearly threatening enough, and his army appearing from space seemed like an overkill attempt to redress the balance. I was also worried it would try far too hard to be cool, that Black Widow would be nothing but a sex toy for the boys to fight over, and it would have the emotional depth of a teaspoon.

In other words I somehow had no idea Whedon was writing the thing. I was very pleasantly surprised.

Loki was such a bastard that Hulk beating the shit out of him really was a great moment, and I'm no big fan of the Hulk.

Everybody had their time to shine and everybody had their sore spots poked at least a little bit. It did not take itself too seriously while carefully avoiding outright cheese. The stakes really were raised and Loki's plan was something that did warrant the Avengers, which had been my primary concern going in. I can't really add much more to what has been said already, but the movie just worked so well. ****. Can't really complain about it at all.

[Chris]

I saw this again last night - it struck me even more this time just how good Ruffalo was as Banner. I'm still not overly convinced of the need for a lot of solo adventures for the Hulk. I like the way he was used in the Avengers, and I thnk I prefer him getting his brief moments to shine than having an entire film devoted to him. I really enjoyed The Incredible Hulk, but it falls down a bit at the end where they have to rely on two characters with occasionally dodgy CGI duking it out. Saying that, the CGI for Hulk in this film was the best yet.

I love the way the score really picks up when Banner joins the fray at the end and hulks out, with all the enemy soldiers having a "Holy......shit" reaction. It really gives a sense that the tide has turned.

Also, you could make a drinking game out of the number of times the word "Play" is used. "What's his play?" "So that's his play?" "The sacrifice play". Etc, etc.

[lotjx]

I saw this again last night - it struck me even more this time just how good Ruffalo was as Banner. I'm still not overly convinced of the need for a lot of solo adventures for the Hulk. I like the way he was used in the Avengers, and I thnk I prefer him getting his brief moments to shine than having an entire film devoted to him. I really enjoyed The Incredible Hulk, but it falls down a bit at the end where they have to rely on two characters with occasionally dodgy CGI duking it out. Saying that, the CGI for Hulk in this film was the best yet.

I love the way the score really picks up when Banner joins the fray at the end and hulks out, with all the enemy soldiers having a "Holy......shit" reaction. It really gives a sense that the tide has turned.

Also, you could make a drinking game out of the number of times the word "Play" is used. "What's his play?" "So that's his play?" "The sacrifice play". Etc, etc.

You could also make any version of sentiment or sentimental as well in that drinking game. I think a Hulk solo movie could be good, but he needs a Rick Jones to play off of or maybe someone like Dr. Strange or Namor. A lesser known hero who could go toe to toe with him if need be. I still would like to see Hulk vs. Wolverine.

[Atty]

I saw this again last night - it struck me even more this time just how good Ruffalo was as Banner. I'm still not overly convinced of the need for a lot of solo adventures for the Hulk. I like the way he was used in the Avengers, and I thnk I prefer him getting his brief moments to shine than having an entire film devoted to him. I really enjoyed The Incredible Hulk, but it falls down a bit at the end where they have to rely on two characters with occasionally dodgy CGI duking it out. Saying that, the CGI for Hulk in this film was the best yet.

I love the way the score really picks up when Banner joins the fray at the end and hulks out, with all the enemy soldiers having a "Holy......shit" reaction. It really gives a sense that the tide has turned.

Also, you could make a drinking game out of the number of times the word "Play" is used. "What's his play?" "So that's his play?" "The sacrifice play". Etc, etc.

:yes:

When Iron Man 2 was announced, I kept telling friends that I wanted Hulk to be the final "villain". Not in the full on evil way, but have Banner in it, he works with Stark solves something and sets up Avengers, then something makes him angry and the finale is Stark having to get suited up for "Iron Man vs. Hulk."

Hulk is a very natural character to put in a series of movies. Doesn't have to even be "Hulk", but having Banner somewhere can play to his arc very nicely.

[son_of_foley]

Hulk vs could get a couple of decent films. Hulk vs Wolverine would be interesting.

Hulk vs MONSTER ISLAND is what I want.

[The Rogerer]

:yes:

When Iron Man 2 was announced, I kept telling friends that I wanted Hulk to be the final "villain". Not in the full on evil way, but have Banner in it, he works with Stark solves something and sets up Avengers, then something makes him angry and the finale is Stark having to get suited up for "Iron Man vs. Hulk."

Hulk is a very natural character to put in a series of movies. Doesn't have to even be "Hulk", but having Banner somewhere can play to his arc very nicely.Banner would have been a handy man to have around when you were creating a new element.

[Jimmy Zero]

In terms of general cultural awareness perhaps. But in terms of film and comic book box office draw the x-men have absolutely battered the Hulk, particularly over the past decade.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that because the X-Men films have made more money than either Hulk movie, that the X-Men, as a group, are more popular than the Hulk. It could have to do with the fact that, in terms of quality, the Hulk movies just haven't been very good.

I have a hard time thinking a Wolvie vs. Hulk movie would be any good. The Wolverine in the movies is a bit of a weak pussy compared to comics Wolvie (don't get me wrong, I think Hugh Jackman has done a fantastic job portraying him), and they really haven't shown that he'd be remotely capable of going toe to toe with Hulk. I mean, in the first X-Men he loses consciousness when getting shot in the head by a standard police issue side arm, and Sabretooth (who's no Hulk) spends a good majority of their fights beating the utter shit out of him. The only time I feel like the movies have truly captured the deadly psychotic raging little man of the Wolverine from the comics was when he went off on the special forces guys who were invading the mansion in X2. Otherwise, through 4 movies, Wolverine has been a very watered down version of Wolverine in the comics.

Besides, I'd much rather see a Wolvie vs. Japan movie.

[Guy]

Incredible Hulk was fine. Nowhere near the level of the first two X-Men movies, but fine.

Hulk Smashed...which is more than he managed in the Ang Lee movie.

His next movie would just need a purpose. There would need to be a reason for Hulk, unlike past attempts where he's chased, then gets angry when caught, smashes, repeat.

It'd be good to see him take on The Leader as set up from the previous movie. Especially with him being the guy who had successfully stopped an individual "Hulk out" moment. Perhaps he's done further research and could be the guy who stops Banner Hulking Out altogether, or maybe separates Hulk and Banner. Eventually leading to Hulk/Banner realising they need their combined strength and intelligence to beat him, possibly leading to the Banner-intelligence Hulk that we eventually got in the comics.

Either that or lob him into space to fight aliens on a gladiatorial planet..

[Guy]

Hulk vs could get a couple of decent films. Hulk vs Wolverine would be interesting.

Hulk vs MONSTER ISLAND is what I want.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Yc8xePgfQ

[Mik]

But that doesn't necessarily mean that because the X-Men films have made more money than either Hulk movie, that the X-Men, as a group, are more popular than the Hulk. It could have to do with the fact that, in terms of quality, the Hulk movies just haven't been very good.


The X-Men comic books have sold significantly greater than the Hulk ones in the last ten years too. When it comes to paying audiences, X-Men is more popular than Hulk.

[Guy]

Not more popular than the combined sales of Hulk and The Avengers (starring Hulk) however.

[Mik]

Thats not exactly the same thing.

[Guy]

The X-Men aren't split between a number of comics like Iron Man, Thor, Cap and Hulk are.

If you want to read a Cyclops story then you have to pick up X-Men, if you want to read a Rogue story then you have to pick up X-Men, if you want to read a Storm story, a Gambit story, a Magneto story, a Nightcrawler story, etc, etc, you have to pick up X-Men.

All of those individual Avengers characters are in a couple of series of books primarily about them separately. Cap has to hold a number of books by himself, as does Thor, as does Hulk, as does Iron Man. They're also split by sharing the multiple Avengers books (which obviously sells a boatload). So you can't really take the numbers of the X-Men, and then claim that that instantly makes them more popular than the individuals of The Avengers. You have to take the individual books of the Avengers AND merge them with the team Avengers books themselves in order to match the overall sales of say Iron Man appearances over the appearances of individual X-Men.

Other than Wolverine, no character from The X-Men has really been able to hold their own individual title, as well as share other titles. The X-Men numbers are the combined selling figures of about fifty different characters all crammed into one series of books whereas the Hulk, Cap, Iron Man and Thor selling figures are of ONE character each, spread/shared across a number of titles (one of which is The Avengers, holding it's own perfectly fine against the X-Men sales). It's a bit unfair to say that one well spread individual character "isn't as popular" as fifty different individual characters crammed into one book. As I say, on a cultural level, most people couldn't even tell you who half the X-Men are anyway.

[The_Mike]

It's not an issue of fairness, surely it's an issue of accuracy?

[Guy]

Well either way The Avengers comics sells more the the X-Men comics, so that's still Avengers being above or equal to X-Men.

[Bert]

All of the X-Men? Aren't there like 6 variations?

[Guy]

There's as many variations as there are Avengers.

New Avengers
Dark Avengers
Secret Avengers
Avengers: Origins
Avengers Assemble
Avengers Academy
....The Avengers

[Droid]

Me and my woman went and saw The Avengers yesterday as part of the many things we did for our anniversary. It was written very well. Had very good storyline continuity. They all had there chance to shine. The action was done really good. I don't thing there was anything negative I could say about the movie. This movie and The Dark Knight are my two favorite comic book movies i've seen so far. I can't wait for The Dark Knight Rises to come out. Does anyone know how much this movie has made so far? The last I heard it was at 207 million and climbing.

[lotjx]

Last I heard on Monday was 700 million, I figure it will hit 1 billion by the end of the weekend or before it.

[Mark Hammer]

Just saw this tonight. Meh.

[LOCONUT]

I liked it. Thought it had some genuinely funny moments and I liked Thor, CA, and Loki a LOT more than I did in their first movies. Ruffalo was the best Bruce Banner since Bill Bixby.

Sure, there were some plot holes and some minor annoyances(overkill on the final battle scene, Hulk mysteriously able to control himself, etc.), but the film delivered about exactly what I was expecting from it. It was fun.

[LOCONUT]

Also dudes, I am not a comic book nerd. Who is the guy in the credits who appears to be the next villain?

[Guy]

I liked it. Thought it had some genuinely funny moments and I liked Thor, CA, and Loki a LOT more than I did in their first movies. Ruffalo was the best Bruce Banner since Bill Bixby.

Sure, there were some plot holes and some minor annoyances(overkill on the final battle scene, Hulk mysteriously able to control himself, etc.), but the film delivered about exactly what I was expecting from it. It was fun.

I think Hulk doesn't learn to control himself, so much as he destroys whatever it is that makes him angry.

In his own film it's the army usually, and The Abomination. He takes the time to save Betty a whole bunch of times because Banner likes Betty and she cares for him. In The Avengers he tried to murder Black Widow when SHIELD turns out to have betrayed everyone, and then Thor when Thor hits him in the face with a hammer. Afterward he points his anger at the aliens (as well as still some lingering issues over Thor obviously), and takes the time to save Iron Man as, like Betty, he was the only one of the group to really believe in Banner and give him the time of day.


Also dudes, I am not a comic book nerd. Who is the guy in the credits who appears to be the next villain?

http://marvel.com/universe/Thanos

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/14054/499632-thanos.jpg

[Alf]

Bloody loved hulk in this.

"That's the thing... I'm always angry..." BANG

The Loki bit was incredible too. I was in with a fairly sedate crowd and people actually clappped (Mik) and cheered that bit.

[LOCONUT]

I imagine that going to a film with Mik feels ultra professional.

[Zyphlin]

Loki was great in this. The characters meshed well. While Stark took the lead a bit when things were calm, Cap came through as the clear and unquestionable field leader and moral compass throughout. Never would've guessed The Hulk would've been the focal point for the majority of the best comedy in the movie. I've not laughed so hard at a scene in ages as I did with Hulk stopping Loki's little rant by acting like a 3 year old having a temper tantrum with a stuffed animal. Just wonderful. Also the sucker punch on Thor. The action for the last bit of the movie was just wonderful and some of the best work at allowing super heroes to be all using their super powers together in one giant fight scene that I've seen. Really enjoyed it.

Also liked Stark confirming that he's a Diva

[Tramp]

Tony flying a missile through a war zone, knowing that he's about to blow himself to kingdom come, yet still choosing to call Pepper was such an awesome moment for his character. Powerful scene, even though it lasts for a moment.

[Mik]

I liked it. Thought it had some genuinely funny moments and I liked Thor, CA, and Loki a LOT more than I did in their first movies. Ruffalo was the best Bruce Banner since Bill Bixby.

Sure, there were some plot holes and some minor annoyances(overkill on the final battle scene, Hulk mysteriously able to control himself, etc.), but the film delivered about exactly what I was expecting from it. It was fun.


I explained your plot hole buddy.



Movie has passed $1b worldwide already. I'll be contributing to it again with another visit on Wednesday. Impressive stuff.

[Fro]

Just saw this. Haven't seen any of the lead up movies other than Iron Man 1 and 2 but it didn't matter too much, I still loved it. Great popcorn fun, exactly what it should be. I've never read any of the comic books but I was still marking out like crazy when they all came together for the final battle.

I like the dichotomy in comic book movies between Marvel and Nolan's styles (granted I haven't seen MOS so just talking about TDK trilogy). Both are really enjoyable in different ways, and if they all used the same style it'd probably be too much of the same.

[lotjx]

So, the Avengers 2 villain is Ultron

[Mills]

Makes sense, he's considered "the" avengers villain in the comics

[mr sabu]

so will they bring ultron in in the antman movie

[Jimmy Zero]

I would assume yes. Where else would they bring him in?

[TimeSplitter]

Well, Ant-Man is slated to be released AFTER Avengers 2...

[Jimmy Zero]

Really?

It seems like they've been talking about making that movie for like 3 years now.

[lotjx]

The special effects preview was done at Comic Con last year, but that was just test footage stuff. If Ant-Man is after Avengers 2 then maybe we get Vision in Ant-Man. With all the Guardian of the Galaxy characters being related to Thanos, I am not sure what they are trying to accomplish with Ultron when there really seems to be no set-up movie for it.

[Fanny]

Maybe A2 is the setup for him, they create it to help them against Thanos or something, leading to it going horribly wrong in A3?

[mr sabu]

so who would they use to set it up then
kang, korvac anyone else

[Kev]

Reading CBR they mention that Ultron doesn't necessarily have to be built by Pym in the movies, so it's not a given that he'll be in it. Bit shattered really, always liked Pym...

[Kev]

Err, here's the link: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46818

[mr sabu]

poor ant-man... you where one of the founding avengers and now your creation isn't even yours

[lotjx]

Tony or SHIELD is going to make him. Pym gets to make Vision, maybe. I hate Ant-Man, so one less reason to see the film. Makes no sense not to do Thanos though.

[Alf]

So they are going to try and eek out Thanos for the third one?

[Jimmy Zero]

Thanos is the bad guy in Guardians of the Galaxy.

Doesn't mean he won't make another appearance in an Avengers movie, I guess.

[Atty]

Are they still doing an Ant-Man movie? If so, I'd vote for where Ultron comes from not to be explained until then. Or have Pym as some scientist post-Iron Man Tony is working with, they create something bad, Tony has to come back and Pym later becomes Ant-Man for the same reason. Gives Pym a cameo and sets him up.

[Chris]

So they are going to try and eek out Thanos for the third one?


While most of the post-Comic-Con talk has revolved around the announcement of Ultron in The Avengers 2, Marvel’s other super-villain, Thanos, has slightly gone under the radar.

However, Kevin Feige conducted a quick interview with IGN after Marvel’s Hall H panel, and confirmed that Thanos would be appearing in Guardians Of The Galaxy.

“I think somebody on the Guardians panel let loose that Thanos is a part of the movie, which he is,” revealed Feige. “Thanos plays a part in Guardians, as the mastermind.”

“He very much exists on nearly another plane from any of the other characters,” continued Feige, “and we have big plans for him over a long long time.”

Perhaps a slow-build until he is confirmed as the villain of The Avengers 3? We're already looking forward to Comic-Con 2014!

Directed by James Gunn and co-starring Chris Pratt, Benicio del Toro and Glenn Close, Guardians Of The Galaxy will open in the UK on 1 August 2014.

I'm guessing he'll be the Big Bad for Avengers 3, but will be pulling some strings along the way. He'll be in Guardians of the Galaxy and I'm sure he could pop up in a third Thor film as well. It's a shame that Silver Surfer isn't available for Marvel to use.

[MikeHunt]

Can they not acquire the right back pretty soon for silver surfer? I assume that it's the same deal with fantastic four?

[Miotch]

I think all rights reverted to Marvel/Disney not that long ago, actually.

edit: Nope, it appears that FOX is rebooting the franchise (F4) in a 2015 release.

[Cewsh]

Are they still doing an Ant-Man movie? If so, I'd vote for where Ultron comes from not to be explained until then. Or have Pym as some scientist post-Iron Man Tony is working with, they create something bad, Tony has to come back and Pym later becomes Ant-Man for the same reason. Gives Pym a cameo and sets him up.

I don't think they're actually doing Ant Man. Really, I think you could very easily just insert movie version Tony Stark into the origin story for Ultron without losing anything.

[Jacknife]

Why did this movie make so much money? It wasn't that good in my opinion. Thor was the only thing I liked about it.

[Mills]

Ant man is scheduled to come out about 6 months after Avengers 2

[Cewsh]

Why did this movie make so much money? It wasn't that good in my opinion. Thor was the only thing I liked about it.

Alright.


Ant man is scheduled to come out about 6 months after Avengers 2

There's me sorted. :yes:

[Miotch]

First film of 'Phase 3' I believe.

[Pablo Diablo]

Written by Edgar Wright too.

[Atty]

I don't think they're actually doing Ant Man. Really, I think you could very easily just insert movie version Tony Stark into the origin story for Ultron without losing anything.

Tony Stark making Ultron would give him a very good reason to un-ending-of-Iron-Man-3 himself.

Plus, it would be Marvel doing something to piss Blood off, so it would make me happy.

[son_of_foley]

Written by Edgar Wright too.

And Joe Cornish of "Adam and Joe" show fame I think. He was involved with Tintin and I think Attack the Block was solely his.

[The Rogerer]

Why did this movie make so much money? It wasn't that good in my opinion. Thor was the only thing I liked about it.They devoted several years and other films to promoting it and got one of the most popular pop writers in? And people who watched it tended to enjoy it?

[Mik]

Yeah, it was a decent film, had huge audience saturation, a massive in-built audience that was tailor made for repeated business, a gigantic release, big a-list stars, big special effects sequences, a favourable release date, a ridiculous advertising campaign and had an effectively unparalleled build up whereby there was something like 6 or 7 films all working towards this release.

[Jacknife]

If this is what people like these days, there is absolutely no hope for the future. Film hasn't been good since the early 90s.

[Jimmy Zero]

Oh shut up. Don't be ridiculous.

[Fanny]

what was wrong with the film in terms of script, dialogue, story, effects, characterisation etc. Jacknife and highlight some of these early 90s films that you're holding it up against so we know where you're coming form please thx

[The Rogerer]

I didn't watch Avengers myself because it was almost too much. I would have killed for a film like that in the 90s, but by the end of Iron Man 2 I was a little sick of the gimmick, Captain America was good but I'd had my fill by the end, etc, and the whole thing started to feel like a product. I'm sure if I actually watched it, I'd probably enjoy it. I also personally really don't like what I've ever seen of Whedon. But even as tired and cynical as I am, I don't know why I'd ask how it made money or why people like it. Sounds like someone trying to start a fight. Terminator 2 isn't as good as you think it is.

[virms]

what was wrong with the film in terms of script, dialogue, story, effects, characterisation etc. Jacknife and highlight some of these early 90s films that you're holding it up against so we know where you're coming form please thx

What a big man you are fanny. You know damn well that he doesn't have any posts left.

[Alf]

I couldn't find an Age of Ultron thread... althought I'm pretty sure there is one.

Anyway:

Teaser trailer was leaked and then officially released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do&feature=youtu.be

Looks good.

I loved Marvel tweeting "Dammit, Hydra." after the leak. Classy social mediaring.

[Mik]

Surely this needs a thread of its own Alf?

[Alf]

Nah, all the Star wars ones were wrapped up in one.

If only there was a MOD around to re-name the thread to Avengers Movies or sommink.

[Atty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGwuoYKhqx8

[Zyphlin]

Absolutely LOVE the change on the face of Thor when Cap just barely makes Mjolnir rock.

[Atty]

I kind of love how Thor looks like Seth Rollins.

[Bill Casey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk24PuBUUkQ
Trailer 2...
The haunting background music sounds familiar...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oe9vQzSKk4

[Alf]

WOW GOOD SPOT BILLLLLLLL

[Mik]

Really? I thought that the lyrics and the dialogue from Ultron made that pretty sledgehammer.

But then I'm a big Pinocchio fan.

[Alf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WM915QsOyI

The new TV spot is absolutely full of sexy action set peices.

I like Quicksilver's accent and attitude.

[Mr_Nobody]

Agreed. To me, this was the best trailer that I've seen so far. Lots of action, some humor, and some drama...pretty much exactly what I expect out of The Avengers movie.

I like how they are continuing to sow the seeds of discord between Iron Man and Captain America. And I like Quicksilver's attitude as well. In the comics, he was always kind of a douchebag and full of himself, and it looks like that's the Quicksilver that's showing up in this movie.

I do like Hawkeye's quip as well about being an Avenger. I really hope that the Scarlet Witch shot happens right after that is what actually happens after the scene, because it could be a great moment in the movie when Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver switch sides.

[Alf]

Yep, I think that must be it. They turn and save the day.

I wish they'd kept them as baddies in the marketing. Now there is zero surprise when they switch.

[Mr_Nobody]

Actually, it might be more of a surprise to people that they are bad guys.

Then again, we might be thinking about things completely different. They might start out as good guys and then do the heel turn and join Ultron at a critical moment, which could be a cool thing...only to discover that they set Ultron up, and make another turn at the end.

[Alf]

Vision is going to save the day. He's such a badass.

[mth]

Can't wait for Vision. Love Vision.

[VHS]

There's a lot to be excited about, and I can't wait to see vision in full action.

Aaron Taylor's accent though... ehh. Not a big deal, but he's never been anything special in my book. I'm sure he'll be fine though.

[Alf]

Anyone seen it yet?

I bloody loved it.

I wish they'd gone a touch less plasticy looking on Vision, maybe a little less colourful, and I wish they'd blanked his eyes, him having real eyes was weird. He conveyed enough emotion with his eyebrows I thought. and I wished they showcased his mass powers a bit better. THAT scene with Vision was fucking amazing though. The whole audience gasped.

Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver were fantastic but I wish they'd been given a bit more to do.

Ultron was great, but as usual ended up being a bit of an afterthought when things picked up.

Etc etc... I really liked it.

[Dream-Evil]

Already been twice. THAT scene with Vision, same with the audience here, gasps. It was actually really funny too. Ultron had some great lines. Loved Hulkbuster/Hulk rumble.

[Clive Plasma]

Just got back from the IMAX, I think it's the best one they have done to date.

So many simultaneous storylines all tied in perfectly without overkill, this film felt like it had a believable depth that the others lack.

Most of them recently have fallen into the trap of just going hell for leather on the CGI and explosions in the final third, and while it is kind of the case here, it didn't feel out of place - everything that happened seemed to make sense.

Excellent one liners, the little slices of comedy, along with every other line, uttered with complete convincing smugness had me cracking up.

I find it difficult to detach myself from reality when watching these films and laugh at them a lot. This was no different, I had a lot of fun with it, and really want to see it again.

[Zyphlin]

"I'm sorry" may've been my favorite comedy line of the entire movie. The expression on his face was just perfect.

[Chris]

Just back from it. It was excellent - maybe Marvel's best film to date.

The action was great, and the way it weaved in the character beats, the humour and the focus on saving civilians was really well done. The final act is becoming a big area of criticism with recent Marvel films, but I think it would be simplistic to see this as more of the same. Joss has learned how to make everything flow better than the finale of the first film, despite having even more characters to juggle. Natasha's relationship with Banner, and the bigger focus on Hawkeye this time around, gave the film a nice emotional underpinning. Having all the characters bickering in the lab was one of the best scenes from the first film, and it's so enjoyable to see them as one big dysfunctional family this time around.

There's too much dialogue to even remember on a first watch, but I saw it with a big crowd and we were cracking up all the way through. Everyone gets a moment to shine. I'm slightly worried about how the Infinity War films can maintain the kind of balance that Joss brings to it. I'm not saying he's the only one who can give voice to these characters, but he has set the bar very high. This is a proper blockbuster sequel, with more complex themes and characters and a better grip on the action set-pieces. Though I'm hoping Civil War allows the Russos and their writers to dip their toe in the water with a bigger cast of characters to manage, before taking on the entire ensemble in a few years time. Still, it's a tall order when your next films involve bringing Spidey into the MCU, going full intergalactic with Thanos and crafting a story that works as two films instead of one.


"I'm sorry" may've been my favorite comedy line of the entire movie. The expression on his face was just perfect.
Yep I loved that. Also enjoyed the frantic "Go to sleep. Go to sleep. Go to sleep" accompanied by the rapid-fire punching.

[Dream-Evil]

"I'm sorry" may've been my favorite comedy line of the entire movie. The expression on his face was just perfect.

I quite liked Hawkeye's "No one would know.." during the battle at the end, and Ultron's "I can't actually throw up in my mouth.."

[Clive Plasma]

I quite liked Hawkeye's "No one would know.." during the battle at the end, and Ultron's "I can't actually throw up in my mouth.."

It was full of great quotes.

My favourite comedic moments were all surrounding Thors Hammer; both when Captain America tried to lift it and the moment later in the film, where they held the silence for ages.

[MikeHunt]

The first action sequence was just brilliant. I was just sitting there smiling for 20 mins just thinking about how that was the only way to announce their return. Fucking great. Nice to have a fleshed out Hawkeye character, quicksilvers presentation was better than xmens, fun plot, great action, well over the top, great humour, not much more anyone could ask from a film of this nature! 5/5

[Slare]

Thoroughly enjoyed. I fucking love James Spaders voice. Robert California trying to destroy the planet.

[Slare]

Can you spoiler me what THAT scene with the vision i you're talking about. Its annoying me that I cant think of it, but I've watched AOU, Thor, Iron Man 2 and 3, Incredibe Hulk and Captain America over the weekend so my head is warped.

[Dream-Evil]

Can you spoiler me what THAT scene with the vision i you're talking about. Its annoying me that I cant think of it, but I've watched AOU, Thor, Iron Man 2 and 3, Incredibe Hulk and Captain America over the weekend so my head is warped.

Vision picking up/handing Mjolnir to Thor

[Clive Plasma]

My review; http://movieblort.com/2015/04/27/avengers-age-of-ultron/

[Donald]

I have no desire in seeing this film, however I am very interested in the box office performance, as I am with any film. I think this will break the US opening weekend record, and has a shot of coming in between Titanic and Avatar to separate James Cameron.

[Slare]

Vision picking up/handing Mjolnir to Thor

Hahah aw ok, yeah that was great.

[Zyphlin]

Yep I loved that. Also enjoyed the frantic "Go to sleep. Go to sleep. Go to sleep" accompanied by the rapid-fire punching.

That whole sequence had some good bits...

On top of the "I'm sorry" and "Go to sleep", I also enjoyed "Right, don't mention puny banner" as well as the wonderful "Dick Move Banner" after the attack from behind. Was just a fun, fun scene

[mr sabu]

i didn't enjoy this as much as i hoped.. it was ghood though

spader was great as ultron

[virms]

i didn't enjoy this as much as i hoped.. it was ghood though

spader was great as ultron

Pretty much my thoughts. definitely no where near as good as the first one. Lots of good in this movie (will post more thoughts later) but it just wasn't as good as the first nor did it he the feel of the latest movies

[Eddie Brock]

Enjoyable stuff, but Captain America 2 was a more solid flick IMO.

[virms]

Wish I would have watched agents of the sheild first. Led right Into this