Homeland

[Bert]

http://imgur.com/SI9NY.jpg
Description:
Centers on Marine Sergeant Nicholas Brody, who returns home eight years after going missing in Iraq, and Carrie Anderson, a driven (and possibly unstable) CIA officer who suspects he might be plotting an attack on America.

Trailer:

Homeland - Homeland Extended Trailer - YouTube

The pilot aired last night. It was great. I just hope the show can keep it up but from the looks of it, it can.

I loved Mandy Patinkin on Dead Like Me and Criminal Minds so it was great to see him again.

Easily the best new Drama this year.

Here's links for Episode 1 because I want people to watch this show.
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3OMQSTXA
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/5aVUbxz/Homeland.S01E01.720p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE.mkv

[MikeHunt]

bert could you continue linking the episodes of this show to me. don't know when its coming to the uk and it looks awesome.

[Bert]

Yeah, sure.

If you watched episode 1 already what's your opinion on Brody?

There's a website that gave a review and was like well maybe he's not a bad guy.

I was a bit :wtf: at that. He definitely seems like a bad guy to me.

Here's a preview that aired after episode 1 previewing the rest of the Season but don't watch it til you finish episode 1.
Homeland 1x02 Grace Promo / Season 1 Trailer (HD)

Fuck this shit! :lol:

[MikeHunt]

i'll watch it in the morning.

[Bert]

episode 2:
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TBCT54I4
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/55JY9aJ/Homeland.S01E02.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION.mkv

Really good episode I thought. I had no clue what he was buying at the hardware store but I probably would have figured it out if it wasn't 3AM right now.

[MikeHunt]

cheers bert going to watch this in a bit totally forgot to watch the first one.

[MikeHunt]

just watched that clip. fuck me this looks amazing. great first episode too.

[The Doc]

It's too creepy. I served with Marine named Nicholas Broady. Granted he wasn't a POW with a hot wife and he never made Sergeant but still it feels weird.

[MikeHunt]

quite alot of tits for an american non hbo show.

[Bert]

HBO and Showtime both show tits.

[MikeHunt]

how are you enjoying this so far bert. im well impressed its no SOA or Breaking Bad, (YET) but so far so good.

[Bert]

Best new drama of the season easily. Which probably isn't saying much when the only competition is Terra Nova I think.

[Bert]

Good episode. Was pretty predictable though.

episode 3:
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9F6PDS27
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/BGmRvq6/Homeland.S01E03.720p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE.mkv

[Hero!]

FINALLY watched episode 1. I must admit, the plot is out there, but so fascinating in its originality. I DLed 2 & 3 (thanks Bert) and will be firing them up later.

[BBF]

Looks really promising from the first episode. Looking forward to watching the rest.

[MikeHunt]

i have limited access at the moment to the internet. just downloaded ep3 can't wait.

[Bert]

Episode 4:
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TRCE4ZRN
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/PabUvgF/Homeland.S01E04.720p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE.mkv

http://www.tv.com/news/homeland-renewed-for-season-2-27015/?tag=hotspot;gumball;1



What's the best new series of the 2011 fall season? Whitney? Hart of Dixie? Unforgettable? No, no, and no. It's Showtime's Homeland. And unlike those other shows, it's definitely coming back for Season 2.

Showtime officially picked up the thriller for a second, 12-episode season today, after Sunday's episode hit a series high. Homeland started off as the premium network's most-watched new drama series, with 4.4 million viewers across various platforms (the pilot episode was distributed online for free).

[Hero!]

I'm really liking this show. The wife's kinda hot, but something about her has weirded me out and I finally figured it out. She totally looks like Hiro Mizushima:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_x-hJ29GHzss/TBHR02G-ZcI/AAAAAAAAB7A/xDVyTqcXtMs/s1600/b4c2dab928bd80_full.jpg

[Bert]

Episode 5:
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HBKRF2I0
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/EVMwyfU/Homeland.S01E05.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION.mkv


She doesn't look like him anymore, Hero. And I bet you casually listen to the music they used to torture that guy. :lol:

[Hero!]

Gaahaha, when it started playing, I was like, "fuck yeah! :headbang:"

[Bert]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/11/01/more-people-coming-to-showtimes-homeland/?


Just what Showtime hoped for — more viewers are discovering Homeland. The conspiracy drama starring Claire Danes drew its biggest audience yet on Sunday, up 18 percent versus its premiere. The show averaged 1.8 million viewers at 10 p.m.

:yes:

[Morrison]

really glad to hear it. i truly am excited to see what they're going to do and how they're going to weave around the plot. i actually hope they don't have too many seasons of this, since i have a feeling it could lose focus really easily, and therefore suffer as an overall show.

[MikeHunt]

yup two series is enough. wrap it up with him as president.

[Bert]

Episode 6:
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G22TY7UN
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/4nC64c2/Homeland.S01E06.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION.mkv

[Hero!]

OOOOOOO, the plot is getting mighty thick now.

[Bert]

The scenes for next week look crazy.

[Bert]

More people need to watch this show. It's so good.

episode 7:
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=67CIBE49
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/5jzXTyk/Homeland.S01E07.720p.HDTV.x264-AVS.mkv

episode 8:
XVID:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LD0BDKY8
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/dRz7eh4/Homeland.S01E08.720p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE.mkv

[Bert]

For people who don't like downloading, here's some streaming links.

Episode 1:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/EEB239BC71643731
Episode 2:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/8114369096B657A9
Episode 3:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/3CCB0B11153D152A
Episode 4:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/B4D8952DC866AC85
Episode 5:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/F5B7685224D17950
Episode 6:
http://videozer.com/video/flhyTE
Episode 7:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/42C46A54796BF48E
Episode 8:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/21EF7B07DF71F864

[hithit]

thank you bert, im gonna try and check out one of the streaming links now.

[Hero!]

omg, DAT ENDING.

I fucking love this show.

[Vice]

This show is great. Loving it.

[Morrison]

just watched the latest episode. absolutely brilliant show, this is.

[Bert]

Yeah, it's so good.

I did not see that coming and I really have no idea what's going to happen next, that's so rare for television these days.

[hithit]

im only 3 episodes in and im loving it. thanks again for those links bert. you're the man.

[Hero!]

I definitely owe Bert for nagging me into watching this. Easily my favorite show right now and a pleasant alternative to Dexter, which seems to be going downhill.

[hithit]

these stream links were great up until episode 5. now i can't watch them due to them freezing every 5-10 seconds.
its a good show, i will have to try and watch it some other way.

[Bert]

these stream links were great up until episode 5. now i can't watch them due to them freezing every 5-10 seconds.
its a good show, i will have to try and watch it some other way.

Have you tried pausing it and letting it buffer like you would a youtube video?

If I had to guess why that's happening, that would be it.

episode 9:
xvid:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z16MTM5M
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/jaYv3fv/Homeland.S01E09.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION.mkv
streaming:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/7365733C7AB328CD

[Bert]

episode 10:
xvid:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6OYYK8Y0
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/YcCUFyY/Homeland.S01E10.REPACK.720p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE.mkv
streaming:
http://www.putlocker.com/file/9023FBBAB5B01D37

I SUCK COCK AND I LOVE IT, YUMMY YUMMY YUMMY YUMMY.

:spit:

[Bert]

Hooooooooooooly Shit.

If this show doesn't win some awards there's something wrong.

episode 11:
xvid:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O0KMUYRW
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/uU5fpRx/Homeland.S01E11.720p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE.mkv
streaming:
http://www.vidxden.com/w0wkmzhx4pi6/Homeland.S01E11.720p.HDTV.x264-IMMERSE-ultra-vid.com.mp4.html

[Bert]

Homeland 1x12 - Season Finale Promo (HD)

[Hero!]

Brody is a fucking genius. I can't wait for the finale (90 MINUTES, YESS!!~)

[Morrison]

brilliant, brilliant twelve episodes of television, and an absolutely amazing finale, perfectly setting up season two. couldn't have asked for more out of it, and hopefully wraps up the golden globes for best drama, actress and actor. even as much as i love bryan cranston, but damnian lewis was phenomenal...

that scene in the bunker, when his daughter calls him, was an insane piece of work.

fantastic journey, and i can't wait for next season.

[Hero!]

What a brilliant way to set up for season 2. Damn great show.

[Bert]

DO NOT CLICK THE SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE SEASON FINALE
What were some of the changes and detours you just mentioned?

We didn't really know how the attack was going to be perpetrated against the vice president and his team. We hadn't really decided on a suicide vest until late in the season. The actual target of the attack, that is, the Vice President and the team of people who were responsible for the drone strike, was an idea crystallized midway through the year rather than be just one person. Originally it was going to be just the Vice President or the President or head of the CIA. So that was another one. And we weren't exactly sure at what point Carrie was going to have her manic breakdown. We kept pushing it off over the course of the season. Ultimately where we got to at the last two episodes was right, because it was just at the moment where she was most correct about what was going to happen, she was most discredited personally. That seemed like a good confluence of narrative events at the end of the season.

I think we live in a society where people feel a build up and have an idea of what they want. And some people did want Brody to go through with it. I don't know how that would work for the series as a whole, but it seems people want the instant gratification.

That is what was so great about the suicide vest for us. What we tried to do was put the audience in the position of, not sympathizing necessarily, but certainly understanding and at some level having some affection for this man, Brody. To have these crazy feelings about some guy who is going to commit an act of war. We never really considered what Brody was doing was an act of terrorism. This was an act of war in retaliation for some huge injustice that he saw overseas. He's a soldier who is committing an act of war. By putting him in that vest and putting him in that bunker and actually having him flip the switch felt to us like a dramatically satisfying, though maddening, moment, clearly. We felt we were being true to the character. He didn't chicken out. Something didn't happen there that would discount how we built his character up to this moment. So the fact that gets to this point, actually flips the switch and the vest malfunctions, felt to us like a very profound and ingenious way of having it both ways. And then he goes into the stall, tries to fix the vest, comes out determining to do it a second time, and this is the moment at which the relationship that we've been carefully building with his daughter all season long actually comes to the fore. And the one thing Nazir could not predict is how Brody would be emotionally connected to the people from his old life and his past. And that's the one thing Nazir could never plan for. And that's the one thing that came to save Brody, love. Love for his daughter. It felt to us like it felt emotionally true in the context of the characters that we built all season. The one thing we tried to do all season long was always have people behave in believable ways according to who they were as people. If there's one thing we're sanguine about with the finale, it's that we feel that everybody acted in comprehensible ways determined by who they were character-wise. You know, that Heraclitus as a man's character was a saint, and everybody's fate was determined by who they were as people in the finale. For us, it was satisfying on that level. It may not have been instantly gratifying to people. We also thought there's more of the Brody-Carrie story to tell, and to end it would be premature. There's a love story still to be played out between these two people.

Actually I want to talk a bit more about that. How does the ending set up Season 2? Do you have a clear picture of where you are going to go next?

I think we have a clear picture, but it's a pencil drawing right now. That is going to be the heart of the story, these two people. As it was in the first season. It's going to be played out on a different stage. These are two people who have recognized each other and recognized something IN each other that's very compelling to both of them. We're not going to be able to keep them apart.

Wow. Given everything that's happened between each them--accusations, backstabs, letdowns--you're definitely going back to the love story?

For us, sitting in the writers' room, the love story is the most profound and interesting part of this whole thing. Even at the end of the finale when Brody had to banish Carrie from his life, there was a sense that he was sending away the only other person in the world who really knows him and who he is, and that's tragic for him.

What I love about Carrie is that, from an audience's perspective, she's simultaneously a super-genius and, because of her illness, she's also a sort of unreliable narrator. And what we knew about Brody early on, we only knew it because Carrie told us or we observed Brody, rather than have Brody tell us. Can you discuss your intentions with the idea of perspective, and how you delivered information to the audience throughout the season?

It's so amazing to hear people like you talk about this, because that was exactly our intention. If you look at the first set of episodes this year, what we really tried to do was make Brody as ambiguous as we could. The audience was watching him through Carrie's eyes and looking for clues as to whether or not he'd been turned in captivity. It was all about that for the first five or six episodes. Then once we revealed that he had been turned in captivity by this event with Nazir's son, the question morphed into, "Now that we know he's been turned, will he or will he not carry out what he's agreed to do?" That actually became a much more interesting question than the binary one of "Was he or wasn't he turned?" Then the question became, he's reconnecting with his family, he's actually connecting with this woman Carrie Matheson, the idea of love or connection with human beings, is that going to prevent him from going through with this attack? And again we were looking for clues to see whether that would happen. How would his religion, his new conversion to Islam, how would that influence his decision to go through with this mass murder, this act of war? So it all became about perspective, it all became about us watching this man wondering whether or not he would go through with what he's agreed to do. Carrying over to next season, we have a very similar circumstance. Brody had to convince Nazir that the vest malfunctioning was actually the truth. Nazir doesn't know. Maybe Brody did chicken out [in Nazir's mind]. Nazir is also trying to put this together. So Brody had to pitch Nazir on Plan B. It's the long game, I'm going to insinuate myself into a position of power and influence and change the system from within. But then the question becomes, is he just trying to save his ass? Is he trying to prevent Nazir from putting the screws on his family? There's the videotape out there. All these questions are going to come to the fore in Season 2. How serious is Brody about his mission?

If there's one problem I had with Season 1, it was Brody's reason for turning. Can you talk about how that one instance--the drone strike--made him turn against his country and family, as well as forget about the events of September 11?

It's funny. I remember reading some of the blogs and people's comments about the series up to that episode (Episode 9, "Crossfire"). There was always the concern, "Oh we're never going to know. It's going to be like The Killing where we're never going to find out why Brody did what he did. It's going to be unsatisfying." Interestingly enough, the exact opposite happened. By us trying to explain it, people got upset that the explanation was too literal. Again, you're never going to please everyone all the time. You have to look at that moment with the drone strike and Issa in a much more complicated context. What I mean by that is, this is a man who had been kept in captivity, had been beaten, had been tortured, had been psychologically broken, had been denied human company for long stretches of time, and all of a sudden, been insinuated into Nazir's family and had made a connection with another human being in a way he had never expected to happen. Actually he probably expected to die in captivity. So you have to take a very fragile man, put him in that circumstance, have him establish a new connection with a human being, something he had never expected to happen, and then have that person taken away from him. It's not as rational as I think people respond to, it's much more irrational than that. It's about a man whose life became bound up with another person, this young boy, and then having that boy taken away from him in the most horrific way. I think that's how you have to look at Brody. You can't think that Brody an entirely sane and/or stable person. Because he's not, because of what he's been through.

One last question: Who gave Brody's former guard the razor blade in the interrogation room?

I'm going to leave that question open because we actually haven't exactly determined that for ourselves. There is clearly somebody inside the United States government who is on the Nazir payroll. But whether or not the razor blade itself was passed by that person is one we're going to keep to ourselves



"There's the videotape out there."
TOLD YOU SO. Also, Brody and Carrie sittin' in a tree.

[Bert]

episode 12:
xvid:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YGFM1EBX
720p:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/YgpQwf5/Homeland.S01E12.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION.mkv
streaming:
http://www.movshare.net/video/vh7rxtzoer6lk

[Aussie_Outlaw]

Ok I'm late to the party and just watched the first episode (I guess I can do the whole season over the xmas break this way). And it's a nice opener. You get the feel this is what Rubicon was trying for a year ago but didn't quite have the drive or strength in characterisation to pull off.

[virms]

I am also late to the part. I am into episode 7 and I like the show quite a bit. There is just a few things that irk me.

I understand Carrie supposedly has mental issues (fucking and trying to take down Brody) but surely to go the CIA can see her problems considering it is the fucking CIA. I mean they work with her 6 or 7 days a week...can they not see changes in her :dunno:

[Aussie_Outlaw]

I bought that as that she's mostly level (I say mostly because she still seems to act incredibly stupid in spots even when medicated in the early episodes).

And I finished the series last night. I'd say the series as a whole is better than the individual episodes which can be a little slow and the characters can be a bit dumb sometimes.

[grimshaw]

This show is good, though I think Carrie in particular is a fairly weak one-dimensional character. They tried to add depth with the illness but for me it didn't quite work, it just seemed to serve as an excuse for her to act dumb and get angry.

[BBF]

This starts tonight at 9.30 in the UK if you haven't seen it yet.

[Morrison]

This show is good, though I think Carrie in particular is a fairly weak one-dimensional character. They tried to add depth with the illness but for me it didn't quite work, it just seemed to serve as an excuse for her to act dumb and get angry.

uhhhh, honestly?

[grimshaw]

you thought it was a good decision to have her fall in love with the terrorang?

[Bert]

I think he actually had a problem with the statement he quoted.

[grimshaw]

'falls in love with the target of her surveillance' is a tired trope, along with most of her actions. OMG don't tear down my wall of papers! I'm such a mess now I'm off my meds! FUCK this shit. I'm so off the plantation that I'm going to go behind my boss' back! To hell with by the book!

'Oh no, everyone thinks I'm crazy and won't listen!' got old when Goosebumps used it the twelfth time.

[Bert]

Maybe that's how crazy people are portrayed a lot because that's how they actually are when they're off their medication? :blah:

Also, she wasn't a by the book person during episode 1 when she was still taking her medication either, it's not a sudden change like you're making it out to be.

[Morrison]

Maybe that's how crazy people are portrayed a lot because that's how they actually are when they're off their medication? :blah:

Also, she wasn't a by the book person during episode 1 when she was still taking her medication either, it's not a sudden change like you're making it out to be.

exactly. YEARS before any of these events she broke an incredible amount of rules to get in contact with her informant. this in turn ruins her HIGHLY UNETHICAL SEXUAL AFFAIR with her boss. she was subversive and fed up with the bureaucracy of her agency for agessss. she felt like it got in the way of HER stopping 9/11. she has delusions of grandeur, that people shrug off as dedication to the job. she's not a very stable person ON her meds, let alone off them. her falling in love with brody is handled really well. you can't just shit on the trope just because it's in fact a trope. she goes from being obsessed with CATCHING him to the point that she becomes physically involved with him for manipulation purposes, only to find common ground and things she can't relate with anybody else but him, which in turn sets her hypersensitive mind off into love-land. i talked to vice throughout the entire course of the show, and he was floored by how spot on carrie portrayed the mood disorder, as he's known people who have had similar problems. it's a character trait that they took the time to develop and give backstory, to give the character depth. one-dimensional just doesn't describe her. you might think it's cliche or that it falls flat, but she's not one-dimensional.

[Alf]

Saul was in princess bride!

[Bert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6a3-oDJdTU

[Jay]

Fucking hell. I seriously cannot wait.

[Bert]

http://www.tv.com/news/homeland-at-tcas-carrie-gets-her-mojo-back-brodys-pretty-fcked-29248/


The main question heading into Season 2 is exactly what state of mind (if any!) Carrie will be in following her electroshock therapy in the season finale. Well, here's your answer: Season 2 picks up roughly six months later. Brody is a congressman and, if you can believe it, Carrie's better off. As Danes explains, "She is changed—in that she's pretty stable. Obviously there was that crescendo of mania toward the very end, but throughout the season it was sort of simmering. But now she really has taken responsibility for her condition. And I think she's been exposed as a person with that [bipolar] condition and that has altered her in a pretty fundamental way." It's sort of akin to coming out of the closet, in other words. "She's not hiding to the same extent and she doesn't have that kind of panic or defensiveness. And when we find her at the beginning of the second season she's been very humbled and she's really suffering from a crisis of confidence." But Danes was quick to add: "She gets her mojo back, but she takes her time."

When asked how long Gansa and Gordon labored over how to get Carrie involved in the show's main plotline again, they admitted they had to throw out at least one option before settling on the solution: "We threw around a lot of options," Gansa says. "Carrie and Virgil working as private investigators. There was a lot of discussion of Virgil and Carrie in a van together around Washington D.C."

"We knew we had to wind Carrie up and get her back in the saddle," Gordon muses. As for what that would take exactly, they knew this much: "Six months of psychiatric care. A real reluctance to get back into the field, yet a pull to do real work." Danes hints that it doesn't take too long. "The first three episodes she's actively grappling with [her mental state] but she gets a boost of confidence, much needed, much-deserved boost. Thank God." In fact, there's at least one moment in the Season premiere in which it's clear Carrie's still got it. Without giving anything away, Gordon promises "the whole episode was constructed around that particular moment [of triumph]."

As for how Brody will differ this season, Lewis put it succinctly: "He's more knowingly juggling balls this season. But essentially he's everybody's bitch. He's pretty fucked." As for the rest of the season, Lewis hints that we should expect a pivotal moment or episode on par with Season 1's "Weekend" episode. "Alex and Howard have created a similar sort of pivotal moment in Season 2 but of a much different nature. "

But Homeland is more than a terrific character study: It's a bit of a nightmare scenario that deftly taps into our nation's collective fears. Gansa describes Homeland's larger relevance thusly: "It does explore how justified our fears are. Are they justified? The lengths we go to to assuage our fears? The amount of surveillance going on in the U.S. and London right now during the Olympics? It is so pervasive. Are our civil liberties being abrogated? We think these questions are warranted."

Two major production difficulties raised eyebrows this season. The first is the amount of on-location filming in Israel (as a stand-in for Beirut), and the second involves Danes' real-life pregnancy. Though she doesn't expect it to be a factor for the remainder of filming this season, Danes admits "We were a little concerned," about stunts and whatnot. "We've raised those questions for sure. It's proven to be non-issue. All is well. And Carrie remains fervently non-pregnant." The influence runs both ways: Danes does her best to not be too influenced by Carrie's life either. "If I took these characters with me, half of my life would be a misery. I tend to compartmentalize work from life. I'm not terribly method," she admits with relief.

:hyper:

[Bert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYbNEjqBd7Y

[Bert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh_TPjZJCRc

[Jay]

:hyper:

Hurry the fuck up already. It feels like I've been waiting forever.

I'm a die hard fan of Dexter, absolutely love it, but I'm actually more stoked for some more Homeland goodness.

[Morrison]

really looking forward to rewatching season 1 in anticipation for the new season.

[Bert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDr7OMef840

BROWN HAIR.

[Pablo Diablo]

So I know I'm coming into this very late. Just finished watching the finale of season 1. Great show.

Now I don't know if it's just because I watched all the episodes in a marathon session, but is Saul supposed to look like the leak or not?

[Mik]

Yeah.

[Bert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FldahUr6sx4

[Bert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NWeS4p-cKg

[Bert]

Outstanding Drama Series
Mad Men
*WINNER* Homeland
Downton Abbey
Breaking Bad
Boardwalk Empire
Game of Thrones

Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series
Bryan Cranston, Breaking Bad
Jon Hamm, Mad Men
Steve Buscemi, Boardwalk Empire
Hugh Bonneville, Downton Abbey
*WINNER* Damian Lewis, Homeland
Michael C. Hall, Dexter

Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series
*WINNER* Claire Danes, Homeland
Julianna Margulies, The Good Wife
Elisabeth Moss, Mad Men
Glenn Close, Damages
Michelle Dockery, Downton Abbey
Kathy Bates, Harry's Law


:yes:

[Big]

Great show,but the only reason I think it won over Breaking Bad & Bryan Cranston was because of the really touchy subject matter.
I hope with the big wins it gets more recognition I'd hate for it to get cancelled or something. I've told everyone I know that has similar TV tastes as me to check this show out when it first started and those who watched weren't disappointed.

Claire Danes absolutely deserved best lead actress.

[Morrison]

it's not going to get cancelled anytime soon.

[Mik]

I think that it won because its the new cool thing.

I enjoyed it, but its nowhere near the level of Mad Men or Game of Thrones.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I really enjoyed the first series and thought the final episode was massively tense, but only because I had no idea they'd planned a second series. This should have ended after one series. I'll probably watch the first few episodes of the second to see what's happening but I already feel myself losing interest because I now know they have no real end planned in sight, even if they say they do. This story needed a conclusion, not to be dragged out to ridiculous levels just because they've got some good characters, actors and a slick production. All of those things are completely undermined when the story loses all sense of itself.

[Bert]

I don't see how you can feel that way. It feels perfectly natural to me. Maybe you're just used to UK tv where shows are never on for very long.

And Homeland is 10x better than Mad Men. And also very close to the level of Game of Thrones.

[Alf]

There was a fair amount of shiteness in it.

It's saving grace was its shortness. It didn't have to drag out a storyline for 24 eps. Hopefully they stick to the same pattern.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I don't see how you can feel that way. It feels perfectly natural to me. Maybe you're just used to UK tv where shows are never on for very long.



No it's nothing to do with what I'm "used to". These things are usually either primarily character-driven or story-driven. This show's interest for me lay in the suspense of the premise: was he or wasn't he a traitor, who was the leak, was he going to go through with the attack. All of that was neatly told in the one series. The story was the heart of this series for me.

There's no suspense now. It's quite clearly being dragged out to spin money at this point. The Cassandra complex and mental illness angle isn't interesting enough as a story on its own, it was only interesting in terms of the suspense, once again, of whether Brody had been turned or not. What is left now? The original premise was extremely interesting, the new one is absurd.

Like I said, I'll probably watch a bit to see what's going on but my interest levels died dramatically when I realised they weren't wrapping it up in the finale of the original series. The tension they had built just crumbled to nothing.

[Mik]

And claiming that it is better than Mad Men is insane.

[One Man Gang]

As I've discussed with Bert in the past, I just do not see how they keep this going for 6 to 7 years while keeping it interesting and believable. I can see them killing off his wife or daughter in some tragic way to perhaps give Brody new motivation to harm the U.S. government, but that's about it. Great acting though and I'm glad Claire Danes and Damien Lewis won.

As for the second season premiere


I'm somewhat bothered at the lack of selling in regards to Claire being shunned by the CIA. I know a little bit of time has passed, but after her complete dismantling at the end of last season, now she's suddenly back working for them in episode one of the new season. Even with the excuse of the old source only wanting to talk with her, it just feels rushed. Of course I understand that if she's not working with the CIA, her part in the story is absolutely useless. Perhaps that's part of the flaw.

I kinda rolled my eyes at the new terrorist woman trying to hook up with the CIA boss. Are all CIA agents single and prone to hooking up with terrorists?

So now the wife knows that her husband is a practicing Muslim who obviously was converted while being held captive. It made me ask the question on whether the Brody family attend Church or not. I can't remember if last season answered this but for a sitting Senator, it would be relatively known information. If he doesn't, someone would have asked him why by now. I am interested to see how far this information spreads though. I mean they just had the daughter blurt it out at school so it's basically coming to light. While being a practicing Muslim is fine, being one who was converted by a known terrorist while being held captive is not something acceptable for his status.

I'll give the next few episodes a chance though.

[Bert]

As I've discussed with Bert in the past, I just do not see how they keep this going for 6 to 7 years while keeping it interesting and believable. I can see them killing off his wife or daughter in some tragic way to perhaps give Brody new motivation to harm the U.S. government, but that's about it. Great acting though and I'm glad Claire Danes and Damien Lewis won.

As for the second season premiere


I'm somewhat bothered at the lack of selling in regards to Claire being shunned by the CIA. I know a little bit of time has passed, but after her complete dismantling at the end of last season, now she's suddenly back working for them in episode one of the new season. Even with the excuse of the old source only wanting to talk with her, it just feels rushed. Of course I understand that if she's not working with the CIA, her part in the story is absolutely useless. Perhaps that's part of the flaw.

I kinda rolled my eyes at the new terrorist woman trying to hook up with the CIA boss. Are all CIA agents single and prone to hooking up with terrorists?

So now the wife knows that her husband is a practicing Muslim who obviously was converted while being held captive. It made me ask the question on whether the Brody family attend Church or not. I can't remember if last season answered this but for a sitting Senator, it would be relatively known information. If he doesn't, someone would have asked him why by now. I am interested to see how far this information spreads though. I mean they just had the daughter blurt it out at school so it's basically coming to light. While being a practicing Muslim is fine, being one who was converted by a known terrorist while being held captive is not something acceptable for his status.

I'll give the next few episodes a chance though.


She is working with the CIA it's just supposed to be a one time thing. I think they did a good job of making Carrie feel rushed into it before she was ready which didn't make the story seem rushed to me.

I'm pretty sure she was just stalling for time.

It looked like that class was at a church, it wasn't? Regardless of why he became a Muslim no one is going to accept a congressman and possibly a man in the running for Vice President as a Muslim for any reason. The fact that he was a POW just makes it worse.

I liked it.

[Morrison]

there was an episode last season where the brody family goes to church. i believe it's where brody is introduced to elisabeth gaines.

[Bert]

That episode, holy shit.

[One Man Gang]

So....what now? :p

[Bert]

I really have no idea. And that's the best part.

[Bert]

http://www.tv.com/news/showtime-renews-homeland-for-a-third-season-29885/


Showtime has renewed the series for a 12-episode third season four episodes into its sophomore run.
You want some impressive stats and numbers? Okay, last night's episode was the highest-rated episode of the series, pulling in 1.75 million viewers for its first airing and topping the previous mark (1.73 million) set by the Season 2 premiere.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Episode 3 was fucking ridiculous. Not in a good way. Just all over the fucking place.

[Jacknife]

I wanted to hear his speech.

[One Man Gang]

I really have no idea. And that's the best part.



It honestly looks like they they've conceded that they can't run 7 seasons on the CIA not knowing if Brody has turned, but are now morphing it into "has he turned...again?"

Personally I don't see how Brody's character will stay relevant for more than say 3 seasons. Either he'll end up in Gitmo or be killed, redemption or not.

[Morrison]

Episode 3 was fucking ridiculous. Not in a good way. Just all over the fucking place.

felt the same. the whole sideplot with brody and the tailor was retarded, and in the end i don't know what it accomplished but to get brody to miss the fundraiser, but doing so in such a ridiculously overdramatic fashion.

i'm still enjoying the show a lot, but the writing for this season is not nearly as tight as the first, which i kind of expected, to be honest.

[The Rogerer]

I haven't followed the entire show closely, but I have been watching it off and on. I thought the whole speech thing was ridiculous, he ended up killing a man while talking to his wife because he wouldn't hang up his phone (although I did say "That is something one of them muslims would do, aye"). Not to be That Guy but couldn't his wife have looked at the tire? I only say that because how many times are we going to have to watch a long, drawn out "You're hiding something, I know you're hiding something" section that goes nowhere and will keep going three times an episode until she finally finds out in season 6.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

The amount of belief that has to be suspended is rising exponentially. There are so many possible questions of plausibility that could be asked over that whole episode, it has gone from a tightly-written, suspenseful show to something that is convoluted and messy.

[The Rosk]

Yowzers. Didn't expect that.

[Vice]

Lewis and Danes are going to be taking home a shit ton of awards for this. If there was ever any doubt before, this episode sealed the deal many times over. I thought Bryan Cranston was untouchable with his work in Breaking Bad, but Lewis is now officially up there.

Fucking love this show, even if it's getting a bit more ridiculous.

[McBain]

The amount of belief that has to be suspended is rising exponentially. There are so many possible questions of plausibility that could be asked over that whole episode, it has gone from a tightly-written, suspenseful show to something that is convoluted and messy.

Agreed. Still enjoying it, but its claim to be a realistic portrayal has been well and truly jizzed over.

[McBain]

Yowzers. Didn't expect that.

Which episode you on about?

[Funboy]

I thought it was another stellar outing by Homeland this week. It is an amazing piece of tv.
I was wary when they brought it back for a second season, and got even more so when I heard that they were already locked in for a season 3. Not sure how much more the story can take before becoming too ludicrous.

BUT the writers on this show are some of the best, and the idea of a double agent isn't too unrealistic (yet!).
There is a great book called Agent Zig Zag based on a true story about a British spy that ends up a triple agent. So I'm not too against Brody flipping.

But the characters are great, and I like where the story is headed to now.
Excellent, excellent stuff.

[Mik]

I'm up to date with the UK viewers.

Its a good show, but its a bit of a mess. Great acting throughout and looks great, the pacing is really good too and the writing is fine in terms of dialogue, but as far as plot goes its a bit of a mess.

It really shouldnt be winning awards over Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad, let alone Mad Men which is virtually fucking perfect television.

[Mik]

Christ, nobody talking about that most recent episode?

That was a cracker. I'm such a damn good actor. Anytime the two of them are on screen its electric and it suffers in comparison without them.

[Bert]

Are you still an episode behind? If so that scene with the back and forth and all of the emotion deserves every oscar available.

[Mik]

I think we might be caught up for a few days. We get the new episodes on a Sunday. And I agree, it was a really great scene. Lewis is a rare talent. He's a bit like Fassbender in that he's SO good that you forget how good he is because you dont really notice it.

The series in general is merely 'pretty good' and has given itself maybe another couple of seasons with that big turn, but other than that its not to the quality of its leads.

[Bert]

Peter Quinn is a hero, "And I ain't doing that."

That arab CIA guy who "pulled out his stitches" must be the one behind this. There's obviously some leak in the CIA for the tape to end up on TV.

Saul's in charge, Este's is dead.

Brody on the run, presumed dead. Carrie trying to clear his name.

Carrie calling Saul's name and his reaction when he turned around gave me chills.

Really looking forward to next season.

[Morrison]

Peter Quinn is a hero, "And I ain't doing that."

That arab CIA guy who "pulled out his stitches" must be the one behind this. There's obviously some leak in the CIA for the tape to end up on TV.

Saul's in charge, Este's is dead.

Brody on the run, presumed dead. Carrie trying to clear his name.

Carrie calling Saul's name and his reaction when he turned around gave me chills.

Really looking forward to next season.


al queda released the tape, so i don't think that has anything to do with a mole inside the CIA.

killing off estes was big, but i will miss him.

i'd like to know what saul was saying at the end there.

overall, still a very enjoyable show, though i don't think this season should be getting any awards over shows like breaking bad. i'll be watching next season, but i'm not as excited as i was coming into season two. the promise i thought the show had was shot with this season, which was a disappointment, but it's still worth watching.

[McBain]

Agreed. Enjoyable season but it jumped the shark right from the off.

Still though, the ending was a nice shocker. Probably one of the few options available to them for keeping both lead characters involved. A bit like how Prison Break went in some ways (which is by no means a good thing).

Sad to see Estes go, but not too much. I :heart: Saul.

I'll tune in next season, but I'll always be thinking of season 1 when this show was at its best.

[Morrison]

Agreed. Enjoyable season but it jumped the shark right from the off.

Still though, the ending was a nice shocker. Probably one of the few options available to them for keeping both lead characters involved. A bit like how Prison Break went in some ways (which is by no means a good thing).

Sad to see Estes go, but not too much. I :heart: Saul.

I'll tune in next season, but I'll always be thinking of season 1 when this show was at its best.



same. me and vice have a weekly chat after each new episode of the shows we both watch, and this show more than any other has us beating our heads against the wall, cause season one was just so damn great in almost every respect. coming into this season we had such high expectations, but the writers clearly thought the show was about something else now, that being the brody/carrie love story, and like i said, a lot of the 'promise' it held went up in smoke. i suppose they can still deliver next season on that promise, since i have a feeling they're going to tone things back. an interview i read says that they're likely going to move away from the 'attack on america' inevitability always hanging in the air, which i think means we'll get back to more of a season one story. guess we'll find out next september.

[McBain]

Well it'll be about proving Brody's innocence (if he is innocent?), won't it?

Seems to me that the show is now almost solely about the love story. Which I fear it'll struggle to recover from.

[Morrison]

yeah, but that allows the show to be more focused. the first season was mainly about proving brody's guilt, and that worked well. brody is going to be in the wind, so the 'love story' will hopefully not be as sappy, contrived and melodramatic as it was this season.

[Pablo Diablo]

i'd like to know what saul was saying at the end there.

Apparently it was a Jewish prayer, Kaddish. Which is a prayer of mourning.

[McBain]

I would've never have guessed.

[son_of_foley]

So am I alone in thinking
Saul did this. It feels like the single most obvious thing in obvious land. Perhaps I'm being mental (probably am). There was big questions over his involvement with the suicide last year for example. He had the tape of Brodie in the first place so leaking it wouldn't have been an issue. We cant even be sure Galvez saw the tape. I think the shock factor of a jewish guy working for the muslim terrorists might be what they are looking for

[Mik]

It certainly seems to be suggesting those kinds of things.

[McBain]

You think?

Surely it's just him showing that he cares about the deaths of his colleagues etc.

[son_of_foley]

You think?

Surely it's just him showing that he cares about the deaths of his colleagues etc.

My thoughts on it are


Hated estes. Hated the fact he didn't get the promotion because of the vice president. They basically said that early on in Season 1 right?
Linked with the suicide of that prisoner last year. Couldve been anyone being the mole but he, Carrie and Brodie seemed the most likely participants.
Coincidentally wasn't there when the bomb went off. The one safe place to be basically.
Was in control of the video.
Very worried about Quinns involvement and seemed very nervous by the fact he might not be trusted.
Was very clear he wanted Brodie alive. Seeing as Brodie was the trojan horse to speak that speaks volumes about possible motives.

Now I know a lot of things don't add up about it but at this point I think that would be the case for almost all of the potential candidates
- He nearly let Nazir get killed in Lebanon.

[McBain]

I get where you're coming from - in the first season when he did the polygraph I was strongly thinking he was involved, but that was the intentions of the writers at the time. If he wanted Brody alive then setting a bomb to go under his car isn't exactly the surefire of doing that is it?

I'm thinking there's not supposed to be a whodunit element really, just a "Brody didn't do it" storyline. The guys that did it were the terrorists. For it to be Saul would drastically take this show into the ludicrous 24 territory, for me, so I hope it's not.

[The Rosk]

Why would Saul be involved with the terrorists. Do you not remember how he found the video? Do you not remember the numerous "alone" scenes where he has cursed the terrorists and bummed the CIA. Why would he act like he loved America/the CIA when noone was around apart from a video camera recording him for a TV show that he doesn't know about. Simple lads. Saul is a good boy. I think.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

The second series was so ridiculous that nothing would surprise me. The finale was fucking dreadful.

[son_of_foley]

I get where you're coming from - in the first season when he did the polygraph I was strongly thinking he was involved, but that was the intentions of the writers at the time. If he wanted Brody alive then setting a bomb to go under his car isn't exactly the surefire of doing that is it?

I'm thinking there's not supposed to be a whodunit element really, just a "Brody didn't do it" storyline. The guys that did it were the terrorists. For it to be Saul would drastically take this show into the ludicrous 24 territory, for me, so I hope it's not.



He wanted brodie alive so that he could set the bomb under his car. The two are linked. With Brodie dead before the memorial they would not have had a delivery mechanism for the bomb.

[McBain]

Gotcha. For some reason I was thinking you meant alive after the bomb had gone off.

[son_of_foley]

Just found out I'm spelling Brody wrong. Shameful

[Mik]

The second series was so ridiculous that nothing would surprise me. The finale was fucking dreadful.


Its pretty much just dumb fun with some excellent central performances. Its that type of television made to make unintelligent people feel intelligent.

[Matty C]

My wife and I just watched both seasons of this over the last few weeks. I enjoy it but felt like many in here in terms of it getting a bit ridiculous in season 2. I’m definitely getting the 24 vibe, which isn’t a bad thing but isn’t how it started out.

Also, I don’t think sof is crazy here. I’m not sold that they won’t reveal Saul as being involved at some point in the future.

Also, also, I didn't find Mrs. Brody to be much of an actor.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

She's superb at getting her jubblies out.

[Mik]

She seems a right good dirty fuck.

[McBain]

I would love to glaze that.

[Matty C]

I agree with all of the above.

[Jacknife]

Just a question, it may have been explained in the show but I missed it if it was, but why does his wife call him Brody? Isn't that her last name? Just seems weird to me. Mike, Carrie, everyone else I understand. I even think his daughter called him Brody at one point.

[Bert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWDPkg_Y_eI

[Myles]

is homeland worth a watch? I need a new show and I have heard mixed things... I have been in love with Claire danes since my so called life, so I thought I might try this... downloading episodes 1 and 2 as I type this... is it worth it boys? does she get naked?

[Vice]

First season is amazing. Second season is entertaining, but pretty ridiculous.

[Myles]

first episode was good, it almost has a 24 like feel to it... I'm going to give it a few episodes before I decide if I want to watch all of it, but it was entertaining enough. The vets wife is sexy. :yes:

[Mik]

She is and she stays hot. Its a decent enough show, just should've only ran one season. Anytime Lewis and Danes are on screen, or Mandy...its first rate, even if the writing sometimes isnt.

[Pablo Diablo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXOUIsu-E0Q

Season 3 trailer. Obviously don't look Myles. I'm going to spoiler it as well.

[Myles]

7 episodes in and I get it! Totally hooked on this now, the show is well written, the actors are fantastic and the suspense is bar none.

Seriously, I'd say this is the best tv show I have seen in a long time. Why was I wasting my time catching up on the fun, but mediocre Walking Dead? All this hype over the last few years for Breaking Bad, which I have thoroughly enjoyed, but Homeland is where it is at. The last couple of days that I have spent watching this have been the most fun I have had watching a new show in a long time. This is just as good, if not better than the first season of 24.

I haven't seen enough episodes at the moment to make real ratings, but wow, I am impressed. Thanks for recommending this. :yes: While my facebook news feed goes crazy for breaking bad over the next few days from all the geeky fanboys, I'm going to be watching homeland. :)

[Mik]

Its not in the same league as Breaking Bad.

[Myles]

I enjoy breaking bad, but I would say I have had more fun watching homeland. Breaking bad is the better show, but from a purely entertainment standpoint, homeland is as good as early lost or 24. :yes:

[Myles]

I'd said it before, but mik mate.... if you love breaking bad, you MUST give The Sopranos a shot. From an overall perspective I'd rank it something like this

1. The Sopranos
2. The Wire
3. The Shield
4. Breaking Bad
5. Early lost/24/ maybe homeland?

give Tony a go.

[Mik]

I'm watching it mate. Just started the second season. Homeland doesn't hold it's quality beyond the first season throughout the second one, whereas breaking bad just gets better and better.

[Morrison]

I'm watching it mate. Just started the second season. Homeland doesn't hold it's quality beyond the first season throughout the second one, whereas breaking bad just gets better and better.

this. i love the first season of homeland. if pushed to answer, i might say it's my favorite single season of a television show. but season two really does destroy much of the HIGH quality it developed during the first. granted, it's still an entertaining enough watch, but it doesn't touch season 1.

[Gary J]

I lost interest in this during season 2 might try catching up in time for the third season.

As for greatest seasons of television The Shield Season 5 takes that for me.

[Bert]

http://www.tv.com/news/news-briefs-someone-was-supposed-to-die-on-homeland-and-its-exactly-who-you-think-137652045028/
If you're one of those people who thought Nicholas Brody should have been written off Homeland in Season 2, you're not alone. According to the series' writers, who recently discussed the topic at a TV Academy panel, that was the original plan, but the bigwigs at Showtime stepped in and decided it just wasn't his time. Oh, and the best part? They did the same thing in Season 1 when the writers were debating offing him.

[Mik]

They really need to stand up for their convictions then. Ultimately it would mean an end to the show, but it would vastly improve the shows legacy.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I always knew Homeland had been extended for commercial rather than artistic reasons. It's no surprise to hear that. The drop in tension in the narrative was stark in the second series, where it became more of a run-of-the-mill drama with some exceptional performances and characters. A real waste, if they'd stuck to their guns they could have made that one series of Homeland something to stand over, but the ending was ultimately unsatisfying when it became clear they'd taken the decision to extend the perfect story-arc.

[Myles]

Just a question, it may have been explained in the show but I missed it if it was, but why does his wife call him Brody? Isn't that her last name? Just seems weird to me. Mike, Carrie, everyone else I understand. I even think his daughter called him Brody at one point.

this is my main problem with the show... Why does the wife call him by his last name all the time? :lol: It makes no sense and in no way would that take place in the real world. It is her name ffs, it seemed like the writers fucked up and just went with it. When his daughter was calling him Brody I cringed everytime.

You guys were right, I'm not as high on this show as I was after watching the first season. It really would have been a perfect end to the season/series had they pulled the trigger and had his vest go off. Season two was over the top and a bit all over the place, still it was entertaining and there were scenes between Brodie and Carrie that were excellent. I'll be watching season 3, but I have to admit that you boys were right about it tapering off. Season 1 was one of the best seasons of any show I have ever seen.

[Morrison]

this is my main problem with the show... Why does the wife call him by his last name all the time? :lol: It makes no sense and in no way would that take place in the real world. It is her name ffs, it seemed like the writers fucked up and just went with it. When his daughter was calling him Brody I cringed everytime.

You guys were right, I'm not as high on this show as I was after watching the first season. It really would have been a perfect end to the season/series had they pulled the trigger and had his vest go off. Season two was over the top and a bit all over the place, still it was entertaining and there were scenes between Brodie and Carrie that were excellent. I'll be watching season 3, but I have to admit that you boys were right about it tapering off. Season 1 was one of the best seasons of any show I have ever seen.

NO! the vest should never have went off. that's what makes the scene in the bunker so fucking good. he plunges the button, showing he is a believer, he is committed to the cause, but it malfunctions. but then to fix it, but have him derailed by talking to dana, my god. that whole phone call is great. having him blow after hanging up with her wouldn't have worked for me.

and i imagine the whole 'brody' thing is from when they were teenagers. it's not untypical for people to get called by their last names, i imagine that's what he was known as before they started dating and it was just something that stuck.

[Myles]

if I called my dad "Petersen" in a condescending tone like dana calls her dad, I would get a smack right across the face.

edit: in my opinion Brody's wife is the villain in this show. Yeah, the terrorists are the bad guys but she is the type of woman that drives me nuts. Sleeping with her husbands best friend even if she thought he was dead was pretty low, but forgivable. But her continued interaction with Uncle Mike was a bit much. Also the way she gets turned on by the power and prestige of her husband becoming a public figure is a bit much. She loves the socialite aspect of it all and gets off on it. The scene where she attacks Brody for not being able to fuck her. Saying I married a marine etc. is ridiculous. The man just got back from 8 years of torture and you're upset that he is having medical problems? Get over yourself.

btw I enjoy her but she is the heel. The actress plays the close minded lower middle class white American lady perfectly. I think that it would have been realistic for Brody to smack her around a little bit. Could have made him even more of a tweener. :yes: In reality, a soldier coming back from that situation would have been so messed up in the head it would have been strange for him not to beat his wife.

[Mik]

She's incredibly hot though.

[Myles]

oh she is a milf and a half, and I guess any excuse to get her tits out is okay by me :yes:

[Bert]

Season 3 Episode 1 is online, 4 weeks early.
http://www.putlocker.com/file/D22DD9F87F48EE86

I'm watching it now.

[Bert]

So, Dana tried to commit suicide (off screen.) I guess it makes sense when you factor in the hatred towards her family after Brody is framed for killing everyone last season. It was still weird to just jump into Dana at a meeting though.

This definitely isn't the final version because you can hear a clearly dubbed in "our own analysts."

Seems like Saul is the new head of the CIA.

Dana's taking topless pix. I'm sure that won't come back to haunt her.

Haha, a green screen that says crater. Amazing.

http://i.imgur.com/Fr1OH5l.png

http://i.imgur.com/diWKXOk.png

Crazy Carrie is back and she is great.

Saul outed her as bipolar. Damn. Then he lied and said he didn't know she was fucking brody. Double damn.

No Brody all episode. Weird.

[Myles]

that was okay but fairly slow... bring on brodie and so crazy action and drama

[Clive Plasma]

edit: in my opinion Brody's wife is the villain in this show. .

Is there any show where the woman isn't the villain and wanted dead? Walking Dead (Andrea), Homeland (Brody's hot wife), Breaking Bad (Skyler), The Shield (Claudette), out of the ones I watch at least...

[Myles]

Claudette was the good guy in the shield :wtf:

nice strong lady who tries to do the right thing and doesn't take shit from crooked politicans or shady police officers.

[Myles]

also Carmella Soprano was the hero in my opinion

but i hear ya, most of the geeky fanboys that love those shows hate women, it is a sad state of affairs :(

[Clive Plasma]

Claudette was the good guy in the shield :wtf:

nice strong lady who tries to do the right thing and doesn't take shit from crooked politicans or shady police officers.

Was she? She was always up in Vics grill and ridin' the strike team.

What about Vics wife? Constantly complaining about having to look after the kids on her own and his shady lifestyle, crying hysterically at any given chance.

I wouldn't say it's down to the geeky fanboys, it's just the love of the anti-hero makes you hate the only decent, rational person in the show.

[Myles]

as the shield went on, I started rooting against Mackey. I was in no way cheering for David, so Claudette and Dutch were the good guys in my eyes. Yeah, Dutch was a narcissist, but he was a good guy deep down. Same with Ronnie to a lesser extent. Claudette was a nice old lady who was hard as fuck when it came down to it.

edit: I felt empathy for his wife. I didn't dislike her like Skyler from Breaking Bad.

[The Law]

I enjoyed the premiere more than I was expecting to. I thought they would move ahead further, but instead we're very much dealing with the aftermath of the CIA bombing. I wouldn't mind this show getting back to its roots as a domestic character drama. I thought last year when too far with the 24-esque terrorist plots. I don't know what the big threat will be this year, but I'm sure it will be the people who were behind the CIA bombing. No way they got them all.

The one thing is that I assume they're setting up the senator as an antagonist...but he's totally right. It's a huge failure that the CIA let Brody twist in the wind rather than taking him down when they had the chance. And then he blows up the CIA (or at least that's what everyone thinks). At that point, dramatic reform of the CIA would be needed, if not a complete shutdown. And yet I get the feeling we're supposed to think he's an asshole because he dares question the wisdom of Carrie Matheson, insane spy.

[Grimario]

How is this season rating in the US? It's bombing here in Australia... getting less viewers than afternoon showings of The Bold & The Beautiful (no joke).

[Clive Plasma]

Really didn't rate the second episode. The storyline involving Dana winds me up no end. She's such a miserable fucker (I get that that's the point) and it's boring to watch. The preview for the third looks better though.

[LOCONUT]

There were points where I thought that episode would literally never end. Not in a good way either.

[Funboy]

I know it's subjective but ign gave that ep a 9; I think that ep was another nail in the coffin of my interest in this show. Showtime ruins another good show by extending it unnecessarily.

[LOCONUT]

I'm sure that people were relieved/excited to finally get a little Brody but revolving an entire episode around 1 specific situation feels a littleout of context. I'd have rather seen that storyline build over a couple episodes(which it still may) and have gotten some proper action on the CIA front.

[Grimario]

There were points where I thought that episode would literally never end. Not in a good way either.

This.

Dropped again in ratings here, almost under 400k viewers and down to 26th most watched show.

Give it a few more weeks of rubbish and I'll be over it as well.

[Grimario]

I doubt it rated any better from a number perspective but that episode saved me for at least the next few.

[Bert]

I'm a little pissed off that the first 2 episodes were basically meaningless now.

[McBain]

I thought that too. Ridiculous twist.

Needs more Mrs. Brody tits.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I thought the first ep of the third series was complete and utter shit in a lot of ways. Can't bring myself to watch this again. Such a letdown of a show.

[Clive Plasma]

Anyone else find Dana so horribly boring?

The series picked up in the 4th episode, slightly... but it will never reach the heights of the 1st season.

[LOCONUT]

That was the best episode in quite a while.

[One Man Gang]

One major thing that bugged me about last nights episode...


The drawer full of pregnancy tests. Didn't she just get released from a mental hospital? Wouldn't they have known if she was pregnant before giving her a variety of drugs? I forget if they zapped her or not. I am completely lost on this.

[LOCONUT]

Yeah, that crossed my mind as well. I still thought this was significantly better than the rest of the season though.

[Clive Plasma]

It's picking up again.

The scene with the broken bottle was brutal

[LOCONUT]

This show is back.

[McBain]

I'm not so sure. I'm into Saul more than ever but there are too many plotholes. Why the fuck would anyone from the law agencies speak to Carrie when as far as they're aware she's totally discredited? The drawer full of pregnancy tests was a real laugh out loud moment as well.

I wonder if by the time we get back to Venezuela, Brody's Latino chica will be writing Shakespeare-inspired sonnets. She's had a few weeks to really master English now.

Thank fuck for Saul.

[Clive Plasma]

That scene locking the VP in the conference room was :rofl:

[The Law]

I don't get where this show is going anymore. Are we done with the Brodys? I can only hope so. Can't we move on from Brody? Nope. Instead, we're going to spend the rest of the season with Carrie chasing the guy who blew up the CIA.

-Why is the Senator a villain? Everything he says makes sense to me. Saul, Carrie, and co. are dangerously incompetent and reckless. It's insanely risky to send the Iranian chief back to his country rather than holding him and questioning him. What stops him from feeding them bogus information? Or just dropping off the face of the planet? Couldn't they at least ask him how he snuck into the country? That seems like important information.

-Carrie's drawer full of pregnancy tests. Uh...what? So when they checked her into that psychiatric facility, they didn't test her blood or urine and find out she was pregnant? That doesn't seem very likely to me.

-Who cares anyway? What is this show about now? It just seems to be getting smaller and smaller as time goes by. It started off as a show asking big questions about warfare, surveillance, and espionage. Now it's a show about Carrie and Saul's adventure of the week. They come up with a new insane plan that somehow always works out.

[Donald]

Carrie and Dana are the two worst parts of the show. I love everything else though.

[Funboy]

Dana was pretty good in first season; her relationship with Brody was excellent. It's just she's been given dogshit to work with since. The show is a mess. I still watch, but will forever lament what this show could have been.

[Pablo Diablo]

Dana was pretty good in first season; her relationship with Brody was excellent. It's just she's been given dogshit to work with since. The show is a mess. I still watch, but will forever lament what this show could have been.

That's my feeling as well.

[Donald]

They could only go so far with the season one storyline though. Should have made this a mini series or something.

[Funboy]

That's precisely what they should have done. Could have been the greatest one-season show simce Band of Brothers. Could have ended with a failed attempt; could have been even more ambiguous; but as it stands Showtime are doing to Homeland what they did with Dexter - milking a show, making their money, but ruining the show in the process.

[Donald]

AMC is doing the same thing with Walking Dead. Two great shows have become terrible due to great ratings.

[Bert]

AMC is doing the same thing with Walking Dead. Two great shows have become terrible due to great ratings.

Walking Dead is great. You are wrong.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Dana was pretty good in first season; her relationship with Brody was excellent. It's just she's been given dogshit to work with since. The show is a mess. I still watch, but will forever lament what this show could have been.

That's because her relationship with Brody made narrative sense in the first series, she acted as the conscience for him, the person who could put doubt in his mind. It was tightly plotted and everything made sense. It's fucked now, she's a superfluous character, despite being so well written and acted initially.

[McBain]

Just watched the latest episode. What the fuck is going on?

[The Rosk]

Latest episode in the UK with Brody being retrained was epic. They give a few brilliant episodes every now and then and that was one of them. I thought Dana's acting this episode, even though it was just one scene, was awesome, and shat on everything else she did this series.

[LOCONUT]

I think you guys are 1 behind us. The most recent one here was perhaps my favorite episode of the entire series. So good.

[Myles]

so I have watched the first 9 of this season over the last few days. This show makes little sense anymore and is all over the place, the only saving grace is Brodie. The guy can act, Claire Danes has been pissing me off, and I don't even know wtf is going on most of the time (not in a good way) the plot is making little sense and this seems like it is turning into final season LOST.

if i didn't still have feelings for Claire Danes from my so called life, I'd probably give up. Still the first season of this was amazing.

[McBain]

The scene with Brodie in the latest episode was the shit. Really harkened back to some of the best episodes for me. Also, Saul is still great to watch.

I wish they'd have her lose her baby already though, pointless sub-plot.

[Grimario]

What the fuck.

[LOCONUT]

Should have happened a season ago.

[Bert]

I saw this coming when I saw this article a few months ago.

http://tvline.com/2013/10/17/blind-item-ausiello-series-kill-off-star/

I have no idea what they're going to do next season but I bet it's the last.

[Grimario]

Next season? I hope it's finished. That was horrendous

[The Rosk]

Fucking hell. I genuinely never saw that coming. Really odd way to go about the final episode I felt. A slow hanging? Christ.

[McBain]

Was a pretty crappy end all in all. Kept expecting a big twist, but basically the final episode finished half way through and concluded with a load of filler. Meh.

[Mik]

Just caught up on the latest season over the Christmas break, there was some shite but there were some excellent episodes again in the middle of it all. That was much better and tighter than the second season but fuck me that should've been the series finale. I have no interest in watching the next season after that.

[Bert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYkGeeSfJ4

[RFF Champ]

They killed the guy and they're still doing another series? I never even looked because it was pretty obvious the show was over.

[Red Dog]

Just binge watched this. I agree with some of the comments here but I don't even think the first series was that good in all honesty, thought it was pretty average.

Maybe I'm being unfair after just watching Game of Thrones and 24 but this was no-where near. Not going to bother with series 3.

[Clive Plasma]

Doesn't look good for the new series;

http://www.indiewire.com/article/review-homeland-season-4-reboots-the-series-but-keeps-killing-carrie-20141002?utm_campaign=review-homeland-season-4-reboots-the-series-but-keeps-killing-carrie-20141002

Minimal spoilers included.

[son_of_foley]

Anyone watching new season? Started off with a real purpose and genuine interest but seems to be fizzling out.

Better than season 3 I think though and at least one genuine what the fuck moment

[McBain]

Really? I'm quite into it. How far in are you?

[LOCONUT]

I think this season has been pretty strong. Great casting this year as well.

[McBain]

Agreed, the latest episode was excellent.

[son_of_foley]

Yeah I'm a few episodes behind. The last one I saw is when the identity of kidnapper was revealed and the safe house location was told.

Trying to not give much away there. It ended pretty fantastically so I'm very keen on it again.

I wasn't sure where the episodes before that were leading us. Things seemed to have taken a fairly large side step from the original story, which to me was more about sandy than the original drone strike but yeah it certainly picked up pace so I'm keen to get back into it.

Removing Brodie was a very brave move but it's given them such leeway when it comes to storytelling

[Rali]

Really liked the majority of this season. Was it just me, or did it seem more 24-ish than previous seasons? Probably why I liked it so much.

All until that last episode. What an utter piece of shit. I'll never have those 50 odd minutes back. I can't remember a worse season finale to anything, ever.

[Clive Plasma]

Enjoyed the season about Berlin. Managed to get back into it. Now here's the trailer for S6, and the first episode has leaked/been shown already.


https://youtu.be/6EBmdbsWTNE

[LOCONUT]

I thought last year was one of the strongest.

[Clive Plasma]

I thought last year was one of the strongest.

Absolutely. I've got a friend who works for the Ministry of Defence over here (now heads up a team who look into things like counter-terrorism, cyber crime etc), it was on his recommendation that I ended up giving Homeland a second chance, purely on the basis of how true to life it all was. Scarily accurate apparently, both in terms of how possible it is (they added the Paris mention in midway through filming the season, after the Paris attack), and the way in which they sought to prevent it (the monitoring of individuals over long periods of time etc).

[Mik]

Is this really worth getting back into? I stopped about halfway through the season after body died, but was still finding it to be alright.

[Clive Plasma]

Is this really worth getting back into? I stopped about halfway through the season after body died, but was still finding it to be alright.

100% yes.

[Clive Plasma]

4 episodes into this season and it's been great so far. Anyone else keeping up with it?

[LOCONUT]

I thought the first couple Eps were snoozers but things have picked up nicely.

[LOCONUT]

Not sure if you guys were still watching this but I thought Sunday's episode was one of the best of the series. Thought this season was relatively lackluster but Sunday reeled me back in a huge way.

[Morrison]

i completely fell off this show after the second season. first seasonis one of the best seasonsof any television show i've ever watched. second season took so many twists and turns and ridiculousness that it turned me off. i didnt bother watching the third season live, but did download the first couple episodes well after it aired, watched maybe one and a half and was just meh. mandy patinkin was almost worth pushibg through for, and at some point i may go back and finish it out, mostly for him.

[LOCONUT]

I thought last season was pretty great.

[Clive Plasma]

New season started a couple of weeks ago. It's been strong so far. About to dive into the 3rd episode.

[LOCONUT]

Yeah, last night's was very strong. Happy this show is back.

[Clive Plasma]

This might be my favourite one for a long time. Last nights was sensational TV.

[LOCONUT]

Totally agree Clive. Good stuff for sure.