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RFF Champ
August 31st, 2016, 6:59 AM
I'm sure there are but it is more about the level of competition that he'd be playing against.

6 games a season maybe, the rest of the time he might as well be in Arsenal U23s.

El Capitano Gatisto
August 31st, 2016, 7:07 AM
Even the teams beyond the big two consistently out-perform and defeat English teams in Europe. The Spanish league isn't that weak, it just has two brilliant teams in it and a couple of other very good ones. The Premier League has just as much turd in it except without the level of class at the top. The quality as contracted in the Premier League rather than becoming universally elevated.

son_of_foley
August 31st, 2016, 8:17 AM
What's the point just for a risk? Why do you think he'd develop more as players abroad than in the Premier League? It's not working out very well for the Chelsea boys being sent to Vitesse. The cultural benefit is they play a few new golf courses. In any case they already play in a multicultural city, it's not like they'd be leaving some Welsh village for the first time. They stay in temporary accomodation, know they're going home soon. The coaching isn't better, the league isn't a great standard.
As I mentioned he might find his style a bit more protected than it is in the premier league. Different pace of game as well.

You could say development in the premier league is often a non-starter as well look at Gnarby, Pritchard and many others it didn't work for them...Same argument as Vitesse.

RFF Champ
August 31st, 2016, 9:04 AM
As I mentioned he might find his style a bit more protected than it is in the premier league. Different pace of game as well.

You could say development in the premier league is often a non-starter as well look at Gnarby, Pritchard and many others it didn't work for them...Same argument as Vitesse.

Right, so the circumstances and environment have to be right for the player. So if Wilshere considers Bournemouth or Palace as right for him it doesn't make him some mongoloid because of an elitist view that he should go and spend a year backpacking in Portugal to take a risk.

Peter Griffin
August 31st, 2016, 9:04 AM
So Lee Grant has joined Stoke on loan :wtf:

Simon
August 31st, 2016, 11:47 AM
Plenty of madness going on today, looks like four or five PL teams are going to break their transfer record.

Peter Griffin
August 31st, 2016, 11:55 AM
Well one already did.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrMnuMiXEAABsCf.jpg

:barf:

Andy
August 31st, 2016, 1:37 PM
Luiz to Chelsea is a very strange one. The guy proved, seemingly beyond doubt, that he was completely unsuited to the Premier League.

If Wilshere can stay fit then Bournemouth have obviously done very well. It concerns me that we've let the go of the only player capable of moving past people with the ball in central midfield though. Fingers crossed it works out well for both.

El Capitano Gatisto
August 31st, 2016, 3:02 PM
Luiz has apparently been shithouse in Ligue Un as well. Fucking weird. There's a lot of dodgey stuff goes on with some of these transfers I think, more about agents and various shady characters making money than footballing decisions.

Simon
August 31st, 2016, 4:02 PM
Mustafi just got injured on international duty for Germany :D

RuneEdge
August 31st, 2016, 4:11 PM
Apparently so did Mkhitaryan. :(

RuneEdge
August 31st, 2016, 5:27 PM
Sissoko's agreed to the move to Spurs. :panic:

Simon
August 31st, 2016, 5:28 PM
Sissoko living up to his bastard reputation by turning off his phone when Everton tried to call him :lol:

MMH
August 31st, 2016, 5:31 PM
Cant say I am particularly upset with that. Sissoko is a massive phoney.

Simon
August 31st, 2016, 5:41 PM
I'm in two minds...while there have to be major misgivings about Sissoko given the way he's (not) played for Newcastle over the past couple of years, it's worth remembering that this time last year Dembele was a busted flush who would never reach his potential - in the space of a season Pochettino turned him into one of the best midfielders in the league. If - and it's a big if - he can do a similar job on Sissoko, I've no doubt there's a fantastic player in there somewhere. If not, it's an awful lot of money to spend on someone who only turns up once every couple of months.

son_of_foley
August 31st, 2016, 5:46 PM
Pretty sure they just said this is an amazing day for Bournemouth as they've signed someone who has the calibre of having played in the premier league....I know it's live but jesus Christ

son_of_foley
August 31st, 2016, 5:47 PM
Liverpool have fun fucked a fair few out haven't they

MMH
August 31st, 2016, 5:58 PM
I'm in two minds...while there have to be major misgivings about Sissoko given the way he's (not) played for Newcastle over the past couple of years, it's worth remembering that this time last year Dembele was a busted flush who would never reach his potential - in the space of a season Pochettino turned him into one of the best midfielders in the league. If - and it's a big if - he can do a similar job on Sissoko, I've no doubt there's a fantastic player in there somewhere. If not, it's an awful lot of money to spend on someone who only turns up once every couple of months.

I have no doubt that he is a talented player when he wants to be.

He also seems to be a bit of a knobhead so I'm not overly concerned.

Oh we have signed Enner Valencia. Ok.

Peter Griffin
August 31st, 2016, 6:25 PM
Vydra and Anya, Pace seems to be the order of the day!

Gary J
August 31st, 2016, 6:29 PM
Sissoko living up to his bastard reputation by turning off his phone when Everton tried to call him :lol:

Not the first time he's gone missing.

Everton have has a good window despite what Sky are saying about how disappointed Koeman should be.

They got Bolasie , Williams , Gueye , Stekelenburg , Valencia, and Lukaku and Barkley stayed.

Peter Griffin
August 31st, 2016, 6:34 PM
Hmmm how has Alonso gone from squad player at Bolton to Chelsea? Well I guess he's improved but still.

Chris Scott
August 31st, 2016, 7:12 PM
We should've went after him, decent player.

Mik
August 31st, 2016, 7:16 PM
He was great when he played at Sunderland a couple of seasons ago. Had the best stats in the league I believe.

Simon
September 2nd, 2016, 5:55 PM
Moyes is such a dickhead. All this bollocks about iPads and scouting databases and the first thing he does is sign some has-beens and never-weres from his old clubs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37262370

:lol:

El Capitano Gatisto
September 2nd, 2016, 6:10 PM
Jesus Christ.

Next up is Kevin Campbell, Tim Cahill and Tony Hibbert.

Rip
September 3rd, 2016, 3:56 PM
Sunderland look done this year, I really hoped both they and Boro would stay up till we join them next year, but this window looks a disaster for them. Spoke to my brother in law today and he just gibbered when I brought up their latest signing, he lives in terror of someone clattering Defoe as without him he thinks they just wouldn't score and to have lost Borini to a stupid injury then replaced him with a lad who hasn't kicked a ball in months hit him right in the nuts

Mik
September 3rd, 2016, 5:08 PM
If Defoe gets injured we will be screwed. If he doesn't get injured, we're just probably screwed.

The Rosk
September 3rd, 2016, 5:13 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37262370

:lol:

35 goals in 228 games.

Striker Victor Anichebe.

Peter Griffin
September 3rd, 2016, 5:55 PM
To think he turned down Derby to stay in the prem, such a shame :D

Rip
September 3rd, 2016, 6:20 PM
If Defoe gets injured we will be screwed. If he doesn't get injured, we're just probably screwed.

The way this season has started Fat Sam will recall him and he'll get his foot run over by the England team bus.

son_of_foley
September 4th, 2016, 8:04 AM
I think Sunderland will probably have enough to stay up. West Brom look solid but quite poor. Chadli will be important with Phillips as the midfield creates nothing and there's no real fullbacks

RuneEdge
May 25th, 2017, 5:26 PM
Apparently Jose's been tapping up Justin Kluivert. :shifty:

son_of_foley
May 26th, 2017, 2:22 AM
I think Sunderland will probably have enough to stay up. West Brom look solid but quite poor. Chadli will be important with Phillips as the midfield creates nothing and there's no real fullbacks

This was good from me

Romford Pele
May 26th, 2017, 3:46 AM
Janssen is going to be great. We're signing this Marseille guy that we agreed a fee for a month ago and has been training with us ever since...never seem him play but he's a quick wide man.

Ahahahah

Simon
May 26th, 2017, 3:47 AM
Success story.

Simon
May 26th, 2017, 3:50 AM
I'm in two minds...while there have to be major misgivings about Sissoko given the way he's (not) played for Newcastle over the past couple of years, it's worth remembering that this time last year Dembele was a busted flush who would never reach his potential - in the space of a season Pochettino turned him into one of the best midfielders in the league. If - and it's a big if - he can do a similar job on Sissoko, I've no doubt there's a fantastic player in there somewhere. If not, it's an awful lot of money to spend on someone who only turns up once every couple of months.

Smashed it with this shout as well. Fantastic player in there somewhere...that somewhere being down by the corner flag if you're trying to kill the game late on, because all he seems to be good for is protecting the ball to waste time.

Romford Pele
May 26th, 2017, 5:08 AM
Success story.

Successful at being complete crap, yes.

son_of_foley
May 26th, 2017, 12:02 PM
Bernardo Silva then. He's a very good player I'm just struggling to work out where he goes when you have de bruyne and silva already.

You assume someone will go out wide and someone will play closer to a 10 maybe de bruyne stays deeper

BBF
May 26th, 2017, 12:17 PM
Successful at being complete crap, yes.

you know he was taking the piss, right?

RuneEdge
May 26th, 2017, 12:21 PM
Bernardo Silva then. He's a very good player I'm just struggling to work out where he goes when you have de bruyne and silva already.

You assume someone will go out wide and someone will play closer to a 10 maybe de bruyne stays deeper

Isn't he a right winger?

son_of_foley
May 26th, 2017, 12:27 PM
Isn't he a right winger?

Remember him playing 10-ish in euro under 21s 2 years ago. Really shone there.

If it's a replacement for navas it's an upgrade but there's a lot of players there so some one will be unhappy

Peter Griffin
May 26th, 2017, 12:41 PM
you know he was taking the piss, right?

Can add sarcasm to the impaired list along with analogy.

Simon
May 26th, 2017, 1:02 PM
He plays inside right for Monaco. He's better than Sane and is probably the long term replacement for Silva as they are similar. He's really, really good. A player I dared to believe we might have a chance of signing but suspected he might already have advanced beyond our reach. TBH I think if he had been patient he might even have done better than City, he's that good. Considering Gomes gets games at Barca for example.

Simon
May 26th, 2017, 1:03 PM
Successful at being complete crap, yes.

Good one mate. Smashed it.

son_of_foley
May 26th, 2017, 2:49 PM
He's an incredibly classy little player. Excited about him playing in pl next year

I will cry tears if aguero goes though. Man is a monster. Don't get me wrong Gabriel jesus looks like he'll be a star but Sergio is everything

Peter Griffin
May 26th, 2017, 4:15 PM
BLUES OR BLUE MOVIE?

Birmingham boss Harry Redknapp has admitted he is considering signing Benoit Assou-Ekotto - but claimed the left-back wants to become a porn star.

The 70-year-old says he has been offered the chance to bring the Cameroon defender, who he worked with at Tottenham and QPR, to St Andrew's.

Assou-Ekotto is out of contract with Ligue 1 side Metz and Redknapp has already been offered the 33-year-old ahead of next season's Sky Bet Championship campaign.

A jovial Redknapp told the Spurs Show podcast: "I got a phone call, 'Mr Redknapp I have a fantastic player for you, one of your old players, Benoit'.

"I'm thinking, 'yeah', somewhere inside you think 'I can get him going again'. The only trouble is that he's admitted he wants to be a porn star.

"Maybe I can get another year out of him before he decides to do that. What a good player. He could well end up in the Birmingham colours next year, Benoit."

:lol:

Romford Pele
May 26th, 2017, 4:53 PM
Can add sarcasm to the impaired list along with analogy.

Along with rage on yours

Romford Pele
May 26th, 2017, 4:53 PM
you know he was taking the piss, right?

Yep no need to try and troll as usual ta

Romford Pele
May 26th, 2017, 4:54 PM
Good one mate. Smashed it.

Top one

Peter Griffin
May 26th, 2017, 4:55 PM
Along with rage on yours

Good one.

Peter Griffin
May 26th, 2017, 4:56 PM
Hold on, If I was rage impaired, Wouldn't I have no rage?

Matthew
May 27th, 2017, 1:23 AM
nah you are like cyclops, who is vision impaired. but his vision also can kill you if you take off his glasses

RuneEdge
May 27th, 2017, 7:53 AM
So then what do you wear to contain the rage?

Simon
June 1st, 2017, 5:36 PM
Arsenal have bid €100m for Mbappe. Hope Monaco accept it so we can all have a laugh at Arsenal desperately trying to pull the plug on a deal they have no intention of doing.

Andy
June 1st, 2017, 6:38 PM
I'd be stunned if it was true. Really really can't see it.

RuneEdge
June 2nd, 2017, 12:57 AM
Probably Monaco putting these stories out there. I still don't believe anyone would pay more than 50m for a 18 year old. Monaco will want to cash in on the hype right now and hope to get more.

RFF Champ
June 2nd, 2017, 3:09 AM
Probably Monaco putting these stories out there. I still don't believe anyone would pay more than 50m for a 18 year old. Monaco will want to cash in on the hype right now and hope to get more.

If Wenger had bought him for 10mil last year then he'd be slammed for not spending money and showing no ambition. 12 months on and a whole lot more money for the exact same player and they'd love it.

Simon
June 2nd, 2017, 3:49 AM
Well yeah, because a year ago no one had heard of him and now he''s a league winner and established striker at the highest level...what is your point? The fans' pespective is obviously going to change in that time.

Slare
June 2nd, 2017, 3:59 AM
Yeah if he had spent 10 million on Messi in 2002 I'm sure some questions would've been asked too. What an odd point.

son_of_foley
June 2nd, 2017, 4:23 AM
It's not that odd a point. Arsenal are rumoured to be signing that striker from Belguim right for 7m or whatever it is and he will get mocked for it. The fans want to make a statement and do something more immediate but his point is more about how you can lose sight on the actual players if you're main focus is 'status' or 'intent'

Simon
June 2nd, 2017, 4:40 AM
Because right now Arsenal fans understandably want a definite, not a maybe. Yeah, this Belgian kid might be brilliant and in a year's time people will be talking about what a genius Wenger is...but he might not. In fact it's much more likely that he won't. Whereas spending 50m or whatever on an established top-end player is much more likely to improve the side.

RuneEdge
June 2nd, 2017, 4:54 AM
I dunno. Transfers like Sterling, Stones, Di Maria, etc haven't worked out so well. It goes both ways.

son_of_foley
June 2nd, 2017, 4:54 AM
I think it's a little early to call Mbappe established it's been 1 season. I'm not saying he's not good but it's clearly a massive risk to be offering that amount at this stage

RuneEdge
June 2nd, 2017, 4:57 AM
When you pay that much, you're expecting a Suarez, Bale, Neymar, Lewandowski, etc.

Mik
June 2nd, 2017, 5:06 AM
Not in this transfer climate anymore you're not. Bog standard centre halfs go for 20m, so a young and good striker must go for twice that easily.

Mik
June 2nd, 2017, 5:08 AM
When you pay that much, you're expecting a Suarez, Bale, Neymar, Lewandowski, etc.

I mean come on, when you spend that much you're expecting a Bale...who went for 85m four years ago. If you're expecting a Bale for 50m then you're crazy.

son_of_foley
June 2nd, 2017, 5:12 AM
The bid was rumoured to be 86m

Mik
June 2nd, 2017, 5:15 AM
My apologies. Saw Simon post 50m and thought that was the bid we were talking about. Not reading so well this morning.

son_of_foley
June 2nd, 2017, 5:32 AM
My apologies. Saw Simon post 50m and thought that was the bid we were talking about. Not reading so well this morning.

You saw Runedge and lost it.

I'd waited long enough. I f****** hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c***.

^^ That's you mate

Mik
June 2nd, 2017, 5:34 AM
I didn't even know it was RuneEdge, who is RuneEdge?

son_of_foley
June 2nd, 2017, 5:35 AM
Got my eyes on you

Simon
June 2nd, 2017, 5:36 AM
Whose name is RuneEdge?

http://snappa.static.pressassociation.io/assets/2015/05/30201615/1433013371-ca0af9f1d74aa7fc57786f65c397f1be-600x841.jpg

Romford Pele
June 2nd, 2017, 5:44 AM
Arsenal have bid 100m for Mbappe. Hope Monaco accept it so we can all have a laugh at Arsenal desperately trying to pull the plug on a deal they have no intention of doing.

:lol:

Hlebsfall
June 2nd, 2017, 6:21 AM
Apparently it was less than what Madrid had already offered. Another one to go in the nearly signed XI

Romford Pele
June 2nd, 2017, 7:05 AM
Funny how these stories come out right at season ticket renewal time isnt it.

Red Dog
June 2nd, 2017, 7:14 AM
Funny how these stories come out right at season ticket renewal time isnt it.

What, the summer?

RFF Champ
June 2nd, 2017, 7:21 AM
Well yeah, because a year ago no one had heard of him and now he''s a league winner and established striker at the highest level...what is your point? The fans' pespective is obviously going to change in that time.

Established? He hasn't started 20 league games. It's 1.5milEUR for every shot he's taken in senior football.

Simon
June 2nd, 2017, 7:32 AM
In the past year he's made himself an automatic starter for one of the best teams in Europe, helped fire them to the league title, scored six goals in six games against Man City, Dortmund and Juventus and been capped for one of the strongest international sides in the world. I'd say he's fairly well established. The price is obviously enormous, but that's because it acknowledges both how good he already he is, and how much better he's capable of getting. Again, I question what relevance your earlier point had. It's ridiculous to criticise Arsenal fans for being more positive on a player they've seen score a ton of goals against top sides than a player they'd never heard of.

RuneEdge
June 2nd, 2017, 7:55 AM
I look at him as one of like a half dozen young talents in Europe who all have had that one good season that attracts attention, with the difference being that Mbappe's done it in a Monaco side that went far in the CL. And a side that's playing really well irrespective of Mbappe's contribution.
Reminds me of how good Memphis Depay looked during his last season at PSV, and then how things turned out with a new team and new levels of pressure. Now of course Mbappe would very well move to a top team and completely smash it, but is that risk worth paying 100m+ for?

Simon
June 2nd, 2017, 8:16 AM
Well it's a risk, but generally if the money is stupid high like that and literally all the top teams are bidding, you can be reasonably sure that it's a player so good that the risk is negligible. The most obvious comparison is Neymar I guess - more first-team games under his belt than Mbappe, but obviously lacked the CL experience that Mbappe has. Both players that the scouts of every major club agreed were ones you absolutely must try to sign, regardless of the money involved.

The Depay comparison doesn't stand up - inferior league, no CL experience...that's the point I'm making with Mbappe; you're not just buying potential, you're buying a player who is ALREADY brilliant. The potential element is just a question of how much better he can become. His record last season was crazy for an 18 year old, scoring consistently in huge games in the Champions League and playing a vital role in winning the league for Monaco (it's unfair to dismiss his contribution, obviously they have a lot of good players but IMO him and Bernardo Silva are the two stand-outs ahead of the full backs and the two defensive mids). With Depay it was a player who looked like he could potentially be brilliant (and he still might, apparently he's been very good for Lyon) but hadn't had the opportunity to show whether or not he can do it.

I'm not going to lie, I was a little suspicious of the Mbappe hype at first too, because he came seemingly from nowhere...but you can't argue with the quality he has shown, not just in his stats but in his all-round performance. The first game against Juventus he scared the bollocks out of the best defence in Europe, they just couldn't handle him. There's nothing about him that suggests a flash in the pan who just happened to score a couple of high-profile goals; he looks like the real deal, the closest I've seen in style to Real Ronaldo since he retired.

_me
June 2nd, 2017, 9:27 AM
Apparently it was less than what Madrid had already offered. Another one to go in the nearly signed XI
This is all I noticed too. Super cynical move to say they did something without actually having to do something.

son_of_foley
June 2nd, 2017, 9:43 AM
Are we suggesting Real Madrid have made a world record bid for him?

Currently 105 right? And Arsenal quoted as bidding 100

RuneEdge
June 2nd, 2017, 9:44 AM
@Simon
There's no denying that the league in France is a step up from the Dutch league, but people see these vines and clips of Mbappe destroying Ligue 1 defenders, and to me that's not convincing enough show that he'll do the same if he moved another step up to either England, Spain or Germany. Outside the CL matches, the only other full game from Mbappe I've seen was Monaco vs PSG, and he had a quiet game. And even in the CL games, he had great moments but not exactly 90 minutes of MOTM quality performances. And also, a lot of his games have been sub appearances coming on in the second half, and it was only in the latter half of the season where he began to start games more consistently. Which is why its only now that people are talking about him. Its sort of like the impact Rashford initially made when no one even knew who he was, but then all of a sudden he makes his first appearance in like February/March of last year and he became an instant hit. From that point onwards, he was getting a lot more game time and starting more till the end of the season due to his performances. I don't know if its because he was fresh at that stage of the season, or because opposition teams didn't know who he was, but the manner in which he came in definitely helped. 12 months on with a whole proper season under his belt, Rashford hasn't found it as easy as before. The pressure of having to start nearly all the games, opposing players having greater knowledge of his play, generally having more responsibilities, all have shown to be a tougher test for Rashford. I personally want to see Mbappe deal with this with Monaco next season for the length of the whole campaign.
The thing with Depay was just that it reminded me how one moment he could look really good prior to the transfer, and then the next he turns out to be average. So much so that when I see great young players today like Mbappe, its not so hard for me to imagine them not being able to live up to the hype after a big move. Mbappe doesn't look so good that I feel there's no way he won't deliver.

Peter Griffin
June 2nd, 2017, 9:51 AM
Are we suggesting Real Madrid have made a world record bid for him?

Currently 105 right? And Arsenal quoted as bidding 100

Pogba was about 93 million wasn't it?

Romford Pele
June 7th, 2017, 1:44 PM
Some rumours Sanchez will sign for Man City in the next few days.

Surely the Arsenal board arent that dense are they?

RuneEdge
June 7th, 2017, 2:34 PM
Won't be the first time that's been asked.

Romford Pele
June 7th, 2017, 2:39 PM
If you have to sell him, at least sell him abroad. You would think they might have learnt from the RVP situation

Chris Scott
June 7th, 2017, 2:49 PM
Hahahahaha what a joke we are when it comes to signing players.

RuneEdge
June 7th, 2017, 2:56 PM
If you have to sell him, at least sell him abroad. You would think they might have learnt from the RVP situation
To be fair, I think the way you have to look at it is that the top 3 teams (Chelsea, City, and maybe Spurs) are probably going to secure a higher finish regardless of whether they get Sanchez off of you. I'd be more worried if one of the other teams like say Man Utd took Sanchez, as that would allow them to overtake you and cost you a top 4 finish.
Unless you believe Wenger's nonsense about going for the title (again) next season. In which case its stupid to even want to sell the player at all.

Simon
June 13th, 2017, 7:06 AM
Pickford to Everton for 30m. Good move I reckon.

MikeHunt
June 13th, 2017, 7:17 AM
ridiculous price.

Murphy
June 13th, 2017, 7:30 AM
Hart won't be going to Everton then.

No idea where he'll be playing next season. Sunderland? :D

son_of_foley
June 13th, 2017, 7:57 AM
Think it's a good move. Seems a lot currently but probably will become par

son_of_foley
June 13th, 2017, 7:58 AM
3rd most expensive keeper in history
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10908429/the-most-expensive-goalkeeper-transfers-of-all-time

Peter Griffin
June 13th, 2017, 10:25 AM
Sky sources saying our initial bid for Wisdom rejected, However both clubs keen do do a deal and player keen to move as he enjoyed his loan spell in 13/14. I haven't tracked his loans since but I very much rated him when he was with us last, Hope this goes through.

Simon
June 13th, 2017, 10:30 AM
3rd most expensive keeper in history
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10908429/the-most-expensive-goalkeeper-transfers-of-all-time

I find it really weird how underpriced goalkeepers seem to be. Is it just the fact that there are so many good keepers about, is it a relatively 'easy' position? Because it's one of the most important positions on the field, one that you don't tend to rotate and which has a longer shelf life than outfield positions, and yet the transfer record stood for 16 years.

son_of_foley
June 13th, 2017, 10:38 AM
It still is standing technically as it was 50m euros. It's only been broken in pounds due to the exchange rate fluctuations but as no English club was involved in that first deal I'm not sure it should matter!

I think it's a position that doesn't offer a massive change in your fortunes unless your current one is really fucking up. Maybe that's too basic a statement but I can't think of many decent defenses who suddenly became fantastic just because of a new keeper.

Simon
June 13th, 2017, 10:46 AM
I dunno man, a lot of bad teams have been kept afloat by fantastic goalkeepers. Kahn at the 2002 World Cup springs to mind. But presumably you must be right, there has to be a reason why they never go for much. I used to think it was an image rights issue, with goalkeepers less valuable because they aren't the players you see on the front of FIFA or advertising boots...but nowadays centre backs can go for an absolute fortune and most of those aren't superstars either. I find it weird that full backs don't cost a fortune nowadays as well, given that the lack of wingers in most teams means the full backs are incredibly important to most sides.

Mik
June 13th, 2017, 12:20 PM
Pickford to Everton for 30m. Good move I reckon.

Not for us.

Peter Griffin
June 21st, 2017, 8:24 AM
Looks like Hughesy is off to Watford :cry:

Simon
June 21st, 2017, 8:55 AM
All those links to Liverpool and he ends up at Watford :lol:

Beefy
June 21st, 2017, 8:58 AM
Both mid-ranking Premier League clubs, tbf. Watford is a way nicer part of the country though. No brainer decision.

Peter Griffin
June 21st, 2017, 9:05 AM
In fairness, Before he did his cruciate in 2015 he was still very much on the up, Somehow last year he didn't quite seem the same to me. That, And he said last year he wouldn't go to a bug club just to sit on the bench, So yeh I wish him luck.

Simon
June 21st, 2017, 9:07 AM
It just seems weird that he was hyped for so long and never got the move until now, did he have a lot of injuries? I remember seeing him in the play-offs against Brighton a couple of years ago and he was so much better than everyone else on the pitch it was sort of embarrassing.

son_of_foley
June 21st, 2017, 9:11 AM
No just that one really. The main issue is he was getting games with us and was loved so I don't think he pushed for the move. The style of play has changed a lot and probably to his detriment a bit which is weird because he's a wonderful player. He can dictate play so smartly and he's so clever with the ball. He needs to round some things out and either get more assists or impose himself a bit more physically but I love him and it's going to be sad when he does finally go

I see this now after posting in football league thread apologies.

Peter Griffin
June 21st, 2017, 9:12 AM
Other than the cruciate, I wouldn't say a lot, Though he did seem to get fairly regular 'niggles'. I think after those play offs he seemed to be put in a more holding role at times, And that hurt him imo, Let him attack and take on players.

Red Dog
June 22nd, 2017, 3:30 AM
Derby have historically played pretty nice football under recent previous managers but now they are basically a kick and rush team so he doesn't fit into the plans. He rarely played under Rowett.

He is a decent player but Derby fans have horrendously overrated him for years, to laughable proportions. They even thought Barcelona were going to bid for him at one point.

I think a move to Watford is a realistic level, its a bigger club and he will be a solid rotational player for them but obviously he isn't good enough standard for a team like Liverpool.

Peter Griffin
June 22nd, 2017, 4:27 AM
Good try.

Simon
June 22nd, 2017, 5:08 AM
Everton are signing Sandro from Malaga for barely 5m. I saw a fair bit of him for Barca and he looked class obviously struggled to get games there but went to Malaga last season and did well...that is a really, really good signing, for a ridiculously low price.

son_of_foley
June 22nd, 2017, 10:42 AM
Good try.

This is progress mate.

Red Dog
June 22nd, 2017, 12:35 PM
It actually is.

However, everything I wrote is factual so it is a shame he is unable to engage in debate yet.

son_of_foley
June 23rd, 2017, 9:45 AM
It actually is.

However, everything I wrote is factual so it is a shame he is unable to engage in debate yet.

We aren't a kick and rush team though. We're more pragmatic than before but we've played teams off the pitch under Rowett and hopefully will continue to do so.

Peter Griffin
June 23rd, 2017, 10:35 AM
Plus ya know, Nothing he said was factual, just misinformed nonsense based on him finding a few divvy fans opinions and basically passing them off as all Derby fans. Anyway there seems to be a suggestion of bringing in Whelan or Ledley to add 'steel' to the midfield. Whelan is more likely I feel as Ledley could get a contract at a lower premier team at least.

Murphy
June 26th, 2017, 9:40 AM
I assume there isn't much in it, but the odds of Harry Kane going to Utd this summer have dropped from 20/1 to 6/1.

Simon
June 26th, 2017, 10:00 AM
Not happening. Money to be made there in betting against it at those odds. We won't sell to anyone let alone United, and Kane doesn't want to leave. Of all our players he is probably the one I'm least worried about losing.

Murphy
June 26th, 2017, 10:08 AM
I said the same this morning. I could see any of the others going, really, but not Kane. Not now anyway.

turdpower
June 26th, 2017, 6:37 PM
I'd love it if we went all-balls-out for Kane.

Can't see it.

son_of_foley
June 27th, 2017, 3:35 AM
Seems like Everton are going for Spurs old recruitment drive of just signing everyone english under the age of 22

wardy
June 28th, 2017, 2:43 PM
Kyle Lafferty to Hearts is a weird one. Thought he'd go to Rangers or an English Championship team.

son_of_foley
June 28th, 2017, 2:55 PM
Brendan Rodgers just shit himself a little

Beefy
June 28th, 2017, 3:30 PM
We've signed Michael Turner apparently

son_of_foley
June 29th, 2017, 9:57 AM
Seems like Everton are going for Spurs old recruitment drive of just signing everyone english under the age of 22

They might just be signing everyone lads.

Jesus it's a lot of business they've done especially if they also get Sandro in. Assuming that might be enough to let Lukaku go...

Simon
June 29th, 2017, 10:17 AM
Seems like they're doing what we did with Bale, getting players in before making the big sale. Makes sense, all of those players would cost more if Everton have just made 100m on Lukaku and Barkley.

son_of_foley
June 29th, 2017, 10:20 AM
Deulofeu to go as well it seems.

son_of_foley
June 30th, 2017, 4:02 AM
Rumours that both Keogh (Sheffield Wed) and Tom Ince ( Huddersfield) to be confirmed within the week.

He's giving himself a hell of a job is Rowett but think something needs to be done otherwise the squad could collapse on itself in a few years in terms of age/wages etc

Simon
June 30th, 2017, 4:52 AM
You're signing Caulker I read? Presumably due to his issues you'll get him at a low price, if he gets his head right as it seems he is ready to, you'll have a superb player on your hands.

son_of_foley
June 30th, 2017, 5:05 AM
You're signing Caulker I read? Presumably due to his issues you'll get him at a low price, if he gets his head right as it seems he is ready to, you'll have a superb player on your hands.

That's the rumor so if that happened he would be lining up beside Curtis Davies and Andre Wisom playing RB or third CB if we go that way.

wardy
June 30th, 2017, 9:55 AM
We'll have Caulker thanks.

Romford Pele
July 3rd, 2017, 6:21 AM
Looks like Lacazette is on his way then. 50m record signing, lets hope the goals keep flowing in the Premier League.

Shame Ox has rejected a new deal though.

Chris Scott
July 3rd, 2017, 7:10 AM
Ox coming us mate, would love that happen. He'd be brilliant with Klopp as his manager.

Romford Pele
July 3rd, 2017, 7:22 AM
Could happen, would he play centre mid though?

Terry has signed for Villa.

Chris Scott
July 3rd, 2017, 8:36 AM
I think he will mate, I'm thinking he'll stick him thetr mid with Mane and Salah on wings and Couninhio behind Firmino. Fuck me that's some pace that.

Hlebsfall
July 3rd, 2017, 8:51 AM
Villa with a solid shout for most cringeworthy social media post of the decade.

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/881840731551391744

son_of_foley
July 3rd, 2017, 8:55 AM
Horrendous

Romford Pele
July 3rd, 2017, 8:56 AM
That is worse than the Arsenal kit launch.

RuneEdge
July 3rd, 2017, 9:32 AM
Should've done a video with Stormzy.

Chris Scott
July 3rd, 2017, 12:06 PM
Villa with a solid shout for most cringeworthy social media post of the decade.

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/881840731551391744

That's embarrassing that, fucks sake.

Gary J
July 3rd, 2017, 12:37 PM
Looks like Lacazette is on his way then. 50m record signing, lets hope the goals keep flowing in the Premier League.

Shame Ox has rejected a new deal though.

Typical Arsenal smashing their transfer record a whole 11 months before season tickets go on sale.

Simon
July 3rd, 2017, 12:55 PM
:lol:

Ringo
July 3rd, 2017, 1:45 PM
Villa with a solid shout for most cringeworthy social media post of the decade.

https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/881840731551391744

Also enjoyed this reply:


Macca‏
@The_Paris_Angel
Replying to @AVFCOfficial
Paul McGrath is a recovering alcoholic and something like this could send him over the edge again. I don't see the funny side of it at all.

MMH
July 3rd, 2017, 2:34 PM
Ugh, we have not signed anyone for at least 2 hours.

Worst window ever.

Rip
July 3rd, 2017, 2:59 PM
Everton do look like they're really building for a push, what's your opinion on Rooney, you think he'll really come back or he's just fishing for Chinese money?

son_of_foley
July 3rd, 2017, 3:08 PM
Ugh, we have not signed anyone for at least 2 hours.

Worst window ever.

You just signed Keane so yeah....

MMH
July 3rd, 2017, 3:12 PM
Everton do look like they're really building for a push, what's your opinion on Rooney, you think he'll really come back or he's just fishing for Chinese money?

I will be fuming if we sign him.

My head says he has been finished for a good while, he heart says he is a complete twat who doesnt deserve his little prodigal son story.

Also he will have to be brilliant for us straight from the start or our fans will start remembering that he is a badge kissing granny shagging tit.

MMH
July 3rd, 2017, 3:13 PM
You just signed Keane so yeah....

Tut, only Keane?

son_of_foley
July 3rd, 2017, 3:14 PM
Fuck Wayne Rooney

RuneEdge
July 3rd, 2017, 3:15 PM
Everton do look like they're really building for a push, what's your opinion on Rooney, you think he'll really come back or he's just fishing for Chinese money?

Judging by the way he was playing for United, he's not good enough for Everton any more. It was kinda sad to see him in that Carrick testimonial where he literally looked worse than some of the retired players on that pitch.

Rip
July 3rd, 2017, 3:18 PM
The fees for Keane and Pickford are mental.

30m for Pickford just seems crazy for a player who's played one season in the premier league

MMH
July 3rd, 2017, 3:23 PM
They are. Thats just football these days though I suppose.

Funnily enough even with 2 good signing today the best thing to happen was this.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/259605.jpg

RuneEdge
July 3rd, 2017, 3:24 PM
Over paying for young English players seems like the norm these days, and that's before factoring in the inflating transfer fees we've seen over the last 18 months.
Having said that, 30m for Pickford is crazy when you compare that to other keepers around the world. I can't remember exactly but wasn't around 30m what Madrid were about to pay for De Gea a couple of years ago before the dodgy fax machine broke down the transfer on deadline day?

Rip
July 3rd, 2017, 3:39 PM
They are. Thats just football these days though I suppose.

Funnily enough even with 2 good signing today the best thing to happen was this.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/259605.jpg
Saw that on twitter, nice to see.

Rip
July 3rd, 2017, 3:42 PM
Over paying for young English players seems like the norm these days, and that's before factoring in the inflating transfer fees we've seen over the last 18 months.
Having said that, 30m for Pickford is crazy when you compare that to other keepers around the world. I can't remember exactly but wasn't around 30m what Madrid were about to pay for De Gea a couple of years ago before the dodgy fax machine broke down the transfer on deadline day?

It's nuts, we've got Woodman going out on loan this year to get more experience but in all honesty he's probably better than half the keepers in the prem now, how much is he going to be worth in a couple of years?

son_of_foley
July 3rd, 2017, 4:13 PM
Which keepers would you say he's better than

Simon
July 3rd, 2017, 4:43 PM
They are. Thats just football these days though I suppose.

Funnily enough even with 2 good signing today the best thing to happen was this.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/259605.jpg

:yes: really happy for him.

Rip
July 3rd, 2017, 4:57 PM
Which keepers would you say he's better than

He's excellent under crosses, commands the area well, can play a little with the ball at feet and is a very good shot stopper, his only real issue is age and experience, he's as good as Pickford so take it from there.

son_of_foley
July 3rd, 2017, 5:07 PM
That seems a bit outlandish

Rip
July 3rd, 2017, 5:54 PM
Not really, Pickford wasn't supposed to play this season but for an injury to Minone he'd have probably still been at Sunderland as a backup, or been loaned out again at Christmas, until lucky circumstances this year he'd been bouncing around the loan circuit.

Beefy
July 3rd, 2017, 7:33 PM
I don't get why people go on about transfer fees any more. Since the last TV deal these clubs have bottomless pits of money to spend.

Torn
July 3rd, 2017, 7:41 PM
Yeah it's a bit mind numbing hearing it over and over again. Money in football has gone up considerably so the fees have gone along with it. 30m for Pickford is only crazy when compared to past deals before the big TV deal was in place, but those numbers are irrelevant to today's market - Championship clubs are spending half that money like it's nothing on players from the same league (Kodjia for 15m etc) so why is it that absurd for a top Premier League club to spend double that on an outstanding young keeper who has performed at the highest level?

Torn
July 3rd, 2017, 7:43 PM
He's excellent under crosses, commands the area well, can play a little with the ball at feet and is a very good shot stopper, his only real issue is age and experience, he's as good as Pickford so take it from there.

This is such shit, you have nothing to base this claim on, he's played a handful of League Two and Scottish Premiership games. At this point you can't even say he's better than someone like Dan Bentley who has played very well at a higher standard of football for a lot longer let alone half the Premiership!

Torn
July 3rd, 2017, 7:54 PM
Michael Keane - 25m

Meanwhile
Lindelof - 30m
Nathan Ake - 20m

Just bloody sick of people overpaying for young English talent tbh

son_of_foley
July 4th, 2017, 1:43 AM
We had Keane on loan and he didn't play much lol same with lingaard

RFF Champ
July 4th, 2017, 2:24 AM
I feel for Ben Mee in all of this.

son_of_foley
July 4th, 2017, 4:00 AM
It's always mee, mee, mee with you

RuneEdge
July 4th, 2017, 7:17 PM
Rumours coming out tonight that Rooney and Giroud are about to complete their moves to Everton. I think The Sun are the source so it's probably a load of bollocks. The story is that Rooney's on a free, while Giroud will come in for 20m.

Torn
July 4th, 2017, 7:48 PM
I feel for Ben Mee in all of this.

He will have Tarkowski to partner him now. The fucking SNAKE.

Romford Pele
July 5th, 2017, 3:05 AM
Rumours coming out tonight that Rooney and Giroud are about to complete their moves to Everton. I think The Sun are the source so it's probably a load of bollocks. The story is that Rooney's on a free, while Giroud will come in for 20m.

Everton are mugs paying 250k a week to Rooney. Have they not watched him the past couple of years.

Shame to see Giroud go, useful player even if he would be a sub at this point. If he is sold then wonder if Alexis will stay.

RFF Champ
July 5th, 2017, 3:10 AM
Surprised Pepe has ended up at Besiktas. Thought he could do better.

son_of_foley
July 5th, 2017, 3:51 AM
Yeah bit of a weird one. Aruna Kone to Turkey and looking like Gael Clichy off.

Turkish paper reporting Darren Bent as a target for Sivasspor but they are the ones who signed Kone so seems a bit far fetched

MMH
July 5th, 2017, 4:08 AM
Everton are mugs paying 250k a week to Rooney. Have they not watched him the past couple of years.

Shame to see Giroud go, useful player even if he would be a sub at this point. If he is sold then wonder if Alexis will stay.

No way on earth will we be paying him 250k a week!

Personally I wouldnt have him if he offered to play for nothing.

The Rosk
July 5th, 2017, 4:12 AM
Still can't wrap my head around the fact that we have John Terry. I have hated him with a passion for 15 years, but now he is at my club. I'm confused lads.

Simon
July 5th, 2017, 4:15 AM
Stop supporting them. Only realistic option.

son_of_foley
July 5th, 2017, 4:29 AM
Hopefully his back is so knackered he barely plays

Rip
July 5th, 2017, 4:31 AM
I felt the same when we signed Lee Bowyer, then just as I'd managed to purge the memory we signed Joey bloody Barton.

You'll get through it mate, just stay strong and resist any temptation to join in with the inevitable 'well he's alright really' talk from some of your fellow fans.

Romford Pele
July 5th, 2017, 4:37 AM
No way on earth will we be paying him 250k a week!

Personally I wouldnt have him if he offered to play for nothing.

That is what is being reported. He is on 300k at United so would make sense he would be paid a similar amount to that surely...

The Rosk
July 5th, 2017, 4:53 AM
I saw on my usual VillaBlog site the owner saying "Terry has done nothing that all of us haven't done in our 20s". I don't recall pissing on strangers and being racist and fucking friends over in my 20s.

Not going to that site again.

Simon
July 5th, 2017, 4:56 AM
https://www.suttonunited.net/season-tickets/

Romford Pele
July 5th, 2017, 5:47 AM
You thinking of getting one Simon?

MMH
July 5th, 2017, 5:51 AM
That is what is being reported. He is on 300k at United so would make sense he would be paid a similar amount to that surely...

Depends how much he wants to play for us again I suppose.

We wont pay someone that much.

Simon
July 5th, 2017, 5:54 AM
You thinking of getting one Simon?

No mate, I like my team :yes:

Romford Pele
July 5th, 2017, 6:50 AM
Depends how much he wants to play for us again I suppose.

We wont pay someone that much.

You seem very confident, but with the new owner you have a fair bit of cash and maybe he is looking at shirt sales etc.

The Rosk
July 5th, 2017, 7:14 AM
https://www.suttonunited.net/season-tickets/

Football is bollocks. I'd much rather watch Reech in a trequartista role at the moment.

MMH
July 5th, 2017, 8:37 AM
You seem very confident, but with the new owner you have a fair bit of cash and maybe he is looking at shirt sales etc.

Shirt sales are irrelevant. Our deal with kitbag means we get a set amount each year. We could sell 10 million Rooney shirts (to who I have no idea..) and it still would not make a difference.

Obviously we are spending a bit more this season and will pay a bit more but we wont be tripling our wage structure. It just wont happen, especially for someone who wont be our best player.

RuneEdge
July 5th, 2017, 9:06 AM
The whole "we'll get our money back from shirt sales" thing is a myth. Even with your traditional kit deal, the kit manufacturer gives the club a lump sum every year in exchange for a large percentage of each shirt sale. Companies like Nike and Adidas keep around 80% of the shirt sale income. You'd have to sell a shit load to pay off Rooney's wages.

Anyway, there's still no confirmation on the details of the deal and one story I've read (besides the one where the move would be a free transfer,) is that this might be a loan to Everton, with United paying some of his wages. Which might work out OK for all parties involved.
Assuming we'd be willing to let him go for free, and assuming no one is willing to take him off us due to his high wage demand, the loan could be a good compromise.

Simon
July 5th, 2017, 9:41 AM
The whole "we'll get our money back from shirt sales" thing is a myth. Even with your traditional kit deal, the kit manufacturer gives the club a lump sum every year in exchange for a large percentage of each shirt sale. Companies like Nike and Adidas keep around 80% of the shirt sale income. You'd have to sell a shit load to pay off Rooney's wages.



The shirt sales aren't that important for the reasons already mentioned, but sponsorship and image rights are hugely important. With all players, their clubs take a percentage of the image rights (usually 50/50 I think) and for the superstars this can be an insane amount of money - so basically the club pays an inflated wage, but get it back with interest in the money they make from image rights.

I don't know exactly how this relates to Rooney because he's in a weird situation - a superstar name who is no longer a superstar player (arguably hasn't been for years of course) and so might not be especially valuable in that regard any more; it's unlikely he's going to be on the front of FIFA or heading a Nike campaign again, for example. That sort of thing is what makes a top player worth wages way in excess of what anyone else is worth, and even what you might think they should be worth in terms of their football ability. So yeah you're right that specifically shirt sales are not a big issue, but the general idea of a player's name and image paying for their wages is absolutely huge business.

Beefy
July 5th, 2017, 9:46 AM
Come on now, Rooney is still a huge commercial draw. He's legit one of the most famous players in the World and if you don't think Everton will be pushing his face and image all over sports media to raise their profile across the World then you're deluded.

Rooney has no reason to take a paycut. Pay the man or move on.

Simon
July 5th, 2017, 9:51 AM
You say that Beefy and no doubt he would be pushed by Everton as the superstar he once was...but the HUGE money in terms of worldwide advertising? He's done on that level I would say - Neymar, Ronaldo, Hazard and Ibrahimovic are featured more heavily for Nike, arguably Harry Kane now as well. Obviously he doesn't get the England rub any more either now that he's not getting picked.

I'm not saying he is no longer a hugely recognisable face, but the big companies pay for players who they see as representing their brand and that means people who are currently successful, with an emphasis on youngsters. Rooney is finished in that respect I would say. He has no reason to take a pay cut because he's getting paid a shitload at United because of his status when he signed his latest contract, but that status has diminished now and he has no chance of getting the same sort of contract anywhere else.

As RuneEdge says, United paying part of his wages might be the compromise - say he's on 300k a week now, if he takes a 100k a week pay cut, United pay 100k a week and Everton the remaining 100k a week, maybe everybody's happy - United get 200k a week off the books, Rooney gets back playing while earning more than he could probably get anywhere else, and Everton get an *insert adjective here* player for a wage they can afford within their budget.

Romford Pele
July 5th, 2017, 10:28 AM
Imagine replacing Lukaku with Rooney, fucking hell.

Beefy
July 5th, 2017, 10:32 AM
David Beckham makes more in merchandising/advertising/image rights than any footballer in England and he's not kicked a football in five years.

Simon
July 5th, 2017, 10:41 AM
David Beckham makes more in merchandising/advertising/image rights than any footballer in England and he's not kicked a football in five years.

Even if that is true (source?) that is a ridiculous comparison, Beckham is way beyond Rooney's level of fame and is a more general celebrity than Rooney, partly through choice. He also exploits his image in a way which Rooney will never be able to, because David Beckham looks like David Beckham and Wayne Rooney looks like Wayne Rooney.

Beefy
July 5th, 2017, 10:45 AM
It's ridiculous to the extent that he's David Beckham but still they're the two biggest names in English football the last 20 years by a long shot. Rooney is absolutely a marketable commodity for any club looking to raise their profile in Asia, Africa or the US because he's the only active English player who would be anywhere near to being on the radar in those markets.

Whilst Rooney isn't getting the deals that Ronaldo and Neymar are I don't accept that there's a direct correlation between what a player is doing on the pitch and how marketable they are. We live in a name-brand society and Wayne Rooney is a name-brand.

MMH
July 5th, 2017, 11:15 AM
Come on now, Rooney is still a huge commercial draw. He's legit one of the most famous players in the World and if you don't think Everton will be pushing his face and image all over sports media to raise their profile across the World then you're deluded.

Rooney has no reason to take a paycut. Pay the man or move on.

Manchester United's (and to a lesser extent England Captain) Wayne Rooney is the draw. Nobody will give a fuck about Everton's Wayne Rooney.

The potato headed charisma vacuum is hardly David Beckham is he?

Generally people support football clubs, not football players.

This world wide marketing thing is a myth anyway.

Beefy
July 5th, 2017, 11:18 AM
No one is David Beckham.

Simon
July 5th, 2017, 11:35 AM
This world wide marketing thing is a myth anyway.

It's not. I did a fair bit of reading around it a while ago (I'm a pretty cool guy) and it's serious money, to the extent that we're starting to see people trying to work the system, agents pushing their players towards specific clubs dependent on who the players/clubs are sponsored by with a view to '360 marketing'...I don't remember the full logic off the top of my head but basically they look to get, for example, Adidas players at Adidas clubs so that all of the image money is limited to as few companies as possible. Neymar is touted as a model of the 360 deal, Nike making an absolute fortune out of him as one of their players playing for one of their clubs.

MMH
July 5th, 2017, 11:51 AM
It's not. I did a fair bit of reading around it a while ago (I'm a pretty cool guy) and it's serious money, to the extent that we're starting to see people trying to work the system, agents pushing their players towards specific clubs dependent on who the players/clubs are sponsored by with a view to '360 marketing'...I don't remember the full logic off the top of my head but basically they look to get, for example, Adidas players at Adidas clubs so that all of the image money is limited to as few companies as possible. Neymar is touted as a model of the 360 deal, Nike making an absolute fortune out of him as one of their players playing for one of their clubs.

It works for only a few players at a few clubs. Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar because they are icons. People like Rooney are dependent on the club they play for as the club is the brand.

Hlebsfall
July 5th, 2017, 12:08 PM
Lacazette confirmed. Hopefully he can come up with the goods, though I'm wondering why seemingly no-one else was in for him.

Peter Griffin
July 5th, 2017, 12:09 PM
Lacazette confirmed. Hopefully he can come up with the goods, though I'm wondering why seemingly no-one else was in for him.

FUCK OFF, JESUS.

Ringo
July 5th, 2017, 12:12 PM
#LacaNewSigning

Romford Pele
July 5th, 2017, 4:06 PM
Lacazette confirmed. Hopefully he can come up with the goods, though I'm wondering why seemingly no-one else was in for him.

Atletico Madrid were in for him before the transfer ban. Be interesting now to see who leaves.

Chris Scott
July 5th, 2017, 4:45 PM
Imagine replacing Lukaku with Rooney, fucking hell.

:lol:

RuneEdge
July 5th, 2017, 5:06 PM
It works for only a few players at a few clubs. Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar because they are icons. People like Rooney are dependent on the club they play for as the club is the brand.

Fans of football clubs are loyal, but the ones who follow or fanboy specific players are usually fickle. Players like Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar or even Depay have them because they're still on top or they're still young enough to grow into a top player. Fanboys want to back Depay so they can brag and say "I was there from the start".
Rooney isn't anywhere near that level any more, so his appeal has faded. No one's going to want to fanboy Rooney, in fear of being mocked (cuz he's shit lolz).

People ignore the thought that a new signing will probably not have a huge impact on shirt sales themselves, but rather on what name gets printed on the ones they'll do sell. I can't imagine many people going out and buying an Everton shirt if they weren't previously going to do so. But if you had already decided on getting one, chances are you'll probably get "Rooney" printed on it now. That's the kind of impact people should expect.

RuneEdge
July 5th, 2017, 5:09 PM
FUCK OFF, JESUS.
So if you don't sign anyone, it's "why don't we sign anyone?"
When you do sign someone, it's "why were we able to sign him?"
:lol:

Reech
July 6th, 2017, 5:10 AM
Lukaku to Man U for 75m.

Clive Plasma
July 6th, 2017, 5:26 AM
Reckon Rooney will be part of that deal?

Romford Pele
July 6th, 2017, 6:59 AM
Could well be. Wonder where that leaves Chelsea?

Morata goes there?

MMH
July 6th, 2017, 7:46 AM
We have not accepted the offer....

RuneEdge
July 6th, 2017, 8:16 AM
Can't wait for the dab offs at Old Trafford. :hyper:

Romford Pele
July 6th, 2017, 1:29 PM
We have not accepted the offer....

Its on BBC now MMH, sorry mate...

RuneEdge
July 6th, 2017, 1:48 PM
Its still not actually confirmed. There's sources claiming a deal hasn't been made yet.

MMH
July 6th, 2017, 1:54 PM
Its on BBC now MMH, sorry mate...

It was BBC who broke it. The club say nothing has been arranged.

No need to say sorry! Im not that bothered. He is a good striker obviously but we were fighting it out as best of the rest before he got here, did the same whilst he was here and will do the same (maybe more) when he leaves.

MikeHunt
July 6th, 2017, 4:18 PM
And 75mil is pretty decent. Get a clause where stormsy has to play against you instead of the Roman and you're onto a robbery.

MMH
July 6th, 2017, 4:45 PM
I have heard the name Stormsy aboout 10 times this week and have no idea who that is!

He can be easy to play against. Just play an offside trap/high line and he will stand five yards offside demanding the ball then moans about not receiving it.

RuneEdge
July 6th, 2017, 5:12 PM
This is Stormzy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqQGUJK7Na4

Who also featured in that video with Pogba when his transfer was announced.

Simon
July 6th, 2017, 5:52 PM
Stormzy is the man. His album is fantastic and unlike a lot of grime his music is thoughtful, funny and intelligent. Him being outspoken about his depression has probably saved a shitload of young black boys' lives as well, the most at risk group when it comes to suicide.

MikeHunt
July 6th, 2017, 5:54 PM
But mainstream for you Simon or did you like him before he was NME and radio 1?

Simon
July 6th, 2017, 6:13 PM
I don't have time to listen to basically anything these days but I think the mainstream has a lot more good stuff at the moment...Stormzy and Bugzy Malone both had albums out that IMO are better than anything from the UK in years. I'm a latecomer to Stormzy too, I had vaguely heard of him and knew Shut Up but I'm not up on grime really.

RuneEdge
July 7th, 2017, 4:31 PM
Chelsea have apparently matched United's bid for Lukaku (minus the fee's United were giving Raiola). The rumours say the United medical was due for today and will still go ahead providing the player hasn't changed his mind last minute.

RuneEdge
July 8th, 2017, 10:36 AM
Apparently the odds of Van Dijk to Everton have been slashed. Where's all this money coming from?

Rip
July 8th, 2017, 11:13 AM
Rooney at Everton then, not sure he's a straight replacement for Lukaku...

And we've been quoted 25m for McCarthy? Can't see Rafa paying that, shame as I think he could have been a good buy for us.

Canuck
July 8th, 2017, 11:18 AM
Any truth to the Dier rumors around United?

RuneEdge
July 8th, 2017, 12:01 PM
For the price quoted, I hope not. He's the kind of player we need but for how much Spurs are asking, you'd expect a world class player in this position.

son_of_foley
July 8th, 2017, 2:42 PM
I think he's going to be the best in the league

MMH
July 8th, 2017, 2:46 PM
Apparently the odds of Van Dijk to Everton have been slashed. Where's all this money coming from?

A billionaire chairman with links to Usmanov basically.

Romford Pele
July 9th, 2017, 7:07 AM
Wow cant believe Wolves have got Ruben Neves, what a signing.

RuneEdge
July 9th, 2017, 7:55 AM
With the power that some agents have, how's this any different to when we had 3rd party ownership like the days with Tevez and Kia Joorabchian?

son_of_foley
July 9th, 2017, 7:56 AM
No different to me

Peter Griffin
July 9th, 2017, 8:22 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DESvjQXXsAAxEc8.jpg:large

Canuck
July 9th, 2017, 8:44 AM
Looks a bit fitter. Might be out to shove it up some arses (not literally).

MMH
July 9th, 2017, 8:52 AM
Cunt.

Him not you.

Actually....

Peter Griffin
July 9th, 2017, 8:56 AM
:squint:

Simon
July 9th, 2017, 12:41 PM
Your hatred of him has always seemed weird to me MMH. He was too good for Everton and joined a much bigger team that weren't rivals...I mean I get than in ideal world he would have done a Le Tissier and stayed there forever but hating someone for not being one of that incredibly rare loyal breed is mad. He wasn't Figo or Campbell, just a normal kid who outgrew your side and went to a bigger team that could fulfil his ambitions.

MMH
July 9th, 2017, 1:02 PM
Your hatred of him has always seemed weird to me MMH. He was too good for Everton and joined a much bigger team that weren't rivals...I mean I get than in ideal world he would have done a Le Tissier and stayed there forever but hating someone for not being one of that incredibly rare loyal breed is mad. He wasn't Figo or Campbell, just a normal kid who outgrew your side and went to a bigger team that could fulfil his ambitions.

Mate, its not just me who thinks that way about him!

He left us when he was 18. We offered him the biggest deal we had ever offered a player, he had never scored in a derby (or won one), never captained the club he loved, never won anything with us etc etc. He gave us a year and a half before fucking off at the first opportunity By slapping in a transfer request on the last day of the window leaving us with no time to replace him.

The year before we finished 17th, so he left us in the shit doing that as he was one of, if not our best player. I think we gave him away at the price too as he forced our hand.

By some miracle we came 4th that season! Maybe we could have done even better with him here.

Then he does his badge kissing stuff to the Gwladys Street (On the day that Everton legend Alan Ball died no less), released a shite book which was so scathing of Moyes (and untrue) that it ended up in court on libel charges and he also neglected to mention Colin Harvey in the people who helped build his career when he was probably the most important (which he has admitted since).

All this whilst having his once a blue always a blue shit. All of a sudden now he is shit he starts flashing his drawers at us saying he is a boss blue and has been all along (he is not, at best he has a soft spot for us) and would only want to play for us.

Is Sol Campbell a Spurs fan? I dont know. But even then you got some decent time out of him. We got fuck all before he couldn't wait to leave the first chance he got.

We all knew he would go one day, but when he was 23-24, give us some time with a top player, create some memories etc, but no, first chance he got. Would have been nice to get something out of true blue Wayne. But no we did not get that. It makes it worse because his whole narrative was the "massive blue" thing.

He is a fucking rat who showed me (well confirmed it..) that football is merely a business with zero soul. Then to make it worse we bring him fucking back! We will probably make him captain too! There is no pride left in football, this move shows that. The fact that you can not understand the hatred shows that, its football hatred by the way, I have nothing against him in real life, its his decision etc, in football terms he is my pantomime villain and always will be.

Simon
July 9th, 2017, 1:19 PM
Mate, its not just me who thinks that way about him!
Yeah I know, and I don't get it at all.


He left us when he was 18. We offered him the biggest deal we had ever offered a player, he had never scored in a derby (or won one), never captained the club he loved, never won anything with us etc etc. He gave us a year and a half before fucking off at the first opportunity By slapping in a transfer request on the last day of the window leaving us with no time to replace him.
He maybe could have given you a little bit longer but equally the club could have rejected his transfer request, there was no talk of him forcing the move through IIRC?


The year before we finished 17th, so he left us in the shit doing that as he was one of, if not our best player. I think we gave him away at the price too as he forced our hand.
Doesn't the first part of this sort of matter though...he was one of the biggest names in the country playing for a team fighting relegation, and had an offer from a team fighting for the title.


By some miracle we came 4th that season! Maybe we could have done even better with him here.
That's purely hypothetical though - presumably his sale brought in a lot of the players that saw you improve. It's more logical to assume that you were better off without him if you went up 13 places after he left.


Then he does his badge kissing stuff to the Gwladys Street (On the day that Everton legend Alan Ball died no less), released a shite book which was so scathing of Moyes (and untrue) that it ended up in court on libel charges and he also neglected to mention Colin Harvey in the people who helped build his career when he was probably the most important (which he has admitted since).
The book thing was out of order yeah fair enough. I don't have a problem with the badge kissing and the "Once a blue" thing though, because I don't see him leaving as disloyal. He didn't leave for a rival, he didn't go on strike, he just moved for the good of his career. It's completely reasonable that he could still love Everton while recognising that he needed to leave to make the most of himself - which has been proven right when you look at what he's achieved in his career.


Is Sol Campbell a Spurs fan? I dont know. But even then you got some decent time out of him. We got fuck all before he couldn't wait to leave the first chance he got.
You'll struggle to convince me it's anywhere near as bad as the Campbell thing. If Rooney had deliberately wound his contract down and then moved to Liverpool on a free I'm sure you'd think that was a lot motse.


We all knew he would go one day, but when he was 23-24, give us some time with a top player, create some memories etc, but no, first chance he got. Would have been nice to get something out of true blue Wayne. But no we did not get that. It makes it worse because his whole narrative was the "massive blue" thing.

He is a fucking rat who showed me (well confirmed it..) that football is merely a business with zero soul. Then to make it worse we bring him fucking back! We will probably make him captain too! There is no pride left in football, this move shows that. The fact that you can not understand the hatred shows that, its football hatred by the way, I have nothing against him in real life, its his decision etc, in football terms he is my pantomime villain and always will be.

Not having it. Don't think you should have signed him because he's finished as a top level player, but I think this is a rare example where 'bitter' - the most freely thrown about adjective in football, surely - is the correct term. His decision was correct. Particularly in retrospect - you say he should have stayed until he was 23/24, I think a lot of people would argue that he had already peaked by that point.

MMH
July 9th, 2017, 1:36 PM
It doesnt matter if you are having it or not! A fan of another club will not change my (or others minds).

Its football, its based on passion and rivalry. Its not an issue where you sit down and discuss the metrics of it all! That's one of the problems with football!

He claimed to be a massive blue, he fucked us off the absolute first chance he got. That's all that matters, nobody cares what he went on to do, he didn't do it with us, he never even gave us a chance to do it and for that he can fuck off, loads of us comedy hate him for it, and you know why? Because their are plenty of other players out there so we can move on, but no we have took him back instead.

He is getting a redemption story that he does not deserve at us and that pisses me off.

"Hating" him is a big deal for me. Without having some standards in football you have nothing.

To clarify a couple of your points though....


He maybe could have given you a little bit longer but equally the club could have rejected his transfer request, there was no talk of him forcing the move through IIRC?

Yes he did. he had a year on hi contract, if we did not resign him that summer he was able to go via tribunal for 20p or whatever.


Doesn't the first part of this sort of matter though...he was one of the biggest names in the country playing for a team fighting relegation, and had an offer from a team fighting for the title.

You are missing the point. He was a "MASSIVE BLUE". We finished 17th (relegation was never on the cards to be fair) yet he left us to just struggle on.


That's purely hypothetical though - presumably his sale brought in a lot of the players that saw you improve. It's more logical to assume that you were better off without him if you went up 13 places after he left.

Again you are missing the point. He banged in a transfer request on the final day of the window leaving us with no time/money to get a replacement in. Thats a key point. Before this point it was assumed he would be signing.


The book thing was out of order yeah fair enough. I don't have a problem with the badge kissing and the "Once a blue" thing though, because I don't see him leaving as disloyal. He didn't leave for a rival, he didn't go on strike, he just moved for the good of his career. It's completely reasonable that he could still love Everton while recognising that he needed to leave to make the most of himself - which has been proven right when you look at what he's achieved in his career.

Again, it doesnt matter what you think (I dont mean that in an arsey way by the way), you are not an Evertonian. Its the timing, its the fact he went the first chance he got and the fact that he acted like a tit afterwards. You cant just claim to "support" someone. Proper supporters are judged by their actions. He is no Evertonian.


You'll struggle to convince me it's anywhere near as bad as the Campbell thing. If Rooney had deliberately wound his contract down and then moved to Liverpool on a free I'm sure you'd think that was a lot motse.

Of course I wont, because you are a Spurs fan! The rivalry between us and United was bigger back then too. He DID wind his contract down.

Chris Scott
July 9th, 2017, 2:40 PM
Mate, its not just me who thinks that way about him!

He left us when he was 18. We offered him the biggest deal we had ever offered a player, he had never scored in a derby (or won one), never captained the club he loved, never won anything with us etc etc. He gave us a year and a half before fucking off at the first opportunity By slapping in a transfer request on the last day of the window leaving us with no time to replace him.

The year before we finished 17th, so he left us in the shit doing that as he was one of, if not our best player. I think we gave him away at the price too as he forced our hand.

By some miracle we came 4th that season! Maybe we could have done even better with him here.

Then he does his badge kissing stuff to the Gwladys Street (On the day that Everton legend Alan Ball died no less), released a shite book which was so scathing of Moyes (and untrue) that it ended up in court on libel charges and he also neglected to mention Colin Harvey in the people who helped build his career when he was probably the most important (which he has admitted since).

All this whilst having his once a blue always a blue shit. All of a sudden now he is shit he starts flashing his drawers at us saying he is a boss blue and has been all along (he is not, at best he has a soft spot for us) and would only want to play for us.

Is Sol Campbell a Spurs fan? I dont know. But even then you got some decent time out of him. We got fuck all before he couldn't wait to leave the first chance he got.

We all knew he would go one day, but when he was 23-24, give us some time with a top player, create some memories etc, but no, first chance he got. Would have been nice to get something out of true blue Wayne. But no we did not get that. It makes it worse because his whole narrative was the "massive blue" thing.

He is a fucking rat who showed me (well confirmed it..) that football is merely a business with zero soul. Then to make it worse we bring him fucking back! We will probably make him captain too! There is no pride left in football, this move shows that. The fact that you can not understand the hatred shows that, its football hatred by the way, I have nothing against him in real life, its his decision etc, in football terms he is my pantomime villain and always will be.

:yes: pretty much any Everton fan I know says the same and I agree.

RuneEdge
July 9th, 2017, 2:56 PM
Not saying its right or wrong to feel this way, but to me (a Man Utd fan), its sort of like when Ronaldo left us to go to Madrid. He was still young and had a lot more to offer us, and was our clearly our best player. But he left us with a huge void, and people forget he left in the same summer as Tevez, and we replaced them with Valencia, Obertan and Micheal Owen. Somehow we still managed to make another CL final in a couple of years, which always left me wondering if Ronaldo could've won us that match at Wembley. But besides that, my point is that he left us sort of high and dry, and the way he left with those "slave" comments left a bit of a sour taste. And to top it off, he spent every other summer since then to tease a return, for the sake of getting himself a bigger contract at Madrid. All while telling everyone that "Manchester is still in my heart" and that "the future, nobody knows" when it came to a United return. Personally it bothered me more because he was (and probably still is) my favourite player.

Now I would've loved to see him back, even if it cost us 150m for the 32 year old, and for a long time I was pissed that he wouldn't. But as time went on, I came to accept the problem here was that Ronaldo's aspirations had outgrown that of Manchester United's. It used to bother me that he wouldn't come back, but what bothers me more now is the fact that we can't compete at the high level that Real Madrid compete at. We can't even qualify for the Champion's League at times, let alone win 3 European Cup's in the space of 4 years.
Ronaldo wants to be the greatest player who ever lived, and he's made a solid claim with the career he's had so far. There's no way he would've achieved that at Man Utd. In some ways I'd feel bad for him if he came back because I'd feel like he'd be taking a step down for the sake of loyalty. And if the feeling of affection was mutual between him and the fans, we shouldn't want him to do that.

I know I can't completely relate with Everton fans and Rooney but from the outside looking in, I don't get how they could've expected to keep Rooney at the club unless they themselves were competing at a high level. Rooney's had an amazing career at United, which wouldn't need to be elaborated on. I find it almost weird for people in hindsight to still feel like he should've stayed at Everton. There's nothing back then or even today that suggested it was a bad idea to move.

son_of_foley
July 9th, 2017, 2:58 PM
Ronaldo wasn't a boyhood United fan though right? So it's not the same to me at all

RuneEdge
July 9th, 2017, 2:59 PM
Ronaldo wasn't a boyhood United fan though right? So it's not the same to me at all

I'm talking from the fans perspective, not the player's.

son_of_foley
July 9th, 2017, 3:00 PM
Yes but you said you didn't know how anyone could have expected him to stay. They could expect that because he suggested he was as much of a fan as they were.

RuneEdge
July 9th, 2017, 3:21 PM
Yes but you said you didn't know how anyone could have expected him to stay. They could expect that because he suggested he was as much of a fan as they were.
And how do you work out how much Everton means to Rooney from that? How do you know how much he values his loyalty to the club? Does it mean more to him than further progressing his own career? Is his love for Everton stronger than his love for his country and the national team? Cuz a move to United would've looked like a positive move for his international career too.
The point is, its a waste of time for me to question his priorities or values. People do it all the time with celebrities/footballers on the internet where once something's said, they hold it against them as if they have no right as a human to change his mind or care less about something his fans care so much about.
So are people basically annoyed at the fact that Rooney lead them to believe he cared about Everton so much, that he would be willing to stifle his career out of loyalty? And if fans cared about him so much, they'd be OK with him doing that?
Like I said with Ronaldo earlier. He left and went on to have an amazing career. If I knew I was depriving him of that, it just wouldn't feel right to want to hold onto him.

El Capitano Gatisto
July 9th, 2017, 3:37 PM
The best years of Rooney's career were behind him at 24 so it was lucky for him that he left Everton when he did. He's been on a significant downward slide since 2010/11.

MMH
July 9th, 2017, 3:38 PM
And how do you work out how much Everton means to Rooney from that? How do you know how much he values his loyalty to the club? Does it mean more to him than further progressing his own career? Is his love for Everton stronger than his love for his country and the national team? Cuz a move to United would've looked like a positive move for his international career too.
The point is, its a waste of time for me to question his priorities or values. People do it all the time with celebrities/footballers on the internet where once something's said, they hold it against them as if they have no right as a human to change his mind or care less about something his fans care so much about.
So are people basically annoyed at the fact that Rooney lead them to believe he cared about Everton so much, that he would be willing to stifle his career out of loyalty? And if fans cared about him so much, they'd be OK with him doing that?
Like I said with Ronaldo earlier. He left and went on to have an amazing career. If I knew I was depriving him of that, it just wouldn't feel right to want to hold onto him.

He was already Englands best player when he moved....

The loyalty thing is the sticking point. Do whatever he wants, thats fine, just dont give us this bullshit about being a massive fan coz he is obviously not.

Your comparisons with Ronaldo are wrong as he never claimed to be a massive United fan.

Timing is everything in the Rooney case yet people seem to want to ignore it.

I will say it again, he was 18! Its got fuck all to do with stifling his career.

MMH
July 9th, 2017, 3:39 PM
The best years of Rooney's career were behind him at 24 so it was lucky for him that he left Everton when he did. He's been on a significant downward slide since 2010/11.

Not so lucky that we have brought him back at 31 under this mental Evertonian guise.

"Oh he will work harder now he is back at the club he loves"

Brilliant!

If he gets made captain I am jibbing it off.

RuneEdge
July 9th, 2017, 4:15 PM
Your comparisons with Ronaldo are wrong as he never claimed to be a massive United fan.

Timing is everything in the Rooney case yet people seem to want to ignore it.

I will say it again, he was 18! Its got fuck all to do with stifling his career.
Its not about whether Ronaldo is a United fan or not. The point is, he wanted to move to a bigger club. As a fan of the smaller club, I can't complain in that respect. Its the same if De Gea moved to Madrid. If he wants to play at a higher level, what can Man Utd do about it? Nothing other than raise their own level and make him feel like he doesn't need to move.

And how has it got fuck all to do with stifling his career? A big team came in for him, and it was bigger than the team he was at. The only argument against making the move that I can see is that maybe he might have been too young and not ready to take such a big step. But he justified it by being a first team regular for the next 13+ years and scored a hatrick on his debut on the biggest stage in club football. From purely a footballing standpoint, he made the right move. Anyone who's not happy about it, are disregarding his point of view.

MMH
July 9th, 2017, 4:58 PM
Its not about whether Ronaldo is a United fan or not. The point is, he wanted to move to a bigger club. As a fan of the smaller club, I can't complain in that respect. Its the same if De Gea moved to Madrid. If he wants to play at a higher level, what can Man Utd do about it? Nothing other than raise their own level and make him feel like he doesn't need to move.

And how has it got fuck all to do with stifling his career? A big team came in for him, and it was bigger than the team he was at. The only argument against making the move that I can see is that maybe he might have been too young and not ready to take such a big step. But he justified it by being a first team regular for the next 13+ years and scored a hatrick on his debut on the biggest stage in club football. From purely a footballing standpoint, he made the right move. Anyone who's not happy about it, are disregarding his point of view.


You just dont get it. Thats fine. I dont expect anyone too. The fact that you are still comparing it to Ronaldo and are viewing it from his viewpoint says that.

Im not saying you are wrong either! But you just dont get it. His viewpoint has got nothing to in why we dont like him. Thats kind of the point.

Peter Griffin
July 9th, 2017, 5:24 PM
Obviously they didn't show the ones where they called him a cunt, But there were a fair few Evertonians who seemed enthused by the signing yesterday on SSN.

RuneEdge
July 9th, 2017, 5:37 PM
I get that you're mad that he's basically come back after becoming shit and whatever. If Ronaldo had become shit and useless, I wouldn't want him back either, and I'd be pissed if he came out and said some crap about loving Manchester and wanting to end his career at Old Trafford. I was focusing on the part where you had a problem with Rooney leaving 13 years ago.


He left us when he was 18. We offered him the biggest deal we had ever offered a player, he had never scored in a derby (or won one), never captained the club he loved, never won anything with us etc etc. He gave us a year and a half before fucking off at the first opportunity By slapping in a transfer request on the last day of the window leaving us with no time to replace him.
You sound like you're implying that he should've stayed, but he shouldn't have.

son_of_foley
July 9th, 2017, 5:51 PM
No it's not. He's saying there was plenty he could have done if he loved Everton as much as he claims and claimed he did.

He was asked why he was annoyed. The whole narative of this has been Rooney coming back to the club he loved so much that it pretty much hurt to be away from. Despite him bolting as soon as he could and also being a dick numerous times when he went back there. That's the point. He thinks Rooney is being a fake shite with his proclaimed love of the club and he's a mercenary so he has no warm feelings for him and the return of the prodigal son looks like a facade to him.

Your relationship with Real Madrid is massively different as well as it's a different league. You compete against them in Europe yes but that's not the same as joining another team in the league.

son_of_foley
July 9th, 2017, 5:53 PM
Obviously they didn't show the ones where they called him a cunt, But there were a fair few Evertonians who seemed enthused by the signing yesterday on SSN.

Of course there are. There's also plenty of people who will say what the think SSN want to hear to be on tv as well

MMH
July 9th, 2017, 5:56 PM
I get that you're mad that he's basically come back after becoming shit and whatever. If Ronaldo had become shit and useless, I wouldn't want him back either, and I'd be pissed if he came out and said some crap about loving Manchester and wanting to end his career at Old Trafford. I was focusing on the part where you had a problem with Rooney leaving 13 years ago.


You sound like you're implying that he should've stayed, but he shouldn't have.

No im not!

This is the bit you are not grasping. It has nothing to do with Rooney's career or what he thinks, its irrelevent as it wont change our base instinct as a fan of a club to be pissed off that he left the club he "loved" before he even properly played for us.

It does not matter how much you try to justify it, how much common sense or logic you put forward, it wont change a damned thing! Football is an emotive sport. We wanted him to stay at least for a bit because we are Everton fans, like he is supposed to be.

To use the old tired cliche its like your missus saying she loves you an then fucking off with a richer man first chance she gets. She may be happy and gets more out of life but you still resent her for fucking off when you had big plans with her. I don't get why its so had to understand. You keep coming back with stuff that we all know already and nobody is denying. Why? It wont change our perception of him!