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son_of_foley
June 5th, 2015, 12:33 PM
didn't Liverpool have a run of like 10 straight wins from Jan to Mar?

EDIT: There were two draws and 10 wins.

I didn't realize they only got 8 out the last 27 points. They really could have gotten 4th with even an average finish.
Yeah they were very good. Lot close than 8 pts for me.

Simon I mean the formation at start of season the 3 at the back coincided with them realising sturridge wasn't coming back anytime soon

Chris Scott
June 5th, 2015, 1:00 PM
I think IBE is a bit of a waste at wing back. Personal opinion.

I don't think he has the players to play that style so I'm not sure why he would stick with it.


Get Ibe high up the pitch, putting defenders on their ass. Wingback would hold him back.

Oh I agree he shouldn't be playing wingback and should be further up the pitch.

Bad Collin
June 5th, 2015, 2:59 PM
Yeah they were very good. Lot close than 8 pts for me.

Simon I mean the formation at start of season the 3 at the back coincided with them realising sturridge wasn't coming back anytime soon

We were chasing down United until the game at Anfield. That game seemed to destroy our momentum.

Why the fuck have Everton signed Cleverley?

El Capitano Gatisto
June 5th, 2015, 3:29 PM
He did very well for Martinez at Wigan.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 5th, 2015, 3:44 PM
Also in regards to Liverpool and their performances last year, Rodgers is obviously quite a good coach and tactically has some very good ideas and can change a team to get better performances. But I think everyone sort of overlooked just how good Suarez is and that he is the level of player who can win a title for a team. You can see at Barcelona he has been superb and has brought out the best in Neymar and Messi. If he can improve them, then it's clear he lifted the likes of Sturridge, Coutinho and Sterling too. If you set aside his reputation, he's probably one of the top 4 attacking players in Premier League history in sheer quality alongside Aguero, Ronaldo and Henry, arguable in which order. Taking him out of the Liverpool team probably put their unbalanced, largely inexperienced squad overall exactly where it belonged in the league. It's going to be very difficult to challenge in the league again without getting 60 goals worth of player from somewhere. There needs to be some really smart signings, unfortunately the current recruitment regime has an appalling transfer record.

The whole Gerrard sideshow didn't help either. Gerrard appeared to help undermine Rodgers at times by failing to recognise that he did not merit a starting place and failing to be gracious about the honesty over his role when it came to a new contract.

MMH
June 5th, 2015, 3:56 PM
We were chasing down United until the game at Anfield. That game seemed to destroy our momentum.

Why the fuck have Everton signed Cleverley?

Why not? Hes free, worked with Martinez before and is nowhere near as bad as some people would have you believe. I think he will do well for us, fills a gap and leaves cash for some bigger signings.

Gary J
June 5th, 2015, 4:07 PM
I think Cleverley is a good player I think he'll follow the path of Michael Carrick and only be truly appreciated once he's older. The perception of Carrick in his early days was everyone he did fuck all but play short passes to keep his team in possession. I think got unfairly compared to Xavi because of this or he might said something but I do remember some sniping in the media about him being the English "Xavi"

That petition to keep him out of the England squad has probably made people think he's shit too.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 5th, 2015, 4:23 PM
Carrick is a better player now than he used to be, that's why he is looked upon more favourably. He has a better range of passing, is better positionally and is more penetrative with his passing. He was very sideways when younger and uncomfortable under pressure at times, also prone to giving the ball away if he attempted to play the ball more directly.

Cleverley isn't really any good at anything in particular. He's ordinary at best, useless when not playing well.

Bad Collin
June 8th, 2015, 6:08 AM
We've signed Ings, I really hope he develops with us.

Beefy
June 8th, 2015, 6:24 AM
I think that is a good signing but I was kinda hoping he'd go out to Spain.

Simon
June 8th, 2015, 7:33 AM
I think it's a good move for Ings - probably the highest level club he could join and expect to play regularly. I was really impressed with him last season and reckon he'll be an England squad regular very soon. I actually think above Austin, Berahino and probably even Kane he's someone who could succeed at international level.

Beefy
June 8th, 2015, 8:41 AM
Yeah I like him.

Speaking of that group of young English players though, is Jay Rodriguez proper dead at this point?

The Rosk
June 8th, 2015, 8:52 AM
Cleverley did well for us under Sherwood. He was absolute gash under Lambert. If he gets on with the manager he is a decent asset. Just don't expect goals or assists.

Simon
June 8th, 2015, 9:34 AM
Yeah I like him.

Speaking of that group of young English players though, is Jay Rodriguez proper dead at this point?

Think he came back right at the end of the season, he also just signed a new contract.

son_of_foley
June 8th, 2015, 10:11 AM
We just signed Darren Bent. Happy with it. Be interested to see how he is with a 2 year contract in front of him. I think he's motivated but we'll see.

Alex Pearce as well which is nice.

Also Liverpool have been linked with everyone this summer....Bentaleb? Zlatan? Tevez? Mandzukic.

You have to imagine they will be looking for at least 1 other big name striker. I don't think BR can trust Sturridge to be fit

El Capitano Gatisto
June 8th, 2015, 10:19 AM
Why would Liverpool even need Bentaleb? They already have Henderson, Milner, Can, Lucas and Allen. They need rid of at least two of those players before bringing in another central midfielder. Can has done ok in defence but he belongs in midfield. Rodgers managed to buy a good player there and it would be a real shame to continue to misuse him and risk marginalising him. They should get a specialist defensive coach in and find some way to make a midfield of Henderson, Milner and Can work for them.

son_of_foley
June 8th, 2015, 10:24 AM
Totally agree and Bentaleb doesn't to me anyway seem to be anything special.

I think they will probably get rid of Lucas. They also have Kovacic potentially coming in to play somewhere around midfield or just off a striker as well as Lallana who can play centrally. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

Simon
June 8th, 2015, 10:31 AM
Bentaleb could be very good but he's not there yet. A midfield with him and Henderson would be well-balanced if a little uninspiring and lacking in creativity. Not sure that Bentaleb is any better than Allen right now tbh.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 8th, 2015, 10:33 AM
He's definitely not better than Can.

The Rosk
June 8th, 2015, 10:37 AM
Nobody is better than James Milner.

Andy
June 8th, 2015, 11:15 AM
Maybe I'll be proved wrong but I haven't seen the hype with Ings at all. He seems to score in patches and doesn't seemas clinical as Berahino or Austin. Maybe he'll do the business in a team who provides more chances but I think he's done very very well to get a move to Liverpool based on last season.

Simon
June 8th, 2015, 11:20 AM
After a few weeks of "no way, he's happy and going nowhere", today was the first day when Spurs ITK started mentioning the possibility that Lloris might go. Based on previous seasons that usually means he'll go fairly soon.

son_of_foley
June 8th, 2015, 11:26 AM
I'm sure he's happy and settled until a big offer comes along. Seems quite level headed.

Simon
June 8th, 2015, 11:32 AM
Should be playing at a higher level than us. It's ridiculous that he's in the peak of his career and not playing Champions League.

_me
June 8th, 2015, 11:37 AM
Maybe I'll be proved wrong but I haven't seen the hype with Ings at all. He seems to score in patches and doesn't seemas clinical as Berahino or Austin. Maybe he'll do the business in a team who provides more chances but I think he's done very very well to get a move to Liverpool based on last season.
I agree. The guy who lead the line for the lowest scoring team in the EPL is going to change the top 4 race now? Feels the same quality as Borini or Lambert. If he starts more than 5 league games for Liverpool, their season is screwed.

_me
June 8th, 2015, 11:38 AM
Should be playing at a higher level than us. It's ridiculous that he's in the peak of his career and not playing Champions League.
Didn't I read that 1) he is the highest paid player on the team and 2) he really likes living in London? I assume that is why he isn't just leaving for any Champions League spot.

Peter Griffin
June 8th, 2015, 12:56 PM
Darren Bent and Alex Pearce, good days work I'd say :yes:

Chris Scott
June 8th, 2015, 2:28 PM
Maybe I'll be proved wrong but I haven't seen the hype with Ings at all. He seems to score in patches and doesn't seemas clinical as Berahino or Austin. Maybe he'll do the business in a team who provides more chances but I think he's done very very well to get a move to Liverpool based on last season.

My thoughts exactly.

Bad Collin
June 8th, 2015, 2:39 PM
I agree. The guy who lead the line for the lowest scoring team in the EPL is going to change the top 4 race now? Feels the same quality as Borini or Lambert. If he starts more than 5 league games for Liverpool, their season is screwed.

Well, that's one way to look at it. The other way is that he scored 11 for the shittest team in the PL so how many could he get for a better team? Plus, he is very young. We'll have to wait and see with him.

Anyway, he is not the answer to Liverpool's issues. We don't score because we don't make chances, we have a lot of functional players but we need a maestro. Ings isn't the answer but neither is Bentelab or Kovacic.

son_of_foley
June 8th, 2015, 3:02 PM
Well, that's one way to look at it. The other way is that he scored 11 for the shittest team in the PL so how many could he get for a better team? Plus, he is very young. We'll have to wait and see with him.

Anyway, he is not the answer to Liverpool's issues. We don't score because we don't make chances, we have a lot of functional players but we need a maestro. Ings isn't the answer but neither is Bentelab or Kovacic.

Err isn't kovacic a creative player?

Bad Collin
June 8th, 2015, 4:10 PM
:dunno: nine assists in the last three years

son_of_foley
June 8th, 2015, 4:15 PM
:dunno: nine assists in the last three years

Maybe you guys could sign Enrique and downing again using their stats worked a treat ;)

_me
June 8th, 2015, 8:36 PM
Well, that's one way to look at it. The other way is that he scored 11 for the shittest team in the PL so how many could he get for a better team? Plus, he is very young. We'll have to wait and see with him.

Anyway, he is not the answer to Liverpool's issues. We don't score because we don't make chances, we have a lot of functional players but we need a maestro. Ings isn't the answer but neither is Bentelab or Kovacic.
I just know I would take Ings third behind Berahino then Austin.

Bad Collin
June 9th, 2015, 5:23 AM
Maybe you guys could sign Enrique and downing again using their stats worked a treat ;)

I know stats aren't everything but I watched so many Liverpool games last season where we passed it around nicely without finding a final ball. I would be expecting the club to be looking for a player who has demonstrated an ability to create openings and such a low assist tally makes me think this is not Kovacic's main strength. I know nothing about him other than that though. Maybe Inter get no posseestion or maybe their strikers waste the multitude of chances he provides. I don't know which leads me to assume that he is another tidy, functional player like we already have.

Ringo
June 9th, 2015, 6:26 AM
I haven't seen much of him outside the world cup but I think he's meant to be a whole lot more than tidy and functional.

Glowing quotes:


Kovačić has been described as a great technician with excellent character. He is considered to be a versatile midfielder, having played in different midfield positions. He started off as an attacking midfielder at Dinamo Zagreb, but he transformed his game at Internazionale where he was deployed as a deep-lying playmaker while being coached by Andrea Stramaccioni. One of his trademarks is dropping deep to receive the ball and then driving forward, often performing his slalom runs.

The Croatia under-17 manager, Martin Novoselac, reportedly said of Kovačić, "I haven't seen a youngster with so much talent since the days of Robert Prosinečki," referring to his fast development and talent.

Italian manager, Giovanni Trapattoni, described him as "a mixture of Kaká and Clarence Seedorf", because of his style of play and technical characteristics.

Long standing Internazionale captain, Javier Zanetti, stated that, with the exception of Ronaldo who had arrived to Inter when he was 21, Kovačić is the most promising youngster he’s seen in his 19 years at the club.

And if we're doing stats, just saw this Kovacic/Pogba stat comparison:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG-kiVnUcAEQyQ7.jpg:large

Beefy
June 9th, 2015, 6:30 AM
Assists are a fairly meaningless stat anyway.

Bad Collin
June 9th, 2015, 6:54 AM
Well they're meaningless compared to a full scouting report and hours of footage but stats are all most of us have to go on.

That all sounds good Ringo. I'm very cynical about our transfers at the moment. My first thought is always 'why are no CL clubs after him', then 'Why are they willing to let him go'.

_me
June 9th, 2015, 9:25 AM
Considering how well Coutinho has worked since his transfer from Inter, I feel like I would be cautiously optimistic about Kovacic.

Ringo
June 9th, 2015, 9:41 AM
Dani Alves has signed an extension at Barca.

Romford Pele
June 10th, 2015, 5:03 AM
No suprise. All that Man Utd chat was just designed to get him more cash.

Great player, but has always seemed a twat of a person.

Peter Griffin
June 10th, 2015, 6:29 AM
Darren Bent and Alex Pearce, good days work I'd say :yes:

Ince for 6 million appaz, with maybe lowton and weimann as well :hyper:

son_of_foley
June 10th, 2015, 8:19 AM
No suprise. All that Man Utd chat was just designed to get him more cash.

Great player, but has always seemed a twat of a person.
In what way?
Didn't he offer Abidal part of his liver?

Romford Pele
June 10th, 2015, 8:26 AM
Lot of diving and complaining at referees. I will rephrase, he may be fine as a person, but I hate the way he acts when fouled/diving/complaining at the ref etc.

Ringo
June 10th, 2015, 1:42 PM
Andre Ayew's signed for Swansea and West Ham have signed the highly touted Pedro Obiang from Sampdoria. Both sound like good signings.

RuneEdge
June 10th, 2015, 4:40 PM
No suprise. All that Man Utd chat was just designed to get him more cash.

Great player, but has always seemed a twat of a person.
I think Alves just wanted to feel important again. There was a point last season I think where Barca started dropping him, which is roughly when the stories started. But he's been amazing lately, so I kinda started to think the transfer rumours were too good to be true.

Oh well. I guess we'll have to go back to nagging Koeman again for Clyne.

Bad Collin
June 11th, 2015, 6:42 AM
It's rumoured that Dzeko is on his way out at City. I wonder whether we could do some kind of swap deal for Raheem. I'm sure Dzeko would prefer to go to a CL team but he would be the main man at Liverpool, we pay well and he probably wouldn't need to move.

The Rosk
June 11th, 2015, 6:58 AM
Eden Hazard has openly said he wants Benteke at Chelsea.

Nacer Chadli has openly said he wants Benteke at Tottenham.

Gabriel Agbonlahor has openly said he wants Benteke to stay at Villa.

I don't know who he's going to choose lads.

Bad Collin
June 11th, 2015, 6:59 AM
Simon Mignolet and Divock Origi

Ringo
June 11th, 2015, 7:06 AM
Hazard and Benteke are best buds. Mourinho's been bigging up Falcao though. Either he's definitely coming or Jose's helping their mutual agent drum up some interest.

Hopefully we're going about our business quietly as we have done in the last few transfer windows because Falcao is the only player I've seen strongly linked. Where as loads have been linked with moves away - Mikel, Ramires, Oscar, Cuadrado, Cech, Remy, Salah...

Ringo
June 11th, 2015, 5:04 PM
Times saying Liverpool have rejected £30m bid from City for Sterling.

turdpower
June 11th, 2015, 5:06 PM
I don't know what is going on with United transfers. The rumour mill is wild and untrue.

I think De Gea out and Lloris in seems obvious. I assume we'll pay more for Lloris, or at least the same - depressing.

RVP seems to be looking for a new gig but I have no idea who would come in to replace him. I assume we'll have another bash at a big marquee player but I have no idea who that would even be.

Probably get Clyne at RB.

Gary J
June 11th, 2015, 6:16 PM
Man United have signed Frimino (well according to twitter) he's supposed to be pretty good isn't he?

Would you not class Depay as a marquee signing? He was a highly sought after player or are you classing a marquee signing as someone like Cavani , Schweinstiger or Benzema?

Ringo
June 11th, 2015, 6:19 PM
The source for that was some ex-pro who may or may not work for ESPN Brazil. Seems a bit tenuous but if they do sign him (and for £13m) it would be a cracking signing and a hell of a deal. Has looked class whenever I've seen him and sounds like he'll be starting for Brazil in the Copa America.

Bad Collin
June 11th, 2015, 7:11 PM
Times saying Liverpool have rejected £30m bid from City for Sterling.

BBC are saying £25. Both are piss takes, I don't think we would accept that even if he had one year left on his contract.

son_of_foley
June 12th, 2015, 3:33 AM
Well twenty five quid is very low

son_of_foley
June 12th, 2015, 3:33 AM
If he was in his last year though I mean how much is a tribunal really going to give you?

Torn
June 12th, 2015, 3:35 AM
You'd definitely take £25m in his last year.

BBF
June 12th, 2015, 3:36 AM
He'll go for 35m this window, surely?

son_of_foley
June 12th, 2015, 3:37 AM
I would think so. Isn't Ings going to be the largest fee from a tribunal ever and probably won't make 10m?

son_of_foley
June 12th, 2015, 3:38 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3118307/Liverpool-s-fee-Burnley-Danny-Ings-set-disappoint-Turf-Moor-club-figure-decided-tribunal-4m-rejected.html
Ignore the fact it's the daily mail but if true it shows the perils of going to a tribunal

son_of_foley
June 12th, 2015, 4:22 AM
Pretty big rumours that Ince is a done deal for us.

Also big rumours that a certain Scott Carson will be joining... bit left field

Peter Griffin
June 12th, 2015, 5:43 AM
Have you got me on ignore or what sof, i mentioned Ince the other day.

RuneEdge
June 12th, 2015, 6:11 AM
I don't know what is going on with United transfers. The rumour mill is wild and untrue.

I think De Gea out and Lloris in seems obvious. I assume we'll pay more for Lloris, or at least the same - depressing.

RVP seems to be looking for a new gig but I have no idea who would come in to replace him. I assume we'll have another bash at a big marquee player but I have no idea who that would even be.

Probably get Clyne at RB.

Man United have signed Frimino (well according to twitter) he's supposed to be pretty good isn't he?

Would you not class Depay as a marquee signing? He was a highly sought after player or are you classing a marquee signing as someone like Cavani , Schweinstiger or Benzema?

The price we'll get for De Gea kinda bothers me. Like you're saying, Lloris will probably cost the same, if not more. The silver lining is (and this is just a theory), maybe our defence needed a better leader to organise it, and maybe a more experienced keeper could actually be better for us. Technically De Gea might be the best keeper in the world, but looking at the type of goals we tend to concede (poor defensive errors and decisions), it makes me wonder if he lacked in the leadership and communication department. Right now, I'm not too worried about the loss of the player. Its more to do with the price we'll receive that's worrying. Bare in mind we still have Victor Valdes.

As for Depay, I don't know if I'd call him a marquee signing. If we're going to compare that to the signings last season like Di Maria and Falcao and expect more of the same, then he's definitely not "the marquee signing" of this summer.
I watched a couple of his game after we announced his signing, and he seems good but nowhere near like Ozil/Di Maria/Sanchez level. For some reason I was expecting him to be because of all the hype.
And something else to bare in mind with him, people have been touting the fact that he scored 22 league goals last season. I checked a video out online and it turns out that 7 of them were freekicks and a further 2-3 were penalties. So I guess he's not the kind of goal scorer I initially thought.

The Firmino story leaked last night, but what's interesting is that Sky Sports sources are now confirming Hoffenheim have indeed sold the player, but they're refusing to reveal where he's going. Which leads me to believe maybe we're trying to keep all our transfer activity under wraps.

Simon
June 12th, 2015, 6:29 AM
Still think United need a right back, a centre back and a striker to even think about challenging properly.

The papers seem to think that if De Gea goes then Lloris to United is a done deal. I'm really not so sure. If it does happen the figure will be HUGE. As in world record for a goalkeeper huge. We really don't want to sell to United and Lloris isn't the type to throw his toys out of the pram seemingly. I wouldn't be that surprised to see De Gea sign da ting and then Madrid come in for Lloris.

RuneEdge
June 12th, 2015, 6:36 AM
Lloris made comments recently about wanting to play in the CL. I think that's whats sparked the rumours.

To be honest, I'd rather take Lloris over De Gea at this stage. De Gea's still only 24. Even if he signs a new deal with us, we're going to get these Madrid rumours every year. I can't be arsed with that shit.

Gary J
June 12th, 2015, 6:57 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if Valdes was signed in mind to be De Gea's replacement. Van Gaal seems to want Man Utd to be a team like Barcelona that keep possession all over the field and that is a system Valdes is familiar with.

Romford Pele
June 12th, 2015, 7:28 AM
He'll go for 35m this window, surely?

Liverpool want 50m for him. Laughable.

son_of_foley
June 12th, 2015, 7:29 AM
Have you got me on ignore or what sof, i mentioned Ince the other day.

The Ince thing is being firmed up now though people on forums with good track record reporting as done deal

Gary J
June 12th, 2015, 7:48 AM
I think the only issue was the payments as we wanted it all upfront whereas you wanted to pay instalments. Supposedly the fee was agreed in the loan deal it was a strange transfer by us as we essentially bought him in on a two year contract loaned him out for the majority of the first year and then would have spent this year trying to get him to sign an extension if we had wanted to keep him which we seemingly didn't.

Peter Griffin
June 12th, 2015, 7:55 AM
The Ince thing is being firmed up now though people on forums with good track record reporting as done deal

Fair play, and yeh Gary bit odd Bruce kept saying he wont be sold and has a future when there was a clause in the loan agreement.

Bad Collin
June 12th, 2015, 8:10 AM
You'd definitely take £25m in his last year.

I'm not so sure, not from City at least. £25m is less than a quarter of the club's TV money income. It might be better to have Raheem on his lower wages for a year and stop him going to a club in the same division that season. I agree that we would take £25m from a club abroad.

son_of_foley
June 12th, 2015, 8:10 AM
I think the only issue was the payments as we wanted it all upfront whereas you wanted to pay instalments. Supposedly the fee was agreed in the loan deal it was a strange transfer by us as we essentially bought him in on a two year contract loaned him out for the majority of the first year and then would have spent this year trying to get him to sign an extension if we had wanted to keep him which we seemingly didn't.

Fee of 4.5m which is terrifying outlay from us. Record signing.

Seemingly the payments disagreement may be an attempt from Bruce to keep him. The argument is the fee is agreed but not the structure as you mention but Hull are saying well the clause only is valid to us if it's all upfront

Bad Collin
June 12th, 2015, 8:12 AM
Liverpool want 50m for him. Laughable.

Why is it laughable? He's one of the best prospects in the country and there is a lot of money around at the moment. We don't need to sell, we can keep him and try and change his mind.

Romford Pele
June 12th, 2015, 8:19 AM
He isnt worth anywhere near that sum. 50m should get you one of the top players in the world. We signed both Sanchez and Ozil for less than that, Chelsea signed Costa and Fabregas for much less, all are better than Sterling.

The guy clearly wants to leave for more money/trophies depending on who you believe. In these situations, the player generally will go as why keep someone around who doesnt want to play for you. If you get an offer anywhere around 30m you should sell tomorrow.

Gary J
June 12th, 2015, 8:23 AM
Fee of 4.5m which is terrifying outlay from us. Record signing.

Seemingly the payments disagreement may be an attempt from Bruce to keep him. The argument is the fee is agreed but not the structure as you mention but Hull are saying well the clause only is valid to us if it's all upfront

I can understand why Bruce would want to keep him now because he's a very good championship player. Just not sure why he bothered signing him in the first place considering how he's treated him.

Beefy
June 12th, 2015, 8:28 AM
He isnt worth anywhere near that sum. 50m should get you one of the top players in the world. We signed both Sanchez and Ozil for less than that, Chelsea signed Costa and Fabregas for much less, all are better than Sterling.

The guy clearly wants to leave for more money/trophies depending on who you believe. In these situations, the player generally will go as why keep someone around who doesnt want to play for you. If you get an offer anywhere around 30m you should sell tomorrow.

Not all of those players have Sterling's resale value though. At his age a buying club could get ten years service and then get a chunk of their money back. He's a solid investment.

Romford Pele
June 12th, 2015, 8:31 AM
But he is unproven at the very highest level. Also, you dont spend 50m on a player based on his resale value, you are buying someone world class who will win you trophies.

He has had at best, one very good season, he had flashes of quality at the world cup but that is it. 50m for a player who has yet to light up the Champions League or World Cup is a crazy sum.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 12th, 2015, 8:38 AM
Liverpool don't want to sell so why should they? Will they get a better player for £30 million? Seems unlikely. If the player really wants to leave and thinks he is better than Liverpool, then they'll get the transfer fee they want.

That said, if they think he is worth £50 million then they probably should have offered him more money to stay.

Gary J
June 12th, 2015, 8:47 AM
Not all of those players have Sterling's resale value though. At his age a buying club could get ten years service and then get a chunk of their money back. He's a solid investment.

Ozil is only 26 now Arsenal have already got 2 seasons out of him. It's not beyond the realms of possibilty he stays there until hes 34 and Arsenal get ten years out of him. Sanchez is a similar age.

Same with Costa although with his injuries and reported unhappiness he might not last 10 years.

I don't blame Liverpool for asking for £50m i just don't think anyone will be stupid enough to pay it.

Ringo
June 12th, 2015, 8:47 AM
But he is unproven at the very highest level. Also, you dont spend 50m on a player based on his resale value, you are buying someone world class who will win you trophies.
.

Unless you're PSG :cool:

El Capitano Gatisto
June 12th, 2015, 8:47 AM
Hazard was signed by Chelsea for £32 million based on his performances in the French league, while Neymar was signed by Barcelona for upwards of £40 million, despite only having played for Santos and in some Brazil friendlies. It remains to be seen whether Sterling is on that level but there's enough to suggest he could be and no reason for Liverpool to let him go for a price you think is less silly.

The comparison with Ozil and Sanchez fails because neither were wanted by their clubs. If Real Madrid or Barcelona had wanted to keep those players, Arsenal never would have signed them.

RuneEdge
June 12th, 2015, 8:47 AM
Liverpool don't want to sell so why should they? Will they get a better player for £30 million? Seems unlikely. If the player really wants to leave and thinks he is better than Liverpool, then they'll get the transfer fee they want.

That said, if they think he is worth £50 million then they probably should have offered him more money to stay.

Well apparently they did, didn't they?

Bad Collin
June 12th, 2015, 8:48 AM
He's worth £50m if Man City will pay £50m. Sterling is an exciting young player with a big reputation, he's achieved bugger all but City are swimming in money and we don't have to sell.

ECG, we don't know what he has been offered. However, I suspect that we'll go back with a big offer once this issue with his agent has calmed down unless someone meets his asking price.

Bad Collin
June 12th, 2015, 8:49 AM
We've signed Bogdan. I can't help but think that this is because he played so well against us in the cup.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 12th, 2015, 8:50 AM
In fact Real Madrid and Barca actively wanted rid of Ozil and Sanchez. This obviously changes their value.

Beefy
June 12th, 2015, 8:50 AM
"Worth" means nothing. A player is worth whatever a club will pay for him and whatever a club will sell him for. Liverpool have no need to sell Sterling unless they have an offer that makes it worth their while. As ECG said, they won't buy a better player for £30m.

Ringo
June 12th, 2015, 8:51 AM
I think Barcelona were also supposed to have actually paid another £30m or so in various shady bonuses for Neymar.

BBF
June 12th, 2015, 8:51 AM
I assumed he was much older but he's only 27. In fact the whole of Liverpools squad is deceptively young. Milner is 4th eldest and he's not even 30.

Regarding bogdan

Ringo
June 12th, 2015, 8:52 AM
We've signed Bogdan. I can't help but think that this is because he played so well against us in the cup.

Better second choice than Brad Jones I'm sure.

Gary J
June 12th, 2015, 9:06 AM
Raheem Sterling would be a better second choice keeper if we are being honest.

Ringo
June 12th, 2015, 9:44 AM
Apparently Ravel Morrison is homesick and wants to go back to England before he's even played a game for Lazio. :D

Simon
June 12th, 2015, 10:06 AM
That said, if they think he is worth £50 million then they probably should have offered him more money to stay.
This is what it comes down to. Liverpool are caught in their own hypocrisy - valuing Sterling as a £50m player but paying him about half what a player of that value should be getting.

The Rosk
June 12th, 2015, 10:13 AM
Can't wait for them to try and argue Benteke's fee down.

Simon
June 12th, 2015, 10:14 AM
Benteke is set in stone isn't he? Meet his release fee or no sale.

RuneEdge
June 12th, 2015, 10:14 AM
At 24 years old, his £32m buy out clause is actually a fair deal.

RFF Champ
June 12th, 2015, 10:28 AM
At 24 years old, his £32m buy out clause is actually a fair deal.

Not if you scouted him before March.

RuneEdge
June 12th, 2015, 11:31 AM
The way I see it, Benteke has had a few good seasons, had his slump, and then shown that he can recover and get back to his best. If anything, it shows me that he's been more thoroughly tested in this league, and has come through it looking good. Unlike some players who only have one good season, decline, and then never rediscover their best form.

Chris Scott
June 13th, 2015, 11:47 AM
We should accept £25M plus Dzeko for Sterling.

MMH
June 14th, 2015, 4:02 PM
Allegedly Deulofeu is coming back to us for 3M.

That would be ridiculous if so.

Beefy
June 14th, 2015, 4:08 PM
They can't sign players this window can they? Very odd.

Gary J
June 14th, 2015, 4:26 PM
I thought they couldn't sign anyone but saw they signed some player from Sevilla the other day so guess not.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 14th, 2015, 4:31 PM
Any players they agree to sign now can't join/play for them until January.

It's a bit of a shit idea really, they should have been banned from all transfer activity, including pre-agreements and negotiations. They've signed Vidal, if they end up signing a couple of other players like Pogba and Gundogan then sitting on them for a few months then it makes a mockery of the whole idea as a punishment.

Delofeu is never going to do anything there with Suarez, Messi and Neymar ahead of him so he might as well go to Everton.

turdpower
June 14th, 2015, 4:54 PM
It's very difficult to actually do the punishment - you can't ban someone from spending money however they wish.

They are effectively banned from registering players.

turdpower
June 14th, 2015, 4:55 PM
This is what it comes down to. Liverpool are caught in their own hypocrisy - valuing Sterling as a £50m player but paying him about half what a player of that value should be getting.

They have offered him over 100k a week which he turned down. They have rejected a below 30m offer.

That all seems fair to me.

MMH
June 14th, 2015, 5:05 PM
They can't sign players this window can they? Very odd.

He's nowhere near the first team though.

Ringo
June 14th, 2015, 5:31 PM
Just watched Venezuela beat Colombia in the Copa America. Falcao was not good.

The Rosk
June 14th, 2015, 5:52 PM
There is a rumour that Villa are considering going for Jamie Vardy and Leicester are asking for £15million.

Please let this just be a fucking rumour.

son_of_foley
June 15th, 2015, 3:58 AM
Jesus that is crazy and I quite like him as a player (he is very very limited though)

5.5m for Huddlestone they are saying. Be an interesting signing for Villa I guess.

son_of_foley
June 15th, 2015, 4:00 AM
We're linked with Weiman btw. Supposed to be tying it up. It's a weird one the fee being spoken about (2.5m) is pretty large but I also don't see where he plays.

We have Bent and Martin so maybe we go 2 up top and Weiman is off the bench? Seems crazy for us to spend that money on a 3rd choice striker but seems crazier to pay that to play him on the wing as he looks pretty average out wide. Great finisher I thought but all round play not great

The Rosk
June 15th, 2015, 5:57 AM
I have always liked Weimann. The issue is that he was taught how to play football as a proper old school centre forward, if you look at any of his goals they are pretty much all great instinctive finishes. However he has been played out wide for a few seasons now mainly because he works his absolute arse off, and because we've had expensive strikers to keep happy up top. I genuinely think he could be a good striker especially at Championship level as his instincts are great and he's tireless, but I worry he's just been played a bit all over the shop and has lost what he once was.

MMH
June 15th, 2015, 12:58 PM
"Worth" means nothing. A player is worth whatever a club will pay for him and whatever a club will sell him for. Liverpool have no need to sell Sterling unless they have an offer that makes it worth their while. As ECG said, they won't buy a better player for £30m.

Only just noticed this.

Of course they could! You can buy a lot for 30M.

The Rosk
June 15th, 2015, 1:03 PM
In my day, by gum, kids don't know they're born, bloody Nora.

son_of_foley
June 15th, 2015, 2:00 PM
Only just noticed this.

Of course they could! You can buy a lot for 30M.

1.5 Dejan Lovrens for example

MMH
June 15th, 2015, 4:41 PM
1.5 Dejan Lovrens for example

Or half a million Seamus Colemans.

That would be some squad that.

son_of_foley
June 15th, 2015, 4:48 PM
Andy Carroll

El Capitano Gatisto
June 15th, 2015, 5:21 PM
Only just noticed this.

Of course they could! You can buy a lot for 30M.

Wise up. Maybe in CM 93/94 they could go out and get Paul Merson in his prime as well as a young Alan Shearer. Nowadays they wouldn't get a player as good and as potentially great as Sterling for £30 million. The equivalent class of young attacking midfielders who have moved in European football in recent years, like Hazard, Lucas Moura, Memphis Depay, Erik Lamela have all went for as much or more than £30 million and with less impressive performances behind them.

Unless you reckon they can pick up some cheap unknown player with as much ability to impact the team in the short and long term, in which case they could do that anyway and keep Sterling, if it was that easy.

Look at the prices being talked about for Ross Barkley and all hes done is be tall and do a few Cruyff turns in his own half. Would you suggest Everton should just let him go for a price some other club decides is fair?

The Rosk
June 15th, 2015, 5:28 PM
They could get Benteke for that and a few more million.

MMH
June 15th, 2015, 5:54 PM
Wise up. Maybe in CM 93/94 they could go out and get Paul Merson in his prime as well as a young Alan Shearer. Nowadays they wouldn't get a player as good and as potentially great as Sterling for £30 million. The equivalent class of young attacking midfielders who have moved in European football in recent years, like Hazard, Lucas Moura, Memphis Depay, Erik Lamela have all went for as much or more than £30 million and with less impressive performances behind them.

Unless you reckon they can pick up some cheap unknown player with as much ability to impact the team in the short and long term, in which case they could do that anyway and keep Sterling, if it was that easy.

Look at the prices being talked about for Ross Barkley and all hes done is be tall and do a few Cruyff turns in his own half. Would you suggest Everton should just let him go for a price some other club decides is fair?

There are loads of players out there that could be had for 30M who could replace Sterling. With any transfer there are risks involved etc but you could easily find someone for 30M if you know what you are doing. You could replace him for 500k, you never know do you? To say a player who has had one decent season can't be replaced is a bit daft.

I didnt say sell him for 30M either (personally I think it's a fair price but as I have said before I think he is massively overrated and of suspect character) thats Liverpools choice at the end of the day but lets not pretend that he cant be replaced for that amount. Of course he could be, you are buying potential with Sterling, not the finished article, and you could do likewise the other way. You lot are acting like they have offered 5M for him.

I'd let Barkley go for 10M. He's lazy and lacks a brain but that's beside the point.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 15th, 2015, 6:07 PM
Nope, just saying that they could not replace him for £30 million. They have no need to sell either so there's no onus to accept a bid. They have him tied down to a big contract so his value is protected.

Statistically, Sterling has compared favourably to Messi and Ronaldo at the same age. But aside from that, his performances as a teenager have been enough to show that he has a huge amount of talent. On what planet would a team with a talent like Sterling, with the performances he has shown in the Premier League and for England, let the player go for less than £30 million? It wouldn't happen. So Liverpool could not buy a player as good now or as potentially good for that price. If you feel different then feel free to let me know which player you have in mind. He's already essentially their most potent attacking player.

It's all very well saying you can replace one good player by getting a good transfer fee, but Spurs and Liverpool themselves have shown it doesn't work like that and that one match-winner if worth more than 5 decent players or money in the bank.

MMH
June 15th, 2015, 6:30 PM
Nope, just saying that they could not replace him for £30 million. They have no need to sell either so there's no onus to accept a bid. They have him tied down to a big contract so his value is protected.

Statistically, Sterling has compared favourably to Messi and Ronaldo at the same age. But aside from that, his performances as a teenager have been enough to show that he has a huge amount of talent. On what planet would a team with a talent like Sterling, with the performances he has shown in the Premier League and for England, let the player go for less than £30 million? It wouldn't happen. So Liverpool could not buy a player as good now or as potentially good for that price. If you feel different then feel free to let me know which player you have in mind. He's already essentially their most potent attacking player.

It's all very well saying you can replace one good player by getting a good transfer fee, but Spurs and Liverpool themselves have shown it doesn't work like that and that one match-winner if worth more than 5 decent players or money in the bank.

Oh dont get me wrong I wouldnt trust Liverpools current regime to replace him.

We sold Rooney for 27M after we came 17th and bought in Marcus Bent and Tim Cahill for a combined 2.5M and came 4th. You never know what will happen with signings.

My problem is I just dont see the fuss over Stirling. (yeah yeah, Everton Bias etc). He looked a cracking player last season but was afforded a lot of space as teams focussed (unsuccessfully) on Suarez and Sturridge to a lesser extent. This season he has been pretty average and some of his personality issues have come to the fore as well. He had one decent world cup game (in a shit team to be fair). He's obviously get ability I'm just not convinced he's showing it fully or if he will in the future.

I do think they could be a better player for what he provides currently, in the future, who knows? But to say he couldnt be replaced for that amount just isnt true. Anyone can be replaced. I dunno, I dont have a dossier on talented youngsters or whatever but off the top of my head you could get a Julian Draxler for about 20M. Domenico Berardi who I'm a big fan of, players like that would cost less. Obviously you dont know how they will settle, fit in etc but nobody is irreplaceable as such. I suppose your main issue would be convincing these players to join Liverpool but its proving equally as hard to convince Stirling to stay too...

Im not convinced with the not needing to sell either. They are indeed protected for now but if he wants to leave as much as he seems to then there is going to become an issue sooner rather than later.

Realistically regardless of my feelings about him as a player all I am saying is that it's a bit mad to say he can't be replaced for 30M as he didnt set the word alight last season for them. Im not saying it would be easy of course.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 15th, 2015, 6:34 PM
Yeah there's no way Draxler or Berardi will be going to non-Champion's League teams. Arsenal were bidding/quoted £35 million for Draxler two years ago as well so he's unlikely to have got cheaper since then. £30 million is probably about the going rate for a player of Sterling's ability if you have the selling club over a barrel or if they could use the money to strengthen the team overall. The sort of player Liverpool need to get top 4 is going to cost more than that.

Mario Gotze is another young attacking midfielder who went for around £30 million vis release clause. It hasn't worked out for him obviously but I doubt he would go for any less then £20 million even now.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 15th, 2015, 6:34 PM
Yeah there's no way Draxler or Berardi will be going to non-Champion's League teams. Arsenal were bidding/quoted £35 million for Draxler two years ago as well so he's unlikely to have got cheaper since then. £30 million is probably about the going rate for a player of Sterling's ability if you have the selling club over a barrel or if they could use the money to strengthen the team overall. The sort of player Liverpool need to get top 4 is going to cost more than that.

Mario Gotze is another young attacking midfielder who went for around £30 million vis release clause. It hasn't worked out for him obviously but I doubt he would go for any less then £20 million even now.

Ringo
June 15th, 2015, 6:36 PM
Weren't Arsenal rumoured to have bid around £30m for Draxler? And Schalke said it wasn't enough? I know they have financial problems but I'm sure there'd be teams willing to pay more than £20m. Berardi's one of the hottest properties in Italy and I'm sure Juve have big plans for him. Can't see them accepting that kind of money either.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 15th, 2015, 6:39 PM
It's also worth bearing in mind just how daft prices are right now. Otamendi, a decent defender but no more, is being quoted at €35 million or more. Pogba, who has talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but who I've never actually seen really play well for an entire game, is being quoted at £60 - 70 million by Juventus. If de Bruyne goes to City it will probably be £30 million+.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 15th, 2015, 6:43 PM
Firmino's agent has apparently confirmed he has signed for an English club so maybe Liverpool have pulled off a sneaky bargain there. Seems doubtful.

Bad Collin
June 15th, 2015, 6:47 PM
I thought he was off to United.

Romford Pele
June 16th, 2015, 7:07 AM
Funnily enough few media outlets are saying we are back in for Draxler. Because obviously we need another central attacking midfielder. £30m being quoted.

Ringo
June 16th, 2015, 8:11 AM
Man City signing Patrick Roberts apparently.

Romford Pele
June 16th, 2015, 10:08 AM
City are just going for anyone english.

JP
June 16th, 2015, 10:24 AM
Cech looks pretty certain to be moving across London, which is a brilliant move for him and Arsenal. Quite a nice gesture from Chelsea too, for his years of service.

That would be one of the positions Wegner need to buy in done with. Three to go.

Romford Pele
June 16th, 2015, 12:09 PM
That would be a great signing. I'll believe it when I see it though, Jose hates Arsenal.

What are the other 3 positions JP? I think just a striker and defensive midfielder.

Andy
June 16th, 2015, 12:18 PM
I'm quite torn over what we need this summer. You look at the run we put together in the middle of the season and you'd think we can challenge with two or three additions. But is that just down to the weakness of the league? United, City and Liverpool will all be thinking they can't do any worse.

I think the real answer comes when you compare the quality of our first choice XI to Chelsea's. They set the benchmark last year and I think only Sanchez would get in their team. Cases could be made for Koscielny and Cazorla but I think that's it. I think we need quality signings at GK, CB, DM and CF.

Simon
June 16th, 2015, 12:20 PM
Koscielny would definitely get in, Cahill was crap for much of last year.

Ringo
June 16th, 2015, 12:50 PM
It'll be hard to see Cech playing for Arsenal and it does seem nuts to allow a world class goalkeeper to join a rival but he's given us 11 years of excellent service and it's understandable that he wants to stay in London where his family is settled. I like the suggestion that Mourinho could try and take a player from Arsenal in return.

As for Falcao, Sky Sources say it's done... :\

At least it's a loan rather than the permanent transfer some papers were touting last week. Hope there's a wage cut and hope it's all part of a master plan and he was deliberately shit at United. Skeptical at best.

Simon
June 17th, 2015, 4:47 AM
City have bid £35.5m for Sterling.

BBF
June 17th, 2015, 4:58 AM
Liverpool should take it and run.

They've apparently agreed the deal for Kovacic but Inter are waiting to finalise a deal for Duda before it all goes through.

RuneEdge
June 17th, 2015, 5:27 AM
Sky are saying its £40m that City have bid. Probably made up with about £5m in addons.

Romford Pele
June 17th, 2015, 5:49 AM
Liverpool should snap city's arm off at that price.

Ringo
June 17th, 2015, 5:55 AM
Duda the old Malaga player? That'd be a strange replacement. From what I heard Inter were intent on keeping their young assets like Kovacic and Icardi as they rebuild themselves.

Juanmi for Southampton and Joselu for Stoke look like damn good signings by the way.

RFF Champ
June 17th, 2015, 6:05 AM
Liverpool will just end blowing whatever they get from selling Sterling on Juanmi in twelve months.

BBF
June 17th, 2015, 6:24 AM
Duda the old Malaga player? That'd be a strange replacement.

Ondrej Duda from Legia.

Ringo
June 17th, 2015, 6:43 AM
:yes:

Simon
June 17th, 2015, 6:45 AM
OBVIOUSLY Ringo :rolleyes:

Ringo
June 17th, 2015, 6:56 AM
He's such a fucking football expert.

BBF
June 17th, 2015, 7:00 AM
Look lads, if you don't know who Ondrej Duda is then you probably need to shut up and leave.

Romford Pele
June 17th, 2015, 8:55 AM
Micah Richards apparently signed at Villa now. What do you make of that Rosk, good signing?

Pretty good for a free I reckon.

The Rosk
June 17th, 2015, 9:03 AM
Bit concerning he's played 10 games in the last decade, but better than nothing. Apparently we are signing him as a centre back (his preferred position) as we're expecting to lose Vlaar and Senderos, and that would leave us with only Clark, Baker and Okore, two of whom are youngish bombscares. He's also on a mentally big wage.

However, happy with it for now.

Romford Pele
June 17th, 2015, 9:10 AM
Anything is better than Senderos. Vlaar will be a big loss though I would think.

The Rosk
June 17th, 2015, 9:24 AM
Vlaar is a good player who had a fantastic World Cup but heavily injury-prone and prone to big clangers. He won’t be as big a loss as he was a year or so ago to be honest, a few Villa fans have gone off him.

RFF Champ
June 17th, 2015, 9:44 AM
I thought Alan Hutton had a very good season.

The Rosk
June 17th, 2015, 10:02 AM
That literally has nothing to do with the transfer. Part of him choosing us over (appaz) more money at Sunderland was that we were promising him a centre-back slot. Hutton had a decent season and will most likely be kept on. Lowton has gone from being a right-back full of potential scoring worldies to being tossed to the side for the Scottish Cafu.

RFF Champ
June 17th, 2015, 10:31 AM
It was relevant, kind of. Hutton was massive during a time that N'Zogbia was playing in front of him but also tucking in a lot. Richardson or whoever at left back had the added protection of Delph who is a workhorse. Hutton managed to add an attacking edge and be defensively sound enough to make the system effective. Sherwood would be mad to let him go.

Chris Scott
June 17th, 2015, 1:00 PM
Liverpool should take it and run.

They've apparently agreed the deal for Kovacic but Inter are waiting to finalise a deal for Duda before it all goes through.

All I'm hearing from Inter is no deal has been agreed.

Chris Scott
June 17th, 2015, 1:02 PM
And we should be putting Sterling on a private plane asap for that price.

Bad Collin
June 17th, 2015, 2:10 PM
Why would he need a plane? It's just down the road.

I think they'll pay more.

Chris Scott
June 17th, 2015, 3:45 PM
To get him to City even faster, private jet I should've said.

Bad Collin
June 17th, 2015, 3:57 PM
Still wouldn't make it faster. He lives in Southport and I think he could drive to the Eithad quicker than he could drive the John Lennon airport, fly to Manchester Airport then drive from there to the Etihad.

Simon
June 18th, 2015, 5:11 AM
Liverpool have rejected City's second bid.

son_of_foley
June 18th, 2015, 5:15 AM
I think they'll get closer to 50m offered.

Let's be honest they did pretty brilliant with Suarez and Arsenal. They played hard ball.

Andy
June 18th, 2015, 7:30 AM
He's got potential no doubt, £30m seemed about right. If they're willing to spend upwards of £40m on an attacking player I'd be making a play for Reus I think. Or maybe taking a punt on someone like Gotze for less money and getting another player in. Whoever gets Pedro this season will have done well.

Romford Pele
June 18th, 2015, 7:47 AM
Yeah but they need 'homegrown' players to avoid being fined/having limited CL squad next season. £50m would be laughable though.

Ringo
June 18th, 2015, 7:57 AM
Pedro renewed with Barca.

Chris Scott
June 18th, 2015, 2:16 PM
Still wouldn't make it faster. He lives in Southport and I think he could drive to the Eithad quicker than he could drive the John Lennon airport, fly to Manchester Airport then drive from there to the Etihad.

He might off gone away on holiday after the England game.

Peter Griffin
June 18th, 2015, 3:17 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHzfosKWEAA3mFW.jpg

Chris Scott
June 19th, 2015, 12:49 PM
#ofnotmakingittotheprem

Peter Griffin
June 19th, 2015, 12:57 PM
Says him who's team are on chapter 138 of not going to win the league.

Chris Scott
June 19th, 2015, 1:00 PM
Yes knew that was coming.

Think he's a really good signing along with Ince.

The Rosk
June 19th, 2015, 1:53 PM
I'm a little sad to see Weimann go. However I doubt he'd get into any Premier League XI at the moment, so hopefully Derby can bring him back to life. Weird signing for them given Bent and Martin are there as someone said earlier.

Also weird to see Lowton's fall from grace, going for a mere £1m to Burnley.

Looks like we are going after Townsend next and Sherwood will stop at nothing to get him. Will be quite interesting to see our striker situation with Bent, Weimann and presumably Benteke all leaving. Gabby as lone front man? Yikes.

Simon
June 19th, 2015, 2:12 PM
We've signed Trippier from Burnley. Not particularly enthused, doesn't say much for Yedlin and Fredericks' prospects. Not convinced either him or Walker are good enough for where we want to be either. Four specialist right backs now and Dier is better than any of them on last year's form.

The Rosk
June 19th, 2015, 2:14 PM
I've heard we are also after Walker. Maybe you could suggest another massive big swap deal for them two and 20m for Benteke.

MMH
June 19th, 2015, 2:52 PM
We've signed Trippier from Burnley. Not particularly enthused, doesn't say much for Yedlin and Fredericks' prospects. Not convinced either him or Walker are good enough for where we want to be either. Four specialist right backs now and Dier is better than any of them on last year's form.

Trippier is quality, I reckon he will surprise you. Up there with the best right backs in the league in my opinion.

Ringo
June 19th, 2015, 2:56 PM
On the subject of Villa, Carlos Sanchez had an absolutely brilliant game for Colombia against Brazil. Has to be one of the best performances by a defensive midfielder I've seen in a long time. Bossed Neymar, Firmino etc. Weird since I read he was pretty poor for Villa last season.

Chris Scott
June 19th, 2015, 4:05 PM
I thought he played at the back for Villa.

Simon
June 19th, 2015, 6:03 PM
Trippier is quality, I reckon he will surprise you. Up there with the best right backs in the league in my opinion.

Hope so, I haven't seen a huge amount of him but when I did see him he looked alright without really impressing me. I would have loved us to go for Coleman as he is class imo weird that Clyne is interesting all the top clubs but Coleman isn't, is it just a case of him being too expensive or is there something I'm missing cos he always looks great when I see him.

MMH
June 19th, 2015, 7:38 PM
Hope so, I haven't seen a huge amount of him but when I did see him he looked alright without really impressing me. I would have loved us to go for Coleman as he is class imo weird that Clyne is interesting all the top clubs but Coleman isn't, is it just a case of him being too expensive or is there something I'm missing cos he always looks great when I see him.

We have a big price on Colemans head and he seems happy here, he's never struck me as the type to rock the boat or anything so it would probably take a pretty big offer from a big club to make him move.

Clyne is younger, English and cheaper which would explain the interest I suppose.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 19th, 2015, 7:41 PM
Coleman signed a new contract last year, Clyne's runs out next year.

The Rosk
June 20th, 2015, 3:16 AM
On the subject of Villa, Carlos Sanchez had an absolutely brilliant game for Colombia against Brazil. Has to be one of the best performances by a defensive midfielder I've seen in a long time. Bossed Neymar, Firmino etc. Weird since I read he was pretty poor for Villa last season.

Yep he looks potentially quality, and he had an up and down season but I'm pretty sure that was just a 23?year old getting used to the pace of the game after Spain. He's got a great touch and read of the game but needs consistency.

son_of_foley
June 20th, 2015, 4:30 AM
So what do people think of 40m valuation of Wilshere. I know no bid has been confirmed yet but surely those who thought sterling wasn't worth that think the same of Wilshere

Romford Pele
June 20th, 2015, 4:42 AM
I would take £40m as he is not first choice and is injury prone. Would still be gutted as he is a fan and came through the ranks, but for that money we could strengthen the side.

Cech for £14m to us very close to happening now apparently

El Capitano Gatisto
June 20th, 2015, 4:46 AM
He's potentially a superb player. Unfortunately he has potentially been a superb player for 5 years now and had spent most of that time on the sidelines with injuries. 23 is the time when he should really be one of Arsenal's and England's most important players, but he isn't because he can't be relied upon for form or fitness.

Mik
June 20th, 2015, 8:18 AM
Not seen us especially linked with signing anyone, nor with offloading any of the shit that almost got us relegated last season. Just keeping you all updated with the lack of activity.

The Rosk
June 20th, 2015, 9:06 AM
Ahahhahahhasgahaa

Romford Pele
June 20th, 2015, 10:32 AM
Were you not in for Carl Jenkinson?

son_of_foley
June 20th, 2015, 12:19 PM
Not seen us especially linked with signing anyone, nor with offloading any of the shit that almost got us relegated last season. Just keeping you all updated with the lack of activity.

Liam birdcutt linked with us as well

RFF Champ
June 20th, 2015, 12:28 PM
He's potentially a superb player. Unfortunately he has potentially been a superb player for 5 years now and had spent most of that time on the sidelines with injuries. 23 is the time when he should really be one of Arsenal's and England's most important players, but he isn't because he can't be relied upon for form or fitness.

I think he probably is one of England's most important players. In that deep role he's added an extra attacking edge and ability to drive past players with ease. It's an interesting element of the England midfield and we look fairly pensive without it.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 20th, 2015, 12:30 PM
Against decent teams he actually hasn't been that good for England. I agree that he has the ability to drive forward and go past players, but he's always injured and, whether it's England's tactics or not, in important competitive games against reasonable opposition, he looks quite pedestrian at times.

Bad Collin
June 20th, 2015, 12:35 PM
We've signed Joe Gomez then. I know nothing about him but I have a mate who supports Charlton and he's told me that he is the new Rio Ferdinand.

Chris Scott
June 20th, 2015, 7:05 PM
Nothing against us singing the lad but it's a shame we have no kid coming through instead of paying money for one. But I guess he must be really good then.

Beefy
June 21st, 2015, 4:10 AM
Against decent teams he actually hasn't been that good for England. I agree that he has the ability to drive forward and go past players, but he's always injured and, whether it's England's tactics or not, in important competitive games against reasonable opposition, he looks quite pedestrian at times.

To be honest I can't remember him playing any decent teams in competitive games for England since he was a teenager. He didn't get off the bench against Italy or Uruguay in the World Cup and was injured in 2012.

He hasn't kicked on like I thought he would certainly and whoever he plays for next season he needs to get 40 games played.

Bad Collin
June 21st, 2015, 6:04 AM
The Express are saying that City will cough up the £50m for Raheem.

Andy
June 21st, 2015, 4:51 PM
I'd be gutted to see Wilshere go, it'd probably be worse than Fabregas. I know they days of loyalty are dead but Wilshere has shown flashes of such brilliance and he's been with us since he was a boy. Would be a real shit one. Hope the rumours of Chelsea interest in Ox are just that, he really started kicking on before his injury this season.

Chris Scott
June 21st, 2015, 5:41 PM
The Express are saying that City will cough up the £50m for Raheem.

Madness but we've been here before so let's not hope it's last day and we do a Andy Carroll.

Chris Scott
June 21st, 2015, 5:42 PM
I'd be gutted to see Wilshere go, it'd probably be worse than Fabregas. I know they days of loyalty are dead but Wilshere has shown flashes of such brilliance and he's been with us since he was a boy. Would be a real shit one. Hope the rumours of Chelsea interest in Ox are just that, he really started kicking on before his injury this season.

I'd be devastated if I was an Arsenal fan and he went, brings me back memories when Robbie Fowler left.

Bad Collin
June 21st, 2015, 7:16 PM
Madness but we've been here before so let's not hope it's last day and we do a Andy Carroll.

I think we've learnt our lesson. I doubt we'd sell if it gets close to August.

son_of_foley
June 22nd, 2015, 2:05 AM
Daily mail reporting that Stirling has come home from holiday early. They said he flew rather than drove. #chrisscottknows #planequickerthancar

Bad Collin
June 22nd, 2015, 4:47 AM
Looks like we were both wrong

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02386/01_21020743_dc4354_2386344a.jpg

Chris Scott
June 22nd, 2015, 1:08 PM
:D

RuneEdge
June 22nd, 2015, 4:07 PM
We've been heavily linked with Ramos and Schweinsteiger in the last couple of days.

So expect contract extensions for the both of them. :yes:

Ringo
June 22nd, 2015, 4:53 PM
Juventus signed Mandzukic so looks like Tevez is off back to Boca after all. Inter have splashed €35m on Kondogbia despite Milan seemingly being convinced they were getting him. And they're heavily linked with Miranda and Salah. Might be making a bit of a comeback.

Also Norwich have picked up Mulumbu on a free. Bargain.

Simon
June 23rd, 2015, 5:30 AM
Kondogbia is class, surprised he isn't going to a better side. Weird to be talking about Inter in that way.

wardy
June 23rd, 2015, 5:56 AM
We've been heavily linked with Ramos and Schweinsteiger in the last couple of days.

So expect contract extensions for the both of them. :yes:
Sky Sports News was on with the sound down in my work and it seemed to show highlights of Sergio Ramos' career all night. I thought he had died.

Simon
June 23rd, 2015, 8:43 AM
Cech to Arsenal seems to be done. Irritatingly good move for Arsenal, they've missed having a top class keeper for a long time.

Ringo
June 23rd, 2015, 9:06 AM
Can't wait to see Falcao put a few past him...

:cry:

RFF Champ
June 23rd, 2015, 9:29 AM
Jury must be out on Cech given he's not played in a year and before Courtois came in most people were calling for Courtois to come in. I'm sure you'd find a post from most people panning Cech and his declining ability in the last few years. It's a no-brainer for Arsenal at the price if he's at his best but there's definitely a question mark over that.

Ringo
June 23rd, 2015, 9:43 AM
I don't recall that. People were only calling for Courtois to come in because of his age and after three seasons at Atletico he had to start playing or he'd leave. Most Chelsea fans were still very much behind Cech and whilst most agreed that Courtois would be the smart pick as he could be our keeper for another 10 years+, there were some suggesting we should stick with Cech for all he'd done and because there was less risk involved. Courtois had apparently fallen in love with Madrid and there were no guarantees that he'd adapt. Cech was in the team of the year for 13/14 and whenever he came in for Courtois last season looked just as good.

Jake Humphrey posted a video where he discusses Cech with Mourinho who basically said it was Abramovich's decision to let Cech go to Arsenal as a reward and that it wouldn't have been his decision. He said he respects it but you have to wonder if that's the first signs of conflict between the two.

RFF Champ
June 23rd, 2015, 10:01 AM
Just a quick sample of comments about Cech, that goes to show that he's not nailed on to be top class for Arsenal. Like I say, it's definitely the right signing for Arsenal but he's not sure to be the World Class signing that he's being touted as given he's shown some patchy form.


Cech is just a decent keeper nowadays. Not as shit as he was for a couple of years after his brain got smashed in, but nowhere near as good as he was prior to that.


He was superb for us last season. He has been a bit poorer under Benitez but I would still have him ahead of Hart.


What's Petr Cech up to there? AvB may get abuse for the selection but he's being really let down by some daft play from the squad he has to work with.


Two goals in four days Chelsea have conceded from Cech being a scaredy cat.


Cech is dogshit.


Cech has had an absolute shocker.


Woeful from Cech there. This game is nuts.

Beefy
June 23rd, 2015, 10:13 AM
Slare and Andy? Really?

"dogshit" is a complement from Hlebsfall.

RFF Champ
June 23rd, 2015, 10:38 AM
Responding to stuff like this probably

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/11/09/Long.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_9pIYtY8Z4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30giLyO1_aQ

Beefy
June 23rd, 2015, 10:41 AM
Can't view the Youtube ones in work. What is wrong with the WBA gif?

All goalkeepers make mistakes. It is the nature of the job. Schmeichel would have two or three shockers a season.

The stats suggest that Cech is still a top keeper. I've a feeling he'll do a similar job for Arsenal as VDS did at Man United.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/petr-cech-vs-thibaut-courtois-statistics-show-the-czech-was-better-for-chelsea-last-season-than-the-belgian-has-been-so-far-this-year-9882005.html

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/21/these-stats-show-arsenal-must-complete-petr-cech-transfer-5256418/

RFF Champ
June 23rd, 2015, 10:56 AM
Of course they do, I'm only pointing out that there have been murmurings about Cech needing replacing since 2011 and enough to suggest he's not a nailed on great signing. It's not worth discussing stats with a 7 game sample size and the other article doesn't appear to publish the stats it references, I think we're all in agreement that replacing Cech with Courtois was absolutely the right thing to do.

Simon
June 23rd, 2015, 11:02 AM
Does anyone else think Courtois is slightly overrated? I thought he did well last season but people talk about him as the best in the world - for me he's probably only third best in the PL behind De Gea and Lloris, before you even take into account Neuer, ter Stegen, Handanovic etc.

Ringo
June 23rd, 2015, 11:03 AM
Most of those comments seem to be from quite a while ago and I don't think all of them were accurate either. Commenting on one error that wasn't representative of his general form, for example. He did have a slump a while back but his performances towards the end of the 2011/12 CL/FA Cup winning season did a lot to rectify that. I don't really remember how consistent he was in 12/13 but the praise was almost universal in 13/14 - and it was that sense that he'd recaptured his best form that prompted a hesitance about bringing Courtois in to replace him. I don't remember him putting a foot wrong in his 15 appearances last season - and while Courtois was mostly very good he was arguably at fault for a few goals.

I'd like to believe that Cech's in decline and we're not going to look a bit stupid when he gives Arsenal a real boost, but I don't really see it.

BBF
June 23rd, 2015, 11:07 AM
What is wrong with that WBA gif? He makes a good point blank save and is up within seconds but can't do anything as his defenders don't even contest the header.

Of course he'll be great. He's only 33 ffs. Ridiculous notion to suggest he'll won't be great.

RFF Champ
June 23rd, 2015, 11:12 AM
What is wrong with that WBA gif? He makes a good point blank save and is up within seconds but can't do anything as his defenders don't even contest the header.

Of course he'll be great. He's only 33 ffs. Ridiculous notion to suggest he'll won't be great.

Ridiculous notion because one of the GIFs can't be considered an error or not? Whatever it is, it's a mile away from ridiculous to suggest he might not be top class sill. Simon has said he's top class when he's made several comments in the past about how ordinary and error prone he is. He's had a year out and it's forgotten that he went through patchy form where he was literally gifting goals. Try and imagine it was Joe Hart in the GIF and you'd be saying he shouldn't be palming it into his own six yard box.

Beefy
June 23rd, 2015, 11:15 AM
I think we're all in agreement that replacing Cech with Courtois was absolutely the right thing to do.

Nah.

BBF
June 23rd, 2015, 11:15 AM
But you used that gif as one of three examples of him being described as 'dogshit'. If it was any goalie I really wouldn't. I almost always come down on the side of the goalie in almost every situation as his job is infinitely harder than any other player, imo.

I think he's a class signing and, at 33, is still a good age to get a few years out of him. He was the top goalie in the world 3 years ago, he's not suddenly turned to shite.

RFF Champ
June 23rd, 2015, 11:23 AM
I never called him dogshit, far from it, I think he's a smart signing for Arsenal in the circumstances. 3 years ago he was palming the ball to a Greek striker in the 6 yard box for zero reason, I don't think he's been in contention for top goalie in the World for several years.

BBF
June 23rd, 2015, 11:25 AM
No but you provided evidence of why he'd been described as shit. I don't know why him having a patch of bad form means the jury would be out tbh. I'd still have Cech over Courtois. They ran the risk of losing Courtois so had to make the change.

Andy
June 23rd, 2015, 12:52 PM
This is typical time for keepers to be coming into their prime. Not just that, Cech has been at the top for over a decade. He'll be a leader on the pitch and in the dressing room and we don't have enough of them.

Simon
June 23rd, 2015, 1:32 PM
If keepers keep themselves in good nick it seems to be pretty much standard to last til 40 now, so 33 is the equivalent of maybe 28 for an outfield players.

_me
June 23rd, 2015, 2:43 PM
I always say I don't know shit about GKs but my meaningless opinions:

Courtois is better than Cech already.
But Cech is better than anyone Arsenal have had in over 10 years.
But I wouldn't rate Cech above De Gea, Lloris, or Courtois. He's about level with Hart in that next tier down.
Courtois will be the best GK in the world within 5 years if not sooner. Chelsea had to stay with him.

RuneEdge
June 23rd, 2015, 4:08 PM
So those who're still rating Petr Cech, what would you have done? Kept him and cashed in on Courtois?

Bad Collin
June 23rd, 2015, 4:10 PM
Sold him abroad

Andy
June 23rd, 2015, 4:17 PM
I still can't quite believe Chelsea are selling a good, if not great, player to a rival. Such an Arsenal thing to do.

RuneEdge
June 23rd, 2015, 4:20 PM
They sold Mata to us not long ago. Its starting to sound like a Mourinho thing.

Ringo
June 23rd, 2015, 4:26 PM
Only if you think Mourinho's lying and trying to shift any blame onto Abramovich. Which would be strange.

_me
June 23rd, 2015, 4:27 PM
(If it is true) I like that Roman had enough respect for him personally to give Cech the transfer he wanted, rather than whats best for the team. Considering all the bad you hear about Roman usually, that is a class act from an owner in a sport where they are becoming fewer and far between.

Ringo
June 23rd, 2015, 4:39 PM
Sky saying Liverpool have agreed a deal for Firmino. Sounds like a real coup if true. He's looked class when I've seen him and I've read Bundesliga followers insisting he's better than Sterling. If they get £50m for Sterling and bring in Firmino for under £20m as was rumoured, that's a hell of a deal.

El Capitano Gatisto
June 23rd, 2015, 5:05 PM
I thought last week Liverpool might end up getting him. It made absolutely no sense for United to be in for him since his position is the only part of the pitch where they are over-stocked with quality and potential (Di Maria, Mata, Herrera, Depay, Januzaj, Perreira plus Young can all play the same sort of role). I've never seen him play but Honigstein has tipped him in the past as potentially great but very inconsistent. He recently said he doesn't think he's top 4 material right now but would be well suited to the likes of Liverpool. I wonder if getting him in will allow Sterling now to be sold with the fans reassured that quality players will still be coming in.

MMH
June 23rd, 2015, 6:21 PM
Brazilians always do well over here...

Bad Collin
June 23rd, 2015, 7:09 PM
£29 million according to the BBC

Lagom
June 24th, 2015, 3:09 AM
I've only ever seen Firmino play a couple of times, and when I have he has been very good. However, the fact that we have been allowed to buy him with seemingly no competition has me convinced that there is something terribly wrong with him.

Peter Griffin
June 24th, 2015, 3:24 AM
Arsenal and Liverpool fans make me irate.

RuneEdge
June 24th, 2015, 3:28 AM
The general view on social media is that he's inconsistent. I personally don't have a clue, and can't even tell you where he plays. News reports range from attacking midfield to anywhere across the front three.

BBF
June 24th, 2015, 3:35 AM
From the small amount I've seen of him, him and coutinho could be very very nice to watch.

Lagom
June 24th, 2015, 3:39 AM
Derby fans disable my body's ability to detect humour.

Romford Pele
June 24th, 2015, 3:59 AM
Brazilians always do well over here...

Gilbeeeeeerto

Romford Pele
June 24th, 2015, 4:03 AM
I havent seen anywhere confirmed yet, and until I do I wont believe it, but if we do get Cech it is a great signing for us.

Ospina will be off but he is at best a solid number 2 keeper and this gives Sz a chance to really prove himself against one of the best when up to last season he was default first choice since about 2010. I still cant quite believe that twat Mourinho will actually sanction this, but if it is down to Roman it is about the first classy thing he has actually done.

We still need a top forward and someone to compete with Coquelin though before I think we can go for the title.

This brazilian lad is surely replacing Sterling. I'm guessing City must have offered around the £50m mark then. Madness.

Peter Griffin
June 24th, 2015, 4:09 AM
Derby fans disable my body's ability to detect humour.

Ohhh snap

RuneEdge
June 24th, 2015, 4:11 AM
Media still talking about Ramos to United. They're totally going to push this until I'm convinced, before pulling the swerve. :(

Romford Pele
June 24th, 2015, 4:11 AM
Jackson Martinez agreed to sign for Atletico. That is a blow. I wonder whether we will turn to Benteke now.

I'm not sure who else is available to be honest, when you get quoted insane prices like £70m for Higuain.

Romford Pele
June 24th, 2015, 4:12 AM
Media still talking about Ramos to United. They're totally going to push this until I'm convinced, before pulling the swerve. :(

He is doing what Alves did, get a new deal and then will tell United to sod off.

The Rosk
June 24th, 2015, 4:16 AM
I think getting Benteke could win the league for Arsenal.

Romford Pele
June 24th, 2015, 4:24 AM
How would you rate him against the likes of Aguero, Suarez, Bale etc Rosk?

Has he the potential to be world class?

Simon
June 24th, 2015, 4:57 AM
Firmino is a weird one, seems like no one had heard of him up until recently but by the looks of things he's been doing well in Germany for a few years. Then suddenly he's scoring goals for Brazil and moving for £29m.

Atletico's record of signing great forwards seems likely to continue then. Since Torres left in 2007 they've had Aguero, Forlan, Falcao, Costa, Mandzukic, Villa and Griezmann.

Beefy
June 24th, 2015, 4:57 AM
Sergio Ramos is shite.

Simon
June 24th, 2015, 5:05 AM
Sergio Ramos is shite.

Come off it. A little bit headstrong (he's held the record for La Liga red cards since he was about 27 hasn't he?) but technically excellent, a great leader, scores important goals too...he's great. And great value too.

The Rosk
June 24th, 2015, 5:07 AM
How would you rate him against the likes of Aguero, Suarez, Bale etc Rosk?

Has he the potential to be world class?

I think so. You only need to see my previous posts on the matter. He's so much better than us it's a joke. He is immense in the air, good on the ball and just bullies defenders constantly. And he can obviously score goals. His injury hit him big I think as it knocked his confidence somewhat in his leaps but when he got over that he was scoring for fun again. With an attacking team with him as the focal point he will thrive. I think he's definitely better than Giroud for example. Benteke with Sanchez, Ozil, Walcott et al behind him is a genuinely frightening prospect. I think you'd be mad not to go for him. Still young and great at almost everything. I'm sure Wenger would be a good manager for him too.

You also have to remember he's been as impressive as he's been in a team mostly under the direction of Paul Lambert, who in the first 20 games of last season had 12 goals and 15 shots. Imagine that he could do at Arsenal.

Romford Pele
June 24th, 2015, 5:12 AM
Interesting. I wonder why no one has gone in for him yet. Perhaps clubs are waiitng to see if they can business for less than the £32m buyout clause.

Simon
June 24th, 2015, 5:15 AM
I was quite surprised that City went for Bony over him - seems to me like he does everything Bony does, only slightly better. Then again Bony's record over the past two years is exceptional.