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Marlon Dingle
October 15th, 2008, 9:12 AM
Yeah, for me, much like The Fountain it's the kind of film which can be admired without following it perfectly and getting wrapped up in it all. I'd happily put it on in the background whilst getting on with something else, looking up every now and then and listening along. Of course it's better if you're watching it properly like, but both work.

Ringo, why are you not signing things anymore?

Cactus Lem
October 15th, 2008, 6:45 PM
I watched Hustle and Flow last night, honestly shocked at just what a great film it was.

Talk about a film that was totally mis-advertised. The poster and press for the movie made it seem like a ghetto gang banger romp set in the Deep South rather than LA or Harlem, but what it is is a very serious tale of rags to almost riches.

The acting was shockingly good, Terrence Howard puts in one hell of a performance, with Anthony Anderson providing Howard with very good company. I enjoyed the fatc that the film actually concentrated on the totally grim nature of ghetto life in the south, portraying pimping and drug dealing for what they truly are, de-glamourising the mis-conceptions often put across via Hip Hop, and showing what a horrible life Howard has in such a profession, compared to his straight laced friend in Anderson. Seemed very fresh.

Props to the director Craig Brewer as well, showing a lot of promise. He was especially good at using sound to describe the mood and feel of a scene, really drawing you into the characters at certain points.

Overall, I think this may arguably be the most underrated movie I've seen this decade.

Ringo
October 15th, 2008, 6:56 PM
Aye, it's real good and Terrence Howard did an excellent job. That's about all I have to offer really.

Ace Rockola
October 15th, 2008, 7:25 PM
I watched Hustle and Flow last night, honestly shocked at just what a great film it was.

Talk about a film that was totally mis-advertised. The poster and press for the movie made it seem like a ghetto gang banger romp set in the Deep South rather than LA or Harlem, but what it is is a very serious tale of rags to almost riches.

The acting was shockingly good, Terrence Howard puts in one hell of a performance, with Anthony Anderson providing Howard with very good company. I enjoyed the fatc that the film actually concentrated on the totally grim nature of ghetto life in the south, portraying pimping and drug dealing for what they truly are, de-glamourising the mis-conceptions often put across via Hip Hop, and showing what a horrible life Howard has in such a profession, compared to his straight laced friend in Anderson. Seemed very fresh.

Props to the director Craig Brewer as well, showing a lot of promise. He was especially good at using sound to describe the mood and feel of a scene, really drawing you into the characters at certain points.

Overall, I think this may arguably be the most underrated movie I've seen this decade.

Yeah, the second I saw the MTV Films logo attached to it I thought it'd be lucky to even be as good as 8 Mile. It's a fantastic movie, though the term underrated isn't one I'd use for it. As it got several award nominations and even a victory, and I can't recall having ever heard a bad word regarding the film.

Cactus Lem
October 15th, 2008, 7:41 PM
Yeah, the second I saw the MTV Films logo attached to it I thought it'd be lucky to even be as good as 8 Mile. It's a fantastic movie, though the term underrated isn't one I'd use for it. As it got several award nominations and even a victory, and I can't recall having ever heard a bad word regarding the film.

Perhaps it got more attention state-side, but I just can't really ever remember hearing much here about the movie outside of Howard's Best Actor Oscar nomination.

Hulkamaniac
October 16th, 2008, 3:52 AM
Thats a pretty big accolade for a film that size though.

RFF Champ
October 16th, 2008, 6:24 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Planet-Earth-Complete-BBC-Disc/dp/B000EXZL4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1224195783&sr=1-1

Planet Earth for 12.98! Bargain. I've been meaning to buy it for a while but that's a steal at that price. I felt I wanted to share this with you all.

Ringo
October 16th, 2008, 6:34 PM
Bastard. Cost me 18.99, was happy with that though.

Just Joe
October 16th, 2008, 6:53 PM
I have the DVD set but wouldn't mind investing in the Blu-Ray HD set. Heard it's jaw dropping but it's like 40. :\

Pablo Diablo
October 16th, 2008, 9:26 PM
The Blu-Ray version is jaw dropping. Just greatness, but if you already have it I don't know if I'd say you should spend 40 on it.

Dubya
November 2nd, 2008, 9:29 PM
So I'm about 20 minutes into You Don't Mess With the Zohan and all I have to say is, 'wow'.

EDIT: And now.. a little over an hour later, that is still the only statement that comes to mind.

Thirteen
November 2nd, 2008, 11:11 PM
I watched Grindhouse for the first time today.

Planet Terror wasn't bad. It came off kind of like a cheesy, tongue in cheek horror movie, which I think is exactly what it was supposed to be. It was fun and that's all I can say about it. I'm glad I didn't spend any money on it, as it was on Encore on Demand, so it was free for me.

However, I thought Deathproof was just plain stupid. Didn't make any sense to me at all, and I almost turned it off several times, because it was just boring the crap out of me.

Dubya
November 2nd, 2008, 11:14 PM
I loved Planet Terror, but felt pretty much the same way you did about Death Proof.

PurePlayer
November 2nd, 2008, 11:54 PM
Yeah I definetly thought that Planet Terror was the better movie. Planet Terror was a pretty entertaining movie, while I thought Death Proof had one or two scenes that I thought were any good.

Along the same lines as Planet Terror, I just watched 28 Days later a couple nights ago. I have 28 Weeks Later next on my Netflix list. I thought 28 Days Later was a pretty good movie, especially good for a movie in the horror genre. Did you guys think 28 Weeks Later was better? Maybe not as good?

Jimmy Zero
November 3rd, 2008, 12:19 AM
King of the Hill is dead after 13 seasons.

Great show.

RockOverBoston
November 3rd, 2008, 1:26 AM
What's more, as thoroughly enjoyable as Family Guy can be, I'm not entirely sure that the Cleveland spinoff is going to work too well as its replacement -- like, at all.

Beer-Belly
November 3rd, 2008, 2:55 AM
American Dad is dog shit. Who the fuck is watching this garbage?

King of the Hill is top notch. At least it's going out as a quality show with 13 years under its belt.

KorruptJustice
November 3rd, 2008, 9:00 AM
I watched Grindhouse for the first time today.

Planet Terror wasn't bad. It came off kind of like a cheesy, tongue in cheek horror movie, which I think is exactly what it was supposed to be. It was fun and that's all I can say about it. I'm glad I didn't spend any money on it, as it was on Encore on Demand, so it was free for me.

However, I thought Deathproof was just plain stupid. Didn't make any sense to me at all, and I almost turned it off several times, because it was just boring the crap out of me.

Yeah, I preferred Planet Terror overall, but I still loved Deathproof once it got past the first group of girls and on to the second group.

Has anyone heard anything about whether they'll ever get released on DVD as they were shown in theaters? That's probably the only reason I don't own them on DVD yet.

Dubya
November 3rd, 2008, 10:18 AM
Yeah I definetly thought that Planet Terror was the better movie. Planet Terror was a pretty entertaining movie, while I thought Death Proof had one or two scenes that I thought were any good.

Along the same lines as Planet Terror, I just watched 28 Days later a couple nights ago. I have 28 Weeks Later next on my Netflix list. I thought 28 Days Later was a pretty good movie, especially good for a movie in the horror genre. Did you guys think 28 Weeks Later was better? Maybe not as good?

Loved 28 days later, but if don't go into 28 weeks thinking its the same, cuz they're really like polar opposites in the way that the movies are presented to you. 28 Days is really drawn-out and is all about character development.. 28 Weeks is really sped-up in how it's shown.. everything happens really fast.. I was pretty confused the first time I watched it, to be honest.. It's a decent flick, but I think the original is the superior film, as is usually the case.

Cewsh
November 3rd, 2008, 11:15 AM
American Dad is dog shit. Who the fuck is watching this garbage?

:wave:

son_of_foley
November 3rd, 2008, 11:19 AM
So I'm about 20 minutes into You Don't Mess With the Zohan and all I have to say is, 'wow'.

EDIT: And now.. a little over an hour later, that is still the only statement that comes to mind.

It was shite as was Chuck and Larry.

He's lost it.

It was a crap borat.

Xhex
November 3rd, 2008, 1:08 PM
Loved 28 days later, but if don't go into 28 weeks thinking its the same, cuz they're really like polar opposites in the way that the movies are presented to you. 28 Days is really drawn-out and is all about character development.. 28 Weeks is really sped-up in how it's shown.. everything happens really fast.. I was pretty confused the first time I watched it, to be honest.. It's a decent flick, but I think the original is the superior film, as is usually the case.

Agree to that.

28 weeks is a film thats been "hollywooded". Its just not as raw or sharp as 28 days. The first film was really edgy and gave me the creeps considering how deserted London looked! It was eerie.

28 weeks just didn't make the mark in my opinion.

mth
November 3rd, 2008, 2:38 PM
American Dad is dog shit. Who the fuck is watching this garbage?

King of the Hill is top notch. At least it's going out as a quality show with 13 years under its belt.


:wave:

:wave: Just recently started watching it this year, too. It's not as good as Family Guy, but it gets a decent amount of laughs out of me, usually.

I used to watch King of the Hill, maybe the first season or so, but I just couldn't keep watching it....it just stopped being funny or interesting whatsoever to me, and I never got back on board. Can't believe it's been on that long, though, that's pretty impressive.

Oh, I also am about to watch 28 Weeks Later, probably tonight, having watched Days a couple of weeks ago. So, thanks to DUB for the pre-viewing info.

Cactus Lem
November 3rd, 2008, 3:28 PM
Has anyone watched the US version of Life on Mars?

I loved the UK version, but the US version just isn't up to scratch. I saw Harvey Keitel was cast as Gene Hunt, and was also impressed of the casting of Michael Imperoli who I love in The Sopranos, but my god does the lead guy just make the show fall kinda flat. Terrible casting choice there it must be said.

I watched the pilot set in LA and it was just horrible. Poorly written and extremley bad casting. Was glad to see the TV execs realised this and re-cast and changed location to NYC which seems a much more suitable location for such a show. But why the fuck did they came on the guy playing Sam Tyler? John Simm must be crying at how shite the guy is.

Beer-Belly
November 3rd, 2008, 3:39 PM
Family Guy is mostly shit as well. I'll watch it if nothing else is on, but I usually end up getting annoyed pretty quickly.

King of the Hill is one of the most consistent shows on TV. The first season isn't even close to the best.

mth
November 3rd, 2008, 3:44 PM
I just fell off it, and whenever I tried to watch it, I just found it really boring and annoying. :dunno:

I have to admit, some of Family Guy's stuff does fall pretty flat or feel pretty forced, but generally, they get a good amount of laughs out of me.

Jimmy Zero
November 3rd, 2008, 6:59 PM
King of the Hill episodes range from decent to some of the funniest shit I've ever seen. The episode where Snoop Dogg starts pimping Peggy Hill is fucking classic.

I think the fact that it's been on for 13 seasons with virtually NO promotion from FOX is testament to just how good of a show it is, especially when you consider how itchy that station's trigger finger usually is for canceling awesome shows. You don't keep an audience for that long by producing crap.

Ace Rockola
November 3rd, 2008, 7:13 PM
I haven't watched King of the Hill on a regular basis for a very long time. But anytime I catch it when it's on I get a big kick out of it. Really was a great show and this news makes me wish I'd paid closer attention.

Cewsh
November 4th, 2008, 12:04 AM
I never really "got" King of the Hill. The setting, the characters, and the humor all just miss with me.

mth
November 5th, 2008, 2:20 PM
Alright, I watched 28 Weeks Later last night, and personally, I liked it more than 28 Days Later. Maybe I just like action and stuff more, I dunno, but I felt more on the edge of my seat and involved in this one. It was a lot scarier to me, too, with more parts that made me creeped out or made me jump. I still like the first and think it was good, but this one was just more entertaining for me, and I realize that I may be one of the few that takes this stance.

Cactus Lem
November 5th, 2008, 2:31 PM
Alright, I watched 28 Weeks Later last night, and personally, I liked it more than 28 Days Later. Maybe I just like action and stuff more, I dunno, but I felt more on the edge of my seat and involved in this one. It was a lot scarier to me, too, with more parts that made me creeped out or made me jump. I still like the first and think it was good, but this one was just more entertaining for me, and I realize that I may be one of the few that takes this stance.

I thought 28 Weeks was dissapointing. It started off really nicely, with an awesome view of post-Apocalyptic London, and I was enjoying all of the interaction between the family, but then it just became far to predictable, and basically turned into a horror romp, moving away from its earlier creativity and excitment.

I'm not someone who rates a movie on scare factor or how many times I jump (I've never really understood people who do to be honest), as I think those effects are very easy to make at times.

mth
November 5th, 2008, 2:36 PM
I'll admit, the plot was kind of predictable after you got about halfway through the movie.
So, you don't rate a scary movie by how much it scares you? I think those things are not as easy to do as you think, as I've watched plenty of scary movies that don't scare me in the slightest (see my Wrong Turn review a few days ago, for example), so if a horror movie actually gets some frightened/tense emotions out of me, I'd say it was successful, at least in that department. The first one didn't really get any of those emotions out of me, it made me think, and was maybe more psychological, which was still good, but I never jumped or felt frightened by anything in it, and as a horror movie viewer, I want to feel that when I watch a horror movie.

N.E.R.F.
November 5th, 2008, 2:37 PM
It had a bit more continuity than the first one though; the army mansion divided a lot of opinions and even though I personally love them both, it's easy to see why people might like the second one more for that reason.

Cactus Lem
November 5th, 2008, 2:45 PM
I'll admit, the plot was kind of predictable after you got about halfway through the movie.
So, you don't rate a scary movie by how much it scares you? I think those things are not as easy to do as you think, as I've watched plenty of scary movies that don't scare me in the slightest (see my Wrong Turn review a few days ago, for example), so if a horror movie actually gets some frightened/tense emotions out of me, I'd say it was successful, at least in that department. The first one didn't really get any of those emotions out of me, it made me think, and was maybe more psychological, which was still good, but I never jumped or felt frightened by anything in it, and as a horror movie viewer, I want to feel that when I watch a horror movie.

Honestly, I don't think a film has ever truly scared me.

I'm not trying to sound like some arrogant 9 year old boasting in the playground, but I just don't think I've ever truly been scared by anything I've seen in a film.

I've been disturbed by certain characters or situations in films before, but never genuinley scared by the actions that take place. Take The Shinning for example, Jack Torrance disturbed and intrigued me, but I can't say I was scared of him.

I don't know if I watch films differently to others or something, but when I hear people saying, "nah that was shit, didn't scare me enough" I never get it.

Hero!
November 5th, 2008, 3:20 PM
King of the Hill is dead after 13 seasons.

Great show.

Three days later and I just see this. Such a great show, I'm sad to see it go.

Guy
November 5th, 2008, 3:34 PM
Alright, I watched 28 Weeks Later last night, and personally, I liked it more than 28 Days Later. Maybe I just like action and stuff more, I dunno, but I felt more on the edge of my seat and involved in this one. It was a lot scarier to me, too, with more parts that made me creeped out or made me jump. I still like the first and think it was good, but this one was just more entertaining for me, and I realize that I may be one of the few that takes this stance.

:yes:

Aye I'll stand with ya.

Whilst I like Cillian Murphy and such, and did enjoy and own the first one, I believe the second one took full advantage of it's premise a bit better. Also the opening is fucking brilliant in my opinion. And yes the story is a little less developed BUT it is more consistant. That army bit at the end of the first really pissed on it a bit for me. I still enjoyed it, but I was suddenly meant to believe that cillian has become Rambo, and that a fully trained army unit can't go 28 Days without sex without becoming rapists. That and I don't like Christopher Eccleson, but that's beyond the point

Also, watch Dead Set. Torrent it, I'll teach you how in one small post, you'll love it.

Vice
November 5th, 2008, 6:55 PM
At first I was ridiculously disappointed in 28 Weeks Later, but every time I watch it I enjoy it a lot more. I notice little things here and there that add a lot to it. I'm still not too keen on the dad fucking stalking the kids, which reeks of American sequel, but there's a lot of good in the movie. I love the whole night vision scene in the stadium and the opening sequence which is fucking amazing. And the sniping scene when the soldiers get the code red.

I'd say that my love for Days and Weeks is practically neck and neck at this point.

Jimmy Zero
November 5th, 2008, 7:06 PM
:yes:

Aye I'll stand with ya.

Whilst I like Cillian Murphy and such, and did enjoy and own the first one, I believe the second one took full advantage of it's premise a bit better. Also the opening is fucking brilliant in my opinion. And yes the story is a little less developed BUT it is more consistant. That army bit at the end of the first really pissed on it a bit for me. I still enjoyed it, but I was suddenly meant to believe that cillian has become Rambo, and that a fully trained army unit can't go 28 Days without sex without becoming rapists. That and I don't like Christopher Eccleson, but that's beyond the point

Also, watch Dead Set. Torrent it, I'll teach you how in one small post, you'll love it.

Agreed completely about 28 Days. I was really in to that movie and then they got to the army guys. It took me completely out of the little story they'd set up and the new story was ridiculous and stupid. The people you'd figure would be the most informed about the zombification going on act in the most retarded and ignorant manner.

28 Weeks was just lame, save the soundtrack and that opening scene.

Guy
November 6th, 2008, 6:20 AM
At first I was ridiculously disappointed in 28 Weeks Later, but every time I watch it I enjoy it a lot more. I notice little things here and there that add a lot to it. I'm still not too keen on the dad fucking stalking the kids, which reeks of American sequel, but there's a lot of good in the movie. I love the whole night vision scene in the stadium and the opening sequence which is fucking amazing. And the sniping scene when the soldiers get the code red.

I'd say that my love for Days and Weeks is practically neck and neck at this point.

I was annoyed at the stalking at first, til I remembered that they're not zombies that they're dealing with, they're extremely fucked off human beings.

And if my kids disrespected an armies order, brought my half dead wife back, who would then turn me into a raving psychotic, which in turn would make me gouge her eyes out. I'd be pretty fucked off with them as well.

Vice
November 6th, 2008, 6:52 AM
The movies depict the infected going from target to target-- whoever is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Like zombies, they're just motorized instinct.. so I don't buy into the dad being the "smart" one that stalks pray instead of just running after whoever he can get his hands on. All the other infected charge soldiers with machine guns and don't jump out of the way when a helicopter is mowing them down. The dad calmly waits as he miraculously survives the main city being fire bombed, then somehow manages to get through the gassed streets (which killed other infected, mind you) and the soldiers with flamethrowers, then happily waits at the stadium (why would he predict them going there?) for his kids to show up who got there via CAR?

Pushing it. Really, really pushing it.

Slare
November 6th, 2008, 8:31 AM
Yeah that was the main downfall of an otherwise brilliant movie for me.

If you liked 28 days/weeks I really would recommend you give Dead Set a watch (I know you have Vice.)

It was a 5 part series over here, but it was really meant as a Movie. Same Idea as the 28 series, but set in and around the Big Brother house. It was quality.

Vice
November 6th, 2008, 9:02 AM
Yeah, I'll second Dead Set. For TV, it's quality.

My only main problem with it (like a lot of running zombie movies) is that the main defense against those fuckers is "AAAAAHHHHH!!!! *runs away and closes door behind them, just barely escaping* PHEW!". If they don't have a gun, they don't really stand a chance. That's why I love the slow zombies. You could potentially take one on, maybe even a few, with decent odds. So it varies up the action a bit, with some characters being smarter than others. Still, running zombies are scary fucks.

I wish a movie would combine the two. When they first come back, have them be fast and agile. Over time as rigor mortis kicks in (around a day and a half, I think), they should get slower and slower until they become the typical plodding zombies. I think it could make for an interesting movie with a lot of new strategies for dealing with the bastards. It could be fresh.

Alf
November 6th, 2008, 9:07 AM
They hinted on that a bit with 28 days later with the 'zombies' starving to death but never really showed it.

Alf
November 6th, 2008, 9:10 AM
Lads, you missed the point with the army folks in 28 Days a bit.

Why would they know more than anyone else? They are trained, yes, but rememer these are army lads way down the pecking order.

...and it wasn't a case of 'Well, surely they could go without sex for 28 days'... these are a group of young men who think the world has ended. A world without rules or consequence.

Vice
November 6th, 2008, 9:34 AM
They hinted on that a bit with 28 days later with the 'zombies' starving to death but never really showed it.


Yeah, but.. being hungry is quite different than having your muscles lock up. :p

I definitely liked how they showed the starving infected though, considering they're alive with working organs. Zombies seem to stick around forever, which I guess makes sense.

...and it wasn't a case of 'Well, surely they could go without sex for 28 days'... these are a group of young men who think the world has ended. A world without rules or consequence.


Exactly. :yes:

Guy
November 6th, 2008, 9:34 AM
I wish a movie would combine the two. When they first come back, have them be fast and agile. Over time as rigor mortis kicks in (around a day and a half, I think), they should get slower and slower until they become the typical plodding zombies. I think it could make for an interesting movie with a lot of new strategies for dealing with the bastards. It could be fresh.

Currently working on a short film that just does this.

It think it's the next logical step really

Vice
November 6th, 2008, 9:36 AM
Currently working on a short film that just does this.

It think it's the next logical step really


Awesome, man. If you ever put it online, like I think you did with another short film of yours, I'd love to see it.

Guy
November 6th, 2008, 10:13 AM
Awesome, man. If you ever put it online, like I think you did with another short film of yours, I'd love to see it.

Yea cool pal.

It's basically a re-make of a trailer I did when I was like 15 years old for GCSE. Which oddly enough is probably the one you're referring to.

I'd been 5 years, I've done got a degree in filmmaking, I've worked on a couple of feature films and no end of shorts and music videos. I was curious what it would be like if I got the same people together who helped make that naff little zombie trailer and re-imagened it into a short film.

ps. here's a short documentary I made from a few years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyuwre2ISg

Vice
November 6th, 2008, 10:25 AM
Very well done. :yes:

Loved the nod to Dawn of the Dead with the credits music.

Guy
November 6th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Appreciated, thanks very much.

I couldn't avoid sticking the gonk on the end, it seems like every zombie something-or-other needs a refrence in it somewhere

Beer-Belly
November 6th, 2008, 2:39 PM
Everyone should start watching Superjail on Adult Swim. The ratings are shit and the show is the best late night cartoon in awhile. It's ultra-violent, trippy, and hilarious. Give the free episode on adultswim.com a try, at least.

Jimmy Zero
November 6th, 2008, 7:30 PM
Is it at least on par with Venture Bro.? If not, I won't even give it a chance.

Ochoa
November 8th, 2008, 12:46 PM
So I'm about 20 minutes into You Don't Mess With the Zohan and all I have to say is, 'wow'.

EDIT: And now.. a little over an hour later, that is still the only statement that comes to mind.

I'm guessing that's not a good wow? Kind of like me when I watched The Love Guru?

N.E.R.F.
November 8th, 2008, 5:25 PM
Tonight's viewing:

The Kingdom - not seen, bargain bin purchase. Any good?

or

One of the Die Hard's - thinking 4.0 as I've only seen it a couple of times and I know the others pretty much word for word by now

or

Goodfellas - just cos.


Help me decide pls.

N.E.R.F.
November 8th, 2008, 5:28 PM
Scratch that, Silent Hill's on C4. yesss

Guy
November 8th, 2008, 5:29 PM
Tonight's viewing:

The Kingdom - not seen, bargain bin purchase. Any good?

or

One of the Die Hard's - thinking 4.0 as I've only seen it a couple of times and I know the others pretty much word for word by now

or

Goodfellas - just cos.


Help me decide pls.

4.0 is so much better in the uncut version. Though he does still take down a plane with his barehands

PurePlayer
November 8th, 2008, 6:45 PM
Why would you watch 4.0 more than a couple times? I would think that's enough, no? I would say the Kingdom, because you haven't seen it before, and it's a pretty good movie. However, you can never go wrong with Goodfellas.

Anyway, I have been watching The Office on Netflix online. I never really had a chance to watch it before a couple weeks ago, and I am just addicted right now. I started season one on Thursday and I am already on season three.

blackening
November 8th, 2008, 11:18 PM
I watched Role Models last night. Funny movie, not on the level of Pineapple/Knocked Up/Superbad though. But a good movie.

RockOverBoston
November 9th, 2008, 2:13 AM
Good or bad (and between my friends that have seen it and the reviews I've read, it's more good than bad), I truly think that Role Models has been absolutely brilliantly advertised.

TV ads prominently feature Paul Rudd, Jane Lynch and Elizabeth Banks (who may very well be in every movie currently in theatres by now), so one immediatly makes the "40 Year Old Virgin" connection.

Seann William Scott? Yeah, he seems like he'd fit right in with that crew...

And then, the icing on the cake...fuckin' McLovin? "Oh yeah," says about 95% of the people watching the commercial "this is definitly the new Apatow flick!"

Except, you know, it's not.

It's a sort of bait-and-switch, really. I'll admit that that thought crossed my mind, except none of the early ads had the obvious selling point "From the people who brought you 'Knocked Up' and 'Superbad'" taglines that will accompany every Apatow flick from now until the end of time.

Truly brilliant marketing, though. It's definitly fooled an awful lot of people.

TapOut
November 9th, 2008, 4:08 AM
I don't know if anyone mentioned Michael Crichton's death, but he was a pretty damn good author and I really enjoyed "Prey". RIP.

blackening
November 9th, 2008, 6:20 AM
Good or bad (and between my friends that have seen it and the reviews I've read, it's more good than bad), I truly think that Role Models has been absolutely brilliantly advertised.

TV ads prominently feature Paul Rudd, Jane Lynch and Elizabeth Banks (who may very well be in every movie currently in theatres by now), so one immediatly makes the "40 Year Old Virgin" connection.

Seann William Scott? Yeah, he seems like he'd fit right in with that crew...

And then, the icing on the cake...fuckin' McLovin? "Oh yeah," says about 95% of the people watching the commercial "this is definitly the new Apatow flick!"

Except, you know, it's not.

It's a sort of bait-and-switch, really. I'll admit that that thought crossed my mind, except none of the early ads had the obvious selling point "From the people who brought you 'Knocked Up' and 'Superbad'" taglines that will accompany every Apatow flick from now until the end of time.

Truly brilliant marketing, though. It's definitly fooled an awful lot of people.
I would definitely agree with that. I'm sure plenty of people thought it was Apatow movie.


On the topic of Judd Apatow movies, I really liked Forgetting Sarah Marshall. The puppet part at the end was awesome, though I could have gone without seeing Jason Segel's penis multiple times.

Pablo Diablo
November 9th, 2008, 12:27 PM
I don't know if anyone mentioned Michael Crichton's death, but he was a pretty damn good author and I really enjoyed "Prey". RIP.

Interesting that you'd say that because I love Crichton, but Prey was my least favourite of his last 3 books. I don't know why, but while reading it I couldn't immerse myself into the story like I could with State of Fear or Next. But even with that caveat Prey still was an ok book.

His last book should be interesting next year.

Jimmy Zero
November 9th, 2008, 12:34 PM
Good or bad (and between my friends that have seen it and the reviews I've read, it's more good than bad), I truly think that Role Models has been absolutely brilliantly advertised.

TV ads prominently feature Paul Rudd, Jane Lynch and Elizabeth Banks (who may very well be in every movie currently in theatres by now), so one immediatly makes the "40 Year Old Virgin" connection.

Seann William Scott? Yeah, he seems like he'd fit right in with that crew...

And then, the icing on the cake...fuckin' McLovin? "Oh yeah," says about 95% of the people watching the commercial "this is definitly the new Apatow flick!"

Except, you know, it's not.

It's a sort of bait-and-switch, really. I'll admit that that thought crossed my mind, except none of the early ads had the obvious selling point "From the people who brought you 'Knocked Up' and 'Superbad'" taglines that will accompany every Apatow flick from now until the end of time.

Truly brilliant marketing, though. It's definitly fooled an awful lot of people.

Yeah, and you can say the same thing about Zack and Miri. Even freaking Darryl from the Office is in that one.

I was pretty surprised to hear that it's a Kevin Smith movie. Of course, I then realized that the Apatow movies are basically just more polished Kevin Smith movies and it all made sense.

Thirteen
November 9th, 2008, 12:39 PM
I'm honestly surprised they aren't playing up Zack and Miri as a Kevin Smith movie more. In the previews for it, it's not really mentioned, and I actually didn't know it was a Kevin Smith movie until I read a review of it.

I wasn't really interested in the movie previously, however, being a Kevin Smith fan, I became interested in it after that.

Jimmy Zero
November 9th, 2008, 12:42 PM
Maybe it's the Jersey Girl/Gigli effect left over? I know, personally, I was shocked at how bad Jersey Girl was.

That's probably not it, though, because Kevin Smith pretty much has a built in audience at this point. Clerks was like a freaking religious experience for my friends and I when it first came out, and most of them swear undying allegiance to the man because of that movie. I love the guy, but his last few movies have been garbage.

Cactus Lem
November 9th, 2008, 3:55 PM
I would say the Kingdom, because you haven't seen it before, and it's a pretty good movie.


The Kingdom was complete shit. I like Peter Berg quite a bit as a director, but my god did this suck. He tried using all of his trusty character techniques that worked so well in Friday Night Lights to get us into the characters here, and they completley failed, not working one little bit. For starters other than Fox the rest of the charactwrs weren't introduced well at all, and his pretty montages with Explosions in the Sky just didn't great the desired emotion he was after, which basically meant one of the main themes and motives of the film totally failed.


Maybe it's the Jersey Girl/Gigli effect left over? I know, personally, I was shocked at how bad Jersey Girl was.

That's probably not it, though, because Kevin Smith pretty much has a built in audience at this point. Clerks was like a freaking religious experience for my friends and I when it first came out, and most of them swear undying allegiance to the man because of that movie. I love the guy, but his last few movies have been garbage.

Hardly. Clerks 2 was awesome, I'd put it on par with the original in terms of laughs and what it aimed to achieve. Jay and Silet Bob was also a damn funny film, and worked perfectly within the whole Smith universe again, just taking things a little further with the parodies and cameos.

I actually liked Jersey Girl as well. It's bound to be criticized since it occured during the whole Bennifer crap, but JLo hardly features, and what we get is a sweet story of family, parenthood and relationships. I actually relly due Afflecks bond with his daughter, and I ussually can't stand the man.

It's certainly not what you expect from a Kevin Smith film, but he at least proves he can make a solid film outside of his usual surroundings and style.

Ringo
November 9th, 2008, 4:15 PM
Clerks 2 was amazing.

Jimmy Zero
November 9th, 2008, 4:24 PM
Jersey Girl sucked, I don't know what you're talking about, but then again you'd put Clerks 2 on par with the original, which is generally indicative of a brain injury. Jay and Silent Bob was fucking boring. It wasn't funny, at all. It's two bit characters doing dumb shit for 2 hours. Who cares about working within the Smith universe?

Jersey Girl was a sweet story? It was Capra-esque sentimental tripe with a halfway decent soundtrack. The acting was TERRIBLE. He's yet to come even close to Clerks, as far as making a great movie. In my opinion, of course.

Thirteen
November 9th, 2008, 5:06 PM
I must be the only Kevin Smith fan that is not a fan of either Clerks or Mallrats. I really enjoyed Chasing Amy, while Dogma is one of my favorite movies. Jay and Silent Bob was fun to watch, and I thoroughly enjoyed Clerks 2. I also didn't have a problem with Jersey Girl. While I would not consider it to be a great movie, it was enjoyable to watch.

I think the problem Jersey Girl gets is that it's a Kevin Smith movie, and the fanbase that Smith had prior to that movie. It was not a Kevin Smith movie. However, if the same movie was done by a different director, I don't think it would be bashed as much as it was. I also feel as if they advertised the movie wrong. They advertised it as a romantic comedy, and it really wasn't. It was a movie about a father and his daughter, and to me, they did a good job telling that story. Plus, you can't go wrong with George Carlin in anything.

Ace Rockola
November 9th, 2008, 5:17 PM
Jersey Girl was damn enjoyable for what it was. A sappy PG-13 date movie. I'd watch that movie a million times before I'd watch whatever crappy Kate Hudson movie is out at the moment.

And Clerks 2 is great for what it is as well. It's not as good as Clerks. But it's a natural progression of the story. This is exactly where you expected these two losers to be 10 years after that day we watched unfold.

Cactus Lem
November 9th, 2008, 7:11 PM
Jersey Girl sucked, I don't know what you're talking about, but then again you'd put Clerks 2 on par with the original, which is generally indicative of a brain injury. Jay and Silent Bob was fucking boring. It wasn't funny, at all. It's two bit characters doing dumb shit for 2 hours. Who cares about working within the Smith universe?

Ace Rockola sums Jersey Girl up perfectly. It was fine for what it was.

But come on brain surgery? Calm down mate, Clerks 2 is as hilarious as the original in many ways, and a great completion of two awesome characters.

How was Jay and Silent Bob boring? The stuff they actually did wasn't all that random at all. Think about it, Jay and Silent Bob is essentially a road movie, except the 'road movie' element isn't put in writing so people don't think about it that way. Think about what happens in road movies, the people on the road meet lots of weird and interesting people on the road and ussually get involved in complicated situations that they aren't acustomed too, while bonding during the process. Add Kevin Smith and you get an extreme road movie of sorts. How did you not find the parodies and inside jokes funny? Are you lacking a sense of humour?



Jersey Girl was a sweet story? It was Capra-esque sentimental tripe with a halfway decent soundtrack. The acting was TERRIBLE. He's yet to come even close to Clerks, as far as making a great movie. In my opinion, of course.

The material works? That's like all of the poor criticisms of Crash that I see, "oh its manipulative crap." It's as if people are looking for reasons to bash the movie, and I've found that with Jersey Girl.

I've seen far worse acting. It wasn't particularly great no, but it didn't distract from the film and didn't at any time draw me out of the film.

Also, do you think I'm ranking Jersey Girl alongside Clerks, because the last paragrpah makes me think so? If so, I'm really not, I think there is a huge gulf between the two films.


I I also didn't have a problem with Jersey Girl. While I would not consider it to be a great movie, it was enjoyable to watch.

I think the problem Jersey Girl gets is that it's a Kevin Smith movie, and the fanbase that Smith had prior to that movie. It was not a Kevin Smith movie. However, if the same movie was done by a different director, I don't think it would be bashed as much as it was. I also feel as if they advertised the movie wrong. They advertised it as a romantic comedy, and it really wasn't. It was a movie about a father and his daughter, and to me, they did a good job telling that story. Plus, you can't go wrong with George Carlin in anything.

Exactly.

Adamy
November 9th, 2008, 7:15 PM
I liked Chasing Amy, although the "twist" ending was stupid and predictable. I thought Dogma was pretty solid, although it was a little underwhelming considering he had been promising it since the end credits of Clerks.

The thing with Clerks is that it had a mopey, naive sweetness to balance out the hilarity, while all of his other movies have been either too much of a comedy or too sappy. Dante and Randall were just perfect foils for each other, too.

N.E.R.F.
November 9th, 2008, 7:21 PM
I always get a lot of stick for saying this, but to watch, Jersey Girl is one of my favourite movies. A couple of bits still get me choked up, and if it's not because of the acting (which is great on all accounts except maybe Liv Tyler) I don't know what it is.

I did like Clerks II but it wasn't a patch on the first one, and I'd rank it the least good (not worst as they're all good) of that series of Kevin Smith films.

RockOverBoston
November 9th, 2008, 7:51 PM
I liked Chasing Amy, although the "twist" ending was stupid and predictable. I thought Dogma was pretty solid, although it was a little underwhelming considering he had been promising it since the end credits of Clerks.

Wasn't it the end credits of "Dogma" where he started hyping "Clerks 2"?

Thirteen
November 9th, 2008, 8:14 PM
If I remember correctly, Smith was done with Dogma before Mallrats, but wasn't happy with what he had written, and couldn't get the budget to do it justice, so he put it to the side, and went on to Mallrats.

And I thought Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back was advertised at the end of Dogma?

PurePlayer
November 9th, 2008, 8:15 PM
Originally Posted by Cactus Lem
The Kingdom was complete shit. I like Peter Berg quite a bit as a director, but my god did this suck. He tried using all of his trusty character techniques that worked so well in Friday Night Lights to get us into the characters here, and they completley failed, not working one little bit. For starters other than Fox the rest of the charactwrs weren't introduced well at all, and his pretty montages with Explosions in the Sky just didn't great the desired emotion he was after, which basically meant one of the main themes and motives of the film totally failed.

I think that's a bit harsh. I can't get too technical because I am not well educated in film terms, but this movie was pretty entertaining. Of course there were a couple faults, but not complete shit.

RockOverBoston
November 9th, 2008, 8:38 PM
Jennifer Garner, as she so often is, is one of the many major problems with "The Kingdom".

Also, I'm probably going to go watch early Smith end credits now, because one of them very definitly mentions that "Clerks 2" is coming soon close to a decade before it actually came to be, and I'm pretty sure it was "Dogma", but now it's bugging me.

Zen
November 9th, 2008, 9:13 PM
Just got finsished reading "The Road". Good book, a little on the depressing side, but should be interesting to see how it's presented on film.

Also, Bless Michael Crighton. Loved a few of his books. Jurassic Park was incredible, and his "Lost World" book was better than the movie. JP was fucking fantastic on both accounts, however.

Jimmy Zero
November 9th, 2008, 9:29 PM
Lem: We'll have to just agree to disagree on Smith. When I first saw Clerks back in the day, I saw the potential for far greater things from Smith than what he's given us so far. That's not to say I don't like anything he's done since Clerks. Mallrats is good dumb fun, and Dogma is great. I just feel like he got the potential to make better movies than what he does.

It's almost like he makes movies to placate his fans so they don't get pissed at him again, and that's too bad. Even though I hated Jersey Girl (seriously couldn't watch more than 20 minutes), it was at least an attempt at doing something different. Chasing Amy scratched the surface of what he can do. The guy writes great characters and fantastic dialog.

Beer-Belly
November 10th, 2008, 1:01 AM
Is it at least on par with Venture Bro.? If not, I won't even give it a chance.

It's not even close to the same thing. I can't recall enjoying the new season of Venture very much.


Also, Role Models was great. It actually makes KISS less dog shit-like.

Marlon Dingle
November 10th, 2008, 8:07 AM
Watched 2 films at the weekend.

The Incredible Hulk, thought it was good for a Hulk movie although I still think after watching it Edward Norton was still a poor choice as Bruce (even though I love him in many of his films and think he is a brilliant actor). Liv Tyler also, poor choice. However Tim Roth was fucking brilliant as Blonsky. I was rooting for him.
Loved at the end of the film with the nod to the forthcoming Avengers film and also the possibility of a sequel with The Leader as the bad guy.
Was much of an improvement on the last film and reminded me a bit of the TV series. Just wasn't too blown away with the storyline better that Spiderman 3, not as good as Iron Man. :yes::yes::yes:


Also watched There Will Be Blood on Friday. Was expecting some major epic storyline but it was very uneventful. The movie was enjoyable and certainly had its moments. Loved the ending and also Day-Lewis' performance as Plainview (he deserved the Oscar). Reminded me quite a bit of a Kubrick film. Did drag on at parts but not long enough for me to lose interest. Not much else to say. :yes::yes::yes::yes:

KorruptJustice
November 10th, 2008, 9:31 AM
Hardly. Clerks 2 was awesome, I'd put it on par with the original in terms of laughs and what it aimed to achieve. Jay and Silet Bob was also a damn funny film, and worked perfectly within the whole Smith universe again, just taking things a little further with the parodies and cameos.


And Clerks 2 is great for what it is as well. It's not as good as Clerks. But it's a natural progression of the story. This is exactly where you expected these two losers to be 10 years after that day we watched unfold.

Ace says pretty much exactly what I would say about Clerks 2, although I would go so far as to say that the progression of the characters in the sequel is enough that I'll honestly go back and forth on which movie I prefer. Both of them are great movies that I never get tired of watching, though.


Jersey Girl sucked, I don't know what you're talking about, but then again you'd put Clerks 2 on par with the original, which is generally indicative of a brain injury. Jay and Silent Bob was fucking boring. It wasn't funny, at all. It's two bit characters doing dumb shit for 2 hours. Who cares about working within the Smith universe?

I care about the ViewAskewniverse. To me, that's what made J&SBSB worth watching - all the little in-jokes and nods that Kevin Smith did for his fans. If anything, I wish there had been even more.


Wasn't it the end credits of "Dogma" where he started hyping "Clerks 2"?

Yeah, in the credits for Dogma it said, "Jay and Silent Bob will return in Clerks 2: Hardly Clerkin'." That's all from memory, so I may be a little wrong in the wording, but it was definitely something similar to that.


It's almost like he makes movies to placate his fans so they don't get pissed at him again, and that's too bad. Even though I hated Jersey Girl (seriously couldn't watch more than 20 minutes), it was at least an attempt at doing something different. Chasing Amy scratched the surface of what he can do. The guy writes great characters and fantastic dialog.

I'm really not sure where you get that idea from. I think the fact that Kevin Smith went and made Clerks 2 shows that he doesn't mind upsetting his fans. I mean, when he first announced that as his next movie, I'm pretty sure 95% of his fans online were saying that he was making a huge mistake (and I was one of them, I'll admit). So, I'm pretty sure Kevin Smith doesn't go out of his way to placate his fans if he has an idea that they disagree with.

Just out of curiosity, who else here listens to Kevin Smith commentary tracks? If you're a fan of his movies, you definitely should, because they're usually just as funny as the actual film itself. I'm a sucker for commentary tracks in general, but his are some of the few that I'll actually listen to more than once.

Guy
November 10th, 2008, 10:09 AM
If you enjoy the commentary tracks, you should definatly track down An Evening with Kevin Smith 1 & 2, couldn't tell you about 3 hoever as I don't own it yet

KorruptJustice
November 10th, 2008, 2:19 PM
If you enjoy the commentary tracks, you should definatly track down An Evening with Kevin Smith 1 & 2, couldn't tell you about 3 hoever as I don't own it yet

Already own 1 & 2, although I wasn't that big a fan of #2 (still some enjoyable stories, though). I didn't realize that there was a number 3 out. I'll definitely have to look into getting that.

EDIT: Also, any fans of his should read My Boring Ass Life by him. It's an okay read, with a lot of stories, but the part that really shines is when he talks about Jason Mewes battle with heroin addiction.

Guy
November 10th, 2008, 2:26 PM
Already own 1 & 2, although I wasn't that big a fan of #2 (still some enjoyable stories, though). I didn't realize that there was a number 3 out. I'll definitely have to look into getting that.

EDIT: Also, any fans of his should read My Boring Ass Life by him. It's an okay read, with a lot of stories, but the part that really shines is when he talks about Jason Mewes battle with heroin addiction.

yea I read the story when he originally posted it back on his blog.

The third one's called Sold Out: A Threevening with Kevin Smith

:yes:

I wasn't as big a fan of the second as I was the first, but then not much had happened for him movie wise but Jersey Girl really. and he didn't discuss Jason's sobriety which was probably the biggest change in that year.

This one though has at least 2 films made and another couple in development to talk about.

Thirteen
November 10th, 2008, 8:13 PM
I watched a movie this weekend. Probably not something many people have seen.

Midnight Meat Train

I saw previews for it over the summer, and was expecting a theatre release, but it went straight to Fearnet.com and DVD.

It wasn't that bad. I thought it was going to be a straight-up serial killer movie, but they threw in a twist. The movie is based on a short story by Clive Barker, and he came across as genuilly happy with the movie.

It stars Bradley Cooper, Leslie Bibb, Vinnie Jones, and even Brooke Shields in a small role. Cooper plays a photographer looking for the dark underbelly of the city, when he stumbles upon a potential murder, Jones, on the subway. He becomes obsessed with Jones and basically begins to stalk him, trying to learn the dark truth.

Like I said, it wasn't a bad movie. To me, it was a step-up from your run of the mill straight-to-DVD horror movie, but not an instant classic. There were no parts that made me jump or even want to jump, but it definitely can work on you from a psychological standpoint. I wasn't the hugest fan of the ending, but the rest of the movie was worth the watch, and it didn't distract from the rest of the movie, so that was good.

All in all, if you're into horror movies, I would recommend giving this a watch.

Jimmy Zero
November 10th, 2008, 8:20 PM
I saw some ads for that too.

Looks promising, aside from having a title more fitting for a porno movie.

Cactus Lem
November 11th, 2008, 7:22 AM
Just out of curiosity, who else here listens to Kevin Smith commentary tracks? If you're a fan of his movies, you definitely should, because they're usually just as funny as the actual film itself. I'm a sucker for commentary tracks in general, but his are some of the few that I'll actually listen to more than once.

Yeah I do, they're always great. I don't ussually watch them in one go, but I'll watch say a half hour before going to bed over the course of a few nights, and they're always good fun.

The_Mike
November 12th, 2008, 7:28 PM
Is anyone else in the UK unable to access the clips on the Colbert Report website? I know we can't see full shows and haven't been able to for a while but now I'm getting the same message when I try to view short segments. The Daily Show's site seems fine though.

Organasm
November 12th, 2008, 7:44 PM
Just got finsished reading "The Road". Good book, a little on the depressing side, but should be interesting to see how it's presented on film.

I felt the exact opposite. Just because the environment is bleak doesn't mean 1/3 of the book has to be dedicated to descriptions of tinned foods and how the characters ate from said tins. The dialogue is extremely dull and repetitive, to the point where that seems to be the idea, but that isn't the stuff interesting reads are made from.

I'm not saying McCarthy's a shit writer, he made some pretty lame shit with the why he explains them, there were even some parts where I was 'Fuck me something's gonna go down here, finally!!' before the dad and his kid realise everything's alright or they run away, but quite frankly if it wasn't by the guy who wrote BLOOD MERIDIAN I wouldn't have bothered to finish it.

I left it in the student bar after I was done with it as no one should have to pay to read such a turd, though it was probably torn up and used to play noughts and crosses on, a greater use.

PurePlayer
November 12th, 2008, 9:04 PM
I just saw the Elephant Man. I have to say it is one of the saddest movies I have ever seen. I definitely recommend it to anyone who has not seen it. It was such a touching picture.

Ambition For Ammunition
November 12th, 2008, 9:19 PM
I really couldnt get into it. I think it was the editing and the way it was cut, but I just didn't feel it at all.
I watched about an hour of it, and it just bored me. I felt like a cunt because I knew that it was a fantastic film, but I just didnt enjoy it.

Hobbit
November 12th, 2008, 9:43 PM
I saw Donkey Punch earlier on.

Pile of shit. Save for some tits earlier on it felt like it went on for about 8 hours and only about 4 things actually happed after the donkey punch, most of which was random murdering. None of the actors could act. Rubbish.

Edicus2288i
November 13th, 2008, 9:29 PM
Saw Role Models in the Theater yesterday.

Highly impressed. It was pretty hysterical. Paul Rudd is a pretty funny dude.

I would highly recommend it if you're looking for a nice little comedy that will make you laugh for a hour and half.

blackening
November 13th, 2008, 11:37 PM
:yes:

I'm glad to see others have enjoyed it as well.

I thought the role playing battle was pretty cool.

Marlon Dingle
November 14th, 2008, 5:48 AM
Watched 3:10 to Yuma last night. Good film. Typical modern western. Story is quite simple. Was expecting a twist or something at the end though, but it never came. Bale and Crowe are legends in acting and this movie proves it. I would say one of Crowe's best films. Maybe a bit too long though and the final shoot out at the end is a bit unrealistic. Stil solid film. Watch it if you haven't already. :yes::yes::yes:

Ace Rockola
November 14th, 2008, 7:32 PM
Saw Role Models in the Theater yesterday.

Highly impressed. It was pretty hysterical. Paul Rudd is a pretty funny dude.

I would highly recommend it if you're looking for a nice little comedy that will make you laugh for a hour and half.

"Children just like you, are sold in to sex trafficing."

That camp fire scene alone was worth the $10.

Beer-Belly
November 16th, 2008, 8:03 AM
Holy fuck, this Twilight shit is the absolute worst.

Thirteen
November 16th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Yeah, tell me about it.

My wife is going with her two sisters and mother to the midnight showing of the opening this weekend.

I'm normally a sucker for a good vampire story, but my attempt to read the book met with a closing of it for good after about 50 pages, because it wasn't good.

The trailers don't look good either, but to my wife and sister-in-laws, they stop everything every time it comes on.

I can't really complain too much though, because I do the same anytime I see something about Watchmen, and get the same eye-rolling from my wife that I give her with Twilight.

I steal cable
November 16th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Just watched Lake Placid 2

:lol::lol::lol:

My god it's the biggest pile of shite ever to grace my TV screen. I think the best part of the film was the fact they couldn't rent out a plane or afford one so just used CGI :lol: No, wait, I lie. The best part was when it just randomly cut to 2 fit women and a bloke. The women just stripped then got eaten along with the guy, then it went back to main story.

shame really, I love Lake Placid, it's prolly in my top 15 movies ever.

Thirteen
November 16th, 2008, 12:23 PM
Lake Placid was a great movie, and definitely underappreciated. I think the best part was it didn't take itself too seriously, but still told a good "monster" storyline. Plus, Betty White is so sassy!


I will agree with you, the sequel sucks. Not even in the "this is so bad, it's funny" sense either. In the "is this movie over yet, cause every moment I watch it, I die a little inside" way.

I steal cable
November 18th, 2008, 8:26 AM
Just watched Mamma Mia.

Well I say watched, I did fast forward through all the songs. I found the film much more enjoyable that way.

Ace Rockola
November 18th, 2008, 2:03 PM
Holy fuck, this Twilight shit is the absolute worst.

Like Thirteen my better half wants to see this. Luckily with a girlfriend. What I don't understand about it (besides anyone's desire to suffer through it), is why are they out in the sunlight the whole fucking time? Are they supposed to be like Blade or something?

mth
November 18th, 2008, 2:52 PM
Just watched Lake Placid 2

:lol::lol::lol:

My god it's the biggest pile of shite ever to grace my TV screen. I think the best part of the film was the fact they couldn't rent out a plane or afford one so just used CGI :lol: No, wait, I lie. The best part was when it just randomly cut to 2 fit women and a bloke. The women just stripped then got eaten along with the guy, then it went back to main story.

shame really, I love Lake Placid, it's prolly in my top 15 movies ever.


Lake Placid was a great movie, and definitely underappreciated. I think the best part was it didn't take itself too seriously, but still told a good "monster" storyline. Plus, Betty White is so sassy!


I will agree with you, the sequel sucks. Not even in the "this is so bad, it's funny" sense either. In the "is this movie over yet, cause every moment I watch it, I die a little inside" way.

I enjoyed Lake Placid a lot, too, it was really fun. I'll make a note not to bother with the sequel, so thanks for the heads up. Those two things you mention, though, sound hilarious and almost make me want to see it.

I steal cable
November 18th, 2008, 3:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi6F1z3pYL4

The quality is a bit shit but here's the CGI plane along with the CGI croc destroying the non CGI boat.

Xhex
November 18th, 2008, 3:03 PM
Like Thirteen my better half wants to see this. Luckily with a girlfriend. What I don't understand about it (besides anyone's desire to suffer through it), is why are they out in the sunlight the whole fucking time? Are they supposed to be like Blade or something?

Its a different Vampire concept.

They're actually NOT out in the sunlight directly. They can go out in the day, because the town they're in is typically very cloudy. Oh and sunlight won't kill them. Instead sunlight reflects on their skin to a point where they would be given away to humans straight away.

So...yeah. I don't think they have fangs either :eyebrow:

Ace Rockola
November 18th, 2008, 3:12 PM
Its a different Vampire concept.

They're actually NOT out in the sunlight directly. They can go out in the day, because the town they're in is typically very cloudy. Oh and sunlight won't kill them. Instead sunlight reflects on their skin to a point where they would be given away to humans straight away.

So...yeah. I don't think they have fangs either :eyebrow:

Then call them something other than fucking vampires. Must have been written by a really lazy mother fucker.

Xhex
November 18th, 2008, 3:26 PM
:dunno:

They need blood to survive...surely that justifies Vampirism. There's loads of vampire adaptations in novels, some really are just plain stupid.

PurePlayer
November 25th, 2008, 1:43 AM
I have been on a movie watcing rampage in the last week. I saw the Elephant Man, Full Metal Jacket, True Romance, The Pianist, Unforgiven, Lethal Weapon(yes I have never seen the Lethal Weapon movies), and Superman Doomsday. In the next week I should get to 21 Grams, Fatal Attraction, Lethal Weapon 2, 3, and 4. I must say that I have not been disappointed with any of my viewings so far.

alec empire
November 25th, 2008, 2:29 AM
Like Thirteen my better half wants to see this. Luckily with a girlfriend. What I don't understand about it (besides anyone's desire to suffer through it), is why are they out in the sunlight the whole fucking time? Are they supposed to be like Blade or something?


Haven't seen Twilight yet as well, but Catherine Hardwicke is one of my favorite film directors ever, and I highly reccomend her movies like Thirteen, Lords of Dogtown, and the Nativity Story. Because I'm a fan of her work, I'm sure I will love this flick. (that and I'm embarrased to admit that a 30yrold like myself liked the book, HEY I can't help it, I'm all for anything involving Vampire culture:cool:)

KorruptJustice
November 25th, 2008, 4:16 AM
I have been on a movie watcing rampage in the last week. I saw the Elephant Man, Full Metal Jacket, True Romance, The Pianist, Unforgiven, Lethal Weapon(yes I have never seen the Lethal Weapon movies), and Superman Doomsday. In the next week I should get to 21 Grams, Fatal Attraction, Lethal Weapon 2, 3, and 4. I must say that I have not been disappointed with any of my viewings so far.


I've actually just seen True Romance and Lethal Weapon for the first times fairly recently as well. Loved True Romance, and will be picking that up on DVD as soon as I get the chance, but I was a little dissapointed in Lethal Weapon. I'm not saying that it was a bad movie or anything, I just didn't think it was as great as everyone else is always saying. I guess maybe it was just a case of it being overhyped to me to the point that I had an unreasonable expectation of greatness.

Also, how did you like Full Metal Jacket? I saw that within the last year, and it's one of maybe two or three movies where I love one half of the film and don't care for the other half. In this case, I loved the first half of the movie, but the second half is really something I'd be fine with never watching again.

Beer-Belly
November 25th, 2008, 8:12 AM
I love David Fincher films, but The Curious Case of Benjamin Button looks like a snooze-fest. I'm sure it will storm the Oscars solely because of the people involved. Whatever. The Academy is a massive joke.

PurePlayer
November 25th, 2008, 9:22 AM
Also, how did you like Full Metal Jacket? I saw that within the last year, and it's one of maybe two or three movies where I love one half of the film and don't care for the other half. In this case, I loved the first half of the movie, but the second half is really something I'd be fine with never watching again.

I am in the same boat as you. The second half of the movie isn't bad, but after watching the first half you kind of feel let down. However, the final 20 minutes of that movie was pretty awesome.

Organasm
November 25th, 2008, 4:16 PM
Liking the first half of FMJ best isn't the most original opinion in the world.
Removal of Hartman and Pile aside you've got Joker being an unfunny tosser, Rafterman being a pussy (What bootcamp did he go to!?) and a bunch of ideas that fall flat (Vietnam: The Movie, the interviews, playing pop songs to cover up the lack of anything happening)

Found Fantastic Mr. Fox lying around and read it at the weekend. Got a whole load of Dahl's books in a bag in the front room for some reason. What a fucking pile of shit. All the book's good points are front-loaded so the second half is just full of animals digging tunnels and stealing shit UNTIL.....they have a massive underground banquet. Just ever mounting tedium. The Twits fists this book in every single catergory.

...and how did The Yiddish Policemens Union win so many accolades? Chabon seemed to concerned with giving everything a fruity description instead of getting the fuck on with it, unecessarily 410 pages long. Remove all the bullshit and you've got a couple of good moments in a run-of-the-mill detective novel. Who'd have guessed the chess set held the key to solving the crime!?!
How on Earth are the Coens going to make a watchable flm out of this shit?

Morrison
November 25th, 2008, 4:35 PM
I love David Fincher films, but The Curious Case of Benjamin Button looks like a snooze-fest. I'm sure it will storm the Oscars solely because of the people involved. Whatever. The Academy is a massive joke.

I'm actually really looking forward to this film. The concept is simple, but interesting to perk my ears.

Cactus Lem
November 25th, 2008, 4:54 PM
I love David Fincher films, but The Curious Case of Benjamin Button looks like a snooze-fest. I'm sure it will storm the Oscars solely because of the people involved. Whatever. The Academy is a massive joke.

I am not looking forward to this movie at all. It just looks like Brad Pitt's train ride to Oscar success, and I'm really not a Pitt fan. He's even gone as far as playing a sort of disabled man as well, showing that he really is getting a little desperate for that award.

I watched the trailer, and it basically looks like the second coming of Forest Gump. Guy born with a shitty disability, realised at a young age. Bullied at school. Meets some bird to confide in. Goes off for a bit, becomes a little more grown up and becomes himself. Tracks down random bird. Changed, getting her baps out and shagging around. Can't understand the changes in one another, but eventually come around to loving one another.

Bit for bit, it's Forest Gump, with different characters and settings. The ideals, the characterisation and the motives seem identical. Yes I know writers like to use similar themes throughout their week, but this is just a re-hash, that I'm sure is designed so that Bradd Pitt can finally put a gold man on his mantle piece.

I really do think they're determined to pull off the Br-Angleina sweep on the Best Lead Actor Awards this year, and I'm dreading it.

Ringo
November 25th, 2008, 4:56 PM
I HATE Forest Gump, so chances are I'll like this more than that, but it's also possible it'll remind me of it and I'll hate it even more :\

Cactus Lem
November 25th, 2008, 5:08 PM
I HATE Forest Gump, so chances are I'll like this more than that, but it's also possible it'll remind me of it and I'll hate it even more :\

Forest Gump is amazing. How is it possible to hate such a lovely, and rather interesting film?

Also Hanks >>>>>>>>>> Pitt

Anyday.

Ringo
November 25th, 2008, 5:09 PM
:eek:

Pitt > Hanks, easy.

Cactus Lem
November 25th, 2008, 5:11 PM
:eek:

Pitt > Hanks, easy.

I do not rate Bradd Pitt at all.

Something about the guy I just don't get.

Ringo
November 25th, 2008, 5:19 PM
I only really like a couple of Hanks films where as I like many Pitt films.

Cactus Lem
November 25th, 2008, 5:28 PM
I only really like a couple of Hanks films where as I like many Pitt films.

I think the only two Pitt films I really like are Sleepers, in which he puts in the worst performance of the main cast members there if you ask me, and Babel, where he was good, but nothing outstanding, especially when compared to what Inarritu got out of Del Toro and Penn in 21 Grams, and Gabriel Garcia Bernal and the old bloke in Amorres Perros.

To be honest though, I need to re-watch 12 Monkeys, Seven and Fight Club, as it's been over five years, and I may have been a little young at the time (especially for Fight Club).

Recently though, I HATED Oceans 12, where to be fair he played himself, and as you know couldn't get through Jesse James (and actually thought Casey Affleck blew Pitt out of the water). I also didn't like Troy.

Morrison
November 25th, 2008, 5:31 PM
I only really like a couple of Hanks films where as I like many Pitt films.

I think I'm the same. I love Pitt, only like Hanks(as an actor, I love him outside of movies), but I don't know what the ratio of Pitt to Hanks movies would be...

Pitt films I like:

Seven
Twelve Monkeys
Fight Club
Every Ocean's Film
Mr. and Mrs. Smith
ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES
Burn After Reading

Hanks films I like:

A League of Their Own
Philadelphia
Forrest Gump
Toy Story 1 and 2
That Thing You Do!
Saving Private Ryan
The Green Mile


So I like one more Pitt film then I do Hanks, and the only reason for that is because Pitt fell into a trilogy. I still have to watch Road to Perdition for Hanks, and I never watched Big, Catch Me If You Can and Charlie Wilson's War, so he could pull ahead. But I also haven't seen True Romance and Snatch.

Pitt has the advantage with future projects, having Benjamin Button, Inglorious Bastards, Chad Schmidt and The Fighter all coming out eventually, and Hanks only has Toy Story 3. It's a lot closer then I thought.

Morrison
November 25th, 2008, 5:34 PM
To be honest though, I need to re-watch 12 Monkeys, Seven and Fight Club, as it's been over five years, and I may have been a little young at the time (especially for Fight Club).

And especially for Seven. At a young age, you're not really noticing the acting in that kind of movie, but I love Pitt there. He plays the young, eager, idealistic detective really well, and his chemistry with Freeman is unbelievable. I'd say it's his best performance, right alongside Jesse James.

Ringo
November 25th, 2008, 5:35 PM
Saving Private Ryan? EWWWW.

Hanks Films I Like:

Road To Perdition (Definitely his best performance for me. Well, my favourite anyway)
Toy Story 1 & 2 (I GUESS he can have them!)
That Thing You Do

And I guess Castaway is QUITE FUN.

You haven't seen True Romance? Fucking hell Morrison. One of my favourite films of all time. Pitt is only in it briefly though.

His characters in 12 Monkeys, Fight Club, Seven and Jesse James are all so awesome. And different.

Ringo
November 25th, 2008, 5:37 PM
Gabriel Garcia Bernal in Amorres Perros.


Man he is so awesome in that film. I love it I love it I love it.

EDIT: Meant to include Hanks in Green Mile by the way. He's great in that. I don't dislike Hanks at all by the way. Just prefer Pitt. I also find SPR and FG to be horribly overrated.

Morrison
November 25th, 2008, 5:39 PM
Saving Private Ryan? EWWWW.

Hanks Films I Like:

Road To Perdition (Definitely his best performance for me. Well, my favourite anyway)
Toy Story 1 & 2 (I GUESS he can have them!)
That Thing You Do

And I guess Castaway is QUITE FUN.

You haven't seen True Romance? Fucking hell Morrison. One of my favourite films of all time. Pitt is only in it briefly though.

His characters in 12 Monkeys, Fight Club, Seven and Jesse James are all so awesome. And different.
I really enjoy war films, and Private Ryan is quite an epic one. I really liked Hanks performance in it, too.

And I'll always count animated films. It takes a good actor to put so much effort and character into some computer generated images.

Castaway is fun, but boring as well.

And yeah, I need to get up on True Romance. Don't know why it's taken me this long to see it.


Man he is so awesome in that film. I love it I love it I love it.

EDIT: Meant to include Hanks in Green Mile by the way. He's great in that. I don't dislike Hanks at all by the way. Just prefer Pitt. I also find SPR and FG to be horribly overrated.

Yeah, they're definitely overrated, SPR moreso then Forrest Gump, I feel. I really love Forrest Gump. It probably wouldn't make my top 10, or even 15 or 20, but I'll watch parts of it whenever I see it on television. It's really quotable, at times very touching, quite clever and a bit different.

Myles
November 25th, 2008, 6:27 PM
intervention returns december 15th!!!1 cant wait

Cactus Lem
November 25th, 2008, 6:43 PM
I think I'm the same. I love Pitt, only like Hanks(as an actor, I love him outside of movies), but I don't know what the ratio of Pitt to Hanks movies would be...

Pitt films I like:

Seven
Twelve Monkeys
Fight Club
Every Ocean's Film
Mr. and Mrs. Smith
ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES
Burn After Reading

Hanks films I like:

A League of Their Own
Philadelphia
Forrest Gump
Toy Story 1 and 2
That Thing You Do!
Saving Private Ryan
The Green Mile


So I like one more Pitt film then I do Hanks, and the only reason for that is because Pitt fell into a trilogy. I still have to watch Road to Perdition for Hanks, and I never watched Big, Catch Me If You Can and Charlie Wilson's War, so he could pull ahead. But I also haven't seen True Romance and Snatch.

Pitt has the advantage with future projects, having Benjamin Button, Inglorious Bastards, Chad Schmidt and The Fighter all coming out eventually, and Hanks only has Toy Story 3. It's a lot closer then I thought.

Did you honestly like Oceans 12 Morrison? I just can't see how anyone could like that movie. Horrible, slef indulgent, poorly written rubbish.

Missed out on not watching Big, I adore that movie. I don't imagine you'd be a huge fan if you watched it now for the first time, but as a 4 year old, it was genius to me, and I dig the nostalgia trip it gives me from time to time.

It also has John 'The Dad from Home Alone, and Tony's cop mate from The Sopranos' Heard in it, which makes it even more special for me :D

I watched Road to Perdition for the first time the other night. It's good stuff, that is very much led by its absolutley amazing cinematography throughout. Does a hell of a lot for the film in regard to both style and meaning, with simple shots often meaning so much due to the subtlety of the cinematography.

One thing I did find though, was that the film wasn't the overt gangster film it's made out to be, in fact it was a very interesting film due to the narrative surrounding the gangster genre being totally original. I honestly can't remember a gangster narrative in which the gangster is on the run. It seemed as much a road movie as it did a gangster movie, what with the bonding on the road, and the desperation in certain siutations. I was oddly reminded of Bonnie & Clyde and Badlands at times, more so than I was any Gangster movie.


And especially for Seven. At a young age, you're not really noticing the acting in that kind of movie, but I love Pitt there. He plays the young, eager, idealistic detective really well, and his chemistry with Freeman is unbelievable. I'd say it's his best performance, right alongside Jesse James.

I think I was 16 when I watched it, and it was with a group of mates, so to be honest, not the greatest setting. I remember really liking Morgan Freeman though, but then again it's quite hard to not like Freeman. It's actually been on my 'Too Watch' for a while, so I should get on it soon.

PurePlayer
November 25th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Se7en is probably in my top 20. I love that movie. Like Morrison said, Pitt and Freeman have amazing chemistry in that movie. It's hard to find two other actors with that good a chemistry. That really should be the next movie you watch.

hithit
November 25th, 2008, 11:17 PM
Does anyone watch the Mentalist?

Morrison
November 26th, 2008, 1:05 AM
Did you honestly like Oceans 12 Morrison? I just can't see how anyone could like that movie. Horrible, slef indulgent, poorly written rubbish.


It's not like I loved it, or any of the Ocean's movies for that matter, but the ensemble cast is enjoyable and the whole plot is ridiculous enough to make it interesting.

Hulkamaniac
November 26th, 2008, 4:22 PM
Just got finsished reading "The Road". Good book, a little on the depressing side, but should be interesting to see how it's presented on film.



It was absolutely my most anticipated film of the year until it got pushed back. Big shame that they decided to move it as I was just getting hyped up for it. Some of the pictures from the film have even got me emotional.


I felt the exact opposite. Just because the environment is bleak doesn't mean 1/3 of the book has to be dedicated to descriptions of tinned foods and how the characters ate from said tins. The dialogue is extremely dull and repetitive, to the point where that seems to be the idea, but that isn't the stuff interesting reads are made from.

I'm not saying McCarthy's a shit writer, he made some pretty lame shit with the why he explains them, there were even some parts where I was 'Fuck me something's gonna go down here, finally!!' before the dad and his kid realise everything's alright or they run away, but quite frankly if it wasn't by the guy who wrote BLOOD MERIDIAN I wouldn't have bothered to finish it.

I left it in the student bar after I was done with it as no one should have to pay to read such a turd, though it was probably torn up and used to play noughts and crosses on, a greater use.

I really couldnt disagree more. I thought that it was definitely a very minimalist book, but that was the style, I thought that it set it all up wonderfully. I can blatantly see how that wouldnt be some people's style and therefore could put them off, but it certainly was mine.

Guy
November 26th, 2008, 6:20 PM
It's not like I loved it, or any of the Ocean's movies for that matter, but the ensemble cast is enjoyable and the whole plot is ridiculous enough to make it interesting.

I'm with you here.

The first film is actually pretty decent. The second is a bit of a turd, but surrounded by great actors having a laugh, and thus I'm entertained. Third is better than the second, but the same principle carried me through it

Hulkamaniac
November 26th, 2008, 6:37 PM
I hit the big 400 over the past month. Need to plan something special for the 500th. Reckon that it'll come within a year.

Cactus Lem
November 27th, 2008, 2:50 PM
It's not like I loved it, or any of the Ocean's movies for that matter, but the ensemble cast is enjoyable and the whole plot is ridiculous enough to make it interesting.

Fair enough.

Me and my whole family are the total opposite on the plot, man oh man did it's ridiculousness just piss all of us off. Julia Roberts pretending to be Julia Roberts was just horrible.

I actually saw it at the Kodak Theater in LA, and my whole family seemed to agree that it might have been the worst trip to the cinema we'd ever had, horrible experience.

I just got continually annoyed with just how overly self indulgent the film was. Waaaay too many in-jokes, especially in regard to Matt Damon, they just weren't funny, and the whole thing with Bruce Willis turning up just stunk of....

"Hey George, I just got a call from Bruce, he's in town."

"Oh man, you tell him Brad that he can come down here and we'll write him, it'll be great to ahng out with another A-Lister for the day in Europe."


I hit the big 400 over the past month. Need to plan something special for the 500th. Reckon that it'll come within a year.

What are your referring to here? DVD's?

Ringo
November 27th, 2008, 3:27 PM
I think so. He often talks about his big DVD collection. I'm not sure what I'm on at the mo. Will have to have a count :)

Morrison
November 27th, 2008, 3:36 PM
Fair enough.

Me and my whole family are the total opposite on the plot, man oh man did it's ridiculousness just piss all of us off. Julia Roberts pretending to be Julia Roberts was just horrible.

I actually saw it at the Kodak Theater in LA, and my whole family seemed to agree that it might have been the worst trip to the cinema we'd ever had, horrible experience.

I just got continually annoyed with just how overly self indulgent the film was. Waaaay too many in-jokes, especially in regard to Matt Damon, they just weren't funny, and the whole thing with Bruce Willis turning up just stunk of....

"Hey George, I just got a call from Bruce, he's in town."

"Oh man, you tell him Brad that he can come down here and we'll write him, it'll be great to ahng out with another A-Lister for the day in Europe."


I get that. But I don't always look at things that might be defined as 'overly indulgent' and automatically think it's trash or inferior. I enjoyed seeing these big named stars, most of whom are great actors to boot, up there having some fun and walking their way through this completely ridiculous plot. I never once thought 'oh, hey, they really want me to buy this whole Julia playing Julia thing.' It was supposed to be outlandish and awkward and contrived, which is what made it fun.

Hulkamaniac
November 27th, 2008, 4:22 PM
What are your referring to here? DVD's?


I think so. He often talks about his big DVD collection. I'm not sure what I'm on at the mo. Will have to have a count :)

Only when its about to hit a milestone.

KorruptJustice
November 28th, 2008, 12:15 AM
I hit the big 400 over the past month. Need to plan something special for the 500th. Reckon that it'll come within a year.

Damn, that's impressive. I just passed 250 a couple of weeks ago, but my DVD buying rate has slowed recently. Hell, the only reason I'm even past 250 by now is due to the $5 bargain bin at Wal-Mart.

I steal cable
November 28th, 2008, 1:28 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7753322.stm

about fucking time

alec empire
November 30th, 2008, 3:19 PM
The problem with Brad Pitt's career is that the media has over-blown his career wayyyyy beyond the film industry. Well he's had alot to do with it as well, but viewers these days only want to talk about his personal life rather than his work on film, which kind of sucks because I love Brad Pitt's work and characters, even at his worst he still brought out decent and unique characters. Even if he had part in banking from the media, they just blow.

Sure the money and success is great, but for guys like Brad Pitt, they've been given way too much, I saw his interview with Larry King awhile back, and you could tell he's just sick of it and wants to venture in serious work, like putting in money to help build New Orleans, even in Achitecture which apparantly is his second favorite career in art. Unless he's given roles that are too good to be true, I think he should follow his own advise and leave the film industry for the younger man to make a name for himself.

Brad Pitt will always be one of my favorites, but there's another guy with the same last name, who I hope has a long career with recognition. Michael Pitt. I personally love this guy's work. Delerious, Last Days, and The Dreamers, Bully, pritty much any role this guy has played has been solid.

Hulkamaniac
November 30th, 2008, 3:35 PM
The best thing about Brad Pitt is the projects he chooses.

Jimmy Zero
November 30th, 2008, 4:20 PM
The best thing about Brad Pitt is the projects he chooses.

I couldn't agree more. I don't think the guy is untalented, but he's not half the actor people seem to think he is.

Hulkamaniac
November 30th, 2008, 4:22 PM
He's quite canny though. He's like a Paul Newman without quite having the incredible acting talent. Thats not to say that he doesnt have any though.

Jimmy Zero
November 30th, 2008, 4:27 PM
Yeah, but if he wasn't so HAWT he'd always be cast as the best friend or some secondary shit like that. Call me gay, but I thought one of his better performances I"ve seen from him was in Legends of the Fall. One of the few times I can remember him not playing one of his more predictable roles.

Hulkamaniac
November 30th, 2008, 4:31 PM
He has a problem with delivery. He's a pretty good actor, but when he's shouting or acting a bit weird as part of his film, no matter what film, he has a habit of sounding a little too samey in every performance.

EdgeHead469
November 30th, 2008, 6:34 PM
I thought he was perfect in Oceans 11-13 and he was amazing in Babel and 12 Monkeys.

son_of_foley
December 1st, 2008, 5:00 AM
Babel hurt my face. I thought it was terrible.

Marlon Dingle
December 1st, 2008, 6:12 AM
Fight Club is his best film no questions asked.

Cactus Lem
December 1st, 2008, 9:01 AM
Has anyone in here watched Oz before?

I started watching it about a month ago, loved the first series, and I'm almost done with the second series.

Gotta say, really awesome stuff for the most part. I really like just how fleshed out each character is, with the writing for every character being deep and 3 dimensional, leading to some really interesting situations throughout, and leaving lots of room for development.

EdgeHead469
December 1st, 2008, 10:08 AM
Babel hurt my face. I thought it was terrible.

I enjoyed Pitt's performance and his wife who I can not think of her real name off the top of my head but the rest of that movie was blah.


Fight Club is his best film no questions asked.

Damn! I forgot all about that even though Ed Norton stole that movie. I love him. Was his new movie Pride and Glory or whatever it was called with Colin Farell any good?

son_of_foley
December 1st, 2008, 10:09 AM
Cate Blanchett wasn't it.

Repo
December 1st, 2008, 10:40 AM
I can not read about Pitt and not hear

"You wanna buy a Caravan"

KorruptJustice
December 1st, 2008, 2:30 PM
I enjoyed Pitt's performance and his wife who I can not think of her real name off the top of my head but the rest of that movie was blah.



Damn! I forgot all about that even though Ed Norton stole that movie. I love him. Was his new movie Pride and Glory or whatever it was called with Colin Farell any good?

It was okay, but it kind of dragged in some places, and none of the performances were really stand out "Wow! That was amazing" types of performances.

EdgeHead469
December 1st, 2008, 3:14 PM
Cate Blanchett wasn't it.

:yes: She is good.


It was okay, but it kind of dragged in some places, and none of the performances were really stand out "Wow! That was amazing" types of performances.

Thanks! Glad I waited for DVD or shall I say waiting for DVD.

Hulkamaniac
December 1st, 2008, 7:33 PM
I think that in terms of Pitt movies, I might even go for TAOJJBTCRF over Fight Club. Just maybe.

Marlon Dingle
December 2nd, 2008, 5:15 AM
Just incase no-one has a clue what Mik is on about, or you haven't seen it (like me).

TAOJJBTCRF = The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford :\

Thirteen
December 2nd, 2008, 7:12 AM
What, nobody loved Pitt's performance in Cool World?

EdgeHead469
December 2nd, 2008, 8:09 AM
Just incase no-one has a clue what Mik is on about, or you haven't seen it (like me).

TAOJJBTCRF = The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford :\

I may get ripped for this but that movie sucked ass. The performance by Pitt and Affleck were spot on, lovely but the movie bored the shit outta me. Still for some reason a part of my DVD collection because I am a huge mark for Brad Pitt and Affleck since "Gone Baby Gone" but that movie was ugh.


What, nobody loved Pitt's performance in Cool World?

Cool World?!?! :rolleyes:

Cactus Lem
December 2nd, 2008, 8:28 AM
Talking of Brad Pitt, I watched Burn After Reading last night, and thought that he was absolute gash.

I thought the film was okay, enjoyable enough, but not something I'd pay to see or ever watch again.

It felt a little different to most Coen's films, not having the usual overly stylized capturing of a location that they seem to employ, but then I remembered half way through that they used a different DOP since their usual guy (who's name I forget) was already busy.

What I did find was that the film was trying way to hard to be funny. I'm not gonna stand for this "you don't get the Coen's humour" bollocks, because I found The Big Lebowski incredibly funny, this movie just didn't have the legitimacy of The Big Lebowski, and suffered from poor casting, especially with Pitt.

Pitt's character who was supposed to be an essential comic figure, just fell completley flat since Brad Pitt was so awful with the character. It was as if he was trying to do a whaky impression of someone whacky while everyone laughed along with him because he's Brad Pitt, and he's so funny for being stupid, when in-fact he wasn't funny at all. Yes, he looked and acted ridiculous which he was meant to do, but made a tit of himself in the worst way possible, instead of a "haha, lets laugh along with Brad" sort of way. This was a Jim Carrey like role, played by Brad Pitt, and it just didn't work.

John Malkovich was without a doubt my favourite part of the movie. His angry old man schtick saved the film for me, and made me want to keep watching through the ridiculously un-funny Pitt moments.

Oh and also, the screwball like slapstick moments didn't work to well either.

Rant over.

Morrison
December 2nd, 2008, 8:39 PM
I may get ripped for this but that movie sucked ass. The performance by Pitt and Affleck were spot on, lovely but the movie bored the shit outta me. Still for some reason a part of my DVD collection because I am a huge mark for Brad Pitt and Affleck since "Gone Baby Gone" but that movie was ugh.


No it wasn't. You just aren't the type of person that can watch it.

Adamy
December 2nd, 2008, 9:28 PM
No it wasn't. You just aren't the type of person that can watch it.

That's a little condescending; one can appreciate art without enjoying it. Take, for instance, "The Body of the Dead Christ in the Tomb":

http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1525/03deadch.jpg

I thought Pitt was very out-of-place in that movie. I enjoyed everything except his performance.

Fro
December 2nd, 2008, 9:48 PM
Talking of Brad Pitt, I watched Burn After Reading last night, and thought that he was absolute gash.

I thought the film was okay, enjoyable enough, but not something I'd pay to see or ever watch again.

It felt a little different to most Coen's films, not having the usual overly stylized capturing of a location that they seem to employ, but then I remembered half way through that they used a different DOP since their usual guy (who's name I forget) was already busy.

What I did find was that the film was trying way to hard to be funny. I'm not gonna stand for this "you don't get the Coen's humour" bollocks, because I found The Big Lebowski incredibly funny, this movie just didn't have the legitimacy of The Big Lebowski, and suffered from poor casting, especially with Pitt.

Pitt's character who was supposed to be an essential comic figure, just fell completley flat since Brad Pitt was so awful with the character. It was as if he was trying to do a whaky impression of someone whacky while everyone laughed along with him because he's Brad Pitt, and he's so funny for being stupid, when in-fact he wasn't funny at all. Yes, he looked and acted ridiculous which he was meant to do, but made a tit of himself in the worst way possible, instead of a "haha, lets laugh along with Brad" sort of way. This was a Jim Carrey like role, played by Brad Pitt, and it just didn't work.

John Malkovich was without a doubt my favourite part of the movie. His angry old man schtick saved the film for me, and made me want to keep watching through the ridiculously un-funny Pitt moments.

Oh and also, the screwball like slapstick moments didn't work to well either.

Rant over.

I thought he was good. He certainly didn't steal the show like he usually does, but I think that was because the character had pretty much no depth at all. He was a moron, of course, and was really only there in support of McDormand, who was the focal character. I thought he was funny and played the role well, but it was an extremely shallow role. No doubt he was outshined by the outstanding performances of Malkovich, Clooney and McDormand, and I'll go so far as to say this role wasn't exactly a great fit for him, but he wasn't nearly as bad as you make it seem. He made me laugh a number of times, and if the advertisements didn't completely spoil his character (and portray him as the star of the film which he clearly wasn't), I would have enjoyed it even more.

Miotch
December 2nd, 2008, 10:02 PM
As far as Brad Pitt performances go, no one has even mentioned 12 Monkeys?

Fro
December 2nd, 2008, 10:35 PM
Lol I didn't even realize this was an ongoing Pitt discussion.

He and Hanks are both outstanding actors. Even though Hanks can be a huge bore in some of his lesser films, he has made some real classics. I would say his top 4 are:

Saving Private Ryan
Forrest Gump
Catch Me If You Can
Charlie Wilson's War

...with the latter 2 being personal favorites of mine. Morrison, you really need to see those as they are both tremendous. I actually haven't seen Philadelphia. :\


Ocean's Twelve is just awful, and I am a big fan of the other two.

Thirteen
December 2nd, 2008, 11:33 PM
How do people not know the greatness of Cool World?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GACDzexAdV0

It was well before Brad Pitt started getting known.

I jest about how good of a movie it was. It's ok, has some entertaining stuff, and good to watch if it's on TV, but not something I would run out and go "Greatest movie ever" on.

Morrison
December 3rd, 2008, 12:45 AM
That's a little condescending; one can appreciate art without enjoying it. Take, for instance, "The Body of the Dead Christ in the Tomb":

http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1525/03deadch.jpg

I thought Pitt was very out-of-place in that movie. I enjoyed everything except his performance.

It's not condescending. Saying a deliberate western character study ' sucked ass' because it 'bored you' means you aren't the kind of person that can watch a slow paced film like that. And he didn't say he appreciated it. He said the performances were good, but that it bored him and sucked ass.

Motherboy
December 3rd, 2008, 1:19 AM
Pitt was good in Robert Redford's version of "A River Runs Through It", which I don't think I've seen anyone mention.

Anyway, I just finished watching "Bob Roberts" and I'm on to "The Hudsucker Proxy" now. Tim Robbins is great.

Adamy
December 3rd, 2008, 2:45 AM
It's not condescending. Saying a deliberate western character study ' sucked ass' because it 'bored you' means you aren't the kind of person that can watch a slow paced film like that.

He found something to appreciate about the film, but ultimately his assessment of its merit differs from yours. There's no need to ascribe that to flaws in his character.


And he didn't say he appreciated it.

He said that "Pitt and Affleck were spot on [and] lovely". Therefore, he has identified found aspects of the movie that he appreciated.


He said the performances were good, but that it bored him and sucked ass.

Right... so he found aspects that he appreciated, but he ultimately did not like the movie. At 160 minutes, it probably was too long for its own good.

Morrison
December 3rd, 2008, 3:02 AM
I didn't say it was a flaw in his character. You did. I simply said he's not the kind of person that can sit through a slow paced, character heavy film. Which he obviously isn't. Quite a few people here have watched the film and enjoyed it, despite it's long run time. Some, including myself, didn't even notice how long it was, and would've liked it to run longer. So for him to come in an say it sucked ass and was boring, despite acknowledging that there were parts he appreciated, points pretty conclusively to him not being the kind of person that can sit through an 160 minute film where the acting, cinematography and development of character is paramount, and call it an enjoyable experience. I'm not off base in saying that.

Marlon Dingle
December 3rd, 2008, 4:20 AM
I might actually go see Madagascar 2 tonight, ever since Vue have started doing over 18's only showings I have seen alot more Family/Lower certificated films in the cinema. I think it's a bloody great idea.

Guy
December 3rd, 2008, 5:14 AM
I might actually go see Madagascar 2 tonight, ever since Vue have started doing over 18's only showings I have seen alot more Family/Lower certificated films in the cinema. I think it's a bloody great idea.

:eek:

Since when and why?

Marlon Dingle
December 3rd, 2008, 5:53 AM
They started it as a trial, I'm guessing maybe they understood that people are put off family films when there are kids making noises, esspecially fucking big packs of teeny boppers. So they done a trial and I read it was very succesful and so are continuing with it. It's only been going on for a few months.

Guy
December 3rd, 2008, 6:48 AM
This could be an interesting take on cinema.

If it takes off we may very well see two cuts of a film being released into cinema, the PG-13 AND the Unrated.

That would be very cool

son_of_foley
December 3rd, 2008, 6:57 AM
I don't think the point is for the film to be any different. I think it's just for mass appeal kids film to have a showing for adults who dont really wanna watch it with kids. Things like ratatouille or Wall-E don't need different versions but being able to watch it in peace would be nice.

Guy
December 3rd, 2008, 7:11 AM
I understand the conecpt at the moment yes.

But I mean in time if this two showings becomes a standard of sorts. Most films are toning down to kids nowadays (or teens at least).

It'd be interesting if they then applied this to movies outside of the standard family film fare

Thirteen
December 3rd, 2008, 7:12 AM
I wonder if they'll do one like that that disallows teenagers.

I've honestly gotten to the point where I hate going to see a movie on Friday or Saturday nights because of all the high school kids that think the theater or the surround parking lot is their personal night club.

It's so crowded and annoying. I don't know if this is a common problem everywhere, but where I live, it's a real problem.

But the theater is under the impression as long as they keep bringing in money, they don't care if other people suffer.

Marlon Dingle
December 3rd, 2008, 7:42 AM
I get what you mean. Nothing worse than having to look at all these young teens who use the cinema as a place to hang out for warmth and take up space. They should have a strict policy of no hanging about at the cinema. You should pre-book your ticket, turn up 10 mins before start time buy your beverages and food. Enjoy the film. Then leave straight after the film ends. I walked past the local cinema last night and there were about 20 kids sitting and standing in the doorway of the cinema( it wasn't the enterance, it was the side door for leaving after a film finishes), it really gets on my tits stuff like that. Couple of weeks back there were two lads must have been around 12-13 years olds and they had their girlfriends up against a wall next to the bit you collect your ticket proper snogging and dry-humping. Me and my GF just laughed at them, but the fact there is no security in my local cinema just makes the whole experience a little less enjoyable. And dont get me started on the ques either, it's like bloody Larry David waiting to buy a bottle of perfume.

EdgeHead469
December 3rd, 2008, 3:57 PM
I didn't say it was a flaw in his character. You did. I simply said he's not the kind of person that can sit through a slow paced, character heavy film. Which he obviously isn't. Quite a few people here have watched the film and enjoyed it, despite it's long run time. Some, including myself, didn't even notice how long it was, and would've liked it to run longer. So for him to come in an say it sucked ass and was boring, despite acknowledging that there were parts he appreciated, points pretty conclusively to him not being the kind of person that can sit through an 160 minute film where the acting, cinematography and development of character is paramount, and call it an enjoyable experience. I'm not off base in saying that.


Which is true. I am not the kind of person that can sit through that kind of movie and enjoy it. I also agree that there were parts I enjoyed a lot but for the most part, I found it boring but that is just a personal opinion. I respect that people enjoyed it very much though.

Hulkamaniac
December 3rd, 2008, 6:55 PM
I understand the conecpt at the moment yes.

But I mean in time if this two showings becomes a standard of sorts. Most films are toning down to kids nowadays (or teens at least).

It'd be interesting if they then applied this to movies outside of the standard family film fare

Be unlikely for them to ever do that. The whole creation of prints and shipping and suchlike costs a fortune, considering the child rating doesnt actually restrict adults from watching them, it's unlikely to be profitable.

Guy
December 3rd, 2008, 7:02 PM
Yea it's really just a pipe dream of mine not to have film's watered down all the damn time

And, like mentioned, not to have to sit with a bunch of silly chav teens

Hulkamaniac
December 3rd, 2008, 7:05 PM
I sit in seething fury in the cinema the vast majority of the time until I'm fed up enough to turn around and tell them to shut up and switch their fucking mobile phones off.

Guy
December 3rd, 2008, 7:10 PM
I was sat watching Max Payne (it was free and I love the games, sue me)

And some girl behind me with her mates was all "why's he doing that?" every two minutes.

That film was beyond fucking simple

Hulkamaniac
December 3rd, 2008, 7:13 PM
When I saw Tropic Thunder...there was some lad actually on his phone, drunk, telling the person on the phone what was going on in the film.

Beer-Belly
December 4th, 2008, 8:47 AM
Tropic Thunder is slightly over-rated.

Guy
December 4th, 2008, 9:05 AM
Yea it's not as constantly funny as I expected it to be, still entertaining though

Beer-Belly
December 4th, 2008, 9:13 AM
Downey Jr.'s character got old pretty quickly. Danny McBride got the biggest laughs out of me.

Sue me, but I want to see the new Punisher movie. It's chock full of gore and most of the geek reviewers seem to like it.

Hulkamaniac
December 4th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Over-rated? Who thought that it was anything better than decent?

Jimmy Zero
December 4th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Downey Jr.'s character got old pretty quickly. Danny McBride got the biggest laughs out of me.

Sue me, but I want to see the new Punisher movie. It's chock full of gore and most of the geek reviewers seem to like it.

Danny McBride is fucking awesome. I'd never heard of him before Pineapple Express (at least I don't think I had), but he killed me in that and his few lines in Tropic Thunder had me rolling. When he screamed "BIG ASS TITTIES" right before blowing up that kid's base, I almost pissed myself.

The new Punisher movie looks tight; a proper Punisher movie with no Travolta in sight.

Hobbit
December 4th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Seen a few films recently:

Taken - immense. Didn't expect Neeson to be quite as awesome as he was. Maggie Grace is however appauling. The ending was shit.

The Fall - weird one about the bloke from Pushing Daisies telling a young girl a story in a hospital as he's injured himself doing a stunt for a film. It's gorgeous to look at at times but feels a bit boring and drags a bit near the middle. The landscapes and odd characters in his story reminded me of that Jennifer Lopez film The Cell, which was very good despite people saying it was shit because she was in it.

Saw 5 - only watched this for the traps as usual as the plot became absolutely absurd after the second one IIRC. It was alright, better than the fourth and the traps were great especially the last one. Rita from Dexter was horrific though, so much better in Dexter it hurts.

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 12:04 PM
Finally saw Gone Baby Gone. Really good it was. Reminded me of Mystic River a lot. And the atmosphere was reminiscent of Good Will Hunting, which is all good. I love Casey Affleck. He's proper quality. Ed Harris is the man as well of course.

Hobbit
December 4th, 2008, 12:07 PM
I've still not seen Mystic River. What's similar about it to Gone Baby Gone Ringo as I loved GBG.

Jimmy Zero
December 4th, 2008, 12:13 PM
Well, to start, I'm pretty sure both are based on books by the same author.

I really liked the first 2/3's of Gone Baby Gone, but I was not a fan of how everything played out. Still a good movie, and worth watching.

Keano's Magic Hat
December 4th, 2008, 12:15 PM
I've still not seen Mystic River. What's similar about it to Gone Baby Gone Ringo as I loved GBG.

The only things similar between the two films is that the case is resolved at the end :wtf:

I really struggle to see the comparison here. In any case, Mystic River is far and away the better film. Casey Affleck is fantastic though.

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 12:16 PM
Well, to start, I'm pretty sure both are based on books by the same author.


Haha, really? I didn't even know that.

The whole atmosphere and "feel" is just similar. Playing on the feelings of hope (or lack of it) and where people are from/brought up etc. As a matter of fact the opening of GBG with Casey narrating as they show film of the neighbourhood is perhaps what reminded me most of Mystic River.

And for fuck sake KMH, I didn't mean in a literal sense like they've got similar plots or anything. There's more to a film than just "what happens".

Jimmy Zero
December 4th, 2008, 12:17 PM
Is he in both, or just Gone Baby Gone?

Any desire I had to see Mystic River flew out the window when I saw that one scene with like half the Boston police force holding Sean Penn down while he goes, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 12:19 PM
Casey's just in GBG. Mystic River is good, but you're right, there are times when Penn gets a bit too much to stomach.

son_of_foley
December 4th, 2008, 12:19 PM
I compared them previously on the superficial level of them both being set in boston and the surrounding neighbourhood. They are both quite dark in a way and there is a general similarity.

Taken was brilliant. He basically fucks the whole of albania up.
EDIT: I type like a fucking 12 year old sometimes.

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 12:20 PM
I compared them previously on the super-ficial level of them both being ste in boston and the surrounding neighbourhood. Their both quite dark in a way and there is a general similarness.


:yes:

son_of_foley
December 4th, 2008, 12:21 PM
I see Cactus Lem made the comparrison before me as well. Odd that 3 of us have got that independently of each other as has a friend of mine.

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Pretty much proves that we are right and KMH isn't then :cool:

son_of_foley
December 4th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Fuck me, If you're going to quote it let me fix all the typos.

Keano's Magic Hat
December 4th, 2008, 12:27 PM
And for fuck sake KMH, I didn't mean in a literal sense like they've got similar plots or anything. There's more to a film than just "what happens".

For fucks sake Ringo, don't you think I took that into account when replying to your initial post? Don't patronise me because my opinion is not identical to yours.

I have seen both film many times. Mystic River is a far linear story that really pushes home the question of justice and whether it exists at all. I do agree that both films have a dark them to theme but then again so do many others. And as for the Boston thing, why not throw in The Departed aswell?

son_of_foley
December 4th, 2008, 12:38 PM
Wait, they're actually based on books by the same author? So there's blatantly some similarities there beyond physical location of the stories.

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 12:51 PM
Yeah, just a minor point there.

Keano's Magic Hat
December 4th, 2008, 1:03 PM
Yeah, just a minor point there.

Minor indeed.

You're arguing about something which you know little about. Gone Baby Gone made part of a series of books that featured the recurring characters of Kenzie and Gennaro.

Mystic River was a way for Lehane to take a complete sidestep and start something new. Otherwise he would of stuck with the recurring theme, no? If anything this only discredits your opinion.

It would be like finding comparisons in Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction because they're both by the same man.

son_of_foley
December 4th, 2008, 1:19 PM
It would be closer to finding similarites between Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown as there isnt as much of a departure from general theme as in your example. I'm not claiming they are really similar just the aura of the two films was similar to me.

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 1:21 PM
It's still the SAME AUTHOR. Once again you're taking it too literally and don't appear to understand exactly what we're saying. He may well have started something new and taken a different direction with his work, but he's still the same guy and it's not surprising that there are similarities between the way in which the two separate stories are presented. It's not easy for an author to completely change their writing style.

Of course this is different because the stories have been adapted to film by two different directors, but the point still stands.

For a start, when I said they felt similar, I didn't even know they were based on books by the same author, and it's surely no coincidence that me, sof and Lem all made the same comparison independently of one another.

As for the Kill Bill/Pulp Fiction, I'm just not even going to go there.

Keano's Magic Hat
December 4th, 2008, 1:31 PM
What I am arguing is that the only similarity both films share is that they center around a case with question marks all over them.

The dark feel really wasn't that noticable to me. They both pretty much fit the mould of how a dark film should play out, like A History Of Violence, like The Zodiac, like 8mm etc.. Sure, I could point out similarities in the feel and the style of all the films mentioned, but what would be the point? They only resemble eachother in as much as that they both match cliche's of their parent genres. Just as it is almost impossible to differentiate between most romantic comedies.

Ringo
December 4th, 2008, 1:35 PM
But it didn't feel similar to A History of Violence, Zodiac or 8mm to me. It was Mystic River which it reminded me of. So yeah.

Hulkamaniac
December 4th, 2008, 2:53 PM
Seen a few films recently:

Taken - immense. Didn't expect Neeson to be quite as awesome as he was. Maggie Grace is however appauling. The ending was shit.

The Fall - weird one about the bloke from Pushing Daisies telling a young girl a story in a hospital as he's injured himself doing a stunt for a film. It's gorgeous to look at at times but feels a bit boring and drags a bit near the middle. The landscapes and odd characters in his story reminded me of that Jennifer Lopez film The Cell, which was very good despite people saying it was shit because she was in it.



Really? Taken sounds rubbish. The Fall was indeed gorgeous, I thoroughly enjoyed it on a very artsy level. Probably reminded you of The Cell because they were both directed by the same guy (Tarsem) and stylistically were quite similar.


I've still not seen Mystic River. What's similar about it to Gone Baby Gone Ringo as I loved GBG.


Well, to start, I'm pretty sure both are based on books by the same author.

I really liked the first 2/3's of Gone Baby Gone, but I was not a fan of how everything played out. Still a good movie, and worth watching.


The only things similar between the two films is that the case is resolved at the end :wtf:

I really struggle to see the comparison here. In any case, Mystic River is far and away the better film. Casey Affleck is fantastic though.

Based on books by the same author, both are intense dramas, both set in Boston, both feature the investigation sorrounding the mysterious disappearence of a young girl. I think thats perfectly similar enough for someone to claim that there are 'similarities', he didnt suggest that they were the exact same film or anything.

Beer-Belly
December 4th, 2008, 3:47 PM
Danny McBride is fucking awesome. I'd never heard of him before Pineapple Express (at least I don't think I had), but he killed me in that and his few lines in Tropic Thunder had me rolling. When he screamed "BIG ASS TITTIES" right before blowing up that kid's base, I almost pissed myself.

The new Punisher movie looks tight; a proper Punisher movie with no Travolta in sight.

"BIG ASS TITTIES" was the high point of the movie for me. You should see The Foot Fist Way. McBride is in top form in that movie. He's a small town Tae kwon do instructor who acts like the biggest dick head on the planet.

Beer-Belly
December 4th, 2008, 3:58 PM
I've always thought Christian Bale's Batman voice was partly influenced by Clint Eastwood's signature growl. With Gran Torino it looks like that notion has come full circle and now Clint sounds exactly like Batman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9teLeXZ3XMU

Fuck The Changeling. This is the Clint movie that I'm stoked about.

Keano's Magic Hat
December 4th, 2008, 4:06 PM
Clint Eastwood is the coolest man to ever grace this earth.

Honestly I reckon he'd beat the fuck out of 95% of the world's population. Even now.

Beer-Belly
December 4th, 2008, 4:10 PM
I'd give just about anything for a final Dirty Harry film. Gran Torino is probably the closest I'll get.

Cactus Lem
December 4th, 2008, 6:18 PM
The only things similar between the two films is that the case is resolved at the end :wtf:

I really struggle to see the comparison here. In any case, Mystic River is far and away the better film. Casey Affleck is fantastic though.


Minor indeed.

You're arguing about something which you know little about. Gone Baby Gone made part of a series of books that featured the recurring characters of Kenzie and Gennaro.

Mystic River was a way for Lehane to take a complete sidestep and start something new. Otherwise he would of stuck with the recurring theme, no? If anything this only discredits your opinion.

It would be like finding comparisons in Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction because they're both by the same man.

You're coming across as a bit stupid here. Fair enough if you can't see comparisons, plenty of people can't, but come on, they are all over the place.

Dirty crime in an inner city Boston suburb being the main theme throughout the films, with the crimes being that of missing young girls in both, the condeming of peadophiles, double crossing and plot twists in both that are quite similar, and an overall dark and cold focus on the city of Boston as a whole. That's just stuff that come's to the top of my head, I'm sure if I thought about it a little more I could quite easily think of other examples.

Also, your Pulp Fiction/Kill Bill point is so wrong it's stupid.

Is it not obvious to you that although a director/writer may choose to work in many drastically different genre's, he will often use similar themes, situations and techniques within those genres, generally just adapting them for use within the genre.

Look at say, Paul Thomas Anderson, think of Magnolia and Punch Drunk Love, two drastically different films. In Magnolia we have Tom Cruise's character who felt a sense of rejection during childhood especially by his father, and therefore holds this pain and tries to deny his family pain publicly, almost as if forgetting about his father.

Then in Punch Drunk Love you have Adam Sandler's character who feels like an outcast around his family. He finds it hard to communicate with his sisters in a socially acceptable manner, and feels a pressure and lack of comfort while in their company.

Two very different family situations, but what that shows is that Paul Thomas Anderson as a director and a writer, has a concern with family and those within the family unit who feel a sense of pain, difficulty and shame within the unit.

I could go on with even more family examples from Anderson's work to prove the point if you want me to, but generally with that one example, can you see where I'm coming from?

Guy
December 4th, 2008, 6:34 PM
I've always thought Christian Bale's Batman voice was partly influenced by Clint Eastwood's signature growl. With Gran Torino it looks like that notion has come full circle and now Clint sounds exactly like Batman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9teLeXZ3XMU

Fuck The Changeling. This is the Clint movie that I'm stoked about.

Yea I'm definatly more excited for some grumpy old hard ass Clint

Jimmy Zero
December 4th, 2008, 7:04 PM
To expound on the excellent point Lem made about PT Anderson, take a look at another Anderson: Wes.

All his movies are about people with parental issues, usually with the father, but I don't really think Rushmore and Darjeeling Express (for example) are all that similar.

Hulkamaniac
December 4th, 2008, 7:09 PM
I've always thought Christian Bale's Batman voice was partly influenced by Clint Eastwood's signature growl. With Gran Torino it looks like that notion has come full circle and now Clint sounds exactly like Batman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9teLeXZ3XMU

Fuck The Changeling. This is the Clint movie that I'm stoked about.

You're not the only one. This film is getting far positive hype than Changeling.

son_of_foley
December 5th, 2008, 5:04 AM
I want to see the FOOT FIST WAY. Saw an ad and it looked brilliant

son_of_foley
December 5th, 2008, 5:06 AM
How can taken sound rubbish? Liam Neeson goes to france and beats the head off people with a bad ass martial art. For what it is it's brilliant fun and the action is pretty good

KorruptJustice
December 5th, 2008, 7:45 AM
One other Netflix question, this one about the LOTR Trilogy: Should I go with the extended editions, or the theatrical releases? I'm not a huge fan of fantasy movies, but I did see the first LOTR on video, and enjoyed it. I'm just curious as to whether the extended editions are 'too big' for the casual fan to really get into, and more for the diehard fans, or if they really add something to the films that everyone can enjoy.

Yeah, so after asking about this more than four months ago, I just finished up Return of the King: Extended Edition yesterday. To me, the first one was great, the third one was good, and the second one was pretty average. Maybe it was just a bad day when I watched it, but there really wasn't anything in the second one that really captured my attention. Probably the only exception to that was Gollum. I loved the scenes where he would argue with himself. Really, once the fellowship was broken, he was really the only thing that kept me interested in Frodo and Sam's journey.


The third one's called Sold Out: A Threevening with Kevin Smith

:yes:

I wasn't as big a fan of the second as I was the first, but then not much had happened for him movie wise but Jersey Girl really. and he didn't discuss Jason's sobriety which was probably the biggest change in that year.

This one though has at least 2 films made and another couple in development to talk about.

Also, just picked this up the day after Black Friday (along with The Goonies:hyper:). Really funny, but not as great as the first one, because he really only answered about 8 questions. Every story he told was pretty funny, but nothing reached the greatness of "A giant fucking spider!" or protesting Dogma from the first one, and it really felt like it was over too soon.

Guy
December 5th, 2008, 7:57 AM
Also, just picked this up the day after Black Friday (along with The Goonies:hyper:). Really funny, but not as great as the first one, because he really only answered about 8 questions. Every story he told was pretty funny, but nothing reached the greatness of "A giant fucking spider!" or protesting Dogma from the first one, and it really felt like it was over too soon.

I've yet to pick it up, I think it may have to be post-xmas.

But looking forward to it all the same

EdgeHead469
December 5th, 2008, 3:25 PM
I found it interesting that Barbara Walters had Tom Cruise as one of the 10 most fascinating people of 2008. I thought he was over with and more in the 2007 pop culture archives?

Anyone read reviews on his new Nazi movie yet?

Hulkamaniac
December 5th, 2008, 5:32 PM
How can taken sound rubbish? Liam Neeson goes to france and beats the head off people with a bad ass martial art. For what it is it's brilliant fun and the action is pretty good

The concept I heard was that it was really contrived. Along the lines of:

"I dont want you to go on holiday, I'm worried that something will happen to you, I dont want something to happen to you...I know that its unlikely that something will happen to you, but I think that it will...fuck...something happened, I knew it would. Fortunately I'm a ridiculously hard former CIA man, I'm going to be exceptionally racist and xenophobic and fuck up a load of Albanians to get you back".


I found it interesting that Barbara Walters had Tom Cruise as one of the 10 most fascinating people of 2008. I thought he was over with and more in the 2007 pop culture archives?

Anyone read reviews on his new Nazi movie yet?

Up and down. It was moved back to avoid this Oscar season and get into the next one, which is not a great sign, but I havent heard any bad hype about it in honesty.

EdgeHead469
December 5th, 2008, 5:42 PM
Up and down. It was moved back to avoid this Oscar season and get into the next one, which is not a great sign, but I havent heard any bad hype about it in honesty.

My mom, who is not a realiable source said she read somewhere that there are points in the film where Cruise's performance was "laughable" and he was over the top. I have always been a fan of Cruise but if this is true i feel for him after movies like Tropic Thunder and Lions for Lambs.

Matt E
December 5th, 2008, 8:20 PM
Just watched two fantastic German films in 'Downfall' and 'The Lives of Others'. Have to say both could easily be in my top 10/20 for this decade, thought they were both stunning.

Beer-Belly
December 7th, 2008, 11:19 AM
I really enjoyed Punisher: War Zone. Sure, it's gory schlock, but I happen to like gory schlock. Sometimes I just want to see a movie that refuses to take itself seriously and features more exploding heads than you can shake a stick at.

Still, it's not my ideal Punisher movie. It boggles my mind that Hollywood can take some of the more outlandish comic book heroes and make plausible films out of them, but the Punisher is somehow impossible to translate. It's "Death Wish" with a skull on the guy's chest, for fucks sake.

I steal cable
December 7th, 2008, 12:24 PM
How can taken sound rubbish? Liam Neeson goes to france and beats the head off people with a bad ass martial art. For what it is it's brilliant fun and the action is pretty good

Watched that a while back.

The action is shit, it tries to be like Bourne and fails spectacularly. The storyline is beyond a joke and the stereotyping is just.... wow.

That being said I'd recommend it for anyone to watch. It's bloody hilarious. You'll be laughing at everything from Liam Neelson being horribly miscast to the clunky shitty dialogue.

SACREBLEU!

Pete Cash
December 7th, 2008, 12:27 PM
The Punisher at one point was my favourite comic book hero. He is too black and white to translate to modern comic book films in my opinion.

That is why Batman works and the Punisher doesn't. At the heart of each character is the same motivation, but obviously Batman is less black and white, while Punisher is just some cartoonish stereotype of a comic book antihero.

Anyway, he is still cool and watching him murder a few bad guys is always good. Without giving too much up about my nerd past, there are a few awesome Punisher scenes though.

For example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Punisher:_The_End

TapOut
December 8th, 2008, 3:48 AM
Can someone help me out here? I'm just now getting into "Lost". I bought Season 1 and 2 on iTunes. I finished up Season 1, and just started season 2. At the "Previously on Lost" recap of the first episode of season 2, they show Claire finding Charlie's heroin stash and telling him she doesn't want Charlie around her or her baby. When did this happen? Was this all cut from the shows and shown only in a flashback or what?

*NM, my iTunes downloads have all the wrong metadata.

Marlon Dingle
December 8th, 2008, 5:01 AM
Yeah I was just away to say, that happens later on in either Season 2 or 3. Think you might have downloaded the wrong episode.

TapOut
December 8th, 2008, 5:42 AM
I purchased an entire season, the season 2 premier is labeled incorrectly, it's just an episode called Fire + Water with all the tag information of the first episode. So I have two duplicate episodes. I had to send them an email. Sucks, I was planning on knocking a few episodes out at work tonight.

Beer-Belly
December 8th, 2008, 11:53 AM
The Punisher at one point was my favourite comic book hero. He is too black and white to translate to modern comic book films in my opinion.

That is why Batman works and the Punisher doesn't. At the heart of each character is the same motivation, but obviously Batman is less black and white, while Punisher is just some cartoonish stereotype of a comic book antihero.

Anyway, he is still cool and watching him murder a few bad guys is always good. Without giving too much up about my nerd past, there are a few awesome Punisher scenes though.

For example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Punisher:_The_End
The Punisher was created to reflect the popular film heroes of the time. Dirty Harry and Paul Kersey from the Death Wish movies are the most noticeable influences on the character. I don't see why a decent director can't make a Punisher movie in the tone of those films.

Garth Ennis is indeed a bad ass mother fucker. Have you read any of the Preacher books? I picked one up the other day and couldn't put it down.

Cactus Lem
December 8th, 2008, 1:10 PM
I went and saw Waltz With Bashir last night, and I'll be totally honest and say that I didn't enjoy it all that much.

I appreciated the film and admired it's originality, as it certainly fullfilled most of what it was trying to do, but I just couldn't get involved with the film. I found myself not being able to really get into any of the main guys featured, and for certian periods I'd zone out completley. I think this is where the animation is actually a detriment to the content. Yes it does a whole lot for the films originality and aesthetic style and is without a doubt a huge reason as to why the film has garnered so much attention, but when you're supposed to be feeling sympathy for the characters and the situations that they experience within the film, I just don't think the animation works. I say this because the film is supposed to be very human, and the animation actually distracts from this since there are so many human emotions that just can't be described or put across overly well due to the restrictions that the animation brings with it.

I know that this will probably be argued against with examples of Pixar or Disney films, but those films take place in an entirley cartoon world, this was meant to be a human world expressed via a unique and interesting form of animation, that for me just didn't work.

Ringo
December 8th, 2008, 1:13 PM
Interesting. Haven't seen it yet, but will do as soon as possible. I did create a thread for it by the way, if you'd like to post your thoughts in there as well. I understand what you're saying, and your last sentence is a very good point actually, and something I'll consider when I do get to watch it.

Hulkamaniac
December 8th, 2008, 1:26 PM
I went and saw Waltz With Bashir last night, and I'll be totally honest and say that I didn't enjoy it all that much.

I appreciated the film and admired it's originality, as it certainly fullfilled most of what it was trying to do, but I just couldn't get involved with the film. I found myself not being able to really get into any of the main guys featured, and for certian periods I'd zone out completley. I think this is where the animation is actually a detriment to the content. Yes it does a whole lot for the films originality and aesthetic style and is without a doubt a huge reason as to why the film has garnered so much attention, but when you're supposed to be feeling sympathy for the characters and the situations that they experience within the film, I just don't think the animation works. I say this because the film is supposed to be very human, and the animation actually distracts from this since there are so many human emotions that just can't be described or put across overly well due to the restrictions that the animation brings with it.

I know that this will probably be argued against with examples of Pixar or Disney films, but those films take place in an entirley cartoon world, this was meant to be a human world expressed via a unique and interesting form of animation, that for me just didn't work.


I dunno, I think that you've perfectly justified your point of view there.

Cactus Lem
December 8th, 2008, 1:35 PM
Interesting. Haven't seen it yet, but will do as soon as possible. I did create a thread for it by the way, if you'd like to post your thoughts in there as well. I understand what you're saying, and your last sentence is a very good point actually, and something I'll consider when I do get to watch it.

Ah, I apologise mate, didn't realise there was a thread for it. I'll copy and paste me thoughts over.

To be honest, I wanted to go see Changelling, but the people I was with don't like stuff set in the 20's apparently :wtf: :dunno:

Marlon Dingle
December 8th, 2008, 4:13 PM
I watched Donnie Brasco last night. Never really heard of this film until I scene it in a mates collection, so they lent it to me. Really liked it. JohnnyDepp fucking brilliant actor, cant wait to see him in Public Enemies. "Forgetaboutit."

Guy
December 8th, 2008, 4:28 PM
Donnie Brasco is quite underrated.

well...by underrated I mean not enough people have seen it and it's like 2 everywhere you go

Version 6
December 8th, 2008, 6:04 PM
It's got Pacino and Depp in it.

It's almost impossible for that film to be underrated. In fact, it's a credit to itself that it lives up to the impossible hype of having those two starring together in a mob film.

Guy
December 8th, 2008, 6:29 PM
I've met one person who's even heard of the film, let alone seen it.

On another note "The Last Boy Scout" is on the movie channel, I love this movie even if Damon Waynes is really annoying in it more often than not.

Shane Black dialogue + Bruce Willis stock cop schtick = fun all around

N.E.R.F.
December 8th, 2008, 6:29 PM
True Lies on ITV2 :yes:

Beer-Belly
December 8th, 2008, 6:33 PM
Time Magazine’s Top 10 Best Films of 2008

1. WALL-E
2. Synecdoche, New York
3. My Winnipeg
4. 4 Months, 3 Weeks & 2 Days
5. Milk
6. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
7. Slumdog Millionaire
8. Iron Man
9. Speed Racer
10. Encounters at the End of the World:lol:

Speed Racer? You mean the movie that tanked and looked like a rainbow colored dog turd? Yet the genre film with all the great reviews and second biggest gross ever is nowhere to be seen.

Also, Iron Man is massively over-rated.

Hulkamaniac
December 8th, 2008, 7:34 PM
I've met one person who's even heard of the film, let alone seen it.


You need new friends.

It is more of an unknown gem than it is underrated though. Everyone who has seen it loves it. One of the last proper good roles that each actor has done.

Guy
December 8th, 2008, 7:57 PM
Yea I knew underrated wasn't really the word to use when I was typing it out.

Oddly enough I do prefer having non-film obsessed mates. I hung out with a class of 42 or so media people and there was only a handful that weren't right up their own arses

Version 6
December 9th, 2008, 12:14 AM
Are your friends like 12?

Everyone knows Donnie Brasco mate.

PurePlayer
December 9th, 2008, 12:23 AM
:lol:

Speed Racer? You mean the movie that tanked and looked like a rainbow colored dog turd? Yet the genre film with all the great reviews and second biggest gross ever is nowhere to be seen.

Also, Iron Man is massively over-rated.

Exactly, that list is laughable because the Dark Knight is not on there. I don't see a problem with Iron Man being on there because it was a great movie, and the best marvel movie behind Spiderman 2.

PurePlayer
December 9th, 2008, 12:24 AM
You need new friends.

It is more of an unknown gem than it is underrated though. Everyone who has seen it loves it. One of the last proper good roles that each actor has done.

What do you mean by proper good roles? Does the first Pirates movie not count?