I'm Gonna Ramble On... (Movies/TV/Books version)

[EdgeHead469]

I just can not bring myself to watch "There Will Be Blood", I don't know why but whenever I go to get it I always buy something else. I really wanna see:

1. The Dark Knight - Going while in Daytona this week.
2. The Ruins - Heard it is worth a watch.
3. Lions for Lambs
4. Childern of Men - Still have not seen this fucking movie.

[Guy]

Guy Ritchie may make a Sherlock Holmes film.

I'm not sure how to feel.

Never been a big fan of Guy Ritchie or British Gangster films in general but I love my Sherlock.

Downey JR is set to play Sherlock...or so says Joblo.com

[PurePlayer]

I just can not bring myself to watch "There Will Be Blood", I don't know why but whenever I go to get it I always buy something else. I really wanna see:

1. The Dark Knight - Going while in Daytona this week.
2. The Ruins - Heard it is worth a watch.
3. Lions for Lambs
4. Childern of Men - Still have not seen this fucking movie.

Children of Men is a very good movie. The Ruins was alright I guess. If you don't watch it then you won't miss anything. I also can't wait to see the Dark Knight. It's going to be epic.

[KorruptJustice]

Awww...oh well. I just love Joseph Cotten being an nassssty man in it. That Imdb list is very goofy, and that's the polite way to put it. If you get a chance try Saboteur, the end is a killer. There was a documentary out on Norman Lloyd who really is the last of the Welles Mercury Theatre players and still has all his marbles, I would love to see it.

Yeah, I know the IMDB list is "goofy", and it was more my friend's recommendation that made me watch it than anything. I do want to see Saboteur, as well. Hopefully when I get Netflix in the next week or two I'll finally be able to really work my way through the list of movies I want to see. First on the list is M.


I just can not bring myself to watch "There Will Be Blood", I don't know why but whenever I go to get it I always buy something else. I really wanna see:

2. The Ruins - Heard it is worth a watch.[/COLOR][/B]


It's not.


Downey JR is set to play Sherlock...or so says Joblo.com

That could be really interesting. I've been really impressed with Downey lately, so this could end up being pretty good.

[RockOverBoston]

I just can not bring myself to watch "There Will Be Blood", I don't know why but whenever I go to get it I always buy something else. I really wanna see:
3. Lions for Lambs.

These viewing priorities of yours are completely back asswards.

[Jimmy Zero]

I just can not bring myself to watch "There Will Be Blood", I don't know why but whenever I go to get it I always buy something else. I really wanna see:

2. The Ruins - Heard it is worth a watch.
3. Lions for Lambs

:wtf:

Bitches be trippin

[Beer-Belly]

Hellboy II was fucking grand. Far more memorable than the first one.

[PurePlayer]

I really liked the first one. I just need to find someone I know that watched the first one in order to see this one.

[cherry malotte]

First on the list is M.

Let me know how you like it. I'm a Lorre fangal.

[KorruptJustice]

Hellboy II was fucking grand. Far more memorable than the first one.

Yeah, my friend wants me to go see Hellboy II with him this weekend, but I'm not really sure that I want to yet. I just watched the first one a couple of days ago, and I just thought it was amazingly...average. There wasn't anything that stood out about it for me. While there was nothing I actively hated about the movie, there was nothing that made me go, "Wow. That was cool." Not one scene, not one line, not one character.

[Beer-Belly]

Go see it. All the set-pieces are amazing. It's what the first Hellboy should have been. This one is pure Guillermo nuttiness whereas the first one was more studio filtered. The Myers "here, relate to this guy" character is gone. The villain, Prince Nuada, is awesome. You feel for him, but at the same time the movie doesn't resort to the lame "bad guy with a heart of gold" cliche.

Johann Krauss is the best thing that Seth MacFarlane has ever done. I don't like Family Guy, but his voice work here is outstanding.

Also, Selma Blair is worthy of a good deep-dicking. Apart from her goofy hair-cut she's bangin' hot.

[H2K]

The biggest problem is
It ends on a happy note with Wiebe finally taking the bastard down and getting the top score, but he lost the record 3 months later by only fucking 1,100 points. The bastard is still #1. :\

Damn why did I click that spoiler?! *sheds a tear for Wiebe* He's still #1 to me.

[Andy]

I watched the Constant Gardener again last night. Bloody good film.

[N.E.R.F.]

Bought Rescue Dawn today. Will watch to clear my hangover tomorrow morning. Bale.

Also why can I never find Hallowe'en 2 ANYWHERE except online? :mad:

[Ringo]

Saw it the other day. Really fucking good, although I was probably hoping for a bit more in terms of artsy fartsy fancy scenes with brilliant music and funny lighting.

[RockOverBoston]

Damn why did I click that spoiler?! *sheds a tear for Wiebe* He's still #1 to me.

Seriously, watch the next G4 airing that you can. The whole follow-up show is beyond interesting.

[KorruptJustice]

Bought Rescue Dawn today. Will watch to clear my hangover tomorrow morning. Bale.

Also why can I never find Hallowe'en 2 ANYWHERE except online? :mad:

Really? I see Halloween 2 in almost every store I go. The one I had trouble finding was Halloween 4 a year or two ago. Looked everywhere, and could not find it. I would have had to order it online, but then I got it for Christmas.


I won Juno at a school thing back in May, and it's just been sitting unopened around my apartment ever since, so I finally brought it back to Best Buy. Since I didn't have the receipt, I had to do an exchange, and I ended up getting Gone Baby Gone, one of my favorite movies from last year.

[Hulkamaniac]

Did you not watch Juno?

[PurePlayer]

I know that question is not directed towards me, but I have no intention to ever watch Juno. It probably is a really good movie, but I just don't want to watch it.

Speaking of Halloween dvds, I am usually able to see all of them on the shelf except for Halloween 6. That is the only Halloween movie I never see on tv or on the dvd shelf. It's not like I plan on purchasing it though.

[KorruptJustice]

Did you not watch Juno?

No, I didn't. I do want to see it, and will probably get it through Netflix eventually, but I didn't want to open it in case it turned out to be a movie that I watch once and never watch again, which from what I've heard (admittedly not always a fair indicator), is what it will be, especially when I can just exchange it for a movie that I know I like, and will want to see again.

Really, the only reason I've even had Juno so long is a combination of laziness and spending about a month back home, where there's no Best Buy within convenient driving distance.

[Stringer Bell]

God, I bought Garden State the other day, and I forgot just how much I loved it. I've watched it twice already, and I could be up for a 3rd today :yes: Natalie is just perfection in it, and Zach Braff impresses me. I highly doubt The Last Kiss is worth the download time though, even with The OC chick..

[Hulkamaniac]

I know that question is not directed towards me, but I have no intention to ever watch Juno. It probably is a really good movie, but I just don't want to watch it.

Speaking of Halloween dvds, I am usually able to see all of them on the shelf except for Halloween 6. That is the only Halloween movie I never see on tv or on the dvd shelf. It's not like I plan on purchasing it though.


No, I didn't. I do want to see it, and will probably get it through Netflix eventually, but I didn't want to open it in case it turned out to be a movie that I watch once and never watch again, which from what I've heard (admittedly not always a fair indicator), is what it will be, especially when I can just exchange it for a movie that I know I like, and will want to see again.

Really, the only reason I've even had Juno so long is a combination of laziness and spending about a month back home, where there's no Best Buy within convenient driving distance.

Couple of curiously stupid guys you two.

[KorruptJustice]

:dunno: I don't really see what's that stupid about trading a movie that I'm not sure I want to own for a movie that I do want to own. It's not like I'm never going to see Juno, and if I do end up liking it I can always go and buy it again.

[PurePlayer]

Couple of curiously stupid guys you two.

Yeah maybe. There are just more movies that I would rather see before this one. I have movies like American Psycho, Vertigo, Full Metal Jacket, Boyz N The Hood, Requiem For a Dream, etc that I still need to watch.

[Andy]

Films I've watched in the last 2 days:

The Constant Gardener
Juno
Layer Cake
Top Gun
The Incredibles

Films I plan on watching tonight:

Goodfellas
The Matrix
The Truman Show


Yeah, all my mates are on holiday or at T in the Park this weekend. :(

[Guy]

Yeah maybe. There are just more movies that I would rather see before this one. I have movies like American Psycho, Vertigo, Full Metal Jacket, Boyz N The Hood, Requiem For a Dream, etc that I still need to watch.

Plus Juno isn't particulaly brilliant.

I'd say your priorities are well in order

[mth]

Juno was pretty meh. I'd rate all of the movies I've seen in that list (4/5) above it.

[Guy]

I plan on watching John Woo's "The Killer" tonight, as I've been on a bit of a Chow Yun-Fat marathon as of late, whilst re-visiting "Stranglehold" on the 360.

Watched:
Hard Boiled
Better Tomorrow I, II & III
Pirates of the Carribean: At World's End
Bulletproof Monk (eurgh)
The Replacement Killers

Lined up to watch:
City on Fire
Once a Thief
Tiger on the Beat
God of Gamblers
The Corrupter
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Curse of the Golden Flower

I don't know why, but I find the universal appeal of this guy quite intriguing. He doesn't have th emartial arts background of a Jackie Chan or Jet Li and most of his movies aren't even in English, yet his charisma can't be denied. Obviously John Woo has played a major part in that, but when watching the behind the scenes stuff on the DVD's. it's obvious that he is infact just a very warm person to be around.

I tracked down and got watch both Shoalin Soccer and Kung Fu Hustle whilst I was in the eastern mood. The humour was very hit and miss for me, but enjoyable overall non-the-less

[VanillaJello]

God, I bought Garden State the other day, and I forgot just how much I loved it. I've watched it twice already, and I could be up for a 3rd today :yes: Natalie is just perfection in it, and Zach Braff impresses me. I highly doubt The Last Kiss is worth the download time though, even with The OC chick..

You're right about The Last Kiss. It's not worth the time...

But I don't blame him for shacking up with Bilson... she's definitely one of the hottest actresses out there right now.

[Morrison]

Came home from work the other day after an hour of being there because of a sinus infection/conjunctivitis/whatever and ended up catch the last two hours of Dances With Wolves. I'd always been curious of the film, since it does get a lot of critical praise, but I can't remember ever watching a Kevin Costner film that I've actually really enjoyed, so I've been put off numerous times from actually sitting and watch it. But it really is a wonderful movie, outside the diary voiceover's of Dunbar's, which sound quite awful in comparison with the rest of the acting.

But the only problem I see, is that I missed the first 45 minutes to and hour of the film. So while it was an amazing 2 hour film, I don't know if it'll keep up that level for three. I almost don't want to go back and watch that first hour.

[Ringo]

I'm watching a film about Geronimo now with Matt Damon, Duvall & WES FUCKING STUDI in right now. It's good. I like Dances With Wolves a fair bit. I love films like that.

[Torn]

Why don't you watch it instead of POSTING HERE THEN you mentalist.

Pulp Fiction is on BBC Two, for whatever reason I've never seen it before.

[Andy]

Absolute classic.

[PurePlayer]

Originally Posted by Morrison
but I can't remember ever watching a Kevin Costner film that I've actually really enjoyed, so I've been put off numerous times from actually sitting and watch it.

Did you ever watch the Untouchables? I thought that was a pretty good film that involved Costner.

[Benpas]

God, Blood that reminded me

Chow Yun Fat is just...total class.

The Rice scene in A Better Tomorrow 2 is just pure ridiculous and the whole ending of that movie is great.

[Jimmy Zero]

I liked Shaolin Soccer a lot. Thought it was better than Kung Fu Hustle.

Also, Chow Yun Fat is pretty awesome. I really hated Crouching Tiger when I first saw it, but I watched again a couple years after it'd come out and loved it. It's really a beautiful film.

[Benpas]

Im not a fan of Crouching Tiger, I just don't like wires in Martial Arts movies.

Esp after seeing what someone like Tony jaa can apparantly do without them

[Jimmy Zero]

That was one of the things I had a real problem with on first viewing. For me, I went in expecting a martial arts movie along the lines of what I'd been exposed to previously, as far as martial arts movies go. Needless to say, Wu Tang and Bruce Lee movies certainly weren't as beautiful and artistically executed as Crouching Tiger.

The second time I watched it, I viewed more as the love story that it is and really loved it.

[Benpas]

So RZA is going to be directing a Martial Arts movie soon, that could be pretty cool

[Morrison]

Did you ever watch the Untouchables? I thought that was a pretty good film that involved Costner.

Yep, never liked it.

[Jimmy Zero]

I liked Waterworld.

:ashamed:

[Ringo]

Why don't you watch it instead of POSTING HERE THEN you mentalist.

Pulp Fiction is on BBC Two, for whatever reason I've never seen it before.

Ever heard of an AD BREAK, you fat dickhead you?!

[VanillaJello]

I can't remember ever watching a Kevin Costner film that I've actually really enjoyed, so I've been put off numerous times from actually sitting and watch it.

Not a fan of For Love of The Game?

Epic baseball movie... thought it really caught the essence of the sport.

Plus its a Sam Raimi movie... and most outside of Spiderman 3 are damn good.

[Morrison]

I don't like baseball, so no, not even remotely interested in watching that.

[VanillaJello]

Well then, that accounts for three of Costner's better movies...

Field of Dreams, Bull Durham and For The Love Of The Game.

[Morrison]

Field of Dreams is a nice little film, but I enjoyed it mostly because of James Earl Jones, and it's not something I go back to watch since once again, I'm not a big sports fan.

[Jimmy Zero]

I didn't like FODs at all. Never understood what the hubub was all about. And I like baseball.

[Jimmy Zero]

Want to know what makes me feel old?

Seeing Family Matters, Fresh Prince, Roseanne, and Home Improvement on Nick at Nite.

[RockOverBoston]

Wanna know what makes me feel sad?

The fact that people are still interested in watching Family Matters altogether. I'm almost inclined to lump Home Improvement in there right next to it, but it was certainly a substantially better show than Family Matters.

[Jimmy Zero]

Yeah, that's pretty awful. Remember when Urkle invented a "cool" machine and became Stephon? Move over Bill Shakespeare!

What's next? Two Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place? Herman's Head?

At least the early Fresh Prince episodes, with the real Aunt Viv, are still hilarious.

[Matthew]

hopefully the other aunt viv is dead.

[Morrison]

The power of the Urkel is strong.

I don't think there's any reason to feel old because those shows are running on Nick at Nite, mostly because it's pretty obvious that the reason behind snatching up those shows and airing them is that the old batch of 'classic television' just wasn't cutting things anymore. And the rest has to do with TV Land. It only makes sense to align Nick at Nite more with Nickelodeon now, and playing 'newer' sitcoms gets a younger audience.

[RockOverBoston]

"Yes, Dear" and "Still Standing", 2 other inexplicably long-running and popular shows are probably very serious possibilities.

See, here I was thinking that Nick at Nite was always going to use their timeslots to honor GOOD sitcoms from yesterday. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anywhere where Taxi, Night Court, Cheers, Three's Company, Family Ties,...fuck, even Mad About You (which I wasn't such a big fan of, but was justifiably huge) and so many others are currently airing, but fuck me if I can't go back in time with the fucking Winslow family twice a night (and sometimes more)!

Aside from the fact that they're not particularly good, aren't Family Matters and Home Improvement still a bit too recent to be considered "classics"? I understood Roseanne being there early, Fresh Prince as well...but get real here, Nickelodeon.


It only makes sense to align Nick at Nite more with Nickelodeon now, and playing 'newer' sitcoms gets a younger audience.

I'm with that except for the fact that most of that target demographic is in bed by the time some of these shows air.

Related side topic -- I'll start with the one I think is the most obvious, you cats take it from there...ready, GO!

Shows other than the L&O and CSI franchises that, good, bad or in-between, are on TV far too much at this point:

That 70's Show. Seriously, that show might be on more than the two obvious exceptions that I've made.

[Jimmy Zero]

Don't forget the fucking George Lopez show.

[Morrison]

"Yes, Dear" and "Still Standing", 2 other inexplicably long-running and popular shows are probably very serious possibilities.

See, here I was thinking that Nick at Nite was always going to use their timeslots to honor GOOD sitcoms from yesterday. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anywhere where Taxi, Night Court, Cheers, Three's Company, Family Ties,...fuck, even Mad About You (which I wasn't such a big fan of, but was justifiably huge) and so many others are currently airing, but fuck me if I can't go back in time with the fucking Winslow family twice a night (and sometimes more)!

Aside from the fact that they're not particularly good, aren't Family Matters and Home Improvement still a bit too recent to be considered "classics"? I understood Roseanne being there early, Fresh Prince as well...but get real here, Nickelodeon.

Is Nick at Nite even claiming that their programming blocks are 'classic' television anymore? I haven't watched the channel in a long, long time, so I'm not really sure how they're marketing these newer shows. If they are indeed labeling them 'classics,' then yeah, that's a wonderful hype machine they've got churning over there.


I'm with that except for the fact that most of that target demographic is in bed by the time some of these shows air.

Related side topic -- I'll start with the one I think is the most obvious, you cats take it from there...ready, GO!

Shows other than the L&O and CSI franchises that, good, bad or in-between, are on TV far too much at this point:

That 70's Show. Seriously, that show might be on more than the two obvious exceptions that I've made.

Well, I don't think they're trying to snag the exact same demographic that their earlier programming pulls in. I'd liken Nick at Nite as Nickelodeon's attempt to produce an Adult Swim audience; a group of teens and early adult's where the nostalgia factor of these shows is high, and who wouldn't normally be watching the channel because of the more kiddy cartoons and teenybopper based live action shows.

I just went downstairs, and I could hear my sister watching That 70's Show in her room. Really good call on that one.

Seinfeld used to, and still could, get a ton of play thanks to syndication on FOX and TBS. I don't watch a lot of TV now, so I'm not sure if that's still the case.

[RockOverBoston]

Don't forget the fucking George Lopez show.

Kind of understand that one, too, though - Latino-driven smash hit sitcoms aren't exactly commonplace.

[Jimmy Zero]

Who cares? That show went off the air like 3 years ago and is in syndication on like 4 channels, around Chicagoland at least.

They might as well put Frasier on Nick at Nite.

Actually, I'd love it if they put Frasier on Nick at Nite.

[RockOverBoston]

Last I knew, Frasier is on Lifetime now.

That really doesn't make any fucking sense.

[Jimmy Zero]

Those Roz is a slut jokes never got old.

[RockOverBoston]

Roz being a flighty slut and Daphne more or less just being a housekeeper/object of desire and eventual wife of a clearly gay man is exactly why that show being on the women's network makes no real sense. They were both good characters, but it's not as though any women would ever aspire to be either one of them...

[Jimmy Zero]

Yeah that, and the overall misogynistic attitudes to women in general on that show. I don't recall ever seeing a woman on that show who wasn't somehow defined by her relationship, or desire for a relationship, with a man.

[RockOverBoston]

Outstanding point, that one.

Seriously, what the fuck is that show doing on Lifetime?

My favorite thing about Frazier is that they didn't just spin a character off of Cheers, but they brought one of the show's best running gags with it -- Featured Cast Member Has A Wife That You Never Actually See, Hilarity Ensues (though Frazier actually made Maris a visible character at one point and blew the whole gag, didn't it?)

[Jay]

The incredible Band of Brothers is coming to Blu-Ray, for anyone who's interested.

:hyper:

It's not available until mid-November, but it's still great news. I can't wait to get my hands on it. It's going to be and look amazing.

[Jimmy Zero]

No, I'm pretty sure Maris was only talked about/insulted or we'd see Niles yes dear-ing her on the phone.

There was an episode where they kept hinting at her showing up, but it was a tease. I never knew that the guy that played Marty was a flamer. He's a big Chicago theater guy and I see him every now and then when I'm downtown. You know how some recognizable people look way different in person? Not John Mahoney. I expect to see Eddie trailing behind him every time.

[VanillaJello]

Just a stupid bit of trivia about Eddie...

He was actually replaced by his son (Moose Jr.) late in the shows run.

[Jimmy Zero]

Anyone seen Frasier's new TV show with the wife from Everybody Loves Raymond? It's about a struggling local news show.

Surprisingly decent and Kelsey Grammar does a really good job of not being Frasier.

[VanillaJello]

It got canceled...

I think it was called "Back to You".

I enjoyed it. Especially Josh Gad.

[Jimmy Zero]

Are you serious? That didn't take long. Of course, it was FOX so...

[Hulkamaniac]

I liked Waterworld.

:ashamed:

I can honestly say that I've never seen a Kevin Costner film that I hated.

[Cactus Lem]

I liked Waterworld.

:ashamed:

So did I. I also loved the Waterworld live show at Universal Studios LA. Great fun.

My brother saw the guy who plays Jonah Jameson and the Dad in Juno playing Costners part in the show when he was at Universal last year, which I thought was pretty cool.

I really don't usually like Costner though. I think the only film of his I like is The War, which not many people have seen. He's pretty laid back and does a good job in the role of the father figure in a struggling Mississippi family in 1950's/1960's America. Suited him well.

I also have never got the love for Field of Dreams, I think it's complete trash, just a dull and poorly acted film (outside of Earl Jones), and everything involved was just ridiculous.

Still need to watch Open Range as well, had that on DVD for a while.


The incredible Band of Brothers is coming to Blu-Ray, for anyone who's interested.

:hyper:

It's not available until mid-November, but it's still great news. I can't wait to get my hands on it. It's going to be and look amazing.

I started watching Band of Brothers about a month ago. Had been meaning to for years, and after 3 episodes I'm not getting the love. Yeah some of the action scenes are cool, but I'm not getting the actual plot. Everything seem's so scattered, and I'm not really getting the direction in which they're trying to go in. So far I've wondered whether this is a character driven series, a plot driven series, or an action driven series. So far the action seems to be what it's all about, and I can't really get behind that.

David Schwimmer is also shite as a general, couldn't take him seriously.

[Jimmy Zero]

JFK is fucking sweet. That's my favorite Kostner movie, probably. The guy's a pretty wooden actor, but that's a great movie.

Also, Lem watch the entire BoB set. It's really quite amazing. The first few episodes chapped my ass, too. But once they got to Europe, I was hooked.

[Hulkamaniac]

I dont think that Costner is wooden at all. He's just a very laid back and natural actor.

[Jimmy Zero]

Yeah, wooden is probably the wrong word, but I don't really think of him as an actor with a whole lot of range. He does the whole Aw shucks, down home good ol' boy thing quite well.

[Ringo]

Also, Lem watch the entire BoB set. It's really quite amazing. The first few episodes chapped my ass, too. But once they got to Europe, I was hooked.

Mate, they get to Europe at the end of the first episode. Although they land in Normandy in episode two.

Anyway it's fucking brilliant.

[Jimmy Zero]

Mate, they get to Europe at the end of the first episode. Although the land in Normandy in episode two.

Anyway it's fucking brilliant.

Oh really? Jesus, I haven't seen it in some time. I'm going to have to rewatch it. The first couple episodes I saw were completely out of the order I was supposed to see them in, and it's had me confused since then.

[Cactus Lem]

Does Schwimmer turn up again at all? I'm praying he doesn't.

Also, can someone tell me, does Band of Brothers become clearer and more refined around the characters as the series goes on? Right now, the action scenes just mean nothing to me as I've really been given no one to care about or root for during them, which I don't like unless I'm watching something that's sold to me as mindless action, and this obviousy isn't.

[Ringo]

Yeah a couple of times, but it's not like he's a major part of the series or anything.

Personally I thought he did a good job, but I can see why it may have been hard for you to take him seriously. He certainly seems a bit out of place initially.

[Cactus Lem]

Yeah a couple of times, but it's not like he's a major part of the series or anything.

Personally I thought he did a good job, but I can see why it may have been hard for you to take him seriously. He certainly seems a bit out of place initially.

Really? I just didn't think he looked in anyway 'right' for the role, and he didn't seem in anyway commanding. Just totally forced and kinda out of place.

I preffered seeing Larry David put him down in Curb Your Enthusiasm :)

I also just saw this and it's got me waaaaay excited :hyper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvN-sN71p6Y&feature=user

Looks much better than the reports I've heard about it so far, and I like the whole gun angle they seem to be going for.

[I steal cable]

Just watched Good Night, and Good Luck. Bloody good film. Fair fecking play to George Clooney. I was stupid enough to think the critics were making a big noise about nothing with this movie when it first came out.

I then decided to watch another American factual history thing so I picked 'Breach'. God talk about a let down. I wouldn't of minded the film if it didn't try and build so much fake tension e.g. not a big spoilerwhen they're taking the car apart then have to put it back together! ARE THEY GONNA DO IT IN TIME???!!! LIKE OMG

so what I'm getting at in this post is skip past the first half of the film The Cottage and then just sit back and enjoy the killing

[Hulkamaniac]

Does Schwimmer turn up again at all? I'm praying he doesn't.

Also, can someone tell me, does Band of Brothers become clearer and more refined around the characters as the series goes on? Right now, the action scenes just mean nothing to me as I've really been given no one to care about or root for during them, which I don't like unless I'm watching something that's sold to me as mindless action, and this obviousy isn't.

Of course they do. It simulates a war situation whereby there are lots of people and you're confused and dont know who they are, yet as the series progresses you become familiar with more recognisable characters and start to empathise with them and invest in what happens to them. By the end, you're gutted if anything happens to them.


Yeah a couple of times, but it's not like he's a major part of the series or anything.

Personally I thought he did a good job, but I can see why it may have been hard for you to take him seriously. He certainly seems a bit out of place initially.


Well thats why he was picked for the role. He's supposed to be a fish out of water type character who there is nothing quite right with. He played it excellently. Acting wise he wasnt out of place at all. If people cannot separate him from an entirely different character he played, thats more their fault than his.

[Guy]

But you caught a young Simon Pegg running on and off screen though right?

[Hulkamaniac]

He stops and talks. Doesnt run on and off screen. James McAvoy does the same.

[Guy]

Yea but for he's literally on screen for less than 4 minutes, and in the scope of the running time and events that happen throughout the entire series..I just summed it up as running on and off screen.

I couldn't be arsed to go into the details of his role

[cherry malotte]

I don't hate Costner, in fact he's had some good performances in Silverado, Thirteen Days, No Way Out, and recently in The Upside of Anger. Yeah, Upside is a chick flick but he's really good in it playing a borderline alcoholic former baseball player radio talk show host. He's even better in an Eastwood flick called A Perfect World. I think the problem is that for every good movie that I like him in, he's in three shit movies that kinda negates the good ones.

I haven't seen Mr Brooks yet, but a guy at work said that was pretty good, anybody see him in that?

I did rent In Bruges last weekend, and liked it. I always enjoy Gleeson but was really surprised at how good Farrell was. I'd only previously liked him in Tigerland.

I've got The Bank Job here to watch tomorrow night.

[Stringer Bell]

Okay, so I already posted in here about the greatness that is GARDEN STATE, but I watched it last night for the 5th time since buying it, this time with a lady friend. She pointed something out that I never really registered for some reason, that has me a little confused...

If Largeman is an aspiring/successful actor, why does he also work in the asian restaurant? I'm sure there's a simple explanation, but I couldn't come up with one.

Fucking :heart: the soundtrack to this film. "The Only Living Boy In New York" is probably the best Simon & Garfunkel song I've ever heard. Anyone care to show me otherwise?

[Hulkamaniac]

Have you never seen Friends?

Joey Tribiani was often an aspiring and sometimes successful actor.

The business of showbusiness is unreliable and cut-throat.

[Stringer Bell]

I've seen bits and pieces of Friends, never really caught on with me during its prime. I guess I could catch up with re-runs, but I've got so many other things I'd rather watch. I did see some of Joey, the horrible off-shoot...

I figured the explanation was fairly simply or even something similar to what you said, but thanks Mik :yes: I just found it strange they never show him acting or anything, but showed him working there.

[Judas Iscariot]

Okay, so I already posted in here about the greatness that is GARDEN STATE, but I watched it last night for the 5th time since buying it, this time with a lady friend. She pointed something out that I never really registered for some reason, that has me a little confused...


Wasn't his biggest gig so far playing a retarded kid in a made-for-tv movie? I'd imagine he still needs a day job after that. That's the only thing I can think of.

[Cactus Lem]

Massivley dissapointed with my movie viewing over the weekend. Watched two films in American Graffiti and The Untouchables that I've wanted to see for a while, and I thought both sucked.

Talk about hugely overrated. Always read great things about Graffiti's portrayal of 50's innocenece, but I really think you maybe had to experience the 50's to rate this film so highly, as other than a decent portrayal, it has nothing. Has no actual storyline, it's just a series of events over the course of a night that basically lead nowhere. The comedy is poor (which makes me think it's a product of its time), and the lack of anything actually happening just put me to sleep.

Always heard good things about The Untouchables, but fuck me did this suck. I'm sure Brian De Palma was having a laugh when he making this, as some parts of the film where just so stupidly obvious and in your face that it was stupid. Take Kevin Costner's family for example and the melodramatic sub plot, painful to watch, especially with the use of mega cheesy music to try to create emotion, and the clothes they dressed his wife in where just ridiculous. Its obviousness just had me laughing basically. Then the Sean Connery character was just pure bad. Awful accent, and again far to obvious as a father figure, with obvious dialogue and some ridiculous lines and moral talks.

I really didn't expect the film to be so cheesy. I expected the typical De Palma gangster stereotypes such as greed, excess and glorification, but I didn't expect this to be a melodramatic cheesy verison of Scarface.

Also, I was checking the film on IMDB afterwards, only to find that Sean Connery won an Oscar for his role! Had to be a fix surely, as I can't see how anyone could take him seriously.

[PurePlayer]

Always heard good things about The Untouchables, but fuck me did this suck. I'm sure Brian De Palma was having a laugh when he making this, as some parts of the film where just so stupidly obvious and in your face that it was stupid. Take Kevin Costner's family for example and the melodramatic sub plot, painful to watch, especially with the use of mega cheesy music to try to create emotion, and the clothes they dressed his wife in where just ridiculous. Its obviousness just had me laughing basically. Then the Sean Connery character was just pure bad. Awful accent, and again far to obvious as a father figure, with obvious dialogue and some ridiculous lines and moral talks.

I really didn't expect the film to be so cheesy. I expected the typical De Palma gangster stereotypes such as greed, excess and glorification, but I didn't expect this to be a melodramatic cheesy verison of Scarface.

Also, I was checking the film on IMDB afterwards, only to find that Sean Connery won an Oscar for his role! Had to be a fix surely, as I can't see how anyone could take him seriously.

For a second I thought you were joking. I guess not. I really liked this movie. I thought Connery and Costner did great jobs in their roles here. Some of the scenes were cheesy but it was intended to be which made the tense scenes that much more tense.

[Murphy]

Hmm, my mum came to my flat at the weekend and lent me The Untouchables, along with a few others.

I’m rather intrigued to watch The Untouchables, as I’ve wanted to watch it for years. The Usual Suspects is another one and I have that on my Sky +.

Over the last week, I have watched The Big Lebowski, Scarface and The Dream Team. I’ve seen them all before, but all are still grand. The Dream Team not so much, but it’s still a bit of a giggle.

Scarface remains probably in my top 20 films of all time. Pacino was superb in that film. Love it.

I have about 9 films on my Sky + that I must watch before I have no room left.

I’ll have a bit of a filmathon next week, as I have 9 days off. Oh yes.

[Beer-Belly]

I HATE Kevin Costner. I cringe every time I see the trailer for that shitty Swing Vote movie. It's got OJ jokes 15 years after that shit was relevant. I'd rather watch Kathy Bates have scat sex with Tim Russert's corpse than watch a "light comedy" starring Kevin Costner.

[Hulkamaniac]

Massivley dissapointed with my movie viewing over the weekend. Watched two films in American Graffiti and The Untouchables that I've wanted to see for a while, and I thought both sucked.

Talk about hugely overrated. Always read great things about Graffiti's portrayal of 50's innocenece, but I really think you maybe had to experience the 50's to rate this film so highly, as other than a decent portrayal, it has nothing. Has no actual storyline, it's just a series of events over the course of a night that basically lead nowhere. The comedy is poor (which makes me think it's a product of its time), and the lack of anything actually happening just put me to sleep.

People will be saying the exact same things about Juno in 20 years time.


Always heard good things about The Untouchables, but fuck me did this suck. I'm sure Brian De Palma was having a laugh when he making this, as some parts of the film where just so stupidly obvious and in your face that it was stupid. Take Kevin Costner's family for example and the melodramatic sub plot, painful to watch, especially with the use of mega cheesy music to try to create emotion, and the clothes they dressed his wife in where just ridiculous. Its obviousness just had me laughing basically. Then the Sean Connery character was just pure bad. Awful accent, and again far to obvious as a father figure, with obvious dialogue and some ridiculous lines and moral talks.

I really didn't expect the film to be so cheesy. I expected the typical De Palma gangster stereotypes such as greed, excess and glorification, but I didn't expect this to be a melodramatic cheesy verison of Scarface.

Also, I was checking the film on IMDB afterwards, only to find that Sean Connery won an Oscar for his role! Had to be a fix surely, as I can't see how anyone could take him seriously.

This is a good product of its time that simply hasnt aged too well. I dont agree with many of your complaints though. You need to look beyond certain facts. They cant make a period film in the 80's set much earlier than that and predict how things are going to change its perspective for future audiences.

[KorruptJustice]

The only thing that I really hated about The Untouchables was the ending. Completely took me out of the film.

Watched a couple of things on TCM last night. The first was Sherlock Jr., starring Buster Keaton. This is only the second Keaton film I've ever seen (the first being The General), but I'm definitely becoming a big fan of his. While I did prefer The General more, I still was laughing throughout Sherlock Jr., and will have to try and catch even more of Keaton.

The second thing I watched is probably my favorite short of all time: Laurel & Hardy in The Music Box. I'm normally more of a 3 Stooges fan, but no matter how many times I see this short, I always laugh just as much as I did the first time I saw it.

[Cactus Lem]

For a second I thought you were joking. I guess not. I really liked this movie. I thought Connery and Costner did great jobs in their roles here. Some of the scenes were cheesy but it was intended to be which made the tense scenes that much more tense.

I don't agree at all. I thought the tense scenes came off as a joke quite honestly. The scene on the Canadian border was especially bad, and showed just what a one dimensional film The Untouchables is. The Accountant shooting that bloke was just ridiculous.

I think it's grossly mis-understood by those who haven't seen the film as well. Most people seem to think of it as being a gritty gangster movie about prohibition era Chicago, when in fact it really isn't anything like that. It takes shortcuts at every oppurtunity, gives us a bunch of completley one dimensional and obvious characters, and at times seems like it wants to be a comedy or a melodrama, when neither element helps the main story in anyway.



This is a good product of its time that simply hasnt aged too well. I dont agree with many of your complaints though. You need to look beyond certain facts. They cant make a period film in the 80's set much earlier than that and predict how things are going to change its perspective for future audiences.

I know the 80's was a period in which the family unit was often stressed, and melodrama and feel good moments where commonplace all over the show, but I just didn't think this film suited having such an 80's subplot. I'm sure if I'd have been watching this during the 80's, I'd have been asking myself why the hell they're using an incredibly weak version of a storyline used in John Hughes movies. The greed, power and yuppy excess with the De Niro character made complete sense, and De Palma can direct such a character incredibly well.

Scarface for example has most definetly aged, but I can view it quite simply as a prodcut of its time, and the issues within the film from the time are better dealt with than they are here in The Untouchables, where I felt a lot of the content just seemed totally out of place and actually took away from the main plot.

I don't understand how people can mention this film when they speak of great Gangster flicks. Yeah it features Al Capone, but it's hardly a Gangster picture anyway. It's more of a Police Procedural or Cops and Robbers type film if anything.

[Jimmy Zero]

Watched a couple of things on TCM last night. The first was Sherlock Jr., starring Buster Keaton. This is only the second Keaton film I've ever seen (the first being The General), but I'm definitely becoming a big fan of his. While I did prefer The General more, I still was laughing throughout Sherlock Jr., and will have to try and catch even more of Keaton.

I love Buster Keaton. LOVE. He had at least one death defying stunt in all of his films. He truly brought physical comedy to a whole other level.

[Cactus Lem]

Just got done watching Christopher Nolan's first film Following, brilliant piece of work. I'm actually kind of surprised at just how much I enjoyed the film actually.

I expected a decent low budget festival film, but instead got an incredibly well thought out, deep and manipulative piece. Many similarites to Memento throughout the film, what with obsession, bizzare illness (if you can call it that), innocence and manipulation, and an interesting and rather shocking ending, showing us that Nolan has played with similar themes and ideas since the begining of his career.

Some of the acting is obviously a bit shoddy, but for what this is, it's quite easy to get past, and shouldn't bother anyone. Saying that though, the three main characters are incredibly interesting, with masses of depth, which I found impressive considering Nolan's level of experience at the time.

Overall, a very clever and interesting film that had me gripped throughout. I thought it would be a film purley for Nolan fans to check out too see how he handled himself in his early stages, but I think anyone can enjoy this film if they can get past the budget and acting style, and enjoy it immensley.

I think I honestly enjoyed this more than both Memento and The Presitge.....

[EdgeHead469]

Ok, I just have to say that since Batman Begins, comic book movies have grabbed me by the arm and not let go. I am in love with them and I can not wait for Captain America and The Avengers along with Iron Man II (whenever the make it) and the next Batman!!!

As for reviews:

Iron Man - 4.5/5
---Tony Starks Character - 5/5

Dark Knight - 5/5
WOW!!

Now all I have to do is go see Hulk or wait for video.

[EdgeHead469]

Question?:

Has anyone ever made a thread of "Top 25 Movies of all time" or "25 Fav Movies" cause I think that would make for a very fun thread!

[PurePlayer]

A million times.

[Ringo]

ahahaha

[EdgeHead469]

A million times.


ahahaha

Hey atleast when I am a little bit drunk and writing on the boards I do not just make a thread that will get shut down in two miniutes!!!

Fav movie: Jerry McQuire

[RockOverBoston]

People will be saying the exact same things about Juno in 20 years time.

Nah. Juno won't be considered the cultural classic that American Graffiti is (for whatever reason) and won't stand the test of time to anywhere near the same degree.

Similar major plotlines with similar titles time - Junebug was so much better than Juno that it actually bothers me. It's not even close. Amy Adams could kill Ellen Page in a fight.

[KorruptJustice]

Anyone else watch Burn Notice? I've been watching Season 1 the last week at work on the USA website (since there's almost nothing else to do from 11PM - 7AM), and it's a pretty good show.

I would almost go so far as to say it was better than that, but there's one thing that I really feel holds the show back. For awhile, I couldn't figure out what it was that kept the show from being really good to me, but I finally did. Towards the end of Season 1 there's a run of two or three episodes where Michael Westen's (the main character) mother doesn't appear, and the show's quality improved immensely. Does anyone else who watches this show agree with me? I don't know if it's the character itself, or just the actress who plays her, but the show would be so much better without her.

Also, Bruce Campbell is awesome in this. Kind of interesting for me, as this is the only thing I've ever seen him in where he isn't playing Ash (with the exception of his cameo's in the Spiderman movies), but he's easily my favorite character on the show.

[cherry malotte]

Love Campbell - couldn't wait til The Adventures of Brisco County Jr was released on dvd, now I have to get Jack of All Trades. Too bad he won't do a sequel to Bubba Ho-Tep.

I hated Juno. I hated the character, and wanted to smack her silly everytime I heard that whiny ass voice. Ugh.

[Thirteen]

Burn Notice is currently my favorite show, especially with it being over the summer. I love the interaction between the cast, and the storylines are always fun. Last season's season finale was simply awesome, with so many different things going on, that they made it work.

The new season is equally as good so far, and I like the addition of Tricia Helfer as the "bad guy" so far.

[EdgeHead469]

Just watched for the first time Chrildern of Men and i loved it. The movie itself is one of those one time watches because you know what is going to happen and it will not be as thrilling and exciting the 2nd time around, but everything about it makes me gives this 4/5 stars. I mean Clive Owen could be mentioned with Leo, Bale, Crowe and Depp as the hottest actor is Hollywood and his performance in this was nothing less of great.

The film editing and sound quality were amazing. The picture itself was perfect from the leaves in the background falling as they talk to the scenery and the obvious relationship to WWII and concentration camps mixed in with a "world ending" feeling to it. The end where all the soliders let them pass was a moment and the scores to when people were killed or things happened were PERFECT! There was nothing about this movie short of great.

Overall I recommend this for a cheap buy and for a rent. I got it new at Blockbuster for 7.99 before tax and will not regret it. GREAT MOVIE.

[Bad Obsession]

I couldn't disagree more about it being a 'one time watch.' Probably the greatest thing about Children of Men is the attention to detail. There are hundreds of little things that will have completely passed you by in the first viewing that if you look for on further viewings will only up your enjoyment. You probably noticed some of them, but trust me, until you've read every little poster or piece of graffiti on the walls you've only experienced half of the film.

I've seen it God knows how many times now and now and again I still notice a small little something that I never saw before.

[EdgeHead469]

I couldn't disagree more about it being a 'one time watch.' Probably the greatest thing about Children of Men is the attention to detail. There are hundreds of little things that will have completely passed you by in the first viewing that if you look for on further viewings will only up your enjoyment. You probably noticed some of them, but trust me, until you've read every little poster or piece of graffiti on the walls you've only experienced half of the film.

I've seen it God knows how many times now and now and again I still notice a small little something that I never saw before.

Maybe I will talk my girlfreind into watching it with me due to the fact she is dumb when it comes to movie stuff and she will ask mass questions, making me pay attention to the detail to answer them but when they were at the scene where Clive was talking to Kia's guardian and the leaves were falling and she was swinging on the swing, the scenery just took my breath away. Amazing Cinematography. Oh and the Screenplay itself was awesome.

Also, props to Mike Cain and Chiwetel Ejiofor (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252230/) for their roles in this film as Jasper and Luke. They made part of the movie for me.

[EdgeHead469]

On a side note, I have to say after watching a few movies and thinking back Clive Owen is becoming a Hollywood beast.

Derailed - Not a great movie but his performance was awesome in it and his scenes with Vincent Cassel were wonderful.

King Arthur - Got him off of the ground and he led the pact great and I can not think of anyone better who could have pulled that off. Again, not a 4 star movie but enjoyable and I viewed it a few times.

Inside Man - Agian, good movie with a good swerve and he made that movie for me. His characters always seem to have that serious, monotone type to them but he plays them so damn well.

Sin City - This is the movie he was perfect in. The movie was great and in a movie stacked with top actors I really thought his role overshadowed all the rest and that includes Rourke and Willis. Perfect character for him. One of my favorite movies.

Really looking forward to The International and Sin City II. I have not seen Elizabeth: Golden Age but I may give it a shot to see how he plays the role.
Two last side notes/questions:
1. Clive was awesome in Bourne Identity in the role he had.
2. Is Closer any good?

[Bad Obsession]

Closer is fantastic. My second favourite film that Owen has done.

Although, I must admit, Natalie Portman steals that film for me.

[Hulkamaniac]

Closer is Owen's best performance to date. Children of Men his best film.

[Ringo]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Was about to say the same thing.

[EdgeHead469]

Closer is fantastic. My second favourite film that Owen has done.

Although, I must admit, Natalie Portman steals that film for me.


Closer is Owen's best performance to date. Children of Men his best film.

Well then I must rent and watch this movie because Clive is growing on me with his acting skills and if it is as good as you guys say and I usually agree with movie taste on here, I must see it.

Has anyone seen Elizabeth?

[mth]

Just watched a few flicks over the past couple days....those being Eraserhead, No Country for Old Men, and Across the Universe.

We opted to watch Eraserhead after we enjoyed Mullholland Dr. so much. It was a pretty interesting and intriguing flick, disturbing and unsettling, but I don't know if I'd call it "good". But I liked it. I'm pretty sure I grasped the majority of the symbolism going on. The baby was quite the impressive freaky little muppet.

No Country for Old Men was pretty darn good. The ending, at first, threw me off and left me a bit unsatisfied, but after thinking about it and figuring out the overall concept of the story, it made more sense and I was cool with it.

Across the Universe my wife and I both felt was a let down. Just seemed like they tried too hard to cram the songs in and use them and it felt forced. There was some good stuff visually that I was digging, and the singing/songs themselves were good, we just felt like the concept didn't work out as well as we had hoped it would.

[KorruptJustice]

Burn Notice is currently my favorite show, especially with it being over the summer. I love the interaction between the cast, and the storylines are always fun. Last season's season finale was simply awesome, with so many different things going on, that they made it work.

The new season is equally as good so far, and I like the addition of Tricia Helfer as the "bad guy" so far.

Yeah, apparently usanetwork.com has all the episodes of Burn Notice except the season finale!:mad: So, I'm going to have to track it down on some other website when I'm at work tomorrow night. I'm curious what you think about the mother character Thirteen. I doubt you dislike her as strongly as I do, but do you think the show could be better without her, or at the very least having a different actress in the role?

EDIT: So I just signed up for Netflix, but while I'm choosing movies for my queue, a problem comes up - which version of Blade Runner should I get? Netflix has one with the theatrical and director's cuts, and another version called the Final Cut. Can anyone fill me in on the differences between these three (Theatrical, Director's, Final), and which one is considered to be the one to watch? Or are they all worth watching?

[Jimmy Zero]

I always just watch the theatrical cut, unless I know the director's cut is drastically different. I think the Blade Runner DC is nothing special, but I'm not sure. 9 times out of 10 those things are just for making extra money from saps.

[Hulkamaniac]

I would stress that anyone who likes the films really should watch the directors cut of all of the LOTR films and Kingdom of Heaven...anyone want to add any more to that list?

[Jimmy Zero]

Brazil.

[EdgeHead469]

I would stress that anyone who likes the films really should watch the directors cut of all of the LOTR films and Kingdom of Heaven...anyone want to add any more to that list?

You know, I have never seen all of the LOTR films and I heard that Kingdom of Heaven was not all that great. Maybe on a rainy, Sunday... I will sit down and have a LOTR marathon. Honestly, is it that great to just buy the box set?

[Hulkamaniac]

Yeah. Particularly with KOH, which is pretty much an entirely different film.

[JP]

Watched Jumper the other day.

Was alright, Jamie Bell was by far the best thing in it, but it was certainly a case of style over substance.

[EdgeHead469]

Yeah. Particularly with KOH, which is pretty much an entirely different film.

So you say KOH is for sure worth the watch?

[EdgeHead469]

Watched Jumper the other day.

Was alright, Jamie Bell was by far the best thing in it, but it was certainly a case of style over substance.

See Jumper was hit and miss for me. Rachel Bilson (OC Girl) played her part well and what can you say about Jackson at this point in his career, I mean the Nick Fury character will save him. But I agree that Jamie Bell was superb in this movie and if they make a 2nd I would like to see Bell going up against Hayden as Bell is turned by the people hunting the "Jumpers".

Jumper gets a 2.5/5 for me for the action and Bell.

[Hulkamaniac]

So you say KOH is for sure worth the watch?

Providing you watch the Directors Cut. I still claim that its a better film than Gladiator.

[EdgeHead469]

Providing you watch the Directors Cut. I still claim that its a better film than Gladiator.

Well with Crowe and Phoenix in Gladiator and the whole movie which was amazing IMO and one of my favortie off all time, if you say it is better than I MUST give this film a watch. I will rent it next week on my day off along with Street Kings and chill and watch them.

Man, I loved Gladiator. I thought that was a movie for our generation. What a great film with wonderful sound, film editing, effects, action and acting... I just can not say enough about that film. Ridley, Crowe, Phoenix and the part played by DJ Hounsou and Rich Harris really did it for me.

[Vice]

Yeah. Particularly with KOH, which is pretty much an entirely different film.


I wasn't a big fan of the theatrical cut. I liked it yet couldn't really get into it, as odd as that sounds. With that in mind, do you think I'd like the director's cut?

Edit: There has been a lot of purple lately.

[EdgeHead469]

I wasn't a big fan of the theatrical cut. I liked it yet couldn't really get into it, as odd as that sounds. With that in mind, do you think I'd like the director's cut?


Edit: There has been a lot of purple lately.


Vice, I love my bold purple font. I just wish I knew how to make it my default font on here without having to bold it and purple it everytime I post.

And if you mean just in general, I have made my way to these movie boards to gain respect and voice my oponion because I feel like I am becoming a respected poster on these boards unlike some. Atleast I hope so.

[VanillaJello]

I wasn't a big fan of the theatrical cut. I liked it yet couldn't really get into it, as odd as that sounds. With that in mind, do you think I'd like the director's cut?

Edit: There has been a lot of purple lately.

Can't speak from experience (still haven't seen the director's cut), but I'm in the same boat as you. I had high hopes coming in for KOH, but was let down by the original release.... but the way people talk about the director's cut... and not just in this thread; I'm pretty confident it turns the movie into something much more than the average war film we got in the theaters.

And about Jumpers: The two things that really draw me out of the movie is a.) the horrible use of Diane Lane... if she can only be bothered to be in two or three scenes, just skip the project... and b.) Hayden has to be on my top five list of worst actors going today. Everything he does, from the way he reads his lines robotically, to his lack of emotion, really makes me want to punch him in the face every time I see the kid on screen. The only thing I liked him in was "Shattered Glass" and that's because he was really good at playing a weasel. Everything else, I've hated him in.

[Cactus Lem]

On a Ridley Scott related note, I started watching Alien last night, but I found the film so un-interesting and dull that I switched it off after 45 minutes.

Was massivley dissapointed, as I borrowed the Quadriology DVD set from a mate, and have always heard great things about the first two films, but I didn't get it at all.

For me, the film was far to quiet. Now I can understand why, since there isn't exactly a lot of noise in space, but it seemed more like bad sound than it did an accurate capturing of the atmosphere and sound of space. I was also left bemused by the lack of character intorduction. It seemed that the film was more concerned with showing and familiarizing us with the setting and the technology rather than the actual charaters taking part on the assignment. This most definetly meant I couldn't get into the film, as I always like to be intorduced or get to know the films main characters early on, whereas Alien seemed to take for ever. Now I question how I'm meant to care for characters being attacked by an Alien when I have no idea who they really are due to a lack of an introduction?

Obviously it seems that the film isn't concerned with the characters first anf foremost, and not really being interested in technology or alien life forms in general, I just couldn't get into the film. Bit of a shame, but oh well.

[EdgeHead469]

See, that is werid because I loved the quite, tense feeling you got in Alien compared to the (cut them up, action from the beginning) we get today. I remember my mom and others saying it was a creepy movie when released due to the tension being built and she compared it to a modern day "The Descent" in the way the characters were revealed why they were there but not a lot of character development. You just never knew when something was finally going to occur. I love Alien and it remains one of my favortie horror movies behind The Shining, Dawn of the Dead and Hills Have Eyes.

[Vice]

The original Dawn of the Dead? Big :yes: if so. Fucking brilliant movie that I could watch every day and not get sick of. In fact, I'm going to watch it right now.

[PurePlayer]

Originally Posted by Cactus Lem
On a Ridley Scott related note, I started watching Alien last night, but I found the film so un-interesting and dull that I switched it off after 45 minutes.

I completely agree with that, but I managed to get through the whole film. I did like Aliens a lot better though.

[discipline of revenge]

On a Ridley Scott related note, I started watching Alien last night, but I found the film so un-interesting and dull that I switched it off after 45 minutes.

Was massivley dissapointed, as I borrowed the Quadriology DVD set from a mate, and have always heard great things about the first two films, but I didn't get it at all.

For me, the film was far to quiet. Now I can understand why, since there isn't exactly a lot of noise in space, but it seemed more like bad sound than it did an accurate capturing of the atmosphere and sound of space. I was also left bemused by the lack of character intorduction. It seemed that the film was more concerned with showing and familiarizing us with the setting and the technology rather than the actual charaters taking part on the assignment. This most definetly meant I couldn't get into the film, as I always like to be intorduced or get to know the films main characters early on, whereas Alien seemed to take for ever. Now I question how I'm meant to care for characters being attacked by an Alien when I have no idea who they really are due to a lack of an introduction?

Obviously it seems that the film isn't concerned with the characters first anf foremost, and not really being interested in technology or alien life forms in general, I just couldn't get into the film. Bit of a shame, but oh well.

So you watched all the fluff basically and turned it off before things started heating up.
Gotta wait that shit out .

[Cactus Lem]

So you watched all the fluff basically and turned it off before things started heating up.
Gotta wait that shit out .

45 minutes is quite a while when you're watching a 2 hour film, it's over a third of the film, and by that time I just wasn't interested. Yes I'm sure things probably got better, but I was so un-interested in seeing what else happens, as the film hadn't grabed me and made me anticipate what may be around the corner.

[Hulkamaniac]

Well with Crowe and Phoenix in Gladiator and the whole movie which was amazing IMO and one of my favortie off all time, if you say it is better than I MUST give this film a watch. I will rent it next week on my day off along with Street Kings and chill and watch them.

Man, I loved Gladiator. I thought that was a movie for our generation. What a great film with wonderful sound, film editing, effects, action and acting... I just can not say enough about that film. Ridley, Crowe, Phoenix and the part played by DJ Hounsou and Rich Harris really did it for me.

If you love Gladiator so much, you may not like Kingdom of Heaven as much then. I've posted at length about it before, I just think that its a deeper and more interesting film.



I wasn't a big fan of the theatrical cut. I liked it yet couldn't really get into it, as odd as that sounds. With that in mind, do you think I'd like the director's cut?

Edit: There has been a lot of purple lately.


Can't speak from experience (still haven't seen the director's cut), but I'm in the same boat as you. I had high hopes coming in for KOH, but was let down by the original release.... but the way people talk about the director's cut... and not just in this thread; I'm pretty confident it turns the movie into something much more than the average war film we got in the theaters.



I personally consider it to be a master-piece in its Directors Cut version. Its like a good book, you need to sit and digest it. I've seen it a couple of times in its full version now and it is truly beautiful to watch, its also a very comfortable film, I feel like I could watch it every year and never get bored.


Vice, I love my bold purple font. I just wish I knew how to make it my default font on here without having to bold it and purple it everytime I post.

And if you mean just in general, I have made my way to these movie boards to gain respect and voice my oponion because I feel like I am becoming a respected poster on these boards unlike some. Atleast I hope so.

Dont ask for respect and acceptance mate, just earn it.

[EdgeHead469]

The original Dawn of the Dead? Big :yes: if so. Fucking brilliant movie that I could watch every day and not get sick of. In fact, I'm going to watch it right now.

For sure the original. I also very much like Day of the Dead and Night of the Living Dead. As far as Land of the Dead goes, as much as I cream over John Lugezimo, I just was not a fan, at all.

As for remakes go, I was talking about the Hills remake, which I like more than the original and I do like Dawn of the Dead remake, but nowhere near the likes of the first.

[EdgeHead469]

If you love Gladiator so much, you may not like Kingdom of Heaven as much then. I've posted at length about it before, I just think that its a deeper and more interesting film.

Orlando Bloom got rave reviews for it, Ridley Scott directs it, Ed Norton, Liam Nesson, Eva Green and Jermey Irons with what sounds like a kick ass story according to IMDB.com. I need to go buy the directors cut ASAP, and I am pretty sure I will do that today!

[Hulkamaniac]

Orlando Bloom actually got widely criticised for it. Which he didnt deserve because he did a cracking job, particularly in the directors cut.

[Jimmy Zero]

On a Ridley Scott related note, I started watching Alien last night, but I found the film so un-interesting and dull that I switched it off after 45 minutes.

Was massivley dissapointed, as I borrowed the Quadriology DVD set from a mate, and have always heard great things about the first two films, but I didn't get it at all.

For me, the film was far to quiet. Now I can understand why, since there isn't exactly a lot of noise in space, but it seemed more like bad sound than it did an accurate capturing of the atmosphere and sound of space. I was also left bemused by the lack of character intorduction. It seemed that the film was more concerned with showing and familiarizing us with the setting and the technology rather than the actual charaters taking part on the assignment. This most definetly meant I couldn't get into the film, as I always like to be intorduced or get to know the films main characters early on, whereas Alien seemed to take for ever. Now I question how I'm meant to care for characters being attacked by an Alien when I have no idea who they really are due to a lack of an introduction?

Obviously it seems that the film isn't concerned with the characters first anf foremost, and not really being interested in technology or alien life forms in general, I just couldn't get into the film. Bit of a shame, but oh well.

The first 45 minutes of Alien is seriously the worst part. Come on, it's basically a slasher movie on a space ship. It is an awesome movie and you should probably watch the whole thing before you drop the final judgment. Afterall, the only character you're really supposed to care about is Ridley.

That being said, it is fairly dated as far as its pacing and overall look. It is definitely a slow moving movie. It's old school. If you don't like other classic 70's horror flicks, you probably won't like Alien.

[Cactus Lem]

The first 45 minutes of Alien is seriously the worst part. Come on, it's basically a slasher movie on a space ship. It is an awesome movie and you should probably watch the whole thing before you drop the final judgment. Afterall, the only character you're really supposed to care about is Ridley.

That being said, it is fairly dated as far as its pacing and overall look. It is definitely a slow moving movie. It's old school. If you don't like other classic 70's horror flicks, you probably won't like Alien.

Well, like I said, if a film fails to capture you within the first 45 minutes, I'd say that's the sign of a rather poorly structured and worked film. Nothing made me want to continue watching, I just didn't give a damn.

I'm not passing final judgement, I'm passing judgement on what I saw of the film, and how it completley failed in engaging me and making me care.

I'm a massive fan of 70's cinema, but I'm generally not a fan of horror movies, as I've stated here before.

[Jimmy Zero]

The first bit of that movie is supposed to lull you. It's purposefully unengaging. You're supposed to feel the claustrophobia and boredom that the crew of the Nostromo deals with constantly what with being in deep space. Then bam! Did you even get to the part where the alien busts out of John Hurt?

Yeah, Alien is basically Halloween set on a space ship with out slutty teens. James Cameron's Aliens is much more a traditional action flick, and much easier to get in to.

[Hulkamaniac]

It is a very overrated film, but the first 45 minutes is all set up, so of course its not going to be hugely interesting.

[JP]

Completely agree with that, Alien is a good film but I don't think worthy of the untold praise it gets.

Aliens however is stunningly good.

[Jimmy Zero]

Yeah, the second one is much better, but the first one is a very good movie. At this point, it gets so propped up for being so (at the time) gory and for being one of the first action movies with a legit and believable female hero.

[The Truth]

I watched American Psycho the other night and actually shouted "Oh, THAT'S where Mik's avatar comes from."

[Hulkamaniac]

That movie defines tour de force.

[VanillaJello]

I watched American Psycho the other night and actually shouted "Oh, THAT'S where Mik's avatar comes from."

For the first time?

Welcome to the club.

I'd say it is easily one of my top five, if not favorite movie of all time.

I could watch it weekly and never tire of it.

[Pete Cash]

An overrated film just like its a very overrated novel. The novel is one of the most trite things I have ever read. If you think the ikea scenes in the movie are charming and whimsical, you should see the bloated wrecks they are in the book. In fact I would say the book reads like some kind of mash-up of an ikea catalogue, pitchforkmedia and ogrish.com circa 2003

[Hulkamaniac]

The book is fucking horrible. The film is pretty much the best possible adaptation that could've been made.

[EdgeHead469]

Well, I just went out and bought American Psycho, Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut), and Goodfellas. All 3 are films I have not yet seen but want to and will watch all by next Wednesday. I am really looking forward to them, especially after reading all the good comments on here.

[Atty]

Watch them in the order you listed, Edgehead. American Psycho and Goodfellas are the best, but I'd hate to have anything follow Goodfellas...

[Cactus Lem]

The first bit of that movie is supposed to lull you. It's purposefully unengaging. You're supposed to feel the claustrophobia and boredom that the crew of the Nostromo deals with constantly what with being in deep space. Then bam! Did you even get to the part where the alien busts out of John Hurt?

Yeah, Alien is basically Halloween set on a space ship with out slutty teens. James Cameron's Aliens is much more a traditional action flick, and much easier to get in to.

To say it's purposefully unengaging is a bit ridiculous, as I don't think you'd have anyone watching really if so. I most definetly agree that you're supposed to feel the claustraphobia and boredom of the journey early on, but what it seemed like it was trying to do to me was to engage the audience with the strange enviroment and the technology involved within the enviroment, as well as the spooky potential threat (with the lack of sound benefiting these scenes) within the unknown.

Think of Blade Runner as well, I think Ridley Scott attempts to engage the audience in such a way again, but to a much lesser extent.

I did see the John Hurt part, I went back and watched it after chatting to the mate that I borrowed the DVD from, and while it was a cool moment, it didn't give me the urge to carry on watching.

[PurePlayer]

Think of Blade Runner as well, I think Ridley Scott attempts to engage the audience in such a way again, but to a much lesser extent.


I wasn't a fan of Blade Runner. It was alright, but it didn't live up to the hype it was getting. At least for me it didn't.

[House of Pancakes]

An overrated film just like its a very overrated novel. The novel is one of the most trite things I have ever read. If you think the ikea scenes in the movie are charming and whimsical, you should see the bloated wrecks they are in the book. In fact I would say the book reads like some kind of mash-up of an ikea catalogue, pitchforkmedia and ogrish.com circa 2003

Thirding this opinion. Remember the hilarious "do you like Huey Lewis and the News" scene in the movie? Imagine that scene written down and extended for about 20 pages. To me, Patrick Bateman works much better as a film personality.

[Jimmy Zero]

To say it's purposefully unengaging is a bit ridiculous, as I don't think you'd have anyone watching really if so.

Give me a break, you know what I meant.

Anyways:

Anyone else enjoy watching nature programs? I love them. :heart: Meerkat Manor.

[Hulkamaniac]

Think of Blade Runner as well, I think Ridley Scott attempts to engage the audience in such a way again, but to a much lesser extent.


I wasn't a fan of Blade Runner. It was alright, but it didn't live up to the hype it was getting. At least for me it didn't.

When did you see Blade Runner though lads? Its hard to watch a futuristic film when you're in the future. They consider space-ship-cars to be just as important a technology as a computer that can zoom in on a picture of a video phone. It can drag you out of what is an incredible story.

[tlk23]

Well July was huge, especially with the Dark Knight alone... let's see what movie in August might dethrone it from #1

Release Date August 1st
Midnight Meat Train
Horror with Bradley Cooper & Vinnie Jones
Next stop...death. When Leon Kaufman's (Bradley Cooper) latest body of work -- a collection of provocative, nighttime studies of the city and its inhabitants -- earns the struggling photographer interest from prominent art gallerist Susan Hoff (Brooke Shields), she propels him to get grittier and show the darker side of humanity for his upcoming debut at her downtown art space. Believing he's finally on track for success, Leon's obsessive pursuit of dark subject matter leads him into the path of a serial killer, Mahogany (Vinnie Jones), the subway murderer who stalks late-night commuters -- ultimately butchering them in the most gruesome ways imaginable. With his concerned girlfriend Maya (Leslie Bibb) fearing for his life, Leon's relentless fascination with Mahogany lures him further and further into the bowels of the subways and ultimately into an abyss of pure evil -- inadvertently pulling Maya right along with him.

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor
Comedy/Horror with Brendan Fraser & Jet Li
The explorer Rick O'Connell (Brendan Fraser) returns to combat the resurrected Han Emperor (Jet Li) in an epic that races from the catacombs of ancient China high into the frigid Himalayas. Rick is joined in this all-new adventure by son Alex (Luke Ford), wife Evelyn (Maria Bello) and her brother, Jonathan (John Hannah). And this time, the O'Connells must stop a mummy awoken from a 2,000-year-old curse who threatens to plunge the world into his merciless, unending service. Doomed by a double-crossing sorceress (Michelle Yeoh) to spend eternity in suspended animation, China's ruthless Dragon Emperor and his 10,000 warriors have laid forgotten for eons, entombed in clay as a vast, silent terra cotta army. But when dashing adventurer Alex O'Connell is tricked into awakening the ruler from eternal slumber, the reckless young archaeologist must seek the help of the only people who know more than he does about taking down the undead: his parents. As the monarch roars back to life, our heroes find his quest for world domination has only intensified over the millennia. Striding the Far East with unimaginable supernatural powers, the Emperor Mummy will rouse his legion as an unstoppable, otherworldly force...unless the O'Connells can stop him first.

Swing Vote
Comedy with Kevin Costner & Stanley Tucci
Bud Johnson (Kevin Johnson) has been a major underachiever his entire life who currently splits his time between bartending and raising his twelve-year-old daughter, Molly (Madeline Carroll). However, Bud inexplicably finds himself in the spotlight when Molly mischievously creates a scenario when her dad's vote becomes the deciding one on Election Day.

Release Date August 8th
Fly Me to the Moon
Animation with Tim Curry & Christopher Lloyd
Three young houseflies stow away aboard the Apollo 11 flight to the moon.

The Perfect Game
Drama with Clifton Collins Jr. & Cheech Marin
A former baseball player Cesar Faz, returns home to Mexico, defeated by the racism of the Major Leagues. He coaches a local youth league team, leading them all the way to the Little League World Series.

Pineapple Express
Action Comedy with Seth Rogen & James Franco
Lazy stoner Dale Denton (Seth Rogen) has only one reason to visit his equally lazy dealer Saul Silver (James Franco): to purchase weed, specifically, a rare new strain called Pineapple Express. But when Dale becomes the only witness to a murder by a crooked cop (Rosie Perez) and the city's most dangerous drug lord (Gary Cole), he panics and dumps his roach of Pineapple Express at the scene. Dale now has another reason to visit Saul: to find out if the weed is so rare that it can be traced back to him. And it is. As Dale and Saul run for their lives, they quickly discover that they're not suffering from weed-fueled paranoia; incredibly, the bad guys really are hot on their trail and trying to figure out the fastest way to kill them both. All aboard the PINEAPPLE EXPRESS.

The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2
Romantic Comedy with Blake Lively & Alexis Bledel
Three years later, these lifelong friends embark on separate paths for their first year of college and the summer beyond, but remain in touch by sharing their experiences with each other as they always have--with honesty and humor. Discovering their individual strengths, fears, talents and capacity for love through the choices they make, they come to value more than ever the bond they share and the immeasurable power of their friendship.

Release Date August 15th
Mirrors
Horror with Kiefer Sutherland & Paula Patton
A troubled ex-cop must save his family from an unspeakable evil that is using mirrors as a gateway into their home.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Animation with Samuel L. Jackson & Christopher Lee
On the front lines of an intergalactic struggle between good and evil, fans young and old will join such favorite characters as Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Padme Amidala, along with brand-new heroes like Anakin's padawan learner, Ahsoka. Sinister villains - led by Palpatine, Count Dooku and General Grievous - are poised to rule the galaxy. Stakes are high, and the fate of the "Star Wars" universe rests in the hands of the daring Jedi Knights. Their exploits lead to the action-packed battles and astonishing new revelations that fill "Star Wars: The Clone Wars."

Tropic Thunder
Comedy with Ben Stiller & Robert Downey Jr.
Five actors who go on location and find themselves relying on their boot camp experiences when they get stuck in a real war-like situation.

Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Romantic Comedy with Scarlett Johansson & Penélope Cruz
Vicky and Cristina, these two young Americans spend a summer in Spain and meet a flamboyant artist and his beautiful but insane ex-wife. Vicky is straight-laced and about to be married. Cristina is a sexually adventurous free spirit. When they all become amorously entangled, both comedic and harrowing results ensue.

Wild Child
Romantic Comedy with Emma Roberts & Sonia Rockwell
Poppy (Emma Roberts) is a spoiled Malibu teen who thinks she can get away with doing anything she wants. To teach her some proper manner, Popply's dad sends her to live at an extremely strict boarding school who may just have the tools to tame her.

Release Date August 16th
Fireflies in the Garden
Drama with Julia Roberts & Ryan Reynolds
The complexities of love and commitment in a family torn apart by a tragedy.

Release Date August 19th
Ghost Town
Romantic Comedy with Téa Leoni & Greg Kinnear
Bertram Pincus (Ricky Gervais) dies for seven minutes and when he wakes up, has the ability to see ghosts.

Release Date August 22nd
Crossing Over
Drama with Harrison Ford & Sean Penn
CROSSING OVER is a multi-character canvas about immigrants of different nationalities struggling to achieve legal status in Los Angeles. The film deals with the border, document fraud, the asylum and green card process, work-site enforcement, naturalization, the office of counter terrorism and the clash of cultures.

The Fifth Commandment
Action Comedy with Rick Yune & Keith David
In Bangkok, an assassin who turns down a job that hits too close to home finds himself targeted by the elite members of his profession.

The House Bunny
Comedy with Kellan Rhude & Katharine McPhee
Shelley Darlington has lived at the Playboy mansion for the last nine years. She is Hef's favorite and acts like a den mother to the other girls. On her birthday, she is unceremoniously evicted from Hef's pad for 'being too old.' Homeless and without essential skills, Shelley wanders around L.A. until she finds a new job--the housemother at the most unpopular sorority on campus.

The Longshots
Drama with Ice Cube & Tasha Smith
Based on a true story, a poor Illinois town comes together behind the local Pop Warner football team and their unlikely quarterback, Jasmine Plummer (Keke Palmer), the first female in Pop Warner's history. Under the tutelage of her uncle Curtis (Ice Cube), a former high school football star, Jasmine leads her team, the Minden Browns to the Pop Warner Super Bowl and inspires the town of Minden, Illinois to reclaim some of its former glory.

Release Date August 29th
Babylon A.D.
Sci-Fi Thriller with Vin Diesel & Michelle Yeoh
Story is set in the near future and concerns genetic manipulation. A a mercenary charged with delivering a young woman from Russia to Canada learns that she has been manipulated by a synthetic virus and what lies inside her could doom the human race.

Big Stan
Comedy with Rob Schneider & David Carradine
Big Stan (Rob Schneider), a geeky conman who gets sentenced to a prison stretch. Terrified of being raped, he enlists the aid of a martial arts guru (David Carradine) to teach him kung-fu. When he goes inside, his newfound skills result in his becoming an unlikely hero, as he outsmarts the warring prison gangs.

College
Comedy with Drake Bell & Andrew Caldwell
Three high school seniors have the wildest weekend of their lives when checking out a nearby college as prospective freshmen.

Disaster Movie
Comedy with Carmen Electra & Kimberly Kardashian
DISASTER MOVIE follows the comic misadventures of a group of ridiculously attractive twenty-somethings during one fateful night as they try to make their way to safety while every known natural disaster and catastrophic event - asteroids, twisters, earthquakes, the works -- hits the city and their path as they try to solve a series of mysteries to end the rampant destruction.

Traitor
Drama with Guy Pearce & Don Cheadle
When straight arrow FBI agent Roy Clayton (Guy Pearce) heads up the investigation into a dangerous international conspiracy, all clues seem to lead back to former U.S. Special Operations officer, Samir Horn (Don Cheadle). A mysterious figure with a web of connections to terrorist organizations, Horn has a knack for emerging on the scene just as a major operation goes down. The inter-agency task force looking into the case meets with Carter (Jeff Daniels), a veteran CIA contractor who seemingly has his own agenda and Max Archer (Neal McDonough), a fellow FBI agent. The task force links Horn to a prison break in Yemen, a bombing in Nice and a raid in London, but a tangle of contradictory evidence emerges, forcing Clayton to question whether his quarry is a disaffected former military operative -- or something far more complicated. Obsessed with discovering the truth, Clayton tracks Horn across the globe as the elusive ex-soldier burrows deeper and deeper into a world of shadows and intrigue.

[tlk23]

....

[Mills]

Traitor, Tropic Thunder, and Pineapple express sounds good... that's it. I actually missed out on a sneak preview or Pineaple express last week. My boss got the tickets (It's next to 2 movie theaters, so we get lots of comped tickets) and was going to surprise us on Monday. The only problem was that they expired the thursday before.

[Ace Rockola]

Carradine! If I still worked in a theater I'd totally watch that crap.

[The_Mike]

I think the Clone Wars movie could do it. Not that I imagine it to be particularly successful but just about anyone who still cares about Star Wars is going to want to see it immediately so I can see the first week being substantial enough to knock off The Dark Knight.

[Morrison]

Depends on how far The Dark Knight starts to drop off in the next two weeks. Really, I don't think an animated Star Wars film is going to generate the same kind of attention that the live action(well, mostly live action) films did.

[Ace Rockola]

Pineapple Express or Tropic Thunder will take Bats top spot first. Both, especially TT seem to have a lot of excitment from movie goers. I don't know a single person who doesn't love the Downey in black face bit.

[KorruptJustice]

So I just signed up for Netflix, but while I'm choosing movies for my queue, a problem comes up - which version of Blade Runner should I get? Netflix has one with the theatrical and director's cuts, and another version called the Final Cut. Can anyone fill me in on the differences between these three (Theatrical, Director's, Final), and which one is considered to be the one to watch? Or are they all worth watching?

One other Netflix question, this one about the LOTR Trilogy: Should I go with the extended editions, or the theatrical releases? I'm not a huge fan of fantasy movies, but I did see the first LOTR on video, and enjoyed it. I'm just curious as to whether the extended editions are 'too big' for the casual fan to really get into, and more for the diehard fans, or if they really add something to the films that everyone can enjoy.

[Vice]

Personally, if you're not a huge LOTR fan I'd say go with the theatrical releases first. Being a casual fan myself, I found the extended editions far too long and had a hard time staying involved. I'm sure they're wank-worthy for die hard fans though.

Since it's Netflix, you can always go back and order the extended editions if you find yourself loving the series. But that's just my opinion.

[Bad Obsession]

If you liked the theatrical version of the first film I would say there's no harm in trying out the extended versions as long as you didn't think that it went on for too long in the first place. It does add a fair bit extra on to the running time but many things get fleshed out much more and I think you'll have a better understanding of some of the characters and thus appreciate the story more. I wish I could have seen the extended ones first time around. Plus, if you don't watch the extended ones you don't ever see Boromir again! Imagine that horror!

On a seperate note I watched Wanted last night. Better than I expected. Some dodgy CGI in places and the story was ridiculously predictable, however McAvoy really impressed me with his performance. He gave it much more than I thought he would and made the cliched story of a guy going from a wimpy loser to kick ass protagonist much more interesting.

And Angelina has a ridiculous arse. I'm hoping that was actually her.

[Hulkamaniac]

I'd imagine that it was.

In terms of LOTR. If you want to watch the films all in one go, get the theatrical cut. If you can handle watching it over a few different sessions, get the Extended Editions.

[EdgeHead469]

Traitor could easily steal August away from any other movie playing this month. Only bad thing is I am a movie buff and this is the first I have heard of this film. Two great actors and it has not been shown at all.

Tropic Thunder will do great because of the cast and its advertising and Seth Rogen in "Pineapple Express" will be a fun, money making movie.

As for the "Clone Wars", I think this movie looks stupid and I will probably never watch it unless it gets mass good reviews or I am bored late at night and it comes onto my TV set.

[Hulkamaniac]

Traitor isnt released for another few weeks, thats plenty of time to advertise a film of this kind (which tend not to get months of publicity first). The release strategy will likely depend on the success of trial screenings. If you havent heard of the film at all, you should be working on your film-buffness.

[EdgeHead469]

Traitor isnt released for another few weeks, thats plenty of time to advertise a film of this kind (which tend not to get months of publicity first). The release strategy will likely depend on the success of trial screenings. If you havent heard of the film at all, you should be working on your film-buffness.

I sense some sarcasm there, but I know. I have been busy lately, I will have to give this a "google" search, find a trailer and enjoy then discuss some more.

[Hulkamaniac]

I dont see where there was sarcasm in my post.

[EdgeHead469]

I dont see where there was sarcasm in my post.

The "shaping up your film-buffness" line, but I see where you coming from. I am just messing around anyway. I need to get with the future projects more anyways as posting on here in the last 7-10 days has really got me excited for this year's remaining releases along with next years (mainly Public Enemies).

[Hulkamaniac]

No, I was serious. To wear the film-buff tag, even if you have given it to yourself, brings responsibility to keep up to date with developments and upcoming projects in the business.

[EdgeHead469]

No, I was serious. To wear the film-buff tag, even if you have given it to yourself, brings responsibility to keep up to date with developments and upcoming projects in the business.

Very true. I guess I can just say I am a film-junkie and give the title of a film-buff to someone else.

Speaking of that, anyone heard of this film they are filming right now with, yes here comes the name, Tom Cruise entitled "Valkyrie". I myself am a huge Crusie nut, I love his movies and could give a shit less about his personal life and what he does but anyways, here is a little summary from imdb.com:

"At the height of WW2, a group of high-ranking German officers hatched a plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler, and seize power of the military command in order to end the war. The operation was codenamed "Valkyrie", for the emergency plan that was meant to be used in case of a revolt against the Nazi government. This plan had been modified by the conspirators to ensure their success, but for various reasons the plot failed when finally carried out on 20 July 1944. The conspirators of the inner circle were shot after a kangaroo trial or sentenced to death soon after."

Sounds like it could be an OK film. Probably, like Lions for Lambs won't do hot at all at the box office but may get some good reviews and I will give it a shot.

[Hulkamaniac]

Of course. As soon as it was announced it was immediately tagged for numerous awards, but its had some prettty shitty press since then and has been pushed back a couple of times. We'll just have to wait and see. Everything sorrounding Cruise at the moment seems to be laced with weirdness.

[EdgeHead469]

Of course. As soon as it was announced it was immediately tagged for numerous awards, but its had some prettty shitty press since then and has been pushed back a couple of times. We'll just have to wait and see. Everything sorrounding Cruise at the moment seems to be laced with weirdness.

Which I hate. I just wish that sometimes people could forget his "Couch Jumping" and "Scientology" bull shit and focus on his acting and movie parts.

[Hulkamaniac]

Live by the press, die by the press.

[EdgeHead469]

Live by the press, die by the press.

To quote Metallica, "Sad but True."

[Hulkamaniac]

Which is why its such a fucker the way that they convicted Christian Bale before knowing the full details and wont ever retract their original statements on the matter. He's never anything but polite to the press and never seeks publicity himself.

[Ace Rockola]

Which I hate. I just wish that sometimes people could forget his "Couch Jumping" and "Scientology" bull shit and focus on his acting and movie parts.

Well, maybe if he stopped acting like a crazy person people would stop treating him as one.

That movie does sound interesting though. I remember seeing the trailer a long time ago when my theater opened Lions for Lambs.

[EdgeHead469]

I Just finished watching American Psycho and I must tell you, the movie as a whole was not what I thought it would be. I mean, I am glad it only cost me 9.99 and I will for sure watch it again to take in anything I may have missed but the ending was a little ackward and not understandable to the fullest.

As for Bale's performance, after seeing him in these "A" list movie's then going back and watching this film, his character really shines in AP. From the phone conversation he left his "Lawyer" to the scene with himself and Jared Leto, everything was perfect. Bale played that role to key just like he does any role he is in. This may be the 3rd movie now, right there with "Rescue Dawn" and "Harsh Times" that I did not enjoy the movie all that much but because of his performance I liked it and will watch it again.

The movie itself did have great scores in it and the music was perfect. The whole story was a nice touch and I loved his character.

[Hulkamaniac]

That is literally exactly how the ending is supposed to be.

[Ace Rockola]

Oddly enough for the first time ever, I too watched American Psycho last night. Funny how that works.

I loved the whole thing. Exactly what I was hoping out of it.

Obviously it's an ending that's left open to discuss, so, yeah, what's the opinion of everyone?

The two main thoughts seem to be A. We were watching his dreams and fantasies play out. B. Everyone around him was so far up their own asses that he was able to get away with all this crazy shit cause nobody noticed or really cared.

The girlfriend seemed to believe that if the film had a straight up answer, it was A. This was all just in his head. I think if it's a straight up black and white issue, I'd go with B. But I think the truth actually falls somewhere inbetween. Seeing as how at the end his own lawyer had no idea who he was talking too, it's quite easy to believe Patrick killed Paul Allen (a name I couldn't help but laugh about the whole movie) and the guy had dinner with someone he very well thought was him, but infact wasn't. Then there's stuff that supports the fantasy such as the ATM wanting to be fed the cat and his GTA style run in with the cops.

So yeah, my personal opinion, a lot of stuff we saw actually did happen, but another good chunk was either totally in his head, or was at least exagerated in his head.

[EdgeHead469]

Oddly enough for the first time ever, I too watched American Psycho last night. Funny how that works.

I loved the whole thing. Exactly what I was hoping out of it.

Obviously it's an ending that's left open to discuss, so, yeah, what's the opinion of everyone?

The two main thoughts seem to be A. We were watching his dreams and fantasies play out. B. Everyone around him was so far up their own asses that he was able to get away with all this crazy shit cause nobody noticed or really cared.

The girlfriend seemed to believe that if the film had a straight up answer, it was A. This was all just in his head. I think if it's a straight up black and white issue, I'd go with B. But I think the truth actually falls somewhere inbetween. Seeing as how at the end his own lawyer had no idea who he was talking too, it's quite easy to believe Patrick killed Paul Allen (a name I couldn't help but laugh about the whole movie) and the guy had dinner with someone he very well thought was him, but infact wasn't. Then there's stuff that supports the fantasy such as the ATM wanting to be fed the cat and his GTA style run in with the cops.

So yeah, my personal opinion, a lot of stuff we saw actually did happen, but another good chunk was either totally in his head, or was at least exagerated in his head.

I too think it was all in his head. Like how he killed the two men at his workplace then just walked right back in and went into work. Also, the cat thing made me think it was all a fantasy he wanted to live out also. There were hints throughout the movie like when he said I am into murder and execution and the model said something way different... it is like he was dreaming what he wanted to say but it was never what was really said and he was just bored with his life.

Maybe Paul Allen really was not dead... and the cop having the exact same CD along with placing him somewhere at the Time of Death was odd also, makes me think even more to the living out a fantasy way.

[Hulkamaniac]

It should be B, as a final answer, though he no doubt becomes delusional at times.

[EdgeHead469]

It should be B, as a final answer, though he no doubt becomes delusional at times.

Oh and now I know where your old AVATAR comes from now... haha, funny how I actually like it now. At first when I saw it, I thought it was something from Seinfeld.

[Hulkamaniac]

I too think it was all in his head. Like how he killed the two men at his workplace then just walked right back in and went into work.


Huh?



Also, the cat thing made me think it was all a fantasy he wanted to live out also. There were hints throughout the movie like when he said I am into murder and execution and the model said something way different... it is like he was dreaming what he wanted to say but it was never what was really said and he was just bored with his life.

Maybe Paul Allen really was not dead... and the cop having the exact same CD along with placing him somewhere at the Time of Death was odd also, makes me think even more to the living out a fantasy way.

The more likely suggestion is that the vast majority of it is not in his head and in fact does happen, but he lives in a society that self-obsessed, so ignorant and so shallow, that he gets away with it all. This makes a much stronger statement as a social satire and things make more sense when looking at it this way.

[EdgeHead469]

Huh?

When he goes into his work place to call his lawyer he kills the guard and the jaintor. Then he walks right back in, he could have went into the other entrance easily, I guess.



The more likely suggestion is that the vast majority of it is not in his head and in fact does happen, but he lives in a society that self-obsessed, so ignorant and so shallow, that he gets away with it all. This makes a much stronger statement as a social satire and things make more sense when looking at it this way.

True, I could see that also looking back at the movie. I think either way would work well but I do like this idea of a self obsessed world and because of this he got away with murder.

As for the cop, played by Will Dafoe, I would have liked to see him past the lunch scene.

[Alf]

I'll have to watch it again, but the thought just occured to me that maybe the guy who he thinks is Paul Allen isn't actually Paul Allen... does he actually call him Paul Allen during the meal/excecution (apart from the HEY PAUL line obviously)?

[EdgeHead469]

I'll have to watch it again, but the thought just occured to me that maybe the guy who he thinks is Paul Allen isn't actually Paul Allen... does he actually call him Paul Allen during the meal/excecution (apart from the HEY PAUL line obviously)?

Good question?! If I do not go out tonight after work I am going to watch this film again and take in the little things. I will just save "Kingdom of Heaven" for tommorrow night or Monday morning.

[Ace Rockola]

I too think it was all in his head. Like how he killed the two men at his workplace then just walked right back in and went into work. Also, the cat thing made me think it was all a fantasy he wanted to live out also. There were hints throughout the movie like when he said I am into murder and execution and the model said something way different... it is like he was dreaming what he wanted to say but it was never what was really said and he was just bored with his life.

Maybe Paul Allen really was not dead... and the cop having the exact same CD along with placing him somewhere at the Time of Death was odd also, makes me think even more to the living out a fantasy way.

"Mergers and acquisitions" is what she said. Totally possible that she's either too stupid to have heard him right (she even asks if he thinks she's dumb), wasn't paying any attention to what he was saying or it was too loud to hear him clearly and just assumed.

[Hulkamaniac]

When he goes into his work place to call his lawyer he kills the guard and the jaintor. Then he walks right back in, he could have went into the other entrance easily, I guess.


He walked into the wrong office, killed those people, walked out and then walked into the right office.


"Mergers and acquisitions" is what she said. Totally possible that she's either too stupid to have heard him right (she even asks if he thinks she's dumb), wasn't paying any attention to what he was saying or it was too loud to hear him clearly and just assumed.

She didnt hear him correctly because she wasnt interested in his answer. She was merely looking for a way to get the conversation around to her.

[EdgeHead469]

Just rewatched this film and even better the second time. I agree with Mik's theory and I think it was Ace's thoery B, that he was living in a world that was just so uptight and selfish that no one cared to pay attention to what was going on.

Three things struck me though that were off, one being him going GTA on the cops and not a damn person noticing. Two being that the lawyer said he has lunch with Paul Allen but Paul was dead?!?!?! and three being that Will Dafoe never made another apperance after the lunch segment.

And if he buried bodies in the apartment and returned to clear them out but the place was up for sale... (when he went in and she asked him if he was her next appointment and she then said not to come back), what the hell happened to them?

[Morrison]

Just rewatched this film and even better the second time. I agree with Mik's theory and I think it was Ace's thoery B, that he was living in a world that was just so uptight and selfish that no one cared to pay attention to what was going on.

Three things struck me though that were off, one being him going GTA on the cops and not a damn person noticing. Two being that the lawyer said he has lunch with Paul Allen but Paul was dead?!?!?! and three being that Will Dafoe never made another apperance after the lunch segment.

And if he buried bodies in the apartment and returned to clear them out but the place was up for sale... (when he went in and she asked him if he was her next appointment and she then said not to come back), what the hell happened to them?

http://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=48229&highlight=american+psycho

That's to the thread on here specifically for American Psycho, where Jobber to the stars and locdog had a pretty lengthy and in-depth debate about the two theories concerning the realities within the film.

[Hulkamaniac]

And if he buried bodies in the apartment and returned to clear them out but the place was up for sale... (when he went in and she asked him if he was her next appointment and she then said not to come back), what the hell happened to them?

This is the one that I think makes it entirely clear. The woman who was selling out the apartment most likely cleared them up and said nothing about it because she was so concerned about the commision she would get from selling such a lucrative property.

The shoot out with the cops is likely when his imagination starts blurring with his homocidal tendancies.

[Pete Cash]

I think the the truth of it falls somewhere in the middle (lol like South Park)

Bateman probably killed a few people, but he certainly jazzed it up in his mind.

[EdgeHead469]

http://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=48229&highlight=american+psycho

That's to the thread on here specifically for American Psycho, where Jobber to the stars and locdog had a pretty lengthy and in-depth debate about the two theories concerning the realities within the film.

Thanks, that was a great thread debate and I agree with pretty much everything Mik said at the end of the thread and I know see how it is VERY clear that he just got away with it.

And also, I am very glad he did not kill his (real) girlfriend like I thought was coming the entire time.

On a side note: Being on the Christian Bale bandwagon like I have been here of late and pretty much since I saw "The Prestige" I can not wait for Public Enemies to release along with T3 but what I am really pumped about is Killing Pablo.

[Hulkamaniac]

I think the the truth of it falls somewhere in the middle (lol like South Park)

Bateman probably killed a few people, but he certainly jazzed it up in his mind.

Yeah.

[Murphy]

Saw American Gangster last night. Very good. Denzel Washington is just bloody good.

[EdgeHead469]

I just watched the remake of "The Hitcher" and wow, what a bad movie but there actually was one part I really liked just for entertainment purposes and a moment where I actually looked at my friend and said, "That was badass!"

That part being when they are running from the cops and The Hitcher pulls up in that convertible and straight goes GTA style on all the cops while the song "Closer" by Nine Inch Nails is playing. I really found that scene just fun and down right awesome.

[Hulkamaniac]

The Hitcher with Sean Bean?

[EdgeHead469]

The Hitcher with Sean Bean?

Yes!

[Beefy]

I am currently holding two tickets to see Back To The Future :hyper: at the Odeon in Southend two weeks tomorrow. And the tickets were free!

http://www.fourridgesmustbedestroyed.com/frijj-film-festival/

Yay.

[blackening]

Have you guys seen who the next person to be 'roasted' on Comedy Central is?

Bob Saget is to be roasted on Aug 17; hosted by John Stamos.

Seems pretty lame to me.

[Brian M.]

Actually it sounds pretty awesome. I hear there are some jokes about the Olsen twins that he was actually offended by. I did not think it was possible to offend Bob Saget.

[Ace Rockola]

Seeing as how he's a stand up, he might have actually met some of the people Comedy Central is going to use to roast him. I think a lot of their regulars are really funny (especially Artie Lange and Patton Oswalt) but isn't most the point that your friends are doing it?

[Brian M.]

Yeah, that used to be the point of a roast. Then Comedy Central did the roast of Pam Anderson and apparently the gimmick became D-list celebrities making jokes everyone else made 10 years ago.

I hate Jeffrey Ross.

[RockOverBoston]

Have you guys seen who the next person to be 'roasted' on Comedy Central is?

Bob Saget is to be roasted on Aug 17; hosted by John Stamos.

Seems pretty lame to me.

I'm guessing that you know Bob Saget solely as Danny Tanner from "Full House", then.

The fact of the matter is, the guy couldn't be anything less like that character.

This really oughtta be awesome.

[Jimmy Zero]

It should be, but it'll probably be a bunch of Saget/faggot jokes.

[RockOverBoston]

No, it'll probably be a bunch of jokes about how hugely offensive and poorly attended his standup act is, what an absolute farce Danny Tanner was and a whole lot of material about the Olsen Twins, or why he never got to drum for the Beach Boys/marry a supermodel/have Alanis Morrisette write a song about him/get hooked on meth, etc.

Saget/faggot jokes would be much more likely if he was being roasted by a bunch of 12 year olds.

[Morrison]

I hate Jeffrey Ross.

What? Jeff Ross is great.

[House of Pancakes]

It's hard to get excited about a Comedy Central roast when you've seen the roasts on Howard Stern.

[Jimmy Zero]

Saget/faggot jokes would be much more likely if he was being roasted by a bunch of 12 year olds.

I thought this was being done by Comedy Central.

[Ace Rockola]

It's hard to get excited about a Comedy Central roast when you've seen the roasts on Howard Stern.

It still kills me each time I hear that clip of Gilbert saying to Howard's parents, "I look at you, and I can't help but think, was the holocaust really THAT bad of an idea?"

[GeezaTap]

So i saw the new Mummy film last night (and rather sadly, i was in a packed screening).

What a complete and utter pile of wank. And that's coming from someone who enjoyed the first 2 movies.

Brendan Fraser gets the chance to smack Jet Li about at the end of the movie. Jet should have done some Seppoku or something to get out of that deal.

[son_of_foley]

They shouldve just recast the rock in Brendan Frasers role. Or Jason Stratham.

I saw the ginger bird from 70s show at UFC there last night and she was almost quite hot. Whatsupwitdat

[House of Pancakes]

It still kills me each time I hear that clip of Gilbert saying to Howard's parents, "I look at you, and I can't help but think, was the holocaust really THAT bad of an idea?"

"You're so washed up, parents now tell their kids to Colin Quinn before supper."

[Mr. Boombastic]

Have you guys seen who the next person to be 'roasted' on Comedy Central is?

Bob Saget is to be roasted on Aug 17; hosted by John Stamos.

This will be great. The Comedy Central Roast are pretty much always gold, although last years was kind of stupid with Flavor Flav. Does anybody know who the roasters are going to be, besides the obvious guys that always do it (ie: Jeffrey Ross, Greg Giraldo, Lisa Lampanelli, etc)?

[RockOverBoston]

It's hard to get excited about a Comedy Central roast when you've seen the roasts on Howard Stern.

Yeah, definitly can't argue that.

The Artie roast is pure comedic gold.

[Ace Rockola]

Speaking of Artie,

Howard Stern Sidekick Artie Lange Enters Rehab
Aug. 7, 2008, 3:04 PM EST
Zap2It.com

Comedian Artie Lange bypassed a chance to crack jokes in order to focus on more serious matters.

The Howard Stern sidekick checked into an "intensive" outpatient rehab program on Sunday, Aug. 3, instead of attending the Comedy Central roast for pal Bob Saget, confirms spokesperson Lewis Kay.

The comedian also canceled his stand-up shows over the weekend.

Lange, 40, has struggled with drugs, a drinking problem and his weight for a long time, even prompting fans to predict his early demise.

Lange had and on-air argument, which turned physical, with his personal assistant Teddy in April, resulting in his voluntary resignation from Stern's Sirius Satellite Radio show. He was allowed back to the show however with the warning that he'd be fired if another similar incident occurred.

The comedian plans to return to the show when it returns from hiatus later this month.

Lange is also one of the original cast members of "MADtv" and appeared on FX's "Rescue Me."

Hope he can finally kick all his problems. Dude is far too funny to die off.

[Cactus Lem]

When did you see Blade Runner though lads? Its hard to watch a futuristic film when you're in the future. They consider space-ship-cars to be just as important a technology as a computer that can zoom in on a picture of a video phone. It can drag you out of what is an incredible story.

Bit of a late reply to this I know, but I haven't read the thread in a while since I haven't been online all that much the last couple of weeks, but anyway.....

I completly agree with what your saying here Mik, and I wasn't at any point disputing Blade Runner's quality as a film. Basically I was using Blade Runner's use of technology and un-known and un-familiar futuristic location to back up my point on Ridley Scott trying to engage the audience early on in Alien via such elements, rather than using character and plot to do so.

I also watched Aliens last week, and will say that I thought it was a much better film that Alien. It was certainly more accecesable (as James Cameron almost always is) and I found it way easier to get into. More atmosphere, awareness and generally a more lively and better established initial stages helped the film a lot, as did the clear individuality put forth with the characters this time round.

[Hulkamaniac]

Thats fine mate, I've only just come back into the thread myself.

[Hulkamaniac]

Bought 'Son of Rambow' and 'In Bruges' today, might give them a try tomorrow.

Also, on a Viggo note, the new one-sheet for Appaloosa along with the trailer has been posted:

http://www.awardsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/appaloosa_sm.jpg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg3TaAPELkQ&eurl=http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=1218

Also, some pictures from The Road have been released and they are truly fucking excellent. Some of them could probably fit in the 'iconic pictures of the decade' thread and the film hasnt even been seen yet.

http://twitchfilm.net/site/images/entry_images/Road6.jpg

http://twitchfilm.net/site/images/entry_images/Road2.JPG

http://twitchfilm.net/site/images/entry_images/Road3.jpg

http://twitchfilm.net/site/entry-images/category/C169/

[Cactus Lem]

Watched Rescue Dawn last night, thought it was an incredible movie that totally surpassed my expectations. Always seen mixed reviews and mixed opinions all over the net, and have been waiting a while to finally make up my own mind, but y god did I love the film.

I've got to think it's been quite an unfortunate movie with its lack of press. Obviously Herzog isn't the most accessible or commercial director, but Rescue Dawn seemed like a real move away from such stereotypes, and came across as a genuine and very credible attempt at a more 'Hollywood' like movie. I remember reading it had trouble getting distribution in the UK, which is a great shame since more people need to see this movie.

Watching the film from a totally different perspective to your regular war fare interested me, and the whole POW situation made for something fresh and exciting. I really dug the 3 central characters prisoners involved in the POW situation, and the mixed emotions within the relationships of those characters was a joy to watch, as you really got into them during the extended scenes of playful and time passing dialogue in the camp, while you always sensed a tension and a difference of opinion as an underlying theme to the relationships.

Bale again was incredible though. His physical acting was a joy to watch, as he used his body to portray emotions of pain and hurt. It seemed to me that he was gradually loosing weight as the film went on. I'm not sure how exactly the movie was shot, but if it was done in sequence, or more or less in sequence, that's another testament to his willingness and dedication to his craft once again.

Not to dis-credit Steve Zahn and Jeremey Davies either, who both did an awesome job, Davies especially as a totally muddled and whacked out guy, who was confusing at times but retained a sense of his own morals, although he wasn't able to plaster these on to the rest of the prisoners.

Overall, just an awesome movie that I'm going to strongly recommend, as I feel it's so far gone largely un-noticed.

[Jimmy Zero]

Mainly for Mik, but anyone who's seen it can certainly chime in:

Mik, do you know anything about this movie called The Duellists? It's Ridley Scott's first movie and sound kind of cool, and it's got a really good cast in Harvey Keitel, Keith Carradine and Albert Finney. Ever seen it? It basically got him the directing job for Alien.

Kind of want to check it out, but not if it's crap.

[Ringo]

http://twitchfilm.net/site/images/entry_images/Road3.jpg

OMAAAAAAAAAAR COMIN'

Man I cannot fucking wait.

[Hulkamaniac]

Mainly for Mik, but anyone who's seen it can certainly chime in:

Mik, do you know anything about this movie called The Duellists? It's Ridley Scott's first movie and sound kind of cool, and it's got a really good cast in Harvey Keitel, Keith Carradine and Albert Finney. Ever seen it? It basically got him the directing job for Alien.

Kind of want to check it out, but not if it's crap.

Havent seen it mate, have heard good things about it though.

[KorruptJustice]

Due to just starting up my Netflix subscription and having way too much free time this past week, I've managed to see a bunch of films that have been on my list for ages but I've never had the chance to see before.

M - great movie, and really holds up well considering it's over 75 years old. Honestly, if I didn't know that it was made in 1931, I never would have guessed it was that old. Peter Lorre does a great job in this. I've only seen a handful of his films, but every role I've seen him in has just been amazing.

To Kill a Mockingbird - maybe it's just because I went into this film with such high expectations, due to how highly this movie is rated by most people, but I didn't really care for this movie too much. It wasn't a bad movie, by any means, but nothing really stood out about it to me.

Touch of Evil - Loved the opening shot and the ending sequence, but everything else was just kind of average to me. Orson Welles did a great job acting, but I've never been that big of a Charlton Heston fan, so I think that hurt the movie for me.

I have to leave now, so I'll post my thoughts about the other two, In the Heat of the Night and Children of Men, later.

[Hulkamaniac]

So dont ruin it by turning it into a mini 'review of the latest film I've seen' thread.



I still mean this.

[KorruptJustice]

Maybe you've seen an older movie for the first time, or just read a book that you want to share some thoughts on, again, bring it up here.

Sorry, just seemed like this was the right place to post it. :dunno: I'm pretty sure that making an individual thread for each of the movies wouldn't have been right.

I probably shouldn't have bothered to post when I was only half finished though, as they do come off sounding like mini-reviews, when I was just trying to give a few thoughts on the films. I'm actually really interested in other peoples opinions of the films I listed, especially To Kill a Mockingbird and Touch of Evil. I always see them so highly rated in most places, and I was wondering if it was a situation similar to Citizen Kane, where it is so highly rated because of what it accomplished for its time, but many movie fans don't care for the actual film itself? Are they films that take multiple viewings to fully grasp how good they are? I just really want to know if I was the only one who was underwhelmed the first time he saw either of those films.

[Morrison]

I'm not going to post this in the 'I Don't Get It...' thread, cause I do get why people love the films, but talk in the iconic images thread, plus watching going back and deciding to watch all three films over the last few days has finally gotten me to make a solid judgment on The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Don't really like it.

When it comes right down as to why, I'd say it's the story. Everything else about the films are great, but the whole idea of it all just fails to grab my interest as tightly as it does so many others. I only consider it epic, because it fits the definition of epic cinema, not because I feel it. I don't like the fantastical elements and they come off as contrived at times, and I've not managed to become invested in the journey or any of the characters on anything but a superficial level. The whole two and a half hours plus, I just find myself sitting and watching, and when the film ends, I don't experience that sense of accomplishment or overwhelming enjoyment that other films give me. And it honestly feels strange not to.

Now, with that said, I've yet to watch Return of the King, so maybe I'm being hasty in my judgment, since this final film gets a lot of praise, but I don't see it being remarkable enough where I'll be able to glaze over my impressions of the first two.

[Hulkamaniac]

Sorry, just seemed like this was the right place to post it. :dunno: I'm pretty sure that making an individual thread for each of the movies wouldn't have been right.

I probably shouldn't have bothered to post when I was only half finished though, as they do come off sounding like mini-reviews, when I was just trying to give a few thoughts on the films. I'm actually really interested in other peoples opinions of the films I listed, especially To Kill a Mockingbird and Touch of Evil. I always see them so highly rated in most places, and I was wondering if it was a situation similar to Citizen Kane, where it is so highly rated because of what it accomplished for its time, but many movie fans don't care for the actual film itself? Are they films that take multiple viewings to fully grasp how good they are? I just really want to know if I was the only one who was underwhelmed the first time he saw either of those films.

Yeah, fair enough.


I'm not going to post this in the 'I Don't Get It...' thread, cause I do get why people love the films, but talk in the iconic images thread, plus watching going back and deciding to watch all three films over the last few days has finally gotten me to make a solid judgment on The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Don't really like it.

When it comes right down as to why, I'd say it's the story. Everything else about the films are great, but the whole idea of it all just fails to grab my interest as tightly as it does so many others. I only consider it epic, because it fits the definition of epic cinema, not because I feel it. I don't like the fantastical elements and they come off as contrived at times, and I've not managed to become invested in the journey or any of the characters on anything but a superficial level. The whole two and a half hours plus, I just find myself sitting and watching, and when the film ends, I don't experience that sense of accomplishment or overwhelming enjoyment that other films give me. And it honestly feels strange not to.

Now, with that said, I've yet to watch Return of the King, so maybe I'm being hasty in my judgment, since this final film gets a lot of praise, but I don't see it being remarkable enough where I'll be able to glaze over my impressions of the first two.

Two things:

1). You dont like the fantastical elements...of a fantasy film? There's part of your problem there.

2). I genuinely think that its somewhat ridiculous that you've posted this before taking the 3 hours to watch the final film. It might not change your judgement at all, but you might as well have just watched it before coming here to talk about the trilogy.

[Morrison]

Yeah, fair enough.



Two things:

1). You dont like the fantastical elements...of a fantasy film? There's part of your problem there.

2). I genuinely think that its somewhat ridiculous that you've posted this before taking the 3 hours to watch the final film. It might not change your judgement at all, but you might as well have just watched it before coming here to talk about the trilogy.

Yeah, I tend not to like fantasy films. Same reasons I don't like Harry Potter. But beyond that, some of the elements just seem too convenient, like a sword that glows blue whenever Orcs are nearby or a giant eagle flying by so Gandalf can jump on it to escape.

And it's not really that ridiculous at all, posting my opinion of the films thus far, especially in a Ramble thread, where I can just come back and continue to ramble after finally watching the third.

[Beefy]

I agree with every word that Morrison has said. I, too, have yet to watch Return of the King. I will watch it one day and maybe I'll enjoy it but I doubt I'll enjoy it enough to enable me to forgive/forget the six tedious hours that went before it.

[Jimmy Zero]

Unfortunately, I have seen ROTK.

Beefy, it turns out there's a sum total of 9 tedious hours in the trilogy.

[Adamy]

I'm not going to post this in the 'I Don't Get It...' thread, cause I do get why people love the films, but talk in the iconic images thread, plus watching going back and deciding to watch all three films over the last few days has finally gotten me to make a solid judgment on The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Don't really like it.

When it comes right down as to why, I'd say it's the story. Everything else about the films are great, but the whole idea of it all just fails to grab my interest as tightly as it does so many others. I only consider it epic, because it fits the definition of epic cinema, not because I feel it. I don't like the fantastical elements and they come off as contrived at times, and I've not managed to become invested in the journey or any of the characters on anything but a superficial level. The whole two and a half hours plus, I just find myself sitting and watching, and when the film ends, I don't experience that sense of accomplishment or overwhelming enjoyment that other films give me. And it honestly feels strange not to.

This was exactly my opinion of the first movie... I didn't like the books either, so I never pursued the second one. I got coerced into seeing the third in theaters, and I didn't like it much either. That superficial "epic-ness" of it took me out of the movie as well.

[Hulkamaniac]

Yeah, I tend not to like fantasy films. Same reasons I don't like Harry Potter. But beyond that, some of the elements just seem too convenient, like a sword that glows blue whenever Orcs are nearby or a giant eagle flying by so Gandalf can jump on it to escape.

And it's not really that ridiculous at all, posting my opinion of the films thus far, especially in a Ramble thread, where I can just come back and continue to ramble after finally watching the third.

I'm sorry mate, but if you dont like fantasy films, then you shouldnt really be watching fantasy films and certainly shouldnt be expecting something other than the fantasy elements that are generic to watching fantasy films. That'd be like me watching an action film and then complaining about all the guns and explosions.

The stuff with the swords and the eagles isnt convenient, its steeped within the history of Middle Earth.

And it IS ridiculous to talk about not feeling a sense of achievement or accomplishment when nothing has been achieved or accomplished in the film because you've only watched two thirds of it. It would be like reading two thirds of a book and then saying that you dont like how it ended.


I agree with every word that Morrison has said. I, too, have yet to watch Return of the King. I will watch it one day and maybe I'll enjoy it but I doubt I'll enjoy it enough to enable me to forgive/forget the six tedious hours that went before it.

Not liking the films is fine, I have no problem whatsoever about people not liking them, thats just tastes. I would suggest that you at least finish the story though. It is, however, the nature of the complaints "I dont like the fantasy nature of these fantasy films, I dont like the resolution within these films that I havent seen end".


This was exactly my opinion of the first movie... I didn't like the books either, so I never pursued the second one. I got coerced into seeing the third in theaters, and I didn't like it much either. That superficial "epic-ness" of it took me out of the movie as well.

Superficial epic-ness? What absolute pretentious bullshit. How is a 10 hour series of films about the battle of good versus evil, taking in battles, huge wars, a possible apocalpyse and life against death anything BUT epic. Its not superficial just because you dont like it.

[Thirteen]

Alright, here's a question for people.

Is the best movie you've ever seen the same thing as your favorite movie?

I'm not talking actual movies, but I'm referring to the actual definition of "Favorite Movie" and "Best Movie." Are they one in the same, or can they differ?

[Adamy]

Superficial epic-ness? What absolute pretentious bullshit. How is a 10 hour series of films about the battle of good versus evil, taking in battles, huge wars, a possible apocalpyse and life against death anything BUT epic. Its not superficial just because you dont like it.

No, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It has all the qualifications of an "epic". In fact, I would imagine that Peter Jackson specifically studied "epics" (both film and classical literature) before making these movies. The problem I have is that it struck me as too studied... it didn't have the charm that a movie like Star Wars had.

[Adamy]

Alright, here's a question for people.

Is the best movie you've ever seen the same thing as your favorite movie?

I'm not talking actual movies, but I'm referring to the actual definition of "Favorite Movie" and "Best Movie." Are they one in the same, or can they differ?

I think what you're getting at is the difference between liking something and appreciating something.

One of my favorite movies of all time is Dumb and Dumber, but I would never consider it one of the best movies ever made. Similarly, there's tons of things I can appreciate about The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, but I'd only rate it like a 7/10 because the story and acting just aren't that interesting.

Then again, my all-time favorite movie is City of God, because there's a lot I like and a lot that I appreciate.

[Zen]

No, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It has all the qualifications of an "epic". In fact, I would imagine that Peter Jackson specifically studied "epics" (both film and classical literature) before making these movies. The problem I have is that it struck me as too studied... it didn't have the charm that a movie like Star Wars had.

Star Wars was shit. Epicly bad writing, bad acting..when the guy finds out Darth is his father you can almost do nothing but laugh, it's so awful. Yet you shouldn't.

That really is one movie, I dont get, and think I never will.

[cherry malotte]

Is the best movie you've ever seen the same thing as your favorite movie?

Not at all. It's interesting because I'm thinking of an article I read a couple of years ago about Citizen Kane and how it has held up, is it really the greatest flick of all time. I never thought I'd agree but I do now - it's surely one of the best flims of all time, but it's not my favorite. I love Wells, all the other actors, the screenplay, the cinematography, the editing...it's all there, everything clicks. But I have to wonder if it's just lip service anymore that puts it at the top of critics lists. I wish I could find that article, I'd post a link.

[Jimmy Zero]

Star Wars was shit. Epicly bad writing, bad acting..when the guy finds out Darth is his father you can almost do nothing but laugh, it's so awful. Yet you shouldn't.

That really is one movie, I dont get, and think I never will.

Sean Penn must have studied that scene for his big freakout in Mystic River.

[Morrison]

I'm sorry mate, but if you dont like fantasy films, then you shouldnt really be watching fantasy films and certainly shouldnt be expecting something other than the fantasy elements that are generic to watching fantasy films. That'd be like me watching an action film and then complaining about all the guns and explosions.

The stuff with the swords and the eagles isnt convenient, its steeped within the history of Middle Earth.

And it IS ridiculous to talk about not feeling a sense of achievement or accomplishment when nothing has been achieved or accomplished in the film because you've only watched two thirds of it. It would be like reading two thirds of a book and then saying that you dont like how it ended.


I'm watching them, giving them a chance, and forming an opinion on them, and then giving an explanation for why I dislike them here. There was always the chance that I would like them. I don't need you to explain anything to me. I know why I don't like them, I understand why other people do. You're not accomplishing anything here.

And unless you're read up on the history of Middle Earth, those kinds of things have the misfortunate of possibly coming off random and contrived. The films themselves didn't do a good enough job, as far as I'm concerned, of establishing those elements as historic.

I'm only bringing up points as to why I dislike the film. I'm not shitting on how the film was made, or that the story is awful or anything of that sort. I made a conscious decision to say that the story and certain points within the story were not for me. I watched them so I wasn't forming an opinion on general ignorance, and so I could back up why I might not of liked them with actual examples.

And it's really not ridiculous. I'm not looking at them all as one film, and I've done nothing but critique what I've watched so far. I haven't said a thing about how it ended, only that I don't know if it'll help turn my opinion any, which isn't even close to comment about the film itself. What I've done, is like coming in and leaving your impressions thus far on the book you're reading, which plenty of people have done, including yourself.

[Hulkamaniac]

No, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It has all the qualifications of an "epic". In fact, I would imagine that Peter Jackson specifically studied "epics" (both film and classical literature) before making these movies. The problem I have is that it struck me as too studied... it didn't have the charm that a movie like Star Wars had.

I'm sorry mate, but thats a load of absolute pretentious shit. 'Superficial epic-ness' is meaningless, its a desperate grasp of trying to come up with random justifications instead of simply saying 'its not for me'. Of course, that wouldnt be pseudo-intellectual enough for you, would it.


I'm watching them, giving them a chance, and forming an opinion on them, and then giving an explanation for why I dislike them here. There was always the chance that I would like them. I don't need you to explain anything to me. I know why I don't like them, I understand why other people do. You're not accomplishing anything here.

And unless you're read up on the history of Middle Earth, those kinds of things have the misfortunate of possibly coming off random and contrived. The films themselves didn't do a good enough job, as far as I'm concerned, of establishing those elements as historic.

I'm only bringing up points as to why I dislike the film. I'm not shitting on how the film was made, or that the story is awful or anything of that sort. I made a conscious decision to say that the story and certain points within the story were not for me. I watched them so I wasn't forming an opinion on general ignorance, and so I could back up why I might not of liked them with actual examples.

And it's really not ridiculous. I'm not looking at them all as one film, and I've done nothing but critique what I've watched so far. I haven't said a thing about how it ended, only that I don't know if it'll help turn my opinion any, which isn't even close to comment about the film itself. What I've done, is like coming in and leaving your impressions thus far on the book you're reading, which plenty of people have done, including yourself.


I dont know why you're getting your knickers in a twist here, I'm not TRYING to 'achieve' anything. My point is simple and I have only taken issue with a couple of your complaints (your overall claim that you do not like the film is your opinion and it is fine). The points that I have taken issue with are the following:

1). In a fantasy film, the definitive fantasy film, you have complained about 'the fantasy elements'.

2). You have complained about not getting a sense of achievement or accomplishment that you should get when finishing a film, because you havent finished the film. Now, you may not be considering them all one film, but the directors intention (which of course is all important) was that they were to be considered one film.

I'm not shitting on your opinion of the movie mate, so stop getting all protective of your views. I'm simply saying that these two complaints are your faults really. The first one because of your expectations (fantasy films contain fantasy), the second one because you simply havent finished the story and yet are complaining because you havent gotten the feeling you should get...when you finish the story.

[Morrison]

I dont know why you're getting your knickers in a twist here, I'm not TRYING to 'achieve' anything. My point is simple and I have only taken issue with a couple of your complaints (your overall claim that you do not like the film is your opinion and it is fine). The points that I have taken issue with are the following:

1). In a fantasy film, the definitive fantasy film, you have complained about 'the fantasy elements'.

2). You have complained about not getting a sense of achievement or accomplishment that you should get when finishing a film, because you havent finished the film. Now, you may not be considering them all one film, but the directors intention (which of course is all important) was that they were to be considered one film.

I'm not shitting on your opinion of the movie mate, so stop getting all protective of your views. I'm simply saying that these two complaints are your faults really. The first one because of your expectations (fantasy films contain fantasy), the second one because you simply havent finished the story and yet are complaining because you havent gotten the feeling you should get...when you finish the story.

It's not so much getting my panties in a bunch as it is I want to make sure we're on the same page and understood.

1. I've not complained about the fantasy elements outside of how they came off as laughably forced, which isn't a complaint so much about the fantasy genre, and more about the writing and the way they're utilized in the films. Stuff like Frodo being given the glowing sword, for instance, isn't really built up or given much reason, and you're left to just accept it as part of the mythology, and I'm just one of the people that can't take it as a given, because as I'm watching it, it doesn't feel like it's natural. It's also a fairly blatant use of foreshadowing, just like with all the talk about Aragorn and his personal battle with his bloodline, though this last one might be my mind tainted since I didn't watch the films as they were released, so it was fairly obvious he'd become king by the time I did.

I've said that it's not the type of story I'm able to get into, which from where I stand, doesn't register as a complaint, but as an explanation for why I don't like the films. I didn't go into the films expecting something else, I went into them despite the fantasy elements, because they've been praised by a lot of people whose opinions I admire when it comes to film, with yours being one of them.

2. I get what you're saying, but I don't work like that. I've gotten no real excitement from finishing any of these films, especially not enough where I'm looking forward to the next installment of the story. Just like a good book, I've gotten no sense of accomplishment or enjoyment from a chapter that pushes me into reading the next one immediately after. Maybe accomplishment isn't a good word to use here, but it fits with how I usually feel after films I've watched and liked; like I accomplished something worthwhile to myself. You've obviously got a different interpretation of what it feels to experience accomplishment after a film. I'm looking at these as stand alone films, and the story told within each film, despite only being a snippet of the overall tale, doesn't give me any fulfillment. You mean to tell me you didn't feel accomplished after reading one of the books? Didn't feel like the time you put into that single piece of work was worth it? Basically, my sense of accomplishment isn't clung to the consummation of the story, so you're taking issue with it isn't my fault, but yours, really.

[Pete Cash]

Lord of the Rings is absolute trash. Boring preachy garbage that isn't worth anyones time to read. The films are slightly more tolerable, but I can certainly understand someone not liking them.

[Rip]

Sort of agree, I re-read them a couple of years ago and they were nowhere near as good as I remembered, I read the Thomas Covenant series by Stephen Donaldson around the same time so I re-read them as well and I was suprised that they held up much better this time round :dunno:

[Alf]

I'm re-reading at the moment and it is as fantastic as it ever was.

I'm going to watch the films again this week, starting tonight. Woop!