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Jimmy Zero
May 11th, 2008, 12:11 PM
To be fair to Supes, that character bores the shit out of me to begin with. Kevin Spacy was fantastic in it. But the rest with Superman just being a creepy stalker was awful. Plus the annoying little kid with the super powers *cue the Mall Rats rant*.

Superman's always been a boring character. To care about the Superman character itself is to miss the appeal of the Superman "world". With Batman, it's about the characters. With Superman, it's about the mythology behind him. There's really very little internal conflict that goes on with Superman and his using his powers for good, and all that. Also, if you didn't dig the fuck out of that plane rescue scene there's no hope for you.

mth
May 11th, 2008, 12:55 PM
I liked Superman Returns a fair amount.

Guy
May 11th, 2008, 3:08 PM
It wasn't anything new or different though which is a shame...as the film has very little point or brings very little to the table.

I know it was supposed to pick up from and have the style of the Donner films...but it was just Superman 1 done over with a bigger budget and a cast too young for their respective parts (not to mention the lack of chemistry).

I didn't dislike it, I enjoy parts of it, I just think it was amazingly "Meh" for something that was made out to be an epic return.

Oh and Metropolis is/was far too "Dark", if that makes sense to anyone at all.

Jimmy Zero
May 11th, 2008, 3:13 PM
I saw it as just a general homage to Superman, as well as the first 2 films in the franchise. If Singer had been attempting to bring something new to the table, than I'd knock him for it but he wasn't really going for that.

At the same time, your criticism is definitely valid. Why make an homage when no one really cares and the target audience has never heard of Christopher Reeve, you know?

Beer-Belly
May 11th, 2008, 3:51 PM
No one wanted to see an homage, though.

They should have just adapted Grant Morrison's All Star Superman or something.

Also, I'll take Margot Kidder's crazy ass over Kate Bosworth's abysmal characterization of Lois Lane any day of the week. She sucked all of the catty playfulness right out of the character and replaced it with a dull archetype.

Guy
May 11th, 2008, 4:31 PM
I saw it as just a general homage to Superman, as well as the first 2 films in the franchise. If Singer had been attempting to bring something new to the table, than I'd knock him for it but he wasn't really going for that.

At the same time, your criticism is definitely valid. Why make an homage when no one really cares and the target audience has never heard of Christopher Reeve, you know?

Thing is, I love Supes 1 & 2 and was up for watching a homage.

When the opening credits burst onto the cinema screen I think I splooged a bit....but everything after that never replicated that feeling (though I'll admit the plane saving sequence scene was pretty cool and made me slightly giddy). The rest was Supes just stalking around Lois, it had no wonderment to it like the originals had. Everything was dark, the atmosphere, the mood of the characters, even the set lighting and costumes. Supes shoulda looked like this:

http://supermanfanart.com/artists/sebastian/superman-returns.jpg

It's such an odd film in a way, as I watched it yesterday with the missus, part of me wants to watch it again, the other part has just put Supes 1 in knowing full well everything will be less "impressive" in a sense. I honestly think it's faults lie in the mood/actor selection. Routh is too young and not as charismatic in the cape, and this isn't his fault at all, he tried his hardest to channel Reeves and well done too him for that. Bosworth was just a big fat let down as mentioned before, though the script didn't help, it had no spark for the girl, she was just to play a mourning pissed off ex.

I have no idea where I'm going with this, but it IS a ramble thread :yes:

Bad Obsession
May 11th, 2008, 7:55 PM
I've just watched The Mist and I have to say it's one of the best horror films in such a long time. I was expecting a really average experience but it totally hooked me and just got better and better.

I absolutely loved how grim and depressing it was. There was basically no hope for them all until the very final scene, and even then your focus is on the fact that poor dude has just shot 4 people - including his own son.
The mob nature of most of the people and how quickly they were willing to worship a false prophet in a time of crisis was also handled fantastically.

The film definitely benefited from the fact it didn't focus too much on gore and more just the suspense of what exactly was out there and also the portrayal of the panic. It felt very clostrophobic at times. The only horror film in recent memory I can think of that had a better atmosphere at times is 30 Days of Night.

My only complaints would be that the end is a little obvious (I figured as soon as he ran out of bullets there'd be a twist and he'd find an end to the mist) and that it happened too suddenly. Not exactly the time it took for the tanks and all to arrive or anything, just the fact that as soon as they did all of the mist cleared and it was suddenly a sunnyday.
Top film though. I really want to read the book now to see how it compares. :yes:

Ace Rockola
May 12th, 2008, 1:02 AM
You say 'the rest' as if any scene without Spacey was 'Superman being a creepy stalker.' Come on. It was a fun film

Maybe it was fun for you. To me it was overly long and boring. The rest wasn't the creepy stalker, you're right. It was the creepy stalker, an annoying kid, a pretty crap performance of Lois Lane, Singer sucking off Cyclops for jumping franchises by giving him more screen time than he had in the X-Men movies. Like I said before, outside of Kevin Spacey who I thought gave the perfect fun comic book movie performance it was just a chore to watch.

foleybumps
May 13th, 2008, 5:04 PM
Just saw the hype that is Juno.


Not that it was horrible or anything, but why has this movie been so frequently described to me as a "must see" and "classic"?

Everyone kept telling me how hysterical it is, and I really only personally found three parts were funny:

1) Cera saying "wizard" mid-sentence for no reason at all early on. I'm not even sure that's what he said, I'm just hoping.

2) The first time when Juno meets the adoptive parents and when talking about how bad being pregnant sucks, told Jennifer Garner "yeah, you're lucky it's not you"

3) When the dad says "tore up from the floor up." Mainly because I've never heard that expression before, and it was funny coming from him.

That's just the humor thing.

I really didn't get Bateman's character. You would expect someone with the personality traits Garner describes him having to be a little more wild.

Did he want to fuck Juno, or not?. Resolve this for me someone. If he's not, why is that scene in there?

Also, people always put characters that talk the way Juno does in their "intelligent comedies" and the only one I can say I've ever enjoyed is Jason Lee in Mallrats.

Again, not horrible, just don't understand all of the love. Any thoughts?

Ace Rockola
May 13th, 2008, 5:19 PM
Just saw the hype that is Juno.

Not that it was horrible or anything, but why has this movie been so frequently described to me as a "must see" and "classic"?

Everyone kept telling me how hysterical it is, and I really only personally found three parts were funny:

1) Cera saying "wizard" mid-sentence for no reason at all early on. I'm not even sure that's what he said, I'm just hoping.

2) The first time when Juno meets the adoptive parents and when talking about how bad being pregnant sucks, told Jennifer Garner "yeah you're lucky it's not you"

3) When the dad says "tore up from the floor up." Mainly because I've never heard that expression before, and it was funny coming from him.

That's just the humor thing.

I really didn't get Bateman's character. You would expect someone with the personality traits Garner describes him having to be a little more wild.

Did he want to fuck Juno, or not?. Resolve this for me someone. If he's not, why is that scene in there?

Also, people always put characters that talk the way Juno does in their "intelligent comedies" and the only one I can say I've ever enjoyed is Jason Lee in Mallrats.

Again, not horrible, just don't understand all of the love. Any thoughts?

Well, if you go in there looking for a straight up comedy you should be let down. It's in the dramady pile. Just as much stuff trying to tug your heart strings and tickling your funny bone.

As far as Bateman goes, I don't think it was a lustful thing, it was more that he really liked the type of attention he was getting from her. Someone who shared all his intrests and he could debate stuff he cared about with her. Even if they disagreed on musical taste, I doubt he'd get the same passionate debate from Garner's character.

I know that doesn't really answer it, but might help you come to your own conclusion.

foleybumps
May 13th, 2008, 5:32 PM
Rock on.

I swear everyone was telling me how funny it was, so I definately thought it was supposed to be laughs throughout.

The blatantly premeditated way some of the characters talked still bugs the shit out of me.


Bateman's presence was so uneasy and made me feel awkward throughout the movie. And being in here makes me pretty quick-triggered in thinking someone's a pedo. The dancing scene would still be viewed as inappropriate from every single person in the movie to a t, except possibly the classmate who likes the teachers.

Shit, I should be spoiler tagging these.

Guy
May 13th, 2008, 5:48 PM
Ace, you ruined a spoiler in your previous post

The Doc
May 13th, 2008, 5:52 PM
I've just watched The Mist and I have to say it's one of the best horror films in such a long time. I was expecting a really average experience but it totally hooked me and just got better and better.

I absolutely loved how grim and depressing it was. There was basically no hope for them all until the very final scene, and even then your focus is on the fact that poor dude has just shot 4 people - including his own son.
The mob nature of most of the people and how quickly they were willing to worship a false prophet in a time of crisis was also handled fantastically.

The film definitely benefited from the fact it didn't focus too much on gore and more just the suspense of what exactly was out there and also the portrayal of the panic. It felt very clostrophobic at times. The only horror film in recent memory I can think of that had a better atmosphere at times is 30 Days of Night.

My only complaints would be that the end is a little obvious (I figured as soon as he ran out of bullets there'd be a twist and he'd find an end to the mist) and that it happened too suddenly. Not exactly the time it took for the tanks and all to arrive or anything, just the fact that as soon as they did all of the mist cleared and it was suddenly a sunnyday.
Top film though. I really want to read the book now to see how it compares. :yes:

My advise is don't bother, if you insist on reading it pick up Skeleton Crew since you'll get a few other books with it (and you can likely get it cheap at your local used book store)

I spoilered the only MAJOR difference.

The book is pretty much just like the movie other than it ends five minutes earlier. So if you want the same experience turn it off when that giant son bitch walks overhead

Mills
May 13th, 2008, 8:16 PM
They should have just adapted Grant Morrison's All Star Superman or something.



It's hard to base a movie off of something that hadn't happened yet.

Bad Obsession
May 14th, 2008, 4:47 AM
My advise is don't bother, if you insist on reading it pick up Skeleton Crew since you'll get a few other books with it (and you can likely get it cheap at your local used book store)

I spoilered the only MAJOR difference.

The book is pretty much just like the movie other than it ends five minutes earlier. So if you want the same experience turn it off when that giant son bitch walks overhead
Ah fair enough. I didn't think it would have been that true to the source material.

To be honest, the ending to the film is way better in that case.

Hobbit
May 16th, 2008, 10:07 AM
I watched REC last night, that Spanish horror film which is basically the Blair Witch Project in an apartment building with some bastard of a virus on the loose. It was class.

I find that in horror films the acting tends to be awful, but I was really impressed with it in REC and found myself sweating a bit from my palms as I watched, which is down to the sense of panic and desperation the characters put across. Granted it's not Lost so we don't get 9 seasons of backstory on each person but in general their behaviour seemed realistic which in turn made it scarier and thus more enjoyable. Apart from one part where...(only read this spoiler if you've seen it, although it's not an enormous spoiler, but a spoiler regarding a minor character's fate)

the health officer tells Manu he's been bitten and locks himself away, moments later Manu is arguing with that man who lived with his mother before she died and the man is standing right in front of the gate, easily vulnerable to the health officer's zombie breaking through and getting him, then of course the health officer breaks through and gets him whilst Manu talks to him :lol:

The ending was alright too, again reminiscent of the Blair Witch in a way and I hear they're filming a sequel which is due out in October, so quite how they pick it up and carry on I'm not sure but I have faith it'll be brilliant again.

Slightly bad news is that it's being shock horror remade by the yanks :no: Debbie from Dexter as the reporter though and she's a great actress but it'll probably be shitto.

Check it out if you can, I preferred it to the Blair Witch and recommend it to anyone who likes a good scare :beer:

Hulkamaniac
May 16th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Bought some new DVDs and hit a new milestone:

Superbad
Knocked Up
Michael Clayton
Into the Wild
X-Men
The Darjeeling Limited
The Notebook
Zodiac

And that brought with it my 350th DVD.

Cactus Lem
May 16th, 2008, 12:33 PM
Bought some new DVDs and hit a new milestone:

Knocked Up
Michael Clayton
Into the Wild
The Darjeeling Limited
Zodiac

And that brought with it my 350th DVD.

I intend on purchasing all of those once they are down in price. Into The Wild looks like and sounds like a beautiful little film.

Hobbit
May 16th, 2008, 1:02 PM
It is pretty good yeah, Emile Hirsch is fantastic in it. Seemed to go on for about 7 hours though.

PurePlayer
May 16th, 2008, 1:24 PM
I actually signed up for NetFlix the other day and made a list of critically acclaimed movies that I never saw before. I already saw LA Confidential which was a fantastic movie. Next on the list is the Shawshank Redemption followed by the Deer Hunter and Sleepers.

Vice
May 16th, 2008, 1:27 PM
Shawshank is superb. Haven't seen Sleepers or The Deer Hunter, though. Deer Hunter is on my computer though, along with a bazillion other movies I haven't gotten around to watching though.. so I'll see it in due time.

Cactus Lem
May 16th, 2008, 1:37 PM
Shawshank is superb. Haven't seen Sleepers or The Deer Hunter, though. Deer Hunter is on my computer though, along with a bazillion other movies I haven't gotten around to watching though.. so I'll see it in due time.

The Deer Hunter is amazing. Be paitent though, plenty of people I've come across claim it's boring, and don't bother watching much past the first hour. Go into it expecting a slow but interesting first hour, watch it kind of closely as well. The expcet an amazing last two hours, making you realize why the first hour was in place, and exactly what it does for the movie in the way of character development and for the underlying plot of friendship.

Bad Obsession
May 16th, 2008, 2:14 PM
I watched REC last night, that Spanish horror film which is basically the Blair Witch Project in an apartment building with some bastard of a virus on the loose. It was class.

I find that in horror films the acting tends to be awful, but I was really impressed with it in REC and found myself sweating a bit from my palms as I watched, which is down to the sense of panic and desperation the characters put across. Granted it's not Lost so we don't get 9 seasons of backstory on each person but in general their behaviour seemed realistic which in turn made it scarier and thus more enjoyable. Apart from one part where...(only read this spoiler if you've seen it, although it's not an enormous spoiler, but a spoiler regarding a minor character's fate)

the health officer tells Manu he's been bitten and locks himself away, moments later Manu is arguing with that man who lived with his mother before she died and the man is standing right in front of the gate, easily vulnerable to the health officer's zombie breaking through and getting him, then of course the health officer breaks through and gets him whilst Manu talks to him :lol:

The ending was alright too, again reminiscent of the Blair Witch in a way and I hear they're filming a sequel which is due out in October, so quite how they pick it up and carry on I'm not sure but I have faith it'll be brilliant again.

Slightly bad news is that it's being shock horror remade by the yanks :no: Debbie from Dexter as the reporter though and she's a great actress but it'll probably be shitto.

Check it out if you can, I preferred it to the Blair Witch and recommend it to anyone who likes a good scare :beer:
I'm downloading it now. After how shit Diary of the Dead was I hope it's as good as you say.

Hobbit
May 16th, 2008, 3:02 PM
ahahaha, Diary of the Dead is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Abysmal.

N.E.R.F.
May 16th, 2008, 3:09 PM
AVP2 is pretty cool. Not on a par with any Alien but better than predator 2 and MILES better than the first AVP. Yes.

Bad Obsession
May 16th, 2008, 3:43 PM
ahahaha, Diary of the Dead is one of the worst films I've ever seen. Abysmal.
Definitely. I posted in the actual thread about the film how it made me want those 90 minutes back something awful.

[REC] was really good. I felt that it started off a bit slow but as soon as the medical inspector came in the shit hit the fan and it got really tense from that point on. It basically did everything right that Diary of the Dead didn't - it captured the panic of being in a scenario like that and also had lots of freaky people sticking their face right into the camera. That's all that Diary of the Dead needed to have but hey, Romero would rather be a pretentious twat. You were right about the performances too, quite a few of the characters really stood out and got my adrenaline pumping. Angela screaming her lungs out most of the time surprisingly added to it greatly and didn't get annoying.

The last ten minutes were scary as fuck. I felt it was a bit obvious that whoever was in the penthouse would have something to do it, I thought as much when the doctor said it had been sealed shut, but I was just expecting there to be another crazy in there. The whole thing of the Vatican trying to get somebody to 'cast the evil out' of the kid was quite a nice twist, I thought. Once it went into night vision it was edge-of-your-seat stuff. I wasn't particulary annoyed by her just being dragged away at the end... I can't think of a better way to end it from that situation.
Don't see the point in a US remake at all. People shouldn't be so stupid and just go to it and read the subtitles. I understand why they're doing it because it probably wouldn't be that much of a success, but still, it's rather pathetic that the majority of people have no time for foreign films simply as they aren't in English. :rolleyes:

I just read about the sequel on IMDB, too. Colour me interested. If the virus had spread to the whole city or something that would be a cool way to do it.

The Doc
May 16th, 2008, 4:03 PM
AVP2 is pretty cool. Not on a par with any Alien but better than predator 2 and MILES better than the first AVP. Yes.

AVP2>Alien Resserection

Also it's amazing how much better a a movie about alien predators and alien hunters works with an R rating isn't it? And somehow the sequel of this film you know made more sense than the original, usuall thats the opposite in plots.

Hulkamaniac
May 16th, 2008, 6:12 PM
The Deer Hunter is amazing. Be paitent though, plenty of people I've come across claim it's boring, and don't bother watching much past the first hour. Go into it expecting a slow but interesting first hour, watch it kind of closely as well. The expcet an amazing last two hours, making you realize why the first hour was in place, and exactly what it does for the movie in the way of character development and for the underlying plot of friendship.

I'd agree with that assessment.

PurePlayer
May 16th, 2008, 6:24 PM
Yeah, I looked at the runtime of that movie, and I expected something along those lines.

Jimmy Zero
May 16th, 2008, 6:40 PM
AVP2 is pretty cool. Not on a par with any Alien but better than predator 2 and MILES better than the first AVP. Yes.

You must have made a typo, because I seem to be looking at a post claiming AVP2 was better than Predator 2.

Hobbit
May 16th, 2008, 6:54 PM
I assumed NERF was telling a funny.

However AVP2 does have Reiko Aylesworth aka Michelle Dessler from 24 in it :yes:

N.E.R.F.
May 17th, 2008, 9:02 AM
Predator 2 isn't great at all. Watched it again the other day and was really really disappointed.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 10:32 AM
No one said it was great. It's not as bad as people make it out to be though. People act like the first Predator is some sort of cinematic masterpiece of action and violence and it's not. It's a borderline unwatchable movie until after they kill the guerillas and realize that something is tracking them, then it becomes fucking awesome.

Predator 2 is cool, that's all. It's not a great movie by any stretch and it lacks the cookie cutter action archetypes that you had in the first one. That and I don't think Danny Glover was a good choice for the main dude are the biggest knocks I have for Predator 2. Well, also they got bogged down in trying to make the setting all hip and urban, and considering it was like 1992, hip and urban translates in to drug dealing Jamaicans, apparently.

N.E.R.F.
May 17th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Yeah, and AVP2 is better.

RockOverBoston
May 17th, 2008, 11:15 AM
The Deer Hunter is amazing. Be paitent though, plenty of people I've come across claim it's boring, and don't bother watching much past the first hour. Go into it expecting a slow but interesting first hour, watch it kind of closely as well. The expcet an amazing last two hours, making you realize why the first hour was in place, and exactly what it does for the movie in the way of character development and for the underlying plot of friendship.

Mik's already seconded this, and it's a really good insight into the film as a whole, so consider this thirded.

What a fantastic movie.

House of Pancakes
May 17th, 2008, 11:33 AM
It's been awhile since I saw Deer Hunter. I remember loving it, but thinking it needed an editor to trim it down. I remember the wedding scene being far too long for my liking. Maybe I'll pop it in again.

RockOverBoston
May 17th, 2008, 11:35 AM
The wedding scene is too long, to be completely honest.

Ringo
May 17th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Just ordered four DVDs.

The Death of Mr. Lazarescu - 7.99
Amores Perros - 5.99
4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days - 11.99
The Squid & The Whale - 4.99

The first two I've seen before. The Death Of Mr. Lazarescu is a Romanian film I saw on FilmFour earlier this month. It's gorgeous. I'm sure there a fair few who are familiar with Amores Perros, but if you're not, do so because it really is spectacular.

The third and fourth I'm not really sure what to expect. They're both highly rated, especially 4 Months, another Romanian film with a 97 score on metacritic, making it the highest rated film of the 2000s. Anyway, some pretty good deals and I'm looking forward to watching the second two.

Cactus Lem
May 17th, 2008, 2:46 PM
The Squid & The Whale - 4.99


I'd never heard of that until I saw omeone mention it in the Top 20 of the Noughties thread a few months back. I now keep seeing its name pop everywhere, and it's gotten me interested.

Also, was reading quite a bit about Gone Baby Gone today during my lunch at work, I'm actually pretty hyped up for it, everything I've heard so far just sounds brilliant, and after watching and loving Mystic River recently, with all the comparisons going around, I can't wait to see it now.

PurePlayer
May 17th, 2008, 3:57 PM
Just got done with the Shawshank Redemption. Awesome fucking movie. I can't believe it took me this long to see. I would have to rate it number 3 on my favorite movie list behind the Godfather and Godfather Part II. The Deer Hunter is next on the list which I should watch by Wednesday and Sleepers is right after that.

RockOverBoston
May 17th, 2008, 4:18 PM
I'd never heard of that until I saw omeone mention it in the Top 20 of the Noughties thread a few months back. I now keep seeing its name pop everywhere, and it's gotten me interested.

While I think that placing it in a list of the top 20 movies of the decade might be a bit much, it's very definitly a pretty good little flick.

Certainly worth 5 pounds, anyway.

And in what parallel universe does "Sleepers" rate anywhere near "Shawshank", much less "The Deer Hunter", anyway?

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 4:52 PM
Yeah, and AVP2 is better.

Wow, so you think AVP2 is a great movie, huh? Good to know.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 4:54 PM
While I think that placing it in a list of the top 20 movies of the decade might be a bit much, it's very definitly a pretty good little flick.

Certainly worth 5 pounds, anyway.

And in what parallel universe does "Sleepers" rate anywhere near "Shawshank", much less "The Deer Hunter", anyway?

In the same universe where Shawshank is considered anything more than somewhat decent. There's a movie I've NEVER understood all the love for. It's alright, but people act like it's something special.

Bad Obsession
May 17th, 2008, 4:59 PM
You really don't see it? It's one of the most tragic, beautiful and inspiring films I've ever seen. The friendship that Andy and Red build, along with a few other inmates and the corrupt governer makes it compelling throughout.

I guess maybe if you went into it knowing the hype it might not have quite the same impact but I caught it on TV late one night and just got blown away. There are so many iconic moments in there.

It's not my favourite film but it's worthy of being mentioned with the greats.

Ringo
May 17th, 2008, 5:03 PM
Excellent performances all round. Spectacular storyline. Amazing ending. Makes you smile. Makes you cry. Superb soundtrack as well.

So many truly memorable and classic scenes as well.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 5:08 PM
I saw it back in the day when it first came out. I'd read the Steven King novella already, and I think that might be part of it. I always thought it was a fairly weak adaptation, but to be fair I haven't read the thing in probably close to 12 years or seen the movie in at least five or six.

However, I thought most of the characterizations were fairly cookie cutter and the movie is pretty pretentious overall.

I see nothing in that movie that makes it iconic or worthy of being placed with the greats. Unless by "greats" we're talking overrated shit like The English Patient and Saving Private Ryan (not shit, but I find it to be painfully overrated).

If we're talking non horror Steven King adaptations it starts and stops with Stand By Me.

PurePlayer
May 17th, 2008, 5:14 PM
And in what parallel universe does "Sleepers" rate anywhere near "Shawshank", much less "The Deer Hunter", anyway?

I never said it did. I was just saying it was next on the list of movies I am going to watch. Shawshank was a simply amazing film and deserves it's number 2 spot on the imdb top 250 list even though the list itself isn't credible. I can't wait to watch the Deer Hunter.

Ringo
May 17th, 2008, 5:17 PM
It's "credible" in that it's a list compiled from the votes of thousands of movie fans. Nothing especially wrong with that.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 5:20 PM
It's "credible" in that it's a list compiled from the votes of thousands of movie fans. Nothing especially wrong with that.

I definitely agree with that. It's just as legitimate, if not moreso, a list as the AFI top 100. At least with the viewer created list, you're going to have a far more likely chance to enjoy the film you watch.

Who in the fuck is going to throw on Birth of a Nation or the Jazz Singer for shits and giggles?

PurePlayer
May 17th, 2008, 5:22 PM
It is credible is some ways, but when American History X is number 39 on that list? I liked the movie but is it the 39th best movie out there? Does it even deserve a spot in the best 250 movies ever created? There are countless other movies that are ranked insanely too high on that list. There are movies like Kill Bill, The Bourne Ultimatum, and The Shining (all good movies) ranked above movies like Heat, Platoon, The Deer Hunter, etc.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 5:25 PM
Yeah, but you're referencing a list that has fucking Shawshank as the number 2 movie all time. I don't care how much you like that movie, it's not top 25 all time, let alone top 10, let alone top 5.

That list is basically just 250 movies most people like. Most of them probably aren't even good.

Ringo
May 17th, 2008, 5:25 PM
Just because you disagree with many of the inclusions (just as I do), it doesn't make it any less "credible".

Shawshank Redemption is widely considered to be one of the best movies ever made, so it's not as if it doesn't reflect what it is supposed to reflect.

I don't really get that list though. Why isn't Trois Coleurs: Rouge on the list when it's got a score of 8.1 from 17,000 votes?

PurePlayer
May 17th, 2008, 5:27 PM
It kind of does, because amount of votes are factored in. Should a movie be ranked lower or higher because less people have seen it? I understand what your saying but no way should Kill fucking Bill be ranked higher then the movies I have listed.

Bad Obsession
May 17th, 2008, 5:29 PM
It is credible is some ways, but when American History X is number 39 on that list? I liked the movie but is it the 39th best movie out there? Does it even deserve a spot in the best 250 movies ever created? There are countless other movies that are ranked insanely too high on that list. There are movies like Kill Bill, The Bourne Ultimatum, and The Shining (all good movies) ranked above movies like Heat, Platoon, The Deer Hunter, etc.
God bless you for loving Heat so much.

Sometimes I feel lonely in the Heat love. :( Has to be one of my favourite films of all time. I almost don't want to watch that new film that De Niro and Pacino are doing together because I don't think it can compare. Plus it has 50 Cent in it. :p

Ringo
May 17th, 2008, 5:31 PM
It kind of does, because amount of votes are factored in. Should a movie be ranked lower because less people have seen it? I understand what your saying but no way should Kill fucking Bill be ranked higher then the movies I have listed.

Of course they should. That's how the list works.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 5:34 PM
Just because you disagree with many of the inclusions (just as I do), it doesn't make it any less "credible".

Shawshank Redemption is widely considered to be one of the best movies ever made, so it's not as if it doesn't reflect what it is supposed to reflect.

Yeah, but it comes down to how you view that list. If it's the top 250 movies (in no particular order) the average guy/girl will enjoy, than it's a pretty good list. Like I said, it's just as credible as any of these other gay lists, but it has to be taken with more of a grain of salt than something like the AFI 100.

Also, I've seriously never heard anyone ever consider Shawshank to be one of the best movies ever made, nor have I read anything arguing such a claim. It's a decent movie, but it's not one of the best movies ever made.

Ringo
May 17th, 2008, 5:36 PM
Yeah, but it comes down to how you view that list. If it's the top 250 movies (in no particular order) the average guy/girl will enjoy, than it's a pretty good list. Like I said, it's just as credible as any of these other gay lists, but it has to be taken with more of a grain of salt than something like the AFI 100.

Well sure. That's really all a list like that can be though.


Also, I've seriously never heard anyone ever consider Shawshank to be one of the best movies ever made, nor have I read anything arguing such a claim. It's a decent movie, but it's not one of the best movies ever made.

I've seen/read/heard countless "greatest movies of all time" lists, and Shawshank is almost always in the top 10.

PurePlayer
May 17th, 2008, 5:36 PM
You should check back to the polls on here that were created from the top 250 list. Shawshank made it pretty far.


Originally Posted by Ringo
I've seen/read/heard countless "greatest movies of all time" lists, and Shawshank is almost always in the top 10.

A lot of the lists I have seen even have it listed in the top 5.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 5:39 PM
Ok, let me re-phrase, I've never heard anyone over the age of 30 make that claim (that's not meant to be insulting, even though it sort of sounds that way).

I'll go back and re-watch it with an open mind.

Ringo
May 17th, 2008, 5:39 PM
In 1999, film critic Roger Ebert listed Shawshank on his "Great Movies" list,[6] and in reader polls by the film magazine Empire, the film ranked fifth in 2004 and first in 2006 on the lists for greatest movie of all time.[7][8]

The Shawshank Redemption currently holds the #2 spot on the IMDB Top 250. It ranks second only to The Godfather.

In 2002, The Shawshank Redemption was voted the third greatest film ever made in Channel 4's 100 Greatest Film Poll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Films_that_have_been_considered_the_greatest_ever


The Shawshank Redemption is the highest rated film on Yahoo! Movies by Yahoo! users and is listed second on the highest rated film list on the IMDb. It was voted the best film never to have won Best Picture in a 2005 BBC poll.[10] In January 2006 Empire magazine readers named it the best film ever.

Just a few examples.

Not that I agree, by the way.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 5:40 PM
Well sure. That's really all a list like that can be though.

Which is why using them to make the claim that Shawshank is one of the best movies ever is pointless.;)

Well, shit. It must be me, then. I'll re-watch the god damn thing because this is not the first time I've had this discussion with people.

PurePlayer
May 17th, 2008, 6:59 PM
In a way the movie reminded me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest which is another movie that I loved. I might sound stupid saying that. Jimmy, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on OFOTCN.

House of Pancakes
May 17th, 2008, 7:04 PM
I have not seen Shawshank. I just have never been too interested in it. Because I have not seen it, I cannot argue about whether or not it is one of the best movies ever made.

I can, however, argue that most people haven't seen a whole lot of movies, and I wouldn't pit the opinion of the general consensus as the opinions of expertise.

The_Mike
May 17th, 2008, 9:19 PM
In a way the movie reminded me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest which is another movie that I loved. I might sound stupid saying that. Jimmy, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on OFOTCN.

I loved that film myself. I've only seen it once so I couldn't go in-depth but it really stood out to me and wasn't one of those things that was so hyped for so long that by the time I got around to it I was fed up hearing about it anyway and it couldn't measure up. I don't know why anyone would sound stupid saying they loved it, though, I always thought it was highly lauded.

Jimmy Zero
May 17th, 2008, 9:27 PM
In a way the movie reminded me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest which is another movie that I loved. I might sound stupid saying that. Jimmy, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on OFOTCN.

I'm not trying to say you're stupid because you liked Shawshank. It's not bad, I just don't like it at all.

I like Cuckoo's Nest. Judging just as a movie, it's great. All the acting is fantastic and all that good stuff. I like the book better, but it's a hard one to adapt to the screen on account of its narration. I don't know why anyone would feel stupid for liking it. Or Shawshank, for that matter.

Vice
May 18th, 2008, 1:35 AM
I don't really get that list though. Why isn't Trois Coleurs: Rouge on the list when it's got a score of 8.1 from 17,000 votes?


I believe the top 250 list only factors in regular voters (or their votes weigh more at the very least), and not casual/newbie votes. Which is why some movies will have a high rating, but won't crack the list because of the regular voting turnout. Or if you factor in the regular votes only, it might be a 7.9 or something. You never know. There are a lot of movies that have different ratings between their standard rating and top 250 rating.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 5:37 AM
There are movies like Kill Bill, The Bourne Ultimatum, and The Shining (all good movies) ranked above movies like Heat, Platoon, The Deer Hunter, etc.

The Shining is better than Heat and Platoon though, and probably better than The Deer Hunter. Those are four movies that I love, they'd all make into a top 50 of all time if I ever made one I'm sure, but The Shining is probably the best of the bunch if you ask me. Dunno why you grouped it in with those other movies.


Ok, let me re-phrase, I've never heard anyone over the age of 30 make that claim (that's not meant to be insulting, even though it sort of sounds that way).

I'll go back and re-watch it with an open mind.

Shawshank is my Mum and Dad's favourite film, and I also know p;enty of others over the age of 30 who love it. I'm surprised by the lack of praise you've seen it recieve Jimmy, I've never actually seen it, but anyone I tell that I haven't seen it is usually like "YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SHAWSHANK!? WHY? IT'S AMAZING! WATCH IT!"

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 8:00 AM
The Shining is fucking dross.

I've ranted at length about it before, it's really not worth my time to say anything except it was shite.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 8:01 AM
Wow, so you think AVP2 is a great movie, huh? Good to know.

Words I didn't say. Nice one.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 8:08 AM
I believe the top 250 list only factors in regular voters (or their votes weigh more at the very least), and not casual/newbie votes. Which is why some movies will have a high rating, but won't crack the list because of the regular voting turnout. Or if you factor in the regular votes only, it might be a 7.9 or something. You never know. There are a lot of movies that have different ratings between their standard rating and top 250 rating.

Hmmm.. I do find that hard to believe though since the Trois Couleurs trilogy isn't likely to have been seen by the usual "casual newbies" but rather the keener and more knowledgeable film watchers,

Hobbit
May 18th, 2008, 8:15 AM
The Shining is fucking dross.

I've ranted at length about it before, it's really not worth my time to say anything except it was shite.

Yeah I certainly wasn't hugely impressed with it first time I watched it. The way it's always jizzed over as being a masterpiece is ridiculous I think, it's just a bit weird and to be honest really not overly scary :\

Jack's great in it of course, as usual, but it's a very overrated film. Maybe the book's better.

I thought The Deer Hunter was a bit bollocks at times as well, the first hour or so nothing happens really. I did like it though and have it sitting nicely in my DVD collection.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 8:41 AM
The Shining is fucking dross.

I've ranted at length about it before, it's really not worth my time to say anything except it was shite.

Please rant about it. I'd like to hear why you think the greatest and possibly most intelligent horror film of all time is shit.


Yeah I certainly wasn't hugely impressed with it first time I watched it. The way it's always jizzed over as being a masterpiece is ridiculous I think, it's just a bit weird and to be honest really not overly scary :\

Jack's great in it of course, as usual, but it's a very overrated film. Maybe the book's better.

I thought The Deer Hunter was a bit bollocks at times as well, the first hour or so nothing happens really. I did like it though and have it sitting nicely in my DVD collection.

Can I just ask what do you generally look for when you're watching horror?

Personally I'm not a fan of the genre, The Shining is one of very few Horror films I like, and I think it's easily the best of the bunch.

Kubricks attention to detail is just amazing. There are so many subtle touches that really hit you and make the sense of loneliness within the hotel hit you that much more.

For a start, think about just how quiet the hotel is, and how every little bit of sound is increased and really heard, showing that there just isn't anything going on in the hotel, increasing the sense of emptiness of the location, showing that the family really are stranded in the middle of nowhere.

Then take into account the actual location and how well Kubrick establishes the location, both exterior and interior right from the begining. You have the over heard panning and jerking across the river and mountains to open the film showing the wide depth and deslote nature of the exterior, and then when it comes to the interior, I think he manages to do an amazing job with the hotel. I think the main room in which Jack writes in is brilliant, totally open and wide, showing that there isn't anywhere to escape to within the room. I also like the way the little kid is shot on his tricycle, some great camera work there that familiarises us with the outlay and structuring of the hotel, while again showing us how empty the hotel is, tying into the sense of loneliness we are supposed to feel, plus with the camera following the kid, it's as if someone is about to creep up on him the whole time. Great piece of camera work that works well on a number of levels in getting many points across.

Just a few points there, but I could probably go on.....

Also, consider the era in which The Shining was released and what other Horror movies where being released around that time, as the slasher really started to come to prominence. The Shining was different to just about every other horror movie at the time, and proved when a load of copy cat/formulaic horror movies where being released, that the genre could still be inventive and original when given some real thought and work.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 8:43 AM
One 'N'. Please.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 8:45 AM
Clever.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 8:53 AM
an I just ask what do you generally look for when you're watching horror?

Personally I'm not a fan of the genre, The Shining is one of very few Horror films I like, and I think it's easily the best of the bunch.

Kubricks attention to detail is just amazing. There are so many subtle touches that really hit you and make the sense of loneliness within the hotel hit you that much more.

For a start, think about just how quiet the hotel is, and how every little bit of sound is increased and really heard, showing that there just isn't anything going on in the hotel, increasing the sense of emptiness of the location, showing that the family really are stranded in the middle of nowhere.

Then take into account the actual location and how well Kubrick establishes the location, both exterior and interior right from the begining. You have the over heard panning and jerking across the river and mountains to open the film showing the wide depth and deslote nature of the exterior, and then when it comes to the interior, I think he manages to do an amazing job with the hotel. I think the main room in which Jack writes in is brilliant, totally open and wide, showing that there isn't anywhere to escape to within the room. I also like the way the little kid is shot on his tricycle, some great camera work there that familiarises us with the outlay and structuring of the hotel, while again showing us how empty the hotel is, tying into the sense of loneliness we are supposed to feel, plus with the camera following the kid, it's as if someone is about to creep up on him the whole time. Great piece of camera work that works well on a number of levels in getting many points across.

Just a few points there, but I could probably go on.....

Also, consider the era in which The Shining was released and what other Horror movies where being released around that time, as the slasher really started to come to prominence. The Shining was different to just about every other horror movie at the time, and proved when a load of copy cat/formulaic horror movies where being released, that the genre could still be inventive and original when given some real thought and work.

Yes yes yes yes and yes. Couldn't agree more. The book is better, but that's more a compliment to the book, because the film is still fantastic.

Probably my favourite horror film. Certainly one of the most "horrific" films I've ever seen.

Which films did you find "scarier", Hobbs?

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 8:57 AM
Clever.

If you love it so much you should really be able to spell it...

Can't find my rant after a quick look, meh. Still a pile of old bollocks.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 9:02 AM
If you love it so much you should really be able to spell it...

Can't find my rant after a quick look, meh. Still a pile of old bollocks.

I've told people before on here that I'm dysleksik. My biggest weakness is being able to judge double letters within a word, I have immense difficulty with it at times.

But yeah, your opinion is the "pile of old bollocks" if anything is here.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 9:04 AM
If you love it so much you should really be able to spell it...

Can't find my rant after a quick look, meh. Still a pile of old bollocks.

If you're not going to explain why you didn't like that film, it's really not a good idea to come in here and call it "dross". Just makes an already ridiculous opinion a little less credible, that's all.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 9:10 AM
I've explained it at length before. I can't find it now but it's around.

And it's hardly a ridiculous opinion. It just doesn't match yours.

Lem - funny how 'Shining' is the ONLY word you misspell in that big post up there, and you manage 'biggest', 'immense' and 'difficulty' in a short one. In fact, the only word you get wrong is dyslexic itself - almost to emphasise that you can't spell...

You both want to bone Shelley Duvall.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 9:17 AM
Nahh, that title goes to the Shining.

I've seen it a good few times and I don't find it scary in the slightest. Whether that's down to me reading the book first or not is a different story..

Okay. So you didn't find it scary... Why?


It just wasn't very good. Nicholson was great and the story, although changed a little, was still the basic King plot, but everything else about it was just If I was being really generous I'd give it 3/10. And that's because of Mr. Jack.


Kubrick's Shining was terrible.


:rofl:

The Shining is crap too.



The Shining, Nicholson aside, is just diabolical. Nicholson plays Nicholson rather than Torrance too, which is another mark against it.



The Shining was a terrible adaptation, it really was.


Haha what the fuck was I on there? The point stands though, The Shining is easily Kubrick's shittest film.

Ah. Good work backing up your points here. Almost all your posts regarding The Shining are like these. "It's shit", with no real reason as to why.

At first you say Nicholson is the only good thing about the film, now you're saying Nicholson played Nicholson rather than Torrance.


The Shining is fucking gash. Absolutely terrible. EVEN if it wasn't for Shelley Duvall being the ugliest person ever to (grace?) our screens, the story is so convoluted it really makes no sense whatsoever, I don't even like the book that much but there's so much more depth to it than the film, not just because it's a book but because it's not just 'omg its jack nicholson being jack nicholson.' Because that's what it is. It's Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson. And it's just not scary. The lift filled with blood. What the fuck. WHAT the fuck, seriously. The Overlook is a bad place where bad things happened. Not where fucking blood spills out of the fucking elevator. For fucks sake. There's so many things wrong with this film I could do a surge and write fucking paragraphs about how much I abhor it, but that would bring back painful painful memories of actually watching it so I'm going to have to stop here.

The Shining is gay.

Ah, here we go.

Shelley Duvall's ugly. Excellent point there mate.

What doesn't make sense about the film?

You could do a Surge and "write fucking paragraphs about how much you abhor it", but for whatever reason, you never have done. I wonder why.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 9:19 AM
I love the Shining. I didn't mean to come off as not liking it. I just don't think it deserved to be ahead of those other movies much less in the top 50, but I guess I can see why someone would. It probably is one of my favorite horror films. I remember watching years ago and being scared like shit. There is a bathroom in my grandparents house that I use to be scared to go to because it was just so far from everything and so dark, and I use to always think of the bathroom scene every single time I would go there.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 9:20 AM
I've explained it at length before. I can't find it now but it's around.

And it's hardly a ridiculous opinion. It just doesn't match yours.

Lem - funny how 'Shining' is the ONLY word you misspell in that big post up there, and you manage 'biggest', 'immense' and 'difficulty' in a short one. In fact, the only word you get wrong is dyslexic itself - almost to emphasise that you can't spell...

You both want to bone Shelley Duvall.

It's an awful opinion. One of the worst I've seen on this forum, and I've seen some bad one's before.

And your speculation is purley coincidence. And know I didn't spell dyslexic wrong on purprose, why the fuck would I? I'm not pathetic enough to try proving something which I've been diagnosed with by emphasising my point by point by spelling the key word wrong. Clutching at some straws to come off as credible here I think NERF.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 9:35 AM
Why didn't I find it scary? Because it wasn't scary :wtf: Not once did I feel threatened for the child or the wife. The redrum bit wasn't great at all. omg it's murder backwards oh noes! Twins are scary, let's have sme of those too.

Also, the randomness of the 'evil'.

In the book, Sam Torrance has a temper, but you can see how the hotel changes him over the winter. It makes him a psychopath. In the film, because of nicholson's nature, you kind of know he's a bit deranged before he even gets there. And the hotel makes him worse yeah, but the blood from the elevator? How does that push the story along in any way at all? It's just 'oh, this will look like a nice shot.' That's what Kubrick does through the film - there's nothing wrong with it cinematically but it's just for the sake of having a nice shot or cut or whatever. It's a fanboy film; all pretty in the right places but with a storyline and characters that don't meld and casting that's seriously deluded. If you want someone to get across the horror of what the Overlook does to someone, you don't cast the hammiest actor on the planet. Maniacal grins are his thing, but how does that say to you 'oh god look what this place is doing to him'? And Shelley Duvall being ugly DOES matter. She doesn't look, or act, like she should be anywhere near cinema. Wooden is the wrong word as she does scream and cry a lot, but she's not convincing at all. When you have a great lead actress who doesn't make you want to punch her stupid ugly face and actually hope the bad guy axes her right in the middle of it, you're halfway to a decent film.

The book explains so much more about the actual 'shining' - might as well have called the film "Jack Nicholson goes crazy in a hotel" for what it was. I've said before I don't think the book is King's best, not by a long shot, but Kubrick took the guts of the story and twisted them to fit the lead actor, not caring that everything about the story is wrong wrong wrong.

oh i know lets make him frozen at the end so he's dead but can still look like a weirdo that'll be a good ending to the greatest horror film ever ever made ever.

Fuck that. I hate writing about it because it really irks me that so many people buy into it not only as a horror film, but as a GOOD horror film, or even worse, the BEST horror film ever.

Bollocksy bollocksy shite. Load of bollocks.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 9:38 AM
The little boy was alright though. I'll give Kubrick that, he knew how to work with children (I'm calling him a paedo here guys).

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 9:45 AM
Why didn't I find it scary? Because it wasn't scary :wtf: Not once did I feel threatened for the child or the wife. The redrum bit wasn't great at all. omg it's murder backwards oh noes! Twins are scary, let's have sme of those too.

Also, the randomness of the 'evil'.

In the book, Sam Torrance has a temper, but you can see how the hotel changes him over the winter. It makes him a psychopath. In the film, because of nicholson's nature, you kind of know he's a bit deranged before he even gets there. And the hotel makes him worse yeah, but the blood from the elevator? How does that push the story along in any way at all? It's just 'oh, this will look like a nice shot.' That's what Kubrick does through the film - there's nothing wrong with it cinematically but it's just for the sake of having a nice shot or cut or whatever. It's a fanboy film; all pretty in the right places but with a storyline and characters that don't meld and casting that's seriously deluded. If you want someone to get across the horror of what the Overlook does to someone, you don't cast the hammiest actor on the planet. Maniacal grins are his thing, but how does that say to you 'oh god look what this place is doing to him'? And Shelley Duvall being ugly DOES matter. She doesn't look, or act, like she should be anywhere near cinema. Wooden is the wrong word as she does scream and cry a lot, but she's not convincing at all. When you have a great lead actress who doesn't make you want to punch her stupid ugly face and actually hope the bad guy axes her right in the middle of it, you're halfway to a decent film.

The book explains so much more about the actual 'shining' - might as well have called the film "Jack Nicholson goes crazy in a hotel" for what it was. I've said before I don't think the book is King's best, not by a long shot, but Kubrick took the guts of the story and twisted them to fit the lead actor, not caring that everything about the story is wrong wrong wrong.

oh i know lets make him frozen at the end so he's dead but can still look like a weirdo that'll be a good ending to the greatest horror film ever ever made ever.

Fuck that. I hate writing about it because it really irks me that so many people buy into it not only as a horror film, but as a GOOD horror film, or even worse, the BEST horror film ever.

Bollocksy bollocksy shite. Load of bollocks.

You've completley ignored the actual techniques and build that Kubrick uses to create tension, sympathy and freakiness and just concentrated on the actual moments themselves. It's as if you sta down watched all the key moments and didn't seen anything that happend in between.

And I think Nicholson's character is just fine during the film. Yeah he has some 'Jack' moments, but any audience by 1980 was expecting 'Jack' moments. They worked with the character if you ask me, and they weren't used to the point of overkill. Plus, it's not as if he goes from on edge to completley insane, it's a gradual progression that makes a lot of sense.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 9:47 AM
I haven't ignored them because they weren't there. Didn't feel tension, sympathy or freaked out at any point. Just anger at wasting my time and frustration at ruining a decent story. Also repulsion at Duvall's face.

Jimmy Zero
May 18th, 2008, 9:48 AM
Why didn't I find it scary? Because it wasn't scary :wtf: Not once did I feel threatened for the child or the wife. The redrum bit wasn't great at all. omg it's murder backwards oh noes! Twins are scary, let's have sme of those too.

Also, the randomness of the 'evil'.

In the book, Sam Torrance has a temper, but you can see how the hotel changes him over the winter. It makes him a psychopath. In the film, because of nicholson's nature, you kind of know he's a bit deranged before he even gets there. And the hotel makes him worse yeah, but the blood from the elevator? How does that push the story along in any way at all? It's just 'oh, this will look like a nice shot.' That's what Kubrick does through the film - there's nothing wrong with it cinematically but it's just for the sake of having a nice shot or cut or whatever. It's a fanboy film; all pretty in the right places but with a storyline and characters that don't meld and casting that's seriously deluded. If you want someone to get across the horror of what the Overlook does to someone, you don't cast the hammiest actor on the planet. Maniacal grins are his thing, but how does that say to you 'oh god look what this place is doing to him'? And Shelley Duvall being ugly DOES matter. She doesn't look, or act, like she should be anywhere near cinema. Wooden is the wrong word as she does scream and cry a lot, but she's not convincing at all. When you have a great lead actress who doesn't make you want to punch her stupid ugly face and actually hope the bad guy axes her right in the middle of it, you're halfway to a decent film.

The book explains so much more about the actual 'shining' - might as well have called the film "Jack Nicholson goes crazy in a hotel" for what it was. I've said before I don't think the book is King's best, not by a long shot, but Kubrick took the guts of the story and twisted them to fit the lead actor, not caring that everything about the story is wrong wrong wrong.

oh i know lets make him frozen at the end so he's dead but can still look like a weirdo that'll be a good ending to the greatest horror film ever ever made ever.

Fuck that. I hate writing about it because it really irks me that so many people buy into it not only as a horror film, but as a GOOD horror film, or even worse, the BEST horror film ever.

Bollocksy bollocksy shite. Load of bollocks.


What the fuck? This from the guy that thinks AVP2 is anything other than embarrassingly horrible. Like I said, good to know.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 9:51 AM
I haven't ignored them because they weren't there. Didn't feel tension, sympathy or freaked out at any point. Just anger at wasting my time and frustration at ruining a decent story. Also repulsion at Duvall's face.

Okay M8.

If you didn't feel any tension built from some of the elements I mentioned in an earlier post, then there's just no point trying with you, as I don't think you have much of an apreciation or view on what makes truly great film.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 9:53 AM
What's embarrassing or horrible about

a) Some dude's arm getting eaten through with acid
b) A little kid dying in the first five minutes. When that happens, everything's gravy.
c) Multiple homages to both franchises
d) Cool death scenes
e) Explosions
f) Laughable plot holes
g) PredAlien
h) Magic blue disappearing potion

?

For what it is, it's a fun way to spend two hours. I don't think anyone would ever argue it's up there with the best movies of all time in any genre, but it doesn't pretend to be something it's not. I love movies like that. Tongue in cheek funfests. Drool.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 9:55 AM
Okay M8.

If you didn't feel any tension built from some of the elements I mentioned in an earlier post, then there's just no point trying with you, as I don't think you have much of an apreciation or view on what makes truly great film.

That makes sense. I don't like one of your favourite films so I have no taste. Can't argue there, I quite obviously take back everything I've ever said about everything as my opinion can't be taken seriously.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 9:57 AM
That makes sense. I don't like one of your favourite films so I have no taste. Can't argue there, I quite obviously take back everything I've ever said about everything as my opinion can't be taken seriously.

No, it's the fact that you are blind to such obviously amazing film making. It's nothing to do with it being one of my favourite films.

I don't like the Lord of the Rings, but I'm not gonna deny the fact that they are incredibly well made movies, and I can see why anyone would like them, they just aren't something I particularly enjoy.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 9:58 AM
No, it's the fact that you are blind to such obviously amazing film making. It's nothing to do with it being one of my favourite films.

I don't like the Lord of the Rings, but I'm not gonna deny the fact that they are incredibly well made movies, and I can see why anyone would like them, they just aren't something I particularly enjoy.

Quite.. :yes:

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 10:02 AM
How is that any better? Calling me blind to 'obviously amazing' cinematography when if it was that obvious or that amazing I'd see it.

If I was laying into a film you didn't like so much you wouldn't be arguing. Of course it's got something to do with the fact you love it so much.

Two better horror films from the same period as the Shining:

Alien and Halloween.

They are cinematographic landmarks, not Kubrick's abortion.

Jimmy Zero
May 18th, 2008, 10:13 AM
I love Halloween but no way is it better than the Shining. They're so different, both in terms of story and technical film aspects, I think it's pretty unfair to even make that comparison. Alien I definitely agree with, though.

You are right about the fact that they are both far far far more influential movies than the Shining is.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 10:15 AM
How is that any better? Calling me blind to 'obviously amazing' cinematography when if it was that obvious or that amazing I'd see it.

If I was laying into a film you didn't like so much you wouldn't be arguing. Of course it's got something to do with the fact you love it so much.

Two better horror films from the same period as the Shining:

Alien and Halloween.

They are cinematographic landmarks, not Kubrick's abortion.

Dear oh dear. Now you're just using a flash word in Cinematography to try and make yourself look more credible. I wasn't talking about cinematogrpahy per se, yes it's certainly a large part of what I'm talking about, but nowhere did I specify I was talking about just the cinematogrpahy. If you read through the posts I've made on the film again, I was also talking about the use of sound, the editing, structuring and general techniques in creating expression and meaning. Yes they have something to do with cinematography especially the later elements, but it wasn't the only area in which I was using to praise The Shining as you are trying to say here.

I haven't seen any of the Alien films, and I've seen some of Halloween and didn't like it. I hate slahser movies in general, and I don't like John Carpenter as a direcor, he just isn't someone I get, so I can't really argue with you, but fair enough you entitled to your own opinion there.

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 10:16 AM
If you're going to go the route of shots/lighting/etc then Halloween is pretty close to perfect in setting scenes and elevating tension, fear and stuff like that. And the music too, I can't even remember a single piece of the score to The Shining. Miles better in every aspect. And we got to see proper boobies not old woman saggy hag bags.

obviously this was to Jimmy 0.

Jimmy Zero
May 18th, 2008, 10:30 AM
Dear oh dear. Now you're just using a flash word in Cinematography to try and make yourself look more credible. I wasn't talking about cinematogrpahy per se, yes it's certainly a large part of what I'm talking about, but nowhere did I specify I was talking about just the cinematogrpahy. If you read through the posts I've made on the film again, I was also talking about the use of sound, the editing, structuring and general techniques in creating expression and meaning. Yes they have something to do with cinematography especially the later elements, but it wasn't the only area in which I was using to praise The Shining as you are trying to say here.

I haven't seen any of the Alien films, and I've seen some of Halloween and didn't like it. I hate slahser movies in general, and I don't like John Carpenter as a direcor, he just isn't someone I get, so I can't really argue with you, but fair enough you entitled to your own opinion there.

Oh my god. Dude! None of the Alien movies? You are officially not allowed to talk about this subject any longer until you see Alien and Aliens. I've found John Carpenter to be similar to John Waters in that you either love him or hate him. Personally, I think Carpenter does his thing and does it damn well.

NERF: That's part of it. The camera angles, lighting and music in Halloween are perfect in creating a tense atmosphere, but I think you have to consider the scope of each movie.

Halloween didn't really have any big huge set pieces and it didn't take place in an affluent setting, whereas the Shining did; and Kubrik obviously took that in to account. I'm not sure the Shining had any actual music, in a traditional sense. Just lots of kettle drum pounding and dissonant violin trills that increase and decrease in volume with the increased and decreased tension in the movie.

It sounds like you just don't like the style of the movie, more than anything else, especially since the two other late 70's horror flicks you listed are relatively low budget.

This should clear some things up: Exorcist or Texas Chainsaw Massacre?

N.E.R.F.
May 18th, 2008, 10:43 AM
I prefer the Exorcist but it's a close one. Both great at what they set out to achieve.

Jimmy Zero
May 18th, 2008, 10:53 AM
Hmm, I was expecting you to say Texas Chainsaw. Guess your hate for the Shining is the same as my hate for Shawshank.

I prefer Exorcist as well. I think Texas Chainsaw gets a bit more props than it deserves. I don't think it's aged well at all.

Hulkamaniac
May 18th, 2008, 12:23 PM
Bought Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and The Science of Sleep yesterday.

Cactus Lem
May 18th, 2008, 12:25 PM
The Science of Sleep

Watched that about a week ago. Was quite interesting. Gabriel Garcia Bernal is rather good.

mth
May 18th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Just want to say I'm siding with Lem on The Shining. It's awesome.
And I have seen Alien and Aliens, and most of Halloween, too.

Bits
May 18th, 2008, 12:44 PM
The Science of Sleep

I loved Eternal Sunshine so I was really excited to see that, but I ended up only watching half of it and not going back to finish it. It seemed like it was trying to be weird and cooky just for the sake of it. Shame, I actually liked the main character, might try and watch it again at some point.

KorruptJustice
May 18th, 2008, 1:00 PM
No one said it was great. It's not as bad as people make it out to be though. People act like the first Predator is some sort of cinematic masterpiece of action and violence and it's not. It's a borderline unwatchable movie until after they kill the guerillas and realize that something is tracking them, then it becomes fucking awesome.

I'll agree with you that Predator 2 is not as bad as people make it out to be, but there is no way that the beginning of Predator is a "borderline unwatchable" movie, even if you're only talking about the beginning. Sure, it's no "cinematic masterpiece", but the beginning of the movie does a good job of pulling the viewer into the film and allowing them to make a connection with the squad before they start getting killed off. If the Predator had started killing people off within the first five minutes of the film, everyone but Arnold would have just blended in together, as there would have been no time to establish their different personalities, and the whole film would have suffered.


You really don't see it? It's one of the most tragic, beautiful and inspiring films I've ever seen. The friendship that Andy and Red build, along with a few other inmates and the corrupt governer makes it compelling throughout.

I guess maybe if you went into it knowing the hype it might not have quite the same impact but I caught it on TV late one night and just got blown away. There are so many iconic moments in there.

It's not my favourite film but it's worthy of being mentioned with the greats.


Excellent performances all round. Spectacular storyline. Amazing ending. Makes you smile. Makes you cry. Superb soundtrack as well.

So many truly memorable and classic scenes as well.

Agree completely with both of these statements. Shawshank is one of the few films that I've bought without ever seeing any of it anywhere else before, based solely on reputation alone, and I've never regretted it. The whole movie is superb, and its hard for me to think of any flaws that may be present. I can easily see why someone would have it in their Top 10 or even Top 5 movie list.


If we're talking non horror Steven King adaptations it starts and stops with Stand By Me.

I actually saw this for the first time about a month or two ago, and I was really dissapointed by it, to be honest. I've heard good things about it, but I really didn't see anything special about it. I would definitely put both The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile above it for Stephen King adaptations in terms of quality, and if we're talking enjoyment into account, I would even put It above it, on Tim Curry's performance as Pennywise alone. Also, 'Salem's Lot (the old one, not the new one) would probably be above Stand by Me as well.


God bless you for loving Heat so much.

Sometimes I feel lonely in the Heat love. :( Has to be one of my favourite films of all time. I almost don't want to watch that new film that De Niro and Pacino are doing together because I don't think it can compare. Plus it has 50 Cent in it. :p

You're definitely not alone in the Heat love. Heat's definitely one of my favorite films, and easily my favorite Pacino film other than the first two Godfather movies. However, I'm really looking forward to the new one featuring De Niro and Pacino, even though you're right in that it has no chance of equaling Heat. Honestly, I'm just hoping that its better than 88 Minutes (although it would be almost impossible for it not to be).


Yeah I certainly wasn't hugely impressed with it first time I watched it. The way it's always jizzed over as being a masterpiece is ridiculous I think, it's just a bit weird and to be honest really not overly scary :\

Jack's great in it of course, as usual, but it's a very overrated film. Maybe the book's better.

Yeah, the book is better. Actually, I think the book is the reason I didn't like the movie all that much, since I read it before I saw the movie. I liked the movie, especially the way it was shot, but it just couldn't compare to the book for me, which probably explains why I feel the movie is overrated.

Halloween, Alien, Aliens, and The Exorcist are all better than The Shining.


Bought Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and The Science of Sleep yesterday.

Mik (or anyone else), how is Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang? I had a coworker strongly recommend it to me a few days ago, but I'm a bit wary as I've never taken her advice on movies before, and don't really know where her tastes in movies run.

EDIT: Fuck, I need to come in this thread more than once a day.

Hobbit
May 18th, 2008, 2:05 PM
Which films did you find "scarier", Hobbs?

[Rec], the first Saw, the original The Eye, the original Shutter, Fallen, Jacob's Ladder, Open Water (because I'm a big girl when it comes to being stranded in the ocean, proper fear of mine) are a few off the top of my head.

Nothing in The Shining scared me or 'disturbed' me. The bit when the blood floods the corridor and the two little girls really didn't do anything for me, but I'm sure they scared other people and said other people thoroughly enjoyed them. Great if you loved the film I don't really care, just I reckon it's a bit overrated and boring at times.

Oh and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is brilliant, a really entertaining few hours and Robert Downey is amazing in it. It's quirky fun :yes:

Guy
May 18th, 2008, 5:02 PM
Mik (or anyone else), how is Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang? I had a coworker strongly recommend it to me a few days ago, but I'm a bit wary as I've never taken her advice on movies before, and don't really know where her tastes in movies run.

EDIT: Fuck, I need to come in this thread more than once a day.

Fucking great, in a sense.

Shane Black's writing/directing is slick, witty and sarcastically brilliant. Robert Downey Jr started his fantastic comeback around this time. Great movie :yes:

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 5:45 PM
So I was bored this morning and popped in Taxi Driver which is one of my favorite movies. I noticed that on the actual dvd the time listed is 135 minutes when it's really 114 minutes. Anyone else who has the dvd notice this? How can the dvd manufacturers not notice the error?

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 6:02 PM
It kind of does, because amount of votes are factored in. Should a movie be ranked lower or higher because less people have seen it? I understand what your saying but no way should Kill fucking Bill be ranked higher then the movies I have listed.

The IMDB list is the 'top 250 movies as voted by our users.' And they only count the regular voters. Obviously there's less pretentiousness and snootiness because the voting is open to nearly everybody. They're not trying to promote their list as definitive but as a collection of films that people who enjoy film, not necessarily strictly as an art form, think are the best.

Honestly, what the fuck does it matter, if within the voting population of that site, they thought Kill Bill was more fun and/or enjoyable to watch then Heat? Are you that determined to sound cultured that you find a problem in such a harmless, utterly pointless list?

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 6:10 PM
Believe me, I don't lose sleep over the IMDB top 250 list. It actually influences me on what movies to rent or buy. I am just questioning as to how some of these movies can be ranked so high. Just lbecause you don't care about the "pointless" list doesn't mean it can't be questioned at all.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 6:31 PM
They're ranked so high because lots of people like them...

Obviously.

What's so awful about Kill Bil that you picked that one out?

I use it as well. If there's a film on I'm not familiar with I'll enter it into imdb. If it's got a 3.4 I won't bother, but if it's a 6.5 or above it might be worth a watch.

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 6:32 PM
What's there to question. You know exactly why they were so high. They got votes from the community, and with each vote edged closer to a higher spot on the list. Like I said, IMDB is visited by a lot of people who aren't film buffs, so you're not going to get a lot of these classics or artsy movies that film critics and other kinds of experts usually always list.

This whole 'questioning' malarky is really kind of asinine, as if you somehow have a more enlightened opinion simply because you watched a film. You're questioning something that isn't trying to pass itself off as the pinnacle list of brilliant films, and you're coming off as an elitist in development.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 6:33 PM
Kill Bill isn't a bad movie by any stretch. I even stated that I thought it was a good movie. I just used Kill Bill as an example because of how high it was, especially when Kill Bill 2 was the better movie.

Morrison, I realize that the list isn't passing itself off as a pinnacle list, and I understand exactly why a certain movie is so high. I am not putting anyone down who gave Kill Bill or any other movie a 10/10. I mean, I gave movies like Billy Madison and Old School a 10/10. Like I said before, you think there's nothing to question, but I do. You can reiterate your points all you want. I understand where you are coming from in "why question it," but I'm going to. It's not a big deal.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 6:35 PM
It's not the top 250 movies of all time. It's the 250 highest ranked films as voted for by the general public.

What is so wrong with that?

It's not "wrong", it's not "right"

Jimmy Zero
May 18th, 2008, 6:36 PM
What's so awful about Kill Bil that you picked that one out?

I was wondering that myself. I thought Kill Bill was amazing. Not the best thing ever, but still a really awesome homage that Tarantino executed perfectly. I can't think of too many other directors who could have taken such a derivative movie and unoriginal concept as Kill Bill and turned it in to just an absolutely fantastic 4 hour film.

Jimmy Zero
May 18th, 2008, 6:38 PM
Kill Bill isn't a bad movie by any stretch. I even stated that I thought it was a good movie. U just don't think it belongs anywhere near the top 250 movies of all time. Kill Bill 2, however, is the better movie and belongs on that type of list in my opinion.

It's unfair to consider the Kill Bills separately. It's one movie. I hope a special edition is released at some point with an uncut version. That'd be greatness.

Ringo
May 18th, 2008, 6:38 PM
I was wondering that myself. I thought Kill Bill was amazing. Not the best thing ever, but still a really awesome concept that Tarantino executed perfectly. I can't think of too many other directors who could have taken such a derivative movie and unoriginal concept as Kill Bill and turned it in to just an absolutely fantastic 4 hour film.

I liked it a lot as well. Not one of my favourites of all time or anything, but for PurePlayer to pick it out as if he's been deeply offended by it's inclusion, I'd have thought that would mean he must have really hated it.

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 6:40 PM
Kill Bill isn't a bad movie by any stretch. I even stated that I thought it was a good movie. I just don't think it belongs anywhere near the top 250 movies of all time especially when Kill Bill 2 was the better movie. Morrison, I realize that the list isn't passing itself off as a pinnacle list, I just think that some of the movies are too high that's all. There isn't anything more to it than that. I am not putting down anyone who gave Kill Bill or any other movie that I don't agree with a 10/10. I mean, I have given movies like Billy Madison and Old School a 10/10.

To be honest, I think people who've voted for Kill Bill voted based on whole concept, and not just Part 1.

How can they be too high!? You're trying to look at this something more then it is.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 6:44 PM
It's not the top 250 movies of all time. It's the 250 highest ranked films as voted for by the general public.

What is so wrong with that?

It's not "wrong", it's not "right"

Oh my goodness! I know this. I just don't agree with some of the movies on the list. Is there anything wrong with that? Just like Jimmy doesn't agree with the majority that think the Shawshank Redemption is a classic.

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 6:52 PM
Oh my goodness! I know this. I just don't agree with some of the movies on the list. Is there anything wrong with that? Just like Jimmy doesn't agree with the majority that think the Shawshank Redemption is a classic.

That's different. That's arguing the quality of the film based on two different interpretations and perspectives. You, for whatever reason, seem to only be factoring in technical achievements or superb acting and certain types of scripts as a reason to criticize the position of certain movies on a list that's based soley on how much the community enjoyed the films, despite any of these kinds of issues.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 7:05 PM
I liked it a lot as well. Not one of my favourites of all time or anything, but for PurePlayer to pick it out as if he's been deeply offended by it's inclusion, I'd have thought that would mean he must have really hated it.

No, I picked it out because at the time it came out, my friends were just creaming their pants at how it was the best movie they ever saw. I liked the movie a lot, but I just got sick of praise the movie was getting by the people around me.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 7:08 PM
That's different. That's arguing the quality of the film based on two different interpretations and perspectives. You, for whatever reason, seem to only be factoring in technical achievements or superb acting and certain types of scripts as a reason to criticize the position of certain movies on a list that's based soley on how much the community enjoyed the films, despite any of these kinds of issues.

Relax man, it's not that big of a deal. I criticized a couple of movies because I didn't like them as much as the general public. You are starting to nitpick at some pretty pointless stuff now.

Jimmy Zero
May 18th, 2008, 7:58 PM
No, I picked it out because at the time it came out, my friends were just creaming their pants at how it was the best movie they ever saw. I liked the movie a lot, but I just got sick of praise the movie was getting by the people around me.

I'm assuming you're in you're late teens/early 20's? Maybe it was the best movie they ever saw in a theater and were overly excited because of that? I had the exact same reaction to, oddly enough, Pulp Fiction when I saw it in the theater. I was 14 or so and it blew my mind and I thought it was the best movie I'd ever seen in the theater (as I was writing this I remembered the ACTUAL best/favorite movie I've ever seen in theaters T2) and I liked it that much more because I'd had the theater experience.

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 9:16 PM
No, I picked it out because at the time it came out, my friends were just creaming their pants at how it was the best movie they ever saw. I liked the movie a lot, but I just got sick of praise the movie was getting by the people around me.
Why? Cause their praise was based on criteria that was different than yours, thus making the film therefore inferior then certain other ones to you? My second favorite film of all-time is American Psycho, yet I'm pretty sure there's 'better' films out there. But I'm not trying to make all my favorite films acclaimed, historic documents of cinema that are nearly always praised and held in high regard. It's fucking boring.

Oh my god, some of you're favorite films are Taxi Driver, The Godfather and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? What an intellectual!

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 9:19 PM
Relax man, it's not that big of a deal. I criticized a couple of movies because I didn't like them as much as the general public. You are starting to nitpick at some pretty pointless stuff now.

I'm nitpicking? This is pretty blatant observations of what you're putting across. If either of us is nitpicking, it's you 'questioning' a perfectly fine and excusable list because it didn't meet your specifications for what an entirely different kind of list should've been.

And another thing, that's kind of related; people really need to stop prefacing responses in a debate with 'relax' and 'calm/settle down.' It's such a smarmy, unnecessarily coy way of being condescending to somebody.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 9:29 PM
Originally Posted by Morrison
And another thing, that's kind of related; people really need to stop prefacing responses in a debate with 'relax' and 'calm/settle down.' It's such a smarmy, unnecessarily coy way of being condescending to somebody.


Oh my god, some of you're favorite films are Taxi Driver, The Godfather and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? What an intellectual!

What the fuck is that then, jackass?

So what if those are some of my favorite movies anyway? I also love all of the Pirates movies, Spiderman movies, etc. which are not as critically acclaimed. You are making it sound like I only like movies that Roger Ebert gave **** to.

You are making way to much of a big deal about this dude. I don't like some of the movies on the list or think people have overrated them, in my opinion, just like there are movies you don't like. I just openly said so. I am seriously wasting my time arguing about something so fucking stupid and pointless. Get over yourself.

Vice
May 18th, 2008, 9:39 PM
Everyone needs to calm down in here before this explodes into something a heck of a lot bigger.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 9:39 PM
Why? Cause their praise was based on criteria that was different than yours, thus making the film therefore inferior then certain other ones to you? My second favorite film of all-time is American Psycho, yet I'm pretty sure there's 'better' films out there. But I'm not trying to make all my favorite films acclaimed, historic documents of cinema that are nearly always praised and held in high regard. It's fucking boring.

Oh my god, some of you're favorite films are Taxi Driver, The Godfather and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? What an intellectual!

No you are wrong again. You make it sound like I only like critically acclaimed movies. Please know what you are talking about before you speak, smart guy. I like a movie because I like it, not because of the praise it got. What the hell are you on? You seriously sound like a fucking loser. I loved all the Pirates movies. Did they all get amazing reviews?

I liked Kill Bill a lot. Just like a lot of people do I got sick of a subject that is always talked about by everyone around me. I was just fed up with it.

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 10:05 PM
What the fuck is that then, jackass? So what if those are some of my favorite movies anyway? I also love all of the Pirates movies, Spiderman movies, etc. which are not as critically acclaimed. You are making it sound like I only like movies that Roger Ebert gave **** to. You are making way to much of a big deal about this dude. I don't like some of the movies on the list or think people have overrated them, in my opinion, just like there are movies you don't like. I just openly said so. I am seriously wasting my time arguing about something so fucking stupid and pointless. Get over yourself.

Would you be ranking the Pirates and Spiderman movies above those other films?

I'm not making it sound like you only like the standard set of highly regarded films. You're making assumptions and twisting the meaning of what I'm saying to you. I'm saying that you're 'questioning' of the IMDB list is bogus. You're criticizing the list and some of the placements based on the criteria that wasn't used when the list was compiled. You're entitled to do so, I guess. But it's fucking silly as all hell and you don't seem to be understanding that when you bitch about Kill Bill being higher then Deer Hunter, whether you like it or not, you do sound like one of those pretentious jerks who only would rank those kinds usual films.

And what the hell does this have to do with how I consider myself? Jesus fucking christ.

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 10:10 PM
No you are wrong again. You make it sound like I only like critically acclaimed movies. Please know what you are talking about before you speak, smart guy. I like a movie because I like it, not because of the praise it got. What the hell are you on? You seriously sound like a fucking loser. I loved all the Pirates movies. Did they all get amazing reviews?

I liked Kill Bill a lot. Just like a lot of people do I got sick of a subject that is always talked about by everyone around me. I was just fed up with it.

Seriously, I'm not insulting you here. Don't be so touchy and jump down my throat because I'm engaging you about something you've said.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 10:11 PM
Would you be ranking the Pirates and Spiderman movies above those other films?

Does it really matter?

I would rank the first Pirates movie about some of the ones I listed like Heat as my favorite but not over Taxi Driver and The Godfather.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Seriously, I'm not insulting you here. Don't be so touchy and jump down my throat because I'm engaging you about something you've said.

I am fine with it until it kept going on because I don't see it as anything that big of a deal to continue debating about. Then it seemed like you started to make assumptions in what movies I like and the reasons why I like them.

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 10:18 PM
I am fine with it until it kept going on because I don't see it as anything that big of a deal to continue debating about. Then it seemed like you started to make assumptions in what movies I like and the reasons why I like them.

Of course it's not a 'big deal.' But then again, a lot of the stuff discussed on this forum is fairly insignificant. Not everything has to be of utmost importance in order to have a lengthy discussion about it.

House of Pancakes
May 18th, 2008, 11:27 PM
I think this is out of hand. The general public is going to vote for movies like The Matrix and Fight Club and 300 and American History X. It's not like the iMDB 250 is the ultimate list to begin with. If you disagree with what's on it, then disregard it and move on. Trust me, I'm pretty sick of people saying "OMG DONNIE DARKO" myself, and I do think people tend to overrate movies because they haven't really seen anything older than 1975 to compare them to. It's just that I don't see anyone thinking the iMDB list is made by experts, so what exactly is the argument?

Morrison
May 18th, 2008, 11:39 PM
I think this is out of hand. The general public is going to vote for movies like The Matrix and Fight Club and 300 and American History X. It's not like the iMDB 250 is the ultimate list to begin with. If you disagree with what's on it, then disregard it and move on. Trust me, I'm pretty sick of people saying "OMG DONNIE DARKO" myself, and I do think people tend to overrate movies because they haven't really seen anything older than 1975 to compare them to. It's just that I don't see anyone thinking the iMDB list is made by experts, so what exactly is the argument?

This WAS basically my side of the argument.

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 11:53 PM
edit

PurePlayer
May 18th, 2008, 11:56 PM
If you disagree with what's on it, then disregard it and move on.

I pretty much tried to. I just felt like bringing it out in the open and then disregard it and move on.


Trust me, I'm pretty sick of people saying "OMG DONNIE DARKO" myself, and I do think people tend to overrate movies because they haven't really seen anything older than 1975 to compare them to.

That is pretty much what I was trying to say. It was a point that I wanted to bring up and leave it at that. Actually, I wanted to discuss it to an extent but not as much as we did.

House of Pancakes
May 19th, 2008, 10:04 AM
Then, this has been cleared up, since apparently both you and Morrison have valid points.

Cactus Lem
May 19th, 2008, 12:42 PM
I watched Commando last night.

It was amazing as it was when I was a 7 year old.

Everyone should love Commando.

Mills
May 19th, 2008, 1:02 PM
I watched Mobsters last night for the first time ever. I actually liked it, Christian Slater did a great job of portaying Lucky Luciano, though Patrick Dempsey looked lost at times. It was a fun story.

N.E.R.F.
May 19th, 2008, 1:20 PM
Commando is brilliant.

Also brilliant is Doomsday. One of the funniest post-apocalyptic films out there. The main bad guy is hilarious. The whole film is like a cross between 28 Days Later and a Scottish Mad Max. Fitto leading girl, brilliant deaths and Bob Oskins, and you can tell the baddies apart straight away as they're all sweaties. Watch it in the cinema if you like loud noises and guns and other manly things like maces, car chases and cannibalistic heathens doing the can can.

Hobbit
May 19th, 2008, 1:31 PM
Got Doomsday to watch later tonight. I've had a skip through the file and it looks absolutely awful, but in a good way. And Rhona Mitra. Isn't it from the bloke that directed Worst Film Ever The Descent too? Can't wait.

Commando is quality. The one liners are genius, it's such a quotable man film. Arnie is the best.

N.E.R.F.
May 19th, 2008, 1:33 PM
Mate, let me know what you think of it. It's a proper blokey film. Don't fuck with the English.

Hobbit
May 24th, 2008, 9:51 PM
Still aint watched it yet mate, but I did see the manly film that is Knocked Up. Seriously fucking good film and I laughed quite a lot throughout. I also think I fell in love with both Katherine Heigl and Paul Rudd with about an hour gone too, and was really into it by the end because I'm a massive sappy twat.

And Alba was in it for 4 seconds :yes:

Also saw SHOOTER with Mark Whalberg and Rhona Mitra which was amazing. Had everything an action film needs really:

- explosions :yes:
- shootouts :yes:
- car chase :yes:
- loads of violent deaths :yes:
- relatively hapless individual totally out of his depth that gains a sense of invincibility because he's with the hero :yes:
- awful villians :yes:

Wonderful.

Beer-Belly
May 25th, 2008, 5:29 AM
The Descent is better than Alba.

Hobbit
May 25th, 2008, 7:21 AM
Let's not be silly.

1_Pablo_Angel
May 25th, 2008, 8:32 AM
Commando is quality. The one liners are genius, it's such a quotable man film. Arnie is the best.

:yes: :yes: :yes:

Please excuse my friend - he's DEAD TIRED

Cactus Lem
May 25th, 2008, 9:22 AM
One awful thing about Commando is the girl who helps him out. Fucking awful. The lack of chemsitry between her and Arnie is pretty funny.

Hobbit
May 25th, 2008, 9:53 AM
Her awfulness only emphasises Arnie's awesomeness, thus making her pretty damn good. I don't think you're meant to really read into the chemistry between them to be fair :lol:

PurePlayer
May 25th, 2008, 3:46 PM
I figured I would try this to make the thread a little more interesting since it seemed to have died off a little. I am going to group two movies together that are similar in either actors, directors, or genre and you just say which you prefer.

Se7en or Fight Club
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas or Casino
Rocky or Raging Bull
Godfather or Godfather Part II
Prestige or Illusionist
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator
Alien or Aliens
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings

Feel free to add some more

Hulkamaniac
May 25th, 2008, 3:49 PM
Shawshank should really be lumped next to The Green Mile.

Gladiator more with A Kingdom of Heaven (directors cut).

PurePlayer
May 25th, 2008, 3:51 PM
You don't think Cuckoo's Nest and Shawshank should be lumped together though? I think there is a big enough similarity there.

Bad Obsession
May 25th, 2008, 3:52 PM
I just saw the trailer to The Happening and it reminded me how much it got my interest when I first heard about it. It really does look very good. The trouble is Shyamalan relies far too much on shitty twists and from the way that Wahlberg says "Here it comes!" when running in the trailer it gives me the impression that this will be more of the same. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt I will be.

Hulkamaniac
May 25th, 2008, 3:54 PM
Se7en or Fight Club - Se7en.
Shawshank Redemption or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - Shawshank (with The Green Mile too).
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs - Pulp Fiction.
Goodfellas or Casino - Goodfellas.
Rocky or Raging Bull - Taxi Driver.
Godfather or Godfather Part II - Part II.
Prestige or Illusionist - Prestige.
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator - Kingdo of Heaven.
Alien or Aliens - Alien.
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist - Exorcist,
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin - 40 Year Old Virgin.
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun - Naked Gun.
Jason Bourne or James Bond - Bourne.
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings - Rings.

Hulkamaniac
May 25th, 2008, 3:55 PM
You don't think Cuckoo's Nest and Shawshank should be lumped together though? I think there is a big enough similarity there.

Other than Prison...which it isnt really?

Not really.


Green Mile had the same theme (Prison Drama), the same director and were based on books from the same author. The music for both were done by Thomas Newman too.

Cactus Lem
May 25th, 2008, 4:17 PM
Her awfulness only emphasises Arnie's awesomeness, thus making her pretty damn good. I don't think you're meant to really read into the chemistry between them to be fair :lol:

Well obviously not, it isn't that sort of film, the poor chemistry just made it that much enjoyable for me, but I doubt it's gonna stand out to those less casual viewers. I really don't think my Grandad would've noticed it when I watched it with him years ago for example, he was just digging the machine guns and simple carrying of tree trunks.

I've been on a bit of an Arnie bend recently. After all the talk of Schwarznegger in here the other week, it made me go back and watch some old favourites from my childhood such as Commando. Also watched Terminator 2, which would probably crack my all time top 20, Total Recall and True Lies recently, and plan on watching Predator again soon, must be over 5 years since I last watched it.

I also decided upon watching Total Recall to use it for an exam next week.

PurePlayer
May 25th, 2008, 4:57 PM
Other than Prison...which it isnt really?

Not really.


Green Mile had the same theme (Prison Drama), the same director and were based on books from the same author. The music for both were done by Thomas Newman too.

Good point.

My list with a few changes.

Se7en or Fight Club - Se7en
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile - Shawshank
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs - Pulp Fiction
Goodfellas or Casino - Goodfellas
Rocky or Raging Bull - Raging Bull
Godfather or Godfather Part II - Part I
Prestige or Illusionist - Prestige
Kingdom of Heaven or Gladiator - Gladiator
Alien or Aliens - Alien
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist - Halloween
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin - Superbad
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun - Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond - Bond
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings - Lord of the Rings

Ace Rockola
May 26th, 2008, 1:16 AM
Se7en or Fight Club - Fight Club
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile - Shawshank is on my small list of stuff I've not seen that I need to, so null vote.
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs - Pulp Fiction
Goodfellas or Casino - Goodfellas
Rocky or Raging Bull - Rocky
Godfather or Godfather Part II - The combined cut
Prestige or Illusionist - Prestige, though both were very good.
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator - Never seen Kingdom of Heaven.
Alien or Aliens - Alien
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist - Are we talking as a whole series? Cause if so I'm a Jason man, but if we're going just by first films in the series then the Exorcist.
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin - Knocked Up
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun - Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond - Bond, but would have went Bourne had Daniel Craig not owned so fucking hard in Casino Royale.
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings - Star Wars


Right now I'm watching First Blood on DVR from Spike TV. Really great companion to Son of Rambow. I don't think I'll ever be able to watch one without wanting to see the other.

House of Pancakes
May 26th, 2008, 1:24 AM
I figured I would try this to make the thread a little more interesting since it seemed to have died off a little. I am going to group two movies together that are similar in either actors, directors, or genre and you just say which you prefer.

Se7en or Fight Club
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas or Casino
Rocky or Raging Bull
Godfather or Godfather Part II
Prestige or Illusionist
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator
Alien or Aliens
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings

Feel free to add some more

Way to list basically the most common movies known to man. There are better things to do to make a thread interesting.

Why don't we start talking about movies with our favorite cinematography, to spice things up? Any takers?

PurePlayer
May 26th, 2008, 1:26 AM
I listed those movies because I know most people have seen them. Get a life dude.

Vice
May 26th, 2008, 1:31 AM
Way to list basically the most common movies known to man. There are better things to do to make a thread interesting.


Fuck sake. Seriously.

House of Pancakes
May 26th, 2008, 1:57 AM
Just saying. Do we really another "what's better: Shawshank or Godfather" discussion? That's a way to kill a thread, not make it more interesting. If you disagree with me, then move on. Movies with my favorite cinematography?

Punch-Drunk Love
The Seventh Seal
Mirror
Days of Heaven
Citizen Kane

In no order, and those are at the top of my head.

Jimmy Zero
May 26th, 2008, 2:05 AM
Fuck off with that bullshit. You've ruined enough Listening Room threads with that, don't start up in the Movies forum.

Vice
May 26th, 2008, 3:56 AM
Just saying. Do we really another "what's better: Shawshank or Godfather" discussion? That's a way to kill a thread, not make it more interesting.


It's not absolutely essential, no.. but he was trying, and you never know-- it could actually bring out some decent discussion. Like, I'm now curious to see the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven because Mik specifically mentioned that version. Having seen only the theatrical version and being incredibly mixed about it, I'm wondering how big of a difference there is. I was going to discuss that earlier before you came in here and did your usual routine.

Your attitude is what I have the biggest problem with, and clearly you just don't understand how abrasive and unnecessary a lot of your comments can be.


Way to list basically the most common movies known to man. There are better things to do to make a thread interesting.

Why don't we start talking about movies with our favorite cinematography, to spice things up? Any takers?


Now if you had said "I think there are better ways to make a thread interesting, because these comparisons have been done numerous times. What about cinematography?

[insert list]"

That would have been fine. But throwing in "Way to list basically the most common movies known to man" is shitheaded and pompous, and really didn't add anything aside from being a shitheaded and pompous remark. You've been warned numerous times about this pathetic "elite" attitude of yours that only causes threads to be derailed. You're trying to enlighten people with stuff they may never have heard/seen, but your dreadful attitude makes everything backfire. Yet you somehow still don't understand what you're doing wrong, which worries me slightly.

So to put it bluntly, drop it now before you get dropped.

Morrison
May 26th, 2008, 3:56 AM
Fuck off with that bullshit. You've ruined enough Listening Room threads with that, don't start up in the Movies forum.

Honestly.

You've gotten bitched at for doing nearly the exact same thing in the music forum, to the point where you had to have a thread made just for you to help stifle all the backlash. Why would you come in here and try and start the same kind of shit, unless you're just being a troll?

Ringo
May 26th, 2008, 5:43 AM
Se7en or Fight Club
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas or Casino
Rocky or Raging Bull
Godfather or Godfather Part II - Yeah, AND WHAT!?
Prestige or Illusionist
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator
Alien or Aliens
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond - Bit silly though when you consider the sheer volume of Bond to choose from.
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings

Zarius
May 26th, 2008, 7:32 AM
The best thing about the Spitting Image documentary rerun last night (beside...everything else)

Every Bomb You Make (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A18K7OM7tWA&feature=related)

Hulkamaniac
May 26th, 2008, 8:00 AM
Way to list basically the most common movies known to man. There are better things to do to make a thread interesting.

Why don't we start talking about movies with our favorite cinematography, to spice things up? Any takers?

Fuck off. The best way to make this thread interesting would be to do BOTH. Not to do your idea and forget about his. Besides, his list wasnt comparing things like Shawshank to Godfather, it was about comparing similar films. For example lots of people might have seen Gladiator or Fight Club and enjoyed them, so to hear that Kingdom of Heaven or Se7en are similar but someone whose opinion they respect deem them better might motivate them to find that film to watch too. Seems fair to me.

Now. Your list of films with the best cinematography is shit. Pick a better one.

Clutch
May 26th, 2008, 9:05 AM
here's me




Se7en or Fight Club
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas or Casino
Rocky or Raging Bull
Godfather or Godfather Part II
Prestige or Illusionist
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator
Alien or Aliens
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings

KorruptJustice
May 26th, 2008, 9:15 AM
Se7en or Fight Club
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas or Casino
Rocky or Raging Bull
Godfather or Godfather Part II
Prestige or Illusionist - Haven't seen Illusionist, but I have to say it would need to be awfully impressive for me to like it more than The Prestige. Great film.
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator (Haven't seen the director's cut of KoH, though)
Alien or Aliens
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin (Haven't seen Knocked Up, but I would take Superbad over The 40 Year Old Virgin)
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings (I assume you mean the original trilogy, right?)

PurePlayer
May 26th, 2008, 9:26 AM
Originally Posted by Ringo
Bit silly though when you consider the sheer volume of Bond to choose from.

I know a lot of people who still like the Bourne films better.


Originally Posted by KorruptJustice
Haven't seen Illusionist, but I have to say it would need to be awfully impressive for me to like it more than The Prestige. Great film.

I woudn't say the Illusionist is better, but I do think it was a very good movie in it's own right. Edward Norton was great as usual.


(I assume you mean the original trilogy, right?)

Yep.


Originally Posted by Ace Rockola
Are we talking as a whole series? Cause if so I'm a Jason man, but if we're going just by first films in the series then the Exorcist.

I was thinking the originals, but you can do the series if you want.

Slare
May 26th, 2008, 9:38 AM
Se7en or Fight Club - Fight Club
Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile - Shawhshank
Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs - Pulp Fiction
Goodfellas or Casino - Goodfellas
Rocky or Raging Bull - Raging Bull
Godfather or Godfather Part II - Godfather II
Prestige or Illusionist - Prestige
Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator - Gladiator
Alien or Aliens - Alien
Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist - N/A
Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin - Superbad
Scary Movie or The Naked Gun - Naked Gun
Jason Bourne or James Bond - Bourne
Star Wars or Lord of the Rings - LOTR

Jimmy Zero
May 26th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Se7en or Fight Club - Seven

Shawshank Redemption or The Green Mile - I don't like either of these movies, but if I had to choose, I'd say Shawshank

Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs - Pulp Fiction

Goodfellas or Casino - Goodfellas

Rocky or Raging Bull - Rocky. Raging Bull has the better acting and is ultimately a better movie, but I've just got a soft spot for Rocky.

Godfather or Godfather Part II - Part 2

Prestige or Illusionist - Prestige

Kingdom of Heavon or Gladiator - N/A, haven't seen Kingdom...

Alien or Aliens - Aliens, though I don't think these movies are as comparable as one might think.

Halloween or Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or The Exorcist - Come on. Exorcist

Superbad or Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin - 40 YOV

Scary Movie or The Naked Gun - Fuck both of these movies, but Naked Gun if I have to choose. Actually, no. I choose Airplane.

Jason Bourne or James Bond - Bourne. Never been able to get in to Bond.

Star Wars or Lord of the Rings - Empire Strikes Back.

N.E.R.F.
May 26th, 2008, 5:07 PM
Just bought both the Grindhouse movies and Eastern Promises in the HMV 3 for 20. Will probably watch Planet Terror in a second, I love me some mindless action.

Jimmy Zero
May 26th, 2008, 5:13 PM
3 really good pick ups there, NERF. I love Death Proof. Absolutely awesome movie.

Hobbit
May 26th, 2008, 5:27 PM
I found Death Proof to be incredibly disappointing to be honest. I really enjoyed the last 15 minutes or so but most of the dialogue between the girls I just found really boring and even considered skipping it on. I haven't seen Planet Terror yet but from trailers and clips of it it looks about 50 times better. Eastern Promises I've had for a while now and very much plan to watch it soon as it looks class.

N.E.R.F.
May 26th, 2008, 5:34 PM
Dialogue is what Tarantino does though.

Hobbit
May 26th, 2008, 5:37 PM
Yeah I normally love it, but in DP's case it didn't push my buttons. Kurt Russell saved it IMO, what a superb character too.

Ringo
May 26th, 2008, 5:53 PM
Yeah. I enjoyed DP but not THAT much. When it ended I was a bit like, "Oh, that's it?" even though I knew it was a short one.

Still, Kurt Russell is fucking brilliant.

Jimmy Zero
May 26th, 2008, 5:57 PM
I found Death Proof to be incredibly disappointing to be honest. I really enjoyed the last 15 minutes or so but most of the dialogue between the girls I just found really boring and even considered skipping it on. I haven't seen Planet Terror yet but from trailers and clips of it it looks about 50 times better. Eastern Promises I've had for a while now and very much plan to watch it soon as it looks class.

I'd say Death Proof is definitely Tarantino's least accessible movie as far as all his weird little dialogue quirks go. It's an homage to really obscure genre that a lot of people don't know anything about. For lack of a better term, it's a fanboy's Tarantino flick. I'm a fan of all those old trashy Corman films, so it was right up my alley.

Cactus Lem
May 26th, 2008, 6:37 PM
Just bought both the Grindhouse movies and Eastern Promises in the HMV 3 for 20. Will probably watch Planet Terror in a second, I love me some mindless action.

I'll be getting down to HMV this week then. Been waiting for those to make the sales for a while now.

Any idea if 3:10 to Yuma or American Gangster made the same sale?

House of Pancakes
May 26th, 2008, 6:58 PM
Criterion just announced a list of Blu-Ray releases. Among them? The 400 Blows and The Third Man.

THANK GOD.

Hobbit
May 26th, 2008, 9:30 PM
I'd say Death Proof is definitely Tarantino's least accessible movie as far as all his weird little dialogue quirks go. It's an homage to really obscure genre that a lot of people don't know anything about. For lack of a better term, it's a fanboy's Tarantino flick. I'm a fan of all those old trashy Corman films, so it was right up my alley.

That's fair enough, I'm usually well up for directors paying homage to other films or even whole genres but I guess I'm just not a big fan of what QT was paying tribute to.

Watched The Pursuit of Happiness tonight, it was alright but I would've liked to have seen Gardner's actual rise past the point of him landing the job with the stockbrokers. I understand the film was focusing on his juggling with fatherhood and financial problems (leading to homelessness) but maybe an extra chapter if you like following him as a richer man, just five minutes or so. Doesn't matter too much though as I really enjoyed it, yet another quality Will Smith performance as well :yes:

PurePlayer
May 26th, 2008, 9:51 PM
Anyone here see the Machinist? I was looking through some past Christian Bale movies and stumbled upon this. Does anyone here recommend it?

Hobbit
May 26th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Fantastic film. It's one of those films that's highly rated by those who've seen it but it doesn't seem to get much mainstream attention. I'd certainly recommend it.

Jimmy Zero
May 27th, 2008, 1:06 AM
Machinist is a great movie. Watch it.

Hulkamaniac
May 27th, 2008, 9:44 AM
Anyone here see the Machinist? I was looking through some past Christian Bale movies and stumbled upon this. Does anyone here recommend it?

Definitely one of my top 50 movies of all time.

Have a search, I think that there was a thread about it and I'm sure that I've posted about it at great length previously.

Vice
May 27th, 2008, 9:55 AM
Machinist thread, which hasn't had any activity in years:

http://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=88859

The Rajah movie awards, which includes Mik pimping the bijesus out of it:

http://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=113492

Mik's 100 greatest film performances thread, pimping Bale's Machinist performance:

http://forums.rajah.com/showthread.php?t=115857

Finish that thread, by the way.


Anyway, yeah. Great film, wonderful performance from Bail. His weight loss was absolutely fucking ridiculous too. True dedication.

Hulkamaniac
May 27th, 2008, 10:01 AM
Yeah...I'll get it finished. Its awkward at the moment, cos I have seen many performances since I started it that totally blow others in the list out of the water. I need to accept that this simply cannot be fixed and instead have some kind of list at the end of other performances that should have been in there and some that in hindsight shouldnt have been.

PurePlayer
May 27th, 2008, 7:58 PM
Thanks guys! I added it to my netflix list. I should be getting it right after Donnie Darko which I should be watching by Wednesday.

Jimmy Zero
May 27th, 2008, 9:51 PM
Speaking of Netflix, I've got a promo code for a free trial month if anyone wants it.

Ringo
May 28th, 2008, 5:41 AM
Everyone listen up. Watch this, and do what the lovely man presenting the programme says.

Tapping The Wire:
http://www.megaupload.com/


Thank you ever so much.

Seriously though, watch it.

I steal cable
May 29th, 2008, 1:41 AM
Aye, Charlie Brooker is god.

I've been steering clear of anything that has to do with The Wire. I'm gonna buy all the seasons on DVD and just watch them back2back. Why? Cause that's how I roll.

House of Pancakes
May 29th, 2008, 11:20 AM
Yeah...I'll get it finished. Its awkward at the moment, cos I have seen many performances since I started it that totally blow others in the list out of the water. I need to accept that this simply cannot be fixed and instead have some kind of list at the end of other performances that should have been in there and some that in hindsight shouldnt have been.

Maybe we could do a specialized list of, say, best performances by non-leading actors? And it wouldn't be one of those co-lead things, like saying Al Pacino was supporting in The Godfather. It'd be only people with less than thirty minutes of screen-time, or some other variable. Say, like Orson Welles in The Third Man.

Morrison
May 29th, 2008, 11:35 AM
YOU'RE HILARIOUS.

House of Pancakes
May 29th, 2008, 12:20 PM
I'm easily funnier than you are.

Cactus Lem
May 29th, 2008, 7:23 PM
Maybe we could do a specialized list of, say, best performances by non-leading actors? And it wouldn't be one of those co-lead things, like saying Al Pacino was supporting in The Godfather. It'd be only people with less than thirty minutes of screen-time, or some other variable. Say, like Orson Welles in The Third Man.

If you're so determined to do these alternative and different lists, why don't you start us off then?

PurePlayer
May 29th, 2008, 7:57 PM
Maybe we could do a specialized list of, say, best performances by non-leading actors? And it wouldn't be one of those co-lead things, like saying Al Pacino was supporting in The Godfather. It'd be only people with less than thirty minutes of screen-time, or some other variable. Say, like Orson Welles in The Third Man.

Contains a spoiler from Se7en.

Kevin Spacey-Se7en.

I put this in spoilers just in case someone hasn't seen the film and don't know Spacey plays the John Doe character.

Cactus Lem
May 29th, 2008, 8:02 PM
Wanna know one of my favourite small time performances? The Dad from Home Alone's run in the first series of The Sopranos. Legend.

Beer-Belly
May 29th, 2008, 8:09 PM
More Coen bros. goodness...

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/05/29/burn-after-reading-red-band-movie-trailer/

Looks pretty grand.

Beer-Belly
May 29th, 2008, 8:47 PM
This is worse than those Garfield movies.

Bill Murray sued for divorce
By Ron Menchaca
The Post and Courier
Updated 10:39 a.m., May 29, 2008

cademy Award-nominated actor and comedian Bill Murray, who makes regular public appearances in the Lowcountry as a co-owner of the Charleston RiverDogs baseball team, is accused of drug addiction, abandonment, adultery and physically abusing his wife of more than 10 years, according to a recent court filing in Charleston County.

Jennifer Butler Murray cites the allegations as grounds for divorce, according to the complaint filed May 12 in family court. Records in the case were sealed Friday by a court order.

The Murrays married in 1997 and have four children, all minors.

Jennifer Murray is represented by Charleston attorney Robert Rosen, who declined to comment on the case Wednesday and said his client also would not comment on the filing.

Court records do not list an attorney for Bill Murray, who is listed in the complaint as "William Murray" and famously does not have a publicist or agent. A telephone message left for Murray at the RiverDogs office Wednesday was not returned.

Jennifer Murray also seeks a restraining order barring Bill Murray from her Sullivan's Island home and asks the court to determine if the couple's premarital agreement is valid and enforceable.

The Murrays signed the agreement before their marriage on July 4, 1997. It stipulates that if either spouse files for divorce, both parties retain all of their separate property, waive any right to alimony or support and maintain responsibilities for their children.

If the marriage is dissolved and the 23-page premarital agreement is made a part of the order, Bill Murray agrees to pay Jennifer Murray $7 million, according to a copy of the agreement accompanying the complaint.

According to the complaint, Jennifer Murray moved into a Sullivan's Island home in 2006 with the couple's four children due to her husband's "adultery, addiction to marijuana and alcohol, abusive behavior, physical abuse, sexual addictions and frequent abandonment."

Jennifer Murray purchased the Sullivan's Island beach house in 2006 for $3.65 million, according to county property records.

It was at the Sullivan's Island home, according to the complaint, that Murray allegedly abused his wife in November 2007. The six-page court filing says Murray "hit his wife in the face and then told her she was 'lucky he didn't kill her.' "

The complaint alleges that Murray physically abused his wife on more than one occasion during the marriage.

Bill Murray, a former "Saturday Night Live" cast member, has starred in films such as "Ghostbusters," "Caddyshack," "Meatballs," "Stripes" and "Groundhog Day." He was awarded a Golden Globe for Best Actor and was nominated for an Academy Award for his performance in "Lost in Translation."

Bill Murray's title with the RiverDogs is Director of Fun. He can be seen at the team's home field on any given night, according to the team Web site.

Murray also is a co-owner of Goldklang Group, a sports entertainment firm that represents the marketing and promotion rights for the RiverDogs and several other baseball teams.What an asshole. Just get a divorce and live alone. There is no excuse for this bull-shit.

Ringo
May 29th, 2008, 8:56 PM
Wanna know one of my favourite small time performances? The Dad from Home Alone's run in the first series of The Sopranos. Legend.

Ah, Makazian huh? Lovely stuff.

Jimmy Zero
May 29th, 2008, 11:59 PM
What an asshole. Just get a divorce and live alone. There is no excuse for this bull-shit.

Because we should always take these types of things at face value.

SideburnZ
May 30th, 2008, 2:13 AM
Beer-Belly enjoys molesting small children, is addicted to crack and frequently beats kittens. His gay boyfriend Emilio has informed a local paper that upon several occasions Beer-Belly has molested a small child WHILE high on crack and while punching a kitten.

More to come on this breaking story.



What an asshole...

Beer-Belly
May 30th, 2008, 2:27 AM
I hope it's all bull-shit. I love Bill Murray.

And leave Emilio out of this, burnZ.

Cactus Lem
May 30th, 2008, 9:30 AM
Ah, Makazian huh? Lovely stuff.

I can't remember his name, but he was Tony's cop on the inside.

Ringo
May 30th, 2008, 9:57 AM
Yep, that's him.

foleybumps
May 30th, 2008, 10:32 AM
Watched Awake last night. Good movie. That is all.

EDIT: Alba's got instantly hotter when it was revealed she was a villain.

Cactus Lem
May 30th, 2008, 10:45 AM
Yep, that's him.

Hell yeah.

I recommend Soylent Green. Watched it the other night, just a fun watch. I love 70's cinema anyway, but Charlton Heston beating on people is just kinda funny.

Jimmy Zero
May 30th, 2008, 10:53 AM
Charlton Heston has some pretty cool movies from the late-60's and 70's. I will always love Planet of the Apes.

foleybumps
May 30th, 2008, 10:59 AM
I honestly enjoyed every sequel to Planet of the Apes. I think there were like a few dozen, but for some reason I enjoyed them all.

Cactus Lem
May 30th, 2008, 11:47 AM
Charlton Heston has some pretty cool movies from the late-60's and 70's. I will always love Planet of the Apes.

The Omega Man is a lot of fun. Miles better than I Am Legend. Most modern day audiences wouldn't agree one bit, but it was stronger in just about every single way I think.

Ace Rockola
May 30th, 2008, 3:10 PM
With the ROH and WWE PPVs this weekend I wasn't too heart broken about my better half not being in town this weekend, I'll be busy and watching wrestling with my friends isn't on the top of her priority list.

Then I saw something that nearly made me jump for joy that she's not in town this weekend.

Sex and the City: The big gay movie!

We'd already had the discussion about this and I was told flat out that we'd be going opening night cause she had to see it. I was thinking it was still a few weeks off, now instead she's stuck going with her huge group of broads who love this shit.

The movie Gods are smiling on me today! Anyone else get to dodge this bullet?

I steal cable
May 30th, 2008, 3:26 PM
The Omega Man is a lot of fun. Miles better than I Am Legend. Most modern day audiences wouldn't agree one bit, but it was stronger in just about every single way I think.

The Omega Man is one of the most disappointing films I have ever fucking seen. Call me part of a modern day audience (whatever the hell that means) but you just can't have that kind of movie being rated a PG. The Omega Man is the one of the only 3 dvds I've ever given away for free (Thirteen being one of the others).

Mills
May 30th, 2008, 3:28 PM
My girlfriend told me that we were going to see SITC. I laughed at her and told her to have fun with her friends.

I steal cable
May 30th, 2008, 3:29 PM
ahahahahahahhahaha

your girlfriend

ajjahahahahahaha

Mills
May 30th, 2008, 3:45 PM
Pssh whatever, at least I'm not a common criminal who eats quiche and steals cable. You're like the Charlie Haas of the criminal world.

Hulkamaniac
May 30th, 2008, 3:55 PM
The movie Gods are smiling on me today! Anyone else get to dodge this bullet?

I had to go and see it today. Struck a deal for 5 blowjobs whenever I want and whichever films I want to go and see for the next month. It was just about worth it.


Am now hurtling towards the 400 DVD benchmark with the recent purchase of Kill Bill Vols 1 & 2 (despite not particularly liking them. Some films are for my benefit, some for the benefit of my collection), The War Zone and The English Patient.

I steal cable
May 30th, 2008, 4:15 PM
You're like the Charlie Haas of the criminal world.

What the hell are you talking about?


Am now hurtling towards the 400 DVD benchmark with the recent purchase of Kill Bill Vols 1 & 2 (despite not particularly liking them. Some films are for my benefit, some for the benefit of my collection), The War Zone and The English Patient.

They still don't have a special edition of Kill Bill 1+2, that makes me sad. I brought the Japanese special edition of Kill Bill 2 which came with a t-shirt, keyring and a cool coat for the first dvd but the whole thing just didn't feel right.

Kill Bill will always have a special place in my heart, the first Tarantino film I ever watched at the cinema.

Cactus Lem
May 30th, 2008, 6:28 PM
The Omega Man is one of the most disappointing films I have ever fucking seen. Call me part of a modern day audience (whatever the hell that means) but you just can't have that kind of movie being rated a PG. The Omega Man is the one of the only 3 dvds I've ever given away for free (Thirteen being one of the others).

What didn't you like about it? It's dated production values are just part of the fun of it for me, but I can see why others would be put off of it due to that.



Am now hurtling towards the 400 DVD benchmark with the recent purchase of Kill Bill Vols 1 & 2 (despite not particularly liking them. Some films are for my benefit, some for the benefit of my collection), The War Zone and The English Patient.

Taking advantage of 2 for 10 Miramax deal I see Mik....

Hulkamaniac
May 30th, 2008, 7:22 PM
Aye. Was surprised how nice a collection it was, considering the Weinsteins are a pair of cunts.

Jimmy Zero
May 30th, 2008, 7:25 PM
I honestly enjoyed every sequel to Planet of the Apes. I think there were like a few dozen, but for some reason I enjoyed them all.

Other than the last one, I think the sequels are all awesome. Yeah, they're cheesy, but so what? Conquest of the Planet of the Apes is probably my favorite one. Actually, I'd probably rank them thusly, in terms of favorite to least favorite:

Conquest
Beneath
Planet
Escape From
Battle For (this one was a complete throw away piece of shit, in fairness)

H2K
May 31st, 2008, 10:44 PM
Just watched Resident Evil: Extinction on Blu-ray. Crap obviously, but what was really annoying is how they blurred Milla's face smooth in every close-up. Looked horrible, and so unnecessary.

VanillaJello
May 31st, 2008, 11:16 PM
Saw The Strangers last night...

Was ok for what it was...

But really... how in the world does a movie like that actually get made?

Director: So Mr. Suite... my movie is going to be about three random people that kill the two main characters for no reason at all and then leave in the morning... the end.

Suite: Awesome...

Director: Awesome...

Thirteen
May 31st, 2008, 11:27 PM
Despite it being popular to say horror movies are based on a true story, The Strangers is actually loosely based on an actual true story. Just substitue a family instead of a couple. The story as it stands is pretty damn creepy.

http://www.cabin28.com/

VanillaJello
June 1st, 2008, 12:30 AM
Hmm... that's very very very loosely tied to that Cabin 28 case...

Infact, other than a random murder... what do they have in common... at all?

If anything, I thought it was based on Manson and his band of followers doing random killings multiple times... hence the "first time" line at the end.

Cactus Lem
June 4th, 2008, 2:23 PM
Has anyone here seen Dances With Wolves? Is it actually any good?

I watched Goodfellas for about the 10th time the other day, and was taking a look at what Oscars it got nominated for, and I saw Dances With Wolves won an absolute fuck load that year. I was rather shocked to see Costner took Best Actor since I've never seen anything in the guy, and to take Best Director over Scorsese that year, as well as Best Picture, I'm thinking the movie must either be something extra special, or an Acadmey style jizz fest. I expect the later.

Ringo
June 4th, 2008, 2:28 PM
Dances With Wolves is pretty good really. I love the soundtrack and the scenery. Nothing SPECTACULAR or anything, and it probably didn't deserve all those Oscars, but a nice film and one I'd probably watch were it to come on TV.

Cactus Lem
June 4th, 2008, 2:34 PM
Dances With Wolves is pretty good really. I love the soundtrack and the scenery. Nothing SPECTACULAR or anything, and it probably didn't deserve all those Oscars, but a nice film and one I'd probably watch were it to come on TV.

Is Kevin Costener actually good in it? In the five or so films I've seen him in I've always thought he was pretty bland really.

Filed of Dreams for example. I cannot stand that film.

Ringo
June 4th, 2008, 4:48 PM
Eh, he's alright. Nothing astounding really. He's not the best actor in the world, let's say that much.

Just watched MACHINE GIRL and it is of course mental but amazing.

Lots of laugh out loud moments and just great fun all round. Madness.

The music is great too.

DRILL BRA~!

Beer-Belly
June 4th, 2008, 5:23 PM
Is it a little more relenting than Ichi the Killer? I love Ichi, but I can only stand so much rape and mutilation. The gore is great but the Yakuza brutality is too much to stomach. It's like, I get the point: the Yakuza are merciless people. Point made loud and clear. I'd rather watch Ichi's character. He's got the most interesting story by far.

Jimmy Zero
June 4th, 2008, 5:27 PM
I thought Ichi the Killer was super gay. It astounds me that people like that movie, however the part where he kicks that guys face off was pretty damn awesome.

Did the same guy that did Oldboy do Ichi? They seem stylistically similar. Oldboy is where it's at.

Ringo
June 4th, 2008, 5:36 PM
Is it a little more relenting than Ichi the Killer? I love Ichi, but I can only stand so much rape and mutilation. The gore is great but the Yakuza brutality is too much to stomach. It's like, I get the point: the Yakuza are merciless people. Point made loud and clear. I'd rather watch Ichi's character. He's got the most interesting story by far.

Oh yeah, it's pretty different. This is totally mad. Ichi is far more serious than this one. The "gore" is just funny for the most part. Much more enjoyable to watch than Ichi.

Beer-Belly
June 4th, 2008, 6:18 PM
I thought Ichi the Killer was super gay. It astounds me that people like that movie, however the part where he kicks that guys face off was pretty damn awesome.

Did the same guy that did Oldboy do Ichi? They seem stylistically similar. Oldboy is where it's at.

Takashi Miike made Ichi the Killer. Park Chan-wook made Oldboy.

Ichi's story is the best part. An unstable man-child prone to exploding into chaotic fits of violence gets exploited and manipulated by the police department. The Yakuza stuff is just... there. I was hoping for Ichi to go Rambo on everyone that messed with his head.

Oldboy has it's moments. Then there were long stretches where I got bored. The hammer scene is legendary.

Ringo
June 4th, 2008, 6:24 PM
I thought Ichi the Killer was super gay. It astounds me that people like that movie, however the part where he kicks that guys face off was pretty damn awesome.

Did the same guy that did Oldboy do Ichi? They seem stylistically similar. Oldboy is where it's at.

Oldboy isn't even Japanese.

So... yeah.

Cactus Lem
June 4th, 2008, 7:04 PM
Just got done watching Eastern Promises, what an awesome film. Cold, calculated, and certainly kept me guessing throughout. Love the style, and I really like Kronenber's obvious motivations as a film maker, especially in regard to his central characters and the impact of violence upon them, as well as the way in which he presents and deals with the family structure. Excellent film, just a tad better than A History of Violence if you ask me.

Hulkamaniac
June 4th, 2008, 7:27 PM
And me.

Ringo
June 4th, 2008, 7:29 PM
I like it more than HOV, which is saying something.

Russians are fucking brilliant people, they really are.

Jimmy Zero
June 4th, 2008, 7:32 PM
Oldboy isn't even Japanese.

So... yeah.

So...what? That's why I asked. I don't know anything about those movies beyond having seen them. Excuse me.

Cactus Lem
June 4th, 2008, 7:34 PM
I like it more than HOV, which is saying something.

Russians are fucking brilliant people, they really are.

Says the Chelsea fan.

Gotta think Vincnt Cassell didn't get enough praise for his performance there as well. Great actor that bloke.

Ringo
June 4th, 2008, 7:36 PM
Says the Chelsea fan.


Exactly.

And Cassell was great.

I steal cable
June 4th, 2008, 7:46 PM
What didn't you like about it? It's dated production values are just part of the fun of it for me, but I can see why others would be put off of it due to that.

How it was filmed didn't bother me one bit. The story was the one thing that pissed me off the most about this film. I haven't seen it in ages so I can't really argure my point. Also my structured arguments just end up the same way, me telling the other person to fuck off.

I just remember hating this film and everything about it.

I steal cable
June 5th, 2008, 12:48 PM
Eh, he's alright. Nothing astounding really. He's not the best actor in the world, let's say that much.

Just watched MACHINE GIRL and it is of course mental but amazing.

Lots of laugh out loud moments and just great fun all round. Madness.

The music is great too.

DRILL BRA~!

hahahahahahaha just watched that now

Unfortunately the version I d/l was English dubbed.

Bloody funny film though, thoroughly entertaining.

I'm gonna go to Marks and Spencers to see if they have the Drill Bra in stock.

Hulkamaniac
June 5th, 2008, 1:54 PM
I'm applying to do an MA in Film Studies so as to be able to college lecture, just got a letter through the post for one of them asking me to write a 1500 word analysis of a film that I've seen recently as part of the application process. Question is...which do I pick? At the moment I'm thinking between:

Atonement
The Prestige
Memento
Children of Men


What do you reckon?

Ringo
June 5th, 2008, 1:57 PM
hahahahahahaha just watched that now

Unfortunately the version I d/l was English dubbed.


Same here, but that somehow made it even more amazing. The voice of the Dad who she sprayed with blood in the bath was brilliant.

FILM OF 2008.

RockOverBoston
June 5th, 2008, 1:57 PM
If I'm you, Mik, then it's "Atonement", and I don't need to ask the masses.

Ringo
June 5th, 2008, 1:59 PM
Atonement would be the best option out of those four I reckon.

Obviously There Will Be Blood would be the perfect choice though.

Cactus Lem
June 5th, 2008, 2:02 PM
I'm applying to do an MA in Film Studies so as to be able to college lecture, just got a letter through the post for one of them asking me to write a 1500 word analysis of a film that I've seen recently as part of the application process. Question is...which do I pick? At the moment I'm thinking between:

Atonement
The Prestige
Memento
Children of Men


What do you reckon?

Personally I'd use Children of Men, as I think that socially there's a lot that can be spoken about around the content and the whole meaning of the film.

Plus there's the innovation of the way in which the movie is shot at certain points, and the epic set structure.

Hulkamaniac
June 5th, 2008, 6:32 PM
All of them would be fascinating. Could even add 'The Machinist' to the list too.

Do you think that it'll count against me if I do two and send them both in? Or 5?

I steal cable
June 5th, 2008, 6:48 PM
1500 words don't seem that much.

You should do a paper on Meet the Spartans and how spoof movies have gone down the shitter in recent times.

Guy
June 5th, 2008, 7:25 PM
1500 words don't seem that much.

You should do a paper on Meet the Spartans and how spoof movies have gone down the shitter in recent times.

He could basically copy and paste the entire "Superhero Movie" thread