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The Doc
April 5th, 2008, 6:57 AM
I didn't know the idea had talking dinosaurs. See that's retarded. I'm able to accept that the books are done though and the Hollywood writers are on there own.

Like I said before I've watched countless monster, hero, spy, war, horror flicks with roughly the same plot. I don't always need something original and brilliant like the Prestige or Thank You for Smoking. I have time in my life for Kiss of the Dragon (Jet Li fights Identical Twins at the end, there might be more to the movie to that I don't know) and Crank (Jason Statham has to keep his adrenaline pumping for 90 minutes. I like dinosaurs. Jurrassic Park 4 will put my but in a seat unless it's just blatantly obvious that it's horrible from the commercials.

Thirteen
April 5th, 2008, 9:51 AM
Now there's talk of Steven Spielberg hopping back on board for the fourth movie, ignoring that the third movie happened, and using Grant and Sadler as the main idea, which was the original idea behind the third one, but after delays and rewrites, and people leaving, got trashed all to hell.

If Spielberg is back on board, and has something to do with this, I'm a little bit more confident with it.

Organasm
April 6th, 2008, 10:34 AM
DVDVR's Best of the 90's list only has Fist Of Legend and Drunken Master II higher than OUATIC.
:hyper: This one was so fucking great. It's actually a remake of Bruce Lee's Fist Of Fury but what Jet Li lacks in Lee's charisma and face that looks like it wants to break you half, is made up for by just being a better film in practically every other aspect. And if you're not one for the subtitles the English dub that BBC used was totally acceptable.

Here's the first fight scene, where a bunch of Japanese come to kick the Chinese boy out of school (Li), and they only get longer and better as they go along climaxing with one of the best I've ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyDgkiZb9Aw

PurePlayer
April 6th, 2008, 4:30 PM
I just saw The Ruins the other night, and I have to say that it was a pretty good horror movie. It looked interesting from the previews, but usually horror movies don't tend to be as good as they seem. This film actually surprised me.

Thirteen
April 6th, 2008, 5:35 PM
The book was pretty good, but with the last couple of horror movies I went to see in the theaters leaving a bad taste in my mouth, I think I'll just wait until it comes out on DVD.

thetony
April 6th, 2008, 5:44 PM
Doomsday. :no:

Thirteen the movie: :yes:

Thirteen
April 6th, 2008, 5:53 PM
But I'm not as sexy as Rhona Mitra in leather.

thetony
April 6th, 2008, 5:54 PM
ahah not quite.

Ace Rockola
April 7th, 2008, 3:32 AM
Got to see a Hard Days Night on the big screen last night. Such an excellent movie. While obviously the Fab Four were the stars, but the little old man who plays Paul's grandpa steals the show several times.

Now I just wish I could get my hands on a copy of the Let it Be film.

Hulkamaniac
April 8th, 2008, 12:20 PM
Bought Rescue Dawn today.

JP
April 8th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Making my way through Ugly Betty series 1, fucking loving it.

Hobbit
April 8th, 2008, 12:49 PM
Saw Wild Things 2 earlier.

Amazing.

Bits
April 8th, 2008, 12:55 PM
Just started watching Avatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender) bout mid-way through Season 2. Fucking fantastic show. Anime has always intrigued me, but it's always seemed a bit too weird and non-sensecial for the most part so i've never bothered. Avatar is pretty much everything I wanted from it, funny, interesting stories and brilliantly epic action.


Also just watched Battle Royale which I'd always wanted to see. Really enjoyed it, pretty silly in pretty much every respect but exactly what I was expecting just a really entertaining film.

Bits
April 8th, 2008, 12:57 PM
Saw Wild Things 2 earlier.

Amazing.

Does Neve Campbell finally get her tits out?

Hobbit
April 8th, 2008, 1:01 PM
She's not in it. The far superior Susan Ward is.

Bits
April 8th, 2008, 1:03 PM
WHO?

Hobbit
April 8th, 2008, 1:04 PM
Susan Ward mate.

Bits
April 8th, 2008, 1:14 PM
Does she get her tits out?

Hobbit
April 8th, 2008, 1:27 PM
Yes but the camera is behind her. It's somewhat infuriating.

On a somewhat more serious note, I've got The Orphanage and REC to scare the shit out of me sometime later on/this week. I'm hearing some really good things about REC but my acquired version doesn't have English subtitles :(

I steal cable
April 8th, 2008, 1:55 PM
I finally watched Bullitt the other day. The only time I'd ever seen parts of the famous car chase was on those fucking awful 'BEST MOVIE BITS EVER LIKE EVER' shows. The film itself weren't all that but it was nice to see the full car chase scene without some talking head popping up giving some shite opinion about what they thought.

I now like to pretend that my 1l Yaris is a 1968 Ford Mustang when going to Sainsbury's for the weekly shop. VROOOOOOOOM

Cactus Lem
April 8th, 2008, 2:12 PM
Bought Rescue Dawn today.

I had no idea it was out on DVD yet. I'll be purchasing it pretty soon. Been wanting to see it for a while now.

Ringo
April 9th, 2008, 2:28 PM
Same here. Herzog + Bale just can't be anything but a winning combination.

Slare
April 9th, 2008, 4:02 PM
Just watched Oldboy for the first time followed by Children of Men for the 8/9th time.

I know people babble on about it on here a lot, but Children of Men really is phenomenal. Just the little things, like Owen wearing the 'London 2012' fleece and the like. I love it.

Oldboy was amazing too. The twist hit me about 5 minutes before it happening, but it didn't hinder my enjoyment at all. it was lovely to see everything come together, and the ending is brilliant.

Think I fancy watching Hard Candy now, as Ellen Page looks like one of my exes and gives me a hard on.
Anyone seen it?

Vice
April 9th, 2008, 4:05 PM
Hard Candy was very enjoyable, SLARE.

I approve of it.

Cactus Lem
April 9th, 2008, 5:13 PM
Same here. Herzog + Bale just can't be anything but a winning combination.

Saw it in Sainsburys today, £14. Think I'll wait till it's down to about £7. Give it 2 or 3 months.

Seen any other Herzog movies then?

Ringo
April 9th, 2008, 5:16 PM
Aye, a fair few. He's my favouritest.

Have you seen White Diamond?

Cactus Lem
April 10th, 2008, 7:01 AM
I've not seen any of his stuff, but have only heard good things.

Fro
April 10th, 2008, 1:33 PM
Primary Colors is a pretty great flick. It's been on HBO just about everyday for the last two weeks and I frequently can't resist flipping to it.

Pete Cash
April 11th, 2008, 11:10 AM
man has vonnegut become overrated since he died..

Funny author but hardly ground breaking. Also everytime I read slaughter-house five I get annoyed by the moron using David Irvings figures.

Pete Cash
April 11th, 2008, 11:15 AM
true story i judge people based on who they say their favourite author is.

awesome guy: nabokov or pynchon
probably a bit too serious: joyce or faulkner
pretty average: orwell and vonnegut
could be alright if you never speak of writing with them: Tolkien or any other high fantasy author
DO NOT BECOME FRIENDS WITH: Rowlings and dan brown.
this person should die: ayn rand.

Hulkamaniac
April 11th, 2008, 2:16 PM
Still reading Rand's The Fountainhead (had to give up for a while cos I lost a bet, but then I started again cos i won a bet). I find the style to be frustrating, although the book is still interesting enough. Her narrative is so plodding though. She's certainly no Tolkien, Brown or Rowlings.

Slare
April 11th, 2008, 2:34 PM
:lol:

Hulkamaniac
April 11th, 2008, 2:51 PM
I feel bad for mixing Tolkien in the ranks of Rand, Brown and Rowling just for the comedy gag for Pete.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 8:47 AM
ayn rand is worse than tolkien, dan brown and rowlings placed in a blender and spewed out onto a bit of paper telling the story of a foppy intellectual who attends a school for wizards and has "close" relationships with other males.

im sorry but one third of atlas shrugged is a speech. thats fucking weak shit. its like a really bad episode of south park where stan and kyle are all like, "i learned something today" and john galt just doesnt shut the fuck up.

ive never ever heard of a chick who is so into rape as that ayn rand. what a fucking psychopath who fucked the first guy to look at her sideways when she arrived in america to get a greencard and then fucked the best looking of her cultist.

i mean there is supposed to be a movie of this shit in production. what are they going to do with that speech just have brad pitt stand up there and blab on for three hours about why being a selfish faggot is good for society.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 8:58 AM
accurate parody.

http://ystig.com/telemachussneezed.html


Telemachus Sneezed deals with a time in the near future when we dirty, filthy, freaky, lazy, dope-smoking, frantic-fucking anarchists have brought Law and Order to a nervous collapse in America'. The heroine, Taffy Rhinestone, is, like Atlanta was once herself, a member of Women's Liberation and a believer in socialism, anarchism, free abortions and the charisma of Che. Then comes the rude awakening: food riots, industrial stagnation, a reign of lawless looting and plunder, everything George Wallace ever warned us against� but the Supreme Court, who are all anarchists with names ending in -stein or -farb or -berger (there is no overt anti-Semitism in the book), keeps repealing laws and taking away the rights of policemen. Finally, in the fifth chapter� the climax of Book One� the heroine, poor toughy Taffy, gets raped fifteen times by an oversexed black brute right out of The Birth of a Nation, while a group of cops stand by cursing, wringing their hands and frothing at the mouth because the Supreme Court rulings won't allow them to take any action.

and


In Book Two, which takes place a few years later, things have degenerated even further and factory pollution has been replaced by a thick layer of marijuana smoke hanging over the country. The Supreme Court is gone, butchered by LSD crazed Mau-Maus who mistook them for a meeting of the Washington chapter of the Policemen's Benevolent Association. The President and a shadowy government-in-exile are skulking about Montreal, living a gloomy emigre existence; the Blind Tigers, a rather thinly disguised caricature of the Black Panthers, are terrorizing white women everywhere from Bangor to Walla Walla; the crazy anarchists are forcing abortions on women whether they want them or not; and television shows nothing but Maoist propaganda and Danish stag films. Women, of course, are the worst sufferers in this blightmare, and, despite all her karate lessons, Taffy has been raped so many times, not only by standard vage-pen but orally and anally as well, that she's practically a walking sperm bank. Then comes the big surprise, the monstro-rape to end all rapes, committed by a pure Aryan with hollow cheeks, a long lean body, and a face that never changes expression. "Everything is fire," he tells her, as he pulls his prick out afterwards, "and don't you ever forget it." Then he disappears.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 9:02 AM
as a writer she has no creative or philosophical value. i mean you probably want to have at least one of those.

Hulkamaniac
April 12th, 2008, 9:47 AM
I havent read Atlas Shrugged. Make your rantings more applicable to me.

Jimmy Zero
April 12th, 2008, 9:57 AM
ayn rand is worse than tolkien, dan brown and rowlings placed in a blender and spewed out onto a bit of paper telling the story of a foppy intellectual who attends a school for wizards and has "close" relationships with other males.

im sorry but one third of atlas shrugged is a speech. thats fucking weak shit. its like a really bad episode of south park where stan and kyle are all like, "i learned something today" and john galt just doesnt shut the fuck up.

ive never ever heard of a chick who is so into rape as that ayn rand. what a fucking psychopath who fucked the first guy to look at her sideways when she arrived in america to get a greencard and then fucked the best looking of her cultist.

i mean there is supposed to be a movie of this shit in production. what are they going to do with that speech just have brad pitt stand up there and blab on for three hours about why being a selfish faggot is good for society.

This is, with out a doubt, the best and most accurate description of Ayn Rand I've ever seen. Kudos to you, sir.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 10:28 AM
I havent read Atlas Shrugged. Make your rantings more applicable to me.

i am Howard Roark and i am a damn fine architect, i dont play by any rules but my own. YOU MUST LEAVE ARCHITECT SCHOOL because you wont play by our rules.

fuck your rules, my rules are the best therefore altruism sucks and being a selfish jerk rules. oh and rape, rape, rape, rape.

you son of a bitch peter, this wasnt the design i the best architect who ever lived HOWARD ROARK decided on. I am going to explode this building.

Now I am arrested and hated by everyone. time to rand it up a bit in court.

NOT GUITLY!

BUILD ONE LAST MONUMENT HOWARD ROARK, BUILD IT TO THE MOON. SHOW THE WORLD THAT YOU WERE RIGHT.

sure thing mr wynard i am sorry i stole your fiancé that i raped earlier in the novel and who is now my woman because thats what a woman needs. rape.

the end

also howard roark is a great architect and peter, peter why the hell are you not fucking that woman peter. altruism will get you nowhere and now you are a failure... god why werent you fucking howard roark the greatest architect who ever did live and build.

what a fucking pile of shit.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 10:30 AM
sorry if i have "spoilt" that for anyone.

Thirteen
April 12th, 2008, 10:35 AM
I watched Gone Baby Gone last night. It was directed by Ben Affleck, starring Casey Affleck, Ed Harris, and Morgan Freeman.

The story is pretty good and captivating. There are parts that are a little confusing and come off as both rushed and unbelievable. It also reminds me of Man on Fire with Denzel Washington.

The acting is great from Casey Affleck, Michelle Monaghan, and Ed Harris are spectacular, specifically Ed Harris. Morgan Freeman, in a very small role, also does a good job, as usual. In the beginning, there are parts of what Casey Affleck is saying that I can't understand, thanks to the thick Boston accent, but I don't know if I got used to it, or he dropped it down some.

It's a good movie, and I would suggest giving it a watch.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 10:41 AM
the iliad by homer

i am Glaukos grandson of Bellerophon i will fight anyone. look at me in my grand armour.

holy smokes i am Diomedes and my grandfather Oeneus was pals with bellerophon. we must swap armour.

oh noes why did i wear such fancy armour :(

worse than rand.

Hulkamaniac
April 12th, 2008, 10:50 AM
i am Howard Roark and i am a damn fine architect, i dont play by any rules but my own. YOU MUST LEAVE ARCHITECT SCHOOL because you wont play by our rules.

fuck your rules, my rules are the best therefore altruism sucks and being a selfish jerk rules. oh and rape, rape, rape, rape.

you son of a bitch peter, this wasnt the design i the best architect who ever lived HOWARD ROARK decided on. I am going to explode this building.

Now I am arrested and hated by everyone. time to rand it up a bit in court.

NOT GUITLY!

BUILD ONE LAST MONUMENT HOWARD ROARK, BUILD IT TO THE MOON. SHOW THE WORLD THAT YOU WERE RIGHT.

sure thing mr wynard i am sorry i stole your fiancé that i raped earlier in the novel and who is now my woman because thats what a woman needs. rape.

the end

also howard roark is a great architect and peter, peter why the hell are you not fucking that woman peter. altruism will get you nowhere and now you are a failure... god why werent you fucking howard roark the greatest architect who ever did live and build.

what a fucking pile of shit.

Strange, you seem to see Roark as the bad guy. I see him as the most likeable guy in the novel.

Still, you went and fucking spoiled the book for me, didnt you?


sorry if i have "spoilt" that for anyone.

I accept your apology. I know that it came from a good place.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 10:57 AM
of course roark is the bad guy, cause rand wants him to be the good guy.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 11:16 AM
the odyssey by homer.

i wish i wasnt such a fucking pansy and could rid my house of these men. if only some dues ex mac...

oh hello im the goddess Athena disguised as someone, i will pop up at random through out the book in different disguises. anyways i think Odysseus has done his time let him return home. his faggot of a son aint gonna fix that mess.

psst im in a disguise again anyway telemarchus this is what needs to be done, im now disguised as telemarchus and ive got a ship, im now disguised as mentor.

Hey, Odysseus thanks for blinding that Cyclops Polyphemus have a bag of wind.

here are some giants (Laestrygonians) to really fuck you up now. how very lucky your ship was the only one to escape :rolleyes:

Circe she seems alright, i dont seem any harm in eating oh god the men have been turned into pigs, they have been turned into pigs.

Odysseus how can you fight a goddess, oh by chance here is god hermes to give you some magic. also shes gonna ask to fuck, but just becareful ok.

now they are in love. for one year.

skip ahead quite a few pages... its just boring shit like monsters and sirens.

oh look telemarchus and Odysseus have met up. now they plan on killing the suitors. anyways athena does some magic and something involving an archery contest (where Odysseus was the only one strong enough to draw the bow) which Odysseus wins.

he then kills the suitors with his bow and arrow. they then HANG 12 maids who had fucked the suitors, they then mutilate an old goatherd because he had been mean.

still after this that crazy bitch penelope doesnt believe that it is Odysseus. listen he just killed 108 men in about a second, hanged 12 rape victims and butchered an old man. if he isnt your husband he will do.

she asks some gay question about the construction of a bed and then they are all happy and it shows the moon and the moon winks at the audience cause the moon is really athena in a disguise.

oh and then all the other people in Ithaca are like Odysseus you fucking killed two generations of men here and they are about to fight and athena shows up and says cut. it. out and they live happily ever after.

i hate those epic poems so much.

Pete Cash
April 12th, 2008, 11:17 AM
anyway who unironically likes the iliad and the odyssey is a mental. the odyssey especially is just filled with GODS FIXING IT everytime a problem happens.

Hulkamaniac
April 12th, 2008, 11:46 AM
of course roark is the bad guy, cause rand wants him to be the good guy.

Nah, he's quite likeable really mate. Only interesting character in the book really.


I love The Illiad and The Odyssey, particularly the way that the Gods pop in and out of the story. With that said, in your little synopsis there you made it sound AMAZING.

N.E.R.F.
April 12th, 2008, 5:19 PM
Just watched The Marine. :lol: basically.

Iliad is great too.

Ace Rockola
April 12th, 2008, 6:39 PM
Anyone here give a crap about the Clone Wars movie coming out this summer? Or are you like me and think Lucas has just over flooded the market and none of it is even interesting anymore?

Jimmy Zero
April 12th, 2008, 6:42 PM
I didn't even know he had something coming out. Is this that animated thing I heard about awhile ago?

Regardless, my response to that is: more Star Wars stuff? Really?

Ace Rockola
April 12th, 2008, 6:49 PM
Yep. Animated movie, in theaters, in August. Trailer is up on AICN.

I really do want to care. But I just can't.

mth
April 12th, 2008, 6:54 PM
Is it like those episodes they were showing on Cartoon Network awhile back?

Bits
April 12th, 2008, 7:21 PM
It's the same art style but in 3D. It's a setup for the contiuation of the series.

Personally I still love Star Wars, and from the trailer for this it looks pretty awesome, should be worth it for the battle scenes if nothing else.

TapOut
April 14th, 2008, 5:17 AM
I just watched "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" for the first time. I've been meaning to watch it for ages now.

Fantastic movie, but the ending I felt was truly awful.

Hulkamaniac
April 14th, 2008, 5:45 AM
In what way?

TapOut
April 14th, 2008, 5:57 AM
Well, the chief I guess was an important part of the film, but I felt he was more of a side-story. In my mind at least, the way he killed off Nicholson's character and then left sort of made me think the character build wasn't as good as it could have been, and well.. I didn't like Nicholson suddenly becoming a drugged-up patient who gets killed off.

That's not a great explanation, I know, but I was waiting for something throughout the film and that certainly wasn't it. I was really enjoying the move and the plot, I was laughing out loud in spots and the acting was great, but then the end gets here and I'm just sort of like "oh."

Hulkamaniac
April 14th, 2008, 6:06 AM
It doesnt sound like you properly understood the film, particularly the ending. I dont have time to help you out with it I'm afraid, hopefully someone else will.

TapOut
April 14th, 2008, 6:19 AM
It's quite possible I didn't. I understood the reason for the chief killing off the character as an act of humanity because Nicholson's character in no way would have wanted to be a drugged-up psych-ward patient... eh, I don't know. Some movies seem to have endings that tie everything in the film together and you just turn the movie off satisfied, and others seem to have these sudden endings that sort of make you feel like they hit the brakes right in the middle of great progression. I guess that's how I felt about this one. Maybe I just wanted the loonies to win, who knows.

Cactus Lem
April 14th, 2008, 6:43 AM
It's quite possible I didn't. I understood the reason for the chief killing off the character as an act of humanity because Nicholson's character in no way would have wanted to be a drugged-up psych-ward patient... eh, I don't know. Some movies seem to have endings that tie everything in the film together and you just turn the movie off satisfied, and others seem to have these sudden endings that sort of make you feel like they hit the brakes right in the middle of great progression. I guess that's how I felt about this one. Maybe I just wanted the loonies to win, who knows.

I thought the ending was great. The film was basically making comment on the state of mental hospitals during the 60's, and the harsh treatments that where put on paitents if they where seen as misbehaving and acting in an out of control manner.

The Labotomy situation with Nicholson at the end had me in utter shock, and it worked so well due to Nicholson pretending to have been given a labotomy earlier in the film. What the ending is saying is the labotomy was the easy way out, and the wrong way out, as its basically the death penalty since you have your humainity completley taken away from you. The Cheif's reaction summed that up perfectly well.

I think the sudden manner you speak of TapOut was intended, the suddenness of the whole situation certainly surprised me, but it works incredibly well in shocking the audience.

Jimmy Zero
April 14th, 2008, 9:14 AM
Well, the chief I guess was an important part of the film, but I felt he was more of a side-story. In my mind at least, the way he killed off Nicholson's character and then left sort of made me think the character build wasn't as good as it could have been, and well.. I didn't like Nicholson suddenly becoming a drugged-up patient who gets killed off.

That's not a great explanation, I know, but I was waiting for something throughout the film and that certainly wasn't it. I was really enjoying the move and the plot, I was laughing out loud in spots and the acting was great, but then the end gets here and I'm just sort of like "oh."

Read the book. It makes way more sense that way. The Chief is actually one of the most important characters in that story.

Good movie, but as an adaptation to a great book, I feel it comes up short.

TapOut
April 14th, 2008, 9:50 AM
Aye, will have to do that. I read "The Shining" ages ago, I've been needing to read another novel that a movie was based on. This will be it.

Jimmy Zero
April 14th, 2008, 10:04 AM
I think the story works way better as a novel. The Chief is the narrator and the narration is basically happening in his head. You know, like he's thinking to himself. There's a lot that's in the novel that helps shed light on the characters that's lost in the translation to the movie because it's simply not possible to tell the story the same way.

You'll like it.

thetony
April 14th, 2008, 6:56 PM
Read the book. It makes way more sense that way. The Chief is actually one of the most important characters in that story.

Good movie, but as an adaptation to a great book, I feel it comes up short.

I'm pretty sure it's in the chief's point of view, rather than Jack's, so it was pretty essential for them to inclue the chief and his side of the story. I read the book a long time ago, good stuff.

Jimmy Zero
April 14th, 2008, 7:12 PM
Didja see the post I made right above yours?

thetony
April 14th, 2008, 7:23 PM
Ay, that I did. Not until I posted it though, and I was lazy to edit it out. GOOD BOOK THOUGH.

Jimmy Zero
April 14th, 2008, 7:31 PM
It is a good book. I also thought the book did a better job of portraying the head nurse as a sadistic bitch.

thetony
April 14th, 2008, 7:34 PM
The actor they chose for her in the movie was spot on though, you have to admit. She's a character you literally want to tear the eyes out of.

Cactus Lem
April 14th, 2008, 7:36 PM
Her peformace didn't seem Oscar worthy to me though. Was good for what it was, but I really didn't think it was anything extra special.

Jimmy Zero
April 14th, 2008, 7:51 PM
The actor they chose for her in the movie was spot on though, you have to admit. She's a character you literally want to tear the eyes out of.

No doubt. She did a great job, but she didn't play it how I'd interpreted her in the book. I mean, it's not a major knock on the movie or anything, but she wasn't quite the foil for MacMurphy I thought she should have been.

SheltonLondon
April 15th, 2008, 9:59 PM
Thinking of checking out that REC film, if that's what it's called, scoured the usual sources for reviews and looks pretty well thought of.

Was just wondering what the views are of some of the people on here.

Hulkamaniac
April 15th, 2008, 10:01 PM
MY views are that people should go and see either Son of Rambow, or In Bruges.

SheltonLondon
April 15th, 2008, 10:08 PM
In Bruges the new Colin Farrell flick? If so, saw the advert at the pictures the other day, looks pretty good.

Ace Rockola
April 15th, 2008, 10:10 PM
In Bruges is fucking great stuff.

Son of Rambow I'm dying to see. Missed it at the Seattle International Film Fest last summer.

Hulkamaniac
April 15th, 2008, 10:32 PM
Yes.

Ace Rockola
April 16th, 2008, 2:51 AM
Yesterday I went to the mutliplex and saw whatever was starting soonest I hadn't seen and didn't look like total garbage. Watched Smart People. I can't for the life of me remember a film being as quickly forgetful as that was.

I do recall the combined screen time she had in the movie with the Sex and the City trailer on top of it made me question how they get that horse Sarah Jessica Parker to talk like a human.

Hulkamaniac
April 16th, 2008, 7:32 AM
I watched Harsh Times the other day. It was absolute horse-shit. I genuinely dont know what Bale was doing starring and producing this film. The script was awful, the plot was non-existent, the only thing that redeemed it whatsoever was Bale being incredibly intense, while spewing some of the worst dialogue you've ever heard.

Vice
April 16th, 2008, 7:47 AM
I definitely agree with you, Mik. First time 'round, I thought it was pretty damn bad. I didn't give it 100% of my attention while watching, so I figured I must have missed something. Waited a few days and watched it all, paying close attention to everything and realized there was nothing to really pay attention to.

From what I remember, half the movie Bale talks like a Mexican and half he just talks like your typical white folk. It's like halfway through filming, they figured something wasn't working and decided to switch it up, so random scenes have random dialects and whatnot. Very odd. Perhaps I don't remember it (for good reason), or maybe I'm getting it confused with another movie.

Either way, it was pretty shit and taints an otherwise remarkable string of films for Bale.

Note: I've only seen bits and pieces of The New World, but I thought he was pretty good from what I saw of it.

Hulkamaniac
April 16th, 2008, 7:53 AM
Oh yeah, he's excellent in that. Short role though.

Ironically, having researched into Harsh Times, its fairly reasonable and realistic. Posts from people who live in or near that environment say thats how people speak, thats what they say, thats how they act. Bale deliberately acts in two different ways, one is the complete wigger who lives in South Central Los Angeles. The other is the military man, with an army background desperate to impress his FBI superiors. The common thread is that they are both drawn together by the fact that he's completely unhinged. Its not a bad or clumsy performance from Bale, he never steps out of those two characters when interacting with the people those individual characters would interact with, in the way that he'd interact with them. Its maybe only strange to see Bale acting like that, but its certainly not bad acting, its a deliberate decision. Its just horribly directed (for a director who actually WANTS him to act like that), its horribly scripted (from a writer who WANTS him to say those lines) and its completely and utterly plotless.

Its a very specific film that would only appeal to a very limited audience, which truly makes me wonder why it ever got made.

Vice
April 16th, 2008, 8:03 AM
If it came off like I was knocking Bale, I apologize for not being clear. Wigger or military man, I thought his acting was quite good. It was no Machinist or anything, but he more than got the job done with the shitty script he had. Like you said, he was quite intense and he did a great job of making it believable.

I steal cable
April 16th, 2008, 10:01 AM
My god I think I've just watched one of the worst films ever made just now on Sky Action. Twas called Ninja Dragons (IMDB has it as Magic Kid) and it was awful. Basically it was this 10 year old kid going around beating up gangsters and gang members, none of which carried guns.

For some reason I can't explain I sat through all 90 mins of it.

N.E.R.F.
April 16th, 2008, 1:08 PM
I quite liked Harsh Times. Nothing special at all but a decent film with a good performance from Bale, as usual.

Cactus Lem
April 16th, 2008, 3:28 PM
MY views are that people should go and see either Son of Rambow, or In Bruges.

How did you find Son of Rambow Mik?

I saw it last week, thought it was a good laugh, and kinda tocuhing. Probably the best British film on release since This Is England. Very different films, but had some similar plot devices, what with the lack of a father figure for both kids in the lead role, and the exploration of weird subcultures with the weird christian cult (although not as explicit as the National Front in This is England).

This is gonna sound stupid, but that wwas probably my favourite Sylvester Stalone role ever, and he was only featured in the film via footage from First Blood :dunno:

Ace Rockola
April 16th, 2008, 5:11 PM
No love for Rocky?

Though I can understand if this is your favorite Stallone role if the footage they do show is from the "NOTHING IS OVER!" scene.

Hero!
April 16th, 2008, 10:58 PM
Finally saw Superbad. Good movie, but really overrated. There were some good laugh out loud moments, but at certain points I was just sitting there waiting for something to happen. So yeah, funny, but there are funnier.

Downloading knocked up now, hopefully that wasn't overrated too.

PurePlayer
April 16th, 2008, 11:36 PM
Superbad is a million times funnier than Knocked Up. If you didn't think Superbad was an awesome comedy then you will be severely letdown by Knocked Up.

I hate how some comedies get the overrated term attached to it. Of course not every moment is going to be laugh out loud funny. A good comedy actually takes time to tell a story and not just involve slapstick comedy that doesn't fit. Superbad was amazingly hilarious for 85% of the movie. There has to be time to actually develop characters and progress the storyline without stupid jokes thrown in there.

Cactus Lem
April 17th, 2008, 7:08 AM
No love for Rocky?



None at all.

Even as a kid I didn't like him. I always thought he was a bad version of what Arnie was :D

Guy
April 17th, 2008, 7:25 AM
???

You completely missed the point of the original Rocky then, and Rocky II and VI also.

II and IV I'll let you off, V...well V had good intentions

EdgeHead469
April 17th, 2008, 7:32 AM
Finally saw Superbad. Good movie, but really overrated. There were some good laugh out loud moments, but at certain points I was just sitting there waiting for something to happen. So yeah, funny, but there are funnier.

Downloading knocked up now, hopefully that wasn't overrated too.


I agree with you 100% and unlike Pure Player, I liked Knocked Up way better than Superbad. It is whatever you have taste in. Knocked Up is awesome!

Jimmy Zero
April 17th, 2008, 9:33 AM
???

You completely missed the point of the original Rocky then, and Rocky II and VI also.

II and IV I'll let you off, V...well V had good intentions

Firstly, that guy is an ass if he doesn't at least like the first Rocky.

Secondly, Rocky III (I assume you meant "III and IV I'll let you off") and Rocky IV are fucking awesome. They're not good movies by any stretch, but they are entertaining as fuck.

Mr. Boombastic
April 17th, 2008, 2:45 PM
They're not good movies by any stretch, but they are entertaining as fuck.

That doesnt make sense. If a movie is entertaining how is it not good??? The Rocky movies are pretty cheesy, but they are still good movies.

Just because its not arty or intellectual doesnt make it a poor movie. I watch movies to be entertained and if it does the job then I would consider it a good movie.

Ace Rockola
April 17th, 2008, 3:00 PM
Firstly, that guy is an ass if he doesn't at least like the first Rocky.

Secondly, Rocky III (I assume you meant "III and IV I'll let you off") and Rocky IV are fucking awesome. They're not good movies by any stretch, but they are entertaining as fuck.

You can defend III as a good movie. IV as an entertaining movie, and V, uh, as something shown in a movie theater.

Cactus Lem
April 17th, 2008, 3:02 PM
???

You completely missed the point of the original Rocky then, and Rocky II and VI also.

II and IV I'll let you off, V...well V had good intentions

Like you completley miss what De Niro's all about? :p

I know that Rocky obviously isn't anything like a typical balls to the wall action movie in the shape of Rambo.

Been years since I've seen it, I must've been 8 or 9 last time I watched it.

Ace Rockola
April 17th, 2008, 3:04 PM
Like you completley miss what De Niro's all about? :p

I know that Rocky obviously isn't anything like a typical balls to the wall action movie in the shape of Rambo.

Been years since I've seen it, I must've been 8 or 9 last time I watched it.

I was in the same boat, then I saw the trailer for Balboa at work at went out and got all 5 movies on DVD. You can't fully appreciate the awesomeness of those movies until you're an adult.

And for the love of God, get something like Cliffhanger too. Sly is no poor man's Arnold.

Cactus Lem
April 17th, 2008, 3:32 PM
I was in the same boat, then I saw the trailer for Balboa at work at went out and got all 5 movies on DVD. You can't fully appreciate the awesomeness of those movies until you're an adult.

And for the love of God, get something like Cliffhanger too. Sly is no poor man's Arnold.

Oh yeah I'd definetly watch it again without a doubt.

I hate Cliffhanger. I can't stand Reni Harlin, I generally think he's a poor action movie director. Die Hard 2 really isn't that good if you ask me, the other three shit all over it, and I put most of the blame on Harlin. It's still an enjoyable film because John McClaine is beating the crap out of people, but last time I watched it (sometime last summer) I remember noticing a lot of holes.

I think the only part of Cliffhanger I enjoyed was when Dan from Eastenders gives Stallone a good kicking, "You like Soccer?" :lol:

Jimmy Zero
April 17th, 2008, 6:42 PM
That doesnt make sense. If a movie is entertaining how is it not good??? The Rocky movies are pretty cheesy, but they are still good movies.

Just because its not arty or intellectual doesnt make it a poor movie. I watch movies to be entertained and if it does the job then I would consider it a good movie.

It makes plenty of sense. I never said a movie has to be arty or intellectual to be good. But if you think Rocky III is a good movie, than you're insane. The acting is awful, the script is stupid and it features quite easily the gayest unintentionally gay scene ever in a movie. In spite of that stuff, I love the movie. It's fun and has some of the most hilarious lines ever. However, anyone who says a movie that has both Hulk Hogan and Mr. T is anything other than laughably bad just doesn't get it.

Just because something is liked doesn't make it good. If we're talking actual legitimate quality in Rocky films, they're ranked thusly:

Rocky
Rocky II
Rocky Balboa
III
IV
V

And honestly, depending on what mood I'm in, you could really flip flop the first two.

Jimmy Zero
April 17th, 2008, 6:44 PM
You can defend III as a good movie. IV as an entertaining movie, and V, uh, as something shown in a movie theater.

Really? III can be defended as a good movie? I don't know about all that. Mickey's death scene had me in tears, and not from being sad. And come on. That training sequence? GAY. Hilarious and awesome, but so so gay.

Mr. Boombastic
April 17th, 2008, 7:10 PM
So what is your definintion of a "good" movie then Jimmy Zero?

Jimmy Zero
April 17th, 2008, 7:42 PM
Like a legit good movie? Good acting, story, cinematography?

The last really good movie I saw, that entertained me also, was No Country for Old Men.

Ace Rockola
April 17th, 2008, 7:47 PM
Really? III can be defended as a good movie? I don't know about all that. Mickey's death scene had me in tears, and not from being sad. And come on. That training sequence? GAY. Hilarious and awesome, but so so gay.


Like a legit good movie? Good acting, story, cinematography?

The last really good movie I saw, that entertained me also, was No Country for Old Men.

Are we talking good movie, or great movie? Cause Rocky III is a good movie. It advances the story in a belivable way (last time til Balboa) the acting for the most part is fine and who cares how gay some of that stuff was? It was the 80s. Almost everything was gay!

The Doc
April 17th, 2008, 7:52 PM
I guess I'm the only person who loved Apollo's song and dance in IV?

Ace Rockola
April 17th, 2008, 7:55 PM
No you are not. I wanna be Apollo for Halloween some year if black face were acceptable.

Jimmy Zero
April 17th, 2008, 8:06 PM
Are we talking good movie, or great movie? Cause Rocky III is a good movie. It advances the story in a belivable way (last time til Balboa) the acting for the most part is fine and who cares how gay some of that stuff was? It was the 80s. Almost everything was gay!

I can't disagree with any of that, but I guess I'm holding it to the standard the first two set. III was so far off from the subdued macho man kind of movies that I & II were, that it's just weird to watch.

That's also why the gay thing just threw me. It's supposed to be this intense scene with Rocky finally coming to grips with Mickey's death and moving on with his training/life, and him and Apollo are wearing tube socks pulled up to there ball sacks and playing grab ass on the beach. It's yet another random ass thing out of the left field region of Stallone's brain.

Rocky III does have the best trash talking of any of the Rocky's though, by far.

"Clubber do you have any predictions for tonight?"
"Pain."

Ace Rockola
April 17th, 2008, 8:13 PM
's also where the "I pity the fool" phrase was born.

Jimmy Zero
April 17th, 2008, 8:52 PM
Is it really? Wow, I didn't know that.

Was Rocky III his first gig?

Ace Rockola
April 17th, 2008, 9:06 PM
It sure was.

Guy
April 18th, 2008, 8:54 AM
Firstly, that guy is an ass if he doesn't at least like the first Rocky.

Secondly, Rocky III (I assume you meant "III and IV I'll let you off") and Rocky IV are fucking awesome. They're not good movies by any stretch, but they are entertaining as fuck.

Yea I meant III and IV.

And the reason I said that is because he said Sly was a lesser Arnie. But that is in no way true in the first two rocky installments as they were out and out dramas just about. In parts III and IV however, Stallone was in full blown 80's action hero mode, and it's at this point that a comparison to Arnie is a little bit more acceptable.

He is still in no way a lesser Arnie, but at least at this point in the series a comparison could possibly be made

Cactus Lem
April 18th, 2008, 10:19 AM
Yea I meant III and IV.

And the reason I said that is because he said Sly was a lesser Arnie. But that is in no way true in the first two rocky installments as they were out and out dramas just about. In parts III and IV however, Stallone was in full blown 80's action hero mode, and it's at this point that a comparison to Arnie is a little bit more acceptable.

He is still in no way a lesser Arnie, but at least at this point in the series a comparison could possibly be made

Did you read the part where I said I was about 8 or 9 when I watched Rocky and Rambo and came to this conclusion?

Obviously I'm a bit wiser now, but like you say Stallone undeniabley transformed into an 80's action star, and as a naive kid who loved anything with Arnie, it was quite easy to come to such a conclusion.

Although still, Arnie > Stallone :)

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 10:35 AM
Yea I meant III and IV.

And the reason I said that is because he said Sly was a lesser Arnie. But that is in no way true in the first two rocky installments as they were out and out dramas just about. In parts III and IV however, Stallone was in full blown 80's action hero mode, and it's at this point that a comparison to Arnie is a little bit more acceptable.

He is still in no way a lesser Arnie, but at least at this point in the series a comparison could possibly be made

Yeah, I agree. Stallone, as a creative force in Hollywood (at least when both were far more relevant than they are today) is leaps and bounds ahead of Arnold. Arnold's great, but he does what he does and that's it.

Stallone is an Oscar winning screenwriter, I believe. Did he direct the first Rocky, as well? I don't think he did, but I want to say he directed one of them.

Vice
April 18th, 2008, 10:39 AM
He didn't direct the first Rocky, no. Directed the others though, with the exception of V.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000230/

Bad Obsession
April 18th, 2008, 10:45 AM
I really don't get why anybody would like Arnie. Terminator, sure, and maybe Predator if that's your thing, but other than that? :wtf: He's absolutely awful. Just a big dude with muscles.

Vice
April 18th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Arnie is absolutely brilliant if you're high. Eraser, for example. When sober, it's a terrible movie. When high, it's legendary.

You forgot Jingle All the Way, Obsession. Classic stuff. And Kindergarten Cop.

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Yeah, I know a lot of people that just don't get Arnie's appeal. Most of them happen to be chicks, but still. It's understandable. The guy basically does the same shit over and over.

BUT...

He's been lucky enough to work with directors who know exactly what he's capable of and exactly how to use him. One liners (if he's talking at all) and killing shit. James Cameron is a fabulous director, and blowing Arnie up to the stratosphere can be counted among the reasons as to why he's so great.

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Arnie is absolutely brilliant if you're high. Eraser, for example. When sober, it's a terrible movie. When high, it's legendary.

You forgot Jingle All the Way, Obsession. Classic stuff. And Kindergarten Cop.

IT'S NOT A TUMAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Bad Obsession
April 18th, 2008, 10:58 AM
But that's just the thing, I don't think he can even do one-liners. The only time he managed to talk as a character was in the Terminator role and he was meant to be an emotionless machine then. Whenever it's a film where he's meant to feel the slighest bit of emotion he comes off completely wooden and it makes somebody like Vin Diesel look like an Oscar worthy actor.

I get that he's not somebody who is meant to be judged by acting skills and just enjoyed but he's so bad I simply can't think 'wow he blew that shit up in a cool way!'

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 11:05 AM
I don't know. I guess it's all about expectations. I expect mindless entertainment when I sit down with an Arnie flick. What about Twins, True Lies and the aforementioned Kindergarten Cop?

Those aren't great movies and Arnold doesn't put forth Olivier-esque performances, but he holds his own.

Bad Obsession
April 18th, 2008, 11:11 AM
True Lies would have been good, fun action film had it had any other lead actor. As it stands Arnie just ruined it for me. I didn't like the rest.

I can understand why people would tolerate him and find the roles that he does acceptable but I just have a rather deep hatred for him.

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 11:13 AM
Do you like action movies in general?

And don't get me wrong, I can totally see why someone would hate Arnie. (I love how no one's even attempting his last name!)

Bad Obsession
April 18th, 2008, 11:14 AM
I'm a male, of course I like them. ;)

I don't even expect action films to be up to the standards of something like Die Hard or Lethal Weapon, either, I'm happy to put my brain down and just see lots of big explosions. I just can't stoop as low as Arnie and Van-Damme.

Vice
April 18th, 2008, 11:14 AM
http://site.steelcityauctions.com/mrfreeze.jpg

http://www.cineclub.de/images/1997/06/batman-und-robin-2.jpg

http://williamfrantz.com/res/mr-freeze-fireman.jpg

Just Joe
April 18th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Kindergarten Cop is fucking great. I :heart: that movie.

"Who is your Daddy and what does he do?"

Ringo
April 18th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Ahahaha. :heart: him.

Kindergarten Cop is one of my favourite films ever. I could literally watch it 24 hours a day and not get tired of it. That, Cool Runnings and Withnail, I am probably up for watching at any time of the day.

Vice
April 18th, 2008, 12:06 PM
http://www.scatteredsheep.com/images/arnold_white_horse.jpg

Legend. One of the best pictures ever.

Has anyone seen The Running Man? How is it. I'm curious to see it considering it has the governors in it. And by governors, I mean Schwarzenegger and Ventura.

Just Joe
April 18th, 2008, 12:28 PM
http://thewhofeatarnold.ytmnd.com/
:lol:

I haven't seen The Running Man in ages but I defiantly enjoyed it. That's the one where he is on the mental TV show right?

Cactus Lem
April 18th, 2008, 12:29 PM
I really don't get why anybody would like Arnie. Terminator, sure, and maybe Predator if that's your thing, but other than that? :wtf: He's absolutely awful. Just a big dude with muscles.


But that's just the thing, I don't think he can even do one-liners. The only time he managed to talk as a character was in the Terminator role and he was meant to be an emotionless machine then. Whenever it's a film where he's meant to feel the slighest bit of emotion he comes off completely wooden and it makes somebody like Vin Diesel look like an Oscar worthy actor.

I get that he's not somebody who is meant to be judged by acting skills and just enjoyed but he's so bad I simply can't think 'wow he blew that shit up in a cool way!'

Your second post quoted, for me anyway, sums up exactly why I love watching Arnie, I just find everything he does funny, and I never get bored of laughing at his awfulness.

Recently I wrote an essay where I had to choose an actor, select a 5 minute scene from one of his movies and use it to talk about their 'star status' and star signatures and stuff. I fancied a laugh and chose Arnie.

Used a scene from Total Recall and it was a complete crack up. Arnie trying to put across emotion is just the funniest thing, plus there where a couple of great one liners in there as well.

I think I enjoy Arnie so much because as a kid my aunt used to look after me a lot, and she seemed to have a bit of thing for him, and had all of his movies bar Hercules in New York and Connan.

I used to watch the Terminators, Preadator, Commando, Total Recall, Raw Deal, True Lies, Twins, The Running Man, Junior, Kindergarten Cop, Last Action Hero, and then Jingle All The Way and Eraser a few years later, almost all the time between the ages of about 7 and 12. Now as I've grown older I've seen the funny side of Arnie, and find the guy hilarious to watch, while laughing at what a fool I was as a kid, and how taken in by his movies I was.


Ahahaha. :heart: him.

Kindergarten Cop is one of my favourite films ever. I could literally watch it 24 hours a day and not get tired of it. That, Cool Runnings and Withnail, I am probably up for watching at any time of the day.

I haven't seen Cool Runnings in eyars. Need to buy that soon. I love John Candy to bits. As far as films that I could watch anytime, Uncle Buck has gotta be one of them. Candy's best if you ask me.

Just Joe
April 18th, 2008, 12:33 PM
I haven't seen Cool Runnings in eyars. Need to buy that soon. I love John Candy to bits. As far as films that I could watch anytime, Uncle Buck has gotta be one of them. Candy's best if you ask me.
:yes:

Planes, Trains and Automobiles is also a classic. Great movie that.

Ringo
April 18th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Oh yeah, that's another one I could watch all day.

Running Man is great. Stephen King ffs.

Oh and Lem, Cool Runnings is on sale on Play.com right now for £2.99. :yes:

Bad Obsession
April 18th, 2008, 2:14 PM
Cool Runnings is one of the earliest films I can remember watching and I still love it. :heart:

And that's fair enough, Lem, I understand why somebody would see Arnie as somebody who is so bad they're entertaining.

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 4:25 PM
Has anyone seen The Running Man? How is it. I'm curious to see it considering it has the governors in it. And by governors, I mean Schwarzenegger and Ventura.[/center]

It's dated, but way cool. It's 80's (late 70's?), so you know there's a certain level of cheese that you must accept. That being said, some of the death scenes are bad ass. It's definitely watching at least once, if you're an Arnie fan.

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 4:26 PM
Cool Runnings is one of the earliest films I can remember watching and I still love it. :heart:

And that's fair enough, Lem, I understand why somebody would see Arnie as somebody who is so bad they're entertaining.

I used to love that movie. John Candy was the first celeb death that really made me stop and go, that sucks. Also, I thought when Doug E. Doug said that the guy's head looked like a butt was the funniest thing I'd ever seen.

Cactus Lem
April 18th, 2008, 6:07 PM
What other John Candy films are worth watching? Obviously I know Uncle Buck, Home Alone, Planes Trains and Automobiles, Cool Runnings and Canadian Bacon, but I'm trying to think of other Candy films, and nothing is coming to my head......

Morrison
April 18th, 2008, 6:15 PM
Spaceballs. Little Shop of Horrors. Brewster's Millions. Splash. Stripes.

Jimmy Zero
April 18th, 2008, 6:39 PM
Good list with one omission. The Great Outdoors.

Cactus Lem
April 18th, 2008, 6:52 PM
Spaceballs. Little Shop of Horrors. Brewster's Millions. Splash. Stripes.

How could I forgot Stripes :eek: :heart: Bill Murray

I know of Splash, Spaceballs, Brewsters Millions (Walter Hill is pretty underrated) and The Great Outdoors as well actually.

Hobbit
April 18th, 2008, 10:21 PM
Saw No Country for Old Men but fuck me what was all the fuss about? Decent flick with some enjoyable moments but the rate people have been jizzing themselves into a large pool over it has been totally ridiculous. Bardem and Brolin were superb but I wasn't that impressed with TLJ :\

I really liked the various shootouts though and some of the scenery, whilst fairly samey, was stunning.

Don't get me wrong I didn't hate it, far from it in fact I thought it was really good, but nowhere near the 'best film ever' many critics and people I've read in the press have been banging on about it.

I've got There Will Be Blood to watch next and people have slimed over that in equal amounts, let's see if it is that good.

Ace Rockola
April 19th, 2008, 1:36 AM
Best film ever? I don't know who said that, I was one of the people with a raging hard on for it, but it was only like my second or thrid favorite film of the year.

Tommy Lee Jones was great in that. It's understandable how you might be let down by him after hearing stuff though. His performance is very quiet and he doesn't have one amazing stand out scene. Minus the ending, I felt at least.

Went out tonight and saw Forgetting Sarah Marshall simply for the bennift of the doubt I give the Apatow crew. Cause the trailer is horrible. And the trailer isn't even close to the actual movie. It's no Knocked Up or Superbad, but it's still in the same style. R rated comedy with a heart. Any guy who has been in the dumped posisition by "the one" should really appreciate it.

Perhaps the funniest scene was when he was doing the rebound thing and chick he's fucking keeps saying "hi." I can't be the only one who's had the girl say that several times and find it as odd as they played that scene out.

Oh, and screw you geeks in love with Veronica Mars, after this I'm all about the dark haired chick from That 70s Show.

Just Joe
April 19th, 2008, 7:23 AM
Was Russell Brand any good in it Ace?

And Mila Kunis is wonderful. She makes Meg Griffin hot. She is dating Macaulay Culkin apperantly.

Vice
April 19th, 2008, 8:15 AM
Just finished watching The Running Man. What a gloriously cheesy mindless action flick. Not something I ever plan on watching again, but it was great.

Schwarzenegger is a beast.

Hulkamaniac
April 19th, 2008, 9:06 AM
Saw No Country for Old Men but fuck me what was all the fuss about? Decent flick with some enjoyable moments but the rate people have been jizzing themselves into a large pool over it has been totally ridiculous. Bardem and Brolin were superb but I wasn't that impressed with TLJ :\

I really liked the various shootouts though and some of the scenery, whilst fairly samey, was stunning.

Don't get me wrong I didn't hate it, far from it in fact I thought it was really good, but nowhere near the 'best film ever' many critics and people I've read in the press have been banging on about it.

I've got There Will Be Blood to watch next and people have slimed over that in equal amounts, let's see if it is that good.


I doubt that either of them match the filmic magnificence of Atonement mate. You should watch that.

Vice
April 19th, 2008, 9:08 AM
Personally I'd go:

There Will be Blood > Atonement > No Country for Old Men

Bad Obsession
April 19th, 2008, 1:05 PM
I just finished watching There Will Be Blood. Been meaning to get around to it for a while and Vice's above statement finally motivated me to do so.

Even though I disagree that it's a better film that Atonement I did absolutely love it. It grabbed me from the very beginning having such a long period with no speech whatsoever. There was something quite powerful about just watching Daniel work and slowly build up his empire.

I have to say Daniel is definitely one of my favourite characters in recent memory too. Even though he was a bit of a bastard at times I always loved him and enjoyed seeing him struggle with his priorities. His scenes with Eli were certainly his best.

... Which is proven by that ending. I mean, just wow. It was very good up until that point but those last 10 minutes or so really elevated it to greatness. It was wonderful seeing Eli get his comeuppance and that final line of "I'm finished." Such powerful visuals.

There were points where I was starting to think it was going to drag, namely when Daniel's fake brother suddenly appeared on the scene but that was never really an issue. Held my interest through-out.

Top film. :yes:

Hobbit
April 19th, 2008, 1:24 PM
I doubt that either of them match the filmic magnificence of Atonement mate. You should watch that.

I watched Atonement a while ago and I don't why you love it so much. Mundane, forgettable wank.

RockOverBoston
April 19th, 2008, 2:06 PM
I've got one for ya:

While "No Country For Old Men", "There Will Be Blood" and "Atonement" were all notably better than your typical major motion picture, they're all pretty vastly overrated.

"No Country" and "Blood" both featured knock-it-out-of-the-park performances -- "No Country" actually featured several -- and "Atonement" was visually spectacular, but all three stories as a whole seemed to lack some of whatever ingredients a film truly needs to merit the overwhelming amount of accolades all three have recieved.

Personally, I liked "Michael Clayton" better than all three. "Gone Baby Gone" as well, but I'm from Dorchester, so there's obviously bias involved there...

Hulkamaniac
April 19th, 2008, 2:29 PM
Atonement received virtually no accolades mate. One Academy Award win, virtually no acting nominations, no Director nomination, no SAG, no DGA, no ensemble cast nominations. Even on IMDB it only has the same rating as Pride and Prejudice.

It was one of the most criminally underrated films of the year.

RockOverBoston
April 19th, 2008, 2:35 PM
Atonement received virtually no accolades mate...It was one of the most criminally underrated films of the year.

You clearly don't get to watch a whole lot of American television, or read many of our newspapers/magazines.

The hype machine was running as fast and furiously for "Atonement" as it was for the other two, and probably "Juno" as well.

Furthermore, I'm not entirely certain that "Atonement" deserved many acting nominations in a year with so many superior performances, some of which went even more undernominated than those in "Atonement".

Alf
April 19th, 2008, 2:43 PM
Atonement received virtually no accolades mate. One Academy Award win, virtually no acting nominations, no Director nomination, no SAG, no DGA, no ensemble cast nominations. Even on IMDB it only has the same rating as Pride and Prejudice.

It was one of the most criminally underrated films of the year.

What are you talking about?

When it came out it was critically acclaimed. It didn't win many awards but the it was bummed by the world.

Hulkamaniac
April 19th, 2008, 2:48 PM
I'm sorry mate, but I could JUST ABOUT understand 1 nomination for the Briony's and it was probably the right one, but none of the others in a year when Ruby Dee got nominated for a 5 minute appearance in American Gangster (and frankly Vanessa Redgrave's 5 minute appearance in Atonement was much more worthy, not nominating Knightley (in a year when Cate Blanchett should not have been nominated for The Golden Age), not nominating James McAvoy (for the second year running, despite incredible performances BOTH of which should've been nominated), in a year when George Clooney was nominated for being Geroge Clooney in Michael Clayton and not nominating an INCREDIBLE Directorial outing in a year when Jason Reitman got nominated for a rather directionless Juno (seriously the direction there was mostly absent) is ridiculous.

The reason why Atonement got so much talk is because it was the early front-runner. People were talking about it as an Oscar hit before it was released in the US due to its stunning release in the UK. For some reason it completely faded away when the awards started and became criminally underrated then. It didnt even receive the nominations, at ANY serious awards ceremony (with the BAFTAs being the one exception) it deserved, let alone the wins.

Hulkamaniac
April 19th, 2008, 2:50 PM
What are you talking about?

When it came out it was critically acclaimed. It didn't win many awards but the it was bummed by the world.

When it came out in the UK it was. When it came out in the US it wasnt. BEFORE it came out in the US it was.

RockOverBoston
April 19th, 2008, 3:09 PM
I'm sorry mate, but I could JUST ABOUT understand 1 nomination for the Briony's and it was probably the right one, but none of the others in a year when Ruby Dee got nominated for a 5 minute appearance in American Gangster (and frankly Vanessa Redgrave's 5 minute appearance in Atonement was much more worthy, not nominating Knightley (in a year when Cate Blanchett should not have been nominated for The Golden Age), not nominating James McAvoy (for the second year running, despite incredible performances BOTH of which should've been nominated), in a year when George Clooney was nominated for being Geroge Clooney in Michael Clayton and not nominating an INCREDIBLE Directorial outing in a year when Jason Reitman got nominated for a rather directionless Juno (seriously the direction there was mostly absent) is ridiculous.

I can't disagree with any of the undeserved nominations you've mentioned - they are, in fact, all the major nominees of last year that bothered me the most, but it's extremely rare to me that any appearance as short as Ruby Dee's or Vanessa Redgrave's (admittedly the better perormance of the two) should ever be nominated for an award, and there are a laundry list of 2007 performances that went criminally under/unnominated that weren't associated with "Atonement", so to make cases for its actors, you've also got to make cases for several others who might very well have been more deserving.

I also can't disagree whatsoever with the fact that it should have been nominated for any and all direction awards. I'd have to think that even those who flat-out disliked "Atonement" would have to at least give it that much credit...

We're all in agreement that 2007 was a better than average year for film in general, and I think you and I agree that "Atonement" was slighted when it came time for the major awards ceremonies, we just disagree as to what degree. That's quite understandable, as you seemed to like it more than anyone I've ever had any contact with. By my own admission, you could very likely say the same about me in regards to "Gone Baby Gone", but that's a movie that it's far more difficult to make compelling arguments for the actor's performances save Amy Ryan (who should have won every award, Goddammit!) -- Casey Affleck is, in fact, from Boston, so his performance wasn't much of a stretch (though it exceeded my expectations -- his whole year did, frankly), Michelle Moygnahoweverythefuckyouspell it gave me no reason whatsoever to believe that she was (seriously, she could have at least attempted an accent. Her sister is Tom Brady's baby momma. She's likely been here quite frequently enough. Fucking try.) and was in all honesty wrong for that role, Ed Harris was good as he almost always is but in no truly overwhelming way, and Morgan Freeman was Morgan Freeman...so I suppose under the aforementioned Clooney Clause, a weak argument could be made for him.

It wasn't the easiest year to have a good movie recieve the amount of props that it was likely due, unless said movie involved Daniel Day Lewis or Javier Bardem, in which case, IMHO, said film recieved more props than it should have. This was as true of "Atonement" as it was of any other film, and you're dead right when stating that the timing of its US release was a major reason as to why, but again, it's true of many movies released last year as well.

Ringo
April 19th, 2008, 3:31 PM
2007 was a pretty fucking great year. Just about finished up with all the notable films from the year now. For me the top three are easily Atonement, No Country and TWBB.

No Country is immense, Atonement is absolutely stunning and There Will Be Blood is one of the greatest films I have ever seen.

Cactus Lem
April 19th, 2008, 4:19 PM
2007 was a pretty fucking great year. Just about finished up with all the notable films from the year now. For me the top three are easily Atonement, No Country and TWBB.


I really do think 2006 was a way better year in comparison. 2007 seemed to be the year of overhype I found, whereas basially every aclaimed or hyped film of 2006 delivered for me. I think it's probably the strongest year of the decade so far

The Departed, Babel, Children of Men, Little Miss Sunshine, Little Children, The Prestige and Borat are all time classics if you ask me, and then you have a great host of supporting films in Blood Diamond, Letters From Iwo Jima, The Pursuit of Happiness etc.

Bad Obsession
April 19th, 2008, 4:25 PM
Don't forget Pan's Labyrinth too. Which is totally one of my favourite films of all time now.

And on a related note, anyone who loves that film half as much as I do should check out The Devil's Backbone which is also by Del Toro. Nearly as awesome. Nearly.

But yeah, I'd rate 2006 slightly higher too.

mth
April 19th, 2008, 4:38 PM
I watched the Devil's Backbone in school and found it to be pretty boring, for the most part.

Bad Obsession
April 19th, 2008, 4:42 PM
:eek:!

I loved it. I thought it had most of the elements that made Pan's Labyrinth so wonderful but just lacked a few things to really reach the status of greatness. Del Toro really writes the characters of children very well and does a good job of putting quite a lot of fantasy ambiguity in his films. Just like in Pan's Labyrinth where you don't know of Ofelia is really from some magical land, in Backbone you're unsure if a lot of the stranger things the children are seeing are in their heads or not. I'd have to watch it again to remember all the points, but seeing the ghost etc.

I'm not saying it's one of the finest films ever made but I saw it after Pan's Labyrinth and really enjoyed it even with those expectations.

mth
April 19th, 2008, 4:44 PM
Well, I may need to see it again then, as I watched it as sort of an 'on the side' deal in class, and might not have been paying 100% attention. i seem to remember thinking it was fairly decent, but a bit boring, but perhaps a second watching will change that and improve my opinion, as I'll be able to devote 100% attention to it.

Ringo
April 19th, 2008, 4:50 PM
Little Miss Sunshine is amazing.

Jimmy Zero
April 19th, 2008, 4:56 PM
It really is quite good.

Steve Carrell and Greg Kinnear were fantastic in that movie. I wouldn't mind seeing a buddy type comedy with those two as the main guys.

mth
April 19th, 2008, 4:57 PM
My wife and I both loved Little Miss Sunshine. Fantastic movie.

Cactus Lem
April 19th, 2008, 4:58 PM
It really is quite good.

Steve Carrell and Greg Kinnear were fantastic in that movie. I wouldn't mind seeing a buddy type comedy with those two as the main guys.

The Grandad deserves some apreciation as well, one of the best old man roles I've seen in a long time.

Whole cast really was pretty damn good.

Ringo
April 19th, 2008, 5:00 PM
And Paul Dano.

Obviously not as mindblowingawesome as in There Will Be Blood though.

Cactus Lem
April 19th, 2008, 5:10 PM
And Paul Dano.

Obviously not as mindblowingawesome as in There Will Be Blood though.

I'm still amazed that Dano wasn't up for Best Supporting Actor for There Will Be Blood.

Hulkamaniac
April 19th, 2008, 5:26 PM
I can't disagree with any of the undeserved nominations you've mentioned - they are, in fact, all the major nominees of last year that bothered me the most, but it's extremely rare to me that any appearance as short as Ruby Dee's or Vanessa Redgrave's (admittedly the better perormance of the two) should ever be nominated for an award, and there are a laundry list of 2007 performances that went criminally under/unnominated that weren't associated with "Atonement", so to make cases for its actors, you've also got to make cases for several others who might very well have been more deserving.

I also can't disagree whatsoever with the fact that it should have been nominated for any and all direction awards. I'd have to think that even those who flat-out disliked "Atonement" would have to at least give it that much credit...

We're all in agreement that 2007 was a better than average year for film in general, and I think you and I agree that "Atonement" was slighted when it came time for the major awards ceremonies, we just disagree as to what degree. That's quite understandable, as you seemed to like it more than anyone I've ever had any contact with. By my own admission, you could very likely say the same about me in regards to "Gone Baby Gone", but that's a movie that it's far more difficult to make compelling arguments for the actor's performances save Amy Ryan (who should have won every award, Goddammit!) -- Casey Affleck is, in fact, from Boston, so his performance wasn't much of a stretch (though it exceeded my expectations -- his whole year did, frankly), Michelle Moygnahoweverythefuckyouspell it gave me no reason whatsoever to believe that she was (seriously, she could have at least attempted an accent. Her sister is Tom Brady's baby momma. She's likely been here quite frequently enough. Fucking try.) and was in all honesty wrong for that role, Ed Harris was good as he almost always is but in no truly overwhelming way, and Morgan Freeman was Morgan Freeman...so I suppose under the aforementioned Clooney Clause, a weak argument could be made for him.

It wasn't the easiest year to have a good movie recieve the amount of props that it was likely due, unless said movie involved Daniel Day Lewis or Javier Bardem, in which case, IMHO, said film recieved more props than it should have. This was as true of "Atonement" as it was of any other film, and you're dead right when stating that the timing of its US release was a major reason as to why, but again, it's true of many movies released last year as well.

Yeah, ok. I wont disagree with any of that.

Morrison
April 19th, 2008, 6:18 PM
I really do think 2006 was a way better year in comparison. 2007 seemed to be the year of overhype I found, whereas basially every aclaimed or hyped film of 2006 delivered for me. I think it's probably the strongest year of the decade so far

The Departed, Babel, Children of Men, Little Miss Sunshine, Little Children, The Prestige and Borat are all time classics if you ask me, and then you have a great host of supporting films in Blood Diamond, Letters From Iwo Jima, The Pursuit of Happiness etc.

Babel? Honestly?

Ringo
April 19th, 2008, 6:20 PM
Babel is alright like. All time classic is a bit ridiculous though.

The Departed was good but I didn't like it as much as Infernal Affairs to be honest.

The others are all great but not on the level There Will Be Blood for me personally.

Morrison
April 19th, 2008, 6:41 PM
Babel was an absolute chore for me to watch. The only story I gave any care or interest in was the nanny's, and even then it wasn't enough to make me enjoy the film.

RockOverBoston
April 19th, 2008, 6:44 PM
I'm still not certain that I even "get" the Japanese girl's story at all...

And yeah, calling "Babel" an all time classic is a rather enormous stretch.

"Little Children" though -- now that's an underrated film.

Ace Rockola
April 19th, 2008, 7:16 PM
Babel was an absolute chore for me to watch. The only story I gave any care or interest in was the nanny's, and even then it wasn't enough to make me enjoy the film.

Thank you. I had to watch Babel over two nights in projection, and when I went back in to watch the second half I really was questioning why. I just didn't care.

RockOverBoston
April 19th, 2008, 9:58 PM
The Grandad deserves some apreciation as well, one of the best old man roles I've seen in a long time.

Oh, I think it's more than safe to say that Alan Arkin's performance in "Little Miss Sunshine" actually recieved more appreciation than it actually deserved.

Morrison
April 19th, 2008, 10:35 PM
I'd say. It's a fun role, and Arkin plays it really well, but it's not a particularly interesting character. He's a dirty old man with a heart of gold. Yayyy.

Tim
April 19th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Can someone explain the ending of No Country for me? I didn't get how Anton's dream related to the movie.

Morrison
April 19th, 2008, 11:09 PM
Anton's dream?

Tim
April 19th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Oh I had TLJ's name wrong, Ed Tom. Sounded like Anton.

Jimmy Zero
April 20th, 2008, 1:58 AM
http://www.joblo.com/berrys-a-schizo


Halle Berry, who's been content to wallow in a hell of a lot of cinematic excrement in the last few years, is looking to get back into the indie game to gain back the Oscar street cred she shattered with the celluloid abomination that was CATWOMAN.

She's agreed to star in and produce the psychological drama FRANKIE AND ALICE. In it, she'll play a woman suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder) whose real identity is at odds with a white racist alter-personality. If this is anything like black white supremacist Clayton Bigsby then she's in for some problems.

Berry can next be seen in the John Singleton crime drama TULIA and as the titular character in another crime drama WHO IS DORIS PAYNE?

This could be the most unintentionally hilarious movie in quite some time. I'm definitely looking forward to this one.

Ace Rockola
April 20th, 2008, 2:04 AM
Did she just call us "niggers?"

AWESOME!

Cactus Lem
April 20th, 2008, 4:51 AM
Babel? Honestly?

Yeah, I really did love that film. I'm a massive fan of the director Inaritu's work, Amores Perros is one of my favourite movies of all time, and 21 Grams is also a great film if you ask me. I thought Babel was an emotionally great film, it really drew me in to each one of the individual stories and had me actually caring about the characters. I also liked the job it did in capturing many different cultures, and being very specific to each culture, making each one seem completley diverse to one another.

Like I also said, I really like the director, and I love his visual style. I feel that he does an absolutley amazing job of elicting emotion via his visual style. His use of shot, speed of shot and selective cutting, often add so much to the emotion he manages to project from his movies, and his work with characters is also fucking awesome. I always feel that the characters I'm watching on screen are real people, with real problems. He also does a greta job of rounding the characters, so know one is a clear cut bad guy or good guy, with perception changing as you get to know the characters more throughout his films.

I'm probably rambling a bit here, but Babel was my second favourite film of 2006 following The Departed, and I'm surprised at the reaction to it on here to be honest.

Morrison
April 20th, 2008, 5:25 AM
I didn't et any of that out of the film. Visually it was appealing, I'll give you that. But none of the stories really grabbed my interest, and the Japanese girls arc really seemed so unimportant to the entire story and merely incorporated to be titillating. I don't think Brad Pitt's performance was all that great and he spent a lot of the time yelling, and Blanchett was a dying woman most of the time.

I bought the DVD when it came out, and I really wish I hadn't.

Cactus Lem
April 20th, 2008, 5:38 AM
I didn't et any of that out of the film. Visually it was appealing, I'll give you that. But none of the stories really grabbed my interest, and the Japanese girls arc really seemed so unimportant to the entire story and merely incorporated to be titillating. I don't think Brad Pitt's performance was all that great and he spent a lot of the time yelling, and Blanchett was a dying woman most of the time.

I bought the DVD when it came out, and I really wish I hadn't.

Fair enough, Pitt wasn't exactly great, I agree, I thought the Mexican woman put in the films best performance. The story with the Japanese girl was probably the least important element to the film, bit I enjoyed it for its exploration of the culture and the pressures put upon young girls in an arena I really wasn't used to watching, plus it did pay some significance to the film in the end.

Have you seen Amores Perros Morrison?

Ringo
April 20th, 2008, 6:04 AM
Yeah. The nanny's story was easily the best one.

Pitt and Blanchett proper pissed me off though. Their stuff really bored me.

And ROB, how exactly is TWBB overrated?

RockOverBoston
April 20th, 2008, 11:50 AM
It's overrated in the sense that it's judged more on the merit of one individual performance that as a film as a whole.

Were someone other than DDL cast as the lead, the film itself would not have recieved nearly the amount of critical slobbery that it did. That's not by any means meant as a knock on his performance, as it truly was incredible, but the film as a whole goes in some questionable directions, one of which in particular takes up too much of the viewer's time and has no payoff that's in any way necessary to the rest of the film.

Lewis absolutely owned that role -- it really can't be stressed enough -- but that alone doesn't make for a film of the historical prominence that so many have chosen to place upon it, and the perfomance seems to have given people license to overlook some of the film's glaring problems altogether. This would not be the case if we were talking about "There Will Be Blood" starring Benicio Del Toro (or whomever).


Yeah, I really did love that film. I'm a massive fan of the director Inaritu's work, Amores Perros is one of my favourite movies of all time, and 21 Grams is also a great film if you ask me. I thought Babel was an emotionally great film, it really drew me in to each one of the individual stories and had me actually caring about the characters. I also liked the job it did in capturing many different cultures, and being very specific to each culture, making each one seem completley diverse to one another.

"Amores Perros" is a substantially better film than "Babel". Shit, "21 Grams" is also a better film, though it's nowhere near as good as "Amores Perros".

I wasn't drawn into all of the stories whatsoever - pretty much just that of the nanny, really - and I couldn't have cared less about some of the characters, perhaps most notably Cate Blanchett.

Also, it's not exactly a display of cinematic mastery when a director is able to make Tijuana and Tokyo seem "completely diverse"...


Like I also said, I really like the director, and I love his visual style. I feel that he does an absolutley amazing job of elicting emotion via his visual style. His use of shot, speed of shot and selective cutting, often add so much to the emotion he manages to project from his movies, and his work with characters is also fucking awesome. I always feel that the characters I'm watching on screen are real people, with real problems. He also does a greta job of rounding the characters, so know one is a clear cut bad guy or good guy, with perception changing as you get to know the characters more throughout his films.

Visually "Babel" was quite good, but that's about where it ends. I'm still not entirely certain how the Japanese story was even necessary, I had no vested interest whatsoever in what fate held for those characters (or Blanchett, or Pitt) and I found myself wondering what the true appeal of this movie was even supposed to have been. Kind of reeked of "vanity project" to me, with a few A-list actors signing on to work with a suddenly extremely reputable director in an attempt to pad the resumes of all involved.

Unfortunatly, this was a film that pretty much fell flat and wasn't anywhere near as good as its parts indicate that it could have been.


I'm probably rambling a bit here, but Babel was my second favourite film of 2006 following The Departed, and I'm surprised at the reaction to it on here to be honest.

I'm quite honestly surprised that anyone rates it as high as you do...

Tim
April 20th, 2008, 12:02 PM
It's overrated in the sense that it's judged more on the merit of one individual performance that as a film as a whole.

Were someone other than DDL cast as the lead, the film itself would not have recieved nearly the amount of critical slobbery that it did. That's not by any means meant as a knock on his performance, as it truly was incredible, but the film as a whole goes in some questionable directions, one of which in particular takes up too much of the viewer's time and has no payoff that's in any way necessary to the rest of the film.

Lewis absolutely owned that role -- it really can't be stressed enough -- but that alone doesn't make for a film of the historical prominence that so many have chosen to place upon it, and the perfomance seems to have given people license to overlook some of the film's glaring problems altogether. This would not be the case if we were talking about "There Will Be Blood" starring Benicio Del Toro (or whomever).





That's pretty much my thoughts of the film, except you worded it much better.

Ringo
April 20th, 2008, 12:07 PM
Lewis absolutely owned that role -- it really can't be stressed enough -- but that alone doesn't make for a film of the historical prominence that so many have chosen to place upon it, and the perfomance seems to have given people license to overlook some of the film's glaring problems altogether. This would not be the case if we were talking about "There Will Be Blood" starring Benicio Del Toro (or whomever).

Which 'glaring problems'?

RockOverBoston
April 20th, 2008, 12:32 PM
There is a certain completely unnecessary side-story that quite literally wastes a good 20 minutes of one's life.

Ringo
April 20th, 2008, 12:34 PM
Which?

RockOverBoston
April 20th, 2008, 12:35 PM
The "brother"

Ringo
April 20th, 2008, 12:42 PM
You're kidding?

How on earth was it unnecessary?

The "brother" led to Plainview opening up for the first time. He trusted the "brother" and the fact that he was able to take Plainview for a ride for so long was just a further example of Plainview's weakness and it obviously contributes to his gradual downfall. Remember, Plainview doesn't go mad, his madness is simply exposed, and the situation with his "brother" is a definite factor.

The scene where Plainview opens up and reveals his hatred for "people" is absolutely essential. One of the film's key scenes. Who else could Plainview have opened up to in such a way?

RockOverBoston
April 20th, 2008, 12:50 PM
Honestly, any number of other characters who already existed in the film that could have been further developed as an equally self-serving "ally" of Plainview.

There was no need to introduce and develop a new character to serve this purpose.

Ringo
April 20th, 2008, 12:59 PM
Such as?

It's the fact that Plainview had no prior knowledge of his "brother", also. The sudden inclusion of this man in his life is a big deal, and in the period of time up until he's exposed, he spends A LOT of time with him. Clearly it has a far bigger effect on him then any other relationship would have done and it even temporarily changes him.

It gets to the point where he opens up and actually reveals his innermost feelings. This is pretty important, seeing as he's someone who desperately attempts to hide his weaknesses. It wouldn't have made sense for him to reveal this to any other old character.

RockOverBoston
April 20th, 2008, 1:15 PM
You really don't see how some of that is a pretty major detraction from the rest of the film?

Like this, for example...


The sudden inclusion of this man in his life is a big deal, and in the period of time up until he's exposed, he spends A LOT of time with him.

A lot indeed. Far too much, in fact, especially when compared to the book.


Clearly it has a far bigger effect on him then any other relationship would have done and it even temporarily changes him.

Almost unrealistically so, and definitly uncharacteristically so. He sent the "bastard in a basket" off without so much as batting an eye because he was that self-serving, that guarded in regards to his business dealings, and pretty much incapable of dealing with the potential dysfunctional relationship that the deafness could (and did) cause -- but all of a sudden, here comes this long lost "brother", and suddenly Plainview's character makes a pretty bizarre shift. Doesn't even so much as question the fact that it's quite clear he's being taken for a ride. Opens up to his "brother" in ways truly out of line with the rest of what we had come to learn about this character. Frankly takes far too long to realize what even viewers of lesser intelligence would have figured out some time earlier.

Cactus Lem
April 20th, 2008, 6:41 PM
"Amores Perros" is a substantially better film than "Babel". Shit, "21 Grams" is also a better film, though it's nowhere near as good as "Amores Perros".

I agree. Amores Perros is an all time favourite of mine, and was my first introduction to Foreign Language films.



I wasn't drawn into all of the stories whatsoever - pretty much just that of the nanny, really - and I couldn't have cared less about some of the characters, perhaps most notably Cate Blanchett.

Also, it's not exactly a display of cinematic mastery when a director is able to make Tijuana and Tokyo seem "completely diverse"...

Fair enough. I dunno if the directors style just connects and works on me more or something, but I found myself really involved with all of the characters, except Blanchett. She just wasn't a nice character generally. Maybe the least well rounded of all of Inarritu's characters now I think about it.

I wasn't saying it was a display of cinematic mastery though, I was simply stating that I liked the drastic changes in culture and setting. I liked how it showed culturaly specific problems in each location especially.



I'm quite honestly surprised that anyone rates it as high as you do...

Why?

I'm generally surprised by the reaction on here because those who I've conversed with about the film in every day life, who actually have decent taste and decent knowledge in regard to film, have also found the film to be as awesome as I have.

Morrison
April 20th, 2008, 7:55 PM
Almost unrealistically so, and definitly uncharacteristically so. He sent the "bastard in a basket" off without so much as batting an eye because he was that self-serving, that guarded in regards to his business dealings, and pretty much incapable of dealing with the potential dysfunctional relationship that the deafness could (and did) cause -- but all of a sudden, here comes this long lost "brother", and suddenly Plainview's character makes a pretty bizarre shift. Doesn't even so much as question the fact that it's quite clear he's being taken for a ride. Opens up to his "brother" in ways truly out of line with the rest of what we had come to learn about this character. Frankly takes far too long to realize what even viewers of lesser intelligence would have figured out some time earlier.

The way I look at it, his strained relationship with his son helped him to warm up to another 'family member.' He obviously wanted to keep things in the family, what with introducing HW as his partner, and the emphasis on the 'I'm a family man' during his sweet talking introduction, and seemingly teaching him the ways of the oil business. After the accident, with the lines of communication nearly non-existent now, it was apparent that ultimate goal was unattainable because of Daniel's inability to cope and work around his son's disability. So when the 'brother' comes around, he's more accepting as he's in a bit of a desperate state.

House of Pancakes
April 20th, 2008, 8:44 PM
ROB, I also disagree.

I don't think it was uncharacteristic of Daniel to act the way he did with his brother. The whole scene, the "I can't keep doing this on my own," is so important to his development. We can see that Daniel does hate people, but that he, being human himself, is lonesome, and it's driving him mad. He sees his brother as a way to finally have someone who has his same outlook, his own blood. "If it's in me, it's in you."

Somebody pretending to be his brother just to get a piece of his fortune was the last straw, because he was the last person Daniel ever thought he could confide in. It drove him to murder and to complete insanity.

House of Pancakes
April 20th, 2008, 8:45 PM
The way I look at it, his strained relationship with his son helped him to warm up to another 'family member.' He obviously wanted to keep things in the family, what with introducing HW as his partner, and the emphasis on the 'I'm a family man' during his sweet talking introduction, and seemingly teaching him the ways of the oil business. After the accident, with the lines of communication nearly non-existent now, it was apparent that ultimate goal was unattainable because of Daniel's inability to cope and work around his son's disability. So when the 'brother' comes around, he's more accepting as he's in a bit of a desperate state.

Hmmm ... I thought it was very up in the air about whether or not Daniel really meant what he said to his son. It could be argued that Daniel was never a family man, and he just pretended to be for the sake of his reputation.

RockOverBoston
April 21st, 2008, 12:11 AM
I tell you what -- I will watch this movie again with everything that all of you have said taken into strong consideration. If it's all more strongly conveyed than I had remembered (I haven't seen it in months) then I thank all of you for opening my eyes to aspects that I was admittedly blind to.

If all of these opinions of yours prove to be interpretation-based, however, I'm going to stand by my "overrated" statement.

Fair?

Ringo
April 21st, 2008, 2:03 AM
It could be argued that Daniel was never a family man, and he just pretended to be for the sake of his reputation.

Aye, this is definitely the impression I got. That whole speech that he'd run through when announcing his arrival at a new town.

Morrison
April 21st, 2008, 2:45 AM
Aye, this is definitely the impression I got. That whole speech that he'd run through when announcing his arrival at a new town.

I can definitely see the argument for that.

But the fact that he does keep the boy close to his work, attacks Eli when he can't heal him, and his attempts to keep their relationship normal despite HW's deafness lead me to believe it's more then just a superficial relationship on Daniel's part. But the disability puts an enormous strain on their relationship and both almost become bitter towards one another, so when HW comes to ask to be let out of the partnership he shares with his father, so he can start his own company, Daniel goes off on him, as it's another form of abandonment, and he feels that HW just wants to bank on the Plainview name and the successes he built, like his 'brother' all those years before. So he let's him know that he isn't a Plainview, that he has none of the traits that Daniel possesses that's made him the tycoon he is today and is only, and will only ever be, a 'bastard from a basket.'

Jimmy Zero
April 23rd, 2008, 10:57 AM
You really don't see how some of that is a pretty major detraction from the rest of the film?

Like this, for example...



A lot indeed. Far too much, in fact, especially when compared to the book.



Almost unrealistically so, and definitly uncharacteristically so. He sent the "bastard in a basket" off without so much as batting an eye because he was that self-serving, that guarded in regards to his business dealings, and pretty much incapable of dealing with the potential dysfunctional relationship that the deafness could (and did) cause -- but all of a sudden, here comes this long lost "brother", and suddenly Plainview's character makes a pretty bizarre shift. Doesn't even so much as question the fact that it's quite clear he's being taken for a ride. Opens up to his "brother" in ways truly out of line with the rest of what we had come to learn about this character. Frankly takes far too long to realize what even viewers of lesser intelligence would have figured out some time earlier.

Wow, dude, you're way off on this one.

Firstly, Plainview didn't send of HW without batting an eye. At least the first time, when he ditched him on the train. Are you referring to that final scene between him, his son and that translator?

I didn't think Plainview's shift was that bizarre at all. I think Morrison's spot on with his analysis of Daniel. He was grooming an heir, not necessarily raising a son. Henry/Noah came along at the perfect time in terms of finding Daniel at his weakest and most desperate.

Jimmy Zero
April 25th, 2008, 9:41 PM
Jimmy Fallon to take over for Conan when Conan takes over for Jay (http://tv.yahoo.com/show/31644/news/urn:newsml:tv.eonline.com:20080425:4515f1b637cc_4c 1d_b8fa_eca877d69ce4__ER:56193)

Jimmy Fallon is a talentless shit face. How in god's name is he at all a good choice of this job?

I steal cable
April 30th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Doomsday Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/doomsday/large.html)

What a brilliant idea, building a massive metal wall around Scotland. Actually, I could see that happening in the near future, virus or no virus.

foleybumps
April 30th, 2008, 1:19 PM
I know it's not anywhere near a new release, but I watched Eve's Bayou yesterday, and I can honestly say that was my least favorite film of all time. Not necessarily the worst, but my least favorite.

I've never seen a movie in which absolutely NONE of the characters were desirable in the slightest. Probably says something when the only character one could argue as desirable is the one who molested his own daughter.

I'm slightly suspicious that it's positive reviews are only because it was a movie starring and produced by blacks that had a serious "storyline" and did not have a purposefully misspelled word in the title. This can only be construed as a disservice. It's not the Special Olympics, ffs.

thetony
April 30th, 2008, 7:34 PM
Doomsday Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/doomsday/large.html)

What a brilliant idea, building a massive metal wall around Scotland. Actually, I could see that happening in the near future, virus or no virus.

I saw this movie, and besides the really foxxy chick it was shite. It was a good concept though.

Slare
April 30th, 2008, 9:09 PM
The trailer looked good for about the first minute and a half, very 28 days later-esque, then just got fucking ridiculous.

mth
April 30th, 2008, 9:21 PM
Well, that movie looks a bit silly...

Cactus Lem
May 1st, 2008, 11:24 AM
I watched Mystic River yesterday. Can't praise it enough. Clint Eastwood's biggest strength as a director has gotta be his use of emotion, worked amazingly well with Million Dollar Baby and, it workes even better here, espeically with the added interest of the three leads feeling differing and overlapping emotions of certain situations. Some cracking performances in there as well.

Hulkamaniac
May 1st, 2008, 11:31 AM
Overrated.

Cactus Lem
May 1st, 2008, 11:32 AM
Overrated.

Care to add why you think this?

Hulkamaniac
May 1st, 2008, 11:33 AM
Later.

Cactus Lem
May 1st, 2008, 11:41 AM
Later.

I'll look forward to it.

I also watched All The Presidents Men a few nights ago as well. Film in a league of its own that, I really can't think of anything similar before or since, really interesting film polictically, and due to how unique I feel it was in style as well. The fact that some really hot tension was developed out of such simple activities at times was a real testament to how awesome a film it was.

Jimmy Zero
May 1st, 2008, 1:55 PM
That really is a fantastic film. You should watch Network. You'd like it.

Cactus Lem
May 1st, 2008, 3:57 PM
That really is a fantastic film. You should watch Network. You'd like it.

Network was on my list of films to buy when I was over in the US last month. You guys have a 2 Disc Special Edition version that I was wanting to get my hands on, and we've only got a one disc effortless MGM version on Region 2.

Cheapest I found it for though was like $35, and that was rather pricey in my book.

That and Klute where two of the films that I was desperate to get while over there, but just couldn't find at a good enough price.

The only DVD's I manged to get where Nashville (which hasn't been released on DVD here) and the 2 Disc Taxi Driver set for like $10 which was rather good. Taxi Driver looks so much nicer on DVD than my old VHS copy, I've never seen such an amazing differene from VHS to DVD than I have with Taxi Driver.

It's gutting the amount of Special Editions of Late 60's/70's movies you guys have that we don't though. I have the 1 disc versions of Midnight Cowboy, Bonnie and Clyde, Apocalypse Now and Easy Rider etc that we have over here, but all of those mentioned just look like they've been given awesome releases over there. If I had more money to spend on DVD's I'd have probably bought so much of the stuff we don't have in heartbeat.

Hobbit
May 1st, 2008, 7:37 PM
I just finished off watching Hitman. I knew going into it that it got poor reviews and was nothing like the games bar a few obvious similarities (barcodes, baldness, badness etc), I'm also not a big fan of Timothy Olyphant but I was surprised to actually really enjoy this one.

I love the games and as I knew the film was all explosions and fighting, not the stealthy-sneaky approach that the game took I tried to watch it with a fairly open mind as if I was just watching some action film and not to constantly compare it to the games. It was a good laugh with a stupid plot and lots of awful Russian accents that had me smiling, plus a fair dollop of violence and DESMOND FROM LOST. Very enjoyable film if you can look past what it's based on and how it's so comically different :yes:

And bloody hell, that Olga Kurylenko is incredible. Fucking beautiful.

8/10

Hulkamaniac
May 3rd, 2008, 8:05 AM
Bought a nice little mix of films on DVD yesterday.

Cool Hand Luke
Transformers
Becoming Jane
A Scanner Darkly
This is England
Hidden
The Lives of Others

Ringo
May 3rd, 2008, 9:38 AM
This Is England is obviously amazing, but have you seen Dead Man's Shoes? Absolutely stunning.

I liked A Scanner Darkly as well, even though it's not everyone's cup of tea. It just grabbed me somehow.

Cactus Lem
May 3rd, 2008, 2:02 PM
This Is England is obviously amazing, but have you seen Dead Man's Shoes? Absolutely stunning.

I liked A Scanner Darkly as well, even though it's not everyone's cup of tea. It just grabbed me somehow.

Yeah, Dead Man's Shoes is definetly the better film if you ask me, not much between them really though. Just a shame Dead Man's Shoes didn't recieve the level of press or critical aclaim This Is England recieved.

I didn't like A Scanner Darkly. Interesting idea, poor storyline that I just was not able to get into. Found it a real bore to sit through.

thetony
May 3rd, 2008, 7:34 PM
A Scanner Darkly is a lot like Waking Life if anyone's interested in watching another movie like that.

I also heard that the guys who did Snatch put out another flick called Revolver or something with Jason Statham that I'm interested in checking out.

mth
May 3rd, 2008, 7:41 PM
I couldn't even watch Waking Life, so I'm hoping A Scanner Darkly isn't that much like it. I've heard good things about ASD, but if it's as dialog heavy as Waking Life was, I think I'll pass.

Cactus Lem
May 5th, 2008, 4:53 AM
A Scanner Darkly is a lot like Waking Life if anyone's interested in watching another movie like that.

I also heard that the guys who did Snatch put out another flick called Revolver or something with Jason Statham that I'm interested in checking out.

Jason Statham is shit.

Ringo
May 5th, 2008, 8:13 AM
I watched Mystic River yesterday. Can't praise it enough. Clint Eastwood's biggest strength as a director has gotta be his use of emotion, worked amazingly well with Million Dollar Baby and, it workes even better here, espeically with the added interest of the three leads feeling differing and overlapping emotions of certain situations. Some cracking performances in there as well.

It's beautiful. Sean Penn is amazing.

Also MAJOR RAWLS from The Wire is in it playing a paedophile.. :lol:

As such, it is immense. Top 20 of the NOUGHTIES for me.

Cactus Lem
May 5th, 2008, 1:34 PM
It's beautiful. Sean Penn is amazing.

Also MAJOR RAWLS from The Wire is in it playing a paedophile.. :lol:

As such, it is immense. Top 20 of the NOUGHTIES for me.

:yes:

I'm still curious as to why Mik thinks it's overrated.

It's one of those films that's really stuck with me since watching it last week. That's often the sign of a strong film I find.

Watched Deliverance the other day. I recommend it. Jon Voight is an actor I really like, quite underrated in this day and age I think, was great here. I also loved the way it was filmed, some interesting techniques and shots throughout, and I was left wondering how they managed to pull off some of the shots along the river.

Hulkamaniac
May 5th, 2008, 5:29 PM
Cappy posted a nice little critique of Mystic River. I dont really have time to write a thorough breakdown of it at the moment. My review might be out there somewhere.

Ace Rockola
May 8th, 2008, 4:02 PM
Josh Brolin in the Oliver Stone pic about W.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2008/georgebrolin.jpg

Like the AICN headline said, I couldn't believe you could make the image of Bush more scary.

Jimmy Zero
May 8th, 2008, 6:48 PM
Looks like John Kerry.

PurePlayer
May 8th, 2008, 8:33 PM
The brilliance of Iron Man and the upcoming Incredible Hulk film got me motivated to purchase the X-Men trilogy. I still have the 3rd to go, but I must say that the first two were simply awesome. X2 is probably my second favorite Marvel movie behind Iron Man. X-Men was a really good movie as well but X2 beats it out. I can't wait to check out the third.

Jimmy Zero
May 8th, 2008, 8:40 PM
X3 is pretty lame, but it's got some alright action scenes. That's about it.

mth
May 8th, 2008, 8:41 PM
Yeah, X-3 was too much crammed into one movie. But it's got some decent fights and whatnot. Also, Kelsey Grammar is ace as Beast.

Jimmy Zero
May 8th, 2008, 8:47 PM
That is true. It was kind of just Frasier with make up, but he still was able to be convincing in terms of a powerful presence.

PurePlayer
May 8th, 2008, 8:48 PM
What did you guys think of the first two?

Jimmy Zero
May 8th, 2008, 8:49 PM
I really liked both of them, but thought X2 was great whereas I'd say the first one was really good.

mth
May 8th, 2008, 8:52 PM
I'd have to see them both again (and I probably will soon, 'cuz my wife wants to see 'em). But I seem to think I preferred the second to the first, as well.

That is true. It was kind of just Frasier with make up, but he still was able to be convincing in terms of a powerful presence.
Well, when you think about it, Beast is a lot like Frasier with fur...

PurePlayer
May 8th, 2008, 8:52 PM
Completely agree with that. I will let you know what I think of the 3rd once I get around to seeing it sometime this weekend.

Tim
May 9th, 2008, 12:00 AM
Last night I watched "Imitation of Life" the 1959 version. A friend at work recommended it, I'd never even heard of it. And now after watching it, I might put it in my top 10 favorites of all time. It's a great combination of acting and writing and seemed ahead of its time. I loved all of the plots, and the emotion is powerful.

Some of my favorite scenes were, obviously the motel scene when Sarah Jane disowns her mother, and then mouths "Momma" as her supportive mother walks out.

The scene when Lana Turner finds out about her daughter being in love with her new fiancee is great. It's great how she plays the matyr and unknowingly is acting until her daughter calls her on it.

And the ending, which didn't hit me as hard as the motel scene, but I'm sure back in those days, plenty of people were walking out of the theater crying. Even today, when the lady I work with was telling me about this scene, she was starting to cry just talking about it.

I'd tell anyone who enjoys movies to see this if you haven't already.

KorruptJustice
May 9th, 2008, 11:42 AM
The brilliance of Iron Man and the upcoming Incredible Hulk film got me motivated to purchase the X-Men trilogy. I still have the 3rd to go, but I must say that the first two were simply awesome. X2 is probably my second favorite Marvel movie behind Iron Man. X-Men was a really good movie as well but X2 beats it out. I can't wait to check out the third.

The only reason I own X3 is that I won all three X-Men movies (plus Marvel Scene-It) in a raffle that my school did last year. I don't think I've watched it since I won it. However, getting X2 was awesome, as that is one of my favorite superhero movies. The first one is okay as well, but nothing more than average to me.

Cactus Lem
May 9th, 2008, 2:11 PM
The first two X-Men are good, haven't seen them in a good while, probably 5 years or so, but I remember them actually doing a decent job with the majority of the characters, established relationships nicely, and overall made for some fun films.

The third movie, while I liked it, it did have its faults.

It proved just how much they misse the boat with Cyclops as a character for starters, and I really didn't like Xavier dying. They also tried to squeeze way too many characters in for no real reason as well, take the Alcatraz scene as an example.

The only major gripes I have with the triliogy other than those I've pointed out from the third, the fact that Rogue was used as the character Kitty Pryde and Jubilee have mainly been seen as in the comic books, and the non-mention of Wolverine and Sabertooth's history. Can't really think of anything else that majorly bothered me.

mth
May 9th, 2008, 2:43 PM
Hey Lemmy, some people might feel you just revealed a major spoiler there.

Cactus Lem
May 9th, 2008, 3:42 PM
Hey Lemmy, some people might feel you just revealed a major spoiler there.

How so?

Hulkamaniac
May 9th, 2008, 4:03 PM
Are you fucking joking?

Cactus Lem
May 9th, 2008, 4:37 PM
Are you fucking joking?

The film came out two years ago.

Fair enough not spoiling a major twist or something, but read any review or any message board discussing the film TWO YEARS LATER, and expect spoilers.

Hulkamaniac
May 9th, 2008, 6:21 PM
The point is that this isnt the 'X-Men 3' thread, its a general ramble thread. Past 2 years is still recent enough for many people (myself included) to not getting around to watching the film. Or should I spoil the endings of The Departed, The Bourne Ultimatum, Pan's Labyrinth, The Prestige, Children of Men...(delete as appropriate depending of which of these films you havent seen) etc, for you?

Is it really so hard to put a spoiler box around it? When it is really the major spoiler of the film.

Jimmy Zero
May 9th, 2008, 6:41 PM
Yes. Edit your post. Go through this thread. There are no big spoilers revealed.

PurePlayer
May 9th, 2008, 6:59 PM
Mother Fucker........

Jimmy Zero
May 9th, 2008, 7:16 PM
Mother Fucker........

See?

Slare
May 9th, 2008, 7:18 PM
I was about to watch X-men three there.

Cunt.

Zarius
May 10th, 2008, 1:46 AM
I cant beleive they didnt use

the alternative line of dialouge the guards give Mystique, it's on the DVD

"Mr President, shut the fuck up"

Tim
May 10th, 2008, 4:54 AM
I was getting ready for bed, and then all of a sudden this comes on the TV:

http://www.thestrangers.net/?__source=GGL|the+strangers|TheStrangers_Movie|The Strangers_Specific

So I didn't leave my room to go to the bathroom again until the next day.

TRO
May 10th, 2008, 5:54 AM
Or should I spoil the endings of... Pan's Labyrinth

Hey, not to derail these posts, cause I agree with you, and I don't want to see anything spoiled here, but I've watched Pan's Labyrinth several times now (GREAT movie) and I still don't see any definitive interpretation of the ending.

Yeah, maybe she gets shot and just dies there and the whole pan thing is merely a delusion, or alternatively she dies and is released to a magical other dimension. It might be a fantasy movie or it might be a movie about a girl who has fantasies, it's entirely ambiguous. That's what I like about it. Do you have another interpretation? Cause you can't really spoil a movie that has two disparate endings, either of which might reasonably be the "true" story.

Really, I still can't get over how clever the whole thing is, it's still a good move whether she is delusional or she's really experiencing magic stuff. Brilliant film.

PurePlayer
May 10th, 2008, 4:27 PM
I saw X Men 3, and I thought it was a really good movie with some awesome action sequences. I didn't think it was better than the first two but a very worthy sequel.

Ace Rockola
May 10th, 2008, 5:50 PM
X-Men 3 could have been so much fucking better had Singer not bounced to do Stalkerman. Plus Fox getting all worried and rushing it to beat that turd to the box office.

Jimmy Zero
May 10th, 2008, 7:55 PM
Christ I must be the only person on earth that liked Ang Lee's Hulk and Superman Returns.

Hulkamaniac
May 10th, 2008, 9:38 PM
I liked them both. You're in good company.

PurePlayer
May 10th, 2008, 9:54 PM
I never saw the Hulk, but I really liked Superman Returns as well.

Ace Rockola
May 11th, 2008, 1:48 AM
To be fair to Supes, that character bores the shit out of me to begin with. Kevin Spacy was fantastic in it. But the rest with Superman just being a creepy stalker was awful. Plus the annoying little kid with the super powers *cue the Mall Rats rant*.

Anyways, on to an actual good movie. Saw Son of Rambow tonight. What a fucking fantastic movie that was. Much like my favorite movie last year, Once, it all plays off of what you are expecting to see. You know when the push over will stand up for herself, or when the jerk will show their heart. But it's all done so well that you don't even care. You want to see the happy parts you see coming and are sitting there hoping that the bad stuff will turn out alright when you know it will. Anyone who can't relate to the way those kids bonded over their imaginations had a sad childhood.

Morrison
May 11th, 2008, 4:25 AM
To be fair to Supes, that character bores the shit out of me to begin with. Kevin Spacy was fantastic in it. But the rest with Superman just being a creepy stalker was awful. Plus the annoying little kid with the super powers *cue the Mall Rats rant*.


You say 'the rest' as if any scene without Spacey was 'Superman being a creepy stalker.' Come on. It was a fun film