I'm Gonna Ramble On... (Movies/TV/Books version)

[mth]

I'm a big fan of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (the book), so naturally, I'm somewhat intrigued by a new film, but at the same time, I'm not a big Burton fan at all really, and those pictures don't grab me too much....well, the ones that show more landscape and scenery do more so than the character pictures. I'd rather see Guillermo Del Toro attached to it.

[son_of_foley]

I bought the following books

Case of the Generals thumb by Kurdov (sp)
Dream Number 9 or whatever ECG was talking about
The Strain
The Road

Still have to finish the 2nd Dexter book though about 2/3 through

[Hulkamaniac]

Looks like your typically boring Tim Burton offering with bright colors for the slack jawed assholes that like Tim Burton movies. Remember when he made good movies? It's been quite awhile.

I cant stand Tim Burton. Every movie in the same style and always casts his wife.

[Marlon Dingle]

She's not his wife.

[Guy]

Actually, Big Fish was a boring piece of shit. Well, actually it was pretty to look at, so maybe piece of shit is very slightly too harsh, but it's boring as a mother fucker.

I thought the main character was the most arrogant shit in the world.

And we're supposed to cheer someone who's stalking and stealing someone else's girlfriend at college? We're supposed to be upset when someone kicks the shit out of him for doing so?

[Jimmy Zero]

I thought the main character was the most arrogant shit in the world.

And we're supposed to cheer someone who's stalking and stealing someone else's girlfriend at college? We're supposed to be upset when someone kicks the shit out of him for doing so?

Thank you!

That main character was a whiny little self righteous cunt. The guy has a really good job, lives in a bomb ass place in Paris, has a fucking hot French wife and he can't find peace and happiness in his life because his fucking dad told stories when he was a kid. Fuck you.

Wow, I just looked at Burton's imdb page, and that guy has a sum total of 4 somewhat decent movies to his name. Pee Wee's Big Adventure is far and away his best movie. Then he's got Beetle Juice, Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood, the latter two aren't even that great anyways. Everything else he's made is pure crap.

[Guy]

I actually liked Sweeney Todd.

I mean yea the two main characters looked ridiculously Burton-esque, but the rest of it was quite well done in my opinion.

[Jimmy Zero]

Haven't seen it, but I've heard it's alright. Of course, Corpse Bride, Big Fish, Mars Attacks! and Sleepy Hollow are supposedly "good" as well.

[Marlon Dingle]

Mars Attacks is a fucking awesome film. Anything with Tom Jones killing aliens has to be a good thing.

[Guy]

Mars Attacks made me laugh at the time I first watched it, which is when I was about 9.

It's meh nowadays. The aliens are still pretty cool I guess, but very meh overall.

[IB]

I'm a typical Burton mark and love most of what he has done - Starting back with the first PeeWee Herman movie. Loved the shit out of that as a young lad.

Big Fish was better upon second viewing. First time not impressed, but on video it was a decent story and beautiful scenery.

Mars Attacks! was another good "bad" movie. Purposely in the style of old 40's/50's alien flicks, this film is cheeky and kept short.....Again, it's badness was obviously on purpose.

Corpse Bride was alright at best as I couldn't shake comparing it as the weaker sibling to Nightmore Before Xmas..Which is an all time favorite.

I'd really have to look at a full list of his films to find a few I don't care for.



oh yeah, and Batman Retuns was very well done too.

[Guy]

Wow, I just looked at Burton's imdb page, and that guy has a sum total of 4 somewhat decent movies to his name. Pee Wee's Big Adventure is far and away his best movie. Then he's got Beetle Juice, Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood, the latter two aren't even that great anyways. Everything else he's made is pure crap.

Also Bully has a point, you've clearly missed the Batman movies off of that list

[Jimmy Zero]

The Batman movies suck ass, so there's a reason I left them off that list.

[Guy]

Oh that's a bit unfair.

I mean I could certainly understand a bit of dislike for Batman Returns (as it's basically a Tim Burton stylized film starring Batman) but the first was great. It's probably difficult to see that in comparison to Nolan's nowadays, but if you take those out of the equation Burton's are quite enjoyable

Also they're responsible for the awesome wicked cool Batman animated series.

[Jimmy Zero]

I've hated the Burton Batman movies for a long time, a lot longer than Nolan's been doing them. They weren't that good when they came out and they've aged horribly, particularly the first one.

[Hulkamaniac]

I will say, in all honesty, that there is not a single Tim Burton film that I truly think is a very good film. Edward Scissorhands is good, thats the best he gets.

[IB]

Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007)
It was better than expected. Took me 3 viewings to finish it but still fell back in to the story each time.

Corpse Bride (2005)

Nightmare Before Xmas Jr. It was good but it was def. trying to recapture the magic of NBC

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005)

Horrible. No character development whatsoever. Beautiful scenery but the characters were sooooo stale it was painful.


Big Fish (2003)
Better upon second viewing. Bored the first time in the theatres.




Sleepy Hollow (1999)

Good film. In fact, I loved it. Ricci was sexy as hell and Depp was cooky as ever. All around good stuff.

Mars Attacks! (1996)

A favorite growing up. Now it is kinda painful to watch. Not as magical when your not 11.


Ed Wood (1994)

A brilliant film! Another personal favorite.

Batman Returns (1992)

Barring the new Nolan films, this is my favorite Batman film not featuring the Joker ;) Beautifully dark scenery and Devito played Penguin divine.

Edward Scissorhands (1990)

Another all time favorite. I have watched this film over 10 times and it still makes me smile. Wonderful film.

Batman (1989)

The best Batman film....ever?

Beetle Juice (1988)

Another favorite as a kid that cannot quite be rekindled as an adult. Brilliant film but the wonder of it is lost as you get older I guess.....Still love it in theory though.
PeeWee Big Adventure

Watched this movie dozens of times as a young kid. Large Marge scared the shit out of me and I remember dying to climb that huge dinosaur. Watched this on HBO a few months ago and still loved it - Granted it again, lost some of it's luster due to time/age

[son_of_foley]

A lack of character development isnt what ruined Chocolate factory it's that he sucked all life out of a story we all identify with. Depp basing Willy Wonka on Michael Jackson is a horrible decision.

The original has a mean streak for sure but even that isnt properly shown to us

[IB]

Agree SOF - The new Choco factory was so not-fun. The magic of the original was totally sucked away and in it's place was even wilder visuals (mostly computerized), stale characters & no real point....

[Jimmy Zero]

Sounds like every other Tim Burton movie.

[Ringo]

Yeah, I don't think I like ONE Burton film to be honest. They range from tedious to unwatchable. Haven't seen Sweeney Todd though, and I think I might like that by the sound of it.

[N.E.R.F.]

I do love a bit of Mars Attacks, even now. Any Portman is good Portman.

[KorruptJustice]

The best Batman film....ever?


Really? I don't hate that movie like a lot of others here do (in fact I still enjoy watching it every now and then), but I really don't see how you can say that it's better than The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, or even Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Burton's Batman is good; those other three range from great to fucking amazing.

Anyway, Burton films:
I loved Sleepy Hollow and Beetle Juice.

I thought Batman, Mars Attacks, and Sweeney Todd were good (admittedly I haven't seen Mars Attacks since I was a kid).

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Planet of the Apes were fucking shit, and everything else of his I've either never seen or would just rate as average.

[mth]

mth's random Tim Burton thoughts:

I like Edward Scissorhands.
Nightmare Before Christmas, I can't comment on, 'cuz I saw it when I was probably 10 and don't remember it well enough.
I saw Mars Attacks when I was maybe 11 and then bits on TV since then, and it's ok in my book, but I'd probably have to see it again to really decide.
Corpse Bride was awful, of this I am certain.
Batman is decent, Batman returns is ok.
Sleepy Hollow was pretty cool.
Only seen bits of Beetlejuice, but didn't really like what I saw all that much.
I think him using the same people in everything he does is rather annoying.
Overall, I don't really like Burton, but he's probably got his niche of goth folk that lap up everything he does.

[Zen]

batman was quality, the rest dont interest me at all.

[Hulkamaniac]

Nightmare Before Christmas isnt Tim Burton's film anyway.

[Jimmy Zero]

That's probably why it's a great movie.

[Marlon Dingle]

Nightmare Before Christmas isnt Tim Burton's film anyway.

Even you though Mik can not deny his style appeals to a lot of people, and the theme's he explores in his films are really interesting. I am the same with his films, they don't really do much for me, but I can appreciate them. I think in 40-50 years people will look back and their heads will spin at the darkness of his films and some of the stuff he attempted in his films. Like Edward Scissorhands, as a concept, when I was a child I found it one the strangest things I had ever seen in a film. I personally don't see a problem with him collaborating with Depp all the time, because they haven't hit a bum note yet. I think it would be nice to see him do something totally out of his comfort zone though, all though he has pretty much covered all genres it would be good to see him do something more set in the real world and less stylistic.

[son_of_foley]

They have hit a bum note. Charlie and the chocolate factory was without a doubt one of the most dissapointing cinematics experiences I've ever had and I didnt even have high expectations. It was horrible.

[Hulkamaniac]

Even you though Mik can not deny his style appeals to a lot of people, and the theme's he explores in his films are really interesting. I am the same with his films, they don't really do much for me, but I can appreciate them. I think in 40-50 years people will look back and their heads will spin at the darkness of his films and some of the stuff he attempted in his films. Like Edward Scissorhands, as a concept, when I was a child I found it one the strangest things I had ever seen in a film. I personally don't see a problem with him collaborating with Depp all the time, because they haven't hit a bum note yet. I think it would be nice to see him do something totally out of his comfort zone though, all though he has pretty much covered all genres it would be good to see him do something more set in the real world and less stylistic.

I'm not denying that he has a style that appeals to some. I just find him to be a very repetitive and boring fan-boy film-maker who has become famous off making the same film over and over again with the exact same style.

It also irks me that he gets much more credit for Nightmare Before Christmas than he deserves.

[Marlon Dingle]

Have you seen Sweeney Todd? I think that is an exception where his style fitted the movie. Like Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and Alice in Wonderland to me, dont fit his style and maybe why they dont/wont work. I would really like to see him try something really different, but from what I can see what he has lined up it all looks a bit same old.

[PurePlayer]

I wouldn't call myself a Tim Burton fan, but I definitely like quite a few of his movies like, Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Beetlejuice, Sleepy Hollow.

Recently I have been on a Billy Wilder tear watching movies like Sunset Blvd, Some Like it Hot, and the Apartment. I loved each of those movies, and I honestly did not see one flaw in any of them. The acting was top notch, the writing/directing were superb, and the comedy in the latter two were great. Any other Wilder films you guys suggest?

[Jimmy Zero]

Recently I have been on a Billy Wilder tear watching movies like Sunset Blvd, Some Like it Hot, and the Apartment. I loved each of those movies, and I honestly did not see one flaw in any of them. The acting was top notch, the writing/directing were superb, and the comedy in the latter two were great. Any other Wilder films you guys suggest?

The Apartment, Stalag 17, Spirit of St. Louis, Seven Year Itch (Marilyn in the white dress), Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd.

[PurePlayer]

The Apartment, Stalag 17, Spirit of St. Louis, Seven Year Itch (Marilyn in the white dress), Double Indemnity, Sunset Blvd.

Yeah I've seen The Apartment, Some like it Hot, and Sunset Blvd. I just watched Double Indemnity, and I loved it. The acting by McMurrey and the supporting cast was really good as was the writing much like all Wilder films. I always like movies based around the villain. I think I will go with Stalog 17 next.

[Canuck]

Anyone care to suggest a film for me to watch tonight?

[Version 6]

If you haven't already, This is Spinal Tap.

Actually, even if you have...

[Murphy]

Right, what should I watch out of The Untouchables, Mystic River and Night Hawks? I’m thinking The Untouchables, but Mystic River looks bloody good.

[son_of_foley]

Mystic River is really bleak but good. Really really bleak.

[son_of_foley]

I think I should say it's like Gone Baby Gone as that really annoyed someone before.

[Marlon Dingle]

The Untouchables is amazing if you can get over the ridiculous soundtrack.

[Guy]

and Sean Connery's Irish accent

[Cactus Lem]

And the sappy melodrama, Kevin Costner's awful acting, the misuse of The De Niro and Al Capone and the overrated Battleship Potemkin homage and all the rest of the dated shit throughout the film.

[Murphy]

Why the name change, Cactus?

[Organasm]

Kevin Costner's awful acting.

To me Elliot Ness is Costner's Terminator role, it his awkward woodness that make Elliot look like the big un-fun square they were actually going for.
If you want to talk about dated DePalma films Scarface is RIGHT THERE.

Now who wants a movie about the people who started Facebook?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/

[Fro]

Why didn't someone tell me Topanga has her own show now?

http://laist.com/attachments/la_julie/Danielle-Fishel-The-Dish.jpg

It's a crappy The Soup spinoff, but still.

[son_of_foley]

For UK'ers is the soup like E Tonight or something like a entertainment news round-up? She looks odd but I still love her because of boy meets world

[Guy]

Topanga was fit, though her weight fluctuated quite a bit if I remember right.

[EdgeHead469]

Knowing with Nick Cage was the absolute worst movie I have witnessed in ages. Horrible ending and choppy plot. What a waste of $5 dollars, and I am not one to complain about $5 usually, or be harsh towards any movie at that.

[IB]

Knowing with Nick Cage was the absolute worst movie I have witnessed in ages. Horrible ending and choppy plot. What a waste of $5 dollars, and I am not one to complain about $5 usually, or be harsh towards any movie at that.


I got it but haven't watched it yet...Put this review in the review thread and maybe elaborate.

[Fro]

For UK'ers is the soup like E Tonight or something like a entertainment news round-up? She looks odd but I still love her because of boy meets world

It's a comedy show on E where they play clips of recent pop culture and television show moments with Joel McHale providing sarcastic commentary.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/The_Soup_Set.png

It's pretty funny, I don't watch it regularly but sometimes check it out if nothing's on. Mainly they just make fun of reality shows.

[Hulkamaniac]

Why didn't someone tell me Topanga has her own show now?

http://laist.com/attachments/la_julie/Danielle-Fishel-The-Dish.jpg

It's a crappy The Soup spinoff, but still.

She's always had a lovely rack. Top drawer quality.

[Adamy]

It's a comedy show on E where they play clips of recent pop culture and television show moments with Joel McHale providing sarcastic commentary.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/The_Soup_Set.png

It's pretty funny, I don't watch it regularly but sometimes check it out if nothing's on. Mainly they just make fun of reality shows.

The Soup is amazing, but the time slot sucks. Fridays at 10:30? Really dudes?

[Ace Rockola]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4c5798b5271bede42b7ab11ff70ee5d4

Looks like DC is ready to actually get some stuff off the ground that isn't Batman.

Wonder what this means for the Deadpool spin off?

[VanillaJello]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4c5798b5271bede42b7ab11ff70ee5d4

Looks like DC is ready to actually get some stuff off the ground that isn't Batman.

Wonder what this means for the Deadpool spin off?

It better damn well not cancel the Deadpool movie... or cause a casting change.

Of course, with Reynolds love of Deadpool, I'm sure if push came to shove, he'd go with Pool's movie.

[Zen]

Saw "Whatever Works" recently.

Larry David is as usual brilliant. Top notch film.

Glad I saw this one over Bruno.

[Beefy]

Really? Every review that I read said that it was terrible. I love Larry David and I tend to enjoy Woody Allen films so I was looking forward to it.

[Zen]

Who said it was terrible? A bunch of mongloids perhaps.

If you like Larry David and his style, as well as Woody's...then this movie is for you, because it fits them to a T.

All I know is up here some of my buddies had seen it and recommended it as being good, and on some of the film review sites I perused, it got a higher average rating than did the other comedies out there now.

Anyways, dont bother with reviews too much, go in there and make a decision for yourself.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Who said it was terrible? A bunch of mongloids perhaps.

If you like Larry David and his style, as well as Woody's...then this movie is for you, because it fits them to a T.

All I know is up here some of my buddies had seen it and recommended it as being good, and on some of the film review sites I perused, it got a higher average rating than did the other comedies out there now.

Anyways, dont bother with reviews too much, go in there and make a decision for yourself.

From the trailer it just looks like Larry David is playing Woody Allen :\ Nobody can play Woody as well as Woody, DAMNIT

[KorruptJustice]

It better damn well not cancel the Deadpool movie... or cause a casting change.

Of course, with Reynolds love of Deadpool, I'm sure if push came to shove, he'd go with Pool's movie.

Yeah, as much as I would love to finally see a Green Lantern movie, losing Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool would definitely not be worth it.

[Hulkamaniac]

From the trailer it just looks like Larry David is playing Woody Allen :\ Nobody can play Woody as well as Woody, DAMNIT

But then, with that said, people have got more than a bit tired of seeing Woody Allen play Woody Allen too. Why cant he write characters that arent just an extension of himself?

[Keano's Magic Hat]

But then, with that said, people have got more than a bit tired of seeing Woody Allen play Woody Allen too. Why cant he write characters that arent just an extension of himself?

I don't know, it just seems a bit awkward to me. Woody Allen hasn't played himself in a film in about 10 years. I'd be delighted to see his return :\

[Murphy]

How fucking good is A History of Violence? Brutally brilliant film. Loved it from start to finish.

Also saw The Green Mile again. Can't believe it's 10 years old now. As good as I'd remembered it. :yes:

Reading the book recently was my main reason for wanting to see the film again. One of my all time favourites. The book tied up a few loose ends, which was nice.

[Hulkamaniac]

A History of Violence is immense.

[Kure]

Whatever Works was good. I laughed so much I thought they were going to throw me out of the artsy theater I saw it in.

A History of Violence is amazing, right down to the sex scene with the cheerleader outfit.

I remember reading the book after seeing the movie and thinking the book was a bit of a letdown.

[Mr_Nobody]

Being out for the summer, I'm able to watch The West Wing on Bravo, which I'm very thankful for, because it's been too long since I've seen this show, picking up with the very first episode. Today, they played In the Shadow of Two Gun Men, which is the Season 2 premiere. The first two minutes of the episode, the teaser, before the opening credits, are probably some of the most dramatic moments of television. The episode itself is very good, but the opening, if you were not a fan of the show or had never seen the show before hand, this first two minutes hook you immediately.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Am I the only person on here who thinks 'A History Of Violence' is a bit shite?

[Hulkamaniac]

Not at all, it definitely splits audiences. I posted about it at quite extensive length when it first came out discussing why.

[I refuse to job. Ever.]

Knowing with Nick Cage was the absolute worst movie I have witnessed in ages. Horrible ending and choppy plot. What a waste of $5 dollars, and I am not one to complain about $5 usually, or be harsh towards any movie at that.

Agreed.

I actually reasonably enjoyed the majority of the first half of the movie, but then it completely nose-dived from there.

Ending spoiler:
The destruction of the world was pretty well-done, if not a bit morose, but the cgi in general in the film was shocking. Particularly the subway trains, the airplane, and the fact that the two kids at the end looked to have stepped into a level off Halo.

Also, I'd kinda lost interest at this point but did that alien ship really only drop those 2 kids off? I mean, for a craft of that size to travel all the way to earth and then only pick up 2 passengers? Seems like a waste of petrol to me. Plus I remember there only being around a dozen or so ships at the end. Does this mean there were only 24 people rescued? Again, that seems ridiculous if it's the case. I suppose it could be explained that the aliens had made numerous trips to earth beforehand, but the landscape in that final scene looked a little deserted.

Anyway, I read a few reviews of the film (foolishly, after I'd watched it) and I think this paragraph here sums it up pretty well...


The finale is so excessively depicted that it throws the tensions of futuristic foretelling into a ditch. It was a nice ride, however, while it was on the flat road of a mystery.

Luckily for me I didn't waste any money on it.

[Marlon Dingle]

Just sitting here at my desk, and I just started wondering, what happened to Irvin Kershner? Can anyone explain?

[VanillaJello]

Just sitting here at my desk, and I just started wondering, what happened to Irvin Kershner? Can anyone explain?

Retired?

I mean the guy was born in '23.

[Marlon Dingle]

Retired?

I mean the guy was born in '23.

I understand that, but to put out something as good as Empire Strikes Back, then to follow it with a couple of shit films then just give up, seems a bit lazy. Can anyone else name one hit wonder directors?

P.S. Loving the avatar.

[Hulkamaniac]

Michael Cimino.

[VanillaJello]

I was going to say M. Night, but I love Signs and Unbreakable as well as the Sixth Sense... so he's out.

Zach Braff I suppose. He's done Garden State and then?

Only two I can think of off the top of my head.

[Hulkamaniac]

Hardly fair on Zach Braff, he's only directed one film so far. He's only just breaking into direction, he's still busy acting.

[VanillaJello]

Michael Cimino.

Good call. Nothing in his resume comes close to Deer Hunter.

[Cactus Lem]

Michael Cimino.

I dunno, I wouldn't say it was a huge hit or anything, but Thunderbolt and Lightfoot is one enjoyable movie.

[N.E.R.F.]

one hit wonder director: Mary Harron.

[Guy]

Tony Kay of American History X fame.

Only film he's made pretty much

[Cactus Lem]

Tony Kay of American History X fame.

Only film he's made pretty much

Didn't it get credited as an Alan Smithee anyway?

[Guy]

No.


He tried to take his name off but was unsuccessful I believe

[UncannyIowan]

So I'm just now reading about Jeffrey Donovan's DUI arrest and it made me kind of laugh. Seriously, is it that big of a deal when actors get arrested for this stuff? Mel Gibson is one thing, but all these random little pieces about so and so celebrity drunk driving is lame.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

.

[IB]

Found this article/video on Yahoo. The youngest Anakin Skywalker, Jake Lloyd talks about Episode 1, the troubles he faced in school, being called the reason Star Wars Ep. 1 sucked, ect....

Sour grapes? Nah but this kid has had it hard in terms of people's frustrations.

Watch the video at the bottom - It's 5 minutes and pretty good............


http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/buzz_log_anakin.html

[Ace Rockola]

Man, he looks JUST like a good friend of mine. I'm gonna have to start calling my buddy "Annie" now.

While he was terrible in the movie, it's not his fault. He was a little kid in the hands of a terrible director with perhaps the biggest expectations movie goers could ever have from a film. I'm sure he caught a bunch of shit, and probably more than once had full grown adults bust his balls over it.

It is kinda messed up that he says he's been working since he was 5. In middle school I was friends with a kid who moved here from California and his parents tried to make him a child star. He had a part on a couple episodes of Full House as like a cousin or something when he was like 4 or 5. I stopped hanging out with him after a month or two cause it became all he ever talked about. Once we went to the same high school he was catching beatings from guys cause he still thought his two part episode apperance was something to really brag about.

[Marlon Dingle]

I fucking love Tron. And this trailer made me wet my pants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jfm0hq0bk

[GeezaTap]

So, I saw Antichrist over the weekend..........

I can safely say, even with seeing Audition etc, I've never seen a horror that felt like it was an attack on my senses.

REALLY worth seeing if you're a fan of Willem Dafoe/horrors which are more than trying to guess who the killer is.

'SHE' CUTS HER CLIT OFF WITH A PAIR OF RUSTY SCISSORS!

[Alf]

I can't find a thread on it, but True Blood is fucking brilliant.

[Hulkamaniac]

I was asking about it the other day. I'm going to have to teach it next year.

[Alf]

It's bloody filthy mate. It's practically pornographic... I'm not sure how well that'll go down in the classroom.

It's a tremendous show though and would be brilliant material for teaching.

There's all sorts of themes on sexuality, race, rights, violence, sub-cultures etc etc etc.

It'll be a gold mine.

[IB]

I can't find a thread on it, but True Blood is fucking brilliant.



Quickly becoming a weekly obsession. :yes:

[Hulkamaniac]

I think that I've Sky+ed it from the second episode. Will have to look to download the first one.

[Marlon Dingle]

I think that I've Sky+ed it from the second episode. Will have to look to download the first one.

Is it on FX over here? I seen the adverts for it a couple weeks back, wish I started watching this now. :(

EDIT: Just read it'll be on Channel 4 later this year. Woop! :)

[Marlon Dingle]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/15/article-1199847-05B3EA4B000005DC-675_468x620.jpg

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/balefighterBAR_450x599.jpg

Looks like Bale's gone all method acting again for The Fighter, where he plays Mark Wahlberg's drug addicted boxing brother.

[Cubed-Sphere]

I think the more important Bale news bit is that he's in the running for the part of Solid Snake for the MGS movie. Awesome. He has the look if you throw a mullet and stubble on him and he sure as hell has the gruff voice (see: Batman Begins and The Dark Knight).

[Guy]

I don't know if I can stick more "gruff voiced" Bale after Terminator. He should just keep it for The Batman I feel.

Now I know he's supposed to be a druggie and look like shit, which is fine, but is Bale ACTUALLY balding there? Because that's upsetting.

Wahlberg better bring his A game, because I've been fucking despising him recently.

[son_of_foley]

He brought us Entourage so he's basically brilliant

[Marlon Dingle]

Now I know he's supposed to be a druggie and look like shit, which is fine, but is Bale ACTUALLY balding there? Because that's upsetting.

Wahlberg better bring his A game, because I've been fucking despising him recently.

Hahaha, OMG HE'S GOING BALD. Naa I think his hair is meant to look like that, afterall he is playing someone based in real life.

Wahlberg always brings his A game to good movies, e.g. Boogie Nights, The Departed, etc.... It's just shit one's his acting is bad.

[Hulkamaniac]

I don't know if I can stick more "gruff voiced" Bale after Terminator. He should just keep it for The Batman I feel.

Now I know he's supposed to be a druggie and look like shit, which is fine, but is Bale ACTUALLY balding there? Because that's upsetting.


He has had his hair thinned for the role.

If Bale does get the gig of Solid Snake, I hope that they go for Sean Bean as his brother as I've always wanted him to get that job.

[Guy]

He brought us Entourage so he's basically brilliant

I said it in the Entourage thread, but the few episode I saw of that show really bugged me. It was like watching 4 Mark Wahlberg's talking for half an hour (yes I know he produced it)



Wahlberg always brings his A game to good movies, e.g. Boogie Nights, The Departed, etc.... It's just shit one's his acting is bad.

Whilst I enjoyed him in The Departed, I don't know whether he was acting well or whether that part just suited him. I mean it was pretty much being as in-your-face offensive as possible. Enjoyable however.

The Happening though :lol:


He has had his hair thinned for the role.


It was the huge receding line on the sides that I noticed. I assumed it was done for the part (as his hairline is fine in Terminator), a balding Bale would just upset me :(

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PuZoLkvmBbc/SZXz7_Ff_8I/AAAAAAAACqA/sKfqqoy7ETM/s320/Patrick+Bateman.bmp

[Marlon Dingle]

It was the huge receding line on the sides that I noticed. I assumed it was done for the part (as his hairline is fine in Terminator), a balding Bale would just upset me :(

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PuZoLkvmBbc/SZXz7_Ff_8I/AAAAAAAACqA/sKfqqoy7ETM/s320/Patrick+Bateman.bmp

They look shaved in.

[son_of_foley]

Entourage is brilliant you are a bad person.

[Guy]

They look shaved in.

I believe we've covered that now DINGLE :heart:

I wonder what his accent's gonna be like, I have yet to see Public Enemies, did he end up using that "New york cabbie" accent he was using in interviews a while back?

[Guy]

Entourage is brilliant you are a bad person.

I'm happy to discuss it with you in the Entourage thread if you like

[son_of_foley]

I can't go in there because I haven't watched ep3 of the current series yet and spoilers would upset me a great deal. I think it's a light programme which plays on most peoples ideals of hollywood and at the same time had a rich vein of humour. Lovely escapism

[Guy]

I can't go in there because I haven't watched ep3 of the current series yet and spoilers would upset me a great deal. I think it's a light programme which plays on most peoples ideals of hollywood and at the same time had a rich vein of humour. Lovely escapism

And I just wrote a lovely post in there and everything. Well feel free to jump in once you've seen whatever episode you're missing, I'm in no rush to watch it so I can wait on the response.

I'm willing to keep going with it if I know what improves and what not

[son_of_foley]

Right well I'll go in there later. The characters become a bit more rounded as it goes on and for a series it switches focus almost entirely to big ARI GOLD.

[Hulkamaniac]

[color=red]It was the huge receding line on the sides that I noticed. I assumed it was done for the part (as his hairline is fine in Terminator), a balding Bale would just upset me :(

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PuZoLkvmBbc/SZXz7_Ff_8I/AAAAAAAACqA/sKfqqoy7ETM/s320/Patrick+Bateman.bmp

In interviews I'd seen of him recently, he still had beautifully thick hair. He had everything that was going on in that 'The Fighter' haircut done professionally. Although he has lost a lot of weight again, he should be in much better shape than he was in The Machinist or Rescue Dawn. However, if he does keep fluctuating in weight so much then his hair is going to suffer because of it.

[Alf]

It looks to me like he's shaved his hairline. It wouldn't recede that much so quickly.

Benicio Del Toro did the same thing for Usual Suspects.

[son_of_foley]

I did a similar thing for my role in the bob hoskins bi-opic 'BOB'

[Jimmy Zero]

The Happening though :lol:

That's unfair. It was an M. Night movie, therefore he was bound to suck.

[Guy]

That's unfair. It was an M. Night movie, therefore he was bound to suck.

I was referring to Wahlberg "acting" more than the film itself.

The film itself was very 'meh', but the acting dragged it into unintentional comedy.

...actually the more I watched it the more I wondered if it was unintentional at all

[son_of_foley]

It wasn't just his acting though it was everyones so I'm blaming it on the direction. Awful film.

[Guy]

I don't remember Leguizamo being too bad. Zooey was definitely quite bad.

I think Wahlberg gets the brunt of it because he was offensively terrible and the camera was practically up his massive nostrils for half the film

[Jimmy Zero]

See, but there you go. Zooey was terrible in it too, and she's a fantastic actress. M. Night should be shipped off so I don't have to watch his slumdog horror movies anymore.

What kind of name for a film is The Happening, anyways? How unoriginal and boring can you be?

[son_of_foley]

Leguizamo was a bit OTT as well all the bit part characters were as well. I think it was some sort of homage to 50's B Films in that regard

[Marlon Dingle]

I've not seen it, but to be fair I don't think High School Science teacher was ever going to work for Wahlberg.

[Guy]

See, but there you go. Zooey was terrible in it too, and she's a fantastic actress. M. Night should be shipped off so I don't have to watch his slumdog horror movies anymore.

What kind of name for a film is The Happening, anyways? How unoriginal and boring can you be?

Why do you HAVE to watch them in the first place?

You work at a cinema?


Leguizamo was a bit OTT as well all the bit part characters were as well. I think it was some sort of homage to 50's B Films in that regard

It was definitely a homage to fifties B-movies. But I don't think it came across to well at all.

we were sitting at home trying to figure out if it was an intentional parody or an attempt at a serious horror. It doesn't work straight as either

[Hulkamaniac]

He always fools you though. I'm fascinated in seeing The Last Airbender.

[Guy]

I've not seen it, but to be fair I don't think High School Science teacher was ever going to work for Wahlberg.

When he refused to play the games (or at the very least watch the cut scenes) to research the Max Payne character I was extremely annoyed.

It's not like he was doing Doom or some shit with brand new, made up characters. He was playing Max Payne (an established character) in a film called Max Payne.

[Marlon Dingle]

Why do you HAVE to watch them in the first place?

You work at a cinema?


EDIT: I see you've edited your own post.

[Jimmy Zero]

Why do you HAVE to watch them in the first place?

You work at a cinema?

I should have said, "so I don't have to see advertisements or hear about his crappy movies."

I haven't watched any of his shit since The Village. He's a god awful hack, but I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before.

[Guy]

The Village was the first and only film I've ever walked out of at the cinema

[IB]

The Village was the first and only film I've ever walked out of at the cinema



At what point did you say "this is shit" and leave? Just curious.

[Guy]

I honestly couldn't tell you, I haven't re-visited it.

[Ace Rockola]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41957

I would have thought there was a Grindhouse thread, but no dice.

Robert sure has some interesting ideas for that Machete cast.

[The Rogerer]

Here's one. Why does every TV show add faux camcorder graphics to a camcorder scene. You know what I mean, a white border, the word 'Rec' and a red flashing light. I can understand this in a sitcom, but they do it in documentaries as well. Why?

[Marlon Dingle]

Desperate Romantics: I know Charlie Brooker was banging on about this last night, but it is pretty good. I'm gutted I've only decided to tune in on the 5th episode(out of a 6 part series). But lots of boobies. Anyone else been watching?

[Alf]

Here's one. Why does every TV show add faux camcorder graphics to a camcorder scene. You know what I mean, a white border, the word 'Rec' and a red flashing light. I can understand this in a sitcom, but they do it in documentaries as well. Why?

It's for the benefit of TV watchers stupider than you, who would get confused by the change in perspective.

[Alf]

The Village was the first and only film I've ever walked out of at the cinema

That's odd... it's actually a decent film. I can't see what about it you'd react so strongly against.

Did you read any reviews before you went to see it?

[Alf]

Personally I think Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, The Village, and Lady In The Water are all fine films. Especially Unbreakable which I think is fantastic.

It's popular to bash M Night.

[Marlon Dingle]

I think Signs is a decent, suspenseful film.

[son_of_foley]

The happening is a brilliant reason to bash him. It's properly awful.

[Canuck]

The Village was a bit shit. The rest were good.

[Hobbit]

I love The Village. In fact my least favourite of his is Lady in the Water but I still think it's an alright film. The Happening is so bad it's good.

[son_of_foley]

NOT TRUE HOBBIT FACE

[Keano's Magic Hat]

The Sixth Sense is a stunning film. Unbreakable is very good. I like the twist in The Village.. the rest are all shite.

[Hulkamaniac]

I thought that Signs was awfully hokey and contrived all for the big 'twist' at the end. Sixth Sense and Unbreakable were both very good, but the guy is a one-trick pony. Its like reading Dan Brown books, once you've heard mysterious characters in tense quiet voices speak about something very secret...you've heard it all.

[Guy]

The Happening is an extremely interesting film to watch.

Not because it's any good mind, but because it's fun to try and figure out if the actors were instructed to act that shit and badly.

I started off laughing at how fantastically shit Wahlberg is, then I got to a point where I decided it's got to have been done on purpose...hasn't it?

[Guy]

That's odd... it's actually a decent film. I can't see what about it you'd react so strongly against.

Did you read any reviews before you went to see it?

No I didn't read anything about it beforehand, we were just in town at the time and on a whim me and a mate decided to go watch a film.

I think we must've gotten about halfway through it and just thought "Good god this is fucking boring" and which point we both realised that we weren't tied to the chair and had the option of not watching the rest of it.

So we did that.

Like I say I havn't gone back to see it since so I couldn't tell you where I stopped watching. It wasn't that anything was stand-out terrible or bad, it's not like something was putting us off, we just both lost any and all interest in it and decided we'd be happy doing something else.

Just to chime in on M. Night Shramalamadingdong's other movies:

Signs: Haven't seen
Sixth Sense: Pretty decent
Unbreakable: Also pretty decent, shame we never got the sequel
Lady in the Water: Haven't seen it
The Happening: Laughably terrible
Last airbender: I have no intention to see it thus far

[Hobbit]

NOT TRUE HOBBIT FACE

Oh it's true, it's true.

The Happening has that amazing scene where Mark Wahlberg talks to the plant, trying to reason with it and begging it to let them go at least. Quality stuff.

[Guy]

It was that scene where I decided this "being unbelievably shit" business had to be intentional

[Alf]

I don't understand what's bad with the first half of The Village, there is literally nowt there that could make any normal person want to leave through boredom...

That is so odd.

[Guy]

I don't really remember much of it at all.

I remember one "attack scene" where everyone was panicked because of the 'monsters'.

That's all I can remember. It was a long time ago

[Alf]

That's ace that bit, that's where she leaves the door open and thingy 'rescues' her just in time. That's a great scene and perfectly shot...

You need to see it again Blood.

[Guy]

Yea I remember all that, they hide in a celler don't they?

Anyways yea. I might see it again one day, I might not, I'm not too bothered.

I know how it all ends anyway

[BabyBooboo]

Damn, I was really hoping that Leo might have a good chance at Best Actor this year with Shutter Island. Then I saw the trailer for The Road.


fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Alf]

When is The Road out? I'm so looking forward to it.

[Marlon Dingle]

When is The Road out? I'm so looking forward to it.

8 January 2010 (UK)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/

Come on Alf, I thought we went over this last week?

[Fro]

What's all this about the Oscars nominating 10 films for best picture? That seems a bit excessive.

(Heard about this in the Shutter Island thread but figured it was better to ask in here)

[Morrison]

yeah, they upped the amount of nominations to 10, most likely to open up things up to less 'oscary' films in hopes of gaining more viewers to the broadcast.

[Canuck]

Alright, so I referred to Sunshine Cleaning as an 'Indie' film in the movie review thread, and while I'm not sure if that's politically correct, I'm looking for some recommendations on more films like it. To get a grasp on what I consider Indie, I'm looking for films like Sunshine Cleaning, Little Miss Sunshine, Juno, Nick and Norah, Garden State, etc...

[Hulkamaniac]

500 Days of Summer.

[Canuck]

Been trying to get my hands on that any way possible. Didn't get released in my parts and had no success in downloading it a while back. I just want to see it.

[BIGFEETS]

http://gawker.com/5368688/snl-cast-member-jenny-slates-first-fuking-show-f+bomb-dropped

Well, I did sit through most of SNL when this happened.

Maybe I am just too damn old and out of touch because I do not find SNL funny anymore, and I have not in a long time. However, if they have a cast member say the word fuck every week, I may watch.

[Wooooo]

Alright, so I referred to Sunshine Cleaning as an 'Indie' film in the movie review thread, and while I'm not sure if that's politically correct, I'm looking for some recommendations on more films like it. To get a grasp on what I consider Indie, I'm looking for films like Sunshine Cleaning, Little Miss Sunshine, Juno, Nick and Norah, Garden State, etc...

adventureland

[Keano's Magic Hat]

The opening to Saving Private Ryan- the greatest half hour ever in film?

[TapOut]

I still like Family Guy, but after the first two episodes it feels like they come out with something they think will be interesting animation to win them some award, and then build a story around it. It seems a bit forced.

[Marlon Dingle]

http://www.empireonline.com/promotions/toystory/

I scored 15/20 in 71.60. Yus!!!!

[Keano's Magic Hat]

11/20 in 35 seconds

[Matt E]

17/20 in 58.61. Didn't have a clue on director or writer and got one other about Buzz wrong.

[mth]

I still like Family Guy, but after the first two episodes it feels like they come out with something they think will be interesting animation to win them some award, and then build a story around it. It seems a bit forced.

Was there something on last night's episode that made you think this? The cardboard cutout?

[Morrison]

http://www.empireonline.com/promotions/toystory/

I scored 15/20 in 71.60. Yus!!!!

19/20 in 71.98 seconds.

probably wouldn't of scored so well had i not just watched the 3d double feature this weekend.

[Sparky]

Serious question. Is there or has there ever been any books or graphic novels based on Mega Man X?

[Murphy]

I watched Seven Pounds the other night after my sister was raving about it and leant it to me.

I thought Will Smith, who I'm not particularly fond of, was better than the film. It was a bit too silly for me. Having said that, I did enjoy it.

I love Woody Harrelson. :heart:

[Canuck]

http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/natures-most-amazing-events.jpg

Anyone seen this. Worth getting?

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Yeah, I heard a lot of the events shown are amazing.

[Marlon Dingle]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01534/karate-kid_1534439c.jpg

First pics of The Karate Kid remake, starring Will Smith's son in the title role and Jackie Chan as Mr Miyagi. Yay or Nay? I'm not happy with the title "The Kung-Fu Kid".

[Guy]

Big Photo.

http://cdn.buzznet.com/media/jjr//2009/09/jaden-kungfu/jaden-smith-kung-fu-kid-05.jpg

Jackie Chan is rocking a tache here.

Honestly I probably won't see it. I do like Jackie Chan, and I realise that he can't still be knocking out Kung Fu epics every year anymore (though he did pretty well with NEW Police Story). But sadly without the action, he's just got doofy kiddy humour left

[Guy]

I mean look at this:

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/10/16/spy-next-door-poster.jpg

A HILARIOUS film where, according to the trailer, master spy Jackie Chan can use more gadgets than James Bond, fight 4 guys at a time and side down the side of buildings with no rope. But doesn't remember to put oven gloves on when taking food out and trips over a garden hose because a child put it there.

BRILLIANT

Oh and just incase you didn't know it was supposed to be funny:

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/11/30/spy-next-door-poster-2.jpg

This plain white poster lets you know it's on the same hilarious level as Daddy Day Care and Norbit

[Morrison]

This plain white poster lets you know it's on the same hilarious level as Daddy Day Care and Norbit

yeah, films that weren't supposed to be funny to you, the 20 something year old with no children.

[Jimmy Zero]

Seriously.

Complaining about children's movies now, Blood? Come on, man. I bet you didn't like Sharkboy and Lava Girl either?

"Man, Spy Kids 3D totally sold out the franchise. The lack of blue filter and abundance of computer generated Sly Stallone totally ruined it."

Also, is that BBC Nature thing the same doc as the Planet Earth series that was aired in the States a few years back? If so, then you should definitely buy it. Planet Earth was fucking incredible.

[Marlon Dingle]

Seriously.

Complaining about children's movies now, Blood? Come on, man. I bet you didn't like Sharkboy and Lava Girl either?

"Man, Spy Kids 3D totally sold out the franchise. The lack of blue filter and abundance of computer generated Sly Stallone totally ruined it."

Also, is that BBC Nature thing the same doc as the Planet Earth series that was aired in the States a few years back? If so, then you should definitely buy it. Planet Earth was fucking incredible.

I found out last week that Sharkboy is that Taylor Lautner fella who gets all the ladies wet. Hahaha Sharkboy.

[Guy]

Seriously.

Complaining about children's movies now, Blood? Come on, man. I bet you didn't like Sharkboy and Lava Girl either?

"Man, Spy Kids 3D totally sold out the franchise. The lack of blue filter and abundance of computer generated Sly Stallone totally ruined it."

Also, is that BBC Nature thing the same doc as the Planet Earth series that was aired in the States a few years back? If so, then you should definitely buy it. Planet Earth was fucking incredible.

It's not kid's movies I'm complaining about, simply saying it's a shame that Jackie Chan only has two modes, childish humour and hardcore action.

I think it's a shame because I like the guy, he's quite charismatic, clearly massively talented, but every year he'll be making less and less films that I'll be able to enjoy. I'd love to see him try and tackle some actual drama, he did far better in New Police Story than I could've imagined in terms of actual acting.

I haven't seen Lava Boy and Shark Girl, nor have I seen any Spy Kids. I've probably seen a total of half an hour combined of both Norbit and Daddy day Care, either way I was taking a shot at the bland averageness of the poster more than anything.

[Jimmy Zero]

It's not kid's movies I'm complaining about, simply saying it's a shame that Jackie Chan only has two modes, childish humour and hardcore action.

I think it's a shame because I like the guy, he's quite charismatic, clearly massively talented, but every year he'll be making less and less films that I'll be able to enjoy. I'd love to see him try and tackle some actual drama, he did far better in New Police Story than I could've imagined in terms of actual acting.

Jesus, I was just fucking with you, however:

What's wrong with an actor, in this case Jackie Chan, having only two modes? That's a lot more diversity than an overrated knob like Pacino, who, since about the early 80's, has had only one mode. Chan has literally given his physical well being to his craft and, IMO, has earned the right to make ridiculously stupid bullshit if he wants.

He's going to go down in history as the biggest martial arts star not named Bruce Lee. Let the man do his stupid kids movies, DAMMIT!

[Guy]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fma0Bqnx-XI/Sdw2d2J0o8I/AAAAAAAAAXM/Rt4O0uZG4yU/s400/jackie+chan.jpg

[Jimmy Zero]

LOL that's fucking awesome.

Who was cast to be Kato in the Green Hornet movie? I thought I heard it was Jackie Chan, but I don't remember. I know that Seth Rogen is the Green Hornet, which is kind of lame, but whatever.

[Guy]

Jay Chou.

It was going to be Stephen Chow but he pulled out for some reason or other. I'm not sure it was ever going to be Jackie

[mth]

I want to see Jackie Chan and The Rock do a team-up movie. It could be awesome.

[Hulkamaniac]

Woah there. Pacino?!

[Jimmy Zero]

Woah there. Pacino?!

I'm sorry, but yes. He's a great actor, but for a really long time now all he's done is the same quiet pensive looks then shout a lot and curse that he's done ad nauseum since Scarface. Overall, he just bores me.

[Morrison]

It's not kid's movies I'm complaining about, simply saying it's a shame that Jackie Chan only has two modes, childish humour and hardcore action.

I think it's a shame because I like the guy, he's quite charismatic, clearly massively talented, but every year he'll be making less and less films that I'll be able to enjoy. I'd love to see him try and tackle some actual drama, he did far better in New Police Story than I could've imagined in terms of actual acting.

I haven't seen Lava Boy and Shark Girl, nor have I seen any Spy Kids. I've probably seen a total of half an hour combined of both Norbit and Daddy day Care, either way I was taking a shot at the bland averageness of the poster more than anything.

he's fine enough in chinese films that involve drama, but nobody is going to give the guy a chance as a dramatic actor in hollywood because of his english.

[I steal cable]

bloody loved the Jackie Chan cartoon

[Hulkamaniac]

I'm sorry, but yes. He's a great actor, but for a really long time now all he's done is the same quiet pensive looks then shout a lot and curse that he's done ad nauseum since Scarface. Overall, he just bores me.

He's done some lovely work that would shame Jackie Chan though.

[Alf]

scent of a woman is such a great film. I defy anyone not to love it.

[Guy]

bloody loved the Jackie Chan cartoon

I always wondered why the cartoon looked NOTHING like Jackie Chan.

http://www.tvsinopse.kinghost.net/au/a/aventuras%20de%20jackie%20chan_arquivos/Jackie-Chan-Adventures-pic.gif

Tragic


He's done some lovely work that would shame Jackie Chan though.

He's done some lovely acting that far surpasses Chan (well Chan's western work, I'm not entirely sure if there's some hidden Jackie diamond of a performance in any of his Chinese films)

BUT I'd love to see Pacino attempt a quarter of the physical achievements that Chan's made, to be fair

[Hulkamaniac]

Acting isnt about being an acrobat.

[I steal cable]

whoooooooo am iiiiiiiiiii

[Jimmy Zero]

Acting isnt about being an acrobat.

Likewise, it's also not just about looking at people intensely and saying "fuck" a lot.

[Hulkamaniac]

Are you saying that you dont think that Al Pacino has put in good performances in Glengarry Glen Ross, Scent of a Woman, Carlito's Way, Any Given Sunday, Insomnia and Angels in America since then?

Not all of those performances are the same. No more than many actors always put in the same performances anyway.

[Jimmy Zero]

Are you saying that you dont think that Al Pacino has put in good performances in Glengarry Glen Ross, Scent of a Woman, Carlito's Way, Any Given Sunday, Insomnia and Angels in America since then?

Not at all. I quite like Carlito's Way, SOAW and Any Given Sunday. I'm just saying that Pacino pretty much does one thing, for the most part. I don't really think that's a knock on the guy. I'd say the same thing about Deniro too, although he seems to have branched out a bit more in his old age than Pacino has.

But, other than being blind, I don't see how the performance from Any Given Sunday is all that different than the one in Scent.

[Alf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqsf0XynGz8

That is fucking poetry.

I'd take a FLAMEthrower to this room.

Tits, hoooahhh!

[Guy]

Hahah Jimmy Zero I suddenly love you. Honest.

Now where was I, oh yea, I'd happily watch Jackie Chan kick ten bells of shit out of 500 people before jumping off a bus and sliding down a building before watching Godfather II.

Not that I don't like Godfather II, or that I don't like Pacino. I like them both. I just know which is going to entertain me the most, maybe even impress me the most too.

[Alf]

Oh my sweet god Blood. Why do you do this to me?

[Jimmy Zero]

I've always loved you, Blood.

P.S. Scarface is the most overrated piece of shit in history.

[Guy]

whoooooooo am iiiiiiiiiii

I fucking love the song from that movie, it gets stuck in my head at random intervals and I find myself singing it out loud to a confused audience.

"WHA CHANANOOO HOOOO, WHA CHANANANO HUH!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E-XzHYEYsE

[Guy]

Oh my sweet god Blood. Why do you do this to me?

:dunno:

Same reason I'm going to make my class watch clips of Evil Dead next week as an example of the horror genre.

I will create a bastard generation of artistically ignorant minions

[Hulkamaniac]

Hahah Jimmy Zero I suddenly love you. Honest.

Now where was I, oh yea, I'd happily watch Jackie Chan kick ten bells of shit out of 500 people before jumping off a bus and sliding down a building before watching Godfather II.

Not that I don't like Godfather II, or that I don't like Pacino. I like them both. I just know which is going to entertain me the most, maybe even impress me the most too.

I would find watching a spastic child repeatedly fall down more entertaining that Madame Butterfly. That doesnt make it right.

[Hulkamaniac]

:dunno:

Same reason I'm going to make my class watch clips of Evil Dead next week as an example of the horror genre.

I will create a bastard generation of artistically ignorant minions

I hope these kids are 18.

[Guy]

I would find watching a spastic child repeatedly fall down more entertaining that Madame Butterfly. That doesnt make it right.

Because the spastic child hasn't had hardcore training since the age of 6 to fall down for your entertainment.

What you're describing is neither impressive nor talented.

[Hulkamaniac]

What you're describing isnt acting.

[Guy]

I've never said it was.

Simply performing

[I steal cable]

now a video of spastic children falling over to the theme of Puccini's Madame Butterfly would be a fecking internet hit

someone make it happen.... now

[Hulkamaniac]

Performing in a film should consist, primarily, of acting.

[Guy]

It should be an element yes, but as we are all to aware of it's not always the primary focus.

And besides a Jackie Chan film consists of the acceptable level of acting to pull off the dialogue, it shouldn't be judged simply by an acting performance as much as it should by a performance in general, as that is the primary focus of the film after all, the action and the comedy, not the drama.

I'm not in anyways saying that I'd prefer to watch a 120 minute Jackie Chan drama over an Al Pacino one (expect maybe out of pure curiosity). But I am saying I'd be far more inclined to watch a 90 minute Chanfest over a 120 minute Pacino Drama

[Hulkamaniac]

Which, if you were comparing it with another film with a similar performance, I could perhaps acccept. However, you are comparing it to one of the greatest performances, in what is widely considered to be one of the greatest films of all time. An acting masterclass which is what the medium of film is made for, compared to some acrobatics, some kung fu and a bit of mediocre acting.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

BLOOD! Shut up.

You have no appreciation of what is good. You are the definition of the word 'philistine'. I understand that everyone has an opinion, but as a man to say that Jackie Chan kung fooing his way down a building is more entertaining than Godfather II leads me to assume that you are either a retard or a giant homo.

Man up. Appreciate.

[Guy]

Why do you assume that the medium is MADE for an acting masterclass?

Was Transformers made for an acting masterclass? is Evil Dead II an exercise in trying to achieve an acting masterclass?

Of course not. The medium of film and moving image is made for ridiculous amount of reasons other than great acting. It's why movies like Clerks have such a following.

By me simply having a point of view of most likely preferring, as you so backhandedly put it, "some acrobatics and some kung fu" over an acting masterclass disproves straight away that film was only made for any specific purpose.

[Guy]

BLOOD! Shut up.

You have no appreciation of what is good. You are the definition of the word 'philistine'. I understand that everyone has an opinion, but as a man to say that Jackie Chan kung fooing his way down a building is more entertaining than Godfather II leads me to assume that you are either a retard or a giant homo.

Man up. Appreciate.

You seem to assume I don't enjoy or appreciate Godfather II. Of course I do. I'm just saying which I'd prefer to watch at any given moment.

It's like I'd most likely watch Ghostbusters over any acting masterclass.

Is it because of the strength of the performances in those films? Partially. But it's also about the inventive storyline, fantastic set pieces, great sense of comedic timing and a giant stay puft marshmellow man.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

You seem to assume I don't enjoy or appreciate Godfather II. Of course I do. I'm just saying which I'd prefer to watch at any given moment.

It's like I'd most likely watch Ghostbusters over any acting masterclass.

Is it because of the strength of the performances in those films? Partially. But it's also about the inventive storyline, fantastic set pieces, great sense of comedic timing and a giant stay puft marshmellow man.

Have you ever watched Godfather II? A more perfect film you will rarely see. Certainly not Ghostbusters anyway

[Hulkamaniac]

I didnt say that an acting masterclass is what film was made for, although that was one of the reasons it was initially popularised. I said that it was made for acting masterclasses COMPARED to a bit of kung fu. When film was originally developed, it was partially a way to tell stories to a wider audience, to put stage stories onto screen, to show people different locations, places they would never have been able to go. It wasnt for giant robots to battle it out with each other, because...initially...computer generated imagery did not exist.

I'm surprised that I have to explain this to a student of film.

[Guy]

Have you ever watched Godfather II? A more perfect film you will rarely see. Certainly not Ghostbusters anyway

Yes I own Godfather II and have seen it many times


I didnt say that an acting masterclass is what film was made for, although that was one of the reasons it was initially popularised. I said that it was made for acting masterclasses COMPARED to a bit of kung fu. When film was originally developed, it was partially a way to tell stories to a wider audience, to put stage stories onto screen, to show people different locations, places they would never have been able to go. It wasnt for giant robots to battle it out with each other, because...initially...computer generated imagery did not exist.

I'm surprised that I have to explain this to a student of film.

But putting into terms what film was forever ago isn't the issue, it's almost completely irrelevant to what it's developed for nowadays.

Sometimes it's for art, a lot of the times it for entertainment and/or profit, and sometimes it's for character studying action masterclasses, sometimes it's for people to jack off to infront of their computers.

I actually hate Transformers, but was simply using it as an example. In this day and age, acting is just one of hundreds of things that films are made for, sometimes it's not even one that the filmmakers find particularly that important. I'm not in anyways saying I do not enjoy or appreciate a decent performance, I do, I love a good character study with a great lead performance.

I'm simply saying that if I had a choice between watching Pacino do his thing on film, and Jackie Chan doing his thing on another film, I most likely will choose the one that includes the guy jumping from the top floor of a shopping centre all the way to the bottom and then dropkicking a guy off a motorbike.

[ReDPath]

I'd throw a vote in for Joe Pesci as one of the greatest if not all time greatest mafia character actors of all time.

He stole the show in both Goodfellas and Casino. I keep hoping he will give it one more go and put together another solid character in the same vain as Nicky and Tommy. Reunite with Scorsese and try it again.

Deniro I could care less about though, his last good movie for me was Meet the Parents and all he's done since is diluted himself further and further.

[Jimmy Zero]

I didnt say that an acting masterclass is what film was made for, although that was one of the reasons it was initially popularised. I said that it was made for acting masterclasses COMPARED to a bit of kung fu. When film was originally developed, it was partially a way to tell stories to a wider audience, to put stage stories onto screen, to show people different locations, places they would never have been able to go. It wasnt for giant robots to battle it out with each other, because...initially...computer generated imagery did not exist.

I'm surprised that I have to explain this to a student of film.

That's an overly idealistic and romantic view of film immediately after it was invented, IMO.

Blood never said Jackie Chan doing his crazy flips and shit was better than Pacino's Godfather II performance. He said he's more entertained by Jackie Chan's kung fu movies. I really don't see what's so incredibly outlandish about that.

In my case, if I'm given a choice between watching Godfather II or Ghostbusters in order to be entertained, you can bet your ass I'm choosing Ghostbusters every single time. So what?

[Hulkamaniac]

I'd throw a vote in for Joe Pesci as one of the greatest if not all time greatest mafia character actors of all time.

He stole the show in both Goodfellas and Casino. I keep hoping he will give it one more go and put together another solid character in the same vain as Nicky and Tommy. Reunite with Scorsese and try it again.

Deniro I could care less about though, his last good movie for me was Meet the Parents and all he's done since is diluted himself further and further.

You COULDNT care less.


That's an overly idealistic and romantic view of film immediately after it was invented, IMO.

Blood never said Jackie Chan doing his crazy flips and shit was better than Pacino's Godfather II performance. He said he's more entertained by Jackie Chan's kung fu movies. I really don't see what's so incredibly outlandish about that.

In my case, if I'm given a choice between watching Godfather II or Ghostbusters in order to be entertained, you can bet your ass I'm choosing Ghostbusters every single time. So what?

I was talking about when it was immediately invented. Blood picked up on a throwaway line from me talking about how the medium of film should be more praised for its use of things like excellent acting than it should for some of its cheap gimmicks like over-reliance on CGI or silly popcorn entertainment, so I defended that. At the end of the day, we dont really need cinema to see someone kung fu kick and perform crazy stunts, you can see plenty of that on straight to dvd films.

[Guy]

And you can see plenty of acting on stage. We don't NEED cinema for anything, it's just a convenient and entertaining way of packaging together different types of performances, whether it be acting, singing, dancing, stunts or martial arts.

As well as many other things of course.

[Guy]

Infact, the more I think about pretty much any Pacino film could be turned into a stage play, whereas over half of what Chan's career is based on could only be seen by the masses when captured on film.

And I'm not entirely sure why you'd consider Godfather II, a film that mostly consists of sitting and talking, a reason we need cinema. But something that involves incredible physical achievements and breath taking stunts is something we'd happily only need to watch on a smaller screen.

I'm not saying that Godfather II isn't something worth watching at the cinema, simply disagreeing with your extremely bold claim that one is more appropriate for the cinema than the other.

[Hulkamaniac]

He's the problem. You dont seem able to appreciate the artistic merits of cinema. You cannot look beyond a popularist canvas. You're a pleb. It leaves me without hope for your students. The bottom rung of the ladder is no more a good place for a teacher to be than on your high horse lording it over the rest of your students.

[Guy]

There's a difference between appreciating something and having a different opinion on it.

I appreciate the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I acknowledge that they're a massive achievement in almost every aspect of the film-making process. Doesn't mean that I have to like them or want to watch them more or less than I'd want to watch any other film due to personal taste.

I myself find it quite funny that someone who claims to be a huge fan of film and cinema, is also making the claim that film is more for one thing than it is for another.

[Hulkamaniac]

I think that its odd that someone who is educated on film and teaches film does not see why they should herald it as the art form that it is, rather than as populist entertainment.

[Guy]

Because that would be very idealistic and unrealistic of me.

Some of my students will want to work on personal art pieces sure, most of them will go into a profit-based industry aimed at the general movie going public.

Hopefully most of them will get to do both.

[Guy]

Also who are you to say that the one thing Chan has trained his entire life to do is not an art form?

There's just as much dedication and imagination put into a 20 minute Jackie Chan fight than there is say, a dance number. I'd say when a guy can stage an entire fight sequence using a ladder in 10 different ways, then he has it down to a fine art.

[Jimmy Zero]

So basically, you're not pretentious enough, Blood.

[Hulkamaniac]

Its not a case of pretention, its a case of idealism. Teaching should be about trying to create ideals, not about just settling. I cant believe that idealism is being slated in here. You're right that Jackie Chan's fight choreography is an art form, but the general quality of his films are not. You should be reaching for the stars with your students, not accepting that they'll probably end up working in the gutters. You're supposed to be trying to challenge them and taking them out of their comfort zones, teaching them to appreciate things that are beyond their close-minded and unworldly expectations. You're supposed to be introducing them to a world they havent experienced. This is idealistic, but its aspirational. If you're aiming lower than that at all, let alone as low as cheap entertainment, then you're doing them a huge disservice.

[Jimmy Zero]

Its not a case of pretention, its a case of idealism. Teaching should be about trying to create ideals, not about just settling. I cant believe that idealism is being slated in here. You're right that Jackie Chan's fight choreography is an art form, but the general quality of his films are not. You should be reaching for the stars with your students, not accepting that they'll probably end up working in the gutters. You're supposed to be trying to challenge them and taking them out of their comfort zones, teaching them to appreciate things that are beyond their close-minded and unworldly expectations. You're supposed to be introducing them to a world they havent experienced. This is idealistic, but its aspirational. If you're aiming lower than that at all, let alone as low as cheap entertainment, then you're doing them a huge disservice.

That's bullshit. It can just as easily be stated that it's doing a disservice to students by teaching about film as solely an artistic medium, while neglecting any education of the business side of it.

Film is a huge competitive business, and a film student armed with the knowledge of how to sell themselves and their films to people who would want to make their movie or distribute their movie has an advantage over some idealist who hopes to get lucky and pull a Kevin Smith and max out credit cards to make some movie that, in reality, most people will probably never see.

[Hulkamaniac]

Eh? Who said that you dont teach them about the business side of film?

[Guy]

But what is ideal to you isn't necessarily an ideal to everyone else surely?

And you seem to be confusing my personal opinion of Jackie Chan being as decent, talented and entertaining a performer (not actor, performer) as Al Pacino with my ability to teach the technical aspects of film. The two aren't related. One's a personal opinion, the other is a job. I don't drink because I disagree with it, but I was exceptional working at a bar.

I am happy to enlighten students with films they most likely will not have seen, from other countries and before their years. But I'm not close minded enough to think that those wonderful dramatic and artistic pieces are the only reason film is worth teaching however. And that every student should aspire to be a specific type of filmmaker.

If they are inspired by those films and then want to go on to make something like them, then more power to them. But if at the end of a year I know a student who really really wants to make a cheap as all hell zombie film, who am I to say "No, you must reach for the stars" (the stars being a specific type of artistic merit that I've decided), especially when a micro-budget zombie movie just won an award in the UK's largest independent movie festival.

[Hulkamaniac]

I am happy to enlighten students with films they most likely will not have seen, from other countries and before their years. But I'm not close minded enough to think that those wonderful dramatic and artistic pieces are the only reason film is worth teaching however. And that every student should aspire to be a specific type of filmmaker.



Again...when have I said this is the case?

[Guy]

By saying that we don't need kung-fu and crazy stunts in cinemas as we can have them on DTD is saying that this genre of film isn't as good as another.

By summing sentences up with "working in the gutters" and "cheap entertainment". Again who are we to say what's cheap and what's not? From a personal level I detest Transformers, but if someone completely adored it I wouldn't inform them that it's "cheap entertainment" and "working in the gutters", because that might be where their enthusiasm for film lies.

I'd be happy to attempt to expand their knowledge of course, but never would I discard what they want to do, or what they're doing. I'd never put one film genre or filming style above another the way you have with those sentences, I simply put them down as being different.

I might put down the technical aspects of a film, when something's out of focus when it's not meant to be, when the sound is off or the lighting isn't as good as it could've been. But never would I applaud one students attempt at a high brow drama over another students attempt at say, a cheeseball horror, just because one is viewed as a higher art form than another

[Hulkamaniac]

If you'd never put one filming style or genre above others, then what you're demonstrating to me is that you dont really have any experience in teaching at all, you're also lying. I am amused that you're trying to preach to me about teaching. You're talking an absolute load of uninformed nonsense. Talk to me about it again when you are in a position of experience and we'll see whether you come out with that same bullshit then. You're also misinterpreting what I'm saying.

[Version 6]

Of course Jackie Chan has an important place in cinema.

And cinema is no less for Jackie Chans performances, than it is for Al Pacino's.

This conversation is getting silly gents.

[Guy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ9DJZAoq3g


WOOOYAAAAAAAA!!!

[Guy]

If you'd never put one filming style or genre above others, then what you're demonstrating to me is that you dont really have any experience in teaching at all, you're also lying. I am amused that you're trying to preach to me about teaching. You're talking an absolute load of uninformed nonsense. Talk to me about it again when you are in a position of experience and we'll see whether you come out with that same bullshit then. You're also misinterpreting what I'm saying.

I'm not preaching to you about teaching, simply correcting your presumptions about my approach.

And again my personal opinion clearly has its favourite and least favourite genre's for me to watch. For example I'm pretty sure I'll never own a period film, or more specifically a romance/drama Jane Austen style period film.

But when if one of my students went ahead and made one, I wouldn't consciously judge it on a different level to any other genre. I just feel that's a daft thing to do.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/12/hitchcock-north-by-northwest-dvd/

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Is it just me that considers Batman Begins to be a better film than The Dark Knight?

[Guy]

Nah, I felt the same the first time I saw Dark Knight

Batman Begins flows better, it feels less patchy. First time I saw Dark Knight it felt like a series of climaxes as opposed to a nice pace building up toward the end

[Version 6]

Nah, I felt the same the first time I saw Dark Knight

Batman Begins flows better, it feels less patchy. First time I saw Dark Knight it felt like a series of climaxes as opposed to a nice pace building up toward the end

Which would have been perfect for a second film in the franchise, with a returning Joker.

[Hulkamaniac]

I'd rank them fairly close to be honest.

[Guy]

Which would have been perfect for a second film in the franchise, with a returning Joker.

Don't get me wrong, I love everything about The Dark Knight .

It was just that it took me by surprise the first time around as I was expecting something that was a perfectly executed, traditionally structured movie like the first movie. Instead I was given a slightly off kilter series of 'moments' that put together, created a whole story.

I have no preference now, but I remember preferring the original's pacing over the sequel at first.

[Atty]

TDK is the better film. Begins had a structure that, I suspect, Nolan was more comfortable with. TDK is the most linear story I've seen Nolan tell.


I love them both, but TDK had a lot more written into it. The arc of Two-Face, Joker and Lao could all be compelling movies on there own. As is, we got basically everything anyone could have hoped for. I really can't think of anything I'd add to or change in it and that's very rare with me. I generally edit everything I see.

I know what's being said in favor of Begins and I totally understand it and agree to a large degree, but I find TDK to be superior. Both are in my top 20 or so of the decade.

[Version 6]

Yeah I'd agree with that.

On first viewing, I was blown away with the performances but found the pacing a little distracting.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

I might have to give it another watch. Anyway off to watch Roman Polanski's Oliver Twist.

[Guy]

TDK is the better film. Begins had a structure that, I suspect, Nolan was more comfortable with. TDK is the most linear story I've seen Nolan tell.


I love them both, but TDK had a lot more written into it. The arc of Two-Face, Joker and Lao could all be compelling movies on there own. As is, we got basically everything anyone could have hoped for. I really can't think of anything I'd add to or change in it and that's very rare with me. I generally edit everything I see.

I know what's being said in favor of Begins and I totally understand it and agree to a large degree, but I find TDK to be superior. Both are in my top 20 or so of the decade.

It's everything Spider-man 3 should've been.

Though admittedly I would like to see Bale doing the Saturday Night Fever dance wearing his silly smile.

[Atty]

Bale would do an epic dance. I can almost see him pointing at himself in the mirror and flexing to his awesomeness.

[Guy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si4L_VcpADg

The real highlight kicks in at 2:14. GO BATMAN

[Atty]

What a man.

[Morrison]

TDK is the better film. Begins had a structure that, I suspect, Nolan was more comfortable with. TDK is the most linear story I've seen Nolan tell.


I love them both, but TDK had a lot more written into it. The arc of Two-Face, Joker and Lao could all be compelling movies on there own. As is, we got basically everything anyone could have hoped for. I really can't think of anything I'd add to or change in it and that's very rare with me. I generally edit everything I see.

I know what's being said in favor of Begins and I totally understand it and agree to a large degree, but I find TDK to be superior. Both are in my top 20 or so of the decade.


Yeah I'd agree with that.

On first viewing, I was blown away with the performances but found the pacing a little distracting.
i'm with at in thinking TDK is the better film, but like blood and V6, the first viewing of TDK i came out happy as hell and stunned by the performances and big action sequences, but thought it had been a bit jarring in it's pacing and possibly too long. those issues were hammered out the second time i watched it a few days later, and it really all came together very nicely. i was quite surprised how fluid it actually was considering how i felt the first time.

[Hulkamaniac]

Yeah. I've actually seen it maybe close to 10 times now with watching it as part of my course. It all flows fairly well, comes together nicely and makes a lot of sense upon repeated viewings.

[Fro]

The only (minor) criticism of TDK I have is the explanation behind putting the criminals on one of the boats. Gordon says something like "whatever he's got planned it's sure to involve those prisoners, so let's get them out of here." Obviously it was needed to set up the boat scene but it never made much sense to me.

[Hulkamaniac]

Probably to stop him using them, probably to stop him releasing them etc. Keeping them all together in a controlled environment makes quite a bit of sense.

[Morrison]

The only (minor) criticism of TDK I have is the explanation behind putting the criminals on one of the boats. Gordon says something like "whatever he's got planned it's sure to involve those prisoners, so let's get them out of here." Obviously it was needed to set up the boat scene but it never made much sense to me.

how doesn't it? joker was already able to break out of the MCU, plus have dent and rachel kidnapped thanks to 'maroni's men' on the police force. who knows if maroni had anybody working the prisons, who could potentially release the inmates amid all the chaos in the city. you get the inmates out of the city, that takes them out of the game.