***Official*** English Football Discussion Thread

[Bad Collin]

Fuck off Kolo you dick

[Hlebsfall]

I've always been adamant that Kolo Toure is absolute shit. I was astonished when City paid 15m for him.

[Ringo]

The look on his face :lol:

[Bad Collin]

That was shit

[Chris Scott]

No motivation BC, no one could be arsed to get out of first gear.

[Andy]

I've always been adamant that Kolo Toure is absolute shit. I was astonished when City paid 15m for him.

He was good when he played beside Sol Campbell, that was it.

[Andy]

Another clean sheet and 2-0 win at home without ever really getting into top gear. We're like Chelsea.

[Romford Pele]

Nice to see Ox chip on with goals, they are getting shared around midfield nicely now. Defence looking very solid and we don't seem to panic like we used to.

Huge run of games now, good time to play United, but Liverpool twice and Bayern will be stern tests.

[Romford Pele]

Also I also thought we did great business selling Toure for £16m.

[The Rosk]

You were playing Palace lads. Calm it down.

[Chris Scott]

Also I also thought we did great business selling Toure for £16m.

To be fair he's been fine for us with some solid displays, obviously he makes a huge mistake and now it's highlighted.

[Gary J]

He was good when he played beside Sol Campbell, that was it.

Anyone would have looked good alongside Sol Campbell he's been the best defender in the history of the premiership.

[Andy]

Anyone would have looked good alongside Sol Campbell he's been the best defender in the history of the premiership.

How the fuck is Sol Campbell overrate...

wait what?

[Gary J]

I don't understand what you are finding difficult to grasp there.

In the premiership's history Sol Campbell has been the best Centre Back.

[Romford Pele]

To be fair he's been fine for us with some solid displays, obviously he makes a huge mistake and now it's highlighted.

As a free transfer decent signing, but we certainly had his best years - City certainly never got value for money from him.

[Romford Pele]

You were playing Palace lads. Calm it down.

They are much improved though - it was exactly the kind of game we would have drawn a year or two ago. Now we seem to be able to break teams down much better than we used to.

I'm under no illusions though, still expect us to come 3rd but fa cup would be good.

[Romford Pele]

I don't understand what you are finding difficult to grasp there.

In the premiership's history Sol Campbell has been the best Centre Back.

One of...Adams, Stam, Vidic, Ferdinand, Hyppia, Hendry, Kompany, Mcgrath or Pallister could make a case there

[Simon]

King.

[The Rosk]

They are much improved though - it was exactly the kind of game we would have drawn a year or two ago. Now we seem to be able to break teams down much better than we used to.

I'm under no illusions though, still expect us to come 3rd but fa cup would be good.

I don't really understand. They're a relegation-facing team at home and these games you were drawing regularly a year or two ago? So how did you finish Top 4?

I understand that it is good to get wins that you expect but come on. Palace are wank. And the last few results have shown a slight lack of bottle at times (Southampton, even Villa when we were hammering you at the end) so with Liverpool and United coming up in the League I'd be a little concerned. Good place to be in at the moment though but Giroud has the world on his shoulders and you could see that yesterday I felt.

[son_of_foley]

One of...Adams, Stam, Vidic, Ferdinand, Hyppia, Hendry, Kompany, Mcgrath or Pallister could make a case there

Stam cant make much of a case surely if we're only talking about in the premiership itself.
I think Vidic would be overstating it a bit too. To me he had 4-5 really good years.

On the topic of Premiership Centrebacks Aaron Hughes dropped out of the premiership 17 years after making debut for Newcastle. 17 fucking years. That's incredible

[Simon]

You're right sof it is incredible that a player as mediocre as Aaron Hughes lasted seventeen years in the Prem. Incidentally that Gareth McAuley is class, weird that it took so long for him to reach the top.

Mertesacker's dominance of Jerome and Chamakh yesterday was a bit embarrassing. I swear the only time one of them got past him was because he was having a laughing fit from the last time one of them tried to get past him.

[son_of_foley]

Yes Simon.

[Gary J]

One of...Adams, Stam, Vidic, Ferdinand, Hyppia, Hendry, Kompany, Mcgrath or Pallister could make a case there


In terms of longevity and performance I would say only Ferdinand and Hyppia come close off that list. Maybe Adams but i'm not quiet sure when he retired but he'd have had 6-7 seasons in the prem?

Paul Mcgrath at his peak is quiet possibly the best CB I've ever seen but I don't think he lasted long in the prem era.

[The Rosk]

Ah, the video of him vs Italy is so wonderfully watchable. Like a better version of that Zidane film without the heavy breathing and constant "AYI"s. Not many people win the Player of the Year trophy as a defender that didn't win the League.

He and King would have been the best defensive partnership ever if injuries weren't such a cunt.

[Romford Pele]

I don't really understand. They're a relegation-facing team at home and these games you were drawing regularly a year or two ago? So how did you finish Top 4?

I understand that it is good to get wins that you expect but come on. Palace are wank. And the last few results have shown a slight lack of bottle at times (Southampton, even Villa when we were hammering you at the end) so with Liverpool and United coming up in the League I'd be a little concerned. Good place to be in at the moment though but Giroud has the world on his shoulders and you could see that yesterday I felt.

Have a look at our results for last 2-3 seasons. Drawing against the likes of Birmingham at home because we couldnt break them down. In 2011-12 in particular, we actually beat a lot more of the larger teams (Chelsea away, Liverpool away, Spurs home) and dropped points against lesser sides.

I do think we have ground results out recently, but looking at the big games this season, only United away were we rubbish, even City away we were unfortunate in having 2 goals ruled out.

Yeah we do need another striker. Bentdner, Sanogo and Podolski do not inspire confidence which is wy its so important the midfield scores goals. Similar situation at Chelsea.

[Romford Pele]

Stam cant make much of a case surely if we're only talking about in the premiership itself.
I think Vidic would be overstating it a bit too. To me he had 4-5 really good years.

On the topic of Premiership Centrebacks Aaron Hughes dropped out of the premiership 17 years after making debut for Newcastle. 17 fucking years. That's incredible

Wow - he must have been 17-18 years old when he made his debut!

Its hard, what criteria is defining? Is it time or how good someone is at their peak?

Colin Hendry was awesome for 3-4 years at Blackburn.

[Romford Pele]

In terms of longevity and performance I would say only Ferdinand and Hyppia come close off that list. Maybe Adams but i'm not quiet sure when he retired but he'd have had 6-7 seasons in the prem?

Paul Mcgrath at his peak is quiet possibly the best CB I've ever seen but I don't think he lasted long in the prem era.

Adams retired in 2002, so ten years in the Prem. He is certainly up there...shame Paul Elliot had to retire in 94 as he also looked a great defender.

[son_of_foley]

Wow - he must have been 17-18 years old when he made his debut!

Its hard, what criteria is defining? Is it time or how good someone is at their peak?

Colin Hendry was awesome for 3-4 years at Blackburn.

I think to be called best defender in the premiership it would have to be a combination right. To me anyway. Consistently good performances.


Hughes was 16 years not 17 I am ashamed.

[The Rosk]

OK well let’s take the results against the teams below 7th last season who you played at the Emirates:

West Ham – 3 points
QPR – 3 points
WBA – 3 points
Newcastle – 3 points
Stoke – 3 points
Aston Villa – 3 points
Reading – 3 points
Norwich – 3 points
Wigan – 3 points
Fulham – 1 point
Swansea – 0 points

This season you’ve got a loss at home already to Villa and the rest you have won, so basically it’s the same as last season at home against the gash sides.

[Andy]

Mertesacker's dominance of Jerome and Chamakh yesterday was a bit embarrassing. I swear the only time one of them got past him was because he was having a laughing fit from the last time one of them tried to get past him.

Nothing embarrassing about being dominated by the best centre back in the league. Mert :cool:

[Romford Pele]

OK well let’s take the results against the teams below 7th last season who you played at the Emirates:

West Ham – 3 points
QPR – 3 points
WBA – 3 points
Newcastle – 3 points
Stoke – 3 points
Aston Villa – 3 points
Reading – 3 points
Norwich – 3 points
Wigan – 3 points
Fulham – 1 point
Swansea – 0 points

This season you’ve got a loss at home already to Villa and the rest you have won, so basically it’s the same as last season at home against the gash sides.

Perhaps I was thinking of the season before. Either way, in the recent past we did have more trouble breaking lesser sides down.

[Slare]

Tonight, 3-1 city. Dzeko first scorer. 75/1. Printing money.

[Romford Pele]

I can see a draw tonight. Chelsea fluke it in front with a set piece then park the bus, City pile the pressure on and get a late equaliser.

[Simon]

Mourinho's bullshit to come undone as City rinse them 3-0. I honestly think City are terrifying and unstoppable at this point. Cannot wait for the CL.

[Romford Pele]

You think they will do Barca?

I was considering outting £5 for the quadruple, what are the odds?

[Simon]

No idea as I haven't seen much of Barca this season, all I know is that City just swamp everyone they play against. It's not just the quality on the ball, it's their ridiculous chasing to win it back - as good as any of Guardiola's teams were at the high-press game that's popular now IMO.

[Fanny]

You think they will do Barca?

I was considering outting £5 for the quadruple, what are the odds?

You were still getting 300/1 last week, which is ridiculous really

[Slare]

Fiver on that then.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Chelsea deserve to be ahead so far, they've contained City well and broke with good pace. Hazard has been superb, he just looks like he won't lose the ball. He's imperious right now and City can't get near him. His pace and ability make him look like he has all the time in the world, but he maybe just needs to release the ball a bit quicker at times.

City are really missing Fernandinho, Demichelis can't offer the same energy and pressing ability in midfield and looks like a potential red card waiting to happen. They obviously miss Aguero too, the movement of Dzeko doesn't come close to offering the same threat.

[THE CHOIFF]

Manchester are struggling here. Chelsea should have at least 2 goals.

[Bennedy]

Mourinho's bullshit to come undone as City rinse them 3-0. I honestly think City are terrifying and unstoppable at this point. Cannot wait for the CL.

Unlucky with that prediction.

We were superb tonight. Solid performance from the midfield three and Willian never stops running. Man of the match was Hazard though. He has steped up to another level this season. I still think he gets a bit too greedy at times, but he was brilliant tonight.

[Andy]

Hazard was unbelievable tonight, definitely the best I've ever seen from him. Willian was good too but a bit wasteful in the final third. Very impressed with Matic.

[Hlebsfall]

Matic is the spit of George McCartney.

[Ringo]

Immense performance. Never expecting that. Over the moon. Too many good things to say but Matic getting the better of Yaya on a number of occasions was so lovely to see. That man has bossed us for years.

[Simon]

Chelsea were superb. Absolutely dominant in all areas, fair play.

[Romford Pele]

I cannot stand Mourinho but he got his tactics spot on last night, three in the middle dominating possession against Citys two.

Pellegrini was a bit naive by playing 4-4-2 without Fernandinho in there. Chelsea were great though, and it really opens up the title race and shows City are not invincible.

[Romford Pele]

Also, saw that Joe Kinnear has resigned. In 7 months, got 2 loan deals (Remy and new fella - forgotten his name) and sold their best player.

Cheers for coming Joe.

[Mik]

I love the idea that they think that they are going to get some great new wheeler dealer in to replace him. He got the job in the first place because he'd take money from Mike Ashley to act as a scapegoat and to not spend any money. That's what they'll get in replacement too.

[Romford Pele]

Maybe they will bring Dennis Wise back

[Slare]

Also, saw that Joe Kinnear has resigned. In 7 months, got 2 loan deals (Remy and new fella - forgotten his name) and sold their best player.

Cheers for coming Joe.

He also tried to sign a player who already played for you and called a player 'Kebab' so that was good.

[Romford Pele]

I wonder if he called anyone a c**t on the way out and then blamed it on the fact he grew up on a council estate - great excuse for a man over 60.

[Simon]

Carroll's red card against Swansea has been upheld. Absolutely pathetic.

[Peter Griffin]

Some Wigan player smashed Jonny Russell's cheekbone in over Christmas and didn't even get a red, nice to see consistency in the game.

[Slare]

You're all about justice and consistency today.

[Romford Pele]

Big Sam is gonna be livid.

[Bennedy]

Big Sam is gonna be livid.

Good, he's a prick.

[Red Dog]

Some Wigan player smashed Jonny Russell's cheekbone in over Christmas and didn't even get a red, nice to see consistency in the game.

Good!

[Peter Griffin]

You're all about justice and consistency today.

Its what I do.

[Peter Griffin]

Good!

I was there when David Johnson snapped his leg, that was good.

[The Rosk]

Peter that's sick.

[Red Dog]

I was there when David Johnson snapped his leg, that was good.
Why were you at a Forest v Sheffield United game?

[Peter Griffin]

Why were you at a Forest v Sheffield United game?

:happysad: It might not have been his leg break now I think about,but he definitely got stretchered off at Pride park with a pretty bad injury, I think :shifty:

[Red Dog]

:happysad: It might not have been his leg break now I think about,but he definitely got stretchered off at Pride park with a pretty bad injury, I think :shifty:

Ok Walter Mitty.

[Romford Pele]

Ahahaha Walter Mitty

[eldanielfire]

In terms of longevity and performance I would say only Ferdinand and Hyppia come close off that list. Maybe Adams but i'm not quiet sure when he retired but he'd have had 6-7 seasons in the prem?

Paul Mcgrath at his peak is quiet possibly the best CB I've ever seen but I don't think he lasted long in the prem era.


Tony Adams had 10 seasons in the Premier League. It started in 1993 and he retired after the 2002 double.

[Peter Griffin]

Ahahaha Walter Mitty

I see you have latched on to me today to try and divert attention away from the fact that you are a moronic poster of the highest order (yes,more so than me).

[Ringo]

Laudrup's gone. Was talk that things were rapidly falling apart there and the locker room was divided between spanish and british (see: brick incident). They've got some quality players but have looked properly shit when I've seen them recently.

[Lagom]

I see you have latched on to me today to try and divert attention away from the fact that you are a moronic poster of the highest order (yes,more so than me).

That last part is debatable. He did make a dog arse of himself, but it was only once.

as for Laudrup, I'm not surprised, any time a job becomes available, he seems to be the first name on the list, and all that speculation about his long term future, coupled with a little run of poor results doesn't bode well for any manager.

[Gary J]

Tony Adams had 10 seasons in the Premier League. It started in 1993 and he retired after the 2002 double.

Yeah Natureboy said the same i could see a case for Adams but Campbell was still pretty good in 2008 and he also started in 93. I seem to remember he wasn't that bad when he went back to Arsenal for a second spell. I think he's easily the best CB in premiership history.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I think it's Rio Ferdinand, as much of a gimp as he is. A superb modern defender, he had everything really before the injuries hit him and even after those he still had a lot of class. Tailed off badly this past couple of years but he probably could have still looked alright if United had a decent midfield that could afford him and Vidic (also badly exposed in recent years) some protection.

[The Rosk]

It's never going to be Adams. It's hard to judge when you have to add longevity into the mix because if you have Adams in there you have to have cunts like Terry in there I guess.

It's always surprisingly hard to look back at times before players got old and slower/shitter, but Ferdinand was an absolutely ridiculous defender back in the day. His only real fault is an almost complete lack of threat from set-pieces but aside from that he was pretty much perfect.

[Romford Pele]

I see you have latched on to me today to try and divert attention away from the fact that you are a moronic poster of the highest order (yes,more so than me).

Not at all, I just thought it was quite funny.

[Romford Pele]

Good, he's a prick.

I'm sure he will use his Evening Standard column to moan about it - he just uses it to defend himself or attack other people.

[Romford Pele]

I think it's Rio Ferdinand, as much of a gimp as he is. A superb modern defender, he had everything really before the injuries hit him and even after those he still had a lot of class. Tailed off badly this past couple of years but he probably could have still looked alright if United had a decent midfield that could afford him and Vidic (also badly exposed in recent years) some protection.

I think he was brilliant, but he was always reliant on pace - now he is slowing down he isn't the same. Much as I hate John Terry he has never been dependant on pace and much more on positioning like Adams before him.

The same could be said of Carragher (though he was not in the same class as above).

I think if the Premier League had started ten years before Adams would have walked it. He was in the team at 17 and captain at 21. Whats more galling is imagining how good he would have been had he not been on the booze. :(

[Ringo]

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[son_of_foley]

Anyone watching this cup tie? Davies playing alright up until 5 minutes ago he was about the only preston player putting his foot on the ball like

[Romford Pele]

Arseblog is saying Arteta might have an injury....that will leave us with no midfield for the weekend!

What do they do in training throw bricks at eachother?

[Simon]

Wilshere's back.

[Romford Pele]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26068069

I had forgotten he existed! St Mirren FFS haha

[Slare]

Saw this yesterday, mental scenes. He's been in Belgium, Russia and fuck knows where else over the past few years. Still a few years left in him though, what a man.

[Romford Pele]

He was signed in that period when United signed really average players (Miller, Kleberson, Bellion) christ they had some shite then.

Simon - didnt realise Wilshire is back, good news. Probably will be Arteta/Rosicky, Wilshire and Ox in midfield on Saturday then.

[Slare]

God Liam Miller, he had all the potential in the world to be fair.

[Ringo]

Saw this yesterday, mental scenes. He's been in Belgium, Russia and fuck knows where else over the past few years. Still a few years left in him though, what a man.

Well SLARE I just looked it up and he hasn't played in Belgium OR Russia but he has played in Denmark, Israel, Qatar and Serbia! Best of luck to him and I hope he makes it to the World Cup.

[Slare]

I mixed up Denmark with Belgium and Serbia with Russia :( shame.

[turdpower]

He was signed in that period when United signed really average players (Miller, Kleberson, Bellion) christ they had some shite then.

Simon - didnt realise Wilshire is back, good news. Probably will be Arteta/Rosicky, Wilshire and Ox in midfield on Saturday then.

Ronaldo was the exception that proved the rule.

Alan Smith came the year after ffs.

[Peter Griffin]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/liga-39-may-father-die-39-sick-chants-081525273--sow.html

Yowzers.

[turdpower]

If it's been translated literally but it depends how strong it actually is in their own Spanish context. "May your father die" might be equivalent to "you son of a bitch" etc.

I'll accept the monkey thing is horrrific, but then the Spanish seem to do that quite a lot and nothing ever seems to happen.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Seems pretty strong given they were chanting it in front of his young son, or effectively at his son.

[wardy]

No ECG mate, they were only calling his infant son a son of a bitch. That's all.

[son_of_foley]

Maybe Marcelos dad is in a bad way and they are talking about mercy killings

[son_of_foley]

And maybe when they are calling him a monkey they just mean in an endearing way because people love monkeys

[Simon]

I read that there was some confusion whether they were singing "may your father die" or "he is not your father". Presumably Spain's answer to Jeremy Kyle is even less popular than ours.

[son_of_foley]

Mertesacker made a fucking balls up there

[Bad Collin]

I love you Skrttktktytkl

[Simon]

The one time I want those mutant arseholes to get a result.

[son_of_foley]

This has been excellent so far there will be a red card here and more goals

[Ringo]

Jesus christ should be three! This is brilliant.

[Simon]

Fucking hell this could be a murdering.

[turdpower]

That Suarez hit. Fucking hell.

[Ringo]

fuck sake!

[Bad Collin]

This should be 5-0

[son_of_foley]

FUCKING HELL Suarez. Would have been a wonder goal

[Simon]

Oh my days. This will finish 3-2 Arsenal won't it.

[son_of_foley]

That front 3/4 Liverpool have are awesome

[turdpower]

Oh my days. This will finish 3-2 Arsenal won't it.

Nope :lol:.

[son_of_foley]

Who was it just rolled off the ball there ozil?

[Bad Collin]

;kjghreakjgbdfljgbdfljahnlejhnk :hyper:

[Ringo]

Food poisoning at the Arsenal hotel? What on earth is going on!?

[turdpower]

Steroids at the Liverpool hotel?

[Dream-Evil]

Oh my. Hahahhaa

[turdpower]

I think the Man United Ipswich Town record is about to go...

[Ringo]

:lol:

[Bad Collin]

Sensational ball from Couts. Am I still asleep?

[son_of_foley]

I know Andy was prob joking about mert being the best cb in the league but Fuck me he has been shite here

[Simon]

Fffffgfffff losing my mind

[BBF]

What is this!?!?

[Simon]

Nope :lol:.

5-4

[turdpower]

Arsenal need Arshavin back to come and have 4 shots on goal.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Mertesacker is so so slow. Arsenal have no balls, I fancied them today to do Liverpool after controlled the game at the Emirates, before that one I had fancied Liverpool's quick attack to give Arsenal grief. Arse about tit.

[turdpower]

No goal for over 10 minutes?

BOOOOOOOOOORRRIIIIIIIINNNNNGGGGG.

[son_of_foley]

Wilshire is acting like a little bitch again. Wonder if he'll ever convert that into a good performance it always seems like his head goes

[Simon]

With Sturridge/Sterling/Wilshere/Henderson/Shaw/Lallana coming through England now have some exciting options in attack. Just a shame our defence is suddenly ropey.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Hodgson will pick Gerrard and Lampard, even if they're dead and it means playing two urns from of cremated ash in a neat bank of 4 with Milner playing on both wings.

[Bad Collin]

That through ball from Coutinho for the fourth really was sexy. It gets better everytime I see it.

[Chris Scott]

Quality first half BC, Anfield is bouncing.

[Bad Collin]

Not surprised mate.

Raheems face when he slid in the fifth :)

[BBF]

hahaha wilshire is poopy pants

[Bad Collin]

He's such a petulant little shit.

[Simon]

Red card for Chesney and an outfield player in goal to top it off come onnnn

[Bad Collin]

Should have been a second yellow for Wilsheres play acting there

[Gary J]

Wilshere once again showing he has the positional awareness of a jellyfish. I've seen him have some stinkers before but fucking hell he has been utter shit today.

On the flip side it's the best I've seen Coutinho play.

[Gary J]

Is Wes Brown trying to get a red card record this season?

[Chris Scott]

We've been excellent at Anfield bar 2 games. What a first half performance. Sterling and once again Henderson were brilliant.

[Matthew]

hazard totally is a beast

[Chris Scott]

Also I think we destroyed Arsenal's centre back pairing record.

[Chris Scott]

And loved at 5-0 we sang "Are you Tottenham in disguise"

[MikeHunt]

LOL! Mature football banter Chris?

[Bennedy]

OH LORD DANIEL STURRIDGE

[Simon]

MikeHunt is there any danger of you ever saying anything interesting or intelligent? All you ever seem to do is snipe inanely from the sidelines.

[MikeHunt]

Unlikely

[Chris Scott]

LOL! Mature football banter Chris?

Bet you've been waiting to say that for 2 weeks.

[Chris Scott]

OH LORD DANIEL STURRIDGE

Not bad for the price we got him off you. How's your 3 forwards doing?

[Simon]

This game is absolutely shit. Is Emnes actually a footballer? He doesn't seem to be ablye to play football. This young left back for Cardiff looks decent though.

[Simon]

As soon as I said that Emnes misplaced a simple five yard pass...forty yards back to his own keeper.

[Chris Scott]

Yeah not the best of games so far.

[eldanielfire]

Man us got fucked today. I thought for a bit Arsenal plays with a lack of urgency and determination to create and today showed it. I also think we have to consider our defence against top class attacks.

[Ringo]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/amazing-pictures-of-arsene-wenger-falling-over-with-2-suitcases-hit-the-internet-after-liverpool-5-arsenal-1/

[Mik]

Is Wes Brown trying to get a red card record this season?

Rather fucked us up today, just when we needed a result. We just dont seem to be able to keep ourselves away from trouble. Two tough games coming up and I'm expecting to be back in the relegation zone by the time they are done.

[turdpower]

Everyday things Arsene Wenger can't do should be a website.

Of course his zip would take up most of it.

[Simon]

We're so shit.

[Fanny]

this is a fucking crap game

[Gary J]

How come Defoe is on the bench thought he'd gone to Toronto?

[Ringo]

Going at the end of Feb.

[Fanny]

end of Feb he's offski, he's going to score a barrel-load before he goes first to show what a twat move by everyone it is, including him

[Fanny]

general point, but I fucking hate defenders shepherding the ball out for a goal kick, such a farce

[Fanny]

oh Lennon had been playing this whole time?

[Fanny]

better game now like #fanny'sacepunditry

[Simon]

Apologies to MMH. Completely undeserved.

[Fanny]

I don't think the second half has been too one-sided in favour of Everton like, and if Spurs can take their chance then fuck it nothing to be sorry for

[Gary J]

Rather fucked us up today, just when we needed a result. We just dont seem to be able to keep ourselves away from trouble. Two tough games coming up and I'm expecting to be back in the relegation zone by the time they are done.

Yeah it kinda killed the game off for you although not as badly as the first game. I think you'll be ok you've been playing quiet well lately when i've seen you. Poyet is doing a pretty good job.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Paul Doyle was saying in the Guardian and on Football Weekly that if David Moyes didn't start his best front 4 against Fulham at home, then it would say a lot about his attitude to managing Manchester United. I agree with him, this is the one game he should have been trying them all to rack up a performance and a score, but he picked Young over Januzaj. This is turgid, bad football from United and Moyes really is under pressure if United don't turn this around in a big, big way. Fulham are a bad team. Watching Young and Evra pelt in shit cross after shit cross for Fulham players to head away is not really good enough with the likes of Rooney, Mata and Van Persie on the pitch.

[Ringo]

Not sure I can see this Fulham side maintaining organisation and holding strong for long here though. They're generally a big mess. 2-1 United by half time.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

It looks easy for them so far. They will take their chances letting United cross it all day, it's percentages play for both sides and the percentages favour Fulham with the set-up they have numbers-wise in the box. Without Januzaj on, there's no one with pace in United's side or ability to go past players, so they know the cross is coming in every time and they just need to make sure they are in the right place.

[Prototype16]

Watching Man Utd struggling is all very amusing but they better not let bloody Fulham pick up three points here

[Ringo]

"HT crosses 46-1 , attacking third passes completed 133-4, goals 0-1."

:yes:

[Mik]

If Man United continue playing this way, I can only see Fulham winning. They arent trying to break them down, they are just tonking in crosses. No guile at all.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

How bad United's football is and has been all season is all the more striking when you see the penetrative, pacey, brilliant football Liverpool and Everton play at times, that other "young" coaches across Europe play with their teams, such as Klopp, Simeone, Conte, Guardiola etc. Moyes looks like a tactical dinosaur already. I have defended him a bit and think his Everton team were better than he has been given credit for and he always had good footballers in his side, but the way he has this team playing is really, really bad. He needs to adapt, this team shouldn't be playing such turgid stuff, as disappointing as some of the players are. It looks directionless, toothless, paceless and easy to defend against.

[The Rosk]

Is Mata playing?

[BBF]

Yep, and has had basically no impact. Not his fault, United are just playing the wrong gameplan totally.

[The Rosk]

I know he is. I was being facetious. Rafael is so dogshit.

[BBF]

54 crosses :lol:

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Evra is being looked for more than Mata. No point having a play-maker if you don't use him. Rooney is not good as a play-maker, too bad on the ball and in decision-making. This is comfortable for Fulham really. This is most definitely a sackable set of performances for Moyes if he tops off bad games against Sunderland, Stoke and Cardiff with a home loss vs. Fulham. These are bad, bad football teams.

[Fanny]

I think Sunderland are a lot better than their league position, queer as that may sound

[The Rosk]

Even though he's a cunt for diving against us and us and all that, I find blaming Young for performances like this a bit much. He's had more possession than Fulham by himself and wanted it every single time. He's a winger so what do you want him to do other than link up with the fullback and put crosses in? No one else has done anything for United. Maybe he should sit around the middle losing the ball and looking disinterested like Mata has done for the whole game.

[Fanny]

Wayne Rooney is an overrated fucking potato

[BBF]

Oh ffs

[Mik]

Evra is being looked for more than Mata. No point having a play-maker if you don't use him. Rooney is not good as a play-maker, too bad on the ball and in decision-making. This is comfortable for Fulham really. This is most definitely a sackable set of performances for Moyes if he tops off bad games against Sunderland, Stoke and Cardiff with a home loss vs. Fulham. These are bad, bad football teams.

Hey! We've beat them, Man City, Chelsea and Everton.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I think Sunderland are a lot better than their league position, queer as that may sound

Pretty much every side below 6th is much of a muchness in terms of mediocrity at the moment. Including Manchester United. Some teams can have their days but mainly every team down there is pretty wretched and any decent side should be doing them.

[The Rosk]

I agree, everyone below United are interchangeable. Sunderland will be shit again soon enough like the rest of us.

[Fanny]

:rofl:

[Ringo]

shabjasksasdd fucking helllllllll

[Mik]

Haha, tremendous.

[Fanny]

GO OOOON GO OOOOON

ahahgsaghshjgaksjabdjsansxowqliakjs

[Fanny]

Moyes did well to rescue a point there to be fair

[Gary J]

Might as well just get Fergie back he's there every week anyway.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

That is a big fat L O L.

[Darkoke]

Might as well just get Fergie back he's there every week anyway.

Anyone think that's an option or likely to happen?

[Gary J]

There is no way that would happen if they did rid of Moyes (which I can't see happening) who would they bring in? It would be more then likely Giggs in charge until the end of the season while they waited until after the World Cup to see who was available.

[Fanny]

imagine the arse fell out the club, the Glazers fucked off, the banks called in the debt and they ended up in the Vauxhall Conference in 1994

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I think Jurgen Klopp would take the job, rather than see Bayern take all his best players and hoover up the Bundesliga every year. Klopp would be interesting. He's probably taken Dortmund as far as he can and he has shown he can build a side, has an eye for a player and his a style of play that befits the modern game. Moyes was an uninspiring appointment anyway, but it's now gone laughably shit for him. It takes some leap of faith to believe he will turn it around.

[Fanny]

Klopp would also be a good shout for getting Kagawa a game

[turdpower]

I don't think it's possible to get Rooney, Mata and Kagawa into the same team.

Fergie won't come back at all. Although I do imagine he is helping Moyes quite a bit which is quite worrying.

I think the main problem is the massive change to the backroom staff, I think everything would have been much smoother if everyone had just stayed behind the scenes. Obviously Rene chose to walk, but the others probably would have stayed.

[Fanny]

I don't think it's possible to get Rooney, Mata and Kagawa into the same team.



get Rooney to fuck then

[Andy]

In a 4-2-3-1 you could. Mata wide, Kagawa central, Rooney up front. Don't think you could get RVP in there too though.

[Fanny]

so, get Rooney to fuck then

[Lagom]

Fanny, what are your thoughts on Rooney's place in the current United team?

[Fanny]

I'm a bit on the fence mate. And I've spray-painted "Rooney is a cock-end" on that fence.

[Peter Griffin]

Piss off Fanny. Rooney can be a vital player, given the right players around him.

[Fanny]

can you please not tell me to piss off Peter, after everything I've done for you? Rooney is a fat fucking mess of a player who can barely think two passes ahead of him these days. Doesn't score nearly enough either. And he hasn't scored a screamer of an overhead bicycle kick for yonks. NEXT

[turdpower]

One against Hull was a fucking TONK. mate.

[Lagom]

On the subject of TONK, how about that Suarez volley yesterday. OOOOF.

[The Rosk]

Shamelessly stolen from 101 but Jesus Christ:

This guy at Lazio is supposedly 17.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgCD1JACYAEdaHs.jpg

No. passes Rooney made to RVP yesterday:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgEUrqkIQAAh_N7.jpg

Brilliant.

[McBain]

17 :lol:

[son_of_foley]

Rooney was awful yesterday. It's like he doesn't understand what that number 10 position is.

He wasn't that far back when Tevez played was he? Was that because Tevez himself dropped back or has Rooney got worse at it due to a lack of trust in the central midfielders at United.

He's pointless when playing like that. Absolutely fucking pointless

[The Rosk]

Djebbour looks a quality player for the Championship. 39 goals in 53 games for Olympiakos screams that he will destroy that League.

[turdpower]

Rooney was awful yesterday. It's like he doesn't understand what that number 10 position is.

He wasn't that far back when Tevez played was he? Was that because Tevez himself dropped back or has Rooney got worse at it due to a lack of trust in the central midfielders at United.

He's pointless when playing like that. Absolutely fucking pointless

When he played with Tevez they both dropped really deep, sometimes it was a 4-6-0 (or 4-2-4 depending on circumstance)

[Mik]

On the subject of TONK, how about that Suarez volley yesterday. OOOOF.

That was a phenomenal hit. I wish it'd gone in.

[turdpower]

Shamelessly stolen from 101 but Jesus Christ:

This guy at Lazio is supposedly 17.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgCD1JACYAEdaHs.jpg


http://www.abitarearoma.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Minala-Lazio.jpg

[Romford Pele]

Been in Italy so missed the game but fuck me what a terrible result at Liverpool. Doesnt matter how well Liverpool played, no excuse for going 4-0 down after 18 minutes.

By all accounts Ozil was shite, will be interesting if Wenger sticks with him tomorrow night or brings in Gnabry. What is for sure is that tomorrow is a must win if we have any pretentions about a title challenge. Also, I'm glad we have Liverpool in the cup on Saturday as Flamini is back and we should be well up for it.

Challenging next few days.

[The Rosk]

Arsenal are gutless cunts who are being found out, as I predicted last week, and as I predicted months beforehand. Their fans don't help being utterly soulless at almost all games and getting on their back within seconds if they aren't winning by two clear goals. I used to live next to their ground so I know exactly what it's like down there. No trophies for years = no guts.

[Simon]

Ozil was absolutely shit but I don't think he deserves to be singled out. Bar Wilshere and possibly Oxlade-Chamberlain they were all terrible and gutless. Ozil was no worse than Giroud, Arteta, Cazorla, Mertesacker, Koscielnly, Sagna and Monreal. You can maybe let Chesney off because he didn't particularly drop a bollock for any of the goals. Wilshere and AOC didn't play well either but they at least had the decency to look annoyed about what was happening. Mertesacker's defending some of the goals was appallingly lazy - Sterling's first and Sturridge's in particular. Just jogging back when getting back at full speed (however slow that may be) could have prevented the goal. Pathetic really.

If you haven't seen the game, all you need to know is that Arsenal were incredibly lucky to only be 4-0 down after 20 minutes - Suarez hit a post and Toure missed an open goal on the rebound. Sturridge missed another pretty easy chance. In the second half Sterling and Henderson both missed great chances too. No exaggeration to say it could have been 8 or 9.

[Simon]

Arsenal are gutless cunts who are being found out, as I predicted last week, and as I predicted months beforehand. Their fans don't help being utterly soulless at almost all games and getting on their back within seconds if they aren't winning by two clear goals. I used to live next to their ground so I know exactly what it's like down there. No trophies for years = no guts.
Arsenal/United on Wednesday could be a very strange atmosphere. Both teams fully expecting to lose.

[Romford Pele]

Ozil was absolutely shit but I don't think he deserves to be singled out. Bar Wilshere and possibly Oxlade-Chamberlain they were all terrible and gutless. Ozil was no worse than Giroud, Arteta, Cazorla, Mertesacker, Koscielnly, Sagna and Monreal. You can maybe let Chesney off because he didn't particularly drop a bollock for any of the goals. Wilshere and AOC didn't play well either but they at least had the decency to look annoyed about what was happening. Mertesacker's defending some of the goals was appallingly lazy - Sterling's first and Sturridge's in particular. Just jogging back when getting back at full speed (however slow that may be) could have prevented the goal. Pathetic really.

If you haven't seen the game, all you need to know is that Arsenal were incredibly lucky to only be 4-0 down after 20 minutes - Suarez hit a post and Toure missed an open goal on the rebound. Sturridge missed another pretty easy chance. In the second half Sterling and Henderson both missed great chances too. No exaggeration to say it could have been 8 or 9.

He wouldnt be singled out if he wasn't signed for £42m, but for that money people are entitled to ask why he didnt look arsed during the whole game. He is a match winner and on occasion this season he has been a passenger.

I do agree though that pretty much the whole side was terrible bar the players mentioned though. BFG was very bizaree as he has been awesome this season up to now.

I don't plan on watching it! I heard it could have been even worse, so maybe we got away with it a bit. We really do miss Flamini in games like that...at least he is back at the weekend.

[Romford Pele]

Arsenal are gutless cunts who are being found out, as I predicted last week, and as I predicted months beforehand. Their fans don't help being utterly soulless at almost all games and getting on their back within seconds if they aren't winning by two clear goals. I used to live next to their ground so I know exactly what it's like down there. No trophies for years = no guts.

To be fair, the team has won nothing for 9 years and the fans pay the highest ticket prices in the world. I too have lived there and nothing infuriates me more than the cunts who leave every game early to beat the tube rush or leave when we are a couple of goals down.

Yes, we do have some twats as fans but so does every club. Look at the reaction United fans are making at the moment. They have been the most successful side for 20+ years and the first season they are not in contention they are calling for the manager to be sacked. Wenger has had far more patience from a large section of our fanbase.

[Simon]

United fans aren't calling for Moyes to be sacked (well, bar the odd one). In fact the general feeling is that United fans are being very supportive where fans of other teams would be losing their minds. I don't think United have been roundly booed off at any point this season have they? Our fans boo if we go in at half-time 0-0, pretty much every time it happens.

[The Rosk]

Yeah but at least Man Utd fans aren't racist. My mate said he heard monkey chants down the Emirates the other day when Cameron Jerome skied a volley over the bar.

[Romford Pele]

Thats right, resort to that when I make a reasonable point.

[Romford Pele]

United fans aren't calling for Moyes to be sacked (well, bar the odd one). In fact the general feeling is that United fans are being very supportive where fans of other teams would be losing their minds. I don't think United have been roundly booed off at any point this season have they? Our fans boo if we go in at half-time 0-0, pretty much every time it happens.

Have a look on football365 mailbox or listen to talksport or 606 - they are absolutely all over him to go. Granted, it might be different at the ground itself, but there are a lot who want him out.

[Chris Scott]

NatureBoy, met up with my two Arsenal mates I met on holiday last year. Good crack with them like I did at your place. Keep on saying at the home games there's no passion from the fans.

Looking forward to the FA cup game.

[Simon]

Have a look on football365 mailbox or listen to talksport or 606 - they are absolutely all over him to go. Granted, it might be different at the ground itself, but there are a lot who want him out.

Yeah but these are the nutters. The idiots are always the loudest (said the man with 122,000 posts), they don't give a true representation of the general feeling. Someone who thinks that United are plodding along ok, could be doing better but could be doing worse, isn't going to get on the radio.

[Romford Pele]

NatureBoy, met up with my two Arsenal mates I met on holiday last year. Good crack with them like I did at your place. Keep on saying at the home games there's no passion from the fans.

Looking forward to the FA cup game.

Did you get a ticket for this weekend?

If you did, dont buy food in the ground - complete ripoff. There are some good restaurants on Holloway Road or Highbury Corner you get something good.


I bet you are looking forward to it! Hope it is closer this time, you boys are on great form.

Yeah, the home games arent the same - especially the bigger ones as ordinary fans are priced out.

I checked and I am 44,996 on the season ticket waiting list - I doubt I would even take it but it does show the popularity.

[The Rosk]

Thats right, resort to that when I make a reasonable point.

?

[Romford Pele]

You were bringing up the mate thing again - I was actually enjoying the discussion.

[The Rosk]

It was a genuine point. Don't call my mate a liar.

[The Rosk]

Yeah but these are the nutters. The idiots are always the loudest (said the man with 122,000 posts), they don't give a true representation of the general feeling. Someone who thinks that United are plodding along ok, could be doing better but could be doing worse, isn't going to get on the radio.

TalkSport is genuinely scary for the people they allow to be broadcast to the nation. It is hard to come to terms with the fact that these people actually are part of our country.

[Romford Pele]

Yawn.

[Simon]

TalkSport is genuinely scary for the people they allow to be broadcast to the nation. It is hard to come to terms with the fact that these people actually are part of our country.

I honestly cannot listen to it - I had to not long ago because it was the only place airing the Spurs/Newcastle game, and it was so bad it was infuriating. Transparent listener-baiting by the presenters, just saying any old controversial shite in the knowledge that the idiots will call in to rant at length for just 50p a minute. Their phone rates are more of a tax on the poor than the lottery.

[Chris Scott]

Did you get a ticket for this weekend?

If you did, dont buy food in the ground - complete ripoff. There are some good restaurants on Holloway Road or Highbury Corner you get something good.


I bet you are looking forward to it! Hope it is closer this time, you boys are on great form.

Yeah, the home games arent the same - especially the bigger ones as ordinary fans are priced out.

I checked and I am 44,996 on the season ticket waiting list - I doubt I would even take it but it does show the popularity.

No didn't get a ticket still hoping to get a ticket.

I remember getting something from Highbury Corner in November but I remember getting a sausage roll and a beer at the ground obviously at a ridiculous price.

[Pablo Diablo]

Deserved for West Brom really, had really been on the front foot leading up to it.

[Romford Pele]

No didn't get a ticket still hoping to get a ticket.

I remember getting something from Highbury Corner in November but I remember getting a sausage roll and a beer at the ground obviously at a ridiculous price.

If you have a bit of time theres a nice pizza place right by Highbury and Islington station.

[The Rosk]

Which one?

I really like the Italian next to the Garage. Good pasta there.

[Romford Pele]

The one opposite the garage, other side of the road - I forget the name for some reason. Saw Dara O'Briene in there once as well.

You can get a massive pizza there for 7 or 8 quid, always good then pop down to the Bailey (thats a gooner pub Chris Scott, so don't go there).

[The Rosk]

The Bailey is a shithole. Full of wifebeating scumbags.

Just go to the Library and sip on a pale ale. Only two minutes walk away.

[Romford Pele]

Well I stand outside it generally and only go when weather is good - was chatting to Charlie George there once during the North London derby which was surreal.

Highbury Tavern is also good but a bit of a walk.

[Slare]

You're dropping names all over the shop here NatureBoy.

[Romford Pele]

I stood next to Alan Davies at a urinal at the fa cup semi final but didnt say anything (seemed inappropriate given our proximity)

The other 'celeb' I saw at Arsenal was Maxwell from Big Brother 2005. Absolute cock.

[Slare]

did you have a jonathan creek at his knob?

[Romford Pele]

Ahahaha ...I was trying to think of something funny/worthwhile to say but bottled out of it. Epic fail.

[Simon]

He was off the HOOK.

[Slare]

Did you have to wait in a queue, aye?

[Simon]

Fucking hell lads this is a blast from the past. So fucking funny, Ilunga Mwepu is a legend for being up for this :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Go8Ny9haDw

[Peter Griffin]

Randomness: Tony Yeboah was awesome, he just popped in my head when thinking of 'worldies'

[Chris Scott]

I know I've banged on about him this season and but Jordan Henderson was quality on Saturday.

Given the contributions of some of our attacking players.......but for me, Henderson is my player of the season so far. Indispensable, dedicated, oozes team spirit and togetherness, does all the little things superbly, never once a complaint or word back to the manager (or at least not that we've seen at home), I could go on and on. Just needs to work on his finishing and chip in with more goals. He's certainly got into the positions this season.

Can't think of another player in the PL who has improved to the degree that he has and forced such a swing of public opinion in his favour over the past eighteen months. He's becoming an excellent player, working with Rodgers has helped him to improve his game in almost every area. If he can just improve his finishing and chip in with a few more goals I think he could really become a top player. He defiantly should be on the plane to Brazil.

[Romford Pele]

Did you have to wait in a queue, aye?

I was already there, he joined me in opposite urinal. That sounded very partridgesque

[Bad Collin]

We have been gash so far. This is reminiscent of the Villa performance, we really miss Lucas in these type of games.

[Bad Collin]

Get in there Danny boy, what a ball from Stevie though

[MMH]

I know I've banged on about him this season and but Jordan Henderson was quality on Saturday.

Given the contributions of some of our attacking players.......but for me, Henderson is my player of the season so far. Indispensable, dedicated, oozes team spirit and togetherness, does all the little things superbly, never once a complaint or word back to the manager (or at least not that we've seen at home), I could go on and on. Just needs to work on his finishing and chip in with more goals. He's certainly got into the positions this season.

Can't think of another player in the PL who has improved to the degree that he has and forced such a swing of public opinion in his favour over the past eighteen months. He's becoming an excellent player, working with Rodgers has helped him to improve his game in almost every area. If he can just improve his finishing and chip in with a few more goals I think he could really become a top player. He defiantly should be on the plane to Brazil.

Weirdly he got the lowest average marks (6.2) out of ten by Liverpool fans in the Echo on monday.

Hes nowhere near as bad as people make out. Just seems like a solid top fight player to me though.

[MMH]

Also opting to watch Arsenal vs Man Utd as out game was called off was a poor call. What a grim match.

[Bad Collin]

For fucks sake, domination in the second half then we concede a shit goal like that.

[turdpower]

Fulham are good at doing that...