***Official*** English Football Discussion Thread

[The Rosk]

Maybe you two should just continue this same inane dreadfully boring point-scoring argument without ever adding anything new FOREVER.

Maybe you should stop this dreadfully boring effort to not post in the Asylum in case a nasty man gets you sacked from your job.

[Bluemoon]

:rofl:

lol, you like that one? Was just testing you

Let's be honest I'm fucking tired from last night, didn't get to bed late and can't be bothered this morning. City are shit, rosk is shit, I'm shit, let's carry on later.

[Simon]

You shouldn't really be testing anyone else until you're able to pass your own GSSE tests :D

[Keano's Magic Hat]

BlueMoon, you started singing too soon
you thought you'd finish fourth
Carlos Tevez is a cunttttttt

[BBF]

Alright, Simon, giving it the big one. How many fucking GSSE's have you got, you cunt?

[Simon]

BlueMoon, you started singing too soon
you thought you'd finish fourth
Carlos Tevez is a cunttttttt
...to the tune of "Knees Up Mother Brown".

[The Rosk]

I want to know what kind of GSSEs and B Levels everyone got.

[BBF]

Rosk could have the last laugh here too if Villa beat Blackburn and City lose to WHAM....

[BBF]

I want to know what kind of GSSEs and B Levels everyone got.

I got a 2.B in Hisitoriconomics.

[Andy]

Too far.

[son_of_foley]

you cant joke around you big art degree bastard

[The Rosk]

I got a 2.B in Hisitoriconomics.

Shut up mate leave Bluemoon alone you fucking inconsiderate prick.

[Wiganer]

I've got an HB Pencil :happysad:

[Keano's Magic Hat]

BBF has ruined this thread. Nice one.

[Simon]

Rosk could have the last laugh here too if Villa beat Blackburn and City lose to WHAM....

Who CARES? The season is over, we finished fourth, YATAAAAAAAAAAA...HAVE SOME "O" THAT.

[Alf]

Bloody hell BBF. Calm down mate. We've all had a bit to drink...

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Bayern Munich are ready to offer United £7million for Jason Park. Yes, please.

[BBF]

Fuck. Sorry lads. I'm gonna go and sit down for a bit.

[Simon]

Just FAO everyone, if you thought I was bad these last ten years, I am going to become absolutely insufferable now that Tottenham are unarguably the best team in the world.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Ronaldo scored another goal yesterday where he beat 3 men before finishing. The standard of defending in the Spanish league is atrocious.

[TraXX]

I guess you really did have a better team this year.

[Lazurus]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/t_a_gibson/spurscl.jpg

[Simon]

We are gonna get knocked out by OB of Denmark thanks to fucking Roy Carroll.

[Fanny Batter]

Bayern Munich are ready to offer United £7million for Jason Park. Yes, please.

I love Ji-Unit, he'd only get racially hounded out of Germany.

[Simon]

MMH, what sort of transfers going in and out did Everton have when they finished fourth that year? Did you buy a few players in the hope that they would get you to kick on, or did you not bother/wait until you hopefully got to the group stages?

[Matt E]

Values are probably off in some cases but according to soccerbase -
Player From Fee Date
Simon Davies Tottenham £ 3500000 26-05-2005
Per Kroldrup Udinese £ 5000000 27-06-2005
Mikel Arteta Sociedad £ 2000000 01-07-2005
Phil Neville Man Utd £ 3500000 04-08-2005
Nuno Valente Porto £ 1500000 30-08-2005
Andy Van der Meyde Inter £ 2000000 31-08-2005

[Murphy]

:D

I was glued to the spot when Crouch scored last night, having celebrated when King 'scored'. Took about 4 seconds. :D

[Simon]

Values are probably off in some cases but according to soccerbase -
Player From Fee Date
Simon Davies Tottenham £ 3500000 26-05-2005
Per Kroldrup Udinese £ 5000000 27-06-2005
Mikel Arteta Sociedad £ 2000000 01-07-2005
Phil Neville Man Utd £ 3500000 04-08-2005
Nuno Valente Porto £ 1500000 30-08-2005
Andy Van der Meyde Inter £ 2000000 31-08-2005

That's some fairly serious strengthening in theory then, despite the relatively small fees. Just trying to weigh up the way we should approach the summer transfer window. There's no sense in going all out on the assumption that we will qualify, but equally we should be doing everything we can to ensure that we do. I suppose the best thing is to just sit back and let Harry and Danny do their thing. It'll be like Delboy and Rodney, one dodgy dealer desperate to take risks and speculate to accumulate, and one mardy pessimist who just wants to keep his head above water.

[Alf]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/8664024.stm

Look at Levy joining in with the laughing but standing on his own...

What's with the shorts pulled up look with Daws and Bentley?

When Crouch scored it took a couple of seconds to process, I was waiting for the ref to blow... and then I went mental, ran up to the TV, and did a little spastic dance.

[MMH]

MMH, what sort of transfers going in and out did Everton have when they finished fourth that year? Did you buy a few players in the hope that they would get you to kick on, or did you not bother/wait until you hopefully got to the group stages?

It was a complete mess. We basically bought nobody of note and fucked it up as per usual.

Arteta was already on loan beforehand.

We bought in

Per Kroldrup (5M, 1 game sold in the winter window)
Simon Davies (3.5M and shite)
Andy Van Der Meyde (1.7M and shite)
Phil Neville (3.5M)
Matteo Ferrari (loan)

and sold Steve Watson and Alan Stubbs.

It was like we knew we wouldnt qualify so didnt really bother. Cant see that happening with Spurs as there squad is decent enough already. I think our squad now would be a decent basis to kick off from now too. But back then ours was basically the same squad who came 17th the season before minus Wayne Rooney and Tomasz Radzinski and with Tim Cahill added.

I think if we got a better draw in the Cup we would have spent a bit more but we played safe and it cost us.

[Beefy]

Are you actually saying you wouldn't celebrate, or that the villa players wouldn't celebrate, it if Villa done it?

Why lie may? Why lie?

He didn't say anything like that though, did he? He pointed out how ridiculous it is that people go mental about finishing 4th in a 20 horse race. And he's completely right. It's pretty pathetic that a great club like Spurs (and whilst I've got no love for Spurs at all, I've been there enough to know how big and proud a Club it is) are so over the moon at achieving something which wouldn't even get a bronze in the Olympics.

Football is fucked, and it's fucked because of the Champions League and the way that it has seemingly convinced people that finishing 4th is a success rather than being the failure that it actually is.

[Alf]

He didn't say anything like that though, did he? He pointed out how ridiculous it is that people go mental about finishing 4th in a 20 horse race. And he's completely right. It's pretty pathetic that a great club like Spurs (and whilst I've got no love for Spurs at all, I've been there enough to know how big and proud a Club it is) are so over the moon at achieving something which wouldn't even get a bronze in the Olympics.

Football is fucked, and it's fucked because of the Champions League and the way that it has seemingly convinced people that finishing 4th is a success rather than being the failure that it actually is.

Calm down mate. I have also said before that in an ideal world 4th is fuck all and shouldn't be something to celebrate, however, that's not that way it actuall is, is it? For the best will in the world I can't change it. As it stands, it is an acheivement for Spurs. However minor. And I don't see any shame in enjoying it.

I also don't see what's wrong with me turning the tables on 1PA and asking him if he'd behave differently. Why are you so offended by that?

[El Capitano Gatisto]

It's a silly question. Beefy answered the entire post you just made in the one you quoted. Calm down and try reading what he's said.

[MMH]

Calm down mate. I have also said before that in an ideal world 4th is fuck all and shouldn't be something to celebrate, however, that's not that way it actuall is, is it? For the best will in the world I can't change it. As it stands, it is an acheivement for Spurs. However minor. And I don't see any shame in enjoying it.

I also don't see what's wrong with me turning the tables on 1PA and asking him if he'd behave differently. Why are you so offended by that?

Why are you telling him to calm down? :lol:

He doesnt seem uncalm or offended by it...

He is right of course. I dont think coming 4th is an acheivement as such. However it gives your club the chance to attract some better players and gives you the chance to entertain some of the elite teams in Europe at White Hart Lane which is enough reason to celebrate for me.

[Alf]

It was a complete mess. We basically bought nobody of note and fucked it up as per usual.

Arteta was already on loan beforehand.

We bought in

Per Kroldrup (5M, 1 game sold in the winter window)
Simon Davies (3.5M and shite)
Andy Van Der Meyde (1.7M and shite)
Phil Neville (3.5M)
Matteo Ferrari (loan)

and sold Steve Watson and Alan Stubbs.

It was like we knew we wouldnt qualify so didnt really bother. Cant see that happening with Spurs as there squad is decent enough already. I think our squad now would be a decent basis to kick off from now too. But back then ours was basically the same squad who came 17th the season before minus Wayne Rooney and Tomasz Radzinski and with Tim Cahill added.

I think if we got a better draw in the Cup we would have spent a bit more but we played safe and it cost us.

Didn't you also finish that season (getting 4th) with a negative goal difference too? I'm not sure what that means in reality, but it suggests we have better fire power or defense, or both. But then it's a case of swings and roundabouts because it's difficult to transpose that season to this one, there are too many variables.

I do agree that we have a stronger squad now than you did then... and perhaps we have deeper pockets. Were you folks skint back then too? I can't even remember.

Anyway, if we can hold onto key players then we'll be fine I reckon. I'd suggest we only really need striker and a defender. We've got Sandro on the way, but due to his lack of premness it might be wise to get another one.

Meh.

[Alf]

Why are you telling him to calm down? :lol:

He doesnt seem uncalm or offended by it...

I know :)

I'm doing the Rosk method.

[Alf]

It's a silly question. Beefy answered the entire post you just made in the one you quoted. Calm down and try reading what he's said.

No he didn't. Beef said it's pathetic celebrating fourth. I was explaining my position, in that, yes, I agree it is technically pathetic, but in reality it isn't.

Move along.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

No he didn't. Beef said it's pathetic celebrating fourth. I was explaining my position, in that, yes, I agree it is technically pathetic, but in reality it isn't.

Move along.

He said more than that, but good job anyway. I am not going to repeat something that was said well once and you still managed to completely misunderstand.

In addition, as has been pointed out it means very little if Spurs don't qualify for the groups or if they don't finish 4th or higher again next season because of the way the CL affects football now.

[Ringo]

Absolutely chuffed for our youth team by the way, especially since Villa are known for having such a strong Academy set up. Special praise should go to Josh McEachran who saved his best for the final and Conor Clifford who was in top form, scoring a beauty of a winning goal. Can only hope a few of these lads go on to have successful careers at the highest level. Good to see 10,000 turn up at Stamford Bridge for the game too.

There are highlights on the FA website, in case any Villa fans missed it and are interested in seeing how their boys did (although it is taken from Chelsea TV so be prepared for a BIT of bias):

http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/FACompetitions/TheFAYouthCup

[Alf]

In addition, as has been pointed out it means very little if Spurs don't qualify for the groups or if they don't finish 4th or higher again next season because of the way the CL affects football now.

Well, that's for us to worry about if/when it does/doesn't happen. It's not worth getting in a tizz about yet.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Well it illustrates the point made by Beefy. Spurs haven't actually won anything or even guaranteed anything, yet celebrated like they'd won the title.

[Mik]

Just trying to weigh up the way we should approach the summer transfer window. There's no sense in going all out on the assumption that we will qualify, but equally we should be doing everything we can to ensure that we do. I suppose the best thing is to just sit back and let Harry and Danny do their thing.


Has there been speculation about them hiring you as an official transfer consultant or something?

[Alf]

Well it illustrates the point made by Beefy. Spurs haven't actually won anything or even guaranteed anything, yet celebrated like they'd won the title.

Sigh...

We've just cemented 4th after years of trying and millions spent, after a very tough run in where we beat Arsenal and Chelsea. It all came down to this one game, there was a lot of pressure, and we won... it's something we've obsessed about, rightly or wrongly, as a club and as supporters for yonks, we literally shat ourselves last time we were in the same position... fuck me, sorry lads. But I can't see any of you, being in the same situation, wouldn't be happy with it. I can't see anyone here saying "Well, it's bollocks anyway."

I'm well, well, well, aware that we still have to go through the qualifying round. I'm well aware that finishing 4th is like being voted best looking boy by your nan. Yes, it is a criminal, criminal shame that due to the champions league 4th is a goal, when in reality it is fuck all. It is a hideous shame that such a thing as 'the race for 4th' exists. Yes, I agree with all of that.

How can you not see, from my perspective, that it's still something to be pretty chuffed about? I can't change it, for better or worse, 4th in the current climate is something for a club of Spurs' stature to celebrate.

That's what I'm saying. I agree with Beefy, I do. But I'm not going to feel like a prick for being happy about it.

[RFF Champ]

Mik, you're getting lax with the uniqueness of your new persona. You've already brought Newcastle into a discussion with zero involvement of them and now taken a snide at Simon all in one day.

[Chris Scott]

It's certainly interesting to see how Spurs will do if they get past the qualifiers and if they keep up the push for top 4 next season. You now have big games coming thick and fast with playing Saturday, Tuesday/Wednesday.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

No one's trying to make you feel like a prick for it. Just making the salient point at the state of football that coming fourth is celebrated like winning a title. The point would be exactly the same had it been Liverpool, City or Villa doing it.

[Alf]

No one's trying to make you feel like a prick for it. Just making the salient point at the state of football that coming fourth is celebrated like winning a title. The point would be exactly the same had it been Liverpool, City or Villa doing it.

I didn't suggest it wouldn't be the same if Liverpool, City, or Villa had done it.

[Alf]

It's certainly interesting to see how Spurs will do if they get past the qualifiers and if they keep up the push for top 4 next season. You now have big games coming thick and fast with playing Saturday, Tuesday/Wednesday.

I know it's a different kettle of fish, but we've done it in the UEFA... and a few of out players have actually played CL football (a point I think gets missed).

Plus, I think we'd likely go the Arsenal/Man U route and possibly use the Carling Cup and early rounds of the FA Cup to blood the youngsters. There's nowt admirable in that, but to fight on all fronts I think we'd have to do it.

[MMH]

Didn't you also finish that season (getting 4th) with a negative goal difference too? I'm not sure what that means in reality, but it suggests we have better fire power or defense, or both. But then it's a case of swings and roundabouts because it's difficult to transpose that season to this one, there are too many variables.

I do agree that we have a stronger squad now than you did then... and perhaps we have deeper pockets. Were you folks skint back then too? I can't even remember.

Anyway, if we can hold onto key players then we'll be fine I reckon. I'd suggest we only really need striker and a defender. We've got Sandro on the way, but due to his lack of premness it might be wise to get another one.

Meh.

We are permanantly skint.

We had got the Rooney money but that went into a black hole mostly.

We had Marcus Bent up front which is all you need to know about a lack of fire power. I think we managed to get the GD up to a whopping +1 but dont quote me on that. But our success was based on solid defence more than anything.

Spurs are more than equipped to compete in Europe I reckon. With a couple of smart buys you will be fine.

Rumours up here today are you are offering a swap Pienaar for Keane. Cant see that myself. Man Utd are supposedly offering 15M + Park for him.

I wish you would all just fuck off.

[Alf]

I'm not sure where Pienaar would play though.

He can play all across the midfield can't he?

[Simon]

What I don't understand here is that people are saying we are celebrating the achievement as if it's an end in itself, and that isn't the case at all. The celebrations are because we've done something we've not done in a long time and given ourselves a shot at playing in the European Cup, the biggest stage of all.

What relevance does it have to anyone below the age of 60 or so that we won the double 50 years ago? How can you expect me, Alf, Laz or any other Spurs fan born after that to look at tonight and honestly say "well yeah but it's hardly hitting the heights of the 60/61 season"? Who in the side that went nuts at the end last night has achieved any comparable success that makes this season a lesser achievement? Gomes, that's it isn't it?

We're not just celebrating the fact that we've finished fourth. It's what it (potentially) represents - a shot at the big time. Of course we're not guaranteed anything, but we're infinitely more likely to win the Champions League next year than we have been at any previous point simply because we've qualified for it. With that brings the money and exposure to continue working up the ladder towards greater success. None of this is guaranteed, but yesterday we took the first step, a step we've never taken in my lifetime or indeed the lifetimes of the vast majority of Spurs supporters. No one's taking it as anything more.

[son_of_foley]

The whole point that was being made is that 4th is a shot at the big time and that's depressing. It was never a dig at spurs.

[Simon]

Rumours up here today are you are offering a swap Pienaar for Keane. Cant see that myself. Man Utd are supposedly offering 15M + Park for him.


Why would United be offering a deal worth £20m+ for a player who is out of contract in the summer? :wtf:

[Friday]

Why would United be offering a deal worth £20m+ for a player who is out of contract in the summer? :wtf:

He isn't out of contract until next summer.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I didn't suggest it wouldn't be the same if Liverpool, City, or Villa had done it.

Well, your original replies to 1PA and Beefy were "they would do the same" which is how you completely missed the point of what they were saying. Continuing to do so, I'm not sure what you're even disagreeing for. Everyone knows the reasons why Spurs were celebrating so it's a waste of time going into it.

[MMH]

I'm not sure where Pienaar would play though.

He can play all across the midfield can't he?

Yeah he can play anywhere in midfield. Favours left or centre though.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Stephen Ireland is in the papers today talking about leaving. I think he'd be a good signing in theory for any sides around City in the table, but he is a lunatic.

[son_of_foley]

He should just wait for the next manager to come in

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I think he's caught up in City's need to make marquee signings, he'll never be assured of his future unless a team signs him. City almost have to spend money to show they're serious and it can leave the players they already have marginalised.

[son_of_foley]

I reckon Paul Jewell will be in by the end of the month

[son_of_foley]

That would be actually brilliant

[son_of_foley]

Genuinely though I think Ireland and actually the majority of Hughes signings will probably have an eye on the exit now. Can't see many top continental managers having time of day for Benjani, Roque Santa Cruz and others

[Alf]

Ahaha, you can imagine the city board talking about jewel...

"Well, maybe we got it all wrong with a fancy foreign manager... that Hodgson is doing well, Redknapp is the first English manager since Robson to qualify for the CL... and McClaren is doing well too... maybe we need an English manager. Lads, get Jewel on the phone.".

[Alf]

Ireland was mint last season (or was it the one before?). If he wasn't so bat shit I'd like him at Spurs. Santa Cruz too.

[Wiganer]

What's the chances of Redknapp being the next England manager. They where pushing that on TalkSport but didn't think he'd get the job because the FA would be 'scared' of him :wtf:

[Simon]

It was last season yeah. He is absolutely crazy, not in an arsehole genius kind of way just like a proper loon. He has a fish tank in his house that can be controlled remotely. I mean what possible need can there be for that? Just get your neighbours round if you're on holiday you bellend.

[son_of_foley]

He doesn't want them to find the bodies.

[Murphy]

:cool:

[The Rosk]

Ireland taking over from Stanley Petrov would be alright for me. Ireland and Milner in the middle with Delph coming in whenever I tell him to. Sidwell can die.

[Gary J]

Ahaha, you can imagine the city board talking about jewel...

"Well, maybe we got it all wrong with a fancy foreign manager... that Hodgson is doing well, Redknapp is the first English manager since Robson to qualify for the CL... and McClaren is doing well too... maybe we need an English manager. Lads, get Jewel on the phone.".

McClaren helped Twente qualify for the champs league before Spurs clinched fourth. So that makes Harry Redknapp the 2nd English manager since Bobby Robson to qualify for the CL.

[Alf]

McClaren helped Twente qualify for the champs league before Spurs clinched fourth. So that makes Harry Redknapp the 2nd English manager since Bobby Robson to qualify for the CL.

I meant in the prem.

[Gary J]

Fair enough. Wasn't trying to downplay the achievement of qualify or anything.

[Murphy]

I THINK YOU WERE GARY J! :squint:

[Gary J]

If anything i was trying to downplay Redknapps achievement as Spurs only had 2 pts and were bottom when he arrived.

[Simon]

If I have to hear that stat one more time I am going to kill Redknapp, then myself, then everyone else in the world.

[Gary J]

I'm sure Redknapp will mention it a fair few times before your CL games.

[turdpower]

City are thick. They're "buying class", but why are the other clubs selling that class? Rocket science.

Same reason United sold Ronaldo. They're paying over the odds. They aren't necessarily buying shit players, just because a club is willing to sell them.

[Alf]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/NickTheBiz/ibra-pop.jpg

...discuss...

[BBF]

Thats not Pique is it?

Zlatan could pass as a bender quite easily.

[Second City Saint]

Pique's probably going to humble his ass for sucking.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Are you actually saying you wouldn't celebrate, or that the villa players wouldn't celebrate, it if Villa done it?

Why lie may? Why lie?

To be honest mate, I thought posting this:


(it should have been us :( )

2 minutes after would make it really, really obvious that I'm quite jealous and would almost certainly have celebrated us doing it equally as heartily.

It's still gay though, and a rather damning indictment of modern football.

[Alf]

To be honest mate, I thought posting this:



2 minutes after would make it really, really obvious that I'm quite jealous and would almost certainly have celebrated us doing it equally as heartily.

It's still gay though, and a rather damning indictment of modern football.

Sorry 1 Pabby, I didn't see your second post.

[Murphy]

I'll be on my honeymoon when we play the 2nd leg. :panic:

[Lazurus]

I'll be on my honeymoon when we play the 2nd leg. :panic:

What?

[Chris Scott]

Same reason United sold Ronaldo. They're paying over the odds. They aren't necessarily buying shit players, just because a club is willing to sell them.

Exactly, I'm sure if City offer us £70m for Torres we will accept right away.

[Murphy]

What?

Assuming we finish 4th, 2nd leg will be on August 24th/25th.

You have the same problem?

[Friday]

The good thing for Spurs fans is that if they qualify for the champions league, they will surely be seeded in the bottom group. So they should get a really glamorous group. Yeah, it will be hard, but I am sure that you want some big matches. Especially since it might be a while before you are back in it. Hopefully Rangers get Spurs. It would be nice to have an English side in Europe where we would actually have a chance at Ibrox.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Spurs would mutilate Celtic or Rangers at this point.

[Friday]

Spurs would mutilate Celtic or Rangers at this point.

I know that not a single Rangers player would get in the Spurs side, but I would think that we would have a decent chance at home. Last year was an utter disaster, but we generally have a good home record in the champions league.

[Matt E]

Spurs might be pot 3, coefficients take into account the past 4 or 5 years and they've been in Europe more often than not in that time.

[Lazurus]

We have a better coefficient than Ajax.

[turdpower]

Sky showed a list of your possible qualifying opponents. It could be very tough.

[Matt E]

Spurs might have an outside chance of creeping into pot 2 if they got a bit of luck with a couple of bigger sides being knocked out/not qualifying, if this is up to date - http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2010.html

[Winkle van Tinkle]

Spurs are in a better position than Everton to cope I think. Here's hoping they finish 3rd, just to piss Inter Minan off.

I’LL BE SOOOOO BLOOOOODY MAAAAADD ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHJHG1HKGL1G2JHL1!!!!

[JIJ]

Finishing 4th in this day and age is a fantastic achievement for a club like Spurs.

Arguing that it's pathetic is pointless. I seem to remember Beefy celebrating Southend getting in the play offs a few years back...they finished even lower did they not? 6th was it? Why try and take this away from the Spurs fans let them enjoy it

[Beefy]

You're completely missing the point. There's nothing wrong with Spurs fans celebrating what is a fantastic achievement. But 20 years ago finishing fourth wouldn't have meant what it does now and, in my opinion, it's bad for the game that a big Club like Spurs have been reduced to celebrating failing to win, or even challenge for, the title.

It's all down to the Champions League which has conditioned people to think of 4th as a victory and which has created a situation where the same four Clubs finish top four every year and receive so much extra income for doing so that they have to perform terribly to not finish top four next season. Spurs breaking through that cartel and taking fourth is a great achievement but it's sad in many ways that it is a great achievement.

[JIJ]

I'm not disagreeing with you, noone is. But this debate has been covered millions of times on here I don't see why you suddenly felt the need to bring it up again. It just came across as you trying to dampen the Spurs fans celebrations

[Mik]

You're completely missing the point. There's nothing wrong with Spurs fans celebrating what is a fantastic achievement. But 20 years ago finishing fourth wouldn't have meant what it does now and, in my opinion, it's bad for the game that a big Club like Spurs have been reduced to celebrating failing to win, or even challenge for, the title.

It's all down to the Champions League which has conditioned people to think of 4th as a victory and which has created a situation where the same four Clubs finish top four every year and receive so much extra income for doing so that they have to perform terribly to not finish top four next season. Spurs breaking through that cartel and taking fourth is a great achievement but it's sad in many ways that it is a great achievement.

You've explained this perfectly well already once.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I'm not disagreeing with you, noone is. But this debate has been covered millions of times on here I don't see why you suddenly felt the need to bring it up again. It just came across as you trying to dampen the Spurs fans celebrations

Well it was actually me that brought it up you stupid bellend. Sorry for airing my thoughts on a football match in a football discussion thread.

[Second City Saint]

Wonder how KMH will receive this one:
''Carlos Tevez has scored 29 goals and has been the heart and soul of this team,'' he said. ''He has been absolutely phenomenal. ''I have no doubt he's going to be the best player in the world - it is just a matter of time.'' - Khaldoon al-Mubarak

[JIJ]

Well it was actually me that brought it up you stupid bellend. Sorry for airing my thoughts on a football match in a football discussion thread.

Hahaha I don't bother reading your posts much anymore so I'm sorry I made that mistake.

If you're this desperate for attention look elsewhere though I'm done with you.

[Bluemoon]

BlueMoon, you started singing too soon
you thought you'd finish fourth
Carlos Tevez is a cunttttttt

Yawn.

[Andy]

Another stat KMH might be interested in: Tevez has mores combined goals and assists than Rooney in the league this season.

[Bluemoon]

Ireland was mint last season (or was it the one before?). If he wasn't so bat shit I'd like him at Spurs. Santa Cruz too.

It was last season, Ireland was great and scored quite a few goals. This season he's been injured and played less since Bobby Manc came in.

I don't think he will be staying anytime soon which is a shame.

[Bluemoon]

Another stat KMH might be interested in: Tevez has mores combined goals and assists than Rooney in the league this season.

Yeah but he's still shit mate.

[Lazurus]

Rooney has 26 goals and 4 assists so 30.
Tevez has 22 goals and 7 assists which is 29.

Is 29 more or less than 30?

[Matt E]

Another stat KMH might be interested in: Tevez has mores combined goals and assists than Rooney in the league this season.

Link? I can find Rooney with 4 more goals but only 3 less assists. He's also played less minutes.

[Fanny Batter]

Also WHERE'S TEVEZ'S GOLD MEDAL?

[Andy]

I was looking at the ESPN site, which has Tevez at one more I think. Just thought I'd point it out. :D

[Lazurus]

I was looking at the ESPN site, which has Tevez at one more I think. Just thought I'd point it out. :D

The Premier League site says you're a liar or a moron.

I chip in with the claim that you don't know what a 'stat' is.

[Matt E]

Since we're combining the two stats, Messi has 111 goals and assists total these past two years, just ridiculous.

[Second City Saint]

The Premier League site says you're a liar or a moron.

I chip in with the claim that you don't know what a 'stat' is.I believe Andy was adding the 23 league goals to his 6 Carling Cup goals.

[Andy]

I believe Andy was adding the 23 league goals to his 6 Carling Cup goals.

No. This site could be wrong, but here's what I was looking at:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=72490&cc=5739

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=21046&cc=5739

[Lazurus]

I believe Andy was adding the 23 league goals to his 6 Carling Cup goals.

I imagine so or something similarly stupid, as is his style.

Gloating at someone that a player they hate is proven by a stat to be better than a player they love without giving that stat and then once someone looks it up to be proven wrong is pretty damning.

[Lazurus]

No. This site could be wrong, but here's what I was looking at:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=72490&cc=5739

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=21046&cc=5739

They're wrong.

[UK Blue]

Any ideas on how our debt appears to have DOUBLED since the administrator was called in?

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Interest?

It appears that most of your loans came from Wonga.com.

[Gary J]

The extra £18m is mainly from the HMRC claiming another £17m it says it is owed. When the administrators said that the debt was £120m it was said that anyone with any more outstanding debt must declare it now , so then the HMRC added this extra sum , or they would not get a second chance.

[Second City Saint]

Any ideas on how our debt appears to have DOUBLED since the administrator was called in?http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=782675&sec=england&cc=5901

Portsmouth administrator Andrew Andronikou has disclosed to ESPNsoccernet that there were accusations at Thursday's creditors meeting of '£30 million of missing money'.
One of the creditors at the volatile meeting told Soccernet: "There were a few holes in the numbers and one of the 422 creditors present, a professional in insolvency, stood up and talked about how he has studied the accounts and believes that £30 million is unaccounted for. There were promises of an investigation, but you would want to know how this investigation progressed, and who was looking at it."
Andronikou admitted: "There was 15 minutes spent on this one issue alone. There was an accusation that £30 million has been double accounted, and while it came from a professional, an insolvency practitioner, he was making sweeping statements that to me really didn't make much sense.
''He was suggesting that over the past four years he has spotted how the debts were at £60 milliom and then suddenly they were £95 million. Of course his comments will be investigated, but they do not reconcile with what I have seen. But they will be looked into."
In addition, Andronikou admitted that Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC) have hit the club with an unforeseen £14 million tax bill on their players' image rights, and that the Football League Pension Fund have also slapped in a £50 million claim.
Andronikou revealed that the club's debt now stood at £139 million, but that the Football League claim had now also arrived.
"The Football League have lodged a claim for £50 million as a contingent liability, but it must be grossly over stated, it might as well have been £200 million, I am convinced they are just plucking out a number,'' he said. ''As for the Revenue I can confirm that the bill has risen sharply from £17 million to £35 million, this includes a new claim for £14 million on the players' image rights, but they have provided no supplementary documentation. They have applied the players' image rights as earnings and taxed us accordingly but without any back up, so of course we shall be looking at this very carefully.
"The Revenue bill also now includes a £1.5 million surcharge for late payment of Revenue bills."
Andronikou also told Soccernet that the creditors were offered 20p in the pound, and the Revenue had been there, and are clearly objecting. He is trying to reach agreement on a restructured repayment plan which would see the club pay back less than 25% of their debts - though all football-related creditors must be repaid in full - through a Company Voluntary Arrangement.
Pompey's creditors include the HMRC as well as former owner Alexandre Gaydamak, and obtaining a CVA requires a 75% approval. It is thought the taxman will vote against any reduced repayment.
The rise follows charges from HMRC, which is owed some £17.1 million in tax and National Insurance contributions. Current owner Balram Chainrai has an outstanding £14.2 million loan, which must also be repaid in full.
Portsmouth owe £17 million in transfer fees, while current and former players are short around £5 million in bonuses, wages and image rights payments.

[UK Blue]

Andronikou is so blatantly corrupt it's ridiculous. I would've loved someone independent to have been put in charge to find out what's really going on. He just promises investigations and then you never hear anything afterwards.

The unforeseen £14 million tax bill on players' image rights sounds dodgy to me. How much would we have actually paid out on image rights in total? Seems like a nice way of doubling what's owed to HMRC, effectively doubling a 20p CVA to 40p in their case alone. Maybe that was the demand for agreeing to the CVA. Pfft who knows.

[jesus sucks]

word up here that Benitez has resigned and has cancelled the friday pre-match press conference. almost seems to good to be true though after putting up with him this extra 3 seasons where he clearly has not been up to the job in both managerial ability and mental state.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Wonder how KMH will receive this one: - Khaldoon al-Mubarak

Well, if the good old Khaldoon says it then it must be true :rolleyes: Basically, Tevez is a certainty to leave over the summer, this fella is just trying to raise his transfer fee. He isn't going to come out and say "Tevez had a decent purple patch where the ball hit him a few ties and went in, but has since proven himself to be no better than what we already had". That would be a silly thing to do financially.


Another stat KMH might be interested in: Tevez has mores combined goals and assists than Rooney in the league this season.

That isn't true. Nice try, though.

[Lazurus]

word up here that Benitez has resigned and has cancelled the friday pre-match press conference. almost seems to good to be true though after putting up with him this extra 3 seasons where he clearly has not been up to the job in both managerial ability and mental state.

I don't know what you're worried about mate; he's guaranteed you Champions League football next season. Now the fun bit is just watching to see how he gets you that. Maybe he's going to buy you all a season ticket to Spurs.

[Lazurus]

That isn't true. Nice try, though.

He knows it isn't true. Just making things up like the punk that he is.

[Simon]

Barry out of the World Cup?

[Alf]

"On form alone King is the best centre back England have, there is no one near him, except perhaps Dawson"

Lawro quote... he is such a fucking fairweather pundit. He's never, ever, had a nice word to say about us, and suddenly he's bum-licking. God I hate that thatch haired cunt burger.

Bale signed a new contract. Good good.

[The Rosk]

Aston Villa defender Wilfred Bouma has been told he is free to leave the club on a free transfer in the summer.

Bouma, 31, has been out of action since dislocating his ankle in an Intertoto Cup tie against Danish side Odense at Villa Park in July 2008.

Villa manager Martin O'Neill told the club website: "He has been really unfortunate to be sidelined.

"I have the utmost regard for him and he has been a totally positive influence throughout my time here."

O'Neill continued: "He has fought back strongly to get himself fit again and he really wants to get back to the level of which he is undoubtedly still capable, so he wants to take this opportunity to do that and I wish him only the best."

The Netherlands international moved to Villa in August 2005 from PSV Eindhoven and made 90 appearances for the club, scoring one goal.

His contract at Villa Park was due to expire in June.

:.

Fucking surreal. He gets injured two years ago. He finally gets back to fitness and we release him. WHAT.

[BBF]

If you had released him earlier you would've had to pay him?

Thats the only reason I guess.

[Bluemoon]

Barry out of the World Cup?

He won't be missed if he is, he offers England nothing really.

[Alf]

Like Gerrard... OH WHAT?

[Bluemoon]

Nah more like Lampard.

[The Rosk]

He won't be missed if he is, he offers England nothing really.


Like Gerrard... OH WHAT?


Nah more like Lampard.

Sorry, but Barry has been one of the reasons why England have played so well under Capello. The midfield has always been an issue and, no matter what you think of him as a Man City player, he has done well for England. I think in fact he has played the most minutes under Capello. Lampard and Barry have played much, much better and offered England so much more than Gerrard has. So you are wrong.

I am not saying he is irreplaceable, but then I don't think anyone is aside from Rooney in the England team.

[Lazurus]

Hopefully with Barry out that will mean Jenas gets the spot. :yes:

[Simon]

Oh God could you imagine.

[Bluemoon]

Sorry, but Barry has been one of the reasons why England have played so well under Capello. The midfield has always been an issue and, no matter what you think of him as a Man City player, he has done well for England. I think in fact he has played the most minutes under Capello. Lampard and Barry have played much, much better and offered England so much more than Gerrard has. So you are wrong.

I am not saying he is irreplaceable, but then I don't think anyone is aside from Rooney in the England team.

Don't agree, I don't care how well he has played for England recently. If he misses the WC we still have better players to put in. That's my point.

Gerrard when he shit will still offer more than Barry who been shit this season.

[The Rosk]

I really don't understand your logic. You "don't care" how well he has played for England?

Let me put it simply for you.

Capello clearly sees Barry as an important member of his team, hence why he has played him more than any other player. Barry has made the midfield work, an area which has been under constant scrutiny for years and years and years, the Gerrard/Lampard saga, who the hell to put on the left wing, Scholes retiring etc, etc, etc.

It isn't always about who is the "best player". Hence why Heskey has played in loads of games while Defoe has been benched. It is what is good for the team. How you still can't get that through your thick skull is beyond me.

[Lagom]

I'd love to see Capello just go mental and try out a 4-6-0 for the World Cup, with Gerrard and Rooney just pissing around as they want just in front of the midfield.

Either he'd strike it lucky and win the whole thing, or it would crumble in the first match and he'd be burnt at the stake by the Daily Mail, i would wager the former.

[BBF]

Barry is important. Him, Hargreaves and, to a lesser extent, Carrick all are if they play. They let Lampard and Gerrard both do what they do best and get forward without one of them having to hold back (something which was often moaned about when Gerrard and Lampard were played as a middle two).

He might not be the most exciting member of the squad but his input in invaluable, in my opinion.

[The Rosk]

Hargreaves :lol: seriously now mate can people just calm down with that shit.

[BBF]

Maybe not Hargreaves now but certainly a few years ago he was as important as Barry is now.

[son_of_foley]

It's the formation which allows that with Gerrard shifted across onto the left rather than in the same areas as Lampard. It's barrys role that is important more so than his individual contributions

[Andy]

Get Craig Eastmond in there.

[The Rosk]

No shut up lads let's just play

Cole - Gerrard - Lampard - right winger

that will be fine. OH WAIT

[BBF]

The 30 man provisional squad is announced on Tuesday. Who would your 30 be?

[son_of_foley]

Lampard has matured as a central midfielder in the past few years. Not sure Gerrard has. If they were forced back into the centre it would probably work a bit better now that Lampard would hold his runs if needed.

[The Rosk]

I really doubt that SOF. No way could Lampard and Gerrard work, even now. Frank still plays far too forward. We need Barry in there and I genuinely think we'll be a bit fucked without him. Carrick isn't the same player. Better in some areas but not as good for England.

[RFF Champ]

Is Wes Brown fit yet? Capello must have G Nev lined up as a replacement.

[son_of_foley]

It wouldn't work as a cohesive partnership but they would probably function a bit better than it did. The cost being sacrificing Lampards effectiveness of getting into the box.

If Barry is out you drop Parker or Huddlestone in. Possibly Carrick. First choice being Parker as he will make tackles and lots of them.

[RFF Champ]

Parker tends to drift a lot and doesn't stay back as much is often perceived. I'm not sure he'd have as much discipline as Barry does.

[Simon]

The 30 man provisional squad is announced on Tuesday. Who would your 30 be?

Goalkeepers:
Rob Green
David James
Joe Hart

Defenders:
Ashley Cole
Stephen Warnock
Glen Johnson
Wes Brown (Gary Neville if Brown doesn't make it)
Phil Jagielka
Rio Ferdinand
John Terry
Ledley King
Michael Dawson
Matthew Upson

Midfielders:
Steven Gerrard
Joe Cole
Aaron Lennon
Theo Walcott
Frank Lampard
Scott Parker
James Milner
Tom Huddlestone
Adam Johnson
Ashley Young

Strikers:
Wayne Rooney
Emile Heskey
Jermain Defoe
Peter Crouch
Darren Bent
Gabby Agbonlahor
Carlton Cole

[Simon]

If Barry is out, surely Milner would be the logical choice to replace him?

[Andy]

Is anyone else worried that Rob Green looks likely to be first choice? I don't rate him at all. Think we should just bite the bullet and make Hart first choice.

[BBF]

If Gazza Bazza is fit who would you drop there, Si? Parker?

[UK Blue]

In all seriousness, O'Hara shouldn't be too far away from the squad after the season he's had. He wouldn't let anyone down. In fact, I'm sure the country would collectively jizz over him if he were to play.

[The Rosk]

No Baines is harsh.

Huddlestone wouldn't work either lads. Barry is a left-footed clever fouling bastard.

[son_of_foley]

Parker tends to drift a lot and doesn't stay back as much is often perceived. I'm not sure he'd have as much discipline as Barry does.

I think he's capable of it. Him and Noble seem to take it in turns.

[Andy]

Milner or Gerrard wouldn't work with Lampard. You always stifle one's impact if you do that. Milner isn't experienced or a good enough all-round footballer to play as a defensive midfielder at international level.

[UK Blue]

And David James should obviously be the number one goalie.

[RFF Champ]

Is anyone else worried that Rob Green looks likely to be first choice? I don't rate him at all. Think we should just bite the bullet and make Hart first choice.

I worry about him. He's not been in the best club form whereas James seems to be doing alright so perhaps he'll get a run in the friendlies. I wouldn't mind Hart just because he seems like an arrogant person who wouldn't care about yelling at Terry and co.

[Lazurus]

Whilst I think we all know that Capello wants to start with Green there's no way in hell he's in the top 3 English keepers and he really shouldn't be going.

James as first choice, Hart as the man in waiting and Robinson to bring a mix of experience and ability.

[The Rosk]

David James will and should be No.1.

I also think Joe Cole is in with a shout of missing out. He's done fuck all this season thanks to injury and Capello said not that long ago that he "was not the player he once knew".

[Simon]

I'd have either James or Hart over Green. Ol' Reliable and the young pretender, they're both better.

I'd probably play Milner or Parker if Barry was out. It will probably be Carrick though.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Scott Parker really shitted up his career with a couple of poorly-chosen moves to Chelsea and Newcastle. I think he's a very good player and has had a good season too, his credentials in terms of the sides he has played for just don't stack up however and he's associated with the disasterous performance in Croatia in Euro 2008 qualifiers. I'd have him ahead of Barry, Hargreaves or Carrick in any team.

[Simon]

David James will and should be No.1.

You reckon he will be? Can't see it.

[RFF Champ]

Scott Parker really shitted up his career with a couple of poorly-chosen moves to Chelsea and Newcastle. I think he's a very good player and has had a good season too, his credentials in terms of the sides he has played for just don't stack up however and he's associated with the disasterous performance in Croatia in Euro 2008 qualifiers. I'd have him ahead of Barry, Hargreaves or Carrick in any team.

Why was moving to Newcastle a poor move? He played every week and was captain in a team that was competing in Europe. I can't see where he would have fitted into a team above that at the time.

He wasn't treated well when he left but he was king of the manor while he was there.

[Bluemoon]

I really don't understand your logic. You "don't care" how well he has played for England?

Let me put it simply for you.

Capello clearly sees Barry as an important member of his team, hence why he has played him more than any other player. Barry has made the midfield work, an area which has been under constant scrutiny for years and years and years, the Gerrard/Lampard saga, who the hell to put on the left wing, Scholes retiring etc, etc, etc.

It isn't always about who is the "best player". Hence why Heskey has played in loads of games while Defoe has been benched. It is what is good for the team. How you still can't get that through your thick skull is beyond me.

Fucks sake you ain't a clue have you? Your a pointless footy poster and I give up with you.

I advise you to follow American sports or something you ain't got a clue about footy. Now move along, let it go and disappear.

[Simon]

No BlueMoon, he is absolutely right and you are talking rubbish.

[BBF]

I'd be tempted to take 4 goalies in the 30 man squad just to keep them all guessing and not allow them to coast it. Would probably mean sacrificing a defender though.

GK:
Hart
Green
James
Robinson

DF:
Johnson
Neville
Terry
Ferdinand
King
Dawson
Cole
Baines
Upson

MF:
Lennon
Walcott
Gerrard
Barry (Carrick)
Lampard
Milner
Young
Johnson
Cole
Huddlestone

ST:
Rooney
Heskey
Agbonlahor
Bent
Crouch
Defoe
Cole

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Why was moving to Newcastle a poor move? He played every week and was captain in a team that was competing in Europe. I can't see where he would have fitted into a team above that at the time.

He wasn't treated well when he left but he was king of the manor while he was there.

Going to Newcastle is just a bad career move in general. It lowers a player's credibility immensely.

[Simon]

Why was moving to Newcastle a poor move? He played every week and was captain in a team that was competing in Europe. I can't see where he would have fitted into a team above that at the time.

He wasn't treated well when he left but he was king of the manor while he was there.

Because Newcastle are a circus full of shite.

[Andy]

Jagielka or Dawson?

[Alf]

Fucks sake you ain't a clue have you? Your a pointless footy poster and I give up with you.

I advise you to follow American sports or something you ain't got a clue about footy. Now move along, let it go and disappear.

What's wrong with you?

He's merely trying to engage you in a debate. You've said Barry doesn't do anything for England, Rosk has said he thinks the opposite is true.

You are coming across as an absolute cretin here. And you are the one coming across as if you don't have a clue. If you freak out every time someone challenges your opinion then you are the one who should fuck off. This is a football thread on a forum. Football discussion is implied.

[The Rosk]

As much as we can say Parker is a good player, there's no way whatsoever he will play in place of Barry. Completely different players. I reckon he must have played a backheel or two and Cappy got a few .mpegs from Brennino on a floppy disc. BUT HIS COCK WASN'T FLOPPY AFTER WATCHING THEM

[The Rosk]

Fucks sake you ain't a clue have you? Your a pointless footy poster and I give up with you.

I advise you to follow American sports or something you ain't got a clue about footy. Now move along, let it go and disappear.


No BlueMoon, he is absolutely right and you are talking rubbish.


What's wrong with you?

He's merely trying to engage you in a debate. You've said Barry doesn't do anything for England, Rosk has said he thinks the opposite is true.

You are coming across as an absolute cretin here. And you are the one coming across as if you don't have a clue. If you freak out every time someone challenges your opinion then you are the one who should fuck off. This is a football thread on a forum. Football discussion is implied.

:lol:

unbelievable...

[Simon]

Isn't the point that Barry might miss it?

[RFF Champ]

Going to Newcastle is just a bad career move in general. It lowers a player's credibility immensely.

Parker was consistently linked with moves to bigger clubs while at Newcastle but he chose to leave for West Ham in search of his big wage packet. Being at Newcastle did no harm to his credibility whatsoever.

[The Rosk]

Going to Newcastle is just a bad career move in general. It lowers a player's credibility immensely.

It almost killed Milner's career when he wasn't being played. Good job someone saw sense.

[Alf]

:lol:

unbelievable...

Hang on... what have I missed here...

[The Rosk]

Isn't the point that Barry might miss it?

Yes, but I don't think Parker can fulfil the role that Barry has been playing for England. For starters he is a hell of a lot more forward-thinking. Goes on little runs, scampers about, doing keepy-ups in his back garden then looking silently at the camera, that sort of thing.

[The Rosk]

Hang on... what have I missed here...

Nothing, I'm laughing in agreement with you and Simon.

[RFF Champ]

It almost killed Milner's career when he wasn't being played. Good job someone saw sense.

knob.

Keegan knew what was what with Milner and was ready to make him the best.


Keegan believes Milner’s phenomenal work-rate and fitness level – which the manager rates as among the best that he has encountered in his managerial career – makes him an ideal foil for a holding player like Nicky Butt.

“I know James can play on the right but he’s got so much energy – he’s the fittest player at this football club and one of the fittest football players I’ve ever seen when I played or since I’ve been in management,” said Keegan.

“But if you’re out wide you have to wait for the ball to come to you whereas in the centre you have a bit more chance to go and find it.


You are right with Milner though, he was being wasted on the bench which was a big shame because he was as big a player as Parker years earlier.

[Lazurus]

Redknapp is continuing to provide quality interviews to the press..


I honestly think Ledley King, Michael Dawson, Tom Huddlestone, Aaron Lennon, Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, David Bentley and Jermaine Jenas will be in Capello's first squad of 30.
I'd love 2010 to go down as the year Tottenham won the World Cup with the amount of players they could supply for Fabio Capello's crack at the big one.
I started with six England players when Tottenham clinched fourth place at Manchester City. I then brought on Bentley and I still had Jenas sitting on the bench, who has already played 21 times for his country.
That would be by a long way the most players any single club will provide for Capello's search for the ultimate international honour.


And who could argue with him?


R

[The Rosk]

Jenas and Bentley :lol: come on.

[Mik]

Fucks sake you ain't a clue have you? Your a pointless footy poster and I give up with you.

I advise you to follow American sports or something you ain't got a clue about footy. Now move along, let it go and disappear.


Stop throwing hissy fits and wheeling out the whole "You know absolutely nothing about football, I'm the master rahahahfhghghghg!" everytime someone disagrees with you.

[Gary J]

Why was moving to Newcastle a poor move? He played every week and was captain in a team that was competing in Europe. I can't see where he would have fitted into a team above that at the time.

He wasn't treated well when he left but he was king of the manor while he was there.

What did Parker do to piss off the Newcastle fans i remember watching a newcastle game on sky and Parker was getting booed every time he touched the ball. At first it might have just been discontent with the team but they seemed to single him out.

[BBF]

I'm glad to see Gavrilo has really settled in now.

[The Rosk]

3-0.

[Mik]

3-0.


If you'd thrown down a few more of these it might not have been another season of 'nearly competing at the top level, but not quite again' for you.

[Alf]

I'd glad to see Gavrilo has really settled in now.

Cook fuck texas bean bag?

[The Rosk]

If you'd thrown down a few more of these it might not have been another season of 'nearly competing at the top level, but not quite again' for you.

Who do you support mate? Just so I can banter back.

[BBF]

Cook fuck texas bean bag?

I genuinely have no idea what is happening here.

[Mik]

Who do you support mate? Just so I can banter back.

I'm more of a rugby fan.

[Alf]

Who do you support mate? Just so I can banter back.

Boro I think. They hate Newcastle don't they?

[RFF Champ]

What did Parker do to piss off the Newcastle fans i remember watching a newcastle game on sky and Parker was getting booed every time he touched the ball. At first it might have just been discontent with the team but they seemed to single him out.

It was ridiculous. He hadn't had a great season and was being outshone by Nicky Butt. Most fans didn't like him as captain either because he wasn't very vocal. I disagreed because he always gave 100% and lead by example.

Everytime I speak to fans about Parker (now and then) most have little but good things to say so I don't know where the booboys came from really.

I think it came from his poor performances and the team looked better without him. He had a very inconsistent season particularly compared to the one before. I think he was just picked on by some of the more fickle fans.

Had he stuck around I'm sure he would have shown what he did the season before but alas he was replaced by Joey Barton.

[BBF]

I genuinely have no idea what is happening here.

Uh. I see. I'm going to have to start proof reading my posts. My englished wordings have been awful lately.

[Chris Scott]

Jesus sucks or Bluemoon, any of you heard about really strong rumours City are calling a press conference about signing Torres? The City fans at work are on about it and Ive had a few texts about it.

[Brennino]

As much as we can say Parker is a good player, there's no way whatsoever he will play in place of Barry. Completely different players. I reckon he must have played a backheel or two and Cappy got a few .mpegs from Brennino on a floppy disc. BUT HIS COCK WASN'T FLOPPY AFTER WATCHING THEM

The fuck?

Why am I being tarred with the backhell.mpg brush?

You fucking toilet.

[Gary J]

If Manchester United don't get enough points to win the league on sunday they should form a coalition with Portsmouth.

[Murphy]

Haha.

[Murphy]

The Guardian says that Spurs are likely to be seeded for the CL qualifier. I thought it wasn't seeded anymore?

The paper is also linking us with Carrick and Bellamy. As well as Cole, of course.

[Simon]

I'd love us to sign Bellarz. Carrick can piss off though, fucking Vinnie Sideways wasteman.

[Lazurus]

I can't find any information about seeding the qualifiers.

It's the 15 teams who finished 2nd/3rd/4th, depending on nation, in a two round tournament with the 10 teams from the lowest ranking nations playing each other over two legs and then the 5 winners and the 5 teams from the higest ranking nations are all mixed up and drawn against one another.

I'm not sure how you'd further seed that. It would seem amazingly unfair for the teams from the smaller nations.

[Red Dog]

Whilst I haven't been following closely the fascinating arguments between Blue Moon and Rosk - why do people always have to stick their oar in and back the Rosk up - I am pretty sure he is capable of speaking for himself.

I am referring to Alf and this mysterious Sunderland supporting Lost fan Gavrilo Princip.

Just leave them too it lads.

[Bluemoon]

What's wrong with you?

He's merely trying to engage you in a debate. You've said Barry doesn't do anything for England, Rosk has said he thinks the opposite is true.

You are coming across as an absolute cretin here. And you are the one coming across as if you don't have a clue. If you freak out every time someone challenges your opinion then you are the one who should fuck off. This is a football thread on a forum. Football discussion is implied.

Hold on a minute, I'm all for a civil debate, but once again rosk goes and flames and tries to think he is better than you because I DON'T agree with him or see his way.


I really don't understand your logic. You "don't care" how well he has played for England?

Let me put it simply for you.

Capello clearly sees Barry as an important member of his team, hence why he has played him more than any other player. Barry has made the midfield work, an area which has been under constant scrutiny for years and years and years, the Gerrard/Lampard saga, who the hell to put on the left wing, Scholes retiring etc, etc, etc.

It isn't always about who is the "best player". Hence why Heskey has played in loads of games while Defoe has been benched. It is what is good for the team. How you still can't get that through your thick skull is beyond me.

Like I said in our Milner/Gerrard debate it's either his way and like it, or I will say stupid shit like he did there and its certainly not the first time he has done.

So I basically gave him some back and told him to fuck off I'm done debating and if you don't like it or anyone else doesn't, then my heart bleeds...really. If he wants to flame and insult I'm all for it if that's all he wants to do but discuss footy then nope.

Why you getting involved anyway? Are you his shit stabbing partner or something....OH WAIT

[Bluemoon]

Whilst I haven't been following closely the fascinating arguments between Blue Moon and Rosk - why do people always have to stick their oar in and back the Rosk up - I am pretty sure he is capable of speaking for himself.

I am referring to Alf and this mysterious Sunderland supporting Lost fan Gavrilo Princip.

Just leave them too it lads.

:yes:

[Bluemoon]

No BlueMoon, he is absolutely right and you are talking rubbish.

So once again because I don't agree, I'm talking rubbish.

Well in my opinion I don't think we will miss Barry as we have good enough players to replace him. Carrick can do his job, Gerrard can sit deep. Basically it's not the end just because Barry might be out.

[Bluemoon]

Stop throwing hissy fits and wheeling out the whole "You know absolutely nothing about football, I'm the master rahahahfhghghghg!" everytime someone disagrees with you.

hahahahahahaha

You just summed a certain someone up on here, well in you puppet.

[Simon]

I can't find any information about seeding the qualifiers.

It's the 15 teams who finished 2nd/3rd/4th, depending on nation, in a two round tournament with the 10 teams from the lowest ranking nations playing each other over two legs and then the 5 winners and the 5 teams from the higest ranking nations are all mixed up and drawn against one another.

I'm not sure how you'd further seed that. It would seem amazingly unfair for the teams from the smaller nations.

I had a look at our prospective ties and there are only a couple that would truly make me believe we didn't have at least a fighting chance.

Spain: Sevilla/Mallorca
Italy: Sampdoria/Palermo/Milan
Germany: Werder Bremen/Leverkusen
France: Lille/Auxerre/Lyon/Montpellier/Bordeaux

Then from the rest of Europe, the sides to avoid would be Zenit, Dinamo Kiev and Ajax, possibly Olympiacos as well.

Sevilla, Milan and Lyon are the ones we would obviously want to avoid, and the rest are still tough draws but then again I think a lot of those teams would consider us a tough draw.

[Simon]

So once again because I don't agree, I'm talking rubbish.

Well in my opinion I don't think we will miss Barry as we have good enough players to replace him. Carrick can do his job, Gerrard can sit deep. Basically it's not the end just because Barry might be out.
No your side of the debate is not rubbish, but refusing to debate and implying you are automatically right because the other person knows nothing about football is rubbish.

[BBF]

You are counting out Bremen as bit easy there, imo. I think they'd be just as tough as Sevilla, Milan or Lyon.

[Bluemoon]

No your side of the debate is not rubbish, but refusing to debate and implying you are automatically right because the other person knows nothing about football is rubbish.

I have made it quite clear now why I didn't debate.

Also I wouldnt say I was coming off as I was automatically right, I was flaming him back.

Sorry if I did not make my intentions clearer.

[Simon]

You are counting out Bremen as bit easy there, imo. I think they'd be just as tough as Sevilla, Milan or Lyon.

Yeah I'm not saying they would be easy or anything, but I think if you were asked for some clubs you really wanted to avoid it would be those three I mentioned. Anyone else I would think we were in with a decent chance. That's not to say any of those would whitewash us either, I'm sure we'd make a decent fist of it. I can imagine the laughter if we get knocked out in the qualifiers though :(

[BBF]

NO SIMON YOU ARE TALKING SHITY T£OK{KQK{IO

So I would rate Bremen in the same catergory as the three others, whilst you wouldn't. I'm glad we came to these individual opinions, whilst both making our points clear to the other. You slag.

[Slare]

I had a look at our prospective ties and there are only a couple that would truly make me believe we didn't have at least a fighting chance.

Spain: Sevilla/Mallorca
Italy: Sampdoria/Palermo/Milan
Germany: Werder Bremen/Leverkusen
France: Lille/Auxerre/Lyon/Montpellier/Bordeaux

Then from the rest of Europe, the sides to avoid would be Zenit, Dinamo Kiev and Ajax, possibly Olympiacos as well.

Sevilla, Milan and Lyon are the ones we would obviously want to avoid, and the rest are still tough draws but then again I think a lot of those teams would consider us a tough draw.

You could get Celtic too mate. Demolished.

[Chris Scott]

Jesus sucks or Bluemoon, any of you heard about really strong rumours City are calling a press conference about signing Torres? The City fans at work are on about it and Ive had a few texts about it.

Anything Bluemoon?

[Simon]

You could get Celtic too mate. Demolished.

Celtic are a joke, as you presumably know. Hopefully Celtic will have found a way to fund a permanent move for Robbie Keane by then so that him not playing Champions' League football is all the more painful for that gypo little Tallaght gimp.

[Slare]

If he stays hes an Idiot. I would be embarrassed if I was a player of Keanes quality associated with that team. So you can probably welcome him back in the summer.

[Simon]

He won't play for us again I'm sure. Probably Sunderland will buy him.

[RFF Champ]

A lot of Wolves fans think that they may be able to attract him. He started there and he probably gets on with Doyle and McCarthy.

[Andy]

Dynamo Kiev or Olympiakos would be great ties, they're both fucking shit.

[Simon]

Probably good news that you're buying Kiev's centre back then.

[Andy]

He's the new Tommy V mate.

Who?

[Simon]

Pape Diakhate or something? I think he is on loan in France, I just read the other day you were gonna throw down £10m for him.

[Simon]

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Arsenal-set-to-sign-Senegal-defender-Pape-Diakhate/7559/

[RFF Champ]

Yeah that one was in the mirror.

[Andy]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Pape_Diakhat%C3%A9.jpg

He looks like the love-child of Sol Campbell and Linvoy Primus.

[Murphy]

He looks like he should play for Arsenal, to be fair. Are you sure he doesn't already? Could save you some money, like.

[BBF]

Arsene Wenger loves his blacks, doesn't he?

[Simon]

More the mixies to be fair.

[Second City Saint]

And the young boys.

[Simon]

There's no need for that.

[Lazurus]

There's no need for that.

Doesn't seem to stop him though.

[Simon]

Fnyar fnyar fnyar

[Alf]

He's really good on FOOTYMAN.

[Alf]

Why you getting involved anyway? Are you his shit stabbing partner or something....OH WAIT

THAT WAS BRILLIANT MATE HA HA HA HA

[Mik]

hahahahahahaha

You just summed a certain someone up on here, well in you puppet.


Yes. Mostly you. And also The Rosk too. Simply happened that you were the most recent example of it. I stated an equal displeasure of the shitty way the two of you argued just yesterday, so you cant exactly say that I hold him exempt.

The fact is that the two of you squabble like a pair of prize cunts, each refusing to accept any ground on the other's opinions and consequently using any available opportunity to mock each other and deride the other's football knowledge in the most ridiculous way. I am fairly sure that I'm not the only one who thinks its a waste of everyone's time and utterly inanely boring as fuck.

[BBF]

Gavrilo with the fucking HUGE uppercut there. BOOOOM.

[Simon]

Everyone does it sometimes. I'm not afraid to say that I occasionally lose myself for a brief moment when Andy is being a massive twat. It never lasts though, and I always edit my thoughts to their usual excellent standard before I submit my post.

[Simon]

Gavrilo with the fucking HUGE uppercut there. BOOOOM.

http://www.street.fighter.free.fr/sagat/tigeruppercut_b.jpg

[Mik]

Everyone does it sometimes. I'm not afraid to say that I occasionally lose myself for a brief moment when Andy is being a massive twat. It never lasts though, and I always edit my thoughts to their usual excellent standard before I submit my post.


It seems somehow that your computer generally resorts your post back to the pre-edited state before submitting them. You might want to get that looked at.

[Simon]

It seems somehow that your computer generally resorts your post back to the pre-edited state before submitting them. You might want to get that looked at.

http://forums.gotwoot.net/gallery/files/8/5/5/0/street_fighter_blanka.jpg

:(

[Slare]

Its alright simon, hes only taking the mik.

[Murphy]

Haha. :D

[Andy]

ahaha :lol:

[Slare]

thats called comedy simon you humourless twat.

[Chris Scott]

Yes. Mostly you. And also The Rosk too. Simply happened that you were the most recent example of it. I stated an equal displeasure of the shitty way the two of you argued just yesterday, so you cant exactly say that I hold him exempt.

The fact is that the two of you squabble like a pair of prize cunts, each refusing to accept any ground on the other's opinions and consequently using any available opportunity to mock each other and deride the other's football knowledge in the most ridiculous way. I am fairly sure that I'm not the only one who thinks its a waste of everyone's time and utterly inanely boring as fuck.

You probably just said what's right about the happenings between rosk/bluemoon and the debates/arguements/mocking they've been doing

Some find it boring, some find it funny(I do) but unless a mod thinks things are getting out of line and they should just ignore each other.

[Chris Scott]

Is Gavrilo Princip AKA Mik?

[Slare]

I fucking hope so, otherwise that was a horribly misjudged joke.

[Chris Scott]

Well yeah, I didn't get onto it until second time around sorry slare.

[Alf]

Harry is manager of the season lads.