***Official*** English Football Discussion Thread

[Lazurus]

I'm pretty sure the ball went straight to Ferdinand's feet.

You're pretty wrong. It went past them all albeit in the right direction.

edit

Ahh the video's above; past all of them standing where the kick's from and Evans picked it up 10 yeards later.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

That has fuck all to do with this case, though.

Yeah I know. It means I don't really care if he was hard done by though :D

[Lazurus]

First weekend I've been pissed off at football in about two years, United losing obviously meant we had a great chance to close the gap, to cunt it up is immensley gutting, and to them as well.



'Hopefully for the good of football he is' :lol:

You going to give me the official minutes of them :hyper:

Who was worse? Because Quaresma used to be a diving cunt but I'm yet to notice him doing one for us, Ballack loves the occasional dive, and the less said for Drogba the better. And I'm not taking the piss, I'm genuinely interested, I hate our players diving.

I remember five from Drogba and one from Ballack. MOTD showed none of them but Sky showed most, if not all.

I don't have the full match but I'll try and give you the times when I watch it again tomorrow,

[Hulkamaniac]

At the end of the day, it went twice as far as it needed to be thrown at even at that point Evans (a top class defender) failed to control the ball, demonstrating to me that Rooney was lashing it in frustration rather than passing it back, thus it was a fair yellow card for dissent and petulent behaviour.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

You're pretty wrong. It went past them all albeit in the right direction.

Nah it went past the ref to Evan's feet.

This is a bit of a pointless argument. You can say he was just trying to restart the game quicker; the counter argument to that is that there was no United playing standing where the kick was to be taken from, and also the way he chucked it could be percieved as a show of dissent.

So it's up to the ref, and I don't think he can be slaughtered for seeing it either way really. Given Ronaldo's behaviour in the game it's unsurprising he saw it the way he did.

[Andy]

No. Evans was a good 20 yards behind the spot the ball should've gone back to. It flew past the ref, who was exactly where the ball should have gone. It was excellent refereeing and a clear show of dissent and petulance from Rooney.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Yeah I know. It means I don't really care if he was hard done by though :D

You lost me £10, you bastard.

2-0, bollocks. Last time I put money on Villa :mad: :D

[Keano's Magic Hat]

No. Evans was a good 20 yards behind the spot the ball should've gone back to. It flew past the ref, who was excactly where the ball should have gone. It was excellent refereeing and a clear show of dissent and petulance from Rooney.

Not true. He meant it for Evans.

If he meant it to hit the ref, why the bounce?

[Andy]

In that case he's just a retard.

[Lazurus]

If Evans isn't there; and he's not throwing it for Evans, it would go back tothe keeper. Of course it's dissent.

[Lazurus]

Not true. He meant it for Evans.

:lol::lol::lol:

Pull the other one mate.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

At the end of the day, it went twice as far as it needed to be thrown at even at that point Evans (a top class defender) failed to control the ball, demonstrating to me that Rooney was lashing it in frustration rather than passing it back, thus it was a fair yellow card for dissent and petulent behaviour.

He was passing it back to United player in an aggressive manner.

That isn't in doubt, it also isn't a booking.

[Hulkamaniac]

Not true. He meant it for Evans.

If he meant it to hit the ref, why the bounce?

Nobody said that he was throwing it to hit the ref, he was throwing the ball away in anger. That is dissent.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

You lost me £10, you bastard.

2-0, bollocks. Last time I put money on Villa :mad: :D

ahaha, you deserve to lose money for following any of the terrible betting advice on here. Especially mine. Especially when it's Villa related.

I blame MON. The team I posted on here last week would have won 2-0. Guaranteed.

[Torn]

I'm not buying that he meant that ball for Evans one bit.

[Hulkamaniac]

He was passing it back to United player in an aggressive manner.

That isn't in doubt, it also isn't a booking.

It is in doubt because I doubt it, so do many others.

Dont be blinkered to this, if he wanted to throw it back to a team mate, why pick the one who was one of the furthest away from the free-kick spot? He could've rolled it there, he could've thrown it to someone else, he could've ran it there himself. He had a moment of anger and he lauched the ball, its dissent and its a booking.

[Keano's Magic Hat]

ahaha, you deserve to lose money for following any of the terrible betting advice on here. Especially mine. Especially when it's Villa related.

I blame MON. The team I posted on here last week would have won 2-0. Guaranteed.

You and your team have let me down. Bet you go and beat us in the upcoming game, aswell.

[Lazurus]

Doubt's not the word. I know that he didn't mean it for Evans. It's blinking obvious aint it?

[Keano's Magic Hat]

It is in doubt because I doubt it, so do many others.

Dont be blinkered to this, if he wanted to throw it back to a team mate, why pick the one who was one of the furthest away from the free-kick spot? He could've rolled it there, he could've thrown it to someone else, he could've ran it there himself. He had a moment of anger and he lauched the ball, its dissent and its a booking.

It's a well known fact that Rooney quite often goes in goal during training. He's one of the best outfield keepers in England. His distribution with throws is second only to Van der sar at United.

He meant it, trust me.

[Torn]

:rofl:

[Andy]

:rofl::lol::rofl:

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Infact, if you zoom in (and have any lip-reading talent) you can actually see him mouth 'Jonny!'

Case closed :cool:

[Hulkamaniac]

It's a well known fact that Rooney quite often goes in goal during training. He's one of the best outfield keepers in England. His distribution with throws is second only to Van der sar at United.

He meant it, trust me.

Haha, good one.

[Hlebsfall]

A minutes silence for the death of the club secretary? Fuck me you scousers love something to cry about.

[radon]

Oh piss off.

[da_man]

England squad btw:


Goalkeepers: David James (Portsmouth), Robert Green (West Ham United), Ben Foster (Manchester United)

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Joleon Lescott (Everton), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), John Terry (Chelsea), Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United), Glen Johnson (Portsmouth), Matthew Upson (West Ham United), Ledley King (Tottenham Hotspur).

Midfielders: Gareth Barry (Aston Villa), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough), David Beckham (AC Milan), Shaun Wright-Phillips (Manchester City), Aaron Lennon (Tottenham Hotspur), Steven Gerrad (Liverpool).

Forwards: Carlton Cole (West Ham United), Peter Crouch (Portsmouth), Emile Heskey (Aston Villa), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United).

That forward line looks absolutely shocking. And Ledley fucking King? Gonna wheel him onto the plan to South Africa out are we?

[1_Pablo_Angel]

That list of forwards is embarassing. ffs Newcastle PLAY OWEN.

[Hlebsfall]

What happened to Kevin Davies? At least give him a call up.

[Andy]

Why?

[Hlebsfall]

Forwards: Carlton Cole (West Ham United), Peter Crouch (Portsmouth), Emile Heskey (Aston Villa), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United).

Thats why.

[Andy]

Should get Jay Simpson in there.

[Hlebsfall]

I'd have Homer Simpson over Carlton Cole.

[da_man]

I'd have Andy Johnson in there. A better option than picking those three lumps.

[Andy]

Good shout.

[Torn]

I'd have Dangerous Darren over Cole any day. Probably Johnson too.

[da_man]

I tell you what, every game I've seen Matt Duke play he has looked a quality keeper.

[Hulkamaniac]

I'm not usually one to complain about individual refereeing mistakes/decisions, but this year has truly been phenomenal. I've never seen us get a worse rub of luck when it comes to decisions. All season we've had match after match that we've been ruined partially (I cant pretend that our play has always deserved better) by bad decisions going against us. If I went through every game I could probably find glaring faults that he led to us dropping literally 10-20 points. Even the minor stuff like the ridiculous George McCartney sending off for a pull-back on Robinho with the ball in Fulop's hands. I hope that it is a swings and roundabouts things, cos surely next season we'll be awarded a ridiculous penalty every game.

[da_man]

Yeh, that was a ridiculous red card.

And looks like a just jinxed Duke. :$ To be fair, without the fall he probably would have been back up and been able to deal with Watson's effort.

[Hulkamaniac]

No shitting, we've had maybe 9 or 10 equally ridiculous decisions go against us at big times in big games this season.

[MMH]

It's a well known fact that Rooney quite often goes in goal during training. He's one of the best outfield keepers in England. His distribution with throws is second only to Van der sar at United.

He meant it, trust me.

Dunno about his distribution and all that but you are right that he is a decent keeper. Used to do the same at Everton.

[Melv]

Let's not try to hide the fact he blatantly threw it at the ref.

Edit: Bloody hell, the posts I was reading were 2 pages ago.

[Lazurus]

With no ulterior motive here's the form table from the premier league website.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/t_a_gibson/1-35.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/jyarden/AAA%20April%202009/1-35.jpg)

:panic: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/jyarden/AAA%20April%202009/1-35.jpg)

[Hulkamaniac]

Christ. No wonder we're slipping.

[Bluemoon]

Another decent home win for us again, De Jong, Kompany, Given, SWP, Richards all playing well, Robinho needs to have a quiet word with himself at the minute.

That red card was harsh indeed but why 1 upfront Mik? You looked much better when Cisse came on.

[Lazurus]

I think the problem is that it was clearly a foul and the ref felt that if he was to give the foul he needs to give the red card; he didn't. With any kind of extra ref or video ref, even a live video ref, you could see that Fulop was going to get the ball first and thus it wasn't denying a goalscoring opportunity but live the ref couldn't tell and the lino couldn't be sure.

It's human error that the way football is reffed is rife with.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

That form table was updated before our game finished yesterday. We're now 19th with 4 points :nono:

[Melv]

I didn't realise Stoke were on as good a run as they are. They must be one of the favourites to stay up now.

[son_of_foley]

They play newcastle and blackburn at home. If they lose to Newcastle, Newcastle go above them.

[Hulkamaniac]

Another decent home win for us again, De Jong, Kompany, Given, SWP, Richards all playing well, Robinho needs to have a quiet word with himself at the minute.

That red card was harsh indeed but why 1 upfront Mik? You looked much better when Cisse came on.

Because Sbragia is too negative, which is why we'll probably only just stay up this season, he'll be relieved as manager and we'll go for someone with a bit more ambition.

[Torn]

Brentford are on Sky tonight. Lovely stuff. Last time we were on tv we lost to Barrow so I'm not that confident really.

[Winkle van Tinkle]

COME ON THE DAGGERS!!! :hyper:

[Torn]

:squint:

[Prototype16]

They play newcastle and blackburn at home. If they lose to Newcastle, Newcastle go above them.

West Brom away before that- getting an away win at last would be a big boost

Our run-in is the best of all the teams down there- we've given ourselves a great chance so hopefully we can see it home now

[da_man]

We'll be giving Stoke a taste of their own medicine. We may as well start playing in Bolton shirts. Every throw in, MGP trots over to take it and big Samba ventures forward. Any free kick around half way is never taken short, it's launched into the box.

It's pretty turgid stuff we're playing but I suppose it's a means to an end.

[Oimoi]

I've been looking at the fixtures lately. Stoke's home form is immense and their last 4 home games are all winnable so I think they'll stay up. Blackburn IIRC have a really difficult away run-in so any dropped points at home from now on could be disastrous. Portsmouth should be OK, not sure about Hull, Middlesbrough IMO are pretty much down. Then it comes down to Sunderland and Newcastle who could both go either way. If we stay up and Newcastle get relegated, it would be one of the greatest days of my life, if the reverse happens I'm giving up football forever. Seriously.

[Matt E]

Was surprised to see Rob Lee reckoned 3 wins for Newcastle would be enough, 38 seems pretty optimistic. Surely most clubs on 32+ will pick up more than 6 points from 10 games?

[Torn]

Floodlights have gone out at Daggers :lol:

[Fulham Road Supporter]

Chelsea Vs Arsenal ressies is on here

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=33390&part=sports

HT 0-0

[Simon]

See Chelsea/Spurs reserves last week FRS? CHIMBO! FRAZIER! HUDD! FRAZIER AGAIN! :D

[DavidUK]

Was surprised to see Rob Lee reckoned 3 wins for Newcastle would be enough, 38 seems pretty optimistic. Surely most clubs on 32+ will pick up more than 6 points from 10 games?

It's only 8 games, is it not?

[Torn]

Ok floodlights going out was funny now it's not so funny. This game better fucking get played.

[Fulham Road Supporter]

See Chelsea/Spurs reserves last week FRS? CHIMBO! FRAZIER! HUDD! FRAZIER AGAIN! :D

Nah, I was meant to go to the game at our gaff but was snowed off.

Our reserves are usually actually reserve players, thought the other season when I watched us v you think you only had one non reserve player (Brown).

I don't really follow them much only when their at home I'll go down or when I remember. I actually went on the streaming to watch Brentford I forgot we were playing :ashamed:

[Fulham Road Supporter]

Ahaha when I said that I didn't realise Malouda was playing

[Torn]

FFS GAME CALLED OFF BECAUSE OF FUCKING FLOODLIGHTS

Stupid fucking nonleague outfit disgusting

[Lazurus]

Nah, I was meant to go to the game at our gaff but was snowed off.

Our reserves are usually actually reserve players, thought the other season when I watched us v you think you only had one non reserve player (Brown).

I don't really follow them much only when their at home I'll go down or when I remember. I actually went on the streaming to watch Brentford I forgot we were playing :ashamed:

It's strange how football's changed into what we havce today. Of course all the players that SPurs played last week were reserve players; players who are kept in reserve. In the days of one sub that sub would normally be one of the reserves rather than one of the first XI (12 if he were). Redknapp (I assume) has decided that players who've played no part in the first team will play in the reserves; this could be a desire to win the reserves league but I suspect he just wants them to get regular football.

It's quite strange that clubs would rather have players doing nothing week in week out than playing 90 minutes at a lower level; I mean think of the good it must do for the actualy reserve players to get 90 minutes with players who have so much first team experience.

Everyone should do it... just not for Pav; stupid fucking Redknapp.

[turdpower]

Does any manager have a desire for his club to win the reserve league?

[StevieV]

Some FM mentalists do...but other than that I can't see a first team coach aiming for it.

[Lazurus]

Does any manager have a desire for his club to win the reserve league?

I highly doubt it.

[turdpower]

No need to answer me twice Laz.

;)

[Lazurus]

Erm....ok then.

[Hulkamaniac]

Any of you gaybos got a team in the women's FA cup final?

[N.E.R.F.]

Yeah...

[Hulkamaniac]

Apart from Arsenal fans.

[Lazurus]

So you're asking if any of us are Sunderland fans?

[Hulkamaniac]

Or Gaybos.

[DavidUK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEDbJd1dCmA&feature=related

I love Jeff Stelling.

[Melv]

Kammy is great.

[UK Blue]

Because Sbragia is too negative, which is why we'll probably only just stay up this season, he'll be relieved as manager and we'll go for someone with a bit more ambition.

At least you're playing Jones up on his own, someone suited to playing that role. We play Crouch alone up there and have no midfielders who actually get up and support him, meaning he ends up chasing aimless long balls all game. Crouch just doesn't have the pace or strength to play the 'Benjani role' and put defenders under pressure, as much as he tries. Kranjcar is meant to play the support striker role but just disappears every game. I honestly forget he's even playing most of the time. He'll be off in the summer and have a mediocre career in Germany or somewhere, he's vastly overrated. He does about two or three good things a season. A complete waste of time.

We should be OK now, but I'm still saddened by the negative tactics. Lining ten men along the edge of our own box against ten-man Boro was just a shocking thing to do and we got what we deserved. If it wasn't for a great save by James in the 95th minute we would have lost that game. We were punting the ball up to a plodding Crouch for the entire last half-hour, giving them the ball back every fucking time. I'm still not over that. I've never been so frustrated watching a football match in all my life. The worst thing was it was so obvious what was happening and Hart did NOTHING about it, except make a couple of negative substitutions which resulted in us playing even deeper. Madness.

In our 'Great Escape' of 05/06, we went at teams in a 4-4-2 and had a fantastic end of season, with worse players on the whole than what we have now. Teams who set up to draw usually lose. Teams who take an early one-goal lead and stop attacking almost always concede. The England team at Euro 2004 is a perfect example of that.

negative football :no:

[Hlebsfall]

Ledley King has left the England team already. What a farce that is.

[Murphy]

Good.

Clearly Capello didn't understand the situation properly. Ridiculous call-up.

[N.E.R.F.]

If the situation is like it's been described then he should definitely retire from international football, and probably professional football too. Can't train? Lazy bastard!

[Murphy]

Paul McGrath was the same for years and was fucking awesome. King's been superb for us this season and he's played a lot more this season than last.

He should officially retire from the international scene though.

[N.E.R.F.]

If he can only play once a week, then he shouldn't be in a WC squad regardless of ability because he'd only be able to play every other game - completely unfair on the rest of the squad.

And if Bent Arry is going to moan about him playing in a qualifier that rules those out for him too.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Calling him up in the first place was farcical. As an England fan it would be nice if he was capable of playing for the national team on a consistent basis, fact is he's not.

For once I actually agree completely with the melty faced crook.

[Simon]

It was an odd choice. I don't see who has benefitted from this. Presumably King is devastated, Capello is disappointed at losing a top (top) defender, Redknapp's pissed off and the England squad is minus one player.

It's common knowledge that King is physically incapable of playing more than one match a week, so why you'd include him in a squad that is playing two games in three days, with a view to a tournament that would consist of 7 games in 4 weeks, is beyond me.

Such a shame. Injury-free, he'd be at the least a genuine contender for a regular first-team spot with England, and possibly ahead of Terry IMO. It's great for us that we've been able to keep him so long, but we can only imagine what he could have achieved without the injuries. Surely a top side would have taken him off us.

[Melv]

Ledley King, even fully fit, is not better than John Terry.

[da_man]

Terry's got no pace and King has always just been a bog-standard jump and head it clear centre half.

The Woodgate of a few years ago was potentially world class but other than Ferdinand none of the other centre halves are above 'good'.

[Melv]

I reckon David Wheater's got a decent shout for an England place in a few years.

[Simon]

Na he's shite. Good at winning balls in the air, and people think he's a Vidic-style monster because he's tall and ugly, he's not actually very good.

[Gary J]

Curtis Davies and Michael Turner will be Englands future centre back partnership.

[Melv]

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr267/forhot/loll002106.gif

:lol: :heart: Zenden.

[Lawson]

And much sympathy for the guy behind him.

[MMH]

Na he's shite. Good at winning balls in the air, and people think he's a Vidic-style monster because he's tall and ugly, he's not actually very good.

hes not bad either but yeah I agree. Decent top flight pro thats about it. Is Shawcross at Stoke English? I like the look of him more.

All this talk about King, Davies, Wheater, Turner is all uselss seeing as there will be an all Everton back four soon enough :cool:

[Gary J]

Forgot about Rodwell he's looks like he is gonna be one hell of a player from what i've seen of him so far.

Saying that i thought the same about Johan Djourou when he first broke into the Arsenal team.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Djourou still could and should be a quality player. He's only 20 isn't he?

22 apparently. Still young enough to come good, plus he reckons he's a midfielder.

[Simon]

He looks like Tupac. And he always looks like he's falling asleep.

I have yet to see the fuss with Rodwell, doesn't look anything special at all from what I've seen but he's a central defender really isn't he?

[da_man]

Rodwell will be quality. His composure on the ball is unbelievable.

Still hope for Tom Huddlestone if he got his act together.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

He is a teenager, so to be playing in midfield and doing pretty well in a good team is impressive in itself.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

It bothers me a fair bit that there are players born in the 1990s now becoming established first teamers.

[Simon]

Rodwell will be quality. His composure on the ball is unbelievable.

Still hope for Tom Huddlestone if he got his act together.

In Europe Huddlestone looks unbelievable, with time on the ball his passing and vision are a massive asset.

Or, to look at it another way, he's too fat and slow for the Premier League.

[Prototype16]

Is Shawcross at Stoke English? I like the look of him more.


Yep, just been brought into the U21s again this week. He's got a great chance of playing for England in the future

[MMH]

He looks like Tupac. And he always looks like he's falling asleep.

I have yet to see the fuss with Rodwell, doesn't look anything special at all from what I've seen but he's a central defender really isn't he?

Well me neither just yet but yeah he is a centre back. he has only just turned 17 and played a couple of games usually when the squad is decimated with injuries so he doesnt even have the top players to help him out. Give him a chance like!

I didnt mean him anyway before. I meant Dan Gosling. He is a right back by trade and has a ton of potential.

Would be nice if Cappello played our 3 defenders together in the friendly for a half or something because our defence can be exceptional. Chuck Glen Johnson in at right back, he can be Phil Neville, and they are sorted.

[MMH]

It bothers me a fair bit that there are players born in the 1990s now becoming established first teamers.

I know what you mean.

Yakubu for example is younger than me (allegedly) and it really pisses me off.

Mikel Arteta is like 5 years younger than me, he is rich, talented, good looking and has a fit wife. Spanish twat.

Love him though.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Curtis Davies and Michael Turner will be Englands future centre back partnership.

I thought that about Davies, I'm quite worried about him lately though. He's been terrible since the Everton game. Seems to really need a leader next to him.

Be interesting to see how he progresses in the next few years.

[Andy]

King is a good leader, that's the reason he has so much effect on the Spurs team. They don't have many. In terms of quality and ability, he shouldn't be anywhere near Terry and Ferdinand. I think Woodgate and Carragher are both better anyway.

As for young centre backs coming through, Wheater looks bollocks, as does Taylor. I think Richards could be good, probably best on the right though. Onouha has looked absolutely class in the last few months, definitely gonna be keeping an eye on him.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I don't think Carragher's better than King. King is fucking quick and reads the game better as well. Carragher's extremely last ditch all the time.

Woodgate is good, fantastic on his day but is for me less consistent than King. I was very, very impressed by Ledley at Villa the other week. Seeing him beat Gabby over 50 yards was an eye opener.

[Gary J]

King is far better then Carragher.

Carragher is always having to make last ditch tackles usually through his own mistakes. Plus if he played for a smaller club then Liverpool he'd get penalised far more for his shirt pulling.

[Andy]

I think that's a bit harsh on Carragher. He gets remembered for his last ditch tackles a lot because he makes so many, but he is as good as they come at reading the game and positioning. He's also playing beside a very young and inexperienced centre back.

[DavidUK]

Surely if he is that good at reading the game and his position is so great then he wouldn't have to do so many last ditch tackles?

Granted, some of the challenges are him saving his team and don't stem from his mistakes. However if he read the play as well as you say then he would deal with the ones that directly involve him before the need for a last ditch tackle arises.

[son_of_foley]

:(
EMANUEL Villa has admitted he may have to leave Derby County in a bid to find first-team football.

The Argentinian striker has found his chances limited at Pride Park under manager Nigel Clough and he has not started a game since December.
Villa has made 31 appearances this season in all competitions but 16 of those have come as a substitute.
He has netted six times, four of them coming in the Carling Cup. His last goal came in that competition, in the win over Leeds United back in November.
Villa was linked with a move away from Derby during the January transfer window – 12 months after he was signed for £2m by Paul Jewell from Mexican club UAG Tecos on a three-and-a-half-year deal.
The move did not materialise but the 27-year-old’s future remains uncertain.
“I don’t know what will happen next season,” said Villa, who scored for Derby reserves in last week’s totesportcasino.com League Cup semi-final win over Grimsby Town at Alfreton Town’s Impact Arena.
“Of course, I want to play. I haven’t started for a long time but I will wait for my chance.
“Everyone wants to play. I want to play, too. But if I can’t play in this team, obviously I have to follow my career somewhere else, probably in another country – but I don’t know where.
“There are a lot of strikers here and they are all very good, so it is difficult but I am trying to get my chance.
“It’s difficult to talk now about what I am going to do next season but I want to be playing.
“I am always waiting for my chance but there is a lot of competition for places and the manager will pick the best team for each game.
“I will just keep working hard. I have done that my whole career and it is my only option at the moment.”
Villa – known as Tito – paid tribute to the Rams fans who have taken him to their hearts since he arrived from South America.
“The fans are the best thing about this club,” he said. “I love these people and I try to do my best for them.
“The most important thing is Derby County. It doesn’t matter whether Tito, Duke (Nathan Ellington) or Hulsey (Rob Hulse) are playing, the most important thing is the team.”

:cry::cry:

[JP]

It bothers me a fair bit that there are players born in the 1990s now becoming established first teamers.

It hit me when I realised I was older than Stephen Kelly.

Stephen Kelly ffs.

[son_of_foley]

I realised I've probably only got 2 years now to get spotted

[UK Blue]

Carragher is superb you dickheads. His reading of the game is fine. His style might be rugged and not as pleasing on the eye as that of a fit and in-form Woodgate or King, but it's just as effective.

He's been the main man in an impressive Liverpool defence for many years now and has been as consistent as they come. He's just unfortunate to have been in an era when England have had three other top class centre-backs ahead of him in the international pecking order.

[Andy]

He's also been playing beside two inexperienced centre backs for the last three seasons, so a lot of last ditch tackles are understandable.

[son_of_foley]

Pfft listen to you lot. We'll keep Jonny Evans and Craig Cathcart for now. See you at EURO 2012 or the one after we get a real manager

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I never said he was shit or anything, he's not as good as King though. King is class.

Anyway due to Carragher's treasonous nature he has no place in this debate.

[DavidUK]

Yeah, don't misconstrue my post as me thinking of Carragher as a bad player either.

[Gary J]

I don't know why Carragher moaned like he did about never getting a game for England. Rio , Terry , Ledley are far better central defenders. Woodgate and Sol Campbell were better options at the time as well.

One of the few things Sven did right was never giving him a game.

Not saying he's awful but he is massively over-rated by Liverpool fans and the media in general.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I don't know why Carragher moaned like he did about never getting a game for England. Rio , Terry , Ledley are far better central defenders. Woodgate and Sol Campbell were better options at the time as well.



I don't understand it either.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/484321864_47d1edd076.jpg?v=0

Presumably he'd happily sit on the bench for The Peoples Republic of Liverpool.

[DavidUK]

That really is an absolutely awful banner.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I think they want to be Barcelona.

Some tremendous reasoning here (http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/45733-were-not-english-we-scouse.html).

It's a shame Peter and/or JS aren't still about to tell us why that banner is brilliant.

[Lazurus]

I don't understand it either.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/484321864_47d1edd076.jpg?v=0

Presumably he'd happily sit on the bench for The Peoples Republic of Liverpool.

Does that mean we can disown them?

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Only the dickheads mate.

MMH gets shirty if you tar them all with the same brush ;)

[MMH]

Only the dickheads mate.

MMH gets shirty if you tar them all with the same brush ;)

I get shirty with it because most Liverpool fans aint from fucking Liverpool! :mad:

And the banner shite makes the one who are a complete embarresment.

http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/Assets/Liverpool/Client/products/L/3/0/L3063_n.jpg

Look what they have started selling in their club shop for fucks sake. Its not even marketed towards kids the fucking whoppers. :lol:

[1_Pablo_Angel]

:lol: dear oh dear

[Gary J]

I get shirty with it because most Liverpool fans aint from fucking Liverpool! :mad:


I loved what David moyes said on Goals on Sunday.

Jamie Redknapp was doing a preview of the Liverpool/Villa game and said that the whole of Liverpool was buzzing at the moment and Moyes said "well that must because of how well Everton are doing. Sweden and Denmark will be buzzing about Liverpool's form."

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Moyes is quality :yes:

[Gary J]

Indeed he is. It's a shame most people will end up hating him once he replaces Fergie.

[Torn]

http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/Assets/Liverpool/Client/products/L/3/0/L3063_n.jpg

Look what they have started selling in their club shop for fucks sake. Its not even marketed towards kids the fucking whoppers. :lol:

:rofl::rofl:

[MMH]

Indeed he is. It's a shame most people will end up hating him once he replaces Fergie.

Surely he would have to win something first to even be considered for the job.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

FA Cup?

[Gary J]

Maybe but i just think he is a younger version of Fergie.

I think he'll be Fergie's choice.

[MMH]

FA Cup?

Followed by a strong European campaign then yeah maybe.

As much as I love Moyes I dont think he is Man Utd class just yet. Personally I dont know why anyone would want that job once Ferguson retires. Its the ultimate poisoned chalice.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Yeah I'd agree with that. Depends how ambitious they are though.

O'Neil was probably one of the bookies favourites a few months ago. Funny how things change so quickly in football.

[da_man]

Sam Allardyce has released 14 stats from Saturday which prove we're not a long ball side.

The 90 minutes of football suggested otherwise however :D

http://www.rovers.co.uk/javaImages/43/13/0,,10303~5575491,00.gif

[Murphy]

Luton have sold 37,800 tickets for Wembley and Scunthorpe have sold 12,000. Many Luton fans are still trying to get tickets. The FA have deemed it necessary to segregate the rest of the seats. That means 40,000 empty seats on the day.

Fucking cunts the FA are.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Sam Allardyce has released 14 stats from Saturday which prove we're not a long ball side.

The 90 minutes of football suggested otherwise however :D



You lot not giving him stick already are you?


Luton have sold 37,800 tickets for Wembley and Scunthorpe have sold 12,000. Many Luton fans are still trying to get tickets. The FA have deemed it necessary to segregate the rest of the seats. That means 40,000 empty seats on the day.

Fucking cunts the FA are.

Heard about this, farcical. But what else would you expect from the FA?

[MMH]

Where the fuck have all these Luton fans been the past few years though?

[Torn]

Luton have sold 37,800 tickets for Wembley and Scunthorpe have sold 12,000. Many Luton fans are still trying to get tickets. The FA have deemed it necessary to segregate the rest of the seats. That means 40,000 empty seats on the day.

Fucking cunts the FA are.

:lol: what bollocks you are talking. Where are those 37,800 fans when Kenilworth Road is just over half full each home game? (Between 5k-6k fans in a stadium that can hold 10,200)

[1_Pablo_Angel]

They're not hardcore Luton fans obviously, fact remains it's surely better to have a load of day trippers there than empty seats.

[Gary J]

I don't think O'Neill would leave Villa i think he knows he is on the verge of something special.

Everton could be as well with all the youngsters coming through i just think Moyes is more likely to leave due to frustation at not having the funds to really go for it.

I hope neither of them leave to be honest and that both clubs break the monopoly of the 'sky 4'.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I don't think O'Neill would leave Villa i think he knows he is on the verge of something special. Everton could be as well with all the youngsters coming through i just Moyes is more likely to leave due to frustation at not having the funds to really go for it.

This Summer is going to be absolutely massive for us. Probably the acid test of whether MON/Randy are capable of taking us further. We need to buy some serious class in a couple of positions. There are some glaring problems with the squad. Will we keep buying honest young English triers and shoving people out of position every week? Or will we invest in some real quality players, some of whom might be *SHOCK HORROR* foreign, and get some actual depth in every position.

Much as I love him, MON's track record in the transfer market does not inspire confidence.

[Torn]

They're not hardcore Luton fans obviously, fact remains it's surely better to have a load of day trippers there than empty seats.

Maybe, but maybe these 40 thousand Luton fans suddenly coming out of the shadows should attend their own bloody home games before calling the FA 'fucking cunts' because they can't get a ticket for Wembley. Boo fucking hoo. IT ANGERS ME 1PA.

[Murphy]

:lol: what bollocks you are talking. Where are those 37,800 fans when Kenilworth Road is just over half full each home game? (Between 5k-6k fans in a stadium that can hold 10,200)

How am I talking bollocks? Just stating the facts mate.

[Torn]

The FA being fucking cunts part for one.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Maybe, but maybe these 40 thousand Luton fans suddenly coming out of the shadows should attend their own bloody home games before calling the FA 'fucking cunts' because they can't get a ticket for Wembley. Boo fucking hoo. IT ANGERS ME 1PA.

Well yeah I don't feel particularly sorry for them personally. But the basic principle of having empty seats when people want to buy them is ludicrous. You can't justify it by saying 'they're shit fans they shouldn't be allowed'.

[Murphy]

Maybe, but maybe these 40 thousand Luton fans suddenly coming out of the shadows should attend their own bloody home games before calling the FA 'fucking cunts' because they can't get a ticket for Wembley. Boo fucking hoo. IT ANGERS ME 1PA.

I have a ticket and go to home games when I can afford to.

Fact remains that the FA are fucking cunts. It's ridiculous to have 40,000 empty seats.

[Torn]

In my opinion its more ridiculous for 8 times as many fans as normally attend their home fixtures (who support a club who is in serious financial difficulty) to suddenly come out of the woodwork and complain about not being able to get a ticket. If Brentford got to Wembley and the same situation happened to us I would be livid with those 'fans'.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

It's ridiculous in the sense that most are fairly crap supporters. But if demand is there and seats are available it's more ridiculous that they will remain unsold, particularly with the FA desperate to recoup as much money as possible on the stadium.

They should be flexible enough to adjust to things like this, moving fans around such a modern stadium isn't rocket science.

[Torn]

I know 1PA. I just value the contribution of lower league fans to a clubs survival to be more important than the FA allocating people seats hence why I'm more annoyed at that.

[Bluemoon]

I get shirty with it because most Liverpool fans aint from fucking Liverpool! :mad:.

It's weird for me becuase of the Liverpool fans I know, even if it like 20 or so are all from Liverpool, but the 10 or so Everton fans I know are from Birkenhead, Warrington, Chester and Wales.

Obvioulsy though Liverpool's hardcore fans and the hardcore away fans will be Scouse, it's the home game were all the day trippers and other non-scouse fans you seen more due to Liverpool's sucess and history.

[Murphy]

Of course I'd like to see Kenilworth full to capacity every home game, but there you go.

It's hardly that bad a thing people wanting a day out at Wembley, especially as it's the cheapest opportunity to go. Hard times and all that.

[Beefy]

We took 20,000 fans to Cardiff for our first LDV final in 2004. Had that been at Wembley we'd have comfortably sold 40,000 I'm convinced. Whilst our average gate at that time was less than 5,000 most who went were casual Southend fans and that day more than any other contributed to the boost that the Club had over the next two years in which we went up two divisions, began averaging 10,000 fans in Roots Hall and beat Manchester United to make thelast eight of a major Competition for the first time. Even now we're having an indifferent season our average crowd is double what it was six or seven years ago and I don't think that would be the case had we not made that final.

[da_man]

You lot not giving him stick already are you?


Not at all.

We have been turned into Bolton. Long throws, free-kicks into the mixer. We're getting results - to deny we're a long ball team now though is potty.

Hopefully it's just a means to an end to survive and next season we'll bring in a few more players who will make us a bit more pleasing on the eye.

[son_of_foley]

Just so people are aware today is the closing of the transfer window for real in England so expect to see a few loans->perm deals going through today of the ilk of Harewood.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Thanks Marlon :happysad:

[son_of_foley]

Are you guys making a 2m loss on him then?

Blackstock might be going to forest. I would be sad to see it as he was good for us on a loan spell and I don't want to start hating him.

Healy to ipswich is a possible as well. Sbragia is fucking him around clearly.

[Torn]

I hate Blackstock at the moment because he plays for QPR so it would be nice for him to move so I don't have to hate him anymore.

I'm struggling to get tickets for Bournemouth vs Brentford this is unprecedented, I have away booking history so I phoned up the shop just now and they would only let me buy one ticket which is pointless as the main reason I'm going is because my brother lives there, so now I have to wait until Saturday when everyone with a previous booking history can buy but it still might be one per person which would be SHIT, and possibly until Monday which is general sale. And there is only 100 tickets left :(

[RFF Champ]

I'm sure you could get tickets in the Bournemouth end if you were that desperate.

[Torn]

If I have to I may resort to it. Don't really want to though I'll jump up when we score and get kicked out.

[The Rosk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7961431.stm

Felt this may aswell go in here. Click on BBC News and the TOP STORY has the referee from my Sunday League, who I have hated for years with a passion, down as committing 71 sexual offences over a period of years.

I spat everywhere when I saw his face looking back at me. Brilliant.

At least now I won't get sent off as much. He was a true cunt, wouldn't let the little things go, and was always late. Now I know why. He was probably raping.

[Melv]

THE REFEREE'S A RAPIST!

[Torn]

Just so people are aware today is the closing of the transfer window for real in England so expect to see a few loans->perm deals going through today of the ilk of Harewood.

Like SAM SODJE to Leeds what a bloody good player he is

[da_man]

WOOOO! Rovers are running free travel for our away game at Stoke.

Prototype, what are the chances of us getting aggro? Your lot have a bit of a reputation and a few of our older fans have been reminiscing about the days of the 70s and 80s when it always used to kick off at the Victoria.

[Prototype16]

We have more than our fair share of morons and I remember Fulham Road Supporter saying he didn't exactly enjoy the experience when Chelsea visited but there's never much trouble in or around the ground- nothing like the 70s and 80s obviously. I don't go near the away end so don't really see what it's like outside afterwards, but the Boro game on Saturday seemed to be the edgiest it's got this season. Any real trouble goes on in Hanley city centre which is miles away from the ground and obviously all pre-arranged

Should be good if you can fill the away area with the free travel being offered, it hasn't happened for a few games. Could be a massive game

[Hulkamaniac]

Just heard about that ref on the news...

You've been letting a black tell you what to do?

[Fulham Road Supporter]

WOOOO! Rovers are running free travel for our away game at Stoke.

Prototype, what are the chances of us getting aggro? Your lot have a bit of a reputation and a few of our older fans have been reminiscing about the days of the 70s and 80s when it always used to kick off at the Victoria.

Full of dickheads, my advice would be don't wear colours or walk with people who are, and don't drink in the harvester. Nearly got in a fight before and after the match, I wasn't wearing colours but my brothers were and me and one of them got started on because of it. They have a few fans who walk around shouting stuff till someone looks at them so they can start on them. Police are unhelpful, they tried to hurry us on not the Stoke fans causing trouble.

Glad I went, worth going to once but wouldn't go back. Partly worth going to just to hear them singing Delilah :lol: great re-wording.


We have more than our fair share of morons and I remember Fulham Road Supporter saying he didn't exactly enjoy the experience when Chelsea visited but there's never much trouble in or around the ground- nothing like the 70s and 80s obviously. I don't go near the away end so don't really see what it's like outside afterwards, but the Boro game on Saturday seemed to be the edgiest it's got this season. Any real trouble goes on in Hanley city centre which is miles away from the ground and obviously all pre-arranged

Should be good if you can fill the away area with the free travel being offered, it hasn't happened for a few games. Could be a massive game

No I fucking didn't, also your lot tried to ruck us on the North End Road after we battered you 2-1, probably about 20-30 of them, smashing glasses trying to fight whoever they could and even before the meat wagons turned up running off making gorilla noises (I believe monkey ones to be more high pitched).

Hope Stoke go down, hate their fans :yes:

[N.E.R.F.]

Noticed that Boro didn't take their full away allocation for their game with us, which made it brilliant for me to get tickets :D

My question is to Prototype. What are the chances of Stoke doing the same? Would love to be there on our last day title snatching glory :D :D

[Prototype16]

I'm sure we'll take the full allocation, I don't know how many your away end holds but the demand will be huge no matter what our league position is.

'Boro fans are used to these games now but it's still new and exciting for us

[Bluemoon]

My mate who went to the Stoke/City game said it kicked off quite bad after the game, like Protoype said it was all away from the ground.

[Lazurus]

SOCCER hero JT's mum and mother-in-law were allegedly caught loading £800-worth of stolen store goods into a car.

Sue Terry, 50, and Sue Poole, 54, were nicked and officially cautioned by cops for shoplifting clothes and food from Marks & Spencer and Tesco.

By accepting the caution, they formally acknowledged their guilt.

The incident is a huge embarrassment to Chelsea and England skipper Terry, 28, and to the FA.

Tesco is the official England supermarket and M&S supplies suits to the England squad. One of the vice-presidents for England's 2018 World Cup bid is Tesco chief executive Sir Terry Leahy.

Track suits were among the gear the women are said to have taken at the Brooklands Shopping Centre in Weybridge, Surrey.

Police were called by security staff at 3pm on Wednesday and the pair were taken to Staines police station, Middlesex.

Defender Terry earns £135,000-a-week, plus bonuses and huge sums from sponsorship deals.

His mum and mother-in-law live jet-set lives thanks to his huge wealth. They have have been flown all over the world at Terry's expense to watch him play, including at the 2006 World Cup finals in Germany.

Terry also bought both women detached houses in the exclusive street in Oxshott, Surrey, where he and wife Toni, 26, live with twins Georgie and Summer, two. The leafy drive is famously known as "Terry Street".

A source said last night: "Everyone was gobsmacked when the police realised they had arrested Terry's mum and mum-in-law.

"They're women who want for nothing, yet they were accused of taking cheap gear without paying. They seemed at a loss to explain.

"One said she had no idea why she'd taken sports gear as she didn't even like wearing the stuff. They seemed shaken up."

Another source said the women loaded their car with goods from M&S but were stopped when they went back to Tesco for more.

A source close to Terry said: "This will come as a terrible shock to John. His mum has never done anything like this before.

"It would be easier if he had the first idea why it happened."

A Surrey Police spokesman said last night: "Cautions are usually applied for more minor matters, when it is a first time offence.

"A caution represents an admission of guilt and forms part of a criminal record. Officers arrested two women aged 50 and 54, both from Oxshott, on suspicion of theft.

"This followed reports of shoplifting. The women were interviewed in custody and have been cautioned for the offences."

Terry's lawyer Angus McBride insisted the pair were entirely innocent and were victims of an "unfortunate misunderstanding".

Mr McBride said they would not have agreed to be cautioned had they realised they were admitting guilt and will be taking legal action to clear their names.

He added: "They didn't do anything wrong. They didn't have legal advice and weren't aware they were admitting guilt."

Terry has worked hard on his image in recent years but was once a notorious boozer and womaniser, reported to have had EIGHT flings behind Toni's back.

He and Chelsea team-mates were accused of drunkenly mocking US tourists after 9/11. And he was arrested over a fracas at a London nightclub in 2002 but later cleared of charges including wounding.:lol:

[Murphy]

:D

[Gangers]

Hilarious. I'd love to know what this 'unfortunate misunderstanding' is...

[Lazurus]

Hilarious. I'd love to know what this 'unfortunate misunderstanding' is...

I'd imagine they thought that they could have it for free for some reason whereas they couldn't.

[Fulham Road Supporter]

Has all the signs of a set-up.

[Torn]

Well this is hard. Skrtel is shite.

[Murphy]

Bit boring, really.

[Torn]

The sub of the sub has been subbed :lol:

SIMON COX should probably be called up now let's be honest

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Heskey injured :yes:

[Beefy]

Lads, it might have been said, and I've thought it for a while and so maybe I've even said it, but is Michael Owen to Arsenal in the summer not the perfect fit for both of them?

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Arsene Wenger isn't likely to sign a 29 year old injury prone striker who doesn't contribute an awful lot to the team's play (besides goals, obviously).

[Beefy]

No he isn't, which is why his side will struggle to finish 4th next season too.

He had Ian Wright at the tail end of his Arsenal career. Wenger should appreciate what a striker who "only" contributes goals can give, particularly to a side who clearly miss that cutting edge.

[Jay]

A crocked Owen is still a million times better than a fully fit Bendtner.

[Lazurus]

Dangerous has been called up to the England squad.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

A crocked Owen is still a million times better than a fully fit Bendtner.

Well, no, not if he isn't playing. In hindsight, the role Owen played at Real Madrid probably suited him best. He has been very unlucky with injuries at Newcastle, but possibly he belongs at a top club as a player to come off the bench and grab goals.

[Gary J]

I think Owen will end up at Everton.

[Simmo Fortyone]

Random question here, who was the name of that player who was on Soccer AM a bit for his shenanigans? I remember one in a lower league game where he swan dived over a pile of players for no particular reason. Lee someone?

[Torn]

Jimmy Bullard

[Simmo Fortyone]

That's him. Thanks :yes:

[Beefy]

I think you were half thinking of Lee Trundle too.

Simmo, I went through a load of my old PMs yesterday to clear some space and I found that one from you asking for info on my beloved Southend United. I apologise for never responding and feel bad for losing an Aussie Shrimper before we could even have one.

[Andy]

Eduardo > Owen

[Simmo Fortyone]

I think you were half thinking of Lee Trundle too.

Simmo, I went through a load of my old PMs yesterday to clear some space and I found that one from you asking for info on my beloved Southend United. I apologise for never responding and feel bad for losing an Aussie Shrimper before we could even have one.
Holy shit, that was years ago. I still follow them, but we get feck all League One coverage down here, so I keep up online where I can.

Lee Trundle - that's the one. Cheers.

[Torn]

Lee Trundle is FAT

[Keano's Magic Hat]

Eduardo > Owen

That's a big call.

A fully fit Owen is one of the best strikers in the world. He's better than Eduardo.

[turdpower]

When was the last time we had one of those?

[turdpower]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00767/carousel-news-1_767514a.jpg

Great promotion.

[Andy]

ahahaha :lol:

[Torn]

Brilliant :lol:

[UK Blue]

Just got back from watching Barrow win 3-0 at Weymouth. They should be safe from relegation now, only need another win or two. Weymouth are shit. Cliff Akurang and Gavin Hoyte were shit, but Weymouth is a nice little place.

I'm enjoying going to Barrow games - been to Burton, Woking and Weymouth in the last year, hopefully they stay up so I can go to more next season. Non-league football is cool.

[Murphy]

Ordered my tickets for the Luton game at Wembley on 16th March. Not arrived yet. The phone number on the booking sheet doesn’t exist and they don’t respond to the e-mail address that’s given either.

The ticket office phone just rings and rings. Been trying it since Thursday.

It’s no wonder they don’t sell out for matches.

[Torn]

Just got back from watching Barrow win 3-0 at Weymouth. They should be safe from relegation now, only need another win or two. Weymouth are shit. Cliff Akurang and Gavin Hoyte were shit, but Weymouth is a nice little place.

I'm enjoying going to Barrow games - been to Burton, Woking and Weymouth in the last year, hopefully they stay up so I can go to more next season. Non-league football is cool.

BARROW :(:(

Ahaha that reminds me when our fans were on Soccer AM a few weeks ago the Soccerette supported Barrow or something, and when she said that the 'audience' were like AHAHHHHAHAH and you could hear one Brentford fan going 'yeah, good team Barrow good team!' :lol:

[Andy]

I am in love with Millie Clode.

[Bad Collin]

Get in the queue buddy.

[son_of_foley]

GMH leads it though boys

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Gino's Magic Hat?

[son_of_foley]

Got my acronyms wrong its MJR - MICKIE JAMES RULES not GRIMSBYS MOST HATED

[Murphy]

Now Dangerous Darren is injured. Up steps Agbonlahor...

[son_of_foley]

James Beattie will get that bloody callup after all

[Murphy]

Or Kevin Davies.

[Torn]

Injured 5 minutes after starting training :lol: horrible luck for all of these strikers. Agbonlahor will probably get injured simply getting to the training ground.

[RFF Champ]

Or Kevin Davies.

Capello already said it wouldn't be Kevin Davies.

And I thought Agbonlahor pulled out of the U-21 squad just the other day?

[turdpower]

A few more injuries and it's destined to be Owen starting.

[Gangers]

And scoring a hat trick, of course.

[Torn]

The U21s are getting battered by France :(

[Torn]

BBC says Alan Shearer is becoming the Newcastle manager until the end of the season :eek:

[Bluemoon]

Sky Sports are saying it's been confirmed :eek:

[Fulham Road Supporter]

Why now, bit weird, and surely they rather back someone thats got some experience to keep them up, El Tel had been linked for a while, if they didn't approach him and about eight grillion other managers first their idiots.

This is just a damn popularity contest!

[Lawson]

If it means Lee Dixon gets more MOTD time then this is excellent news.

[Invi]

Messiah v2?

I bet this gives the dirty scrubs just enough belief to make it, now. Bastards.

[I refuse to job. Ever.]

If it means Lee Dixon gets more MOTD time then this is excellent news.

G'wan now, Melv

[StevieV]

I figured this was an elaborate April Fools joke...but the SS confirmation has confused me

[Romford Pele]

Ahahahahahaha. Newcastle = joke club.

[Murphy]

It is rather splendid news. :)

[Melv]

If this is anything other than a short-term thing, Shearer is an idiot.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

It STILL isn't on their official website :wtf:

And what about poor old Uncle Joe? Lying in hospital after being assured his job was safe til the end of the season, turns on the telly and sees that Shearer's taken over?

[son_of_foley]

Shearer has taken over till the end of the season. At this stage he's more a replacement for Calderwood and the other dickhead than a replacement for Kinnear

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I thought JK had specified a match he'd come back to take charge in?

Maybe not.

Also who's gonna want little Joe back if Shearer keeps them up?

[Simon]

If this is anything other than a short-term thing, Shearer is an idiot.

How is he an idiot? He can't lose now. Unless he's embarrassingly shit ie they're considerably worse than they are now, which is barely possible, he'll either be the returning hero who kept them up against all the odds, or the hero who bravely fought to keep his boyhood club up against the odds but wasn't able to because of the clowns that were in charge previously. He can't really lose.

For all that they've got Shearer in because of who he is rather than what he can do, in the short-term Newcastle will probably achieve their goal regardless of whether Shearer is any good as a manager. The new manager effect will more than likely see them put in enough hard-working performances to see them stay up and this will mask Shearer's poor management if he isn't any good. The problem for Newcastle is that in this case he'd be considered a hero and will be kept on for next season, and if he's a shit manager then next year they'll be fucked.

It's a bit of a strange one because the idea seems to be that he's the saviour who is needed to get them out of an impossible position. For my money they're still favourites to stay up and would probably have done with Hughton in charge.

[Melv]

I'd class Shearer as someone who could have a very successful management career if he plays his cards right. I don't think starting off with Newcastle and possibly adding relegation to his CV this early is a good move. He's also risking losing any chance he had of falling back on this job in the future if he fails to keep them up. He's risking his legacy at the club too.

[RFF Champ]

Nah, his legacy isn't really at risk. As Simon said, if the club do go down then it'll be the owners that get blamed and not Shearer.

[Melv]

I'm not so sure about that.

[Torn]

Turkey are beating Spain :eek: SEMIH with the goal what a player

[Torn]

CROUCH, good finish.

He did the celebration that Corden said to do :lol:

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Look what my University's football team have been doing on tour in Bulgaria...

http://international.ibox.bg/news/id_172106508

My housemate's there but apparently was not with the dickhead arrestees. I hope they get violently bum raped by Michael SHields.

[RFF Champ]

Some of them have started to untie their belts and the challenge the Bulgarians to fight.

:rofl:

nutters

[1_Pablo_Angel]

I hope their trousers fell down in comical slapstick fashion.

[RFF Champ]

It made me think of the gang fight scene from Anchorman.

[radon]

What is the point of requiring the UEFA pro licence to manage a premier league team if you can easily appoint someone who doesnt have it? Bit of a joke really.

[son_of_foley]

Premier League like thumbing their nose to UEFA

[Gangers]

Never understood it anyway, frankly. Surely it's the club's prerogative to appoint whoever they deem fit? And if someone hasn't taken their badges, that would presumably only be to the detriment of that club, so what's the problem?

Always stank of mindless red tape to me.

[son_of_foley]

It's similar to the fit and proper owner system to provide a system for diffusing puppet managers which would allow someone like Romanov absolute control of the club. At least thats my understanding

[turdpower]

What's to stop him employing a puppet manager with badges?

[son_of_foley]

Nothing. That's what he's been doing

[Gangers]

So it's red tape then.

[UK Blue]

Doesn't Shearer already have his badges?

A club could, in theory, hire whoever they wanted as manager even if they were missing the necessary badges - just give him a different job title. A DoF doesn't need a UEFA Pro License, but is still allowed to pick the team and do everything else a manager does. There must be loads of ways around this pathetic ruling.

[UK Blue]

Forgot to say, I hate to see the situation Southampton are in. They're looking in a really bad way (like we could well be in a year or two as well) and even though they're our rivals and there has been times over the years where I've HATED them (especially just after 'Arry left us to go there and I was at uni living with a scummer) I'd hate to see any club facing going out of business. The way the club has been run over the years by Rupert Lowe is disgraceful. Hopefully they will somehow find their way out of this predicament.

[Torn]

Yeah it's not a nice situation. I would still like them to get relegated so hopefully next year so we'll have an away game there and so Olly Lancashire will get more first team football, though.

[son_of_foley]

Not signing your bloke Atkins last year to try and save money to get the dutch lad in was ridiculous. Not playing saganowski to save on his bonuses was moronic as well but the protesting stay away fans sped this up. Attendances are shocking and that stadium could be the death of the club.

Maybe you could buy it off them UK Blue

[Torn]

If what they are saying with Southampton Holdings going into administration avoiding a points deduction happens, especially if the club is the main cause of this happening to the parent company, then it's harsh on clubs like Leeds, Luton, Rotherham and Bournemouth. Their fans will be livid.

[UK Blue]

Maybe you could buy it off them UK Blue

ahaha my dad said that last night actually. Move it down to Pompey brick by brick.